The Marlins have put a very high price on J.T. Realmuto in trade talks, which isn’t surprising given Realmuto’s status as arguably the best catcher in baseball. Since Realmuto may never be as valuable as he is now, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (subscription required) argues that Miami needs to swing a deal this winter rather than risk the chance that Realmuto is injured or has a downturn in production in 2019. Some rival teams feel that Realmuto will still be a Marlin on Opening Day since the team is simply asking for too much in return, possibly due to a feeling that they didn’t get enough back in last winter’s trades of Christian Yelich, Marcell Ozuna, and Giancarlo Stanton. Olney observes that the Nationals already made a quick pivot to another catcher in Kurt Suzuki, which could be a sign that other teams engaged in the Realmuto talks might also explore alternatives unless Miami lowers its demands.
More from around the baseball world as we wrap up Thanksgiving…
- With the trades of Mike Zunino and James Paxton, the Mariners have indicated that they plan to “step back” in 2019, as GM Jerry Dipoto told the Seattle Times’ Ryan Divish and other reporters. Divish explores what this strategy could mean for the rest of the Mariners’ offseason plans, particularly since Dipoto indicated the desire for a pretty quick turnaround, with the M’s theoretically ready to contend again as early as 2020. This means that longer-term pieces like Mitch Haniger, Edwin Diaz, and Marco Gonzales are less likely to be traded, as Dipoto “would have to be blown away to move players like that,” the GM said, though “we are going to stay open-minded to anything with a general ’never say never.’ “
- An alternative to this partial Mariners selloff is proposed by Buster Olney, who argues in another subscription-only piece that the M’s should go into a full-blown fire sale, a la the complete teardowns the Cubs and Astros underwent to rebuild their franchises into World Series winners. Under Olney’s plan, everyone on Seattle’s roster would be available — he suggests Haniger could be shopped to teams that miss out on Bryce Harper, while an elite closer like Diaz has limited value on a team that isn’t preparing to immediately contend.
- The Mariners and Padres discussed a trade scenario that would’ve seen Jean Segura and Mike Leake go to San Diego with Wil Myers coming back to Seattle, though Divish hears from sources that the negotiations took place over two weeks ago and don’t appear to be ongoing. From San Diego’s perspective, MLB.com’s AJ Cassavell looks at the pros and cons of trading Myers, who is the most experienced and productive (and expensive) member of the crowded Padres outfield.
- Former big leaguers Roger Bernadina and Pat Dean won’t be returning to the Korea Baseball Organization’s Kia Tigers next season, according to a Yonhap News report, as the Tigers are reportedly looking to get younger. Jeremy Hazelbaker and Jacob Turner were both recently signed by the Tigers to fill the international player roster slots formerly occupied by Bernadina and Dean. Last appearing in MLB in 2014, Bernadina has performed very well in two seasons in the KBO, so it would stand to reason that he would consider signing with another Korean team if he isn’t interested in exploring a return to North American baseball.
Here, Bernadina is likely a 4th outfielder. And Dean was more promising than Donn Roach, who was great in AAA and eh in the NPB after a dismal season in the KBO.
I think at some point the friars may need to start thinking about paying some money left on Myers contract in order to get a decent return.
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Why apparently theyre talking about Wil myers for jean segura and Mike Leake straight up.
I mean if that’s what talks are- Wil myers for a long term asset locked in to a decent contract and a short term ok bad contract why offer money.
That’s not a straight up trade lol. There would be prospects coming back to Seattle w Myers 100%. Leake and cash for Myers is a more realistic trade.
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Link? Cause all we have so far is myers for segura and leake being discussed with no indication prospects are heading back from either side 0r money being involved.
Using information available thats what the Ms supposedly set the price of myers at
Myers for Segura and Leake will never happen. Segura is one of the best shortstops in the game. Myers is replacement level.
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“The Mariners and Padres discussed a trade scenario that would’ve seen Jean Segura and Mike Leake go to San Diego with Wil Myers coming back to Seattle, though Divish hears from sources that the negotiations took place over two weeks ago and don’t appear to be ongoing”.
Pulled straight from the article. No mention of money changing hands or prospects. If anything segura or Leake probably didnt wave their no trade which unless both do a trade doesnt happen.
Leake is replacement level those 6 ks per 9 aint hard to find, Myers was injured and plays on basically a AAA team. He and Hos will turn it around
You don’t need to be a insider nor a GM to know there is lots more to a Myers to Seattle deal. Seattle is trying to shed salary not trade a valuable asset for a guy at his lowest trade value who’s due a ton of money. Doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
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“Seattle is trying to shed salary”
Yes that’s the whole point of including Leake in the deal.
Segura and Leake make a combined 31 mill in 2019. Myers is gonna make 5.5. That’s net savings of 25.5 mill in 2019
Segura and Leake mike a combined 30 mill in 2020. Wil Myers makes 22 mill. That’s a net savings of 8 mill.
Padres adding prospects to the deal doesnt save Seattle any cash whatsoever. With or without prospects theyd save what theyre gonna save in 2019 and 2020.
What exactly do you think is happening in these netotiations?
“Myers is replacement level.”
Not according to WAR. You know, the source of the word “replacement“ in this context.
Stop with the WAR nonsense
Myers was a 2.5-win player last year in half a season. He’s not great but he’s much better than replacement level. His biggest problem is that he can only stay healthy when he’s playing first (or, presumably, DH) and the Padres have an immovable object (and worse player) occupying first for the foreseeable future. I think Myers for Leake and Segura would have to definitely include some prospects from SD and a bit of cash from Seattle but, as this article notes, it seems like that conversation is dead right now. Leake for Myers straight up might be more reasonable, although that would be a bit lopsided in the M’s favor.
I bet some of these stat freaks can convince themselves that players like Ty Cobb or Pete Rose somehow actually stunk.
Hmm? What do you mean? Ty Cobb is listed by noted “stat freak” Jay Jaffe as the 2nd best center fielder of all time and WAR calls Cobb the 6th best overall player of all time.
Rose gets knocked down a lot in both JAWS and WAR because of his bad defense and the many, many years at the end of his career he was an awful player but didn’t retire because he was trying to break Cobb’s hits record. Still, Rose is 64th all-time in WAR. He’s not in the Hall obviously because of his gambling stuff, but this notion that “stat freaks” can’t appreciate good players is absurd.
As great as Cobb was, btw, I think it is quite fair to note that he played a very different kind of baseball than what we know and he never had to play against any brown or black players.
Great break down, and I like how you pointed out that Cobb played when the aspects of the game were a lot different compared to now. Many people seem to never take that into account. It’s interesting to see how players from Dead Ball era played the game compared to now.
But be careful, you might end up making the Yankee-Red Sox hypocrite’s brain explode.
Salary notwithstanding……trading Segura would take a lot more than Meyers straight up and if you threw in a pitcher like Leake, who may not be elite it makes that trade scenario even more lopsided in the Padres favor than before….don’t think Seattle is that stupid to take on Meyers without substantial assets coming back along with him in this scenario.
Ty Cobb would definitely be a analytical darling. He was an On base machine who stole a ton of bases. I do remember looking at Harmon Killebrew’s B-Ref page a little while ago and seeing that they only gave him something like 60 WAR. He mainly played 1st and the corner OF spots with some 3rd early in his career. No way he would sniff the Hall with today’s analytics providing a stat like WAR and so many using it like it is some sort of baseball bible to determine a players value. Killebrew provided similar peak stats to Teixeira (according to WAR) but I doubt there are many people that would choose Teixeira over him for their team.
Teixeira was better, for sure. But they were both really good players. Killebrew couldn’t play defense anywhere which hurt him greatly, especially in the pre-DH era. One of the weird things that all of these anti-analytics people always return to is this bizarre notion that defense just doesn’t matter. It’s quite strange; I mean, a run saved is as good as a run created, but the dinosaur thinking just somehow can’t wrap its head around the idea that defense matters.
I think the Padres keep Myers and move Reyes or Renfroe if it comes to that.
Nobody want Myers and his contract ,why did padres sign him to this contract. He is bad defense player in outfield, 3rd and first. He need to be DH in American league. There is no way Seattle want him any that contract
I would say the initial story would refute that. Myers actually was a good defender at 1B, was considered for a GG. He regressed there his second season but showed he was more than capable at the position. He was a above average fielder in LF last year too.
M’s do need a LF and possibly a 1B.
But including Segura in the trade is too much of a price, Leake would make sense though.
Can trade Segura to a team that needs a SS badly. Yankees have Didi out for part of 2019 so they could make sense.
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Lol get younger. Lol hazelbakers 31. I mean common you can go younger than that.
It’s almost like complete teardowns don’t automatically have the success like the Cubs and Astros. And it’s very bad business to give a 18 year playoff drought organization a complete teardown and not make the playoffs for 4+ years.
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I wouldnt call it a complete tear down.
I do think the Ms should trade Diaz and Colome for best packages they can get. But overall the “core” in in tact.
Seager at 3B- Segura SS- Gordon 2B- Cano 1B. VOGELBACH HEALY DH. And you just need another OF with Smith and hanger.
If the Ms are interested in Myers maybe asking about RP too padres have a plethora of them.
Or maybe signing Brantley mccutchen or another OF and some pen arms.
I don’t think the Mariners would be comfortable rolling with Healy and Volgelbach at DH, even though they aren’t going to be competitive next year that’s two roster spots for a position that doesn’t need it.
dip dip just got that trade bug again.
I think the Mariners are playing possum and will be a surprise playoff team next year. Paxton was a great deal, considering how overrated he is. Cano could become a great 1B even this late in his career because those PEDs will have a lingering positive effect that will help stave off age while fueling a smooth position change. Gordon and Segura are good, borderline great. They just need two surprise pitchers and one surprise bat and they’re a wild card team, a la 18 As and 17 Twins.
I don’t think you understand how PEDs work, especially the ones that Cano was suspended for (diuretics, which help mostly with weight loss). Paxton is a terrific pitcher, probably correctly rated and the package the Ms received was pretty darn good.
Diuretics are banned more so because they are masking agents that are used to cover up the use of an actual PED. I doubt the MLB cares much about players cutting weight, while in other sports it certainly would be a concern (eg. wrestling) Its the same as Manny getting busted for a female fertility drug back with the dodgers.
But diuretics don’t keep working for months and months after they are stopped being used, which is what the poster was somehow implying.
Most of these players use PEDs to recover more than anything. Arod is a good example of what happens when you stop. You start looking your age. The PEDs won’t help him a year later.
Did you just call Dee Gordon good, borderline great?!?!?! And how is Paxton overrated? Injury prone, yes. Overrated? Yeah, you’re going to have to show me proof of that.
Dee Gordon, with his historically-worst walk rate in 2018? He’s not good. AT all.
A GG/All Star infielder who averaged nearly 50 swiped bags, avg 308. hitter 3 years prior to the M’s picked him up, and one of the fastest position players in the league. That describes a pretty good player to me. He was injured half of the season last year, and bounced back and fourth through several different positions. He’ll have a bounce back year this year.
Gordon might put up a 308 BA but in his case that’s what it has to be for him to be decent. He has no punch in his bat and he doesn’t walk. OBP is definitely a bit overrated by the average commenter on this site but in Gordon’s case it is not. He is a singles hitter who does not walk. A walk would actually be just as good as a hit for him and he does not do that. He’s owed more money than he’s truly worth and the M’s really don’t have a spot for him. It was a bad deal from the beginning
I’d trade Edwin Diaz. Trade him at a high because you never know if these pitchers arms will last. Maybe at trade deadline when clubs get desperate for bullpen help.
I agree. Diaz would get a fat return for just being a closer. We could find another closer in our farm that’ll be ready by the contention window. I don’t think we should trade Haniger or Gonzales though.
DisssssAaagree!! Keep on trading the overrated guys likePaxton and then go get two unproven flame throwers to serve as setup guys. Give opponents six innings to try to beat you and then win enough for that second wild card.
Uhhhh…A’s already showed that that strategy doesn’t work.
Just make the playoffs, that’s the bar for success in Seattle
Myers contract,injury history and the emergence of Franmil Reyes and Hunter Renfroe playing well really made him expendable in san diego. He can play 1B/LF above avg. Myers for a Right handed pitcher with a similar contract would make alot of sense.
Myers to KC for Danny Duffy 1v1 swap.Myers goes back to the team who drafted him and Padres get a pitcher to eat innings. Fixes the overcrowded Outfield situation.
Why does KC want to do this deal? They havent even moved Whit Merrifield and Moore says he wants to see what he has before they identify rebuild needs
Starting in 2020, Myers is getting $22-plus mm each of the next 3 years.
With his injury history he’s in line to be the next Jacoby Ellsbury (who when healthy was a far better all-around ballplayer).
A small market team cannot afford to take on a contract like that coming out of a rebuild. The Royals credentialed GM – Dayton Moore – knows that. The Padres non-credentialed GM – AJ Preller – gave that contract out.
I’m betting on the Royals rebuild. Moore has done it before, and has the organization set-up to develop young players. They made great strides in 2018.
I can’t wait to watch smoke-and-mirrors Preller fail again. Standing like Wile E. Coyote in a smoldering heap, his face blackened from fallout, his shoulders shrugging, as he stares at his hand-held electronic wi-fi device reviewing his advanced metrics with a confused look on his face.
Huh? The Royals lost 100 games last season; the “advanced metrics” teams you deride in every post all made the playoffs last year, including the team with the lowest payroll in the entire game.
Go play your computer games.
You have no idea how winning professional sports teams are built, and how players are brought along at both the minor and major league level.
Numerous contending teams had terrible won-lost records as they were developing and trying out young players, deciding those that would stick.
Try watching games and understanding the discipline. Then the numbers will make sense.
What do you mean by “watching” a baseball game? Is that possible? I only know about baseball because of statistics.
Let me know how I can do this “watching” thing, I’m so confused about it because of the implant put into my brain by Baseball Prospectus/Fangraphs, which whispers into my ear that watching the games doesn’t matter and denies that the Royals and Orioles were good last year, which, obviously, you understand how good they were with their anti-analytics approach.
I’ve read your posts. I’m hardly the only one you respond to using demagoguery.
In the AL Central the White Sox and Twins have the hot minor league prospects, and are the sexy rebuilds. The Royals and Tigers are plotting along using a requirement plan regarding the type of players they need to develop players to build the teams that can succeed in their home parks.
In the same way, LA’s teams in the NBA are doing it. Lebron and the sexy, shiny Lakers are getting all the attention.
Meanwhile, Jerry West – responsible for putting together the Showtime Lakers; Kobe-Shaq Lakers; low payroll losing Memphis that became an upper level playoff team till that owner sold; and the Warrior rebuild that he oversaw prior to the Durant signing when he retired for the 3rd time – came out of retirement yet again to build the Clippers. He is now functioning in the same capacity for the Clippers as he did with the Warriors. He will get Doc Rivers the players.
In 2-3 years when the people today that think the Lakers are a lock to be the next superteam, they’llfind that the Clippers quietly became the best NBA team in LA. And guys like you will be in disbelief. Yet again.
Don’t bother with this guy, David. He’s in the “old man yelling at cloud” phase of his life. His hatred of any advanced metrics and his personal issues with Preller are pretty pathetic.
I know, but sometimes it’s sort of fun to read nonsense.
The NBA, of course, is so far removed from MLB that it’s absurd; and if anything, NBA teams are using even more advanced data than MLB teams are using. NBA games are fixed w/r/t time of game and also number of players; Also, in the NBA one player makes a massive difference;; Lebron James left the Cavs and they suck this year, after making the finals four straight seasons. . There’s no single MLB player that has that sort of impact.
But back to baseball; the Tigers and Royals neglected/ignored advanced alanlytics for years and are reaping the benefits of that misguided approach. Oakland wins with the smallest payroll in the game and a massive analytics department. The Cubs, Astros and Red Sox win with a massive, analytics-driven approach. Dodgers have the biggest analytics department in the game. The O’s and Royals and Angels have the worst. And the Angels have the closest thing to Lebron around, and they still can’t win, because of their unwillingness to embrace contemporary analytics. (They are getting better)
I mean, I’ll take evidence every day; the Royals and especially the O’s have awful farm systems and give out huge contracts to very bad players (Chris Davis? Mark Trumbo?). When a thing works it seems odd to just deride the thing that works, but, hey, you be you.
(By the way, I have watched, played in and coached more baseball games than you have ever possibly been around. But whatever. I also know how to read a stat sheet and understand the advanced analytics that drive the game for the winning teams; we can do both).
^So you do read your own comments then, Starbucks?
I’m sure you were a heck of a coach in rec slo-pitch. Your philosophy drives losses.
No, I coached the Royals last year. Taught them all about bunting and small ball. They were terrific!
Diaz n Segura should get good returns. I’d be excited to see what we could get.
Does a Thor for Realmuto swap make sense for both the Mets and the Marlins. Mets get the best catcher in baseball and Marlins fans get their Ace to endure the rebuild. Im just rambling nonsense here.
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No. Neither team is really competitive. Idk why theyd swap just to finish behind Atlanta philly and possibly nationals. They should trade for the best package they can get.
Mets have the talent to win the division let alone be competitive. But the swap would never happen.
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No bullpen. Sub par production from 3B 1B and SS. Iffy rotation behind Degrom esp health related. No cespedes. No mets dont really have a chance to win the division. Trading for realmuto doesnt fix the other holes on the roster.
The Mets are stuck in the middle, they pitched well for 2 months last year and couldn’t score any runs or win a game. I’m not sure they didn’t miss their window. Cespedes is killing them along with Wright, that’s 48 million on the shelf. They need to put that insurance money into the team.
No way you get syndergaard 1 for 1 with realmuto.
The mets would laugh at that.
Syndergaard can’t stay healthy.
The other day there were two idiots on here saying Syndergaard was more valuable than Kris Bryant.
The only idiot is you Bryant couldn’t touch Syndergaard. cubs fans only wish they could get him. On the whole cubs pitching sucks
No Bill, I’m not a Cuns fan but if you can’t tell that an everyday position player who can play almost anywhere on the field and is not long removed from his MVP season has more value than any pitcher who affects 33 or less games. Bryant played through injuries also. Syndergaard is awesome, don’t get me wrong, he just doesn’t have the same value.
“Can’t stay healthy” has a lot of holes in it. Seems to me that overs 1st 4 seasons he missed half of 2017. Otherwise he started as many games as I’d like to see him start.
It’s my opinion hes a top of the line starter. I doubt That i am only one who holds that opinion.
That being said there’s no way You get whiff of Syndergaard with only Realmuto. Plus there’s no way the mets trade Him to anyone in their division. Last thing you wanna do is face him 4 times a year.
As for Bryant, imo he is the one that needs to prove himself clear of injury.
I bet he wishes last year never happened.
And I’ll bet he can’t wait for 2019 to start and restore himself among the league’s best, because he fell off.
Trading him now will not net what you may think a player of his caliber would bring back
“Cant stay healthy” does not compute. He started enough games for me and probably for most people to be OK with him and his durability Over the past 4 years. Sure 2017 he only had 17 starts. I’m OK with that too.
Bottom line is that he is a top of the line starting pitcher.
That type of a player is definitely worth more than a catcher. And there’s no way that the mets would trade him, a top of the line starting pitcher, To someone in their own division.
As for Bryant. In my opinion his trade value this probaoly at the lowest point in spending his career. And that being said it’s still relatively high compared to what the rest of the league would fetch. 2019 is important to him as he tries to restore himself to the level of player that he has performed at. Because if you think he didn’t fall off last year, injury or not, then I don’t know what to say. Great player but he has a lot to prove next year, Let he can still perform at that high level.
What is it with these Mets fans and how they value the no-way-in-hell-he-can-stay-healthy Thor? He’s good. He’s really, really good yes. You aim to trade him for a few high level minor leaguers absolutely.
But once you get to established star major leaguers a position player will always be be worth more than your pitcher. An All Star stud catcher would almost be a perfect match in a Thor trade but honestly that makes no sense for the Marlins anyway they won’t be ready to contend in the short little window on Thor’s contract.
And yes I wish it were just a bad dream but there were two tag team morons on here the other day trying to say the Mets would hang up on a KB for Thor swap offer when in actuality the Mets would have to add in far more to even dream of that return.
When Syndergaard wins the Cy Young next year and the cubs finish behind the Brewers and cards because of poor pitching and Bryants less than cloth performance we’ll be roasting idiot cubs fans.they wouldn’t know good pitching if it but then on the ass.
Make that 3 Mets moron fans…
Why would the rebuilding Marlins give up their most valuable trade chip for a guy who is just going to leave before they are contending?
You are probably right. The most likely deal, if it were to happen, would be a three-way dance involving the Padres. The Mets would get Realmuto +1 of the Padres prospects, the Padres would get Thor, and the Marlins would get some of the top Padre prospects and, possibly, a Met throw-in like Dom Smith, if Alonso is the 1B of the future.
Mejias, Urias, and Quantril should do it
Plus a top prospect from the Mets like Dunn.
Padres aren’t trading Urias. He is their 2B and they don’t have a replacement on hand.
Add in Straily and Plawecki to fill the respective holes and it may work. Marlins would look to flip Thor and it is always easier to trade a starting pitcher since just about every team in baseball is looking for one.
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Myers has to be DH
Well as much as I like myers he doesn’t have a spot in San Diego
Tatis urias and hosmer sounds like a bright future either way
Third base is question
Do they give ty France a shot or do they sign someone to play third or do they trade for something to play third
Hosmer? He was terrible in 2018….but I do think the Padres have a bright future.
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The Athletics trade prospects Puk, Murphy, Beck, Barreto, and their Competitive Balance pick in next year’s draft (38th overall) to the Marlins for Realmuto and Castro.
Stupid overpay for the A’s. Waaaay too much for realmuto.
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Overpaying for players is allowed.
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It may be too much, but it isn’t waaaay too much.
That trade is indeed waaaaaaaay too much.
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Feel free to come up with a trade that you think is fair.
I thought it was fair Marge.
Even if the As were this stupid, a team cannot trade picks until the season starts
you can trade supplemental round b only I think
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I remove the pick from the offer then.
If the Kia Tigers cut you, then your career is over. They are the worst team in Korea, bar none.
Bernadina and Dean are done if the Kia Tigers aren’t keeping them. The article mentions the possibility that their coming back to the MLB and point is, if Kia doesn’t want them then no one this side of Pacific wants them.
they are nowhere close to their former glory but they are not the worst. kia tigers were tied for 5th out of 10 kbo pro teams this past season.
The Kia Tigers won the Korean Series (MLB WS equivalent) in 2017. I actually saw them play that year, they were really good…with Bernadina being their best player. The game I was at he went 4-5 with a homer off the foul pole. I’m not saying that translates to MLB success, but to say the Kia Tigers are the worst team in Korea is completely false.
Dipoto does this with every team…strips down a solid team trading its future away for one hit wonders then teams regresses and he blows up core for middling average prospects. I almost think other rival gms have hired him to wreck teams lol. Its taken angels 4/5 years to recover.
Umm…what future did he trade away with the M’s? They were one of the worst farm systems when he took over. He’s been able to trade what little they had to piece together a winning team that had a legit chance to make the playoffs last year. No matter how bad or good you think he is he can’t make players play better (ie. Seager, Gordon, Heredia, Zunino, Felix. etc.) or make them stay healthy. I have my issues with him but he actually is good at trading.
Angels are screwed because ownership pushed for the fat contracts of Hamilton, Pulols, CJ Wilson. In Seattle Dipoto hasn’t signed any albatross contracts. But he’s still stuck with a few from Jack Z’s administration. As a Mariner fan I think Dipoto is doing pretty well with what he has. Cano, Seager, Hearnandez contracts are pretty bad. Especially the ladder 2 since cano is still producing at an above average level.
Didn’t matter who the M’s GM was at the time if given the chance anybody woulda signed King Felix
Haniger to Cleveland for McKenzie and Bobby Bradley.
kill yourself please.
Segura to Cleveland for Lindor and Ramirez. The Mariners get young controllable talent and the Indians get to save legal fees from arbitration hearings.
The only reason the Marlins didn’t get much for Stanton is because Jeter gift-wrapped him for the Yankees. Probably will be the same type trade for Reamulto
I think Stanton gift wrapped himself to the Yankees! There were 2 trades agreed upon before he went to the Yankees. Stanton just used his no trade clause to block both of them! That meant to get out from under that financial obligation the Marlins had to agree to whatever to get rid of him!
The Blow Sox just won the championship and yet their fans are still crying over the Yankees getting someone. Stanton gave the Marlins a least of only four teams, he would wave his no trade clause for. The other three teams, wanted the Marlins to either take really bad contracts in return. Or eat most of the money. The Marlins wanted to dump his contract, not eat most of it. Or take back bad contracts.
@angels don’t bother speaking logically, You can give people facts but they’re still going to believe whatever they want
Right cause the almost $300 M the yanks took on for about 10 years was chump change….
This. I hate the Yankees as much as anyone, but they could put Stanton on waivers right now and I don’t think anyone would take that contract. The Yankees can afford to pay full retail rates for high end players like that, and it makes sense for them to do so, but there’s no surplus value in that contract and it isn’t worth anything in trade.
Stanton’s contract is about market value. No reason to expect a big return in that trade.
How about Bridwell and Cozart for Meyers. The Padres get a right handed starting pitcher and someone who can play short stop. Cozart also only has two years left on his deal, which means no long term hold up. The Angels get a right handed bat, who could play right field and first base for them.
angels need all the starting pitchers they can find and not add another right-handed bat.
Angels DFA Bridwell.so since he is no longer on the 40 man roster, they could trade him to fill a whole.
Padres probably make that deal. Angels probably don’t.
Myers isn’t that expensive.
Average what hes owed the next 4 years =17 million
He has potential to have a breakout year, he is still young.
Better talent available, less expensive? With power at 27 years old
Wil Myers is more expensive than shortstop Jean Segura, who is owed only $14.25 million in each of the next four seasons (plus a $1 million buyout of the team option for a fifth season).
Steamer projects Myers, who is only nine months younger than Segura, with a 2019 WAR of 1.9 in 147 games after Myers posted 1.6 fWAR in 83 games this year.
Steamer projects Segura with a 2019 WAR of 2.7 in 149 games after Segura posted 3.8 fWAR in 144 games this year.
The Marlins shoulld get a top pitching prospect for Realmuto along with another top 100 player. He is the one of the best catchers in baseball,, the Astros look like the best fit Whitley, and Martin, or the Dodgers Verdugo and Alverez.. I do think he will go to a contender.
Dodgers would do that deal in a heart beat.
I think if the Astros were willing to trade Whitley the deal would already be done.
I think the Marlins are looking for a top pitching prospect for Realmuto.
perhaps a smoke screen, but Dodgers’ Friedman has said that Dodgers are only looking for a catcher to pair with Barnes for 2019 as team is very high on catching prospects Smith and Ruiz. One year catchers? FA Wieters, Lucroy, Maldonado? Or trade for Cervelli or Gomes?