TODAY, 10:36pm: Brian Cashman said Tuesday that the Yankees aren’t involved in active discussions to acquire a catcher, but Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reports that the Yanks did contact the Marlins about Realmuto on Monday. Moreover, according to Joe Frisaro of MLB.com, the Yankees remain a possibility for Realmuto. Regardless, a trade involving Realmuto going to New York or anywhere else is not imminent, Frisaro adds.
7:20pm: The chances of this three-team deal occurring seem to be fizzling, Martino suggests.
4:23pm: An official involved in the discussions “downplayed” the possibility of a three-team trade involving Syndergaard, Puma tweets. Puma adds that the Marlins do want Rosario and another player from the Mets, likely outfielder Brandon Nimmo.
2:28pm: The Mets are increasingly aggressive in pursuit of Realmuto, sources tell both Heyman (Twitter link) and Sherman (via Twitter).
Interestingly, multiple reporters (starting with Sherman) have now floated the concept of the Mets dealing shortstop Amed Rosario to get Realmuto, then turning around to sign a gap-filling, glove-first infielder. It’s hard to know what to make of this, but it seems like more than the separate musings of these writers. Over the past few weeks, the new Mets front office has seemingly been willing to put feelers out on its possible strategies through the media.
10:37am: Marlins CEO Derek Jeter is “insisting” that a deal involving Realmuto must bring a quality MLB-level piece to Miami, per Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald (via Twitter). That lends further credence to the concept of Yankees youngster Miguel Andujar possibly being involved in a three-team arrangement.
Notably, Spencer adds that Realmuto “will” be moved at some point this winter, quite possibly in the near future. Of course, that doesn’t mean he’ll necessarily land with the Mets.
While it’s still far from clear that this particular three-team scenario has legs, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes that the Yankees have the clear impression that the Mets are willing to engage with them in earnest — even on a deal of this magnitude.
It’s worth noting, too, that there are other possible multi-team arrangements that could be considered to aid the Mets in landing Realmuto. And perhaps it’s not out of the question that the Yankees could pick him up for their own purposes. Sherman hints (Twitter links) that the club could at least in theory do that while modifying the roles of some notable existing players, though he also casts doubt on the possibility.
YESTERDAY, 11:04pm: The Yankees are “pushing hard” to swing a deal with the Mets, and are interested in Mets pitchers other than only Syndergaard, according to Andy Martino (Twitter links).
10:02pm: The Mets, Yankees, and Marlins have discussed a three-team trade that would see J.T. Realmuto end up on the Mets’ roster, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reports (Twitter links). Making the deal into a true blockbuster, Noah Syndergaard may also be part of the negotiations, according to both the New York Post’s Mike Puma and SNY.tv’s Andy Martino.
As per Martino’s source, however, the Mets are also weighing “10 other scenarios” and it doesn’t seem like this trade or any other is necessarily close. A “lot of smoke [but] not a lot of fire” is how one person familiar with the talks describes things to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. It would seemingly take more than just Realmuto to pry Syndergaard away from the Mets, as Rosenthal notes that the right-hander has three years of control to Realmuto’s two, unless the Mets were also receiving more in the trade. The Mets and Yankees have “touched base” on Syndergaard in the past, though the star right-hander’s involvement would certainly make the Yankees much more than a simple “conduit” in such a trade.
Needless to say, this would be quite a surprising result to the long-simmering Realmuto trade scenario, simply because of both New York teams collaborating on a major deal. As Rosenthal points out, the Yankees and Mets haven’t linked up on a notable trade since December 2004, when the Big Apple rivals swapped Felix Heredia and Mike Stanton. Still, Martino tweeted earlier today that the Mets were exploring three-team options as part of an overall “very aggressive” approach to the trade market, while Fancred Sports’ Jon Heyman reported that there was some speculation that the Yankees could be involved as a “conduit” in a Realmuto deal rather than acquiring the Miami catcher themselves.
At first glance, it would appear as if the Yankees would be supplying some of the minor league talent that the Mets are unable or unwilling to provide in order to meet Miami’s large asking price for Realmuto’s services. The Yankees seem like one of several teams the Mets are examining as potential partners in a Realmuto trade, as Rosenthal tweets that the Mets are exploring multiple three-team scenarios as well as standard two-teams swaps with just the Marlins.
My mind is going wild with all the possibilities.
Woah pretty quick bud
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I’ve never seen so many downvotes.
How about 9?
I’m pretty sure the other one went to bed. I’m always awake though, message me anytime bud.
Reputation at stake.. checking fake xabial accs banned.. wasn’t my intention. I’ll take it. Cant forget Go Yankees
Enjoy this blockbuster and hope it comes to fruition
“Interesting comment Xabial, I agree with what you are saying and you really contributed to this thread with your insight and baseball knowledge!” Said no one ever.
I honestly give xab credit. He continues to do his thing despite you vulchers constantly pouncing on him. Yeah, it’s often fluffy, non-resourced hogwash, but he clearly likes what he does and powers through.
I really hate the Yankees and I hate dumb trade suggestions… that being said I don’t understand why y’all hate Xabial so much. Let the dude post whatever he wants. If you don’t like it, then don’t read it and move along. It’s easy. His posts bother me a lot less than most of yours.
I would take reading Xabial’s comments all day then seeing one from you once a week. Can we all get over this and talk about baseball?
Dude, then just don’t read it. His posts aren’t a prerequisite to reading the rest of this message board. I sincerely do not understand how it affects you in the slightest, but it’s quite amusing.
Xabial, I only reply to your posts to get a reaction. If you just ignore me once, I’d stop and move on. You reply to every single one of my posts. Grow up man, let it go. All you’re doing is giving me a chuckle and making a fool of yourself. You have only yourself to blame for all the fake accounts made of you (none of which I created). Learn to let it go, ever since that Fulmer article I’ve replied to almost all of your posts to get a reaction, and it’s worked 100% of the time.
I look forward to it everyday
Fulmer thread is from September 18th 2018…
Considering “amount of times I post”… I’d say that’s pretty good. Way to hold a grudge…
That’s not a long time ago. You’re acting like it’s been years. Just trying to show you why you are hated by many on these threads.
Really fighting the good fight there, baseball1600.
dude, bb1600, please just stop posting. You’re worse for taking up space with these useless comments. Ignore and move on.
Then they should ban you for a while.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
srechter – I have been saying the same thing about xabial as well. Being he is a Yankees fan, it kills me, but I find him entertaining (in the good way). He is consistent and true to his team – like them or not – and I am not at all close to a Yankee fan 🙂 And if you engage him in real baseball talk, he knows a thing or two (albeit he is a fluffy dreamer – no offense xabial). You just have to peel back some layers when he is talking about what he wishes would happen and what is reality.
But if he has a life like mine, the vultures are part of it.
jkurk_22 – Exactly too.
I upvote xabial. If you don’t like him, move on. And xabial – ignore them!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah on like one article a day I have to scroll through 20 comments where people are trolling X just to get to legit baseball stuff. I feel like if someone just posted “FIRST!” at the top of every article it would get less hate than his benign Yankees love
No that’s an incredibly long time. This site posts multiple articles a day and you go back three months. It isn’t years but in terms of relevance. Not very. Can you guys just keep it to baseball? the same “we hate xabial” club arrives everyday to argue about the same crap and it doesn’t ever really come back to a point it’s just trying to look cool on the internet, where no one looks cool
I agree. You shouldn’t focus on what random people post, or try to “hold them accountable” I mean really?
Say that out loud. “I hold random people accountable for their one sentence posts on an obscure baseball message board.”
Go to Fangrahs and you can be part of the “Comment Police” if that is how you get your jollies.
Like someone being hit with a hammer… and liking it
You tell X you just reply to his posts to get a rise out of him, which many of us are all guilty of doing.
But then you tell him to grow up and how ignoring you will make you go away! The last time I heard stupid advice like that was listening to Dr Laura on talk radio.
Don’t be part of the problem.
Be part of the solution.
Though my screen name is MYR, if I had them in order of who I saw first time it would be YMR.
I like X’s stat research on the Yanks esp. I’m sure everyone can read a box score.
How can a game from the CBS Yankees days hook a ten year old kid?
Instead of a report button, MLBTR needs an ignore user button. But no one will use it.
“Just trying to show you why you are hated by many on these threads.”
You literally have nothing better to do??
Dude, the same could be said about you. You just can NOT reply. As it’s abive you. Your childish. I’d love to be wrong but the simple fact that you stated why you do what you do, screams it. Hopefully you will mature. Just might take a while, but I’m pulling for you.
He doesn’t care that you are 200% correct, he has nothing to do in life but put people down, abuse them,
then go on to the next person.
you know, I hate an over-zealous Yankees fan as much as the next guy, but X gets more hate than all such fans have even deserved. (and that’s really saying something) Maybe you make a good claim as his antagonist and get a lot of likes for it, but that doesn’t mean the general public agrees with what you do.
I miss baseball1600. Although this account was banned, it will hold the record for most upvotes in a single comment, and inducing the most downvotes on a single user (Xabial)
The hate this man (or woman, idk who cares) xabial gets is absolutely ridiculous. Get a life people. Keep doing your thing brochacho.
“Reputation at stake”
Wtf?? This is your problem. You actually think you’re some high level person on MLBTR, a site where no one uses their real name except the writers that actually do all the hard work 24/7. You are in fact a no body that we all like to make fun of because you too are on here 24/7 but the writers are actually the ones making a name for themselves. Not you. Please do your schoolwork so you can get a career in life rather than the path you are on which is living in mother’s house having her continually make meals for you and tuck you in at night with a kiss on your forehead into your 30s and 40s
I just meant I don’t want anyone to believe a post from someone using my name.
Been posting here over yrs, before ppl made fake accs of others and your troll a.ss popped up. I’m already hated enough, can’t imagine how much worse it could get if people believed these stupid posts by fake “xabials” Stick to “mlbtr” topics and quit turning this into Yahoo comments. Oh, and quit putting words in my mouth.
So Harry, what are we supposed to consider you? If your logic is correct, nothing anyone says on here is valuable as this is a “a site where no one uses their real name except the writers that actually do all the hard work 24/7.” What about Xabial gets you so worked up?
Correctomundo lusciano. Close to everyone on here thinks they’re an expert analyst or an “insider”. Xabial here is exhibit A, on every single post trying to be the first one to comment. This site would be better with comments turned off. If you want to have the inside scoop on rumors and transactions follow every single reputable insider on Twitter. Or instead, like all of us are doing, come on here because the writers do the hard work of keeping tabs up to the second of every rumor/transaction happening.
Hey xabial. I’ve been coming to this site since 2012. Forgot my email and password to my account and didn’t make another one until I saw your comments flood this site and I had enough. As long as you comment on here, I will be here with you by your side on. every. single. post.
Just kidding I have a life. I’ll be seeing you whenever I come back since I know you will be on every post
Harry, get some counseling. You’re mentally WEAK.
You’re REALLY Fu**** up, aren’t you?
Wow, get help Harry.
Xabial is just posting rumors and what hes hearing and talking baseball.
You seem like a bitter loser.
He’ll be reincarnated in the form of one of his 35 shill accounts
I heard Xabial and Harry are the same person…makes sense right?
Let’s be real, these guys aren’t doing hard work. They’re paraphrasing other people’s hard work.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I use my name
I was talking this 3 way earlier with someone. I bet/ hope Thor goes to Yanks.
“Source: Prospects being floated in a possible three-team trade involving #Mets, #Marlins by #Yankees are Clint Frazier, Jonathan Loaisiga, Mike King, Chance Adams, and Sonny Gray. still pretty early in process from vibe I’m getting. There’s smoke, tho.
Also have heard that the #Mets have asked #Yankees about Miguel Andujar, who NYY‘s been unwilling to discuss in trade talks. We will see if this 3-team trade rumor becomes a thing in end.”
This guy is Twitter verified, but he only has 14.4K followers. Only guy had specific prospects this early
But then he replied to this tweet by Joel Sherman:
“Told nothing imminent tonight with #Mets. So go to sleep already” https://mobile.twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1072365603564998656
I don’t understand why everyone feels the need to attack this guy. Why is this a personal thing? Comment about trade rumors and shut the f%!k up.
Yanks get: thor, castro,
Mets get: JT, sonny (hoping it’s the bandbox and not the city) and Greg bird? (Slighty more value coming from the yanks)
Marlins get: nimmo florial, lasonia (less totl value for ditching castro)
That’s a terrible deal for the Mets. They don’t need Bird, they have Alonso. Gray is garbage and they’re not giving up Thor with 3 years and Nimmo with 5 years for those guys. Only way this works is if Mets get Realmuto AND Andujar or Torres. Yankees have to overpay if they want Thor from the Mets. Also, only way they make this deal is if they have a deal in place to trade for Kluber which would involve Nimmo.
Yup I was struggling to find the last bit for the mets.. and after thinking about it realized they need a much bigger piece. Abreu?
Yankees have to overpay? They are swinging a deal that would give you an all star catcher without giving up Rosario.
Vargas (eat his bad contract)
Not sure if Marlins do this but best i got lol
The Yankees don’t need to eat any bad contracts while giving up top prospects.
why on earth would Mets give Thor and Nimmo just to get Realmulto.. Sonny Gray cant perform for Yanks, what makes you think he’s going to perform for Mets?? and Bird who’s made out of glass?? I’d take my chance going with Alonso anyday over Bird..
This Alonso stuff is hysterical.
Mers fans love counting on huge production from guys who have never had a ML at bat, lol.
Bird was a minor league star too, along with about 3,000 other guys.
please calm your mind
Here it is Rosario and some young pieces for J.T. , Thor to yanks for Andujar Frazier others McNeill Nimmo to Indiana for Kluber sign Troy t for short and pollack for center and look out citi field
How did the Pacers get involved in this? Wouldn’t they need to send Oladipo and a future 1st rounder back to the Mets to get Kluber?
Marc (Phillies Phan)
captainsalty – Kluber could be a point guard too. He is tall enough.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Paul, My grammar is not perfect and neither is my spelling. But dude, use some punctuation PLEASE. I can make out Indiana for Indians; and McNeill and Nimmo are not really enough. But the “look out citi field’ should be separate. I had to read it like 4 times.
I would take Thor over Kluber. Injuries may be a problem, but his upside is greater as of 2018. I say that as your rival fan too LOL
Pure speculation, but I could see Starlin Castro making a yankees return.
i hate my father
Good call, makes sense for both sides.
That’s a possibility
Hey better not be the primary return if we’re helping the Mets get Realmuto. We need to be getting Matz as well (assuming the dominant duo are not part of the deal of course).
Huh? You want both Thor and Matz in the deal for J T? For just 2 years of control?
I don’t think that’ll happen..I don’t blame you for wanting though…
I think yankees7448 is suggesting just Matz and Castro go to the Yankees – which I think is a no deal.
Would make sense if he batted LH. Yanks need Multiple LH bats. I’d suggest Brandon Belt as a option but they may see his contract and want something cheaper. Daniel Murphy to me is a perfect fit for the Yankees. Short term deal. 1b/DH can play 2b once in awhile but primarily first base.
Murphy does make some level of sense, and his bat would certainly play well at Yankee stadium. That being said, I get the sense that they want someone with a more proficient glove.
Florial… Andujar… Abreu… Loaisiga…. Medina
Take them all. Give me Thor…
can you name anymore overhyped Yankees prospects?
Can you name any Yankee prospect/player other than Torres, who would be good enough for you?
Andujar was overhyped? You ever watched a baseball game? Lol
Say what you want about abreu and florial who haven’t had a chance to prove you right or wrong but andujar certainly well outperformed the hype in his rookie year and loaisiga had MLB success as a guy that came out of nowhere so there’s no evidence for saying either if those guys were overhyped.
One of few players in the big leagues I’d trade Frazier for (Despite concuss concerns) is Thor
You drive a hard bargain, toofpick78.. Sold! Frazier supposed be Gardys LF heir-apparent
Xabial I hate your Yankees but I don’t mind reading your comments. I don’t get all the grief they give you, comment away.
They would trade Torres, Andujar and Florial for Thor. If not, they should.
Yes. He’s awful at defense and is going to be a first baseman in 2 years.
Is he still graded out as the worst 3B in the majors?
Show some proof behind this. He did just come in second for ROY. Yes, defense could use some work, but worst 3b in majors? I just looked through all the rankings, and couldn’t find him there.
Hed also be the Mets best hitter, lol.
…much sense does this make, says Yoda……
who could the Yankees be getting?
DeGrom and Thor to Yanks, Ellsbury and Sonny Gray to Marlins, JTR to Mets.
Refsnyder jokes are all too worn out at this point.
Who made you the Ref(snyd)eree?
You are High if you think both DeGrom & Thor go to the Yanks. It would be 1 or the other but no way both.
Not if Mets get Judge
Yeah, he really thinks the yankees are getting Syndergaard and degrom fir Ellsbury and gray, lol.
How dumb can met fans be?
You said it not me!!!
Pretty sure you missed some sarcasm
elscorcho the marlin
It was a joke
If you look up, you’ll see the joke going over your head
But what if the Mets want Ellsbury?
syndergaard goes to yanks, marlins get andujar jt goes to queens
Be more than that for Thor
I’d think that the Mets would be pretty darned pleased to get JT. So anything on top of that wouldn’t be substantial.
Have to say I highly doubt a three team trade will happen with Mets/Yankees.
So who’s getting who and for what?
Bring on the trades.
What are the Yankees adding to this? I’d imagine they want syndergaard but I don’t know what they’re sending to Miami.
What would they give to the Mets?
The fish would have to want Torres or Andujar because I can’t imagine they have enough in the minors to make this happen. Mets clearly get JTR.
Torres is going nowhere, Cashman would be absolutely stupid to trade him for a return less than DeGrom and there’s no way the Mets are sending their ace across town to make the team worse overall, only to watch him win a WS with their biggest rival.
the marlins could want florial or prospects that would hit much much later. doubt theyre gonna want anyone MLB ready when theyre shipping off JT
Alright. What do you think they’re discussing then? A marlins Mets swap for realmuto May make some sense but when you include the Yankees into the equation how can Thor not be involved? What exactly would the Yankees be acquiring in this if not Thor? It makes no sense…
I’m sure the marlins would prefer prospects however the Yankees do not have them. You’ve drained that system significantly. Without andujar I don’t see a deal. The fish are a ways off but andujar could be the young piece they build around.
I think this is less about who the Yankees could be acquiring and more about who they’re getting rid of, I.E. Sonny Gray.
I can’t imagine they’re involved for more than a salary dump to facilitate a larger return for the Marlins, with the Mets getting JT and Miami getting god knows what from Flushing and Gray from The Bronx.
Yeah I just don’t see how sonny gray is integral to a deal for Realmuto. Obviously I could be way off here but Sonny Gray is a small blip of value for a guy like realmuto. I can’t imagine that is the snag to getting the realmuto deal done.
The Mets are not our biggest rival. It’s the Red Sox. Always has been.
I think you are not wrong, but overvaluing realmuto.
Yankees dont have prospects? Lol
So you follow baseball?
The Yankees lack significant top prospects. Yes. I do follow it. When you trade away top prospects and have guys like andujar and Torres graduate your system tends to take a hit. The Yankees are no different. Don’t be upset with me because the system is now more towards the middle of the pack. That’s just reality. Most teams don’t produce a perennial winner with a top 5 farm every year.
The Yanks farm is not drained, that’s nonsense. Still plenty of talent in their system.
Plenty of talent in 14 other systems as well. It’s not in the elite tier anymore and that’s not up for debate. The dodgers and Stros could outbid NYY in a trade on any player they wanted to based on farm systems alone. You graduate enough players and make moves with prospects and youre not going to be able stay up there forever. Be thankful you aren’t in the cubs or Red Sox position with prospects. But you aren’t stacked by any means
Yanks still have 3 top 100 prospects so I don’t know how you can honestly believe what you just said. Loaisiga has some MLB experience already under his belt, Florial is highly regarded by many teams, and Abreu can hit near 100mph May still even become a starter.
On top of those they have Frazier and German who no longer qualify for the prospect list and are MLB ready this year. Also I can see the Yanks making a guy like Holder available in a mega deal such as this.
There’s a major publication on the Yankees farm. That was pre sheffield’s Trade. You’re looking at what you have left and thinking it’s gold but it isn’t. More than half of the teams in baseball have what the Yankees have left. It’s a middle of the pack system.
Talk about moving the goal posts.
You said they didn’t have prospects.
Now they have some but not as many as they used too.
Went from they have no prospects to the Dodgers have more, lol
Didn’t realize having fewer prospects than LA meant you had none
Ok, Boogaloo. I never meant the Yankees didn’t have prospects.
What I said was they don’t have enough in the minors alone to grab a guy like syndergaard. Nothing but a fact. The Astros and dodgers were just a relative comparison. Keep thinking you’re the king of the world and everyone wants Yankees prospects.
You can’t liquidate that many minor leaguers and expect to have a great system to go out and get guys. You’ve used 90% of your chips. Exactly why you’re hearing rumors about andujar being available. Guys like loaisiaga are good prospects but they don’t get you the big fish.
I must have missed the part where I said their farm was “elite” or “stacked”. I do recall saying they had plenty of talent, enough to be considered a mid-ranked farm, and certainly above the parameters of a a system that was drained or depleted.
Gray’s only possible involvement in this perspective trade will be the prospects he brings back. As either ancillary pieces in the trade or to replenish the system after the Marlins pick out who they know and want.
For Syndergaard? Andujar, Florial, Loaisiga, etc.
Yeah, didn’t think they were looking to move andujar. Obviously if they put him or torrres on the table this can be done. I’d imagine they’d have to be heavy favorites for Machado if they’re seriously considering that.
It’s gotta be Torres. Andujar has a great bat but his defense is awful. He was the worst defensive 3rd baseman in MLB last year. I doubt an NL team sees as much value in him as an AL team that can DH him. And before anyone says he can always switch to 1st, Pedro Alvarez tried that and it didn’t work out so well for him. I am a diehard Yankee fan and I realize that to get 3 years of a pitcher like Thor it is going to take Torres+. Yes, Thor has injury concerns that is why he will only cost Torres and prospects and not someone like Judge. I can see them replacing Torres with Sanchez though. But, they will have an easier time finding a decent 2nd baseman at a reasonable cost than a catcher to replace Sanchez. So, I think it’s gonna be Torres. Just my humble opinion.
Core players moved, Mets get JT, Yanks get Syndergaard and Marlins get Andujar, Bird, 2-3 power arms from Yanks system along with another 2-3 prospects.
Moving parts are depending on teams taking on bad contracts and “feelings”. There will be NYC tax deff going Mets from Yankees, controllable outfielder and a AAA SP with upside. (You should know who I’m talking about but Yanks could also use Gray trade for those parts.)
That’s what they’re getting. That’s what you’re enthralled with.
Give them everything.
I’d trade them Florial for him! And then some
Stanton to marlins with prospects Realmuto to Mets and Yankees get salary relief. Lol that’d be funny
Plot twist of the century
Tigers and Dbacks are going to be very mad the Yankees are having a 3 way with other people
Comment of the day
Holy smokes. Stove burning.
“……It doesn’t appear like anything imminent is coming…..”
How many articles like this have been written the past 3 weeks that days later have been found to be nothingburgers……
Just about all – if not all – coming from Mr. Rosenthal.
I gotta get up at 7 am and I was about to go to bed then rosenthal just drops this like it’s nothing
Pitches Love Velocity
Met a get Realmuto
Yankees get Degrom
Marlins get Sanchez Andujar.
Of course other pieces would need to head the mets and marlins way but that would be epic.
Trading Sanchez would leave them without a catcher, not happening.
Pitches Love Velocity
Wilson Ramos, Grandal, other candidates like Hedges from SD, Cervelli Pitt, etc.
It’s not like the Yankees cant find a catcher. They won’t find a starter better than Degrom.
More likely Thor than DeGrom.
Mets have given no indication they’re giving up Degrom and if they would it’d take significantly more than just realmuto in return.
Pitches Love Velocity
Oh geeze thanks for telling us what “other pieces would need to head the mets and marlins way” really meant. Life saver. We’d of been lost without your ability to decipher that complex message.
You don’t need to add anything. It’s more about what you should delete. Degrom isn’t available. There’s been nothing coming out to suggest he was.
Pitches Love Velocity
Everyone’s available for the right price.
The mets could easily get a kings ransom.along with realmuto for dealing Degrom.
The money saved from having to extend Degrom in 2 years can go to extending realmuto and building up the team instead of paying 2 guys 25 or so mill each. The mets could easily add good mlb ready pieces pre arb by dealing Degrom.
Or could look to pursue arrenado w the money saved.
You throw out proposals with players that haven’t even been considered to be made available on almost every comment section. You open yourself up to be blasted. There have been zero reports on Degrom being available. In fact there have been plenty of reports saying just the opposite. And yet you’re throwing up a package where he’s moving. Then you get upset when someone critiques you.
Pitches Love Velocity
Says the guy who can’t handle being called out for failing to read an entire comment before posting.
HE INCLUDED JUST REALMUTO FOR DEGROM HOW DARE HE.
LOL. You threw a hissy fit for me embarassing you for failing to read the entire comment “pal”
Per your own words- “and if they would it’d take significantly more than just realmuto in return” uh Yeah, thanks captain obvious which is why I said- “Of course other pieces would need to head the mets and marlins way”
Angels get Degrom
Mets Get Torres and andujar.
Yankees get Trout.
“Obviously the angels and Mets get more in this proposal.” That’s the logic behind your post. It added nothing. If other significant pieces are missing in the proposal why even post it? And honestly that’s not even the most important part. Degrom isn’t available.
Braves- Degrom, Conforto
Marlins- Nimmo, Soroka, Gohara
Mets- Realmuto, Inciarte, Waters, Touki, Allard
Pitches Love Velocity
Other significant pieces can include top 100 prospects- as to whom idk it depends on what the teams are seeking. Could be mlb ready or couple years away.
Listing the primary names while acknowledging theres more to the deal is more than you’ve offered at any point in your life apparently. Oh no guy on internet posted idea that upset you and called out your literacy issues OH NO.
You’re literally getting sand in your vag over a proposal that would make the off season epic. Taking things way too seriously. Might I suggest a hobby. Maybe going back to community college taking a literacy class.
You are hurting my man. Your hobby is throwing out whatever trade proposals pop in your head up on here. But That’s fine. You’re just going to get a little push back. Might I suggest you pick a different hobby?
If DeGrom would fetch a ‘king’s ransom’, then why only list Realmuto? It’s a meaningless proposal. It’s like saying ‘Mets get Mike Trout and $150 million, Angels get Dominic Smith, obviously some other pieces would need to be involved’. It’s nonsense.
I’m not following your thought process. You’re saying the Mets could easily get a “king’s ransom” for Degrom and then you offer up a trade where all they get for him is Realmuto? How does that make any sense?
Don’t think the yanks would be comfortable with that unless they have a move for an alternate backstop in the works. Cash has expressed fairly concrete denials that he’s willing to move Sanchez.
Mets get Realmuto,Andujar,Conley or Staliy
Yankees get Matz,Wheeler,Frazier/Castro back
Marlins get Gray,Clint Frazier,Bird,Adams,Green,Tebow,Florial and so on.
Horrible trade for the Yankees. You cannot be serious.
Tebow is not and will not be on the block. Lord said so.
How about the Yankees also send Judge to the Marlins and Severino to the Mets?
Tempting but that is 2 everyday players.
Degrom may be worth that much though.
I dont want andujar going anywhere.
For the mets, this would be the reigning cy young winner for realmutp, and I don’t think realmuto is worth that much.
No idea what the Yankees would be including in this deal or getting back. DeGrom or Noah would cost an astronomical amount regardless of the three team implications
I’ve had discussions on a 3-way but nothing came of it.
Ditto, many a times
Someone has to be the unicorn.
Low key kinda of curious how big of a return the marlins get much less the Mets depending on if in fact it is Thor
I could see the Yankees getting Matz, Mets getting Realmuto and Marlins getting prospects from Mets and Yankees.
Why do the Yankees want another lefty who hasn’t been able to stay healthy and has been lit up when he is?
If the Yankees are in on this, it can only be a Sonny Gray salary dump to increase the return for the Marlins, where the Mets’ system doesn’t have enough to get Realmuto on their own.
From a yankees perspective, couldn’t they just trade prospects for Matz instead of helping a rival get a star player?
But the Mets don’t want prospects, they only want a star player. They wouldn’t trade Matz unless they were getting someone back relevant to 2019 contention.
Marlins will get Vernon Wells, Yankees get Carlos Zambrano, and the Mets get Jacoby Ellsbury and will pay him 6,000 dollars every year for the next 16 centuries.
The wilpons would absolutely do that if it was allowed by law.
Can the Mets trade Bonilla?
This will never get old, at least until 2035 🙂
Mlb network winter meetings live reported that Stanton would go to the Mets, realmuto to the Yanks, and other players, blah blah. Sounds to me like the yanks are trying to unload Stanton to sign Harper
lol not a chance, you’re making this nonsense up. Harper is a much better fit in Yankee Stadium, IMO, but there’s no way the Yankees trade Stanton to the Mets for less than DeGrom and even then, doesn’t Stanton still have no-trade protection in his contract?
If so, why would he waive it to go across town to a team that isn’t going anywhere to play in a park where his power numbers will be dramatically decreased?
I’m not making anything up..just repeating what I heard. The way I understood it, was it was more speculation that truth..anyone else watch it too who can verify it with me?
I’ve watched all day long. Never did I hear anything of the sort.
Stanton does not have much surplus value at all. Especially with that opt-out
Cashman vs Brodie and Jeter, lol.
Hed probably end up with Syndergaard, deGrom and Realmutto for Greg Bird and Austin Romine.
Keep this mind when considering trade possibilities: The Marlins want as many Hispanic players as possible. Good for marketing. They’d rather have a Sanchez than a Realmuto.
Keep in mind this isn’t true. There’s a difference between Cubans and Dominicans by the way.
Is Realmuto Italian? Didn’t know they had any Italians in Oklahoma.
The Marlins literally offered Realmuto an extension earlier this year, and he refused. I guess he was Spanish back then but it wore off?
Braves- Degrom, another player
Marlins- Nimmo, Soroka, Waters
Mets- Realmuto, Inciarte, Touki, Allard
NL East supremacy!!!
prob wont happen with three nl east teams though
My initial thought is Mets would be dealing Nimmo, darnaud as a stop gap for Miami, and possibly andres giminez and one of our better prospect arms in Kay or Peterson. Mets would be sending matz or Wheeler to Yankees possibly in an exchange for sonny gray or a young prospect arm. (With the intention of then making a serious run at Kluber) Yankees would be sending low level prospects to Miami to round the deal out and possibly receiving starling Castro back. Would love to see the Mets somehow pry barraclaugh from
Miami in all this madness but I’ll most likely be way off bc the possibilities are endless
Barraclough was traded to Washington in October.
Wow totally forgot about that
I’m not talking about anyythinggggg
I love 3-ways…..Did one once…..couldn’t figure out what to do with the cat……
What a rookie… I’m guessing you forgot to hide the catnip in the brown eye.
Mets fans would riot if Thor was in the Bronx…
Andujar definitely part of the package. Just have a hard time thinking which team he goes too..Hmm. If the Yanks can pull this off and pick up Sydergaard and turn around and sign Machado, that would be boss. I’ve just spent a few minutes thinking about which pieces go where in a hypothetical trade and I can’t even think of one. Yanks moveable assets are Andujar, Gray, Hicks, Frazier, Loaisga, whom are all playable on the ML roster. Prospects are Freicer Perez or Abreu as the better prospect arms.
Maybe Miami looks to dump Chen with JT?
Mets get JTR & Frazier
Yanks get Thor
Fish get Andujar Austin
Yanks then sign Harper & Manny
Ok I see Austin is gone already.
Maybe a young Yankee pitcher
I’ve been basing my comments on the very vague article and the presumption that the Yankees were acting as facilitators to the Realmuto deal, with the caveat that Miami takes Sonny Gray off their hands.
If the updated article is correct and Thor is involved, that would mean the Yankees are including Andujar, Florial and more with one of them likely going to Miami to offset the Mets’ lack of high-value prospects. The Mets would get Realmuto and one of the two likely takes Sonny Gray, probably the fish, as a condition of getting a top prospect from the Yankees.
I’m really hoping this is just a salary dump by the Yankees, but I don’t know.
That would be quite the drop from requesting the 17th best prospect in the game (Reds) to “just” a salary dump. Had that been the goal, they wouldn’t have even tendered Gray a contract. His value is much more than you’re making it out to be.
That makes Zero sense. Gray didn’t even have a contact for this year, they could of just cut him if they didn’t want him.
But now they are going to trade him plus prospects to save money and help the mets,lol
Bot exactly how the yankees do business
NOTHING from ESPN.
ESPN only reports on basketball and social justice issues, you been under a rock for the last decade?
Marline Get Nimmo from mets and Clint Frazier from Yanks
Mets Get JT from Marlins
Yanks get Wheeler from Mets
Frazier for Wheeler? nahhhhh
Substitute Floral for Frazier and Matz for Wheeler if you want, but something along those lines
but seems a lot more likely than Mets letting Thor go to Yanks.
It’s tough to know which team you have a problem with that proposal for considering you have 2/3 in your profile name.
But the trade would not be Frazier for Wheeler. It is Realmuto to the Mets. This is not a 1:1 swap
Tom E. Snyder
Not much happening in Vegas, baseball-wise, so they throw a bunch of stuff against the wall so they can say “I told you so” if something happens.
I am so PUMPED at the idea of getting Thor. Mets fans having panic attacks all over social media I see, lol.
Well let me try to be somewhat realistic and give my take on a hypothetical.
Mets get: J.T. Realmuto, Miguel Andujar, Trevor Rogers
Yankees get: Noah Syndergaard, Todd Frazier
Marlins get: Brandon Nimmo, Albert Abreu, Jonathan Loaisiga
I’d be sad to see this happen as a Yanks fan but I think you are close with what it might take. It would also mean they’d be all in on Machado most likely.
I love the idea of this. Here’s my wild world of sports prognosticating:
Noah Syndergaard, Starlin Castro or Martin Prado –> Yankees
JT Realmuto, Sonny Gray –> Mets
Greg Bird, Jeff McNeil, Brandon Nimmo, + 3 Pitching Prospects –> Marlins
Yanks get a starter upgrade and Prado or Castro fill in at second until Didi returns
Mets get their catcher and a reasonable downgrade from Thor but by no means chopped liver
Marlins get major league ready players at first, second and outfield plus pitching prospects
I like this, however as a Mets fan it feels like Noah, McNeil and Nimmo is alot to give up for Realmuto and Andujar. Maybe Thor and McNiel but not all 3.
You’re absolutely hosing the Mets in that deal. They give up Nimmo, Thor, and MCNeil for sonny can’t pitch in NY gray and JTR? That’s too much. The Yankees give up little to nothing in your proposal. Bird and 3 pitching prospects for Thor and Castro? Yeah I’d like that from their perspective.
If Sonny gets included it would be him going to the Marlins. He clearly can’t handle New York.
My opinion is this is a leaked report from yankee brass as a way to bait CLE into thinking they have options.
Wilpon wouldn’t trade Bruce to the yanks 2 years ago. They’re not trading them one of their elite SPs.
Exactly. This makes no sense at all. JT is good but not this good.
Yanks get Syndergaard, Mets get Realmuto, Clint Frazier, Marlins get Gary Sanchez, Chance Adams, two Mets prospects. Yankees sign either Ramos or Grandal, Yanks also sign Machado. Mets pivot and sign Keuchel.
To the Yankees –
To the Marlins =
Andujar (Yankees), Adams (Yankees), Nimmo (Mets) (Rosario (Mets)
To the Mets –
Realmuto (Marlins), Sonny Gray (Yankees), Thairo Estrada (Yankees)
No! Not Thor to the Yankees. I don’t care who we get back.
Why would the Mets part with one (or both!?) of their marquee starters for two years of JT? There are other options out there that don’t require gutting your rotation. Grandal, Mesoraco, Lucroy, or Ramos, while not top tier, would make a better option than sending Thor or deGrom. Are the Mets strapped for cash?
It’s crazy how MLB can’t make up their minds. I just saw trades a few years ago where they were saying position players are worth more and everyone seems to think catchers are worth more than other position players so how did it all the sudden become Thor has three years and is more valuable than Realimoto. Gray has very little value to the Yankees so I’d call their bluff and tell them to start him away all year. Syndergard should be traded to the Angels, Phillies, Braves, or like teams; teams who need to take the next step or teams like the Angels who need immediate upgrades. Angels should do the unthinkable but first should trade Upton, sign Harper/Machado and then trade Simmons and Trout. What do you people think Simmons brings back and where’s he go, back to Atlanta?
So, you’d trade him within the division to the Phillies or Braves for him to torment the Mets for years to come and make their rivals tougher to beat. You’ve been called out
You and gm’s are ignorant if you don’t take what you believe to be the best player/prospect package possible because of the perceived fallacy that those teams in division are somehow more of a competitor (I understand you play them more and are fighting for the guaranteed playoff spot). The way to make fans not care which is the only reason I came up with for not doing the trade is to get better or comparable players back and or win. Not well said but I’m sure you understand what I’m saying. Where did all this love for the guy come from? His name is at least a third of it and the Mets gm understands this. Are there ten other pitchers you’d rather have, twenty, etc. His injury history alone screams big risk, unless they think this is their year and even then free agent pitchers are available who are comparable.
The yankees will get Robinson c from the mets. The mets will get a catcher. Marlins will get prospects or young players from the yankees. mets pitchers aren’t going anywhere.
Mets get: realmunto,Frazier and a pitcher
Yanks: get synderguard and one of Miami’s relievers
Marlins get: the Mets prospect shortstop, Florial and either abreu or Adams
Hicks for Wheeler. One year of control for each. Fills both teams needs.
Does it fill NYY? They now would be relying on an unproven concussion prone Clint Frazier in CF. Or I suppose Gardner. I’d have to think they would be better off signing JA happ and keeping Hicks if that were the only alternative.
Happ wants 3 years and no doubt gets 2 yrs at least 36 and honestly I think Wheeler will be better next year at about 3 million in arbitration. Yankees as you said could play a combo of Gardner/Frazier/ Ellsbury … Of course too. Get someone else now or later if need be. Save money for other free agents … Mets to save money with Hicks is about 3 million. Both teams will fill,needs with low costs … A wash really. If I’m the Mets I need something to boot.
This is getting wild!
Yankees get: Neil Walker, Giancarlo Stanton
Marlins Get: Derek Jeter
Mets get: Robinson cano
Yankees decline. Cashman says he wouldn’t trade for Stanton twice.
Mets: Realmuto and Conley
Marlins: Florial Abreu Seigler
Thor-JTR-Sanchez is a beast of a blockbuster. Get it done!! We gettin bored around here!!!
It was a boring day.The Mets don’t need another catcher who can’t frame pitches they already got D’Bum.
Marlins: McNeil, Loaisiga, Plawecki/d’arnaud, mid level Mets prospect, mid level yankees prospect
Yankees: Wheeler, Castro
Trading Realmuto to the Mets and the Yankees getting Thor would be the most Miami marlins thing to ever happen.
I’m not sure I’m even understanding what is being speculated on here… is the 3-team deal the Yankees somehow ending up with Syndergaard or is it just them getting some other mid-level guy in exchange for sending additional prospects somewhere to facilitate the trade. Like there is a MASSIVE piece of this potential trade missing one way or the other — either the 3rd big name player being moved or why the Marlins would want the Yankees prospects instead of Syndergaard himself – and how/why that even comes together.
I’m sorry but honestly this whole article kind of seems like a giant bag of speculation about an hypothetical situation that doesn’t even really seem fully fleshed out as a rumor, let alone as a legitimate baseball transaction…
What is Miami going to do with Thor?
Mets get – Realmuto,Bird/C.Frazier, Conley
Yankees get – thor, Castro
Marlins get – Smith, Nimmo, Gray,loaisaga and Abreu/Adams
This is akin to trading Judge and Torres going to the Mets for Todd Frazier, and Jason Vargas, Miami gets the Bobbu Bo contract, janky Ellsbury, and a PTBNL that is Stanton. It’s that ridiculous. You might as well have offered Mike Trout + Money for Tebow and a sack of balls.
How is it akin to that? The yankees are not trading bird and frazier for Thor, the mets are getting the best catcher in the game right now, plus some depth.
You comment on the wrong one? You lost me pal
Sanchez to marlins, realmuto to Mets, Noah to Yankees
Mets would NEVER trade Syndergaard for just Realmuto.
They’ll stay a loser team then because everything I see says a 4-5 war catcher is worth more than a 4-5 war pitcher, a SS at 4-5 war is worth more than a 2nd baseman etc..
Haven’t had a chance to read through all the comments but I’ve heard that the deal could be structured like this:
Marlins get: Gary Sanchez, David Peterson & Dominic Smith
Yankees get: Noah Syndergaard & Todd Frazier
Mets get: J.T. Realmuto, Miguel Andujar & Adam Conley
Not sure if this is true but it would be a great deal for all teams involved.
Yankees give up way too much in this scenario
I thought so too at first but then I was like, this trade would clear a path for the Yankees to sign both Machado & Grandal. It’s not far fetched.
So the Yankees would have to spend even more to patch the holes they just made? Ehhh idk. If im the Yankees I’d say no. I’d let the Mets keep Frazier and then just swap what they give up with a huge prospect package that includes Florial instead of having to give up both Gary AND Andujar so you are then forced to spend 300M on Machado
No way the Yankees trade Sanchez AND Andujar for Thor and Frazier. Cash would never ever do that.
I just heard an update on WFAN. The Mets would be getting Realmuto & Andujar, the Yankees would be getting Syndergaard and the Marlins would be getting Andres Gimenez & David Peterson from the Mets and Two Top Prospects from the Yankees. This scenario a lot more sense. Yankees get to keep Sanchez. Mets plug two holes without having to trade Rosario, Conforto or Nimmo.
Can’t see a way Mets end up with both realmuto and andujar. Doesn’t really make sense. Sounds like someone just speculating.
That deal makes sense. If you believe Thor is the most valuable piece. The Mets give up Gimenez, Peterson, and Thor for Realmuto and Andujar. Yankees swap Andujar for Thor. That seems fair for both of them if the Marlins are pleased enough with their return.
There are no Aces left on the FA market. Andujar can be replaced/upgraded with Machado and then you snag Thor. The Yankees don’t have money problems. They can afford Machado’s deal and he’s an upgrade over Andujar. I’d like the Yankees a whole lot more with this configuration than I do now.
Not really. Yankees have been clear they aren’t chasing the market on Machado so trading Andujar makes a lot less sense. Maybe I’ll be wrong but I really don’t see a scenario where the Mets get both of those guys. Besides based on the reports I think its much more likely the Mets would send Wheeler/Matz in this deal and people are just running with the Thor bit.
Except the Yankees
That’s awful for the Yanks. I wouldn’t deal Sanchez straight up for JT! The upside is to big. You want Andujar also in that made up bullshit?
If this is just a means to dump Gray, I can’t see why the Yankees would be involved. There are any number of teams they could dump him to and take back a garbage prospect just to get him out of town. Why would they dump him in this deal just to help the Mets get Realmuto?
I’d love to believe Thor is involved….but I can’t understand why the Mets would part with him. I thought they wanted to win this year, and they can’t do that without their elite rotation.
What business do yanks have in here and some how they get thor? Mets and marlins should just deal with each other but will somehow be fleeced by yankees.
I really hope all this build up for Yankees fan ends up with them acquiring Starlin Castro and Zach Wheeler as their pieces. Nothing wrong with either player it’d just be funny to see the reactions. But In all seriousness acquiring Thor is the exact move NYY needs to make after missing out on Corbin. You do that and I think the yanks had a great offseason. And if that means you swap andujar for Machado, Yankees fans should still be thrilled. It’s not your money and the Steibrenner’s have plenty of it.
Already in back of tabloids. Prophecy will be done lol
I hope it happens, X. I think the best Yankee team you’ll see on the field this year has Thor and Machado in it. Sounds much better than happ and Andujar. Hal can afford to make it happen. No reason he shouldn’t.
Guess I’ll throw in my crazy trade idea. I don’t think the Mets will trade DeGrom or Thor to the Yankees. But, Wheeler could be going to the Yanks.
Yanks get Wheeler and Castro
Mets get Realmuto and Gray
Marlins get Dom Smith, Chance Adams, C. Frazier, J. McNeil,
I don’t buy it
Mets receive JT Realmuto and Chance Adams. Yankees receive Zack Wheeler and Starlin Castro. Marlins receive Amed Rosario, Estavan Florial, Tomas Nido, and a Yankees mid-low tier prospect?
As a Mets fan, I tried to make it the worst deal possible for the Mets so that Yankees and Marlins fans were not upset by it. Thoughts?
Who’s going to play SS for Mets?
The whole purpose of including the Yankees in this trade is so the Mets wouldn’t have to trade Rosario. Btw, let me say that of Brodie Van Wagenen is able to complete this trade and add both Realmuto & Andujar to their current crop of players. Holy crap, not only are the Mets going to be Uber competitive in 2019 but their future would be in a great place.
Amed Rosario(23 y/o)
Miguel Andujar(23 y/o)
Brandon Nimmo(25 y/o)
Michael Conforto(25 y/o)
Edwin Diaz(24 y/o)
J.T. Realmuto(27 y/o)
Peter Alonso(24 y/o)
This would be one heck of a foundation.
Nice. Lets see what happens.
If the Yanks trade Andujar to the Mets and the Mets get JT also something went terribly wrong in Vegas!
That deal will not happen. Nor will the Yanks add Florial with Andujar.
Maybe Chance Adams or Kahnle or another reliever but not Florial or Andujar.
To Mets: JT, Kahnle
To Miami: Andujar, Thairo Estrada, Chance Adams
To Yanks: Syndegaard
Let’s be fair here, yes the Mets are trading Syndegaard who has a history of injuries and not going past 160 innings but remember Andujar almost won rookie of the year and is a major leaguer. The Yanks will not have to and should not have to include Florial in this deal.
If the Mets get Realmuto & Andujar then they are trading at least 1 of the guys you listed them having.
Like maybe they trade Amed to Fla then trade Noah to NYY – that lands them JT and Miguel
Otherwise it’s likely Realmuto to Mets, Thor to Yankees and Andujar to Marlins in a 3 team trade
I’m not trading that many prospects for Wheeler as a Yankee GM. Florial??? Wheeler will be a free agent after this season.
Good point. Wheeler would be nice but with one year of control that certainly must be taken into consideration in value.
Wheeler is tough to value. He pitched better than deGrom post-all star break, but can he continue? I watched every game he’s pitched this year and 90% of his starts since he became a Met, and he looks like a completely different pitcher now. He is much quicker between pitches. He attacks the hitter and doesn’t nibble anymore. He is confident and doesn’t hang his head after he gives up a couple of runs.
HIs downside is injured and flames out, which isn’t something to completely ignore.
He could be a TOR, but I think at worst he is a #3. I’d love the Mets to extend them, but I understand if they trade him in a package for a stud position player with multiple years of control left. Not realmuto though….as Grandal or Ramos gets just as good of a bat and lesser catching skills AND they would keep a solid pitcher and at least 1-2 prospects.
I never want the mets to do a trade with the Yankees again as long as Cashman is at the helm…he is arguably the best GM in baseball over the past few years and he has the resources and talent below him to build a juggernaut.
Agree with you on a lot here. Questions: What do you think Salvador Perez would cost from KC. Where does he grade out defensively. Do you think he’d cost more or less than JTR? Grandal would cost a draft pick. After the trade with Seattle and giving up the youth, I would think the NYM’s would want to keep as many picks as they can.
Perez’s salary jumps to Cervelli territory this season, which is pricey. His AAV was a hair under $9m, but his contract was backloaded for another 2-3 years. Trading for Cervelli would only be for 1yr and cost a lotto ticket prospect if they take all of his salary.
JTR is easily valued much more. I eoulsn’t Mind Grandal. I loathe all of these “proposals”, so i’m hoping the Mets pass on JT.
The mets already said no to Rosario for JT, why they heck would they move Rosario AND Wheler for JT and freaking Chance Adams….that is asinine. Even the Mets FO isn’t that dumb….and they are pretty dumb on the best of days.
Long shot at best.
marlins will get Sanchez and prospect.. Yanks get Thor.. Mets get Realmulto and Florial.
use Florial as trade bait with either Kluber or Bauer.
Sanchez value is equal regardless of his poor year to JT. The Yanks already states they will not deal him.
Three-ways are always fun.
If I’m the Yankees I attempt to get Thor, trade away all that “OF depth” Cashman speaks of and sign Harper.
Hicks , Frazier , florial , chance adams , etc I could all see as pieces to be used.
Add Judge and Stanton also. Trade them all away for a pitcher with a violent delivery whose always hurt! Smart idea.
Who pitches the must win game for the Yanks in 2019? Gun to your head….you’d be worried. That is why a guy like deGrom, Scherzer, and a few others exist. Syn isn’t there yet, but his career numbers are pretty filthy. However, Syn is the only one who could be attainable, so he is likely the best pitcher on the market AND has 3 years of control.
Who would you choose on the Yankees for the do or die game?
Cash- get this done. Thor is exactly what we need and the risk we should take. bring on the sox and stros
rotation off the trash heap
works for me
Really hope this reader falls through. Hate the jankees for doing this kind of thing.
Sounding like old school baseball where multiple teams get together to put together deals..While my Phils aren’t involved, I find this type of thing exciting..when you think about it with out the details, you can see this working out if it does in fact take place.The Guppies want young upside players for J.T. who already said won’t extend there. The Mets want a very good catcher but want to hold onto to certain prospects..The Yanks want that additional arm to solidify their rotation.. These things are what make baseball so great..well, to me anyways….
It’d be a big mistake to give up Thor now. Realmuto is not worth it. I’d much rather trade d’Arnaud back home to the LA area where he grew up a Dodgers fan for Puig who’s worn out his welcome in LA, then sign Grandal.
Interesting. That would be an improvement for the Mets if they could sign Grandal, without much of a sacrifice and naturally does not stop the Mets from other moves.
Don’t get me wrong, the trade theoretically fits all 3 teams for the better as long as Miami gets the prospects they want… But if the Mets truly are in “win now” mode, how does losing a top 20 starting pitcher (when fully healthy) help winning now?
stan lee the manly
Probably they have a gaping hole at third base and they would be bringing in a guy to fill that hole who could have won rookie of the year in most years.
stan lee the manly
stan lee the manly
And they have a gaping hole at catcher and they could be bringing in the best young catcher in the game. Either player is an upgrade where they are weak from dealing from an area of strength
How about McNeil? Dude hit .329 and had .852OPS. He has played 2B very well and has some experience at 3B. He’s also league minimum (Wilpons are BIG fans of that) and his MLB clock is <0.5yrs. They also have Todd Frazier who can play good defense and hit .220…ugh.
Andujar also was graded out as the single worst fielding 3B in the majors. The Mets could put an athletic OF there and they would likely play better. Andujar can hit, but he doesn’t have a position on an NL team.
I like McNeil. But let’s not go crazy based on less than a half of season of play. Andujar played a full season and is a monster as a hitter. The question is can his fielding be improved. But there is no comparison between him and McNeil.
stan lee the manly
I didn’t realize that McNeil could play third, that could be a great option for the Mets. Very good point. He is pretty unproven though, so definitely some risk involved. And I agree with you on Andujar, there was a ton of chatter early about Carlos Martinez to the Yanks for Andujar and I was praying that the Cardinals stayed far away from that noise. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Andujar end up at first. But there’s no denying the dude can hit.
Annnnd…. I do find xablal to be very annoying.
Does Jeter still work for the Yankees?
It’s not a 3 team trade at all. It’s the Yankees and their AAA team run by Jester involved in a deal with the Mets.
Miami Marlins are gonna be the new Yankees Triple A affiliate lol Yankees GM is gonna send them the prospect and went they big league ready jeters will ship them back!
If the Mets give up Thor I think I would rather get Andujar over Realmuto.
Thor and Realmoto to the Yankees
Sanchez to the Marlins
Andujar to the Mets
MIx and match prospects depending on your bias
Thor, Realmoto, Belanger and Verdugo to the Yankees
Stanton and Tanaka to the Dodgers
Sanchez. Bird and Gray to the Mets
Andujar and prospects to the Marlins.
Yankees sign Harper and Machado.
Stanton and Tanaka for Bellinger and Verdugo, eh? Yeah that’s a nice dream.
I’m pretty sure The Show would laugh at that propose and reject it and people make some stupid trades in video games.
3 years of Syndergaard, 5 years of Andujar, and 2 years of Realmuto.
The value of these primary players are fairly close. The Mets would need a little bit more than just Realmuto to make it worth giving up Thor. I’m thinking something along the lines of the following:
Yankees – Thor and a lottery pick lower level prospect from the Marlins
Mets – Realmuto and Florial (Yankees #1 prospect)
Marlins – Andujar
And I could see Starlin Castro being involved as well in some way shape or form going to the Yankees.
As well as sending Mets or Yankees the contracts of Chen or Prado if the Fish are only getting Andújar plus sending a lottery pick type prospect.
From the Marlin’s perspective, getting 5 years of Andujar (2 of which are very cheap years) in exchange for 2 years of Realmuto plus giving up a lottery pick isn’t too shabby.
Wow so Yanks really get crushed in that deal? Florial and Andujar huh?
Three years of Syndegaard is worth more than 5 years of Andujar. By WAR or just the smell test. Andujar is a flawed player and Syndegaard is a legit ace. Yankees would have to put up extra value on top of Andujar to get him. But I agree Florial and Andujar straight up is a bit steep – hence the lottery pick coming back to the Yankees.
As a Mets fan who has also watched a lot of Yankees games,, am I crazy in thinking I rather have Andujar than Realmuto. If the Mets are giving up Syndergard in a trade, they need to get a lot more than Realmuto.
Cubs send Albert Almora and Willson Contreras to Miami for JT Realmuto.
Andujar, Luis Medina, Andres Gimenez and David Peterson to Miami, Realmuto and Steckenrider to the Mets, and Syndergard and Castro to the Yanks
I’d rather have syndergaard with darnaud than realmuto… but that’s just me
Please don’t trade away Andujar cashman. Please DONT. Even tho Machado is a superior player right now I’d rather have Andujar for the next 10
Can the Mets stop playing this stupid “Will they or won’t they?” game with trading Noah Syndergaard already?
I think the Yankees should get both syndergaard and realmuto. A package of gray, bird, voit, ellsbury and maybe chance Adams is fair. Mets and marlins can fight over who they want. All those superstars is enough compensation for those two.
That wouldn’t get half of Realmuto OR Syndergaard. Wait…did I just fall for it. This can’t be real.
Got you man 😉
Those players combined wouldn’t get either player. Yanks would have to throw in Frazier, florial or andujar. Can’t give up nothing and get everything in return like most yankee fans post on here
Thank God. You’ve restored my faith in humanity. If only a little.
Great deal only for the yanks
MccInnis you must be a Yankee fan because your trade proposal is the Yankees for Thor and Realmuto. Wow I’ve seen some bad trade proposals but that’s right up there with the all time bad ones. Congrats.
No I’m a Sox fan. I was super sarcastic because yankee fans always want gold for their trash. They would need to include Frazier, Florial and/or andujar just for one of them
.329 / .381 / 471 / .852 (2.4 WAR in 225 ABs)
.297 / .328 / .527 / .855 (2.2 WAR in 573 ABs)
Both just finished their rookie seasons. Who would you take?
One of them is 26 years old and only had 225 at bats. One of them played a full season at age 23 and was second place in ROY voting. I’ll take player B.
Where does he play? He has been a butcher at 3B and Stanton will be DH’ing nearly full time in another year or two.
Did you expect him to come up as a gold glove 3rd baseman? Just like it takes time for bats to develop, it can take just as long or longer for the glove to come around.
Player B based on the info I have. He sustained it longer. Who are the two?
Jeff McNeil and Andujar? I have close but different stats for Andujar… Anyways, I’d choose Andujar because he did it longer… 225 AB is nothing… Neither is 573 but it’s more than twice McNeils
…and basically the same WAR in less than 1/2 the ABs of Andujar. That is how bad Andujar’s defense is compared to McNeil.
If it’s Andujar and bring back Syndergaard, I think I’d pass. That’s too big a price for an oft-injured SP, no matter the potential.
mets get jt realmuto
yankees get zack wheeler and desmond lindsay
marlins get brandon nimmo, dom smith, clint frazier
who says no?
Mets and Marlins. Yankees don’t get Wheeler and Lindsay while only giving up Frazier.
Lindsay doesnt even count hes nothing of note. Same for dom smith.
Basically its wheeler, with 1 tear of control, and nimmo for realmutto.
That’s a fairly good deal.
Yankees add 1 decent prospect for miami and that looks like a solid deal.
Marlins andujar, rosario
Yankees matz or wheeler
the Yankees give up Frazier and get Wheeler? Insane.
What’s insane about it? Di you know how baseball works?
1 year vs 6 years of control means alot.
No Yankees are giving up Andujar and Frazier for Wheeler.Itsthe Yankees getting screwed in this deal
you have to remember that Mets are going for it as well.. so in order to part with Thor, we going to need prospects as well to get Kluber in place, or this is not going to happen..
Update leads me to believe its more likely matz or wheeler would be delt to yanks if andujar where involved.
The Yankees are not giving up Andujar for one year of Wheeler.
I highly doubt the Yankees are giving up Andujar for Matz or Wheeler. Neither one of them would help the Yankees.
Thor a Yankee. Please no!!!
Why please no? He is easily as valuable as Severino, and having them at the front of the rotation would be great.
Frustrating! The Cubs could have got Syndergard from the Mets for Almora and Quintana. It would have filled the Mets need for a solid CF and return a quality arm in their rotation. It would give the Cubs the ace they need AND save them money. The Cubs brass seems to think that what they have is going to be enough. But it wasn’t enough last year and the Brewers and Cardinals are both going to be better. Darvish is a head case that will almost certainly be injured at some point again. Lester and Hamels are good, but on the decline, and unless Hendricks learns a knuckleball, the league is going to sit on that changeup more and more.
Jesus yikes that would have been so bad for the Mets.
elscorcho the marlin
Don’t kill me people. Just asking. Would it be too much for the marlins to get andujar and gray in this deal?
I don’t think the Marlins would want 1 year of Sonny Gray when they are going to be in last place next season.
Possibly, but I do not think the mets will basically do a Thor Realmuto swap. The Mets would want to see more, and I would imagine the Marlins want to see some prospects as well. Maybe Gray to the Marlins with some prospects from Yanks and Mets and Andujar to the mets
elscorcho the marlin
Sounds like that’s reasonable. Thank you.
I think the Marlins would rather the Yankees trade Gray to another team for a prospect(s) and then send them to the Marlins in the deal.
3B Miguel Andújar – Marlins
SP Syndergaard – Yankees
C Realmuto – Mets
Mets receive: Realmuto, Andujar, Ellsbury,
Yankees receive: Wheeler, Vargas, Frazier
Marlins receive: Tim Tebow , sports legend
Mets – Realmuto and top 20 prospect from Yankees (Loaisiga or Schmidt)
Yankees – Thor and Castro (Castro can fill in at 2nd, Torres to SS, Yankees pursue Machado)
Marlins – Gray, Andujar and top prospect from Mets (Kilome or Nido) and two top prospects from Yankees (Abreau or Adams and Loasiga or Estrada)
If the Mets really want to compete for the division next year then just sign Grandal and keep all your starters. They would have a great rotation and they have improved offensively and if they stay healthy they could contend for the division next year.
I agree. But after picking up cano’s salary it may make sense to upgrade catcher through a trade, knowing that you could sacrifice one of the best (when healthy) starting rotations.
Mets give: Syndergaard, Ronny Mauricio
Yankees give: Andujar, Clint Frazier, either Matt Sauer or Garrett Whitlock
Marlins give: Realmuto, Castro
Mets get: Realmuto, Clint Frazier
Yankees get: Syndergaard, Castro
Marina get: Andujar, Mauricio, Yankee MiLB pitcher
Did I stumble into a TMZ forum? Moving along. These boards used to be fun to read when they were about baseball.
Yet you just post something that has nothing to do with baseball
Yankees go all in
Yankees get Syndergaard and the Toddfather
Mets get Hicks and realmuto frazier
Marlins get andujar.
The Yanks then sign Harper for LF and Machado to play short until Gregorious comes back, then 3rd, to mega deals. I know the Yankees probably wouldnt spend that much but it would be fun
There is only one Toddfather, and his last name is Helton.
As a yankee fan i’d do that in a NY minute. Thor and Castro for miggy, frazier and Sauer is a no brainer…..
Report: Jeter “insists” he must have Tebow
Non of this is going to happen. Lol!!! Extremely hard to do with all the moving parts!
If the Mets would actually act like a big market team they’d trade Rosario and sign Machado. Of course they won’t do this, oh well.
It looks like trade Rosario and sign Freddy Galvis from the comments about a D minded stopgap.
Is this a joke. Rosario for Realmuto. No way. Can’t be
Interesting trade suggestions with some of the names that seem to be floating around already. I will give my trade speculation, but will preface this first.
First, everyone has to remember that this is not the final offseason move that the Yankees and Mets do, so leaving a hole is not as much of a big deal as if this deal were done in March. The final move, if it happens, may also be setting the Yankees and Mets for trades with other teams as well, or opening the doors on certain free agent signings. For the Marlins, this is their one big move if they trade both Realmuto and Castro in the same trade, which looks like is being seriously discussed in this one. With this said, I think we’re looking at the following key parts in this trade:
Mets get Realmuto, Sonny Gray, prospect or 2 or PTBNL from the Yankees, and maybe an additional piece from the Marlins like one of their relievers.
Yankees get Syndergaard and Castro
Marlins get Andujar, Brandon Nimmo or Michael Conforto, Travis dArnaud, and mid/low balancing prospects from Yankees and Mets (depending on what those teams give up on the back or middle ends of their packages)
With these moves, the Yankees most likely move next on Machado; the Mets move onto maybe giving more of an offer for Kluber or other SP; Marlins just make low-risk/high-reward moves to fill out their roster.
I like it as a Mets fan I think they are saving Nimmo for a deal with the Indians
It’s possible, but they won’t be trading both Conforto and Nimmo this offseason, so that would mean if they hold back from moving one of them to the Marlins, that means that Rosario comes into play as a return to the Marlins. Maybe replace my suggestion of Conforto or Nimmo with Rosario instead. Then, maybe that leads the Mets to signing a SS…like say the now available Tulowitzki.
That deal sucks for the Mets. You swap Thor and nimmo for JTR and Sonny Gray. How does that make them better? Thor and Realmuto are close in terms of value. Nimmo for gray is horrific. That sucks for NYM.
One of the best catchers in the game (if not the best right now) for a talented pitcher that has been injured for the last couple of years, and clearly something is up considering the GM that’s trying to move him is his former agent, who had access to a lot of private information concerning the pitcher. Hardly as close in value as you Mets fans like to think. And if you notice, there was additional stuff mentioned going to the Mets.
At this point in the progression of talks, it seems that my suggestion seems to send more to the Mets than what is actually being reported about the discussions. If you hate my suggestion, you must really hate what is being reported as the actual trade discussion.
Sire you dont want degrom as well?
Thor would have to cut his hair!!!
He cut his hair in the movies, might as well follow
i’m betting Mets will make this trade involving Rosario and sign Tulo for the league minimum. Perfect scenario for Mets and Tulo while he tries to rebuild value with semi-regular playing time on a team trying to contend now.
Absolutely the Mets have liked till for awhile McNeill to third
Mr. Slave's Gerbil
I don’t think the Mets would add Syndergaard in a deal just to acquire Realmuto. So I don’t know how a trade would work between these three but maybe something like:
Yankees: Wheeler, Gimenez, and a Marlins reliever ( Stenkenrider or Conley??)
Marlins: Andujar, Peterson, Mauricio, and a Yankee wildcard prospect (Chance Adams?)
Before I get killed for this… I would think the Mets would do this trade in a heart beat. However, not sure the return for the Marlins would be adaquate and not sure if the Yankees would give up 5 years of Andujar for a return largely built around 1 year of Wheeler. I guess we’ll wait and see…
That works for the Mets; not for the Yankees or Marlins.
Been saying this for days now. Iglesias is the same type of player as Rosario was in 2018. Rosario certainly has the POTENTIAL to be better in the future, but if we’re in “win now” mode, we shouldn’t be trading players the caliber of Syndergaard and Nimmo while praying that Rosario realizes his potential
The Mets would absolutely trade Thor I think bvw as his former agent knows something and they want Indians pitchers
I’ve been saying the same thing about the Mets GM knowing something, which is why he’s trying to move Syndergaard. I think there is an injury that he knows of that doesn’t show yet on medicals, and he can’t release due to previous agent/client privileges. However, he can make moves based on knowing it.
If you listen to WFAN today, the met fans expect Noah to get them Andujar, Sanchez and top minor leaguers.
What a lineup cf McNeill Conforto Realmuto cano Alonso another outfielder pitcher crept at trade deadline
No joke, but if Brodie makes this deal, Mets fans are gonna start showing up at his front door…
Loved the Cano/Diaz deal, and I love the idea of Realmuto with the Mets, but at this point it seems like they’d only be hurting the team if they traded for him.
If you really want a catcher, just sign Ramos for 2yr/$30M, simple as that.
Mr. Slave's Gerbil
This makes the most sense. Trading Syandergaard or Nimmo/Conforto creates too big of a gap to fill. Brodie should use free agency to address Catcher and the Bullpen then use whatever prospects he has left such as Gimenez to find a CF.
Just trade Rosario and Peterson for Realmuto already.
And keep Syndergaard.
Sign Gio,Miller,Robertson and maybe Asvril Garcia to play Rf.
That will be 2 Rt handed bats in Realmuto and Garcia
It’s going to take more than just that. Nimmo or Conforto will also need to be done in the deal. So, it’s either trade Rosario along with either Conforto or Nimmo for Realmuto or combine with Yankees and trade Syndergaard to get you pieces as you are moving either Rosario or Conforto or Nimmo along with the Yankees kicking in Andujar. The Mets are going to have to give 2 players that you want to keep no matter what. The Marlins are in the business of making themselves better; not making the Mets better by taking less for Realmuto…especially after the talks have gone this far to where the Marlins know that they can get Andujar and either Rosario or Conforto or Nimmo, as they will very likely also get d’Arnaud to fill the catcher’s role.
You don’t get one of the best catchers in the game, who is vastly underpaid, for a small return. You have to give something of value to get something of value.
Good points but, you can’t treat jtr like he is piazza or carter. He is not.
Dagoat, JTR def won’t be Piazza, don’t see that anybody will, but absolutely has the ability/skill set to have a Carter type of career.
Regardless, the Fish have an extremely valuable asset at, arguably, the most important position. It only fuels their leverage that over a dozen teams are after him.
Fair deal: Mets trade Syndegaard and get Realmuto and a Yankee prospect
Marlins get Andujar and a Yankee prospect
Yanks get Thor
Rosario and a garbage prospect is not getting Realmutto
Yanks get:Thor and Castro
Mets get: Realmuto and Torres
Marlins get: Andujar Rosario and D’arnaud
Marlins get two good young players to play SS and 3B plus save 10 million or so on Castro’s contract. Yankees get an ace pitcher plus they can sign Machado. Mets get two all stars.
Lol, it’s great for the mets.
Really good for the Marlins and awful for the Yankees.
Not even really good for the Marlins. There’d have to be more on that back end of the package.
Realmutto for Rosario, Andujar and getting rid of Castro’s money is not a good enough haul?
Youre gonna be disappointed when he finally gets traded then.
Rosario is not as valuable as you all think he is.
No way Torres and Andujar both get traded
Whatever the trade. It will happen in a week or so.
Andujar alone is worth Syndergaard or Realmuto., he has 5 years of control the other only have 3. Your really talking about trading the AL rookie of the year.
That’s what no one here seems to get.
Realmutto for 2 years is not worth 5 of Andujar.
They act like they are making fantasy trades
Give up Rosario pick up Tulo as a stop gap. BJ are on the hook for his money. Or bring back Reyes
Yankees need Noah Syndergaard to solidify their rotation especially with health concerns, C.C Sabathia has a bum knee Masahiro Tanaka the tear in his elbow ligament and James Paxton has never throw more then 160.1 innings
Yankee are a better team right now then they were last year, Fangraphs has their pitching rated as 7th best in baseball, and their overall pitching rated as 3rd.
And Noah is the definition of Bulldog huh??? LOL
This is what the Mets need to do….
1. Trade Rosario,Gsellman,2 prospects for Realmuto
2. Sign Andrew Miller 3yr/$29mil
3. Sign David Robertson 2yr/$18mil
4. Sign Jose Iglesias 1yr/$4.5mil
5. Trade Matz,Mcneil and Gimenez for Kluber
1. Nimmo lf
2. Realmuto c
3. Cano 2b
4. Conforto rf
5. Alonso 1b
6. Frazier 3b
7. Lagares cf
8. Iglesias ss
Cespedes returning is a bonus..but this team i built is october bound
The team you built is also unrealistic.
1-5 are all lopsided in mets favor
That might not get you into the playoffs this year with the Nats, Braves, and Phills all adding talent!
Yeah, clearly Jeter told Michael Hill to take the worse trade that he can get from the Mets because Jeter wants to improve the Mets instead of his own Marlins. Why hold out for the trade that gets you either Andujar from the Yankees along with Rosario from the Mets or both Rosario and Nimmo from the Mets when you can just scrap that idea, and take the pieces off the table that are already in play for you and insist that the Mets take the better offer back, and just offer the lesser piece of Gsellman. Yeah, that is clearly happening.
Wow, Mets Goggles are more hallucinatory than a lot of hallucinogens out there.
Do you represent the entire Marlins’ fan base, or do you comprise the entire Marlins’ fan base?
Why not have Marlins add Miguel Rojas to the trade? He’s better than Iglesias.n fact his WAR was three times better than Rosario’s last year.
I was actually thinking this as well. With adding Rosario, the Marlins would be able to move Rojas since they also have JT Riddle. Rojas would be the most likely piece to go, unless the Marlins move him to 2B, but then where to play Prado if you add Angujar?
Nimmo AND Rosario?
Jump in a lake Jeter!
Wow, you met fans SEVERLY overrate your players.
What do you think you are getting Realmutto for? I’m curious.
Exactly. They probably think they’ll get Realmuto for Lagares, d’Arnaud, and the Beer Man.
On WFAN today they were talking about how they should get Andujar, Sanchez and top prospects for Noah.
Mets Goggles should be considered a narcotic.
Agreed. Rosario is not a centerpiece.
I think conforto is too much though.
Im not sure the Mets can do any deal workout involving another team. That Route would involve trading a starting pitcher and the mets would actually have more upside doing that.
Synderrguard is a great picture but deGrom is much better. More control versus less control… Yada.
I think the mets should just keep both. I mean has the catching position really hurt the team As a catcher? That’s a serious question Maybe mets fan could tell me
Nimmo had almost the exact same WAR as Realmuto last year. He had a wRC+ of 150, ffs, and he’s pre arb, while Realmuto only comes with 2 years of control.
This isn’t rose colored glasses. Nimmo is incredibly valuable, and probably worth more than Realmuto on his own. Throwing in another current Major leaguer doesn’t make any sense.
I understand the marlins price is justifiably high, but if this is that price than walk. not even walk. Run.
If the price is Rosario + prospects, I’m down, but Rosario + stud pre arb player is way too steep.
Nimmo is not worth more than Realmuto in any parallel or alternate universe. WAR is a joke, especially when you’re trying to compare a dime a dozen corner OF to what is probably the best catcher in MLB.
Dear goodness stats guys really need to watch a game. Saying that Nimmo is probably worth more than Realmuto is just laughably stupid. And the addition of that statement not being rose colored glasses is just classic.
Im not high on JTR, but i think you are right about a few things. WAR fits when discussing players responsible for similar game tasks. Also Nimmo is still a work. Conforto has proven more at this point, but and OF both are extremely Replaceable.
Much more so than a starting catcher.
Try and understand stats before you use them.
I can find you 20 corner of’s who can produce at or near nimmos level.
They guy cant hit left handed pitching, thus is not even a complete player.
Teams all over the league use 2 guys out of a corner of spot to get nimmos production for not much money.
There are ZERO catchers out there than can produce at realmuttos level offensively and defensivly.
Not getting him cheaper because you have an emotional attatchment to mets players who really aren’t that good when compared to the rest of the players available at that podition.
It’s a little thing called suppy and demand
Even more so than a an elite 5 tool position player at the Catcher position, in his prime.
Even more so for an elite 5 tool player, at the Catcher position, in his prime.
Nimmo hit .234 against lefties which isn’t very good but he’s still learning how to hit lefty’s, L on L in probably the hardest thing to adjust to at the big league level. That being said his obp was .351 against lefties which is awesome. Now his real value is against rhp where he put up superstar type numbers, so yea I would say he has more value than Realmuto.
Well, the rest of the world seems to disagree with the dimwit community that insists on wearing Mets Goggles.
What ? All I’ve read in the comments is Nimmo + Rosario is an overpay. I understand it’s frustrating being a marlins fan and basically having only one piece of true value you want to capitalize and get the most possible especially in a trade with the Mets. But, you should still be objective.
Um, it isn’t I that needs to be objective. See comments above from non-Mets fans. We all see what you fail to see.
Take your own advice. Start with removing the Mets Goggles. Nimmo is not more valuable than Realmuto in this universe or any universe. That’s laughably stupid.
What is it I fail to see exactly? Nimmo is a phenomenal young talent and a package built around him is perfectly fair.
Over 600 PA vs rh in career.
20 hr, 64 RBI.
That qualifies a corner of’r as a superstar in Mets Land.
And it will be, with Rosario added. Nothing less.
What you really fail to see is how laughable thinking Nimmo is more valuable than Realmuto is.
A guy whose greatest trait as a player is trying to get hit by pitches or begging for walks is hardly a “phenom”
Stop making fun of Nimmo. He’s clearly right there with Ted Williams. It’s insulting to think that Realmuto is more valuable than him…even equal in value to him. Marlins should be using Realmuto as the centerpiece of a package to acquire Nimmo.
Don’t you know when kids are in Little League, we have to teach them to step into one or wait for the wild pitcher to walk them. That’s what they should be doing in the batting cage. Such a waste of time to teach kids how to hit when all that will matter is their OBP.
In 2018, which is what I was clearly talking about he hit .275/.424/.521 against right handers. Those are elite numbers
I’m not sure I’d put ted William’s on Nimmos level.
Nimmo is in a league of his own.
14 hrs and 38 rbi?
Did you consider Adam lind a superstar a couple years ago?
Lol, Mets fans are clueless
Adam lind 2017 vs righties.
Those are very elite numbers against right handers.
Adam lind = brandon nimmos production last year.
Something tells me you didn’t consider adam lind worth all that much.
You’re comparing a 35 year old who’s been a butcher in the field his entire life to nimmo. They both have elite stats against right handers, other than that I fail to see any more comparisons.
Hey Boogoloo, you know who posted a combined 5.3 fWAR at the catching position last year? Francisco Cervelli/Diaz. How’s that for getting realmuto’s value out of a platoon since you like to use that topic for nimmo. Realmuto has a high value, sure. But as you’ve seen if it’s a ridiculous asking price teams will pivot elsewhere. Grandal is a FA, as is Ramos. Cervelli himself could be available for a HELL of a lot less. He’s not the only game in town.
With all that being said would I do Realmuto for Nimmo straight up if I were in the Mets position? Yeah, I would but I wouldn’t be giving them my SS as well. Preferably I’d center a deal around Rosario and my prospects.
You just quoted a player’s RBI total.
Nimmo was more valuable than Realmuto last year. Those are the facts. Look it up
“WAR is a joke”
OK now I get why your trade proposals are so terrible. You don’t understand that the goal of baseball is to win baseball games
Not happening. Nope!
Cover your ears, close your eyes, and start yelling, “Na na na na na na na na na na na!”
Least baseball related stuff I’ve ever read in a 400 post MLBTR comment thread lol
What a joke, I heard the Marlins GM Hill on the MLB Network and he called Realmuto a unicorn, well this trade is a fantasy. Brody and the Marlins are a fantasy. Cash realized that these guys are just a waste of time.
Yet, the trade negotiations continue.
Too bad Mia wasn’t as bullish on the rest of the players they gave away last year. Could’ve gotten much better returns.
I get the Mets need a catcher but to get realmunto will either cost them syndergard or key pieces of their major league team why don’t they just go get grandal or Ramos save the prospects and starter
Agreed. I’d rather have my pitching staff come back Then have JTR behind the plate
The Mets are going for one final Hail Mary before the inevitable rebuild. That rebuild will likely start in the summer of 2019. Or next winter.
Either way, Realmuto can be flipped. Possibly, even for a profit, it it’s this summer.
A free agent signing probably can’t be, they’re stuck with him, or at least a lot of his salary, through the rebuild.
Realmuto is only controlled for 2 years.
Nimmo is controlled for 4 years, and his contributions are terribly underrated….even by the Mets. His 4.4 WAR in 2018 is understandable.
Rosario is controlled for 5 years. Right now at age 23 he’s a project. Streaky. His 0.8 WAR is understandable. (I’m not a fan; while athletic and toolsy he displays little instincts and shows a low Baseball-IQ….particularly bad for a SS).
The common analysis is that the Marlins would be getting 2 good young players under control for 9 years, in return for 2 years of a sensational catcher. Seems at this point that the Marlins should balance it out a bit with a so-so relief pitcher for Eiland to work with.
Mets can sign Adeiny Hechavarria and/or Jose Iglesias, factor in some injuries for them/him, and they’re marketably improved for 2018. Marlins have 2 building blocks or they can move Nimmo for a few pieces – the Indians in particular love him.
Marlins don’t have to balance anything out. Remember, the Mets are trying to convince the Marlins to trade Realmuto within the division. If the Mets don’t blow them away with a package, they’ll trade him to another team outside the division that has a similar caliber of package.
How many true yankee fans want Machado? If I was cashman I wouldn’t throw the 300 million on him after he admitted it.
As a Yankee fan, I’d offer him 8 year deal worth 260 million with opt outs after year 4 and 6. Definitely would not go longer than 8.
I think Philly will over pay for him, they need an impact bat right now to help their young line up. I don’t see the yankees as a fit for him. They already have a young core in place, no need to mess it up. I see them getting Daniel Murphy or maybe Jose Iglesias for one year until DiDi comes back.
If the yankees offer 8 years for 280 which comes out to be 35 and the phillies offer 10 years for 300, are they really outbidding the yankees by much.. Would you rather make 35 mil a year or 30. And Cashman wouldn’t be discussing moving andujar if he didn’t think they had a REAL shot at getting Machado(which he has confirmed that they’re interested).
I think Philly will do their best to get Machado & Harper. I just don’t see Cashman adding machado to their young core where they have Andujar & Torres. Andujar was runner up to ohtani for al rookie of the year and want to trade him this offseason. Mets will be dumb to complete the trade
Lets see are the Yankees better with Noah and Machado or Andujar and 36 year old Happ.. I’ll go with option A,.
Mets are dumb if they trade Thor in that three team trade if it does happen. I thought they were going for it, Why put him in the trade, If their going for it trade Wheeler instead.
Best trade for these three teams would be the following:
Yanks get: Syndergard, S Castro
Mets get: Realmuto, M Rojas, C Adams, Nick Wittgren
Marlins get: Rosario, Andujar, Deivi Garcia and Plawecki/Nido
Yanks get their second starter and second baseman. Then they can sign Machado. Mets can sign a SS if they desire but get a decent stop gap in Rojas, a solid mid rotation caliber arm in Adams, and a solid 7th inning man in Wittgren, and the Marlins get their SS and 3B of the future as well as a decent pitching prospect and a replacement for JTR
yankees are not getting machado, he’s going to go to the phillies. They will over pay and out bid the evil empire for him.
Yeah, then the phillies cant sign trout right? Phew, that was close
They will have plenty of money still to sign trout in 2020
It seems that you Mets fans that are wearing your Mets Gogles are forgetting a key thing in all of this that is in addition to adding what is probably the best catcher in MLB. The Mets are trying to convince the Marlins to trade Realmuto within the division. If the Mets don’t blow them away with an offer, the Marlins will simply trade him to someone outside the division that has a similar caliber of package.
Face it Mets fans. You’re going to give up a haul to get this done…whether it’s a direct trade or 3-team deal.
You’re a rebuilding team with a terrible farm system and only one valuable major league player, getting the best possible package no matter where it comes from is the only thing that should concern you.
Yeah, and guess what, the reports are that the Marlins will either be getting Rosario with Andujar or with Nimmo/Conforto. You aren’t getting the best catcher in the game for minimal trade pieces. Try that, and see how quick Realmuto is traded elsewhere.
Those “reports” are from a three team trade with involves the Mets trading Noah Syndergaard, now tell me exactly why the Mets would need to add Nimmo, Rosario or Conforto in a deal like that when Noah himself is more value than Realmuto. As far as your comment about see how quick he’s traded, he requested a trade last off-season and told the marlins he won’t be resigning and they have yet to trade him. That’s the opposite of quick my friend.
Learn English. Let me clarify for you.
If 3-team trade, Marlins get Andujar, Rosario, and d’Arnaud (no Conforto or Nimmo involved)
If deal only between Mets and Marlins, Marlins get Nimmo or Conforto, Rosario, and d’Arnaud (no Syndergaard)
Is that clear now?
As for the quick comment, it was for effect, but we can go there. If they didn’t trade him last year, what makes you think they’ll trade him to the Mets now for anything less than a maximized trade return?
Again, I’ll ask the same question why would the Mets trade both Noah and Rosario to get back Realmuto ? Noah’s value by himself is more valuable than Realmuto so why would the Mets add ?
Marlins will never get any of the trades you brought up. Do you honestly think the Mets are that dumb that the Marlins are doing a favor by trading him to a team in the NL east? Marlins will not be relevant for at least 5 years so it doesn’t affect anything. Marlins better be prepared to trade him for whatever they can get now bc he is at his most valuable. They know that and so does the Mets. I would never trade Rosario for Realmuto. Nimmo would be the only player I would risk trading.
elscorcho the marlin
Do you not understand the concept of a three team trade? The Mets would be getting pieces from the Yankees and marlins.
Why would you even waste time making this comment ?
Dealing Rosario and Nimmo for Realmuto is asinine.
Dealing Realmuto for only one of them is even more asinine.
I don’t think anyone would disagree with that though
Mr. Slave's Gerbil
If the Marlins front office thinks like you do MarlinsFanBase, this trade will never happen. It doesn’t make sense for the Mets to trade two starting players for one. Although not as good defensively, Wilson Ramos being a free agent doesn’t help the Marlins leverage at all right now considering their offensive production last year was similar. I see the Marlins trading Realmuto to the Dodgers.
And as soon as ramos and grandal sign elsewhere, what does that do to the mets leverage?
Mr. Slave's Gerbil
If Grandal and Ramos are gone it obviously helps the Marlins situation, however, I still don’t think a deal gets done between the Marlins and Mets. I would rather have Nimmo, Rosario, and Plawecki going into next year then just Realmuto. Again, I think the Marlins and Dodgers match up well because the Dodgers have the minor league talent required for Realmuto, the Mets don’t.
You are crazy. Nimmo was more valuable than Realmuto already last year and still has 5 years of control. There is no way the Mets trade Nimmo plus anything for Realmuto. That makes the team worse next year
I would bet this is another baseless rumor..
In the end it don’t matter because the Mets will never trade a legit player to the yankees. Their owner and probably their new GM in the end, will worry more about if the Yankees win it all or not compared to doing what might be the best for their own team..
But just for sh*ts and giggles, this is how i would view the 3 team trade.
Yankees: Thor and Castro( Torres moves to SS and Yankees sign machado, Marlins also save $$)
Marlins: Andujar and some lower level prospects to mid level from mets
Mets, JTR, jonathan holder, SP prospect
The mets now didn’t move Nimmo or Conforto and now have frazier. They could then go to the Indians and attempt to work out a deal for Kluber or Bauer because they were also interested in the mets outfielders,
Marlins are not accepting that deal otherwise this would’ve been completed already. Rosario and d’Arnaud will almost likely be in whatever deal is completed.
D’arnaud has no value. It was a shock they even tendered him.
Unless its Rosario, Nimmo and a decent prospect the Marlins will trade him elsewhere.
Once Grandal and Ramos sign there will be no catchers out there with about 6-8 teams seriously looking for one.
You want a soon to be 30 year old oft injured catcher that has averaged just 65 games a year for his career and is a barely above replacement level catcher that will be afree agent after the season?
I’d give up Andujar for Thor. Easy trade.
It was fun while it lasted guys
Sobriety ? That’s no fun at all !
“Strike this f**cker out !”
whew, Mets dodged a huge bullet!! hopefully we keep Noah and sign a FA catcher
Forget the Yankees. If the Marlins are amenable, I would trade Rosario, Nimmo, and Plawecki for Realmuto and Miguel Rojas.
Realmuto isnt worth both Nimmo and Rosario,,,,creating holes that we would have to fill with inferior players
Actually, that’s a fair offer IMHO. Rojas is a very decent shortstop with a bit of power. He had 11 homers and 53 RBI, and also played 1B, 2B, and 3B last year.
Marlins will not trade him unless they get two elite players/prospects
Which are Rosario and Nimmo.
Yankees get Thor and Starlin Castro
Mets get Realmuto, Andujar, (Adams/Abreu)
Marlins get Nimmo, Bird, Thairo Estrada, German, (Adams/Abreu)
This should be the trade in my opinion.
Feel like everyone wins. Yanks might have to throw a better prospect and Mets have to throw one in towards the Marlins.
Yanks then sign Machado. Roll with Machado (3B), Torres (SS), and Castro (2B) til Didi is back.
Wishful Yankees fan.
Thank God you’re not the Yankees GM.
Andujar, Bird, Adams, German, Abreu, Estrada and take Castros contract?
And you think more prospects on top of that?
How do you figure? All of those guys for Syndergaard is a steal. Look what Red Sox gave up for sale. Plus only prospect Yankees would care about losing in that deal is Andujar.
Plus 9 mil for one year of castro is such a huge deal.
Know your stuff if your gonna stomp on peoples comments.
You want a soon to be 30 year old oft injured catcher that has averaged just 65 games a year for his career and is a barely above replacement level catcher that will be afree agent after the season?
This is not fantasy baseball…. Yankees are not getting any deal done with the Mets or Marlins
if any trade happens for JT it will be with the Braves or the Padres
They will trade him to Astros or Mets.
mets dont have the pieces…. they wont give up the players the Marlins covet. Maybe the stros… but I feel the braves can beat any final offer that the Marlins receive…
The Mets do have the pieces but Miami is unrealistic with their demands. If the Mets offer Amed Rosario straight up for Realmuto, the Marlins should be jumping at that opportunity. Realmuto does not want to be a Marlin and has only 2 years left of club control. Rosario hasn’t even reached his full potential yet and has 5 years of control left. I don’t see why the Marlins would turn that down. Jeter needs to come to the realization that Realmuto WILL NOT net the Marlins two quality MLB players. Just not happening.
If Jeter lowers his asking price… he would surely take 1 of the Braves pitchers over Rosario
And if Jeter did do that, it would just further prove how inept he is at running an organization. Everyone knows that having a quality everyday player is far more valuable than having a quality SP.
So Jeter is ridiculous for asking for a big haul from anyone for JTR but would be considered inept at running the Marlins if he lowers his demand?
Makes sense, Danny B
Brodie Van Wagenen is an idiot. The next Dave Stewart. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/sports/baseball-mets-brodie-van-wagenen.html
Let this be a lesson to anyone who ever believes Brian Cashman when he says they are not in on someone.
Literally nothing has happened yet
Many GM’s play it coy. Cashman is a good GM but no different in relation to announcing his intentions
With everything that’s happening or not happening around JT Realmuto, one thing has become abundantly clear. The Mets & Yankees can improve their ball clubs without including the Marlins. There is a trade that can be had that has Syndergaard in the Bronx and Andujar in Queens. Brodie Van Wagenen & Brian Cashman just need to sit down & work some magic. As for the Marlins, what a joke of an organization they are. They’re asking teams for unrealistic packages for a player, although very good & probably best at his position currently, that’s not even in the same league as Ivan Rodriguez, Mike Piazza, Yogi, Fisk, etc. Realmuto will never be an all time great and teams are right to be turning the Marlins away. In fact, if I were a MLB owner, I would tell every time to ignore Miami’s ridiculous demands and turn their backs to them. Because here’s the reality Marlins fans & ownership. Realmuto doesn’t want to be a Marlin. He’s a free agent in two years. So for everyday that passes and he’s still a member of the Marlins, his trade value will be diluted each and every day. And if the Marlins keep messing around with these ridiculous trade demands, they are going to find themselves with no good players, no more Realmuto after 2020 and all they would have to show for it is stupidity & a Compensation Draft Pick. Good luck Miami. At this rate you’ll be competitive in about 6-8 years.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Danny, This deal never made sense to me long-term anyway for any of them. Hence, I could see it either way; but your points are right. The only NL East team who can make it work directly are the Braves (and they won’t part with their 100 starting pitchers).
I still do not see Realmuto anywhere in the NL East in the end. I could be wrong of course because I am no where close to “in the know”…
As a Yankee Fan, it boggles my mind to think they would trade andujar due to his “defensive flaws” when he was one of the few players who produced all year. Fred Wilpon despises the Yankees and would never trade Syndergaard to them. Move the kid to first. Bird seems to be the weak link, trade him. Sign manny who would play third when didi comes back. They need to resign Happ and give him the three years. I would rather have Happ in there than CC which resigning him due to his clubhouse influence is ridiculous and also resigning Brett gardner when he’s lost it and we have a plethora of outfielders. I would trade Stanton to Dodgers and bring Bryce lefty bat to yankee stadium in a perfect world lol
I don’t think the Yankees putting Andujar on the trading block has anything to do with his defensive shortcomings. Rather, they see that he could fetch them an elite SP like Syndergaard, Kluber or Bumgarner. The Yankees could easily sign Machado to play 3B. As for 1B, I see the Yankees platooning Bird & Voit before Voit takes over the job entirely. That’s just my opinion.
Danny B. I agree. They are not dumping Andujar but you have to give to get and of course Cashman sees Machado can be signed to replace Andujar (and upgrade) while landing Noah or someone else who is a good SP. That is just a good plan.
Our first priority is pitching that i agree. I would trade anyone else in our farm system other than andujar., And there is no way Mets trade Thor or Degrom to Yanks. First Mets Ownership despise the Yankees, secondly their fan base would absolutely fit over it lol. I personally would put Manny at Shortstop until you get Didi back by July hopefully. I would not reduce our offense by trading away one of the best consistent players for the Yankees in 18′. Find another way to obtain a pitcher by resigning Happ who has a excellent numbers against the AL East and a guy who wants to come back and was well liked. Then for the trade deadline in 19′ once Didi comes back you still have Andujar as trade bait for obtain another Starter then. That makes more sense to me….Severino, Paxton, Tanaka, Happ and CC isnt so bad…..
my mind is going wild with all the possibilities
Forget the 3 team trade, forget Realmuto or it would’ve happened already.
Dodgers looking to shed a bunch of players how about a blockbuster with them.
How about Syndergaard and since they need a 2b Cano for Muncy to play 3b,Bellinger Lf,Ruiz C,,Wood Sp and take Puig’s $$ to play Rf or Cf with Conforto playing the