DEC. 15: Atlanta hasn’t discussed Realmuto with the Marlins in the past five days, and the Braves don’t plan on picking up talks again, Mark Bowman of MLB.com tweets. That runs counter to a prior report suggesting the Braves are at the head of the race for Realmuto.
DEC. 13: The Marlins have made some progress in winnowing the field for backstop J.T. Realmuto, per Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald (via Twitter). Still, though, six teams remain involved, per the report: the Reds, Mets, Rays, Braves, Dodgers, and Padres.
Certainly, the Mets have been the most visibly aggressive organization to this stage. The New York club has created quite a few off-the-wall possibilities along the way, some of which involve other teams. That makes it relatively unsurprising to hear that they’ve cycled back to prior talks with the Padres regarding Noah Syndergaard in a possible three-team deal, per SNY.tv’s Andy Martino (Twitter link).
Previously, the Mets reportedly danced around possible deals along these same lines with the Yankees. Also, earlier in the winter, the Mets and Pads were unable to line up on a two-team arrangement that would have sent Syndergaard out west, with the San Diego organization unwilling to part with top prospect Fernando Tatis Jr. It seems quite unlikely that Tatis is now available, so presumably other pieces from a loaded Padres farm would be utilized.
While the Mets are obviously pushing to win in the near-term, the Marlins would certainly have the ability to be a bit more patient with pre-MLB assets. For the Padres, meanwhile, Syndergaard would obviously represent a much-sought-after staff ace. Importantly, too, he’d be under team control for three seasons at an affordable rate of pay.
It’s hard to gauge the likelihood of a deal coming together between this trio of teams, though, particularly with so many other previous scenarios falling apart and other organizations still involved. Presumably, the Marlins remain emboldened to continue holding Realmuto while waiting for a rival to jump at their reportedly high asking prices.
For now, the stalemate continues, though there’s obviously still quite a bit of movement afoot. As Marlins president of baseball ops Michael Hill puts it to Wells Dusenbury of the Sun-Sentinel (via Twitter), “anything can gain traction at any moment.” For the Mets, meanwhile, there continue to be ongoing reports that the team has interest in quite a few other backstops, and it’s at least questionable whether it’d be sensible to prioritize Realmuto if it means losing Syndergaard.
Please, someone just trade for the guy. I’m tired of this deal taking up 90% of the time on the MLB network !!!!
Stanton 2017 redux.
Derek Jeter still trying to figure out who he will gift the Yankees this year. Why not Realmuto?
Idiodic post
It’s always worth a chuckle when people misspell words like idiotic while insulting others.
Oh BURN
I uhgree, BrandunBrayvs
But I heard grammar and spelling doesn’t matter because we’re not in school. lulz
Hey! Another burner account of someone who was banned.
I thought the same thing.
Stanton contract looks like it’s underwater, and they got some decent prospects in return. No clue why you think that’s a bad deal for Miami
They got 2 prospects who both were terrible in 2018. The only thing “decent” about them is they are young.
And they rid themselves of $260 million for a player, as great as he is, could not make them win by himself.
Stanton was as good as traded the very second the ink of his signature was dry on the contract because everyone with even 1% of a brain knew that there was no way the Marlins would be able to compete with that albatross contract on their books.
Everything you said is correct. But it’s a shame that a team like the Marlins is even able to operate that way. It sucks that several teams basically exist as a AAAA feeder for the big market teams.
Maybe MLB shouldn’t be letting people like Jeter buy teams in the first place if they can’t afford to pay out on the existing contracts. It’s not like it’s a secret that Stanton was on the payroll when he purchased the club.
Regardless, it’s still going to give off the look of Jeter helping out his former team which is a bad look for MLB.
Marlins wouldn’t accept this deal either
When Jeter’s group is the one that was able to provide the money that Jorge Mas has confirmed that he was not able to do, then MLB has to sell the team to that group. The only way that Jeter isn’t the Marlins owner today is if, years ago, Bud Selig didn’t pull off the shady deal that sent Loria from Montreal to Miami; Henry to Boston; and the Expos to DC…all the while blocking multiple ownership hopefuls from bidding on the 3 teams because they wanted to keep Loria and Henry in the ‘Good Ole Boy Network’ while not wanting Mark Cuban and Gustavo Cisneros outbidding people for the Red Sox and Marlins at the time. When they pushed those two big boys away from the MLB table with that shady deal, it sent us to the next tier of ownership groups to bid on every MLB team that came afterward who would be interested in Miami, after the pool thinned out after 3 new ownerships were settled in DC, Houston, and L.A. since that underhanded deal.
Can’t blame the current MLB leadership for that. That was all Bud Selig’s leadership that caused this.
Regardless, I think it sorts out. I wouldn’t be surprised if, at some point since everyone is starting to play nice, if Jorge Mas is allowed to jump in with the Sherman/Jeter group to bring in the full revenue he was going to bring in had he won the bid.
You nailed it, NJbird. How is it good for baseball that a new owner comes in and instantly guts a team? Jeter inherited a loaded team with Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Realmuto, Gordon(and others) and promptly tore it all down. I wonder what the commissioner thought about that?
I would only give up Rosario and that it for JT. You got 1 ML(2B) player for the 3 OF your team traded last year. 2 Of them MVPs. So take Rosario & be happy. THAT ALL I WOULD GIVE UP.
It also sucks that half the teams in MLB operate similar.
Exactly if Yankees had do over wouldn’t take Stanton
Dude they got out from under $295 M that would’ve handicapped the team had they had to pay the remaining 10 years. Think logically for once before making dumb comments.
The Marlins got Castro who put up a 3.3 WAR and .278/.329/.400/.729 slash line in 2018 in the Stanton trade.
Guzman had an uptick in his velocity from 97 to 103 and lost his control. He still had a 4.03 ERA and 2.85 FIP. He only gave up 84 hits in 96 IP and had a 9.5 K/9. His problem was a 6.0 BB/9. He is 22 and he throws 103 mph. He has time. He is still a great prospect. The only question is will he be a starter or a dominant closer?
Devers was the youngest position player in the Sally League at the start of the 2018 season. He hit .273/.313 in 362 PA and played plus defense. He has no power, but he is a decent prospect.
Stanton is now a DH and with that move, his value is dropping. His 4.0 WAR in 2018 was probably as high as you can expect from him going forward because he will not be playing half his season in the OF anymore.
As of today, the Marlins have received 3.3 WAR and a $15 million payroll savings for 2018. The Yankees have received 4.0 WAR from that trade. The two prospects are so young that we won’t know for 3-4 years how they are going to pan out,
And then there is the part that Gary Denbo is the one that got to select those prospects…from the farm system he built before he got the job from the Marlins. So, I think he knows his own guys.
But the sheep like to go with the cliché national media templates about the Marlins rather than actually learn about what really is happening.
Oh yeah, and we could even add how there was no way the Marlins would’ve been able to contend because our pitching stunk, and had no chance of repair after the death of Jose Fernandez because Ace pitchers aren’t easily available and don’t grow on trees.
But it’s easy for the sheep to ignore that while listening to E!SPN and FOX Sports, who only know about the Yankees and Red Sox, with some crumbs for the Mets.
No matter who bought the club, their first logical move was shedding the large contracts, genius.
How do you know that? The Marlins were a couple pieces away from being a real contender. Perhaps a different owner might have recognized that.
Handicapped them how?
From paying their other young stars? Yeah you’re right. They needed Stanton’s money to pay Yelich and Ozuna.
The Marlins are a disgrace. The fans down there deserve better.
That team was far from loaded. They hadn’t even been 500 in years.
I live here and the fans suck unless they put a winner out there fans don’t show When they are good fans can’t afford to go All celebrities are
at World Series Games they built and air conditioned stadium to buying more fans in No help the fans here don’t deserve a team know
Yeah at least they got the cousin of a good prospect.
We talked about this here when the trade first happened. If the Marlins had kept Stanton and the rest of the guys their payroll would have been $150 million in 2018. Their revenue is just over $200 million.. That means just keeping those players together without adding those “couple of pieces” would have meant the team lost $50 million. No team can lose that percentage of their revenue and stay in business. The couple of pieces they would have needed to compete would have been the top starting pitchers on the market. Another $40-50 million in losses.
Good move that will never happen. Glad you are such a skilled negotiator.
Who cares what MLB thought. It’s the owner’s team.
Maybe, MLB should quit putting teams im market with no fans
Sherman is the owner, Jeter only chipped in $25 mil I think. and he’s paying himself back right away
they can keep Realmuto.
I agree marlin fanbase, Since Selig has been Baseball’s commissioner there has been the good old boy network of ownership and rules in baseball. What is best for baseball is never considered with these owners. They pick who is going to make them the most money out of baseball other than what is good for the franchise and baseball as a whole. That is why the Florida teams have so many problems and no parity.
Why the “!” After the E? Just curious. Well stated by the way.
wrong–if no one is in your stadiums then you get nothing. IF YOUR STADIUMS ARE FULL EVERY GAME Then you get some. Now Florida is a hard state to get people to go to a game because –well why–is it because the stadium are in places that are not easy to get to-maybe-or players done stay around-very much so–or is there so many other things to do–probably–or is it a SR population–NO–maybe because they Fish have no TV contract except for FOX–YES
If it happens MLB needs to step in and block the trade, and Jeter should be suspended. It’s obvious what’s going on!
Considering that the trade rumors involving the Yankees always center around the Yankees sending a package that is headlined by Gary Sanchez, I’m not sure why MLB would block that.
And the conspiracy stuff is very childish. Hmmm…a man spends millions of dollars in order to invest in a team, so he can help another team. Works in kiddie fantasy land, but not in grown-up reality world.
Leading the way for the dumbest post of the month, and top five for the year.
Why would the Yankees trade Sanchez for realmuto? Sanchez is better
You are right, It is silly
To think someone would do that .
He’s “better” as long as you ignore the whole catching aspect of the job.
He received 4 million to ‘work’ for the team and will ‘earn’ his meager investment back. He’s a figurehead.
If you’re speaking about Jeter you couldn’t be farther from the truth. Where did you get any of that from?
He probably got it from E!SPN. We know how much that is worth.
Sanchez is a terrible catcher! He is a DH playing catcher. Realmuto is better
Better? That’s just hilarious. You do know that Sanchez led the league in passed balls by a pretty nice margin playing in around just 78 games behind the plate right?
As well as the hitting aspect of the job.
billneftleberg — you do know that Sanchez LEAD ALL OF MLB IN PASSBALLS IN ONLY 76 GAMES AS A CATCHER—If he was a 1B ok but not a Catcher–what pitcher wants to throw to him—none—
Cashman knows. That’s why he’s quietly trying to figure out a way to upgrade his defense at catcher. Yankees already have worst defensive 3B in baseball. Maybe having the worst catcher, as well, isn’t the best idea?
Only a moron thinks Jeter is gifting anyone to the Yankees
Yeah, he really drove a hard bargain while he pissed away the reigning NL MVP. You have it right.
Yankees don’t want Realmuto. They want Syndergaard
I keep seeing reports of the Yankees in the mix on Realmuto, regardless of what Cashman is saying.
PinstripedPride—NOT GOING TO GET HIM—-THOR IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE—-
Who did he gift the Yankees last year? Don’t say Stanton. Remember how much money the guy is owed.
Sounds like a great idea.
Stanton had a full no trade clause.
That gave him leverage
Omg yes! He’s not anything special
Dito… enough is enough of Marlins and there catcher
Keep Thor. Sign Grandal. Get a lefty arm in the pen. Play ball!
100%. Thor for Realmuto is a lateral move, at the very best. I don’t get it.
Thor has been injured the last couple of years, and you don’t know what you’re going to get. Realmuto has been healthy, and is one of the best at his position.
And you’ve got to wonder why Thor’s previous agent is now trying so hard to trade him, now that he is a GM. It makes one think that, when he was Thor’s agent, he had access to medical information that, while he can never disclose due to agent/client contractual agreements, he still knows it and can make moves based on it…as long as it can never be proven to be due to the agent information that no other GM will have access to.
Van Wagenen retaining any of his former clients, particularly those who are going through the arbitration process or are nearing extension discussions would pose a major conflict of interest.
So he has to trade all of his former clients, including deGrom and Thor? That’s ridiculous.. They’ve already said that he will recuse himself from contract and arbitration discussions with them.
MarlinsFanBase–He still started 26 games in 2018 and that was with management holding him back because they were out of the race. Why burn him. He still pitched 154 innings- only 46 innings from the holy grail of 200 innings—produce a Marlin Pitcher. Only 1 I could think of 1. Get fans to come to your games.
Grandal will cost us a draft pick so NO. Maldonado I like better. very good D, cost less and younger. He’s not a hitter but when you build a team around pitching D is the most important thing.
Understood. Along with loss of international pool money. But to lose a conforto nimmo or Rosario or worst of all Thor just to protect some second round roll of the dice makes no sense to me. Sign Grandal.
Still only going to win about 80-84 games.
A three team involving Realmuto, Syndergaard and Padres prospects is actually pretty interesting. Besides Tatis, it could be anyone going. Would guess Mejia to Miami + 2 others
Biggest offseason move would be Jeff Coupon selling the team.
Realmuto to Mets
Syndergaard to Padres
Renfroe, Quantrill, Mejia, Perdomo to Marlins
I could live with this deal.
Of course you could, you’re a Pads fan. The Mets essentially trade Syndergaard for for Realmuto. Mets got screwed on this deal
I didn’t post the suggestion and yes, as a Padre fan I would be happy with it.
Uh, trading Syndergaard and getting Realmuto is not getting screwed in a deal. For all you know, Syndergaard is injured in a way that doesn’t show on medicals, but the new Mes GM that is his former agent may know this, so that’s why he’s been trying to move him.
Pretty sure he can get suspended for that. AJ Preller did two years ago and at the time, it was a grey area in the rules that they have since amended to make the rules pretty black and white.
He can get suspended if he gets caught. Being a former agent for a player you inherit as a GM is a whole different ballgame of trying to prove guilt.
As a GM, you are required to reveal the medicals that you have as a GM, not items that you do not have as a GM.
As a former agent, you are not allowed to reveal medical information that violates your agent/client confidentiality agreement.
If there is something known via the agent/client relationship that does not appear in medicals done for a teams records, the GM would be legally covered to not release it because it does not appear in a basic physical for a trade, and also, he is required to never violate a confidentiality agreement that he had as an agent.
He could pull this off. And the fact that he’s clearly trying to move Syndergaard has the odor of him knowing something about Syndergaard, that is not appearing in medicals for some reason, but something enough for him to want to move him.
If he is traded and gets injured the matter will be investigated. And if they find anything it will be worse than what Preller got considering Preller was operating in a grey area at the time and the rules he broke were more of the unwritten variety but have since become actual written rules.
That’s true, but how do you get any judge to allow for a reveal of something that is covered by agent/client confidentiality?
That’s the tricky part.
Idk, report that BVW was acting in bad faith but keep the nature of Thor’s condition on a need-to-know basis?
In any event, if BVW is indeed acting in bad faith I doubt he is long for the job. The fact that he is putting himself and his former client in that position in the first place after what happened with the Padres and after the rules were amended to be more explicit would be enough.
Even with operating in bad faith, would that be enough to get a judge to order a reveal or release of things? This isn’t a homicide. This is just baseball, unless they could tie it to a chargeable felony.
Also, what if not a medical discovery issue, but maybe something along the lines of PED or drug use that Brodie is pretty sure is going to lead to a decline or unstable career?
Again, they don’t have to reveal anything. Just that BVW did know something but didn’t disclose it.
The missing info on the players Preller got suspended for was that they had been taking Ibuprofen. If that is bad enough to get him suspended then something that would actually lead to a decline would absolutely need to be disclosed to the acquiring team.
Thor is too much to give up for JT. So that a NO to SD. And SD giving the Mets nothing. Why would we need SD. The Marlins would jump on Thor for JT. Also Catcher get hurt the most, so injures; that a big risk on a Catcher. He’s good, but when did a Catcher LEAD a team to a W/S.
They’d just have to trade Thor to someone else
Johnny Bench , Yogi Berra and Carlton Fisk come to mind.
In NY they’ve been talking about trading Thor and or DeGrom for about a year know.Thor has a history of injuries. It would make sense for any Met gm to explore what he could get for Thor now and weigh that haul against the risk/reward of keeping Thor.I hate the Mets and I understand that. You don’t have to have”inside info”to know that
Syndergaard for Realmuto straight up is screwing the Marlins. The best catcher in baseball is worth more than an often injured starter. Have to start more than 32 games every OTHER season to be worth what the Mets are asking.
bababooeytoyall–Bench has 3 other HOF player-soooo NO, & Yogi TOO, Fish never won a W/S and he also wasn’t the top players on the team that lost to the reds. BUT YOU HAS TO GO BACK TO THE 70S to come up with them.
hell no
No way the Mets only get Realmuto while trading away Syndergaard
Syndergaard is more valuable than Realmuto. So something more would have to be going to the Mets.
A player from SD probably goes to the Mets…..probably one of the Padres’ surplus OF’s
we don’t need a 1/2 azzed OF. We need a RH CF who can hit. SD or the Marlins don’t have that
Pollock anybody?
Straight up, in a vacuum value?
The amount of games played should matter.. Positional need, making a run at a title, health…. These are all real world considerations
Does anyone remember Mark Prior????
Thor has the skills to pay the bills. This Realmuto kid is the real deal too though. Thor isn’t a top 10 mlb starter, Realmuto is. Thor pitches once a week, that does the Marlins rebuild no good. The Mets desperately need a catcher. The one we are talking about is a top 3 mlb catcher.
Come on people. What are we in church??? Are we just going to keep pulling all of these out of context stats and continue throwing them against the wall claiming to have found the answers?!?
Even with Thor’s injuries and only playing once every 5 days when healthy, he has produced almost as much WAR over the past 3 seasons as JTR. Then he has an extra year of control.
Trying to argue that Thor isn’t worth much is a losing proposition..
I’m just trying to point out that the Marlins and Mets are in two very different situations. Likely giving them different goals and thus making them search for quantity over quality. Thor for Realmuto is tough to gauge here. JT is exactly what the Mets need. And they have stated as much. Thor has been dangled about and pitching is a surplus for the Mets. The Marlins won’t be looking for a pitcher of Thor’s caliber for at least another 3 years
It’s just the situation here. That’s why the Padres involvement makes sense. They have a glut of prospects, which is all the Marlins are interested in right now. This is what makes the Thor for Realmuto straight up trade laughable
swinging friars-funny how you say Thor isn’t a top 10 player when MLB network has him as a top 3 NL pitcher & Ron Darling (who played in the ML-did you) said he wouldn’t give Thor up for ANYONE. Now what pitcher has JT helped. I mean Yadier Molina HAS MADE pitchers better. JT hasn’t. He hasn’t made 1 pitcher better. In 2015/2016 if he was soooooo good why couldn’t he make 1 pitcher better. If he could the Marlins would have been in the playoffs. NAME 1 PITCHER HE MADE BETTER OR NAME A PITCHER WHO SAYS THEY LOVE THROWING TO HIM, JUST 1
I don’t believe anyone said Thor top 3 when he wasn’t close to top 3 in Cy Young voting in NL. I guess in your mind it goes DeGrom Snell Thor and then those other bums like Scherzer Verlander Kluber Sale Nola etc. Also in case you didn’t know Darling is a former Met who does color analysis for the Mets so no bias there. .With Thors injury history and recent stats while a good pitcher he is clearly not top 10 let alone top 3
Realmuto plays at a position of greater need and has a full point more WAR since their rookie seasons in 2015. Syndergaard’s WAR with his injuries is not a selling point for more value, its a clear warning of lower value. The extra year would be nice if anyone believed he is going to make more than 30 starts a season for all 3 seasons. His history says he won’t because he hasn’t done it once so far.
The need for the team creates the intrinsic value of the player. The Padres need for a catcher is almost nil. Their need for a front line pitcher is huge. Thus making Thor more valuable.
That’s highly debatable…and after two straight injured seasons, not accurate.
Not likely. The singular best catcher in baseball is much more valuable than a starter that has never finished a season without a trip to the DL and has just 32 starts in the last 2 seasons. Realmuto had a 4.3 WAR vs Syndergaard’s 4.0 in 2018 and the difference grows when you take into account the past 4 seasons. This is not a contest, Realmuto is worth significantly more than Syndergaard.
The best catcher in baseball is more valuable than any often injured starter. Now maybe if Thor had been throwing 200 innings the past 3 years then you could say he was as valuable as Realmuto. Realmuto has a higher WAR and he has been healthy. Both point to the fact that Realmuto is more valuable.
Even with the injuries Thor only has 0.4 less WAR than JTR over the past 3 years and has an extra year of control.
so Mets give up Thor and all we get is Realmulto?? I dont think so..
You want Trout too?
If the Marlins had Trout they would have traded him for low level minor leaguers who would never make the ML
He is a Mets fan. They are all delusional. If they weren’t, they would be Yankees fans.
If we were Yank fans, we’d be trying to sell our Carl Pavano Yankee jerseys on EBay as Baseball Artifacts.
This ain’t it chief.
Marlins wouldn’t accept this deal either
Bad deal for the NY at least throw Quantril the Mets way because Thor is worth more than JT. But Mejia(#26 top 100 prospect)+Renfroe(2.5WAR 25-35 hr power,great arm wont be a FA til 2023) and a groundball pitcher like perdomo should be plenty for the Marlins.
1. Realmuto is worth more than Syndergaard
2. Why are the Marlins even involved if the mets aren;t pitching in anything of value.
This almost seems like it could be done
Padres get Syndergaard
Mets get Mejia, Logan Allen, Gabriel Arias, Austin Allen, and Travis Jankowski
Then ship Mejia and other prospects in a separate deal to the Marlins for Realmuto.
1fifh2fifthRed5thblue5th None of those guys would help the Mets. Keep your SD trash. Has SD ever been a good team. Don’t be made at the Mets for Winfield signing with the Yankees. And who has Brown as a team color. That’s the color of Sh$t.
Both Mejia and Logan Allen are top 100 prospects with great track records in the minors. Mejia would be your best prospect and is a switch hitting catcher with 6 years of control and Allen will be pitching next year not a bad get
5th – Speaking the truth will get you much hate from Mets fans.
The Mets are not going to be getting both of the Padres catching prospects in trade. Syndergaard for the rest of that package makes sense.
Thor is too much to give up for JT. So that a NO to SD. And SD giving the Mets nothing. Why would we need SD. The Marlins would jump on Thor for JT.
The Marlins will be looking for Thor in about 5 years… No need for him now
what are you going to sign him with. When SD spends money it low amounts. and in 5 years he’ll be 31 so maybe he’ll want to retire and play with a lesser team in a less market like SD.
I’d love to see Thor in a Padre uniform.. Prellar has been spending $$, so long as he is in charge I can see a Thor extension happening
The Marlins are different story. Again….In about 5 years the Marlins will be done rebuilding and on the lookout for someone like Thor
Hey Metfan I guess the Mets throw money around like water.Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
Mets better be getting more than Realmuto for Thor
Padres?!?!?!? Why? They have zero…and I mean zero pitching. Why trade for an in-prime catcher with only 2 years of control that you won’t be able to extend? So they can win 71 games instead of 68? But then again, I couldn’t explain Eric Hosmer either.
time to brush up on that reading comprehension
I don’t think Realmuto is looking to hit free agency in 2 seasons, he’ll be 30. His camp will probably be looking to extend with the team he gets traded to.
You think anybody is gonna give Grandal 4 years? They probably want to sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal. Realmuto would get more years if he signs an extension.
Wait and see what the Grandal contract will be. Everybody will say wow they got him cheap, but really he is an below average catcher (offense/defense) its all hype.
Yea that 9 WAR he provided over the past 4 years would of really put the Padres over the top. haha
What else is the Mets getting it can’t be just Realmuto for Syndergaard the Mets better be getting at least Gore or Paddack from SD and maybe Brinson from Miami Or a Bp arm with Miami getting Mejia plus a prospect from SD
I’m not sure who is more valuable between Realmuto and Syndergaard. But no way in hell the Mets give up Syndergaard and receive Realmuto and any combo of Gore/Paddock/Brinson/Mejia
thank you
These meetings are a dud.
I agree 100%. In year’s past, the overall #1 free agent usually signed at the Winter Meetings. I still remember frantically refreshing the year Pujols signed. But this year, not only did very little happen, but there was very little news regarding Harper and even less about Machado.
I think a big part of the problem is that the meetings are not even taking place in winter. They need to push them back a few weeks, perhaps the first or second week of January. It’s just too early.
Anytime Boras is involved with a top free agent his client does NOT sign early. Last off season Boras had several of the top 10 free agents and it helped (it wasn’t the only factor of course) to bog down the winter.
Lot of drinking and prostitutes going on I’m afraid. It is Vegas after all.
Another big problem is the sportscenter hype machine. It’s not just espn… They all seem to just to post their latest day dream. And the worst part of it all is that they never vet the dreams! Half of these articles are total hog wash! It’s all hype
Best way to a fantasy championship? Turn off the tv
Liberal media at it’s best.
Or like sportscaster Biff Barf always said…..
” I call them the way I see them ..if I don’t see them, I make them up!”
Biff Barf sports at 2:55
youtu.be/a3YB1CYBCCQ
ey had to pawn the Pinto to pay for her bunion cream.
This is a trade RUMORS site, bud.
How is MLB liberal media. Sounds like what they’re doing is more in line with Trumps MO
The “pot calling the kettle black” is back in style. Bigly!
It’s hard to figure out what to do with someone crying “snowflakes!”
Pinto?
I saw her & jellyman in a ’74 Chevy Vega.
They’re are saving up for a 78 Ford Fiesta to drive to Yellowstone.
How can you be in two places at once, when you’re not anywhere at all?
I.m not a Mets fan but why would Mets who appear to be going for it trade Thor.That really weakens there best asset starting pitching while not making them a great hitting team
In this 3 way trade proposal, if Mets are happy trading Thor and only receiving Realmuto, then why hasn’t a straight up trade Thor for Realmuto happen? Don’t believe this is happening!
They both may be above average… But one plays 6 days a week and the other 1. One of the players is top 3 at his position the other is a great personality for tv.
There are many reasons why Thor for Realmuto straight up isn’t happening
Here’s another, Miami is rebuilding and really couldn’t use Thor in a way to maximize the risk they would be taking on
I’m not one to call people Homers……but you Met’s fans are drinking the cool-aid right now
Yes, because teams have never traded everyday players for those silly once a week pitchers.
Do I need to list all the many reasons why Thor for Realmuto will never happen?
Thor is great. He is absolutely not worth Realmuto straight up. Especially not for a team in full rebuild mode
No but the rationale you’re using is just stupid. Kershaw plays once a week and he’s been the face of the Dodgers for the better part of a decade.
Thor is no Kershaw. Kershaw took the ball every fifth day for years. Thor has never finished a full season without spending time on the DL. Kershaw had 716 IP in 116 games to the same point in his career. Thor has 518 IP in 86 games. The difference is that Kershaw had pitched essentially a full season more baseball to the same point in his career than Thor has. Thor has thrown an average of 21 games a season and just 123 innings the past 3 seasons. That is not enough to be called an Ace. Thor has outstanding stuff. Some of the best in baseball. Unfortunately for his value in trade, Thor has been injured every season of his MLB career. For Mets fans that think he is going to get a return like Chris Sale got for the White Sox or even that Chris Archer got for the Rays, you are in for a disappointment. Being healthy and taking the ball every 5th day is one of the most valuable things a starting pitcher can do. Thor has not been able to do that.
outinleftfield–Thor also was never HAMMERED IN EVERY PLAYOFF GAME HE PITCHED LIKE KERSHAW.. Everyone who’s not a MET FAN may not know BUT IN 16 WHEN Thor WAS OUT WAS DUE TO HIM BULKING UP TOO MUCH WITH THE DESIRE TO HELP THE METS WIN. . He’s older & wiser now—-
AHHHHHHHHH ALL CAPS AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Thor goes to the Pads, Realmuto goes to the Mets, and SD prospects go to MIA, the Mets are essentially trading Thor for Realmuto straight up. If the Mets get a prospect back from SD as well, that would change things.
Yes, good point
I don’t believe the Marlins would see it that way though. The Marlins are likely asking for a slew of prospects. Thor is just one man. I think a bunch of prospects is what Miami is looking for, hence the Padres getting involved
If this is how it goes down, I believe this is a steal for the Mets. I’m stoked for my Padres getting Thor.. However the Mets announced their intentions and would have got exactly what they wanted. Kudos to the new gm if he does pull this off
Reminds me a lot of the start of the Preller era in SD. Hope the first year goes better for you Mets! **That was crazy fun though!!
Swinging Friars, Now I undetrstand why the Pods never win. It’s not that Thor Pitches every 6th day, it’s Degrom(day 1), thor(day(2), Wheeler(day(3)Matz(day(4)-Lugo/Gazzelmen(Day5) and then all over again. I asked for 1 pitcher that JT helped or 1 pitcher who says they like pitching to him—-GIVE ME JUST 1
The “only pitches once a week” comment really left me open there…. I get it.
The point I was trying to make is that the Mets say they need a catcher. The Marlins don’t even know when their next “window” is opening.
So the Mets get an everyday player who is a top 3 player at his position. Thor while great, is not even a top 10 at his position. The Mets have a surplus at SP and have been shopping Thor. Miami is building for the future
Thor may be great but isn’t needed right now in Miami. The two teams stated goals alone is enough to figure out that this straight up thing would never happen. Miami wants a bunch of players in return, not just 1 stud
This is a very skewed argument. Straight up valuations won’t work here. The two team’s goals are so very different
Cuz why would the rebuilding Marlins want Thor?
The Marlins really have no need for a starting pitcher with only 3 years of control.
You really gotta lay off the thesaurus, man.
even if the padres did acquire syndergaard, i’ve got a feeling i’d still be disappointed in the transaction.
Van Wagenen seems to have a real hard on for Realmuto lol…to a fault!!
As a Marlins fan, I’m very happy. We need someone that is determined to run the bidding high in order for us to get the package that we want for Realmuto.
Should be interesting to see which players actually change teams, and how each team is compensated “for what they give up”.
Tough to figure. Marlins want a veteran catcher, and a SS?
Looks like the Mets get Realmuto and maybe a player from the Padres?
The Padres get Syndergaard.
The Marlins get……???
Luis Urias, Cal Quantril, and Travis d’Arnaud???
No matter what, from the Mets, the Marlins will be getting either Rosario or Conforto or Nimmo along with d’Arnaud. From the Padres, we’ll see.
I disagree including Syndergaard in a trade eliminates those three from the deal most likely, otherwise might as well trade two of the three and keep Syndergaard
Reds will get Realmuto. Flip him along with a prospect to the Mets for Syndergaard and Nimmo. Reds would fill their rotation needs and OF. Maybe get Gray if the cost is not that much. Watch out for the Reds in 2019.
Dude Syndergaard and nimmo ? Seriously
I’m completely not convinced that Syndergaard plus the catchers they have isnt better that Realmuto plus whatever pitcher they would get off the free agent market to replace him.
There is no realistic permutation of a deal that I am going to like for the Mets
When does this just get to be to rich for the Mets. Doing this trade just seems to create more holes then fixes. Why not do something like sign Maldonado for the defense and go out and get a guy like Adam Jones for the outfield. Jones numbers in the offense side are similar to realmuto and it addresses a problem they would have anyways because nobody knows about cespedes health.
My thought is that all of these options are being discussed by the teams but the media only give us the big name stuff because they are looking for headlines and retweets.
Remember we aren’t in the room so we don’t really have anything to go by other than what the writers give us.
Agree, their job is to stir interest and draw ratings. I would just think that a team like the Mets need to look and say does this really make us better, and I think when you’re potentially subtracting young mlb roster pieces like what’s being reported doesn’t improve your chances. Especially when you look and see free agents sitting out there who probably won’t break the bank on contracts and can make you better then that is the probably the way to go.
you can’t be serious, comparing Jones to Realmuto. The overall #’s aren’t that close, first of all. Secondly, their career trajectories are going in the opposite directions. Thirdly, JTR has been a 7 WAR player the last 2 seasons. Jones isn’t at 3. The offense you get at catcher is so much more valuable than a corner OF spot (where Jones belongs, and his defense is subpar even there).
People still bank on Jones because it’s a name they know. For what you get on the field there are far, far better options. Maldanado is a fine defensive catcher, a real nice on even, but his offense is anemic.
So it’s not a comparison of which one is the better overall player. Of course JT is better player. My point is is this, factor in the pieces you have to move to what you’re getting (granted it’s all based on reports) but does adding JT make you better from that stand point. He could have the greatest WAR ever but if the overall team isn’t better it still doesn’t win them anything. So my point is by adding pieces like those or even say pollack instead doesn’t that make more sense to the Mets roster. I like realmuto I just don’t know for what the Mets give up it makes sense versus signing pieces.
Insofar as the Mets are concerned, it’s Realmuto for Syndergaard, a crappy deal.
Doesn’t make any sense to trade away Noah. Especially after the Cano/Diaz trade and now signing Familia. Keep the young controllable outfielders who are our best hitters and sign Grandal. Then finish the offseason with signing Jones or Pollock. #2019Mets
I’m gonna have to rule that Thor has more trade value than JTR. Even with the injuries, Thor has produced only 0.4 WAR less than JTR over the past 3 seasons and of course, he has the extra year of control.
The real issue tipping the scales is the Miami rebuild taking place. Thor just doesn’t bring what they need. He is a stud, and on it’s surface sure they are close. But the situation calls for a return of prospects not a stud tor pitcher
Why do people like that WAR crap. If JT is a +7 war over the last 3 years & the Marlins had 2 MVP OF plus a 100 RBI guy is RF didn’t they make the playoffs. SOME GUYS LOOK GOOD ON PAPER BUT THOR HAS BEEN TO 1 W/S AND MADE 2 PLAYOFFS IN HIS JUST UNDER 4 YEARS IN THE ML.
mets gonna want Gore and/or Tatis in addition to Realmulto for Thor.. straight up Realmulto for Thor is not happening..
Are you sure that you don’t want Trout too?
Does anyone think that Realmuto will be the first player placed in the HOF without taking a vote? Should he get his own wing at Cooperstown? Will they rename Cooperstown after him or possibly create a new award and name it after him?
I don’t know why he isn’t in already
If he is Thor will be second
Thor is only 25 and has yet to pitch 200 innings in a season. I still feel he is a risk due to past injuries. Trading Realmuto straight up to me seems like a fair trade. However, Thor is only 25 and could mature into a top 5 pitcher in the NL or AL if he’s ever traded to the junior circuit.
how many pitcher under 25 pitch 200 innings. Better yet how many pitchers pitch 200 innings.
Warning Track was being nice. Thor has only pitched over a 155 innings once and he’s never thrown more than 185 innings
There are many who reach or surpass the 200 inning mark. In 2018 13 pitchers in the MLB hit that mark.
Pretty sure Freeland did it this year, he’s 25,. Can’t say how many 25 and under pitchers did,, probably not many.
I bet among pitchers his own age Syndergaard is top 3.in innings pitched. That should say something about his talent. Most of those innings have been pretty good too.
How about this for all teams involved…
Mets get: Kirby Yates from Padres + JT Realmuto
Padres get: Syndergaard
Marlins get: Mejia, Renfroe and Michael Baez + 1 mid level prospect from Padres
good until Baez. to include him would be an overpay. You know that Renfroe has yet to reach his potential but is already a good play. Mejia is just a bottle of potential that hasn’t been tapped. Those two plus 1 mid level should be enough for the Marlins to give up Realmuto.
Nope.
why not? A catcher in return, a mlb outfielder, and a prospect. What more can you possibly want??? Mejia is all stud. If you haven’t had a chance to see him play, definitely go find some film.. The guy can rake and has a cannon for an arm. As a Padre fan I would hate to see him go and would hope for a return at least as good as what they gave up for him. Hand and Cimber was a lot. I’m not sure why everyone expects Mejia to get flipped
Renfroe doesn’t seem to be the type of piece that helps our rebuild as he will be 27 next year. Baez is 22 and got ripped in AA. Mejia makes sense.
Baez got ripped?
He was a stud for most of the year. Are you referencing the few games when he returned from injury?? Plus he’s pitching in the most hitter friendly league in the minors
27 seems to be the point when hitters start to put it together. Younger is something special, very few are studs with the bat by 27. This age window thing is starting to get annoying. Guys are not spent at 30, nor are they prime studs at 25. These guys get out of college around age 22. Spend 4 or 5 seasons in the minors and start their careers on the decline somehow because they are old? Renfroe has at least 5 good years left in the tank. More than enough to fit into any contention window
Renfroe may not be enough….however all of the Padres outfielders would be an upgrade for the Marlins and most of them still have that top prospect shine
if renfroe is “too old” they should be fine with taking franchy or reyes then, if that’s their preference. i don’t want to watch renfroe crank 30+ HRs anywhere other than SD
Well, I can understand the side of taking Renfroe because of the bat, but getting him would require our rebuild to be less patient, and would mainly take him out of the window we’re building in. That essentially would be a trade that makes us have to move him later again if we’re not contending by the time he hits 30.
Something tells me the Marlins are going to be stoked after this trade
The Padres’ farm is loaded with the type of guys the Marlins seem to need. My only hope is that Preller finds a way to hold on to everyone i like!
Met’s don’t want a catcher who doesn’t know the NL. As good a Mejia MAYBE, he hasn’t done it in the ML-THAT WHY NO!!
I could see the Dodgers getting it done, they have the talent and the money to lock him up for years.
The Dodgers have the talent, but the Marlins are insisting in Bellinger in that trade.
No offense, but Bellinger for Realmuto is ridiculous.
That said, I don’t blame MIA for trying.
Heist of the century for anyone who gets Thor. Brodie must know something we don’t to want to trade away an ace while posing as a “win now” team.
I keep saying the same thing. Something is fishy in Brodie trying to move Syndergaard. This isn’t the only discussion he’s trying to move him in. Something is wrong here. And I guarantee it’s something that is covered by his agent/client confidentiality agreement from when he was an agent, but is not appearing anywhere else…not even the medicals that would be required upon a trade. Something isn’t right.
I think he is just “Testing the waters”. Seeing what’s plausable.
He is Most likely finding that the marlins are overvaluing JTR, Especially after public opinion of their last few deals last year was a very high. They are looking for a big win this time. The mets are worried that they’re going to be the ones that have to pay it to get what they want.
It’s my opinion that thor has more Value than most Here believe.
It’s probably more likely you trade Wheeler than thor for that reason. There are plenty of other Catching options. As we saw with Posey there’s a decline as age creeps up I don’t think anyone wants to be handing JTR along term deal only to be paying for that Decline. If they sign him to an extension then you have a no trade clause which further muddies the waters with him during his decline years. It might be better just a skip him Altogether.
Serious question here what do you guys think Buster poseys trade value would be right now? What if the mets don’t put a team out there that can win in the next 2 or 3 years then why make this deal.
Id rather keep syndergaard in my rotation and sign a grandal or the like. Thors upside too me has more value. Ive listened to analysts on mlb and they believe that JTRs biggest asset is his bat and I don’t think that’s enough to offset the lost of Thor.
Great points
I would imagine Posey’s worth is far greater to the Giants than any other team in the world. The ask would be insane. Aside from Bumgardner, he is the face of the franchise. And perhaps more important here, he is the face of the past championships
Guys like him probably don’t get traded for this reason. Case in point: Tony Gwynn. My personal hero… Some guys are worth far more to their home team than what their real value is. Tony is a stud and I would never have been ok with the Padres dealing him. Which is the point here. Trading Posey would create so much negative publicity that it probably doesn’t even ever come up in internal conversations. Doesn’t matter if he declines to an average everyday player. He’s Buster Posey, Mr. Giant
Posey has good solid trade value if the Giants are truly willing to move him. The downside of him is the age with the contract. If the Mets are willing to take that contract on, or the Giants just want to move him and are willing to pay some of the contract, then the Mets can get in on him. They would need a defensively strong backup though for days when Posey needs to rest on 1B or DH in AL parks. He brings intangibles and leadership that the Mets could use amongst some of their little princess types.
As for Thor, I too believe that they should keep him. It’s actually the logical move. That’s why I think that your new GM is trying to move him for some other reason that he knows about from his time as his agent.
As for Realmuto, he’s a great add, but you have to contend or he’ll walk in two years. The Mets are a flip of the coin type of team in that regard. In fact, I don’t fully understand why the full steam effort to build a “win now” roster from a team that is clearly flawed in so many ways. I saw this when the Marlins tried to do the same for the 2012 season, and that was a miserable failure of a season. Since they’re in on this effort, the Mets should get in on Realmuto because he’s an add that could help from behind the plate. Offensively, he’s good, but the Mets offense doesn’t have one fix anywhere in MLB. Even if they added Trout or Harper or Machado or any super bat, it won’t be fixed with one guy.
To me, the Mets were better off going with a rebuild. Instead of trading for Cano, signing Familia, and now trying to trade Syndergaard and trying to get Realmuto, they were better off trying to move deGrom and Wheeler. Keep Syndergaard. Move Frazier. Wait to move Cespedes at the deadline. Non-tendered d’Arnaud. Maybe still look at Realmuto if they feel they can be fixed by his walk year.
Aces throw at least 150 innings a year.
He’s pitched 4 seasons and threw 150+ innings in 3 of them. But I understand that clicking on his name is a precious 3 seconds that you simply could not afford to waste.
Jtr overvalued
Thor Undervalued
You know how lame your reply was, because there’s one ace on the Mets.
They are trying to trade from their “surplus” to fill holes
Thor is not the best pitcher on their team and the others behind them are close enough that the Mets feel they can do without him. It’s pretty standard….
It’s gotta be rough to hear your favorite team is looking to trade your favorite player. Believe me, as a Padre fan this is a common offseason feeling
If they can fill a hole or two and still have a great pitching staff, why not?
This smells a lot like what AJ Preller did with the Padres. A splashy first off season to get everyone’s attention, followed by an extensive overhaul. again as a Padre fan…. the madness was a lot of fun. And now we have a core that has us all excited (extended jubilation). Sit back and enjoy the ride Mets fans!
Brodie just wants to keep the Yankees off the back page of the paper. He’s not moving THOR for anyone!!!
Did he tell you this about “THOR” over brunch at the club, or was it during your interview?
Mets fans always concerned what the Yankees are doing..concerning to say the least.
Either trade Thor within the next 24 hours or stop talking about him.
Agreed! Trade Thor or not. Trade Realmuto yesterday so we can move to the rest of the offseason.
Something we can all agree on! ;0)
As a Marlins fan, I’d love to see the Padres involved. Something like:
Mets receive: Realmuto and Renfroe
Marlins receive: Morejohn, Paddack, and Austin Allen
Padres receive: Syndergard
Padres get their ace while keeping the tippy top of their farm.
Mets get their Catcher and a cheap, powerful outfielder (who is a spare part in SD) who mashes lefties, to replace Cespedes until he returns.
Marlins get two young pitching prospects who are incredible and immediately become their top two prospects. Outside of Tatis, they are my two favorite guys in that entire system. Allen becomes the catcher of the future, which he may not have been in SD with Hedges and Mejia both controllable long term.
Too much for a guy who is injury prone. Crazy though that a guy like this is there for the taking. It’d be a dagger if Thor got hurt in year 1 or 2.
Padres2019ha–Thor’s not there for the TAKING-It’s just to keep the Yankees off the back pages of the paper—-
As a fellow Marlins fan, I’m also in the boat of wanting pitching too.
fishman2411-Mets need a CF, Renfroe is a RF and we have a RF already-so NO!
Okay look, I’m a realistic Mets fan that understands that you have to give something to get something. However, with that said, there’s no planet where trading Syndergaard and only receiving Realmuto in return makes sense. So, with that being said, this is the only reasonable proposal that I believe makes sense for everyone. Here’s the 3-way proposal:
Padres get: Noah Syndergaard & Starlin Castro
Mets get: JT Realmuto, Adam Conley & Manuel Margot
Marlins get: Logan Allen, Cal Quantrill, Austin Allen, Dominic Smith & David Peterson
Let me know what you guys think. I feel that both teams give up pieces they can live with and are satisfied with their returns.
padres fan here. upvoted, screen shot comment and sending to preller so he knows what to do. would totally be on board if this were all the players involved in getting this transaction done and completed.
Well, remember this, the inclusion of Castro is clearly a salary dump onto the Padres. That’s why I believe the Padres wouldn’t have to give up any of their Top 5 prospects. As a Mets fan, I love the idea of adding to the bullpen with a quality lefty like Conley and I believe Margot has a chance to flourish in Queens. The Marlins get their young, controllable player in Dominic Smith who’s in desperate need of a change of scenery as well as stock up on quality prospects. The Marlins farm system is so bad, I wouldn’t be surprised if all of these prospects made their Top 10. It’s what a rebuilding team is supposed to do.
We don’t want garbage Smith. It’s either Rosario, Nimmo, or Conforto or trade Realmuto to someone else.
NO, the Marlins are Thinking about Rosario & someone more—-THOR IS NOT GOING ANY PLACE FOR ANYONE—–
You’re sadly mistaken. The Marlins are coming to the realization that NO ONE is going to overpay for a catcher with just two years of control left. The Marlins are a rebuilding team that needs to add as much young talent & prospect depth as possible. If you they can get their hands on five young players, they should pounce on it. Dominic Smith was a former Top 100 prospect and could flourish in Miami. Logan Allen is a Top 100 prospect. Cal Quantrill has the potential of being a dominant closer. Austin Allen is a catching prospect that hit 22 HR’s in AA last season with an .857 OPS and David Peterson has the makeup of a SP workhorse. This is a great package of young players for the Marlins, not to mention being able to rid themselves of Castro’s contract. It’s a win, win for all 3 teams.
Funny, I’m a Marlins fan, and I see nothing reported about us “coming to the realization” of anything. They are still holding to their stance that they are not trading Realmuto for anything less than they want.
For the Mets, you will be giving us at least any one of Rosario, Nimmo, or Conforto in a 3-team trade – 2 of the 3 in a direct trade. And it will also include d’Arnaud.
Everyone is already under the realization that Dominic Smith is garbage.
And that’s why the Marlins are a garbage organization with no direction or future. No one and I mean NO ONE is going to overpay for Realmuto. Let the Marlins continue to hold onto their ridiculous demands because the truth of the matter is this. Realmuto does not want to be a Marlin and will leave in 2 years. Second, once the season starts, everyday that passes with Realmuto still in Miami, his value get diluted each and every day. Lastly, when Realmuto’s two years are up, all the Marlins are going to have to show for all of their stupidity is a lonely Compensation Draft Pick after Realmuto declines their qualifying offer. The Marlins will be cellar dwellers for years to come and while the Mets are thriving under a real front office person like Brodie Van Wagenen, the Marlins will be the laughingstock of the NL East. Good luck Marlins fans!!! Mets are going places, Marlins are not. If you Marlins fans are lucky, you might just start to be relevant again in 6-8 years.
LOL. I remember when Mets fans said this at the time of the Piazza trade. That didn’t work out so well for the Mets fans because something happened just a few years later.
It’s simple. If the Mets don’t give the Marlins what they want, someone outside of the division, whether they meet the Marlins demand or not, will give the Marlins enough to trade Realmuto outside of the NL East….And it will be a lot more than Dominic Smith.
Too many teams interested for us to settle on your delusional trade suggestion. You have to give something to get something. Take off the Mets Goggles. You can’t offer garbage to get one of the best (if not the current best) catchers in MLB.
Marlins would easily pass on this offer. No need to lower demands at this point.
San diego has enough space in the payroll to take Castros contract. I would be okay with this if i were the Padres.
I don’t agree with trading Thor at all.
Especially if the return is only JTR. Catchers get banged up. I’m also always concerned about any player going to a big market team and still being able to perform at their previous level. Stanton came to the Yankees and the added pressure of playing in NY seemed to take a toll. Playing in FL with very few fans in the stands and then coming to NY could have a similar effect on JTR. He would be coming here with a tremendous amount of pressure, it could happen to him as well. This is not to say he’s not good or worth what FL’s asking price is.
I simply say i would choose to stay with Thor who has shown he can handle this market and pitch very well when healthy.
As far a SD, just like FL has the right to ask the moon for JTR, the mets have the right to ask for Tatis in any deal.
If SD feels this is too much then that’s fine and they could tell their story walking, The NYM’s should do the same if they feel JTR’s price is too high.
Please BVW…stop trying to fit the square peg in the circle.
Look somewhere else for a catcher please.
Just sayin’
Francisco Mejia or Austin Hedges,Kirby Yates or Craig Stammen,Adrian Morejon,Reggie Lawson for Thor. Marlins trade JT to anyone else except the Dodgers.
I would do this. Austin Hedges, Manuel Margot, Kirby Yates, Adrian Morejon & Logan Allen for Syndergaard & d’Arnaud. As a Mets fan, I can live with this return.
I wouldn’t pull the trigger on that one. Padres are stacked at catcher no need for darnaud and adding both Margot and Logan Allen on top of Hedges,Yates,Morejon would be an overpay in my opinion. But these are the names the Mets and Padres should be talking about. No need for a 3 way trade here.
The reason the Mets are looking at a 3-way trade is because their GM seems intent on trading Syndergaard any way. They also are very intent on getting Realmuto. So, considering the Marlins demands, if the Mets do two separate trades, they will end up trading Syndergaard to someone, and to add Realmuto with a direct trade with the Marlins, the Marlins are expecting 2 of the 3 out of Rosario, Nimmo, or Conforto. So, their GM is figuring that it’s better to do the 3-way deal to move the guy he’s trading any way, then he can get pieces that allow him to only trade 1 instead of 2 of the 3 pieces the Marlins are asking for.
For example, if the Mets make two separate trades, they end up trading Syndergaard, and two of Rosario, Nimmo, or Conforto, with essentially Realmuto and what the team that they trade Syndergaard to gives them.
If he does a 3-way trade, he only gives up Syndergaard and only one of the players that the Marlins are insisting on for Realmuto and whatever they can pry from either or both teams that they do a 3-way deal with along with the Marlins.
This is why the 3-way deal instead of two separate trades.
Yes I get what you’re saying. I wouldn’t do it. I’d let FL find another buyer for JTR. Also, as long as SD is keeping their top prospects off the table, then….well, there really wouldn’t be anything to discuss. I’d switch to the free agent market to get a C and OF rather than move these pieces and still lack depth at the MLB level. Moving Thor creates a hole in the rotation. The price for JTR is just too much when you can address your needs through free agency.
Marlins are delusional in their demands. Signing Grandal fixes the mets issue but i understand the not wanting to part with the draft pick. Who knows what Grandals asking price is but either Hedges or Mejia are good backstops tho and Mets keep both Conforto and Nimmo. Theres no need for 2 seperate trades but maybe the mets are stuck on Realmuto who knows.
Adding Yates is a deciding factor??? A 34 y/o reliever that over performed in 2018. Makes plenty of sense.
Also Soldierofgod619, Margot hit .245 with an OBP under .300 with .675 OPS & had a stealing percentage barely over 50%. Not the kind of player a team would hold onto during trade talks. Just saying.
@MarlinsFanBase you are as inept in regards to baseball IQ as the Marlins are to properly overvaluing their players & running an organization into irrelevance. Marlins will NEVER get two of Rosario, Nimmo or Conforto. To be honest, I draw the line at Nimmo. Rosario & Conforto are far better players than Realmuto. Realmuto had a 4.3 WAR while Nimmo had a 4.4 WAR. Nimmo, Smith, Peterson & Ronny Mauricio is more than a fair offer for 2 years of Realmuto. If the Marlins think they can do better, by all means keep looking. All I know is, the Marlins will never come close to getting what they want because what they want is unrealistic and every team in MLB knows Realmuto is not worth it. That’s why the Padres & Mets working together on a trade makes a lot more sense because the Mets can still get a good catcher like Mejia or Hedges as well as other players for just Syndergaard. Marlins are garbage and will stay that way for a long, LONG time.
I never said margots untouchable all i said is your not getting all 5 players mentioned for Thor maybe 4 of them.
I disagree. If the Padres could get Noah Syndergaard without having to trade Tatis Jr, Gore, Mejia, Urias or Paddack, the Padres would be dumb to turn it down. Even after trading away Allen & Morejon, the Padres would still have a Top 3 farm system.
@Soldierofgod619
Even after trading away Logan Allen & Adrian Morejon, the Padres would still have eight Top 100 prospects. That’s insane just thinking about it.
If Syndergaard pitched close to 200 innings you kight have a case but no way the padres give up that much for 1 pitcher.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. People overvalue prospects to much. If anyone thinks that all of these Padres prospects are going to become good MLB players are seriously misinformed.
Padres fans are way overrating their prospects!! it will take 2 or 3 of their prospects to get Noah at least!!
Well Realumto would be nice for Pads, but would prefer Thor or pitching in general for at least 3 top arms when they do contend. Plus, i believe he’ll be under a control for the pads for the next 2 or 3 years, not like that disappointing deal with Richards which essentially paid him 16 mil for 1 year instead of 8 and he’s coming off Tommy John surgery. I do think the Realumto rumors or hype is a bit over exaggerated, as he’s been batting around ..280 mark past 3 years.which is good but if the rumors eventually point to where he gets about 20 mil a year, its not worth it. It’s nice and a good sign that he did well in japan series, but it shouldnt be a significant bump in salary just bc of that. I’d shoot for 12-15 mil mark not more. If we were talking buster posey then i’d shoot up to the 20 mil.. In sum be nice if the pads got either of this players and if they have at the very least some control over them beyond 1 year, not a all or nothing year. That’s just too short a lease, esp for a team like the pads.
I did see some light with Austin Hedges as he’s slowly upped his average, and seem to take off a bit when he changed with a open stance, meaning I don’t think its a make or break deal if we didnt get realmuto. And Mejia as catcher, well, from what ive seen he has poor discipline and Im telling u guys as a hitter when u comprise discipline even for good contact to a certain level, its not worth it. Reminds me of Lewis Brison this year, where he does make good contact but his discipline at the plate is bad. Its not even about striking out having poor discipline can make u chase and lead to many routine groundouts. So I dont necessiarly think from what I’ve recaped that our catching depth is stacked. It’s nice to have a good offensive catcher since it seems a bit scarce from MLB, but not to the extent of possibly overtrading or overpaying for realmuto.
Here’s my trade scenario;
Mets get Renfroe, Castillo, hedges, morejon and Allen
Padres get Thor, Frazier and d’arnaud
Mets get an OF they can trade or use if they trade nimmo/Conforto. A young good reliever, hedges makes a fine platoon with plawecki and two very good prospects and shed fraziers salary.
WHOA!!! I’m a Mets fan but even I would be the first to admit that this would be an extreme overpay for the Padres.
Like I’ve said before, the Marlins either have to come back to the real world, leave the matrix behind or lose Realmuto in 2 years for nothing.
As it stands now, I can’t imagine any team wouldn’t just rather sign Grandal than gut their farm. What’s the marginal upgrade from Grandal to Realmuto?
@baseballpun
I truly believe that the Mets are going to sign Yasmani Grandal and once that happens, the Marlins will immediately regret turning down the Mets offer. Now the Braves are even out. The only teams left are the Reds, Astros & maybe the Padres. The Reds have already told Miami that Nick Senzel is off limits and I’m sure the Astros would say the same in regards to Forrest Whitley & Kyle Tucker. Looking more & more like the Marlins are stuck with Realmuto unless they lower their demands astronomically.
How are the Padres even a maybe for JTR? Did Austin Hedges and Francisco Mejia retire?
The Padres were mentioned at the Winter Meetings as a team that was interested. Never made sense to me.
WTH was the offer Miami turned down?? We have no idea.
But Danny, the matrix is the real world.
@hillarytrump16
Haha, you’re right.
Hedges,Margot,Yates,Quantril,Nix for Syndergaard and Mark Vientos
Or
Hedges,Margot,Stammen,Morejon for Syndergaard
Mets choice. Both trades fixes their catcher and right handed CF problem, gives them a nice 7th or 8th inning affordable bullpen piece and prospects.
I would do the first offer. Seems solid.
Michel baez,Austin Allen,Reggie lawson for Realmuto
Too light in all likelihood
Yeah probably its just hard to offer alot when we have 2 nice young catchers, i was thinking of Renfroe,Baez,Lawson but id like to see another season of Renfroe before the team decides to trade or keep but it would open up Myers in LF and Reyes in RF
Why would the Padres give up anything for JTR? He’s zeroing in on FA, has already said he’s not signing an extension and the Padres have two quality young controllable catchers in Hedges and Mejia and plenty of depth at the position in the minors.
Braves should be in talks for him. I think at least a couple strong pitching prospects and sprinkle in some lower rank prospects should do it. Allard, Muller, Alex Jackson, someone like tucker Davidson or webb? I mean, that’s truly a solid offer, borderline overkill. And with the marlins farm, that really makes it more attractive overnight and none of those players are super far away from being major league ready. Allard is, muller is a year away, Jackson is maybe a year away although he’s taken a step back. And Webb/Davidson are bullpen guys right? So they are both pretty much ready now. Heck, throw in that 1st round pick from a few years ago. Strong lefty bat, think his name was Davidson also. Hurt his leg at the AFL. He’s a bust, maybe a small change might help his career and heck, he’s the freaking 4th-5th guy I’m offering anyways. Worth a shot for the marlins
if that was enough it would have been done already. the fish want ozzie and don’t seem to back down from that… so let’s move on.
You’re assumption is a little ridiculous. My hypothetical proposal is overkill .. I doubt the braves would pull the trigger so easily. If Ozzie was the only person they wanted and a must in any deal, the braves wouldn’t continue to show up in rumors about JT cause there is no way he is being traded. The return would have to be outrageous to trade away a young allstar that is largely responsible for changing the dynamic of this team. Let’s be honest.
Please use “obviously” more
What part of “it’s a free site” do you not understand?
Gonna be Riley, Gohora & lower prospect maybe Flowers in there too just to give Marlins a starting caliber catcher which they could even flip with this catcher market the way it is
Funny how Bowman is claiming to know stuff when our GM is like a ninja on stealth mode. I don’t believe Bowman. Realmuto will be a Brave by Wed. No team named he’ll no team in the majors can match what the Braves have to offer Padres included. Remember they are a bit behind us Acuna, Albies, Camargo, Newcomb, Minter & Dansby all came up within a year or 2 so the Padres even with their farm prospects can’t match the overall level of young talent the Braves posses.
If the Braves deal for Realmuto, I don’t really think Flowers is going back to the Marlins. I think it is more likely that they keep all three catchers. The versatility of Camargo and Culberson (along with the somewhat flexibility of Acuna, Ender and Duvall) enable the braves to have a small bench but keep some thump on it. Flowers and McCann would start sparingly, but hit frequently enough.
Any deal for Realmuto would definitely hurt braves fans at least. Probably something along the lines of Riley, Gohara, Allard, Alex Jackson and Ynoa.
Of course Anthopoulos might be hesitant to deal away that much talent in just one deal which would allow someone else to take home the prize.
Riley, Gohara and small fries won’t do it, otherwise JT would be a Brave already. They want Ozzie and we told them to go where the sun don’t shine, so it’s over.
The Marlins want around 5 players for JTR, they can keep him, in 2 years he will be looking for a huge deal and the Braves won’t be his first choice.
Let the garbage Marlins keep him so he can walk in 2 years, so they can get nothing in return.
Most likely they’ll get the Mets or Braves to overpay.
I’m glad the Braves are moving on. It’s pretty obvious that the fish want to weaken the MLB team of any division rival as a condition of trading JT.
Agreed. I heard that the Marlins turned down an offer from the Mets that would have sent Brandon Nimmo, Andres Gimenez, Dominic Smith, David Peterson & Ronny Mauricio to Miami. If this is true, Marlins fans should be starting a petition to have the entire front office replaced.
I’m glad they denied the offer you “heard” was proposed by Mutts
We all know Jeter is waiting for a really busy day in sports to gift this guy to the Yankees
If Mejia is that good and under cheap control, why not Thor for Mejia++? Makes less sense for him to be part of any 3 team trade with the Mets IMO.
I’m pretty sure the Mets would prefer Hedges over Mejia.
Marins should be contracted.
But they won’t.
Myers + B prospect to TB; Realmuto to NYM; Syndergaard to SD
Prediction!
Get off meds
In what fantasy world would the Mets ever trade Syndergaard with 3 years of control and only get Realmuto with 2 yrs of control?
Mets just signed Ramos so your prediction is wrong.
Myers and his high priced contract starting in 2020 is not worth anything remotely to Realmuto and Syndergaard. It will take an A prospect to help the Padres get rid of him.
Miami is a joke
ask yourself this, how good is realmuto if he wasn’t a catcher? .275 avg and below 20 HR hitter with an avg defense and no speed? Just because he plays the position with competition does not make him an all star. Please move on this “Thor for realmuto” talk already. He will be hitting 270 and 18hr while displaying avg defense, and Mets losing Thor? Come on…
No speed? You crazy?
Also, his defense was ranked high as was his framing, and throw out rate.
You’re crazy if you think one of the most dominant pitchers in the league with 3 years of control is worth an extremely overrated Catcher with 2 years of control. Mets can just sign Grandal and keep all their players, get more years, a better hitter and he’s better at throwing out runners. Stop overvaluing the guy.
Braves get JT
Marlins get Wright, Riley, Tarnok, Flowers
Braves will push hard now that Ramos is on the Mets
Why Marlins are quickly losing leverage
You think the braves want to stick with a .212 hitter? They see the Mets are getting better, the nationals, and Phillies. They need to do something big
According to 12up (note: grain of salt) the Marlins asked for Thor straight up from the Mets for JTR. Not sure I do that if I’m the Mets.
And to be honest I’m not sure I do it if I’m the Marlins either. They would just have to trade Thor to someone else.