Star free agent Manny Machado may have wrapped up his tour of several potential new teams, but that doesn’t mean he’ll rush into a decision. Per Jon Heyman of Fancred (Twitter link), the 26-year-old has informed the three teams he recently met with that he will not be putting pen to paper until the calendar flips.
Surely, Machado has plenty to think about and discuss after spending several hours with the White Sox, Yankees, and Phillies. He’ll also no doubt want to leave agent Dan Lozano ample time to negotiate up the offer prices — if not to reel in some other bidders as well.
There was a time when more of the free agent dealmaking was wrapped up earlier in the offseason. But with teams showing ample patience of late, it surely behooves players not to rush into things when the circumstances call for a slow-play. Plus, Machado and fellow free agent Bryce Harper find themselves in a rare spot as exceedingly youthful and accomplished open-market assets.
In any event, it seems we’ll have to wait a bit longer to find out where Machado is heading. And from all indications it’s still an open race. Over 35k MLBTR readers voted yesterday on his likeliest destination, with the Yankees easily taking the top spot but nevertheless failing to command a majority of the votes.
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Manny to the KBO
@Formerdraftpick best comment on mlbtr this offseason.
Killer Baltimore Orioles?
Way to spoil it. He’s going to the Giants though. NPB. Yomiuri Giants.Just googled KBO. Didn’t realize they also have a giants team. You could be on to something
But but He met with the Phillies for 4 hours 16 min!
Yankees 90 minutes (plus wine’d and dine’d)
I think white sox 6 hours lol
xabial……Phillies also wined and dined at Royal Boucherie
But did Phillies dinner meeting last three hours?
“According to an industry sources Manny Machado spent a lot more time with Yankees than 90 minutes There was a three hour dinner as well” (mobile.twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/107624484…)
Details of Machado’s White Sox meeting more of a mystery than Jimmy Hoffa. All i could tell you is “The White Sox met with Machado for three hours on Monday at Guaranteed Rate Field before several stops around the city.“ estimates are anywhere from 6 to 10 hours with WSox
I got hungry just reading their website!
If you have ever eaten in a 5 star restaurant and especially a business dinner you can safely guesstimate it was a several hour meal.
I was never in MM’s position but I had my fair share of 2-3 hour business dinners with some lasting even longer.
It’s not like they went to McD’s drive through.
Source for meeting length with White Sox :
This is literally, the only credible source on internet puts timetable on WSox meeting.
Yankees dinner duration Source:
Bruce Levine Twitter (Re-post, same link)(mobile.twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/107624484…)
So Cat, Phillies Phan, I’d say it’s a tie!
think NYY loses unless Manny offers discount
So? Do you think a dinner meeting clinched it all? Are you waiting for me to provide a duration of the Phillies dinner? If so, sorry I haven’t seen one, just the article that named the restaurant.
I responded only because you made it seem like the Yankees taking him to dinner was something special. It wasn’t. It happens all of the time in a large number of businesses.
Cat, 4 hours 16 minutes says it all. long time. Plus the most details available on Machado’s Phillies viait, than the other 2. I provided his Yankee dinner duration to somewhat make up for the 90 minute Yankee meeting length lol!
Doubt such a link exists and dinner typically lasts hours like you said… Just giving you the nitty gritty details of all I know! Even counting the Yankee dinner, Phillies’ tour took longer.
Good luck and may the best team win.
NP. One thing I can say from having more “free” dinners than I can remember is it’s the quality of the conversation, not the time.
Have to run…have a good night
Np. You too as well, Obv No one knows.^
Thanks for getting my back with trolls below. I kindly ask mlbtr to leave their posts because it reflects on them, more than me. Hopefully it makes my “stalkers” (for lack of a better word) leave me alone. zombie accs only show insult
NP….Just ignore it and them….water off a ducks back
Fixed link above for WSox: (led to 404)
So the Sox has a 3 hr meeting BEFORE all the wining and dining? Done deal.
Priggs89: Do you believe WSox get him? I think Philly will be overly desperate.
I heard the Royals sent Machado a text that took him 9 hours and 27 minutes to read. #donedeal
Why is the length of time they met even relevant? I’ve often gotten a lot more out of a 90 minute meeting then a 3 hour one in my career. All a longer meeting meant was that the white Sox bored him longer.
Is anyone else worried how Johnny Hustle will kill what makes the Yankees fun to watch now, their Chemistry? His first slump when he’s booed by fans that actually watch the game (full offense meant orioles and dodger fans) he’s going to sit around pouting and bring the whole team down. Keep Andujar and let the white Sox sign another 1 of free agent and continue to suck.
You’ve obviously never been in McDonald’s Attica,IN drive thru. 3 hours is possible
Usually I don’t clink on links, but did on this one…wow!
Dads…..Makes me wish I still lived back east…and of course had a fatter wallet
We all believe you too
Well so much for the mystery team as Machado’s tour seems complete
Marc (Phillies Phan)
xabial – two ways to look at that LOL
Disclaimer: This post is in support of xabial, but not necessarily representing his views. LOL
You are a worthy adversary” ^^^
Marc (Phillies Phan)
90 minutes could be a done deal or bust. I truly don’t know. My gut says Harper to Dodgers and you all get Machado. I don’t see Klentak and Kapler getting things done. I still maintain Phillies need to spend stupid money on a GM and manager first. But I hope they prove me wrong. But it is possible they overpay. Who knows?
Greg Maddux met with the Yankees for some time, dinner, broadway show. Only for Maddox signing with the braves.
Harper is playing right field in Chavez Ravine. They just opened his spot and their payroll.
Time for the Nats to sign Dallas Keuchel and Jed Lowrie and another bullpen piece like Greg Holland. Harper is gone.
Actually, they have more work to do if they want Harper. They took back Bailey’s contract, which puts the at about $180 Mil……not enough room to sign Harper, unless they cut some kind of “under-the-radar” deal……and the CBA would never allow that.
Homer earning that much $ is literally criminal.
I think they’ll just release Bailey so that he doesn’t factor into their payroll
As a white Sox fan, I think it is quite obvious that these guys have their destinations already picked and the Sox are not in the plans even if they offer up 375 to either. Time for them to get back to business and get a few free agents or the fan base is going to get a bit restless. Being used as pawns in the harpchado derby is nothing but wasted time!
Machado can go play for the KBO for all I care
Mr. Attitude.!!! SMH
That’s what ego does to a player
“the slugger reportedly is telling his friends something else: He prefers the Yankees. According to The Athletic’s Jim Bowden, Machado is telling friends in Miami, “if the offers are close, he’ll be headed to the Bronx.”
If the report of the NYY not willing to go over $300M is true he will be headed to Philly
The Yankees better put a competetive offer on the table. This kind of talent isn’t available often, and the odds were astronomical that two would be available the same year: the last time a superstar position player reached free agency in the prime of his youth was A-Rod.
If there’s any player to shell out a massive contract for, it’s a star in his mid 20s.
I wouldn’t be surprised it the Philly offer is in the $350M range
I just hope who ever gets him gets stuck paying for years of poor productivity. Bad knees do not age well
Or maybe, have them spend their money on pitching. Bc, you know, they need pitching and not another bat
There’s plenty of salary cap space. Signing Machado doesn’t close the checkbook
I’d prefer Harpers bat but Manny fits this team so much better right now, Andujar COULD get better at third, right!! Right?! Right???
Anyone with an ignorant comment regarding Machado is just layman’s terms for I am mad that either my team is too cheap or not good enough for him to consider.
I am a Yankees fan and I dont want Machado on the Yankees. Does that make the Yankees too cheap or not good enough???
no. his attitude is awful. legitimately think he will hurt a clubhouse.
When did you ever read in the past 6 years about Machado and a locker room incident? Because of one interview and a couple of replays shown 7,000 times from every possible angle he’s suddenly the T.O. of baseball?
This stuff reminds me of how Chase Utley, one of the game’s cleanest players, was labeled a dirty player because of one slide in a playoff game. You wouldn’t judge a player’s ability based off a small sample size of 50 at bats, so maybe don’t judge their character off of one interview and a couple of plays at first.
I agree with you here. I think the developing storyline amongst fans that he is somehow a cancer is contrived. That being said, I wouldn’t want a player on my team who doesn’t hustle just because I think it’s asinine and frustrating to watch
Would you want Harper? He has been either benched or called to the carpet by every manager he has player for, for not hustling. That includes this last July when Martinez had to have a little talk with him.
No I would not but that is more so because I don’t believe he’ll live up to his contract. I understand your point and it is a good one, but I feel that he may be more coachable at least. Machado has essentially just said this is how he is. This may be me deluding myself though
The Phillies have this one in the bag. At the end of the day, it’s all about the money.
And if not I will quote this lmao
And if he’s correct?
I bet the last time the phrase “Phillies have this in the bag” was used in 1964.
Or 2007 when the Mets topped the 64 collapse of the Phillies
Did his agent get the ok from xabial first ? You know he does some scouting for the yanks
Him and his agent are going over everything along with it being the holidays so this is no surprise to me
The Phillies will get him. They’ll offer whatever it takes to get him. Bet that.
You may be right kenly0
He is holding off on deciding. Probably has indigestion from pigging out the past week.
Does this mean that we’ll be spared from anymore stories about him until then?
No, sadly, I see this opening the door for more “mystery teams” to inquire, posturing about what the Sox/Phils/Yanks final offer “absolutely” won’t go over, new connections about how his sister’s uncle’s best friend’s barber has a kid who is a bat boy for the Phillies so OBVIOUSLY they’re a shoo-in now…
Typical woman always making people wait.
So with all this money spent on Harper and Machado, who’s able and willing to give Trout half a billion dollar contract when he hits FA?
I would be really surprised if he signed with anyone other than the Yankees. Maybe if the Phillies threw an extra 50 million at him over the Yankees. The White Sox? They’ve made no intentions clear to either “spend stupidly” or be particularly competitive like the Yankees are. Machado may not be “Johnny Hustle” but even he must want to be on a winner.
So you do not think the White Sox are worthy? If one of the big two sign with the White Sox with Philly getting neither who is to say the Phillies are closer to a world series than the ChiSox?
White Sox have to get through Red Sox, Yankees, and astros to get to World Series. NL is weaker. i Think this proves the Phillies are indeed closer without even looking at each team
More important to make it to the postseason, where it’s been show that worse teams can beat better teams just because there hot that week. With that in mind, way easier to get to the dance in the first place in the garbage AL Central than the loaded NL East.
White Sox are more than a Machado or Harper away from making the playoffs. They were a bad team in a bad division and have been for a while. They have prospects, but none of them have shown anything. Moncado was the top prospect in baseball… he’s older than Torres and Torres has done much better at the big league level. Severino and Giolito are the same age. Gary Sanchez was already in majors at the age Zack Collins is now.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I’m an oinker…..I want both Machado and Harper in Philly. It’s fun to want.
Seriously though, the Phillies need an impactful bat. Rhys Hoskins has no protection in that lineup.
It makes more sense for the Phillies to want offense. Would be surprised if they dont pony up enough money to get one of them. I just dont see the Yankees being desperate enough to bend over and give Machado as much money as CHW or PHI
And they won’t get it. Starting pitching still sparse beyond Nola. Arrieta still has the inconsistent O’s starter in him … after that its overachieving former Nats prospect Nick Privetta. Players aren’t stupid, they see that. Machado and Harper also want to win. if they can the big pay day and end up with a winner? Why not be an oinker?
Starting pitching is sparse for the Phils? You must be don’t pay attention to the NL East. SP was easily their biggest strength last year. Sure, they are still a bit young and inexperienced and that showed a bit down the stretch, but that was not the reason for their collapse–they simply couldn’t hit or play defense. They don’t have the SEXY names in their rotation that the Nats have, but last year they were pretty effective as a unit overall, and there are a few guys ready to come in and contribute if/when a guy like VV struggles in 2019.
raltongo, well stated
Am betting yanks get shut of the good free agents this winter. Thank god cash put 24 mil though into a 7th starter, 5th outfielder and a 36 year old 4-5 starter.
Of course the cash fans will argue that this is short term coin, except that he does this every year….
Sorry that’s 34 mil!
“Yankees easily taking the top spot, but failing to command a majority of votes”
Majority being over 50%
Whatever they do, do NOT pass ranked choice voting.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this has anything to do with Harper. Wouldn’t be surprised to see both at now go to the Dodgers.
if I were one of the three teams I would tell Manny Machado make your decision now or the offers off the table
It IS Time for the players to feel some kind of restriction. They make “Stupid Money” already…….and the amount that those two guys want is just “Incredibly Stupid”.
Send Them Home
Don’t Pay Them
kobar, since Middleton said they’d spend stupid money, this fits. I say, pay em.
Those teams are thankful you’re not their GM.
Cashman call the Dodgers see if they’ll take Stanton then go after Harper tell Machado to take a hike or better yet maybe take both
Now that’s a deal.
He is A-Rod part 2 to me. He’ll have some great years, some bs to deal with along the way and then the painful older years of regret
Harper might not be till February then
This nonsense with players that think so highly of themselves has gotten so ridiculous.
Owners should not offer more than 10/250 for either one of them……make them wait……let them “stay home in April”…….and see what happens.
Salaries are so far out of hand……..It’s time to “pull the reins in”……and let the players “sweat” a little bit.
Nobody…..I mean Nobody on the ballfield is worth $40 Million per year.
SHUT THEM DOWN!!!
Players are making less and less percent of revenue in baseball. It may actually be an issue when the next CBA is negotiated.
I’m skeptical this is accurate, and even if it is accurate, MLB is currently on the path to major decline. Most of the revenue increases in MLB are from sponsorship and TV deals. The problem is both of those are set to dry up as MLB attendance and interest has declined every single year for, I believe, 7 consecutive years now. The other major issue is that while gross revenues are increasing, operating costs are soaring as front offices are growing employee numbers to support enhanced marketing, scouting and analytics.
The biggest issue with player income in MLB is where the money is going. Players are not being paid for their production in their prime and are being overpaid for production outside of prime.
If the owners didn’t have the money, they wouldn’t pay it..the market drives the amounts…
This is just a free market responding to the situation. I’d rather have it this way than to have franchise revenues soar while player salaries remain static, where players do not get a respectable chunk of the additional revenues.
That’s why Cuban players risk their lives to flee their homeland. It may also be why there’s no baseball to speak of in Russia. If there were, we’d be hearing about the Moscow Mashers, the Kazan Katyusha Rockets and the St. Petersburg Leninites.
Jingle, Jingle, Jingle. You will hear my sleigh bells ring. I am old Kris Kringle. I’m the King of Jingling.
He already knows it’s ny he’s just using the others,hope they call his bluff, see if will (hustle) his way out of this one
I would like to see the Yankees sign Manny machado But sign him to a contract with opt out years maybe like an 8 year contract 30 mil a year with option years
yea, that won’t get it done. Phils are goin 10 years. He may turn it down to play for the Yanks, but I doubt it. 99% of the time these guys follow the money, and that money trail leads to Citizens Bank.
I want the Yankees to sign Manny. But should sign him to a contract with option years
Looking at the Yankees, they are RH heavy in that lineup, especially with Didi out for a spell. Harper would make sense in LF and he is LH. Gardy is a 4th outfielder anymore. Machado has an overall solid bat with good splits. Short term makes sense but becomes a logjam when Didi returns. If Andujar’s bat is still hot will be a very tough decision
All that “his friends say he wants to play for New York” is rubbish. Corbin wanted to play for his hometown team but took the money. I don’t think the Phillies will be outbid
I guess accepting 300million plus is harder than it looks …
As if he doesn’t know yet … it’s the Phillies. If the yanks gave him what he wanted he would have signed already, but the Phillies offer is to good to pass up. Welcome to Philly Manny!
So why hasn’t he signed in philly with your logic ?
He wants to play for your beloved Yankees, but they just won’t even come close to matching Middleton’s offer. Yankees have the history and all that … 26 or is 28 championships? … what they don’t have, is an offer in the same hemisphere as Philadelphia. Honestly, if manny takes NYY offer, he is “basically” leaving the most money ever … on the table of any professional athlete in history. Can I verify that, nope, but I bet the farm that it’s true. Just do the math, you can even do it with pro Yankees “math” and it the statement is most likely true. He’d be an idiot to pass it up. Who turns down 75million or more … To do the same job? Sure he could absolutely sign with NYY, but Extremly doubtful …
You still haven’t answered my question. If it’s an offer he can’t refuse why not just sign them ? Lol
My bad, lol I thought you’d be able to connect the dots 🙂 … Manny hasn’t signed yet as he is trying to extract a better offer from the Yankees, in hopes they can get close enough to match the Phillies offer, if they do, he’ll sign with your beloved NYY. The problem for manny is, they know he can’t but he’s holding out hope. Again, he’s be walking away from the most money every in sports history, if he did. Don’t see him signing with the Yankees no matter “how bad” he wants to be one. Enjoy your holiday season.
If I were the Phillies I’d go all in on Harper. They are in the league without the DH and Manny will need to be one on occasion in the future. I don’t see him signing in Philadelphia. At best a 10% chance since Manny wants to win. The Phillies could sign Harper because Boras is all about money. But if the Phillies lose Machado,then it will be too late to get Harper. And they will sign neither. Boras holds a grudge. Machado ends up in NY, Harper in LA, and Klentak has no one to blame but himself for misreading the market
if anyone is destined for the DH, it would be Harper. What happens before guys go full-on DH? they try to make the transition to first base first, and who do you think is better equipped to handle that change-over, MM or BH?
dude, he is not going to misread the market at all. you have no clue what you’re talking about. Middleton will offer Manny 350million if he needs to, and the Yankees will not go that high. FACT–the Phillies will not be outbid. Manny may choose to leave a lot of money on the table and go to NY, but if he does that it will be in now way related to Klentak’s ability to read his market, as you cannot predict when a player will leave millions of dollars on the table to play for a “winner” in NY
If manny wants to win It’s a no brainer he will be a Yankee I think the phillies would not only have to beat the Yankee offer. I would think they would have to top it pretty good. Now it’s just my opinion I’m not in the know. I’m not an agent or any of that other crap people like to say it’s just my opinion
How much would you consider “pretty good”? An extra $30M is only 10% – $3M/yr – on a $300M/10yr contract. Does that qualify as pretty good, or would it need to be more?
And no, I’m not trolling – this is a legitimate question. I keep seeing how the Phillies or WSox would need to “drastically overpay” and such, but nobody ever says how much more they’d need to spend. When you’re already paying someone $30M/yr, I certainly wouldn’t call it a drastic overpay to bump it to $33M/yr. maybe that’s just me though.
Philly will go much higher than 10/$300M
You can be sure if the nyy signed one of those 2 guys for 40 million, the math was done, and they will make money . Even without winning the ring. This is different , theoretically, from arid because of age. They may not have to eat the last few years. Nyy make money by just fielding a team. Of course they want to win, but they make money almost by accident. Nyy fan since 1973,not trolling, but tell me if I’m wrong.
i mean, no one is worried that the Yankees will go bankrupt if they sign Machado. More so people want the Yankees to go into a different direction. Especially considering the Yankees have made it known that they like their payroll to be near the threshold and not too much past it either. This could mean that a Machado could restrict the Yankees ability to acquire players in the future, as Jacoby is now
My opinion is the only thing that that stops the Yankees from spending is , of course, nyy. Even ellsbury contract is 75% covered with insurance with the time missed. My opinion, no way ellsbury holds back a major signing. Only Hal can do that. I’ve been wrong before ,lol
Maybe i worded it poorly, Ellsbury wont stop them from getting Manny but its definitely $23M of cap room theyd rather have back. So instead of doing Manny and potentially more, they would have to settle for Manny and not much more
Yanks got 15 million in insurance money for Ellsbury last year. That means Cashman has an extra 15 million to spend this year, add that Gray’s salary of 9 million and you have Machado’s money.
I am not saying the Yankees cant get/pay for Machado. I am simply stating that a large contract like Machados could stop the Yankees from filling the holes they actually need to fill in the future (e.g SP, RP, extensions of current players) and they shouldnt be desperate enough on offense to be willing to strap themselves in another large contract that could possibly restrict other player acquisitions. Very simple concept.
Also, i think that even though the Yankees were compensated the money for Ellsbury not playing, i think he still effects the total payroll that determines the lux. tax.
Klentak no Machado no Harper for you!
Phillies 10 years 325 million
Yankees 8 years 280 million
Machado chooses NYY
Machado will go where the money is. Which means the Yankees would have to overpay to get him as is usually the case. Not sure why NY people think players will take less money to come there? High cost of living, high taxes, incredibly bad fans and media, dirty, overcrowded, etc.
The yankees offer is more money per year and on a shorter deal. Machado could become a free agent again at 34 compared to the Phillies deal of 10 years and he’d be 36. If machado really believes in himself as a player, he should know that he could get another good size deal at age 34. But at age 36 the chances of getting any good size deal goes way down.
Machado would easily make another 45 million at his age 34.
Some crystal ball you have!!
Assuming that bionic legs are freely available.
leaving 45 million dollars on the table? sorry dude, NOT happening.
Without any solid information to base this on……..
I somewhat Agree with those numbers.
Cards might enter the bidding but will fall well short of those offers (like 6/210)
Just a hunch, but I’ll be surprised if Machado or Harper come anywhere near the $400 Mil mark. The Mystery Team could offer around 10/350, but they won’t accept.
Longshot possibility that either could sign a less-than-perfect deal with an Opt-out after 3 years, and they’ll see what Mike Trout gets after 2020 (or in an extension), then enter the FA market the following year.
It could happen
I have historically stayed away from predictions but MM is a different case. I have felt all along that the Phillies focus would be more on Manny and less on Harper.
I think the Phillies try something like they did with Jake…(opt out with the abaility to override the opt out with $$). I posted this before…..
A shorter term (not short just shorter than 10-12 gauranteed years) with higher AAV…$20M signing bonus paid out over the first 3 years….$35M base salary first 3 years…
opt out at the end of year 3 w/team override that adds $5M/year next 3 years
$36M base years 4-6….
opt out end of year 6 w/team override that adds $5M/year next 2 years…
years 7-8 $38M base..
club options years 9-10 $39M/per with $10M buyouts.
Total guaranteed without “overrides” and including buyouts $329M.
With “opt out overrides” $354M.
With years 9 and 10 (unlikely) $412M
This way if he preforms well can opt out at a young age but the Phillies can retain him if the want by adding $5M/year more to his base salary. He has a large guaranteed base with incentives basically.
If he plays well & opts out and the team wants to go another direction then all is good.
If he balks at the 2nd Override or wants another million or two added to the “opt out overrides” then do it.
MD, when you joke, throw in a wink or two..You just posted that Manny would go to NY, and leave $45 million on the table for 2 years!
8 years—-$35m AV
That’ll never happen..no logic in it..why would a player gamble those 2 extra years?
No I don’t think nyy will offer 40 m per, my opinion, of course it’s late with a clouded brain.
Maybe players union folks know Harper will make a decision soon and don’t want to outshine him, so they told Manny to wait. Just like how MLB doesn’t like trades being made on the day Hall of Fame inductions are announced.
I’m glad this narcissist is not going to play for my team. It’s always about him.
ummmmmm it’s HIS contract… who else should it be about? i wouldnt call you a narcissist if you took a few weeks to decide where you would like to work for the next ten years, especially when you have multiple attractive options
I love how people assume the dollar amounts that the teams are offering lol. I’m not making any predictions
This firs in perfectly with his do not hustle policy.
Fire Jon Daniels
The trolls on this site are completely out of control.
Why oh why do I ever think reading the comments is a good idea?
He has learned a lot from Lebron.
and they will see the money shrink waiting..
I wonder if Manny hustled his way through his dinner?
I wonder if he stepped on the waiter’s foot, in hopes that he’d drop the tray full of food…???
If $$$$ talk Manny is Philly bound.Cash will look at Tulo. Already missed out on Miller and several other options for infield,and pitching.With the injury bug, I don’t believe one can ever have enough pitching.
I love how the white Sox are all but left out of the conversation. These guys have their minds made up l feel. As a Sox fan, I think the Sox have a bit more building to do and should focus on some other free agents rather than the harpchado mess. They are only in it to add to the mystery. Probably waited too long.
Wouldn’t it be cool if the Marlins signed Harper and Machado? Marlins need to do something to keep up with everything the other teams are doing in their division. They sign Harper Machado, Britton and Kuechel and keep Realmuto. They win the World Series and then they trade everyone right after the World Series.
Yup… you heard it here first.
I’m just kidding. Please don’t send the men in the white jackets.
I’m glad to see you’re kidding. No way a team would ever think of doing that, and even if they did I doubt it would work. Or would it? Hmmm…LOL
Its really arrogant for the Yankees to continue to ask players to take a discount, I hope Machado is smarter then that?
Jerk forever. Hope he goes to the Yankees where he belongs.
Matthew De Lorge
Not quite sure if this Phillies offer is going to be as big as people think. The owner is already backing off of his “stupid money” comment, and the idea is they cannot give both Machado and Trout these giant contracts.
With Nolan a FA next year and Trout (born in Philly) a FA in 2020, I would wonder how much over the Yankees the Phillies will go.
The only way the Phillies or White Sox get Machado over NY is if the Yankees put a lackluster offer out there as they did with Corbin.
My feelings about this signing revolves around Andujar. If Machado means he is traded I am firmly against this, but if it simply means he moves to first, I am all for it.
I don’t think the Phillies are waiting for Arenado and Trout. That’s how not to run a franchise. You see an opportunity now to add a 26 year old superstar, and you have the money, you outbid all others to get it done
The Phillies have waited for this moment and if they don’t sign either Machado or Harper, it’s a massive failure
I don’t believe the Yankees will come with a lackluster offer. If the Phillies want Machado, they have a ton of more money
I don’t believe that whole “Machado wants to play for the Yankees” rubbish.
Money talks. Ask Patrick Corbin how he and his family wanted him to play for his childhood and hometown team only to go for the money. Both the Yankees and Phillies offered him 5 year legitimate deals. The Nationals outbid them. It’s business
i know fans of PHI,CHI, &NYY are anxious to get Machado (at least most) I don’t know for sure we’re he is going, nobody does, but I believe your reasoning that the Phillies can’t offer both MM and Trout massive deals, is not accurate. If MAchado chooses the Phillies, it will have no baring if they offer Trout a massive deal. They have very few contract commitments in 2020-2022. Their current roster is at 102mil, it was at 60 to start the offseason, close to it. The Phillies would absolutely go above the luxury tax threshold for trout. I’m sure other teams would as well. Those that can. The Phillies have boat loads of money? It’s more a question of if the FA will sign with the Phillies vs if they can afford them. All that said, The Phillies will offer the most for both of them, will see if they sign, chances are, imo, that it is very high that the Phillies are able and willing to sign both. Philadelphia phans would
Flock to the ballpark to see Trout, buy merchandise… they would be printing money if it happened. If trout hits the open market, you would see a full court press to get him. Heck, I’m sure the entire Eagles team would be part of the recruiting process
Matthew De Lorge
See, I don’t think Philly can afford both IF they overspend on both. It would be unwise for Philly, or any team for that matter, to not have one eye on the future while looking at the present.
The Nationals outbid the Yankees on years and dollars, by a significant amount. The Phillies will likely need to do the same. If they grossly overextend themselves on Manny, will they be able to keep their own guys when they become FA and participate to make the team better in future FA years? Seeing Philly has yet to sign a legitimate starter or reliever, being outbid by other teams, who is to think that they will outbid for Manny? Philly is also NOT ready to win now, and is more than a Manny away IMO. They need 2 starting pitchers and serious relief help to be ready now..
It took 40 million for Corbin to sign elsewhere, and if rumors are true, Philly will need to do similar to top the Yankees.
Again, the Phillies have yet to WIN on one of these FA, and their main need is pitching after they got Segura for SS (I know Manny could play 3rd), so why would one think after knowing this, that they would top anyone for Manny, especially with the back peddling by the owner.
Matthew De Lorge
A few things….Trout was born in Millville NJ (technically Vineland…Millville doesn’t have a hospital) not Philly. Yes I am from NJ and born in the same hospital. As a kid I would ride my bike the 5-15 miles to Vineland, Millville, Elmer etc. It does matter.
Actually it was Andy MacPhail and not Middleton who “walked back” buy saying there’s still ongoing interest in both stars, but also notes “there are a lot of different ways to improve,” Citing a need to “give yourself enough latitude to deal with each off-season as it comes,” mlbtraderumors.com/2018/12/bryce-harper-dodgers-ru…
Depending which pitching stats you look at decides ones view on their staff.
Yes ERA was poor 11th in the NL, K’s and K/9 they were 2nd…2nd in FIP…7th in WHIP and 4th in BB/9.
As for money there was a reason they signed Santana and Jake to short term contracts…Trout. The one player they will try hard to retain (barring injury) is Nola.
Hoskins has a lot of potential but 1B bats can be replaced. They have Bohm in the minors who profiles as a !b not 3B so it’s certainly possible that he can step in when Hoskins reaches FA.
They have the money and are not even close to the CBT line and will have the $$ when Trout reaches FA.
as usual Cat, explained well
Matthew De Lorge
He is not from Philly, sorry, he is from the area…better? They have the money, and are staying away from big signings so far in lieu of smaller commitments like McCutchen, AND choosing to trade for the Segura contract.
I will believe they have and will spend the money when I see it. So far they are losers on the FA market this offseason seeing they were tied to many of the FA and could not sway one of significance to sign yet. (McCutchen was a bad signing, and nobody was giving him 3 years, so please don’t say that was a win. He is also far from a significant signing)
The Trout rumors are out there, so you can choose to believe them or not. If they are true, which I believe they are, you then need to ask how many contracts the Phillies are willing to have that are of the 10+ year variety., especially seeing they know all too well about bad contracts i.e. Ryan Howard.
@matthew de log – Well, I disagree strongly on a few of your points. You seem to be looking at this through Yankee eyes. The Phillies can easily afford a MAchado and Trout. They have prospects in the pipeline to balance high salaries. Pitching is their Strength. They have a good young staff, with 3 top tier pitching prospects coming in the future. The Phillies are ready to build out of the rebuild stage. You may not agree with their front offices plan, which is fine, but that doesn’t mean they can’t execute the plan you think isn’t possible “financially”. You are underestimating hownthe phillies can compete now and in the future.
Matthew De Lorge
So their ties to just about EVERY major starter and reliever on the market, along with the trade rumors suggests the club feels differently about their staff than you do. If I am seeing this through the Yankees eyes, you are certainly looking at it through the Phillies.
They NEED 2 starters and back end of the pen arms. They have zero closer options internally.
My feelings are a mix of rumors you hear and my feelings. The Phillies being beat on EVERY FA so far begs to how much they are willing to extend themselves, so their current payroll doesn’t mean much to me if they aren’t spending.
BTW, nowhere am I saying I think the Yankees will get him. I am saying the Phillies will need to overspend them by a good margin, and that they have done nothing to suggest they will. Unless you think getting beat by the Yankees and Nats on the 2 starters they were tied to means something good for Manny?
So, hate to disagree, but “”EVERY””” major free agent starter is just false..They have been interested and continue to be interested in a LEFTY starter. Plain and simple..Been years since they had one they could count on..as to the back of the pen, they have if necessary Seranthony Dominguez..did very well last year..however, to your argument, they continue to look for a lefty back end of the pen if possible..just not a dire need
Matthew De Lorge
They have been tied to 5 of the 6 major starting pitchers on the market, (Kuechel, Happ, Corbin, Eovaldi and Ryu) along with lower end guys like Cahill. Lets also mention pitchers they have been tied to in trade rumors like all Cleveland’s starters, Bumgarner, Minor, etc. They don’t agree with you on their staff, sorry.
Plus, how many relievers (Britton, Miller, Kimbrel etc.)
The Phillies are not ready to compete with the big players in this division, as they are fighting the Mets for 4th place right now. They are not better than either the Nats or Braves, and that is if they sign Machado or not.
They need a closer and 2 starters, and the closer and one starter needs to be of the impact variety.
Well it’s pretty funny that they are tied to every FA, it’s a rumor site, I’m sure they have their focus. Not hard to imagine an agent using the Phillies stupid money to drive up the market for their Client.
I telling you, you need to dig into the Phillies, and the position that they are in, you are underestimating them. They can accelerate the rebuild timeframe but using their payroll flexibility and Middleton’s war chest. Just sit back and watch, ill Let the Phillies do the talking. You are regurgitating some website , pretty obvious that you are not versed in philly sports, just spotting your mouth off. Take a deeper look, and youll see your comments are out in LF regarding the Phillies.
Please bring the NYY a couple shiny new toys to play with this Christmas. I would like my lineup to fill out as follows this opening weekend…
That’s all for now, I’ll be in touch again for the rotation and bullpen requests.
Have a Manny Christmas and Harper New Year!
Matthew De Lorge
And the Dodgers are great? Nothing like having the one of easiest road to the WS, greater than most any other team in baseball, and doing nothing the past 5 years. All the while analytics is killing the team. Enjoy that mess, especially if you add the drama queen Harper there.
Also want to see how good Kershaw is in two years when you’re paying him $70 mil and he’s no better than a journeyman.
Looks like a great regular season lineup. Power pitcher heaven lineup in the playoffs. 1,2,3 games you are out.
You can make a case for A-Rod being the best SS or 3rd basemen of all time,juicing or not. Victor Cruz was a juicing and he has lead the league since then in most of his power categorys
I think the message I’m getting is no team is particularly interested in meeting Machado’s demands. If Machado had any contract offer he was willing to accept, he would have signed already.
Agents with dollar signs in their eyes looking at Stanton’s contract as a potential target are fooling themselves. Stanton’s contract was because the team owner didn’t care about the price to sign a player who didn’t want to stay with the team.
Harper’s 10 year $300M offer is bigger than any contract either player will sign at this point. My guess is Harper’s market has collapsed to a 7-8 year $240M contract and Machado will be in at a similar value.
I think he goes to the Dodgers under their terms 5-7 years AAV 40 million if he wants max cash its a Cano contract from a bad team. If Harper wants to win, 7 280 will be the max but if Dodgers offer 5 200 with team options for years 6 & 7 at 40 million he might take it.
I know many will disagree, but I see manny as the Carmelo Anthony of baseball and really hope my team passes on him.
That is probably the best comparison ever.
Wont be a phillie
I’d rather have been a fly on the wall than to know the lengths of the meetings and dinners. If MM started fidgeting and checking his watch towards the end of the meeting/dinner, regardless of how long they were, he ain’t going to sign with that club.
My guess is Machado signs first (with the Phillies) Then Harper gets a slightly larger deal from the White Sox. Those are the two teams desperate enough & with enough resources to throw around to swing the extreme finances necessary. In addition the Phillies have a chance of contending with either player, given the resurrection of the farm system (they bought the farm… in reverse). and their free agent signings to date