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Braves Notes: Rotation Health, Revenue Growth

By Jeff Todd | February 28, 2019 at 11:26am CDT

To this point of the spring, the biggest health questions in Braves camp have surrounded youngster Mike Soroka and his balky shoulder. There’s nothing new yet on Soroka, who’ll face something of a test when he throws today. But there are some other health issues of note, as well as an update on the state of the club’s finances. Let’s have a look:

  • Key righty Mike Foltynewicz was scratched from his next scheduled start due to elbow soreness, skipper Brian Snitker told reporters including MLB.com’s Mark Bowman (Twitter links). Initial indications are that this isn’t considered serious, with Snitker saying that Foltynewicz wouldn’t have missed a regular season outing. Still, the club has set up a medical review for the weekend to take a closer look. It’s obviously tough to say whether there’s any real cause for concern here. As Bowman notes, some minor elbow issues have bothered Foltynewicz in recent season. On the one hand, that suggests some history in the joint; on the other, it didn’t prevent him from turning in a breakout 2018 campaign.
  • Meanwhile, fellow starters Luiz Gohara and Kevin Gausman are each dealing with some shoulder woes, Bowman further tweets. Both hurlers are throwing, which is certainly a good sign, though they’re each being handled with care. Whether they’ll be deemed ready to open the season in the MLB rotation will presumably be dictated by how their shoulders respond in the coming days, as they’ll need to begin building innings up to do so. In Gohara’s case, of course, he will also have to win a spot or take advantage of an opening.
  • It’s still theoretically possible that the Braves will choose to add to their existing pitching mix. The rotation was a secondary topic of conversation for the club’s top decisionmakers in a recent interview in which they discussed the decision (to this point) not to dedicate further payroll space to the 2019 roster. While the Braves insist they have untapped spending capacity, there are those who think they should be more eager both to spend what has been allocated and open the pocketbook yet further. Today’s disclosures from owner Liberty Media add yet more fuel to the flames. As Eric Fisher of Sports Business Journal was among those to note (via Twitter), the ballclub reported a year-over-year jump from $7MM to $94MM in operating income before interest and depreciation. As the above-linked interview suggested would be the case, the club has indeed driven down its debt load, though Fisher notes it’s primed to take on more in loans to further build out its property investments surrounding SunTrust Park. Tim Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution covered some other numbers from the team’s revenue report.
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  1. jhuck5

    6 years ago

    sign Dallas

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    • realgone2

      6 years ago

      Not gonna happen. They don’t wanna give up the draft pick

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      • Zach725

        6 years ago

        Source? Just curious, because I’ve seen them say draft pick would not stop them from signing someone.

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        • realgone2

          6 years ago

          They did say it wouldn’t matter back on Dec 12th then proceeded to not sign anyone other than the corpse of Markakis. The Braves FO has been doing a lot of BSing this off season.

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        • socraticgadfly

          6 years ago

          Right. They’ve got money for both Keuchel and Kimbrel, arguably.

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        • petfoodfella

          6 years ago

          Oh come on. Tell me, what move should they have made? The only thing I can come up with is a few RP’s that they would have been smart to get – but maybe they made an offer but were refused.

          They’re being smart. Especially w/ the news of shoulder/elbow issues for Soroka, Folty, Gausman & Gahora all today.

          If they come into the trade deadline ahead in the NL, but SP is hurting and the dominoes fall a certain way, they could swing trades for names like Chris Sale, Garriet Cole, etc. They’d have the money to do that instead of blowing all the money in Dec-Jan to please the fans’ idiotic desire to make a move just to make a move.

          Please don’t say Kimbrel, bc he’s a shell of his older self.

          Harper was never going to come to Atlanta, and I don’t see many other RF options available for Atlanta via trade or FA.

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        • virginiascopist

          6 years ago

          Yes, I can certainly see them acquiring a starting pitcher at the trade deadline, but I can’t believe either Chris Sale or Gerrit Cole would be on the trading block. Maybe MadBum, Greinke or Stroman.

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Why would Boston trade Sale or Houston trade Cole at the deadline? Both Boston and Houston should be in contention and would have no reason to trade Sale or Cole. Think about the other team and their needs and position before making such a comment of something that would not be available to the Braves at the deadline.

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        • bigkempin

          6 years ago

          Well let’s see….4 SP’s dealing with some sort of arm issue. The prize of the bunch (Soroka) has been shut down. The Phillies have gotten much better. It can be argued that the Nats have improved although they’re going to lose Harper. There are still options available like Gio, Hellickson, and Miley who would provide good depth and wouldn’t cost a pick. At this point it seems like ATL needs other options. Can’t just assume they’ll even be in the playoff picture come July.

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        • KCJ

          6 years ago

          Yeah except Miley and Hellickson have already signed with other teams. To be honest, I don’t know if that type of pitcher would be much/any better than the young guys anyways

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        • slowcurve

          6 years ago

          I would have liked Cutch or Brantley. But more concerned with pitching. Need to make something happen whether it’s a key BP or rotation piece.

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        • tomv824

          6 years ago

          Agreed!

          Reply
        • DTD

          6 years ago

          What move could they have made? Oh, I don’t know, maybe signing or trading for a better RF than Markakis? Maybe adding an arm to a sketchy at best bullpen? Trading for Realmuto?

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        • socraticgadfly

          6 years ago

          Bunch of trade ideas that will never happen for starters and you ignore Keuchel. You work in the Braves front office, Mack?

          2
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        • busterhyman

          6 years ago

          Two of them weren’t going to be in the rotation anyway. So folty and gauseman are the ones we should worry about.

          1
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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          Cutch at what PHI paid him is a liability if nothing else because he’d be blocking an upgrade either from the minors (Pache, Waters eventually) or in free agency. I can’t believe the difference between Cutch and Markakis’ upside is worth the difference in their guaranteed salaries. I like the flexibility.

          1
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        • petfoodfella

          6 years ago

          If Boston falls and doesn’t feel like they can extend Sale, why wouldn’t they trade him? Same with Houston.

          Unlikely for sure. But stranger things have happened.

          Reply
        • Prospectnvstr

          6 years ago

          Exactly, but most “fans ” want the team to make a move just for the sake of making a move. Whether it’s in the best interest of the team or not is irrelevant. That’s why i’m very very thankful that the front office doesn’t pay attention to us fans.

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Boston and Houston won’t fall so your dream is just a fantasy, Sorry, I live in the real world.

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        • Prospectnvstr

          6 years ago

          Was referring to KJ’s comments

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        • Prospectnvstr

          6 years ago

          But would you want McCutchen at 3 for 50 million?

          Reply
        • breckdog

          6 years ago

          I would have tried to add marwin gonzalez for right field. That way when riley is ready he can get some time in outfield and split some time in the infield to see where he is most comfortable and effective. I would have traded for edwin diaz to shore up the back end of the pen. For starters i would have gone after james paxton or failing there sonny gray as a bounce back candidate and veteran presence, I would have tried to add two starting pitchers for sure. Gausman is one and that is good but they do need another especially if the recent injuries to soroka, folty, gohara, and gausman are of a serious nature.

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        • Cup'ojoe Simpson

          6 years ago

          But you’re smart and wana win a world series..

          Reply
    • rtrgobraves

      6 years ago

      No thanks on kuechel. Give me a true frontline guy or let the young guys grow into the roles. Don’t settle for an expensive #2/3

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      • realgone2

        6 years ago

        Who is front line that is available? I also don’t understand the logic of trying to defend your Division title by trying out rookies. Seems like something you do when rebuilding.

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        • advplee

          6 years ago

          Realgone2: The Braves have to find out which of the rookies are going to stick. As has been pointed out many times, prospects don’t always pan out. Until you play them, you have no clue. And we have a bunch who are ready at the same time to try and prove their ready.

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        • Prospectnvstr

          6 years ago

          How did they win the division last year? With a mixture of old veterans, solid players, AND rookies.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Newk, Teheran, Gausman and Folty already occupy 4 slots in the rotation. Ideally you’d upgrade Teheran and that’d leave a need for one of Fried, Gohora, Soroka, Touissant, or allard to claim a spot. But I don’t think the Braves have to add a SP right now. Quite frankly I’m not sure where this team is at in terms of the rest of the division. Acuna and Freeman are stars but everything else is up in the air. What kind of player is Swanson? Albies? None of those guys in the rotation are a lock to be great. The bullpen is a question mark. Everything could go right and they could take the division crown and add in July or they could finish in 3rd. I don’t think either one would surprise me all that much. And I don’t think an addition of Keuchel would change that.

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        • ATLbravos

          6 years ago

          prospect: the braves won last year bc our division was straight garbage. This year will be a diff story. but i agree with the mixture. Houston won a world series with that same mixture

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        • Shane Collier

          6 years ago

          What big moves that has made everybody so much better? Explain!!

          Reply
  2. trendysayings

    6 years ago

    Maybe time for a reunion with Bartolo Colon? I still think he deserves to play somewhere as a depth option.

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    • petfoodfella

      6 years ago

      Na, he was actually pretty crappy for Atlanta. He left, and did so much better.

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    • Zach725

      6 years ago

      I think Dallas would be option #1, followed by Gio, and then maybe someone like Shields or buchholz.

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      • petfoodfella

        6 years ago

        I’d rather have Dallas, no Shields. But, I suppose he could eat innings.

        There’s so much depth in SP for Atlanta, they could make a significant trade for a top arm.

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          What top arm is available for this significant trade? It is easy to say, but very hard to do.

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        • petfoodfella

          6 years ago

          I don’t know,
          I don’t work in baseball.

          Reply
      • rtrgobraves

        6 years ago

        Why would you add shields or Buch? They are #4/5 guys at best which is worse than what’s already in the rotation. I’m all for spending money on or trading for a true Ace (kuechel is not a true ace). But to spend money on bad, back end starters just to spend money? No way

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      • KCJ

        6 years ago

        When you bring in guys like Shields, Buchholz, and even Gio, you are taking innings and opportunity away from the young guys. The Braves need to find out what they have in these guys and who the keepers are, which is much harder to do without enough ML innings to go around.

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    • todd76

      6 years ago

      No thanks. Colon has been terrible the last couple of years. Guy is done.

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  3. MiserablePadreFan

    6 years ago

    What the Braves need is a new stadium.

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    • realgone2

      6 years ago

      Nah they needed to sign a guy to a 300 million dollar contract that cripples them for ten years

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      • MiserablePadreFan

        6 years ago

        The Braves needed to sign Bryce Harper? You need to take that breaking news over to Twitter! You’ll be the next Jon Heyman.

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  4. braves95 2

    6 years ago

    “Well we offered Dallas Kuechel a minor league deal. Can’t say we didn’t try.”

    – Terry McGuirk

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    • Questionable_Source

      6 years ago

      He’d be their #4 starter at gwinnett.

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  5. realgone2

    6 years ago

    I said before the Braves gambled on everyone being healthy and thus they didn’t add much. We shall see……

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  6. bhambrave

    6 years ago

    This is what baseball has become: More talk about ledger sheets than rosters.

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  7. doxiedevil

    6 years ago

    Yes, honesty……. ” revenue growth ” Next year the Braves will have all kinds of money for free agents…… or the next?

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    • RunDMC

      6 years ago

      From the note it looks as though they are more interested in growing The Battery than The Braves. Ironic considering one was supposed to help the other, but considering Coppy never had a significant signing and AA still hasn’t…eventually this team will need to spend money intelligently as opposed to not at all.

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      • realgone2

        6 years ago

        Yeah that was the BS story during construction. That the Battery revenue was going to help the team in payroll. Now all they seem to care about is being a real estate company instead of a freaking baseball team.

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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          I am with you in the frustration, but I will say that the free agent classes they have been quiet on weren’t worth the risk. Next year is a different story. I appreciate they went to their largest AAV ever with Donaldson, but it seems like it’s either/or in terms of years/AAV for free agents and at some point that needs to have more balance for us to get who we want. Reported injury concerns with our top SP prospect (Soroka), Opening Day starter (Folty), midrotation SP (Gausman) and rotation depth (Gohara – nicknamed Big Surprise). Teheran just might be the Opening Day starter…smh.

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  8. Cup'ojoe Simpson

    6 years ago

    With pick #5 in the 2020 draft the Atlanta Liberty Media’s select:______

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    • bhambrave

      6 years ago

      Looks like something Joe Simpson would say.

      Reply
      • RunDMC

        6 years ago

        …on the radio…woot woot. (Thank you!)

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        • slowcurve

          6 years ago

          Lol, I kinda liked ole’ stick-in-the-mud Joe. But the Frenchy/Caray combo will be fun to watch.

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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          I wouldn’t mind Simpson if he weren’t paired with Caray – them together is like having 2 Shemps and no Curly.

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  9. junkmanj

    6 years ago

    As a business owner and Braves fan, it looks to me like the Braves are doing it the right way. The Braves debt went down around $130 million in the last quarter of last year. Eventually you have to actually deal with the debt you owe. Can’t just keep spending.

    The product on the field is young and talented. They’re cheap and provide financial flexibility for when you know what you need to improve on during the season. If Nick Markakis is struggling halfway through, go get his replacement, if he’s producing like the first half of last year, roll with it.

    Plus, one proven young pitcher is worth what 3-4 unproven top prospects are. Let these young guys pitch. Prove their worth, and then trade them when you have more pitchers than spots open. Even if a couple struggle, they’ll still have some value for a team willing to take a shot on them breaking out. The main thing is having a good enough player development system where you know your pitchers. You have to be able to see who your ace is and develop him and trade the #3 type pitchers who the Braves seemingly have a ton of.

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    • DTD

      6 years ago

      To keep spending, don’t you first have to spend?

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  10. Braveslifer

    6 years ago

    With the way Touki is pitching right now, Dallas better be on a flight to Orlando…

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    • spudchukar

      6 years ago

      Yeah, rough start.

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      • KCJ

        6 years ago

        @spudchukar
        Just wanted to say that I get a kick out of your screen name LOL

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    • RunDMC

      6 years ago

      Yeah, it’s funny that a few of those are former Braves (David Peterson, Gordon Beckham) that tagged him. And that’s a lineup without Might/Castellanos.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Dallas is not a top arm. He is not worth what he is asking for.

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  11. DarkSide830

    6 years ago

    there is no reason to be concerned as a Braves fan. They have about two rotations worth of MLB-ready or near-MLB-ready starters available.

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    • RunDMC

      6 years ago

      They have one rotation worth of reported arm trouble…so they will need that second rotation where the most experienced member is Teheran. Pray for rain.

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  12. MasterShake

    6 years ago

    They’re going to sniff around and see if they can get lucky on another Jaret Wright or Russ Ortiz…

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    • bhambrave

      6 years ago

      I wonder what Mike Hampton is up to these days. Maybe he’s available.

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      • RunDMC

        6 years ago

        COL is in the mood to shell out cash so I’m sure he’s been throwing around the ball. Cue John Denver’s Rocky Mountain High.

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  13. Bedminster Abby

    6 years ago

    The problem is they have no less than 5 minor league pitchers who are ready to debut at the ML level now. Unless they work some deals they need to make room for these pitchers. They really don’t need Gausman and Teheran blocking Wright, Toussaint, Soroka, Gohara, and Fried now while also needing to eventually work in the next wave of Wilson, Anderson, Allard, Muller, Wentz and Weigel. Riley, Pache, Jackson and Waters are looking like they are almost ready for the bigs as well.

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    • RunDMC

      6 years ago

      Muller, Wilson, Wentz are already looking good in limited time. Anxious to see Weigel in game action.

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    • KCJ

      6 years ago

      Good time to be a Braves fan!

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  14. BamaZack

    6 years ago

    Revenue growth and could but won’t spend money!! Unbelievable!! Please sell the Braves Liberty Media!! You don’t care about the Braves. If so go sign Harper or Kimbrel.

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    • RunDMC

      6 years ago

      Isn’t there a happy medium? You want ATL to dish out what would be the richest deal in North American sports history beating the previous franchise free agent high set by BJ Upton (75.25MM) that crippled the team and the reason we lost Kimbrel, whom ironically you want to sign back?

      Sure, it is not my money but if it doesn’t work out 3-4 years in, I don’t want to see another 4-8 years of rebuilding and listen to the inevitable media spin on when they will compete again.

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      • G Vanlue

        6 years ago

        I honestly know next-to-nothing about the BJ Upton contract and how it affected the Braves, but did a single 5 year $75 million contract really “cripple” the team? Seems hard to believe, in this decade.

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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          Really? Didn’t know that was a question. If nothing else they had to pair Kimbrel and his team-friendly deal with him for salary relief and the only thing of any value we got back in that was the draft pick that led to Austin Riley. When you combined Upton’s deal with Uggla/Chris Johnson’s extensions and the impending free agency of Heyward/Justin Upton — BJ Upton’s deal help solidify the rebuild — so I can thank him in allowing the inevitable to happen.

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  15. sbpaco

    6 years ago

    What’s the reason(s) why the Atlanta Braves have lost 11 of their last 12 postseason series?

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    • junkmanj

      6 years ago

      Lack of long-term direction has been the recent playoff struggles.

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    • todd76

      6 years ago

      @ sbpaco. That was Bobby Cox.

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  16. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    Wouldn’t mind signing kimbrell and Dallas. Wish we would open up our pockets just a little. These guys would be difference makers for us.

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  17. TradeAcuna

    6 years ago

    This team is gearing up to have the bottom 10 rotation in the game.

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    • petfoodfella

      6 years ago

      No, they aren’t. I swear, Braves fans are such drama queens.

      Reply
  18. mlancaster8

    6 years ago

    Trade Julio Teheran, a prospect, and Adam Duvall to SF for Madison Bumgarner. Then sign Kimbrel to a four year, 80M deal.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Why would San Fran do this trade?

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    • Braves2019

      6 years ago

      Dude can you ship whatever youre smoking over to NYC because I really need that good good. While we’re at it, SF should throw in an extra $5 million just for the hell of it right?

      Reply
  19. doxiedevil

    6 years ago

    Two certainties this season, the Braves will draw very well and the owners will make a hefty profit. Everything else is pure speculation.

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    • ATLbravos

      6 years ago

      and a 3rd certainty is the braves will finish 4th in the division. while the fans make excuses that we are rebuilding.

      (sorry, it only let me like your comment 1x no matter how many times i clicked it lol)

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  20. Dillon Carroll™

    6 years ago

    I can’t wait until Teheran is announced as the opening day starter and Harper hits an absolute tank shot off him in the first inning. :,-(

    Reply
    • Shane Collier

      6 years ago

      Or maybe he rolls over on one for a double play!!

      Reply

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