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MLBTR Poll: When Will Greg Holland Sign?

By Jeff Todd | March 27, 2018 at 8:48am CDT

We’ve already seen most of the backlog of high-profile free agents clear out late in camp. But one familiar name remains available: closer Greg Holland, whom we profiled in full back in January. Despite some uncertainties, he was and is quite an accomplished reliever who seemed worthy of a rather large and lengthy contract.

Though it seemed at one point he’d return to the Rockies, and reportedly had a $50MM-or-so offer on the table, Holland’s market has gone dark of late. Over the past month or so, teams such as the Braves, Diamondbacks, Cardinals, and Rangers have been tied loosely to Holland. The Cards seem to be the most obvious match on paper, as a contender with a fairly hefty budget and an unresolved closing situation. But they haven’t yet emerged as a strong pursuer.

On the whole, there’s simply no indication that any of those organizations, or any others, are hot after the veteran righty — let alone willing to make him a significant, multi-year commitment. True, it’s still anyone’s guess what kind of contract Holland will secure. (Remember that Alex Cobb did still score a long-term pact after the similarly placed Lance Lynn did not.)  But the smart money may now be on some kind of creative, one or two-year arrangement not unlike the one he signed last winter when coming off of Tommy John surgery.

Rather than thinking about what Holland will get, though, today’s poll will focus on when he’ll finally put pen to paper.

At this point, there’s no chance that Holland will be on an Opening Day roster. Presumably, though, he’s pitching on his own and wouldn’t require a terribly lengthy window to reach MLB readiness. Perhaps, then, it’s still sensible to believe that he’ll come to agreement in relatively short order and be prepared to pitch for nearly all of the coming season.

In theory, a signing could come in the next few days. Waiting until after the start of the season to sign once was once a strategically meaningful consideration, but is not of ongoing consequence now that repeat qualifying offers have been outlawed as part of the new CBA’s tweaks to the QO system.

Of course, waiting until the season is underway might still hold some appeal for other reasons. There could certainly be some merit to waiting to see how closer situations shape up around the game. Turnover in the ninth inning is hardly a new thing, but it’s not often that a ready-made solution is standing by to be signed whenever the need arises. Organizations that face early-season crises, whether due to injury or performance, would then have an intriguing alternative in Holland.

The question, then, would become whether Holland will wait until after the June draft to ink a new contract. That was the approach taken by fellow Scott Boras clients Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew, who agreed to partial-season deals in 2014 after the draft compensation attached to their signings had dissipated. As a high-leverage reliever, Holland might be even better situated for this approach. Though he wouldn’t be marketing a full season of output, he might still earn well since he’d be valued most for his contributions down the stretch and into a hypothetical postseason run.

So, when do you think Holland will end up finally choosing his new club? (Link for app users.)

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  1. fasbal1

    7 years ago

    Holland will sign in next 3 weeks, once teams realize how poor their bullpens are and how important it is to have someone who can close out games.

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    • barrybonds1994

      7 years ago

      Greg, is that you??

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    • toby312

      7 years ago

      No it’s me Scott Borass

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  2. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    7 years ago

    At this point, he might as well wait until after the draft. Not having a draft pick attached to him will help him.

    A team that doesn’t like the asking prices in trade deadline talks will likely be open to offering just money instead of assets for a guy like Holland.

    Still not sure what he or his super agent were thinking in turning down the Rockies’ offer.

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    • Mikel Grady

      7 years ago

      Does it work that way? I thought when he signs team will lose pick. If not this year’s draft then next?

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      • Aaron Sapoznik

        7 years ago

        No. If Holland does not sign before this June’s Rule 4 Draft the qualifying offer and resulting forfeiture of applicable compensation become null and void. There is no carryover with the draft compensation and Holland cannot be tagged with a QO again under provisions of the new CBA.

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      • brucewayne

        7 years ago

        Not if he signs after June 1st . I believe is the date!

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  3. mpkgolf99

    7 years ago

    Angels knocking pls

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    • angelsfan4life

      7 years ago

      That is what I am hoping for

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  4. xabial

    7 years ago

    Boras will wait until after the draft and he will sign for the prorated version of $17.4MM QO. That’s the worst case scenario.

    More likely though, he signs within the first month. I don’t think it’ll be prorated, if he signs within 1st month

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  5. Kayrall

    7 years ago

    Where is the option for never?

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    • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

      7 years ago

      I was wondering the same. I think he’ll sign (early in the season), but I’d be interested to see how many don’t think he’ll sign at all this season.

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      As much as people want it to happen… Closers will start to fail. Teams will start getting desperate. Biggest question will be.. Does he sign more than one- year?

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    • oaksbossko

      7 years ago

      That’s what happened with Jermaine Dye. He wanted a multi year contract and didn’t get it, so he decided to retire.

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  6. WildeThing

    7 years ago

    Unfortunately for Holland, greed got in the way. He received a nice offer from a highly competitive team and turned it down. This left most ballclubs scared of his demands and they ran for the hills. It didn’t help him that most teams were securing closing pitchers last year. It further hurt him that the main rival in FA: Davis snatched any chance he had at apologizing to the Rox.

    What’s he really worth? Obviously not what he is asking. Good luck to him, but I think he goes more than 2 months without a contract. Hell, Papelbon might sign before him.

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  7. sufferforsnakes

    7 years ago

    Uh, when he gets an offer to his liking?

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  8. bshort7

    7 years ago

    Cardinals will sign him by the end of the week.

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    • fasbal1

      7 years ago

      Maybe, but Sunny Leones brother is looking pretty good right now

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    • Friendofthefeather

      7 years ago

      No way that happens zero chance, zip, zilch zero, Nada.. have you seen Hicks? Hudson? Helsey? All better than Holland and cheap.. Reyes? Waino probably ends up in the pen as well.. pitching is one thing the cardinals do not need that and OF and after this spring it looks like middle inf looks good in the future too and that’s without Perez developing.. this team is really really deep at the bigs down to aa. That Memphis squad and Springfield squad look to be loaded with talent.. that Memphis team could beat a lot of big league squads! People always hate on the cardinals but this team is built and set up to win for years.. with cost certainty in a lot of places and not much money tied up past 2020. Would you rather they sell the farm like the cubs and shorten their window? Spend money that ends up biting them in the rear when someone like Holland fails?

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      • michaelw

        7 years ago

        Believe Friend of a feather believe. Lol

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        • Friendofthefeather

          7 years ago

          Wait till cards have 7-8 guys in top 100 prospect rankings wait till they are a top 5 farm.. it’s not unknown that the cards have talent coming at all levels.. how many top 100 guys has Theo wasted leading to another ws drought instead of the cubs being loaded and reloaded for years?

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          It’s called reality

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      • ReverieDays

        7 years ago

        “Hicks? Hudson? Helsey? All better than Holland” Haha, uhhh, no.

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        • Friendofthefeather

          7 years ago

          Holland is projected for a 1 war or less season by everyone.. I’ll take those three and Reyes at 500K any day and if you wouldn’t then you’re not keeping up with how the game you love is changing

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    • michaelw

      7 years ago

      Fat Mo too cheap and spending Card fans money on new wheels for his Ferarri while brain washing Card fans were ok.

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      • brucewayne

        7 years ago

        Huh? Are the meds not working right today MW? ORDERLIES!

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  9. xabial

    7 years ago

    I feel like a multi-year deal for this guy will turn out to be like B.J. Ryan’s 5-year $47 million, signed Nov. 25 2005.

    How about a little blast from the past?

    mlbtraderumors.com/2005/11/bj-ryan-signs-w.html

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    • Bocephus

      7 years ago

      More important is there an article you don’t muck up?

      Reply
      • xabial

        7 years ago

        I don’t know.. I was surprised I found it. I was surprised mlbtr went that far back tbh. It was kind of cool to read.

        I usually post articles, to cite my sources, and they’re usually much more recent.

        I happened to stumble upon this, and thought it would be cool to post. Few—if any— go back that far! It was amazing. Even the daily news link, in that article was a dead link. Mlbtr outlasted Dailynews article Lol

        I don’t understand the problem?

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        • Bocephus

          7 years ago

          One word Bro…Redundancy

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Five words: Thanks for your polite criticism.

          This might sound redundant, but I thought it was cool, and totally stumbled upon it, by accident. I was double checking the $$$, because was long time ago. I feel like mlbtr archives Goes back to when internet was invented and it’s a credit to Tim, his wonderful staff.

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Tbh,.. I was hoping to ignite a debate about how the top FA relief pitcher 10+ years ago, got more dollars, than Holland probably will, in addition pointing out, I’m very bearish on Holland living up to any multi-year deal, due to his age, and his 2nd half. Thanks again for the courteous explanation.

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        • Aaron Sapoznik

          7 years ago

          xabial: Thanks, always appreciate a good debate. Speaking of which, I wish fans would quit with the Holland 2nd half bashing. Fact is, he had 5 brutal outings in the month of August after cutting the index finger on his right throwing hand in a kitchen accident. He never went on the disabled list but it’s not hard to imagine it might have affected his performance for a time. Holland was also pitching in his first full season following late 2015 TJ surgery and might have hit the proverbial wall in August. As it was, Holland had a strong July and September before giving up a couple of runs in the 2017 NL wild card game in a non-save situation.

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  10. HalosHeavenJJ

    7 years ago

    He’s waiting for an injury or utter failure by a contender’s bullpen. Give it a month or two and at least one of those scenarios happen.

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  11. Phillies2017

    7 years ago

    That second half and injury history would scare me off from paying much.

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  12. SashaBanksFan

    7 years ago

    Angels pick up the phone please

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  13. leprechaun

    7 years ago

    He should fire Boras immediately

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    • CursedRangers

      7 years ago

      Dilly! Dilly!

      Reply
  14. Danthemilwfan

    7 years ago

    Someone who doesn’t need him will sign him to take them from a very good bullpen to a great bullpen. I’d love the Brewers to sign him. That can help us transition Hader to starter finally

    Reply
  15. bbatardo

    7 years ago

    So we know he reject QO, but I am curious what other offers he had on the table. I assume he has been working out, but how important are Spring games for relievers to get in the groove?

    Unless a 1 year deal seems like he could be a heavy risk for a team.

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  16. roadapple

    7 years ago

    The Cubs will realize they signed someone they can’t count on for saves or durability(Morrow) and will pull the trigger once he implodes as closer.

    Enter Greg Holland.

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      7 years ago

      For the right price, the Cubs would be wise to take a flyer on Greg Holland regardless of Brandon Morrows effectiveness in the closer role early in the season. It’s the postseason they ought to be most concerned with and where Holland had excelled with the Royals in 2014 as they advanced to their first of two consecutive World Series appearances.

      Signing Holland as the closer would give the Cubs the best bullpen in the NL and perhaps all of baseball with Morrow shifting back to his accustomed role as an 8th inning setup man joining other righty power arms like Steve Cishek, Pedro Strop and Carl Edwards along with southpaws Mike Montgomery and Brian Duensing.

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      • michaelw

        7 years ago

        I agree Aaron. I just don’t think they can get him cheap. Even a 2 year back loaded with an opt out the 2nd year. Which would be a dream signing. It’s the Lux tax that I think is the issue. The best the Cubs could go is 13 mil and that pushing the limit.

        If you did a 2 year 18 million doing 8 the first year then it’s possible and I would jump on it. The pen pretty strong now and I think Theo will see how the first month goes.

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        • Aaron Sapoznik

          7 years ago

          Treading into luxury tax waters would seem to be the primary concern with signing Holland. The draft compensation of losing a second round pick and some international spending money would be more than offset with the Cubs gaining two compensatory picks when Wade Davis and Jake Arrieta signed elsewhere this offseason.

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      • Solaris601

        7 years ago

        I totally agree. Cubs bullpen as it is currently is OK, but OK isn’t gonna cut it in the playoffs. I don’t know if the plan is to acquire a closer during the season, but the Cubs will definitely need another late innings arm or two at some point. Sign Holland now, and all they’re surrendering is money and a draft pick.

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      • brucewayne

        7 years ago

        Even with Holland, the Cubs BP would still be lucky to break the top ten of MLB !

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  17. mike156

    7 years ago

    Right after the draft. Even if a contending team were to lose a closer, in this day and age, with well-stocked bullpens, teams can trying closing by committee. After he can sign without the loss of pick, then possibly up to a pro-rated QO value, with maybe an option for a second year.

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  18. driftcat28 2

    7 years ago

    I don’t care where he signs, just hope he does so soon. I was able to steal him in my fantasy draft for $1 as no one else bid on him

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  19. Aaron Sapoznik

    7 years ago

    Signing Greg Holland after the start of the season AND following the commencement of the Rule 4 Draft could be a “strategically meaningful consideration” for teams in need of a closer, especially one like the Braves or Rangers who are on the fringe of contending this year. Holland sheds the compensatory pick attached to him when his qualifying offer expires on June 4th.

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  20. andrey c.

    7 years ago

    Teams lose five hundred thousand or 1 million dollars of International bonus money for signing a QO player. How would that be affected after July?

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  21. astros_fan_84

    7 years ago

    He declined noticeably in the 2nd half last year, so waiting could improve his postseason performance.

    I think all the top teams will wait till after the draft. A frustrated owner may force the issue if a team blows a few saves early in the year.

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  22. Will Jl.

    7 years ago

    I wish Holland was the type of guy that would sign just a one year contract for say only $8 million.
    That would be the best case scenario for the Cubs!

    But that’s not gonna happen.

    Reply
  23. Cardinals17

    7 years ago

    Boras screwed up on this one!!! As he has on several others in the past 2 years. If Holland changes agents, then Holland signs!! Top brass in MLB are tired of Boras, his boasting, and his hard line deals which don’t match the metrics system approach.

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