TODAY: The Marlins aren’t allowing teams to discuss an extension with Realmuto, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro reports (Twitter link). This would certainly seem to be an obstacle for the Padres, given Morosi’s earlier news. Beyond the Padres and Dodgers, Frisaro also lists the Rays, Reds, Braves, and Astros as suitors in the Realmuto sweepstakes, and it’s still “hard to handicap who has [the] inside edge” at this point.
FRIDAY: Trade talks between the Marlins and rival organizations regarding backstop J.T. Realmuto are “gaining momentum,” according to Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter). In particular, he adds, the Padres and Dodgers are “believed most prominent” in the current stage of talks.
Those NL West rivals have long been rumored to be in the hunt for a player who established himself as the game’s best receiver in 2018. With two affordable seasons of control remaining, Realmuto is one of the top prizes of the offseason. That has led other teams — even some with established catchers — to enter the fray as well. At this point, it’s not at all clear that any of the previously rumored interested parties are out of the picture entirely. Frankly, there’s still little reason to believe that any given team is a favorite after months of still-unresolved chatter.
It is interesting, though, to see that report of momentum coincide with this additional, new bit of information: The Padres are not just interested in acquiring Realmuto’s final arbitration-eligible seasons. Rather, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (Twitter link), the San Diego organization is “insisting on [a] window to negotiate [a] contract extension” if they are to line up on a deal with the Marlins.
Structuring a deal in such a manner holds obvious appeal for the Padres, who surely do not fully expect to contend in 2019. And that could enable the Fish to maximize their return; no doubt, the Padres’ loaded farm includes quite a few players of interest, with San Diego backstops Austin Hedges and Francisco Mejia also representing sensible targets. But it also comes with some risk for the Miami organization. After all, a failure of the extension talks would mean re-opening trade negotiations, possibly with diminished leverage.
It’s worth bearing in mind, of course, that we’ve been waiting all winter for a Realmuto deal to come into focus. Perhaps it finally will — there isn’t much of a window left before camp opens, after all — but this certainly isn’t the first time we’ve been told of a build-up in talks. (See here and here.)
So weird that after the Acee article explaining that Fowler and company won’t be spending money a lot of money for a few years… now all of a sudden they are players for Machado and Realmuto (with an extension…)
Ssssuuuuuurrrrreeeee.
I’m willing to bet they made promises to Hozmer they would go after big name players in order for him to to sign with the Padres.
I’m willing to bet Hosmer signed his contract because it was the biggest one offered to him. I don’t think professional athletes or their agents (especially SCOTT BORAS) would sign because a team says “we promise we will sign people in the future…. just take our word for it…”
Ummmmmm no
Err… what? It was known from the get-go that the money and the opt-out were the sole reasons Hosmer signed with the Padres. Who is denying this?
I didn’t say sign. I said go after
As in make attempt to sign..
Hosmer signed first and foremost for the money. Although they probably sold him on the rebuild as well.
Hosmer was smart and Moussakas was not. Hosmer took the cash and when Moussakas had a nice extension offer from KC a year earlier, he said no. That was his first mistake. Second mistake turning down the QO so he played for 11 million less money. My point, if a contract offer is within the tolerance and its fair, take it. JD turned down 75 million extension from Detroit. He made 35 million more so good move. Hosmer took the best deal being offered to him and if it doesn’t work out, he still gets paid. Players are making poor decisions these past few years turning down 100 million contracts so if Machado gets 5 year and 150 million and that’s the best offer, he better take it.
Hindsight.
It’s Moustakas
But still, bad business decisions.
Realmuto wouldn’t be very expensive, though. Meanwhile, Machado makes no sense at all.
Padres get him every other weekend. Dodgers get him all other times.
Is there any rule against this? I would absolutely love it if two teams “co-signed” a player and then split custody of him during the season. Let’s make it happen!
Could you imagine if those two teams met in the World Series?
They would have to have a clause in the contract. Call it the “vacation clause”, whoever’s paying more in child support gets to take the kid on vacation.
He alternates between teams every game and then moves on with the winner
kenley, even the holidays?
great post.
Yaaaaay! Two Christmas’
That’s Manny…he’s the one that needs adult supervision…
Good one!
Off all positions a catcher would be the best too
The Braves get him on Tuesday’s, the Astro’s every other holiday.
Astro’s?
For the forty millionth time
Something needs to happen between those three
Jt Harper and manny
Just end it already please
does it rain where you are every day??
Actually once a week.
huh, that surprises me.
Mosquitoes?
Desert mountains
Very interesting. Must mean they’ve agreed in principle, as with the Reds/Yanks Sonny Gray deal
Jon Heyman’s source, as always, Hon Jeyman.
Hon Jeyman’s magic 8 ball.
He would love San Diego but hate playing for the padres
Can’t be any worse than playing for the Marlins.
Funny
Why the hell are the Padres still talking about JTR!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? If I’m Austin Hedges or Frankie Mejia and this happens, I’m requesting a trade.
They very well might get it in the deal lol
Thinking one of them is included in the trade (probably Mejia who is further out from free agency which fits the rebuilding Marlins’ needs better) but if I’m the other I’m requesting a trade as well. There is not going to be any PT for them with JTR on the roster. We don’t need a repeat of 2015 where Austin Hedges spent the year rotting on the bench behind Derek Norris.
Good point RR. 2015 was kind of a wasted year for Hedges development.
Padres are fakers just trying to make who ever get the two are over paying
Do the Padres really want Realmuto, or are they just trying to drive up the price for the Dodgers?
Begging it’s the latter
And JTR’s agent already explicitly said he’s not signing an extension
Lol
Duh
But, you never know, with how the market shaped up again. If anything, it’s 100% better to play at petco then at marlins park
I hope they are too, because if they actually get JTR and Machado the Dodgers really are gonna have competition next year.
With the marlins. Not every team.
Please padres no
100% better, with a better team, and a brighter future
padres would still suck and end up last .
Last no?
3rd place possible. Dbacks are starting a rebuild
Giants are old and horrid
Colorado is coming into their last years of completing
Wait….. just reading the comments…. do people actually think the Padres are contenders for Machado and Realmulto?!?! Do you guys follow this team at all? A) Realmulto won’t be signing an extension. B) Machado will cost WAY too much for the Padres. C) this does not address their TERRIBLE rotation…. and on and on and on
If the rumors of teams lowballing Machado are true then no, he will not cost too much. Agree on the other two points.
That’s true. Not sure how accurate those rumors are…. but even the lowballing might still be out of reach for the Padres. I would HOPE Preller is a little more careful (or gunshy) on his big contracts… (Shields, Myers, Hosmer… not a great track record yet). And to be honest, I’d much rather them wait to bid on Arenado (although he would likely be much more expensive than Machado). But yeah, all in all, no chance (if they are smart) they trade for Realmulto…. and very very very low chance they sign Machado.
Rumors were saying that Machado’s highest offer was 7/$175m. If that’s true if I were a GM I’m pouncing into that race. I wouldn’t even bat an eye if they signed Machado for some guarantee in the low $200m’s. Just don’t give him an opt-out.
100% agree…and this idea of “go get Arenado next year…” Do people really think that the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. will not be after him? That may truly be a $400 million contract. Sign me up for Machado right now!!! Pass on JTR.
Why would they be after Nolan if they aren’t after Manny?
Because Nolan is better
Have you seen Arenado’s number away from Coors? I will take Machado over him.
Wolverines I know one team on that list who won’t be after Arenado and that the Red Sox. They have too many coming free agents of their own to go after a high cost free agent in the next couple of years.
Firstly, I would withhold judgement on the Hosmer deal as it is only one season in. That being said, a gold glove caliber first baseman that makes the entire infield better and can give you .270 20HR+ is worth what the Padres are paying him. While Shieds was a bust it netted Tatis which is a plus. Myers has been a disappointment but they honestly aren’t paying a huge sum for him either.
I would pay $200m for Manny as that probably gets it done. The Padres with their financial restructuring could pay that. An infield of Hosmer, Urias, Tatis and Machado could be phenomenal. I would pull the trigger on JTR if he signs an extension as well. He is a stud and clearly the better option over Hedges. His combination of hitting and defense combined would likely play out better that Mejia as well.
have you seen the Padres talent level of Pitching prospects in the minors ? SD has plenty of money …great ball park. what’s not to like?
Yeah, I saw Eric Lauer get lit up last year in the majors (previous top 10 prospect), I saw Nix get hit hard (top pitching prospect), etc etc….. if you are banking on a pitching staff based on “talented minor leaguers”…. you are in for a rude awakening. The fact, and statistics, would say that out of maybe their top 5 pitching prospects, HOPEFULLY one or two are effective in the majors.
talent wise they are far from the horrible … everyone loves a young Sp prospect, good trade bait and if 2 of them work out with he money the padres have….they can compete in a few years
A lot of ifs for the Padres, especially when the Dodgers have a young core of players that has proven it can play in the majors. Padres fans talk farm system. Meanwhile, the Dodgers keep cranking out rookie of the year contenders.
Before the Padres can talk about competing fort division titles, they need to reach .500 (something they haven’t done since 2010). And before they do that, they need to stop losing 90-plus games (something they have done three straight years). Hinging their entire future on a so-called loaded farm system is unrealistic. Look up MLB’s top 100 prospects from any year. Then count how many of the players actually made it. Not many,
Lauer and Nix have NEVER been considered elite. Top 10 when the system was much less full. Those guys have a ceiling of 4-5 rotation spots. Paddack, Gore, Patino, Morejon…not the same type of prospects.
MLB debuts are VERY misleading. Tom Glavine went 2-4 5.54 era in 1st 9 starts (50.1 ip) in ’87. Then followed up w 7-17 4.56 in 34 starts in ’88. Ended up a 300 game winner AND a HOF career.
Padres can draft but they don’t train prospects. They all end up traded or they suck. Free agent that became a free agent in San Diego 0 in last 10 years. that signed large 150 million contract.
Chris Paddack is the TRUTH!!
Yeah, and Greg Maddux’s first year in the majors he was 5-14 with a 5.61 era. Tom Glavine was 7-17 with a 4.56. Both turned out okay. Saying you saw any one in their rookie year get hit hard as a means of disqualifying them is laughable. The reality is if you are capable of grabbing Manny you have a powerhouse team in the making offensively. San Diego has long been a pitchers haven. With that kind of offense and pitching history whatever you are lacking in the SP department after the prospects pan out you could likely make up for in free agency.
Absolutely true. And Lucchesi has success last year as well.
U named tier 2 prospects. Lauer was top 10 because mlb readiness
Lauer and Nix were brought up because they weren’t the Padres best pitching prospects. The top ones aren’t ready yet. So judging the Padres pitching prospects on Lauer and Nix makes no sense.
what’s not to like? 66 wins last year, that’s what…
Hey goober
Guess what? They did ask for a window to talk extension so do you really think it’ll happen or not? Weaken the dodger further is always a good day
They can talk extension all they want. Actually getting JTR to agree to an extension is a whole nother story. WIth the amount of money that would take it would probably be enough that they would have been able to wait 2 years and sign him in free agency without giving up any of their own trade chips.
Haha still beating this drum.
1. You’d be in a bidding war
2. You’d have to surrender a comp pick
3. Trades happen all the time because you can’t simply wait all.the.time.
Correct
I just want these three over with. They are blocking everything
1. The price point it would take to get JTR to sign an extension with a team he has no loyalty to and that has a long history of failure would likely be high enough to win the aforementioned bidding war.
2. That comp pick would be NOTHING compared to the prospects trading for him now would cost.
3. Sure you can. Now is not the time for the Padres to make moves like this one.
“You tell ’em, Ryan.” — Sonny Gray
Gray’s father is from Cincy and is a lifelong Reds fan and their pitching coach is his former coach from Vandy. What loyalty does JTR have to the Padres?
Also I’m not convinced that Sonny Gray would have beaten what he got if he had waited out FA. Reds might have jumped the gun.
Weaken the Dodgers? They figure to win close to 100 games — without Realmuto.
No quality catcher
Rebuilt outfield
? Mark at short with Seager coming back
Dodgers are good but they’re not that good. They are able to beat up on a weaken nl west
Dumb man
Just like Indians beat up on a weaken al central
A) Players and agents change their mind. And seeing the market for Machado and Harper plummet might make him more likely to sign a good deal.
B) Other than Hosmer and Myers they don’t have money on the books after this season. They have a lot of money freed up then. If they move Myers they can easily afford Machado.
C) It might not address that, but if you have the chance to get a superstar at a bargain, it can’t be a bad idea. They also have SEVERAL pitching prospects. IF 3 of them turn in MLB starters in the next 2 years, their terrible rotation becomes pretty respectable.
JTR isn’t signing an extension with the Padres. He wants to play for a contender which the Padres are not. Their farm system will probably change that at some point but they’re gonna have to start making the postseason in order to change how people view them.
OK Ryan you can’t hide behind a red rooster, LOL
Haha checkout last night’s chat. Steve Adams outed him/her
https://giphy.com/gifs/wtf-what-gif-oaZk0WNSO7fXi
They are still paying Oliveria until the end of 2020
Do you follow this team at all? The Padres make dumb moved all the time.
Their “terrible rotation” will be addressed from within.
Paddack,Allen,Morejon,Gore,Patino,Quantrill,etc.
Or do you not “follow this team at all”?
Baez
Jetes, who can’t go to his ownership left, won’t offer a negotiating window like that anyway.
Put yourself in these players shoes, then think about it…….1) Realmuto would NEVER give the Padres an extension. It is not his choice of he gets traded there but why would he want to stay there once the contract expires? He would much rather get traded to the Dodgers if he could choose the outcome. The Padres NEVER win. 2) Machado………why would he EVER sign a contract with the Padres when the Phillies and White Sox are both willing to throw the same money at him? Both of those teams are better long term options for him than playing for the Padres, then add in he wants to play short, not third. Unlike Realmuto, he (Machado) gets to choose where he goes
Francisco Mejia, Wil Myers, and Anderson Espinoza for JT Realmuto
Frees up the Myers’ money to go after Machado.
**I know this will most likely not happen, but it’s fun to speculate.**
The Marlins aren’t going to take Wil Myers in a Realmuto trade, ok genius? He’s a negative value piece. Negative value pieces are only traded for other negative value pieces.
Ok genius!!! Geez wcr, such a baby. The guy clearly said it won’t happen. Change out of those tight whities, or eat a snickers
If he knows it’s not going to happen there was no point in posting it troll boy. Go have mommy change your diaper and go back to watching Teletubbies.
Well if we are going to determine the point of every post, then no one should ever comment on anything ever because no one’s opinion matters.
“no one’s opinion matters“ … unless I happen to agree with them.
Only one who agrees w this fool is WestcoastRyan
Haha look again Gramps
“Opinions” need to be backed with some kind of reasonable evidence. This is taught in sixth grade. Making a moronic trade proposal isn’t an opinion. It’s moronic.
Don’t mock my Teletubbies until you’ve watched them high as a kite.
If I’m the Padres I’m not competing anytime soon or have any money commitments so take that but instead the trade is
Gore, Mejia, Myers, and Dylan Coleman for jtr
Dumb bro. Mackenzie Gore being added is dumb.
Miarlins would not take any part of Meyers contract let alone the fact Myers suck defensely at all position.
the Padres could trade for Realmuto and sign Machado to play SS till Tatis is ready. this makes sense for the Padres. These 2 players will fit the window of opportunity they are looking into. i also like the Astros to get involved late, trade Tucker for Realmuto and sign Harper. Both seem like good ideas. with Real and Harper the Astros would be in the hunt for next 5-7 years.
If Tucker was offered for JT I think a trade would have been done by now
maybe the astros have not offered yet. IF the astros were in on harper end of year why not now?
The Astros were looking at Harper as a rental to hopefully put them in better position to win another WS. They, like everyone else, knew Harper would go to free agency.
I could see the trade, but I can’t imagine they would sign Harper. It would make more since to resign Keuchel.
What window is that? They are win now players and the padres wont be there for at least another 5 years. Jt is going to be 28 and machado will be 26/27. Makes zero sense lol
Sounds like a jealous Doyer fan
Jealous of what?
“It’s worth bearing in mind, of course, that we’ve been waiting all winter for a Realmuto deal to come into focus.”
Make that two winters, for accuracy’s sake.
These JT talks have gained momentum so many times. You’d think they were at 200 mph by now.
Pleeeeaaaaseeeee Dodgers
If the Padres trade for J.T. Realmuto, it should be after they sign Manny Machado
Although, I will be curious to see if Machado is really a good fit for the Padres, he is a prima donna and it’s known that he is a prima donna
Maybe the Padres need a prima donna they need something to kick them in the back side, if Manny is willing to play 3B it would be awesome IF, one of the best in either league.
It is rumored that the deal with the Padres centers on Realmuto signing an extension. SD can give one of their catchers and a surplus OF. The last rumor I heard on the Dodgers was Verdugo for Realmuto straight.
When the teams go their new tv contracts I think they spent like drunken sailors to show their respective fan bases. Now that it is settled no one wants to offer the next Pujols or Stanton contract in the number of years or even set the market ceiling.
Again the Astros – ’s
The Marlins are an embarrassment to Major League Baseball. If they keep running that AAAA organization this way they ought to be a vote for contraction.
I doubt MLB is blushing just because the Marlins are currently powered by AAAA batteries.
Get it? … ‘currently’? HiLAUGHrious.
I get a charge out of jokes like this.
I positively need to know watts going on here…
what an empowering comment !
It would be funny if there were AAAA batteries, instead it’s just pathetic this organization keeps fleecing people into thinking they’re major league…
We really need a scheduled trade period followed by a free agent signing window. Its a shame that two consecutive off-seasons have been so laborious that fans are pleading for them to end. The Harper/Machado saga should have been a highly anticipated auction,. The JTR market was ripe with interest and, instead of being a hotly contested game of high stakes poker, its became a depressing slog through the mud. The MLB is losing the off-season with this nonsense and something needs to change.
While I agree, this would backfire in a lot of ways if it was just a straight deadline. Harper and Machado would wait until right up against the signing deadline and then all the teams that missed out would have no time to shift and sign someone else. It would be chaos.
Those teams would be foolish if they left themselves unprotected thus deserving what they got. If you want to play that game you better nab a Kakes/Castellanos or Moose/Marwin G type for insurance
I’m sorry, but the off-season was never designed nor intended to be entertaining for the fans. It’s about conducting business. Not interested in making the negotiations of multi-million dollar contracts a sport.
MLB gains nothing by making the off-season more fun for the fans.
… unless they see potential profit in it.
True, It’s certainly not designed to entertain us. But at the same time MLB would gain something from implementing a system that prevented this level of off-season inactivity. The positive image would be a boon for a sport working to increase it’s fanbase. Negotiations may not make the news but a star player sporting a new cap and jersey certainly does. Having the national focus on an MLB transaction is good pub and we have the ability to pepper these events throughout the off-season. Why should we neglect to keep baseball in the public eye just because when we aren’t in competition season. Imagine a year where the regular season runs April-September, postseason October (sometimes early November), Awards season late November, off-season trades are spread throughout December, and free agent signings rule January. February would be filled with articles of chronicling the new faces and predicting how they’ll change team fortunes. March brings spring ball and a glimpse of whats to come then, BOOM, opening day.
Plus, I’ve got to imagine the ability to market newcoming stars for longer periods of time could increase ticket and merch sales for teams/MLB. .
How is baseball losing the off-season? It has kept the sport in the limelight all winter long. If fans like you don’t like it, they can ignore visiting sites like this (which you clearly can’t keep from doing).
I would hardly call THIS the limelight. This circus is being followed in our niche (hardcore baseball fans) but do you think the average Joe has been thinking about baseball since November?
Then why does it matter how long it takes? Are you suggesting further collusion?
The simplest solution is for the fa player to have an idea of what he’s looking/willing to accept. Then set his own deadline for bids on his services. Take a few days to a week to filter through the offers. Finish any last minute negotiations then sign the agreement.
Hope there is a deal to be had out there now, Padres send Mejia,Paddack, and Allen for Realmuto. Dodgers deal May, Lux, and Peters.
Dodgers arent giving up may, lux or ruiz for realmuto a 1 year rental with zero intrest in a extension. I could see verdugo, will smith or alverez but outside of them i dont see them meeting marlins high asking price.
Realmuto would be for two years, but I agree with your point. The Dodgers will get Realmuto, though not for as much in prospects as some think. Friedman played this well by being patient. And even if Ruiz winds up being the main player surrendered (something I doubt), the Dodgers are still well-stocked with catching prospects. They are dealing from strength because they will be good regardless. The Marlins are dealing from weakness as they must trade Realmuto. If he gets hurt, they’ll be left with egg on their face for turning down several acceptable packages. This would result in them getting less for Realmuto than they got for Yelich.
Or if Marlins continue with their current agenda to hold out could also result in the Marlins receiving the huge return they’ve been telling every team that’s called.
Just as much chance that Ruiz get injured as JTR.
Yes, but their is a huge difference: The Dodgers would still be contenders and the Marlins would stink even worse. As you probably are aware, the Dodgers farm system is loaded with catchers. I
2 years, but I agree. I could see Lux, Smith, and then a small piece though.
I just cant see lux either, dodgers deal from areas of depth and infield prospect are something they dont have and will need a solid ss or 2nd basemen in a few years and potential a 3rd baseman after turners deal expires. I think verdugo would be the center piece along with will smith and a lower level pitching prospect. But again i think dodgers are trying to get padres to dole out a huge prospect pool for him.
Heh, yeah I bet you would. That’s a MAJOR overpay. No way you’d get two of our top five, plus a top ten unless you took Myers and his entire contract and threw us back a prospect.
Hopefully the Dodgers get this guy. Can announce him at Fan Fest tomorrow. That would be pretty awesome. Not getting my hopes up at the offseason they’ve had but it is nice to think about lol
LA has traded away a lot of HR’s and could be hurting once the season starts as far as total homers go compared to 2018.
Polluck > puig and has value in outfield besides his arm puig wasnt that good.
Actually agree but I feel the bigger issue for the Dodgers offense was timely situational hitting. Get guys moved or over and pass the baton will win more games than swinging for the fences. Hitting for run production IMO becomes contagious especially when more hitters are involved.
It will be a big project for the new hitting coach for sure.
He fits better with the Dodger’s window of contention. They are in win-now mode and the Padres are still rebuilding. Plus, they already have plenty of catching depth. It doesn’t make any sense why they are in on him.
The Dodgers window isn’t closing anytime soon. If you think about it, they have considerably more catching depth than the Padres: Ruiz, Smith, Wong and, best of all, Caryata.
More catching depth than the padres? What about hedges mejia austin allen and luis torrens. Idk about that 1…
I’d take the Padres’ catchers over the Dodgers’ catchers. But that’s just me.
Totally agree Padres have three strong C’s and to bring this guy in does not make sense unless its a three team trade and there trading Myers to a third team.
Padres would have to attach Tatis or Gore to Myers to move him
To Hosmer i agree with you. Myers is only owed 64m compared to 124m
Tatis is not even remotely going to happen maybe Gore and Myers then sign Manny, but then we get a strong SP in return.
Could eat money, ya know
Dodgers make too much sense
Definitely just Preller trying to mess with a rival clubs price
But JTR with Mejia as a back up isn’t a horrible thought…
Won’t affect the Dodgers price at all. Friedman is too smart to fall for such nonsense. Realmuto or not, Dodgers will be contenders.
Mejia would be wasted as a backup. And he’s not an outfielder or a 3rd baseman.
Manny on an eight yr deal $240M with an opt out in three yrs or four yrs. Strike out the no trade clause and only if he is open to play 3B.
Mejia and Naylor gets it done!
But Mejia is the greatest catching prospect in years and you just want to flip him already?
If the Pads are in and can extend him, definatly give him your money over Machado…
Why? One of those two plays a position the Padres have a surplus at. The other plays a position the Padres have a black hole at.
Wonder where the Padres got that money from????
The Padres are being the fly at the picnic with these supposed rumors, just trying to annoy the Dodgers and trying to drive up the price. If, and it’s a big giant if, if the Padres should somehow end up with Machado, Realmuto, or any other free agent or player they trade for, we all know that they’ll be desperate to trade them by July 31. The only Padres who can ever stick are those they draft and control. Once those control years pass, the players depart. San Diego is a lovely city, and Dodger fans love to visit Petco for those nine or 10 extra “home” games every year, and, of course, Hollywood sends down many of its stars for the annual Comic-Con. If San Diego ever builds a sports arena and a football stadium, they can have the Clippers and Chargers back. I’m not holding my breath on that, and neither should you.
There FA’s are not turned in July maybe an average one yr rental but that’s smart baseball. Most all baseball teams in small markets do the same thing including the Rays, A’s, Reds, etc.
Keep trading away for the future. Eventually the Phillies, Nats, and Braves will all suck at the same time.
They have all been sucking recently.
So, by the sound of it, either you’re an equal opportunity troll or don’t pay attention to baseball at all. i’m guessing the former.
Dodgers better not trade Verdugo or Ruiz for a mere two years of this dude.
Marlins are the poster boys for poor negotiators. What is wrong with these people?
Even with Machado and Realmuto, the Padres would still be a couple of years away from a serious playoff push. They have impact pitching in the high minors which would put them over that hump but that pitching is 2 years away from being impactful for a full season.
Realmuto, Hosmer, Tatis Jr, Machado, Reyes, Margot would be really solid.
I am guessing that Mejia and Renfroe would be part of a trade for Realmuto.
Urias could be part of a package for Realmuto as well.
Screw that. If the Padres make that trade they have no 2nd baseman. They are set at catcher as it is.
I totally get that potential but…who knows what Mejia ends up being. Hedges is solid defensively with some pop. Realmuto is the total package.
It really depends what they believe Mejia will be long term.
Realmuto is also 2 years out from free agency and the package he would cost in a trade would cause a much greater positive ripple effect being traded for someone who can pitch or play the left side of the infield. Not to mention Padres would be forced to trade Hedges and Mejia for pennies on the dollar if they trade for Realmuto.
And on top of all that, Urias is the Padres’ only 2nd baseman.
Exactly. The best strategy for the Padres is to stick with their rebuilding plan. The scary thing for the fans is the chance Preller might try to make a big splash that is not needed. Building a winner in baseball requires patience. If the Pads have gone this far with the current rebuild, what’s another year?
Ian Kinsler could also play 2nd base for the Padres.
Kinsler will be a bench piece/player-coach before the first season is done. He isn’t nearly good enough to make Hedges expendable.
to make Urias* expendable
Realmuto is also 2 years out from free agency and the package he would cost in a trade would cause a much greater positive ripple effect being traded for someone who can pitch or play the left side of the infield. Not to mention Padres would be forced to trade Hedges and Mejia for pennies on the dollar if they trade for Realmuto.
And on top of all that, Urias is their only 2nd baseman.
How long does a team have to tell a player and his agent “we will offer you puff and stuff?”
5 minutes?
Doubt this dude ever gets traded!
Doesn’t look like it at this point. Hope the Marlins like comp picks!
C. Realmuto/Mejia
1B. Hosmer/Myers
2B. Kinsler/Urias
SS. Urias/Javy Guerra
3B. Machado
LF. Myers
CF. Margot/Franchy
RF. The Franimal
Pretty solid set. Working on the basis of a Renfroe & Hedges+ trade. Coupled with the top-shelf arms stacking up soon and the already solid ‘pen, what’s not to like in San Diego? Just go get a 1A (a la Kevin Brown ’98) and I could see a strong postseason run. Go rescue Scherzer at the deadline and let’s roll.
no way renfroe and hedges gets it done for Realmuto
Ya, Mejia will be in any trade for him.
As the Marlin FO, I would gladly take a Hedges and Renfroe package as long as Pads willing to throw in a top 10 prospect like Morejon or Patino.
That’s what I’m saying Stretch, Renfroe and Hedges + an arm. 3 solid pieces to build around. Win/win but sure, 100% speculation. That’s what we do here! =)
Just like the Dodgers, the Padres are at the advantage in these negotiations. The Marlins need to trade Realmuto more than the Padres need to trade for him. Limited market for his services. Jeter & his crew waited too long. The Dodgers can turn to Pittsburgh and trade for the final year of Cervelli’s contract, without surrendering any of their “untouchable” prospects. That would mean a lesser package going from San Diego to Miami.
Brewers should have gotten him locked in for at least 2 years. He would have made them the favorites in the NL. Great ball player can do it all. Same old story no money but a lot of passed balls in Milwaukee He will be a Dodger
San Diego interested to place 3rd in the division? Unless they are all in for the remaining free agents and plan on spending huge money they aren’t going anywhere. Giving up prospects for Realmuto to be an 80-85 win team is not worth it.
They are interested in 3rd this year. But the moves they might be making aren’t about just ’19…
If it’s for Realmuto it sure better be about 2019. If it’s for Manny/Harper I would agree.
I love how so many people on here think they’re smarter than MLB team GM’s. This isn’t a computer game w/ no limits.
San Diego isn’t that good with or without JTR and both Harper and Many.
AJ Preller…another year of amassing talent, spending money, then will say “just kidding” and trade them all away again for an effortless tank the following season.
No talks allowed
Offered lower
marlins ownership are a bunch of scumbags
They know Realmuto will not sign a extension. Why would he sign one unless it offered him free agent money. That is the problem they will not get that big package they lust after because he has only 2 years left. Marlins should take advantage now that his value is so high with a shortage of catchers on the market. The longer they wait the more his value will go down. Example is O’s waiting to long to trade machado and received a terrible package for him.
I agree 100%. I can’t remember the last time a catcher of any significance was traded during the season. It just doesn’t happen. Catchers developed connections and communication with their pitching staff throughout the season. And SP want nothing to do with a new catcher changing up their success. At least a top pitching staff like the Dodgers. Miami is being stupid the longer they wait
Last time?
He is with the As now
Went from brewers to rangers
Jonathan LuCroy ?? He’s hardly a top notch catcher. Lol
A team can stop talks? Isn’t that player and agents choice ?
No. The team owns the player’s rights. They can decide on talks.
Not when a team owns the rights to that player.
Not allowing extension talks? But why tho??? If its successful they will get a better prospect return, the only reason I can think of, is that the Marlins are butthurt, that Realmuto doesnt want to extend with them.
it’s a legitimate question. How does disallowing extension talks benefit the Marlins?
Bc they are scumbags with a scumbaggy fish thing
Because they know he’s not signing an extension and so allowing a window would be wasting everyone’s time
The Marlins think if talks fall through then Realmuto’s trade value drops. One less team in the mix to drive up price. As is, everyone still stirring the pot on JT unless the Pads are serious about backing out without an extension.
Nah, no one actually expects him to sign an extension
Pederson Will Smith and Gavin Lux for Realmuto
Verdugo instead of Pederson makes more sense for both sides, but other than that. This is reasonable.
I hate to give up Lux.. I think he has superstar written all over him. Would rather see Jeter Downs or DJ Peters.
We gotta keep Alex Verdugo. He’s been pulled back too many times to let him go now.
Nay to Lux. Make an offer of Smith and Downs. If the Marlins say no, the Dodgers can offer one of the two and Rios to Pittsburgh for the final year of Cervelli’s contract. This would be the best bridge until Ruiz and/or Smith being ready.
Just going to leave this 3-team trade between BAL, MIA, and CHW here..
BAL receive – Z. Collins (C) and G. Sheets (1B) from CHW, and (MIA ’19 #4)
MIA receive – (BAL ’19 #1) use on A. Rutschman (C), (CHW ’19 #3) use on A. Vaughn (1B), and B. Rutherford (OF) from CHW,
CHW receive – J.T. Realmuto (C) from MIA (with extension)
Or this is just flat out awful for every team involved. (likely)
Cant see Baltimore giving up the number one overall pick for Collins and Sheets both of which are future 1B/DH guys with strikeout concerns? The Marlins would probably want, Roberts or Cease, with Collins and Madrigal.
I guess my additional thought was Baltimore taking S. Langeliers (C) at #4 this year to solidify it.
To you your point though, if its just MIA and CHW at the table for JTR, the pieces look a lot different.
You can only trade competitive balance draft picks.
Wheres the fun in that! lol
I wish the league allowed it. It’d make trading so much more fun.
You can only trade competitive balance picks Einstein!
And you wonder why no one likes you
Projecting your own problems on to me, eh troll boy?
Padres need to pass on 2 years of a catcher when they are already deep at the position and would have to give up legit prospects and MLB pieces. No extension, no thanks.
Derek Jeter is asking for the sun and moon in return for J.T. Realmuto and refuses to let teams attempt to work out a contract extension with Realmuto before accepting a trade. WTF is wrong with this guy? He’s quickly becoming one of my most hated people in baseball.
Seriously. The Marlins make it so easy to pull against them.
It’s petty cause realmuto may not be willing to listen to their extension talks.
But man if I’m realmuto make it uncomfortable for the Marlins go public put them on blast. I’m sure teams will understand given how they’re handling him.
Yeah I’d do that too
We have all heard Jeter talk. He is not a smart person.
What do the Marlins gain by making teams unable to negotiate an extension?
Leverage.
The time they would have wasted by allowing them to try and negotiate an extension
Not allowing teams to talk extension. God hope Marlins lose him for nothing. Ride out the 2 years. Reject the qo sign elsewhere immediately.
Right. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The alleged demands from the braves vs other teams is flat insanity at his finest. An extension only makes him more valuable
Inter-divisional trades typically don’t happen because either they ask for the moon or for fear of the traded player laying waste to them in future meetings (possibly both). That said, the Braves have one of the best collections of pitching prospects around that the Marlins need.
Stop talking about Albies, he’s going nowhere. One of Soroka, Anderson, Wright, or Toussaint, Riley, one of Gohora, Allard, or Wentz, and Burrows would be reasonable in my opinion.
Don’t know why signing an extension in advance matters much. Whoever trades for him should be able to extend him easily because that’s the only way he can secure his future (against injury foremost)..
Wrong. Realmuto has to agree to an extension. Players are willing to test the market knowing they could secure a 1 or 2 year deal with opt outs. That seems to be the going trend for players like realmuto.
Trading for him now teams will only give up value for 2 years because that’s what guaranteed just 2 years.
He negotiates and agrees to an extension Marlins get better return for more guaranteed years.
You don’t pay hoping to get 5 or 6 but only get 2.
The issue is that an extension is in Realmuto’s personal interest as much as the team’s. With no extension, he risks everything.
Wilson Ramos tore his ACL and still secured a 2 year deal 12.5 Mill deal that off season.
He gets injured he will still land a contract given his talent level. He won’t make as much but a 2 year 20 to 25 Mill investment if he tears and ACL or needed tjs still makes decent money.
Seriously kid, what makes you think it is so easy to extend an All Star in the prime of his career who is only 2 years out? And what in Realmuto’s history suggests that he is the type of player who would prefer an extension over free agency?
There is a good chance that the Marlins are using the Padres as a pawn to get the Dodgers to add Ruiz and others to obtain Realmuto.
Same goes with Machado, the more teams in on him the better the AAV will be.
If it’s Ruiz, it won’t be “and others.” Friedman is too smart to be pawned. The Marlins need to trade Realmuto more than the Dodgers need to trade for him.
70% of prospects in the 30-100 range fail to have a significant impact in the major leagues. Therefore, it is very unlikely that Ruiz (or Verdugo, or W Smith) will ever do a damn thing in the bigs.
Would you mind posting a source for your stat?
Go ahead and send him over that sharp new red Braves jersey Alex.
Excellent. Not allowing discussion talks. That better mean the Padres are out of the running
Marlins to braves: give us multiple young all stars type players for JT plus some.
Marlins to other teams: give us 1 top prospect who has kinda already shown that he’s really overrated. Much like the brewers. Then we will bend over for you and let you have your way
Or you can just keep Realmuto and get a compensation pick. Choose wisely.
Wow! A compensation pick, really?? If Marlins choose that option they’ll be lucky to get a top 150 orospect. Marlins need to take the best deal offered by Astros, LAD or whoever else has actually made an offer and move on. Realmuto will only get less valuable in the marketplace as each month passes.
100% true Norcalblue except that A comp pick is a 2nd or 3rd round pick, if I’m not mistaken. At worst a top 100 draft pick.
I was saying an eventual top 150 prospect in the game; not the pick number. That’s very different. A pick in the 75-100 range of this draft is quite likely to never be even a top 200 MLB overall prospect. Just about every deal I am hearing speculation on involves multiple top 200 prospects. Marlins need to understand, if they wait much longer they stand to get hosed again.
Yeah, exactly. That was my sarcastic point.
Jeter trying to sell Realmuto like he’s the Mona Lisa…if he wants the pieces he’s asking for and if they are being offered, let the other team work out an extension…must be disappointing and frustrating for Marlins fans…not to mention Realmuto
Jeter is out of his league. Rather than add a couple pitchers and compete, his first message to Marlins fans was sell off most of his major league talent. Meanwhile, the farm system remains bare. Nothing to look forward to if you’re one of the two Marlins fans.
100% correct Jim except the part of the farm system, nothing to look forward to, and that there are def more than 2 Marlins fans.
Their farm system is ranked near the bottom. As for their fans, they all travel to Marlins games in the same car. Woeful franchise in every way. This Realmuto situation is destined to end badly for Jeter.
Marlins aren’t allowing teams to discuss extensions with JTR. I just can’t see how the Braves are interested if that’s the case. Same should go for any team considering the price the Marlins are asking for.
I hope this is the Padres just pumping up the price for the Dodgers to go pay…. Absolutely no reason to give up prospects for JTR. Just sit and ride Hedges/Mejia for the year and see what happens. Trading from a position of depth doesn’t need to be forced. Remember the urgency of trading Rizzo once Alonso was acquired? No reason for this move
Friedman is smarter than Preller. The Padres’ rumored involvement will not affect what the Dodgers are willing to pay.
“The Marlins aren’t allowing teams to discuss an extension with Realmuto…”
Thus ending the Padres pursuit.
The marlins aren’t allowing teams to discuss and extension with Realmuto, because he and his agent have said he will not sign an extension with any team , He will be a free agent after 2020.
So the Marlins are blocking teams from being told by JTR’s agent that they won’t discuss extensions? Make a lot of since to you?
Also, remember when JTR’s agent said that Realmuto wanted out of Miami? Telling everyone they won’t discuss extensions seems to be hurting their cause.
Lastly, the FA Market isn’t the pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow it used too so all this makes me doubt the report about unwillingness to talk extensions.
Whether Realmuto is extended or not by another club is immaterial to the Marlins. What they are really saying more likely is they don’t want to be involved in a contingency deal that could leave them back where they started if it falls through.
Yup. And they probably realize that allowing a window would ultimately just be wasting everyone’s time.
I know. My point is that none of anything stated in the article is relevant after what I quoted. No extension = No trade.
To all those saying the Padres should trade for Realmuto because “He’s better than Hedges or Mejia,” by that logic, they should trade for Mike Trout. He is better than any of their outfielders. Apparently prospect cost, team needs and contention windows aren’t relevant.
Reds get him. Flip to Mets for Thor
Mets already took care of catchers.
Astros or Dodgers would be clear favorites if they decide they want in. Both teams look like they should be in
My money is on JTR ending up with the Pads or the Dodgers. Both teams have the young catcher Mia want
The Dodgers have no reason to trade Ruiz for Realmuto. They hold the upper hand. The Marlins can either take what is offered, or try trading Realmuto to someone else. The market for his services is weak.
Yes they do: a World Series now as opposed to winning one in 2022…
will the real Fakemuto please stand up
Terrible off-season for the Marlins. Their main chore was trading Realmuto. Spring training is almost here and they still haven’t done it. As a result, any leverage they had is gone and they are at the mercy of the few teams that might have an interest. Total ineptitude. Bad franchises are bad for a reason.
Not a terrible offseason for the Marlins. Disappointing, yes. The leverage they had isn’t gone as they still have several teams interested…while only losing suitors that were division rivals that they don’t want to trade him to unless they get an offer they can’t refuse. I did not want Realmuto playing for the Mets or Nats, and I do not want him playing for the Braves or Phillies.
As for ineptitude, that isn’t something totally around this new regime. In the trade discussions, the ineptitude is from the one holdover that nobody in Miami can figure out, Mike Hill. Somehow he found a way to not be fired when ownership changed, and he’s continuing his long history of mishandling trades. I think this delay is because he knows that this will be his last failure, and as Jeter has said before, “Mike has to prove that he can do his job.” I think this will make things clear to Jeter and the rest of the new ownership group about why everyone in South Florida thought Hill being fired as part of the regime change was a foregone conclusion, and have been completely baffled as to how he kept his job. The thing of Jeter and Denbo pretty much insisting that Hill brings back certain parts is them stepping him, and starting to show signs of no-confidence in Hill. Keeping fingers crossed on this.
As for “bad franchises are bad for a reason”, while the Marlins aren’t the model of greatness, if one of the few teams that has won multiple championships over the last 25 years, and is tied for the most championships by one of the expansion franchises, and has many accomplishments that many other expansion franchises haven’t achieved, is a ‘bad franchise’, I wonder what is the term for the rest of the franchises that haven’t won or the expansion franchises who don’t have the hsitoried achievements while being around equal to or longer than the Marlins?
The Braves or Phillies are the teams that should be leery about a JTR not, not the Marlins. The Braves/Phillies would have to give up impact prospects the face those impact prospects on the Marlins for potentially the next decade while they lose JTR for nothing after just 2 years.
Dodgers can’t match this package. Padres get payroll relief to sign Machado. Send higher prospects to Marlins, Two Top 50, plus Marlins get a 1B who is 28, and a young SS.
1B/LF – Myers (+$12 Mill spread evenly over 2020-23), C – Mejia (#26 – Top 100), LHP – Morejon (#49 – Top 100), and SS – Arias (Padres #20) but we get to sign JT to an extension first.
Get JT on a plane for a physical!!!
The. Marlins. Aren’t. Taking. Wil. Freaking. Myers. In. A. Trade. Of. J.T. REALMUTO!!!!!!!!!!!!