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NL Central Rumors: Hamilton, Holland, Grichuk, Pirates

By Steve Adams | January 17, 2018 at 5:26pm CDT

While Billy Hamilton’s name has been oft-mentioned in trade rumblings this offseason, a deal involving the Reds’ fleet-footed center fielder may not be all that likely, writes Zach Buchanan of the Cincinnati Enquirer. San Francisco’s acquisition of Andrew McCutchen doesn’t have much of an impact on the Giants’ chances of swinging a deal for Hamilton as they look to add a strong defender with their (limited) remaining financial resources. But, Buchanan reports after speaking with multiple sources, a deal was looking “unlikely” anyhow. Talks between the Giants and Reds regarding Hamilton have gone “dormant,” per Buchanan, adding that one source expects Hamilton to be in Cincinnati come Opening Day.

More from the division…

  • Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. wouldn’t comment on the chances of his team signing Greg Holland, writes Ben Frederickson of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, but DeWitt generally expressed some trepidation about the notion of spending heavily (in either dollars or prospects) to acquire a “proven” closer. “[C]losers are not guarantees,” DeWitt said. “…It’s a hard job. You go over the history of closers, and it’s not particularly guaranteed that you’re going to get longevity, which you think you’ll get out of a starting pitcher.” DeWitt did acknowledge that he’d “rather give up dollars than players” in a general sense, but DeWitt’s full comments certainly don’t convey the sense that adding a high-profile arm for the ninth-inning is a top priority.
  • Frederickson also writes that outfielder Randal Grichuk is “not thrilled” about the notion of being a reserve option in 2018, though that’ll be the case barring an injury to one of Marcell Ozuna, Tommy Pham or Dexter Fowler. Grichuk didn’t complain about his role so much as voice a desire to prove that he can still be a significant asset and factor prominently into the Cardinals’ success. “I hope they feel confident in themselves, and you don’t want anyone doubting themselves, but hopefully they know I’m there,” said the outfielder. “And if I get an opportunity, I’m going to try to make the best of it and not look back.” Frederickson’s column features quotes from roughly a half-dozen Cardinals players as well as manager Mike Matheny and DeWitt.
  • Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review runs down some potential candidates for the Pirates’ outfield — both external and internal — in the wake of the Andrew McCutchen trade. Pittsburgh will likely be on the lookout for a right fielder, with Starling Marte headed to center field and Gregory Polanco shifting to left. Austin Meadows, according to Biertempfel, will head to Triple-A to open the year regardless of how well he plays in Spring Training. (One club source indicated to Biertempfel that Meadows could “hit .900 in Spring Training” and still be ticketed for the minors.) That’s not especially surprising when considering that Meadows posted an ugly .250/.311/.359 slash in his first exposure to Triple-A last year.
  • ESPN’s Keith Law offers his opinion (subscription required and recommended) on the Pirates’ trade for McCutchen, whom he calls a “great” pickup for the Giants, given the putrid output they received from their outfield in 2017 and the low bar that McCutchen has to clear. While neither Kyle Crick nor outfield prospect Bryan Reynolds is an elite young talent, Law opines, Crick offers a potential long-term option in the bullpen and is the type of arm that can “sometimes turn to gold via the alchemy of baseball” despite his history of below-average command (a trait that he did improve in 2017). He calls Reynolds “very interesting,” adding that he considered Reynolds’ to be San Francisco’s second-best prospect at the time of the trade.
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  1. Bocephus

    7 years ago

    Hamilton doesn’t fit the Giants M.O. with only being 27.

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      #gotheeeeeeeeeeeeem

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    • astick

      7 years ago

      Lol

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    • RenoChris

      7 years ago

      Aubrey Huff, Pat Burrell, Cody Ross=3 WS championships. Your MO can EAD!!

      Reply
    • joepepitone

      7 years ago

      You’re right, Jacoby Ellsbury would be the perfect fit , if the yanks would eat 75% of his salary.

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    • sixpacktwo

      7 years ago

      The Giants go ALL in because this is their last chance before a rebuild and don’t get a reliable CF to patrol their CF. It does not help to score more runs if you are giving up more also.

      Reply
  2. timyanks

    7 years ago

    grichuk will see plenty of action

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  3. robertj53086

    7 years ago

    Dewitt is an idiot

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    • fasbal1

      7 years ago

      DeWitt is a savvy owner who along with his gm have made many great decisions, aka, Pujols, Heyward.., and many others, that’s why they have unlimited money, a high dollar closer 12 months removed from tj, would not warrant my money either…

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      • robertj53086

        7 years ago

        Oh you mean when they offered Hayward more money than the Cubs and he thankfully turned them down?

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        • goob

          7 years ago

          Reminds me of when my Giants offered the Panda about
          the same $ that the Red Sox did – but he chose Boston anyway. Sometimes it’s better to be lucky, than good!

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        • fasbal1

          7 years ago

          you win, you get Heyward for another bunch of years

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          Actually, Heywards contract with all the opt-outs is bigger with the Cubs than what the Cards offered! Get a clue!

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      • Kane U.

        7 years ago

        Cards offered Heyward more many then the Cubs. Thank god he didn’t take it. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

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        • Polymath

          7 years ago

          Counting and valuing opt-outs properly, the Cubs offered more than the Cards. Heyward took the more lucrative deal.

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          Exactly ! You don’t know what you’re talking about!

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    • cards81

      7 years ago

      One of the most successful owners in baseball….ok

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    • Geebs

      7 years ago

      As shown by his success

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      • jeremyr

        7 years ago

        DeWitt’s only success came when they had Pujols, the best hitter in baseball at the time.

        Since Albert left, the team has steadily gotten worse.

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        • dfinmozarks

          7 years ago

          ?????
          Albert left us for the Angels 6 years ago. 3 years ago we won 100 games and the central division. How many division titles have the Angels won with Albert?

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    • greategret

      7 years ago

      He’s a Dwittiot!

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    • bastros88

      7 years ago

      Blake Dewitt, former third baseman, is no idiot, kind gent.

      Reply
  4. jth986

    7 years ago

    Holland’s projected salary is 3/39 add a mutual option for a fourth year and let’s get it done and over with, Dewitt! We got money to spend without a heavy need anywhere else. Get it done!

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    • GarryHarris

      7 years ago

      “We got money to spend…” I’ll let that statement speak for itself.

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      • dirtydan

        7 years ago

        Cool

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    • CardsNation5

      7 years ago

      You must’ve forgot about the disastrous 2nd half of the season that Holland had last season. I would pass to

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      • Edgar Gomez

        7 years ago

        His disastrous second half numbers came in a span of 5 or 6 games in August. So if you take away 5 games in the second half he wouldve probably had an era under 2.00. He wasnt bad all throughout the second half.

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    • tomabsolon

      7 years ago

      I truly could not agree more…. It has to be done, it needs to get done. The Cardinals now have more money than ever and we truly need a legit Closer…. Don’t want to hear about can’t bank on Closers or the money they will cost. Spend the damn money Dewitt!

      Reply
  5. justin-turner overdrive

    7 years ago

    Grichuk should be on the Oakland A’s, who don’t really have a LF right now and have an uncertain duo in CF.

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  6. justin-turner overdrive

    7 years ago

    Starling Marte is 29 this year, no way do the Pirates keep him if they are going to sell.

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    • Paul Heyman

      7 years ago

      Right but who wants someone who tested positive for ped’s? But in a way I do think he’d make a decent addition somewhere else.

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      • justin-turner overdrive

        7 years ago

        The M’s literally just traded FOR Dee Gordon.

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        • nymetsking

          7 years ago

          literally just now?

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        • matthew102402

          7 years ago

          Sterling Marte, busted for PED’S 2017: .712 OPS.
          Dee Gordon, busted for PED’S 2016, hits .300, 203 hits, 60 stolen bases in 2017.

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      • Solaris601

        7 years ago

        Nelson Cruz was suspended for PEDs several years ago, and he’s been raking ever since. It’s not a death sentence.

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      • redsfan48

        7 years ago

        It’s not the PED history that makes teams not want him. It’s the fact that he’s yet to prove he can still hit without the PEDs.

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      • natelowda2

        7 years ago

        The cardinals went and got Peralta a year after he got off of his suspension.

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    • Bocephus

      7 years ago

      Who do you suggest would want him with his PED history?

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      • justin-turner overdrive

        7 years ago

        No one cares about PED history, just some misguided fans who swallow ESPNs version of baseball. The Mariners just traded for Dee Gordon.

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        • Bocephus

          7 years ago

          What does ESPN’ version of baseball have to do with anything?

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        • dfinmozarks

          7 years ago

          Sadly, you are wrong and right. Teams want to win and there’s no way they didn’t know about the rampant PEDs abuse. But that “win at any cost” is wrong in sports as in everything else. It ruins honestly achieved records and MLB is more aware of stats than most sports.

          Just because a bunch of younger writers are willing to swallow their pride and vote for cheaters to get them in the HOF should not make teams want to hire them. How many of the 1919 Black Sox made it to the HOF? I wish MLB would just once and for all take a stand like Judge Landis did after that 1919 scandal and ban the cheats from the game for life. If it can be proven that owners or F.O. staff or trainers were in on it, ban them from the game for life as well. That would go farther to cleaning up our game than any of the half measures taken to date.

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      • jdgoat

        7 years ago

        Clubs who’ve signed or traded for guys with a PED history:
        Mariners
        Blue Jays
        White Sox
        Orioles
        Padres
        Royals
        Twins
        Braves
        Mets
        Dodgers
        Cardinals
        Indians
        Astros
        Pirates
        Marlins
        I’m probably missing some teams but each one of them have acquired at least one PED guy since 2010

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          No doubt someone will take Marte. Pirates are going to wait until he bounces back though there’s no reason for them to sell him low coming off a down and PED suspension year.

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          How about ALL of the teams have done it!

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    • bobveale

      7 years ago

      He has a team friendly contract that runs through 2020 or 21. He won’t be traded.

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      • justin-turner overdrive

        7 years ago

        @bobveale That’s why he will be traded.

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  7. Monkey’s Uncle

    7 years ago

    It’s almost certainly not going to happen because they are divisional rivals who don’t like each other much at all… but the Pirates are looking for an outfielder, and Randal Grichuk possibly wants to go somewhere where he can start. I’m not sure that Grichuk is exactly what the Bucs want or need, but they don’t exactly have many internal options for RF either.

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    • fasbal1

      7 years ago

      they have meadows, marte, and polanco

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      • sidewinder11

        7 years ago

        The article clearly stated that Meadows is starting the year in AAA

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    • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

      7 years ago

      Unless they get Nimmo (or some other OF) in a Harrison deal, I’d like to see them wait out the market and then sign a FA outfielder on the cheap.

      If he’s good and Meadows isn’t ready, they can keep him. If he’s good and Meadows is ready, they can trade him at the deadline and get something. If he’s bad, he can go the way of Phil Gosselin.

      I’d like to see Carlos Gonzalez fall to them (and Hurdle) on a cheap deal.

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      • sidewinder11

        7 years ago

        CarGo actually makes a ton of sense for Pittsburgh as a bridge between now and whenever Meadows is ready.

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        • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

          7 years ago

          It doesn’t have to be him, I just think he’s going to be one of the last guys to find a job among the FA OF’ers and has history with Hurdle.

          Carlos Gomez would be good. Lots of guys would be worth a flier. If they pan out, it’s a free trade chip.

          Or maybe, if they are a really good fit, they could be resigned and one of Polanco or Marte could be traded.

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    • timtim007

      7 years ago

      The Cardinals and Pirates may be division rivals, but they also have alot of respect for one another also. Unlike the rivalry between the Cards/Cubs. There is some hatred there with the fans, not necessarily between the players.

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    • dcahen

      7 years ago

      Unless Harrison is traded, Adam Frazier can, has, & probably will play LF with Polanco in RF

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    • brucewayne

      7 years ago

      I think Grichuk would be the perfect fit for the Giants

      Reply
  8. Yankeepatriot

    7 years ago

    Hamelton doesn’t fit the Giants because he isn’t good at baseball

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    • astick

      7 years ago

      You’re not good at spelling, Ace.

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      • Big Poison

        7 years ago

        Cameltoe

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  9. tbone0816

    7 years ago

    Grichuk should just be Happy he has a job. I still wouldn’t be surprised if he may get traded in a package.

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  10. braves25

    7 years ago

    I would be ok with the Braves trading for Grichuk!

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  11. JFactor

    7 years ago

    Grichuk for Brach

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    • Jbigz12

      7 years ago

      Lol. Grichuk for Miguel Castro if you’re lucky.

      Reply
  12. sixpacktwo

    7 years ago

    The Giants go ALL in because this is their last chance before a rebuild and don’t get a reliable CF to patrol their CF. It does not help to score more runs if you are giving up more also.

    Reply

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