Braves fans have been none too pleased to see a surprising NL East title and NLDS appearance followed up by a relatively quiet offseason. While Atlanta made a big splash early by signing Josh Donaldson to a one-year deal and followed that with the nostalgic addition of Brian McCann, there’s been little activity since. Atlanta re-upped with Nick Markakis on an affordable one-year deal which, while reasonable from a financial perspective, did little to satiate those who’d been hoping for a higher-profile splash. The Braves remain a clear contender in a densely packed NL East, but have arguably bypassed some worthwhile chances to boost their odds of a repeat division title.
At the time of the Markakis re-signing, Atlanta GM Alex Anthopoulos preached that the pickup created unexpected financial flexibility and suggested that further additions could be made as a result. (“Nick coming back on these terms allow[s] us to pursue other things, have financial flexibility to improve the club in other ways.”) Since then, however, the club has remained quiet, and Anthopoulos has publicly cast doubt on the possibility of a reunion with Craig Kimbrel, suggesting that allocating “big, elite dollars” to a reliever may not be feasible for the organization.
With fan frustration building, Anthopoulos and Braves chairman Terry McGuirk told their side of the story to Jeff Schultz and David O’Brien of The Athletic (subscription link). It’s obviously well worth a read in its entirety, for Braves fans in particular, though the broader takeaways largely reflect prior statements from Anthopoulos. We’ll run through some of the most salient points here.
McGuirk emphasized throughout the interview that the team’s 40-man payroll is higher now than it was a year ago. He drew a distinction to the 2018 version of the club, which was paying a variety of expensive players who were no longer with the organization. The organization is “being very careful” to avoid the “mistake” of taking on a deal that turns into “dead money,” he emphasized. Anthopoulos also stressed the importance of managing contract length. A player “might fit the 2019 club,” he noted, “[b]ut what if you’re signing the guy to a long-term deal?”
Those talking points dovetail with the club’s stance that its available payroll is in fact rising. Per the execs, it’s just that the team has not elected to deploy it all and is being cautious not to over-commit its future resources. Anthopoulos sought to explain the seeming disconnect between the organization’s longstanding assertion that it’d have plenty of spending capacity this winter and the general lack of activity. There was and is “a lot of room” to spend, he said, “but that doesn’t mean we’re going to [spend the available payroll] just for the sake of doing it.”
The issue, per Anthopoulos, isn’t that the club can’t afford some of the players who have gone off the board. It’s that the front office does not “believe in some of the deals right now.” Both executives also emphasized a need to budget for possible mid-season acquisitions. While the offseason is “certainly relevant … the psychological value when you add to your team at the trade deadline is appreciable,” says McGuirk.
So, how does the club view its payroll position in comparison to the rest of the league? Both interviewees emphasized the upward trajectory more than the present commitments. “Our budgeted number absolutely is trending toward the middle” of spending league-wide, says Anthopoulos. By McGuirk’s reckoning: “We’ve been a bottom-10 payroll team for a couple of years. We’ve messaged that we want to get to the middle, and I think this year begins to get us to that neighborhood. I expect that we push beyond that in the coming five years.”
There are certainly those who’d say the pace ought to increase, particularly given the strides made last season. McGuirk says he has the authority to authorize spending as he sees fit, without interference from the club’s corporate ownership group. “We’ve never ever checked with Liberty on a salary decision, a free-agent signing, nothing,” he says. But what of the earnings from the new ballpark and last year’s postseason run? Paying down debt and principal on the club’s ballpark project will “produce profitability” in the future, he says, and that will help the organization move “from that small middle-market team to high middle-market team to even potentially something bigger.”
Is the organization cheap or a budding financial behemoth? Has it missed opportunities or averted risks? Is the front office blowing chances or wisely propping open windows? Fans will have to reach their own conclusions as to the validity of the explanations proffered.
So far as near-term roster considerations are concerned, the outlook remains murky. “We still have an appreciable amount of dry powder ready to go,” says McGuirk. Meanwhile, Anthopoulos says it’s a “coin flip” as to whether he’ll make another notable addition between now and Opening Day (which Schultz defined as a top two starter, an everyday player or a high-end reliever). At the same time, many of the above-cited comments seem to cast doubt on the likelihood of additional spending. The team “explored” but passed on adding Charlie Morton, Anibal Sanchez, Sonny Gray, Edwin Diaz, and J.T. Realmuto this winter, Anthopoulos acknowledged, so the organization has knocked on doors. At the same time, as Anthopoulos puts it, “we’re just not going to force it.”
As a Braves fan, I’m fine where they’re at at this time. It’s Feb 15th, not Sept 20th.
Why blow the whole budget in Feb? What if a need arises in July, there is flexibility to do that.
I agree, and they absolutely should be taking a hard look at who they already have. There’s so much starter depth, they could feasibly move Gohara, for example, to the back-end of the ‘pen.
They’re taking a hard look at Teheran and Gausman and Donaldson and Markakis this year.
I could actually jump on board if that’s the way they wanted to spend this year. A find out what we have year? Sure there’s progress in that at the very least.
This team isn’t constructed to win and it isn’t constructed to learn what we have. We’re primed to waste a year all around, flat out.
It’s constructed to do both. They have few holes to fill that could be addressed at the deadline if internal options don’t cut it before then.
Absolutely in the same boat. I don’t think spending for the sake of spending is a wise decision. The team doesn’t have many holes. Another bullpen piece or a better 4th outfielder would be ideal but not necessary. Would I want Kimberly back? Absolutely. Is he worth what he’s asking? Absolutely not. I’m comfortable with starting where the team is and seeing what happens.
They spent $23 million on a 33 year old 3B that was a 2.5 win step back in WAR from the player that occupied that spot last year.
That same guy VERY possibly could have a resurgence year if he stays healthy. Who would you blow the money on?
No such thing as dead money on a One year deal
WAR is a cumulative stat and Donaldson had 187 ABS to Camargo’s 475…… That metric doesn’t hold any water used like that.
Couldnt agree more. Spending for the sake of spending is how we endedup with derek lowe as our “ace”.
But $23 million for Donaldson was a little bit excessive.
Donaldson add is boon for developing too. Mr. Hustle Hardwork all day everyday same room as youngsters. But probably could have signed Moose for those dollars and got three years.
The Braves don’t need Moustakas for 3 years when Riley should be ready by 2020.
Donaldson’s AAV would probably have been around 17 to 19 had the Braves/Donaldson worked out a 3 or 4 year deal but the Braves didn’t want 3 or 4 years because of the risk and Donaldson didn’t want to settle for a lower AAV. This is the cost of doing business for a contract low in years.
Are you seriously expecting a rookie to step in and be as good as the Braves got from Camargo last season? It doesn’t happen often.
For 1 year? 23 million is a bargain. There’s little risk; high reward potential.
Down with OBP
There is no such thing as a bad one year contract.
Greg Holland was as bad as you can possibly be for the cards last year and took home 13 mil
I would have preferred $19M with $4M in incentives, but that’s a quibble.
I think if the Braves had done the Donaldson deal in January then Braves fans would be more upbeat. Doing it SO early followed by mostly crickets had a psych effect on the fans.
The Braves have done the best, and most thorough, rebuild of any MLB team in decades. Their objective was to be a contender for years – as happened under Schuerholz / Cox.
Pitchers mature slower then position players. The Braves are awash in young pitchers. The 2018 division championship happened ahead of schedule. Now fans and media are acting like 2019 is their window and they have to go full out.
The worst thing the Braves can do is to package up a bunch of quality youngsters (especially pitchers) to get a few high-priced veterans; or sign expensive free agents to long term contracts which will limit the raises they’ll be able to pay their young veterans, and ultimately cause them to lose valuable core players in the future.
Agree a lot, hope they do extensions early for the best young studs. Give long window and franchise faces for this generation. Then even when eventually window closes, Brave fans can root for guys they know and love.
Just remember, the clock is running, and front line starting pitching is the biggest glare. How many #1 starters do they have? Most of the top tier teams have two starters that fit that title. Yeah the Braves have a stockpile of young pitchers.
And they’ve allocated all of 1 rotation spot to those youngsters while Teheran and Gausman clog up 2/3rds
Kind of hard to see what you have when you just block them all. We’ll be in the same boat next offseason, where management can justify not spending a dime because we still have to figure out what we have in all our talented young arms
Care to comment?
Teheran is a league average starter and a vet. It doesn’t really hurt to have him in the rotation. He does provide some stability. I think with Gausman they see some upside, They are both still relatively young at 28, both approx league average, and both short-term contracts. You don’t want five prospects in the rotation. Sanchez and McCarthy are gone, so there’s room in the rotation for some of the young guys to show their stuff.
If your goal is to win you’re right. If your goal is to win though you also fill your holes at catcher and bullpen when there’s plenty of short term upgrades on the market
If your goal is to find out what you have in that talent (a substantial amount mlb ready right now) then no it doesn’t make sense to have Teheran and Gausman in there.
The Braves seem very confused what their goal is. Why not both you say? Braves are about to end up with neither because like it or not they’re contradictory goals to some extent (unless you pick figure out what you have, bench Teheran and Gausman to do so, and the young arms break out simultaneously and you do win unexpectedly but that’s unlikely. They certainly won’t win or find out what they have with the current structure)
I doubt they (or any team) would just bench Teheran and Gausman. Gausman had much better results after he got to Atlanta, BTW. If you start them and they go off, you might be able to trade them at the deadline for something useful. If you bench them you might as well cut them, and no rational GM would cut them. They are too valuable.
There weren’t all that many catchers who would be an upgrade, and those catchers got a lot more money. Saving funds makes sense, because injuries happen, other teams fall out of contention, and opportunities/needs arise.
When they win something, then you can say they have “done the best, and most thorough, rebuild of any MLB team in decades.”
Right now the Cubs and the Astros have done much better. Maybe in 2-3 years you can say the same thing about the Braves. Today that is a ludicrous statement even from you.
agreed… fairly young team with a huge upside that won a division title, why overturn the apple cart?
What if in July there’s a need in December? Gotta keep that flexibility
Right now there’s needs in February and we passed. If you think that suddenly changes in July why would it? You’re the definition of a fool.
Pass on short term deal of Morton
Pass on short term deal of Grandal
Because we didn’t need a catcher or a pitcher or anything….
Don’t even get me started on bullpen, a number which were proven options who signed for 2 or 3 years max. This on top of us losing Vizcaino next year… so where’s the risk? You can literally spin it as replacing Vizcaino in future seasons and they STILL did nothing
The lack of filling needs now just ensures there’s needs in July. The very same ones in fact.
Lol at what if a need arises. Trust me there’s needs in July, don’t even need a crystal ball for that prediction
Perfect example of a frustrated fan.
So catcher isn’t a need? Lmao
It’d make sense to save money for possible needs if we didn’t have any and fans were asking to add in just to add on. Like i don’t see anyone asking us to add Machado when we have Donaldson. That would be unnecessary
Why do you lash out and call someone a fool? That’s so rude.
And the Braves’ catching tandem of Flowers and McCann is really good actually. Together they will form an above average offensive catcher. And Flowers is probably the game’s best framer (top 3 for sure). This is a 3 – 5 win duo.
Getting another pitcher probably could’ve helped, but there are so many good, young arms here, it’s not out of line that another one of them will follow Folty’s path. Newcomb, Wright, Soroka, Toussaint, Fried, Anderson… it’s an embarrassment of riches. They probably want to let this sort itself out a little bit and see how the rotation/bullpen shakes out. And the bullpen looks fine! All That being said, Gio and Buchholz are still out there.
I’m a Dodgers fan, but the Braves, Mets, and Phils, should be a fun race to watch for 2nd in the East.
You lost all credibility at Flowers and McCann is really good actually
And I don’t know what else to call someone who thinks they’ll spend on a need in July when they won’t spend on a need in February. That is someone who is without question oblivious to reality. It’s not even rude. If I said foolish things like that I hope someone would call me out too.
Granted any add they do make will be prorated. So it’s another way for them to be cheap basically and pretend they spent by adding when it’s at a discount
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I actually agree, somewhat. With the Braves’ pitching depth, there is no reason to spend huge; but where I disagree slightly is that is why the Braves were knocked out in the NLDS. Maybe a one year deal with a FA or start bringing up the young arms.
The rest of the roster looks good, honestly. The Braves will come down to health and whether the kids are the real deal or a fluke. But I happen to think they are the real deal.
Spending money on free agents is what theyve already done. They picked up Josh and they resigned Nick. The braves are in a fantastic stance and most people are angry they didnt do what everyone in the division did and thats panic. Atlanta is the team to beat. They are now set up to win because everyone has a new team. The Nats are tumultuous, the Mets are a brand new team, the Phillies are trying to hard and the Marlins are the Marlins. ( though they will be scary in a few years). Chill, theyve got you.
Your glasses are just a little rosy. A lot of things went just right for the Braves last year, including a down year for the Nats. The other three contenders all got better. It’s going to be a tough fight. I’m optimistic that Donaldson can stay healthy and productive. I’m even hopeful that Nick will produce just a little worse than his numbers last year. Brian will be a positive influence on the young pitchers.
My main concerns are whether Dansby and Ozzie can straighten out their offensive issues and whether our ailing pitchers from last year can stay healthy.
The team will be selling in July.
If you’re referring to Teheran, I hope you’re right.
These media types and many fans are also forgetting that while other teams were letting pieces go last year before the trade deadline, the Braves added people. Those adds/subtracts should be counted in the moves.
Similarly when talking about stuff like the Nats grabbing Dozier, they need to factor it the net minus due to losing Murphy. Instead, they act like the Dozier move was a huge plus over last years team (and they don’t mean due to the Murphy injury). It drives me nuts when the media doesn’t look at the late season moves as well as off-season when judging teams roster changes.
Venters, O’Day, Gausman, and Duvall should all count in the additions Atlanta has made.
You are believing the lies.
Any truth to this? [link removed]
12up is an awful source
Interesting. Nice find!
it was just based off a twitter pic of him at the orlando airport.. Which doesn’t mean jack
If we found it credible, it’d be on our site. I removed the link. We do allow some outside linking on a case-by-case basis, typically to statistics or articles supporting a commenter’s point.
You’d be hard pressed to find a less credible source than 12up.
Still plenty of free agents out there to be had
1. “We “never, ever” consulted with Liberty Media about payroll”
2. “I did NOT have sex with that woman”
3. “The check is in the mail”
” there is no collusion’
John Schuerholz worked with corporate ownership of the Braves for decades.
Budgets were worked out years in advance – allowing for contingencies.
Schuerholz never had a problem. He built the most successful, sustainable contender in MLB…..even stars from other teams marveled at the Braves accomplishments (similar to Belichick with the Patriots).
The Braves are on target. Their only vice is that they were ahead of schedule in 2018 which has prematurely increased expectations.
The big difference being Belichick wins Championships..
Samuel: You’re conflating data. I have no problem with Liberty being involved in payroll decisions. It’s bizarre to think that they wouldn’t be. These aren’t the 50s, when trades were made involving one player making 40K and the other 42K. And, if you believe historians, even BACK THEN money was a determinant issue, likely THE determinant issue.
The notion that they “never, ever” consulted with ownership is simply what I called it; a bold face lie. Right up there with Stu Steinberg (Rays) saying there were years when he lost money. Complete thought distortion; complete fake news.
No company (not the most profitable ones, anyway) adheres to projected budgets as if they had been delivered to Moses on the Mount. Things change; yearly, monthly, daily; in MLB, hourly. Adjustments always have to be made.
And BTW I’m a great fan of the way the Braves did things, back then. And frankly the way they’re doing things now; pitching is the ONLY way to confront their much more well-healed brethren. Sometimes you jump ahead of a projected schedule, as they did last year. Though let’s be truthful, the yahoos who run the Phils and the Mets, and the bizarre eeriness of the Nats, contributed greatly to that success.
Overall, the notion of “building for the future” (the afore mentioned Steinburg being its greatest profiteer) is losing its flavor among the masses. Fans are smarter than some think they are; they’ll buy a one or two year “tank” for teams like the O’s and Royals, but fans have become cynical of endlessly playing for tomorow, because they know tomorow never comes.
And, no, I don’t think Kimbrel is the solution; the train may have very well left the station, there. And I certainly wouldn’t have paid Clutch 50/3, tho I admire his level of play. I would have chased Morton and Kuechel; spare me as to when they’re going to pitch; those things have a way of working themselves out. (If you remember, many scoffed when JS signed Maddox; “why do THEY need pitching?????).
I read an interview with Mr. Schuerholz years ago. He said he worked with the corporate people on a budget each year. From my experience in business, that took months to gather data on projected revenue streams, special projects (like building a new park), long-term liabilities, etc. Once a budget was agreed upon, Mr. Schuerholz said he was free to run the baseball side. Never had any interference.
I am aware of ownership groups going over budget to make a push. AA got it with the Jays in 2015. The baseball operation has been reeling since – their GM says they can contend in 2021. The Royals and Indians ownership went into other expenditures – including giving dividends to minority investors – to increase payroll and make a WS run. Many of their fans think that those payroll increases are the new normal. The GM’s had to explain that those amounts are unsustainable.
You live in a large market. Teams there can take a step back for a few years and come back full stream. There is no such thing as a one or two year tank for a small market team like the Royals or Orioles. Epstein took 5 years with the large market Cubs as he started with no farm system or infrastructure. Teams in small and mid-size markets have to go into rebuilds that take 5-7 years. Like top player prospects, only a small percentage pan out. Do the local fans get frustrated? You betcha! But spending gobs of money on free agents seldom changes anything….other them maybe the team will get a WC spot once every 3 years, then get bounced out in a one game playoff.
Anyway, televised ST games will start late next week, so along with other things going on in my life, I’ll pretty much be pulling off. I thoroughly enjoyed interacting with you. May stop by some to check in.
By all means, don’t disappear. Your posts are always enlightening.
And I completely agree that you treat different markets differently. That’s why I would have no issue with the Giants signing Harper, e.g. It’s not going to destroy their revenues; they can still rebuild while they win a few extra games a year. And Bryce is SoCal cool.
The only issue I have with being on the rebuild all the time is that it assumes the competition will just stand still. By the time the Rays young talent (which is undeniable) bubbles up, the Sox/Yanks may have very well signed Arrenado/Trout/ whoever else is out there. John Henry isn’t going to let his money making machine shrivel up and die; he had a couple of years of that, NESN got ruined, and he saw the effect of losing. He didn’t like it.
Enjoy the games….and I’d encourage the $50 a year it costs for Milb-TV. The video/audio quality isn’t the best, but even a lay person can hear that, yes, the ball really DOES sound different off Vlad Jr’s bat.
Some thought that when AA left the end of the Winter Meetings to go to a Liberty Media corporate meeting, if he was asking ownership for more money, possibly for a large expenditure – or laying the groundwork for it (i.e. Harper, Machado). Not sure if there’s any truth to that, but it’s interesting that a GM would leave the Meetings for a corporate function if he had not/little involvement in.
as long as they are allowed sell tickets to mediocre to fans there is zero reasons for the billionaire owners to do anything else. after all what they are really competing for is your dollars.. championships, they could care less about
If money is the goal, as you say, every team would want to win. Playoff money is the best money and fans support winning teams. A perennial loser will stagnate while the winners will grow. The problem is that many fans believe the difference between winning and losing is $$$ when the truth is, the difference between winning and losing is well spent $$$.
no selling product isn’t about spending money it is about advertising the ” New and Improved” that doesn’t make the product new or improved.. in fact almost every time you saw “New and Improved” and you checked the actual contents.. it would be going down.. The product you receive has fallen in value. And when teams refuse to spend to provide the best product they can afford they are ripping off the fans with inferior product and the public who paid for their stadiums..
The flaw in you logic is simple……
Not all teams can win.
In this instance what you’re advocating is that the Braves, Mets, Marlins, and Phillies should all spend wildly like the Nationals do (#2 MLB payroll in 2018), so that they all can win the NL East in 2019 and go to the World Series.
MLB Rule 21A requires teams to use all their resources to win.. they are not allowed to tank, but the MLB doesn’t enforce the rule because they are making so much money.. and as far as who can win: that is never determined til the end of the season any team can win starting the 1st day of the season, especially if they actually give it their every effort..
1991 2 last place team from the previous year duke it out for the world series.. the Minnesota twins and the Atlanta Braves
No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to watch on TV or go to games. If you’re that disillusioned with baseball, I suggest you follow a different sport.
talk about non sequitur
Dictionary result for non sequitur
noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
I have been watching baseball since the 1960 and I love good baseball ..just because you are hooked on the carp they are peddling don’t blame me.. besides.. they got a lot of public monies to provide the best baseball they could.. and that means spending monies generated from public stadiums and huge tax breaks plus lots of other special perks from government.. I want what I paid for.. the best baseball money can provide..
Unless you work for the Braves, you don’t know what their plans are. Being disgruntled because you don’t like what they are doing is fine, but your dissatisfaction seems to go MUCH deeper than that.
The average fan has no concept of the long-term consequences to signing free agents. They want a superstar signed for the purposes of 2019’s roster alone but assume there is some magical way to avoid the downside associated with MOST of these players (hence the team signing Donaldson – richest 1 year deal in MLB history).
The people that would be elated to see Kimbrel signed for 5 years/$90 million are the same people that would be crowing to no end about firing AA if/when he continues to deteriorate.
The average fan is unaware of how elite the organization’s young nucleus is, and the medium-term plans that must be in place to support its most valuable assets. Would the team really rather sign a declining superstar at peak value over signing all of Acuna, Albies, Riley, Soroka, Wright, Touissaint, etc to extensions? Of course not.
The Phillies and Nationals moved all of their chips forward and will pay for it before long. Good luck to them. The young nucleus of the Braves has years left before they start to peak. You can’t blame the Braves for not acting like they are the Yankees.
No, the average fan acts like players have salary ceilings but pay zero attention to the profits that these players create and who actually gets those profits (its not the players!).
@ someoldgu…er…Strike Four;
Players are paid handsomely whether a franchise makes a small profit, a large one, or none at all.
Maybe the answer is to do away with guaranteed salaries, and put them on minimum wage plus commission.
Do you really think the Nationals business office is being inundated with calls from season ticket holders threatening cancellation of their packages if Harper is not resigned? Cable companies getting cancellations as well?
I’ve seen so many stupid comments about how the Braves should just trade Teheran to free up money. As if it is just a button press away. Also, who is to say that FA’s even want to come to ATL. Brantley might have got an offer, but didn’t wanna live there or play for the team. It’s not a freaking video game.
AA would soothe a lot of the frustration if he said that they made offers to Grandal and Brantly, but were rebuffed.
If those free agents rejected similar short-term deals from Atlanta, then fan outrage is misplaced. If AA neglected to make offers in the first place, however, fan outrage is justified.
Every team wants their team to spend big no matter what. I’m not gonna pay 100 dollars a ticket to see a baseball game that I can watch for free on tv
You are not watching that game for free on TV. You are paying for it. Every MLB team is on a regional, cable sports network. There might be a game here and there during the season on a local free channel but that is a rare exception, not the rule.
Ticket sales don’t pay for massive salaries, or else you would be paying $100 to sit in the last row of the upper deck in the OF.. TV is the reason for these massive salaries.
I don’t pay for cable so yeah again I watch it for free
OK your mom pays for it.
Your bartender pays for it.
You illegally stream it.
Ultimately, someone pays for it in order for you to freeload, and that money pays for salaries. Ticket sales have nothing to do with Bryce Harper getting $400 million or $300 million or $200 million or 34 cents.
Mlb.tv has been free for a few years now from tmobile. And people sell their login info for 5 to 10 bucks
1.) The guy said he watched it on TV, not his phone.
2..) Your example is still not a definition of “free.” (Even your login seller examples aren’t giving away their info.) Only new customers get this deal and it lasts for one year. After that you’re out of the deal. Second, T-Mobile is a sponsor of MLB, and your contract with them enables them to pay money to MLB to be a sponsor.
Yeah but he’s still “paying” much less per game than if he bought a ticket.
@charles russell I posted the 5 to 10 as a last resort for someone who doesnt know someone with tmobile. If you do, they can provide a login/pass for free. I’ve done it for years now, and all from the same person, so it’s not only new customers, do your homework.
It’s every customer every year. I’ve been a t mobile customer for a while now and get it free every year. But yeah, your overall point is correct.
The Braves are the only reason I have a Uverse TV account. If anyone knows a cheaper way to get Braves broadcasts, please clue me in.
I can agree with what the braves are doing to an extent. Honestly I like the cautious approach. They have a good team that, barring catastrophe, will be in a pennant race this summer and saving assets to use at the deadline is good forward thinking. However they really should be looking to add to their pitching staff. Whether it’s Keuchel, Kimbrel, or even a cheaper option such as Buchholz, I think it’ll be a mistake not to add some proven veteran to go along with all the young talent they have. Regardless of what they do though the Braves look like a team that are gonna be good for a while
I like the idea of seeing what they’ve got. I was sorry they let Sanchez get way, and sorry that they kept Sam F., but other than that, I’m satisfied with where their pitching corps is.
I have high hopes for O’Day bouncing back.
Just owner greediness. Kimbrel and Harper fit this team better and make this team WAY better than Markakis and Freeman do, and there’s literally nothing they can say other than “we just want to pocket more of the profits”.
Glad you’re not in charge
I hope the Freeman you are talking about is Sam Freeman.
Don’t talk down about Freddie freeman I will take him over Bryce and manny any day of the week. Freddie is the face of this franchise and he is a mvp candidate every year.
Pretty sure the reference was to Sam, not Freddie.
Kimbrel would/should/probably will replace Sam Freeman.
The Braves really haven’t had a very good off season at all and haven’t improved imo. Donaldson was a overpay as he is a declining third baseman but at least it’s for 1 year. That being said as long as their young core works hard and continue to improve they won’t need to make big moves this off season ^_^
Only 3 days after this report came out
I am a lifelong fan and season ticket holder. It has been an odd offseason. I think everyone got excited when they signed Donaldson and brought back BMac. Expectations were high that even more were to follow. Then we all sit back and see the Nats, and Mets, and Phils reeling in more and more players. Its easy to be disappointed. I really wanted Brantley but didn’t pan out. I will take Nick on a bargain deal. I just am curious who they are going to back Freddie up with?
Clutch Culberson and Camargo would be my guess. Probably could use duval there too. Or move Donaldson across the diamond and put camargo back at third if, lord forbid, it’s a long term issue. There’s plenty of options this time around
Nothing says the Braves have to win the East to make a nice profit. They should score runs and if they stay healthy will be competitive. They could have added some bullpen help but will try filling holes from within.
Management does not impress me, if the team falters they will toss Snit under the bus.
oh great, now there are fans that care more about their team making money over winning games, wow damn
I’m very glad the Braves didn’t trade for an ace or any other pitcher. We need to grow our own ace. Not only that, but we have a million young pitchers that we can put in the bullpen. Spending our dollars on pitching right now doesn’t make sense.
I did think the number one concern of this offseason would be to trade Teheran to open up some money and give our younger guys a chance to win a spot. I definitely believe a guy like Touki or Soroka could pitch as well as Teheran for less money. My guess would be the offers they had for him didn’t cover his whole contract and they don’t want any dead money so they’re going to rebuild his value in season if nobody bites during spring training.
There’s no doubt one more big bat would be huge for the lineup. Maybe the Braves believe Austin Riley is their guy come the middle of the season. I totally agree with the whole prospect hoarding side of things. There’s elite prospects in the system. The only changes I would have made if I was in the front office would be moving Teheran to open up playing time for the younger players and adding extra money.
“Braves fans have been none too pleased to see a surprising NL East title and NLDS appearance followed up by a relatively quiet offseason.”
“With fan frustration building,…..”
“At the time of the Markakis re-signing, Atlanta GM Alex Anthopoulos preached that the pickup created unexpected financial flexibility and suggested that further additions could be made as a result. (“Nick coming back on these terms allow[s] us to pursue other things, have financial flexibility to improve the club in other ways.”) Since then, however, the club has remained quiet, and Anthopoulos has publicly cast doubt on the possibility of a reunion with Craig Kimbrel, suggesting that allocating “big, elite dollars” to a reliever may not be feasible for the organization.”
So the Braves have not given out a $50m-plus contract in a month for what appears to be a declining player, therefore this makes them awful liars?
Come ‘on. Just more American activist journalism.
AA went for it in Toronto. It’s taken 3 years just to straighten the finances out. Another 2-3 to get the prospects up.
“Activist journalism” may be the most hilarious phrase I’ve ever heard, so thanks for that.
There are a lot of frustrated fans. We simply stated that. We generally try to provide worthwhile context and call things as they are, not inject our opinions. This was written in an entirely neutral manner.
I read you 3-4 years ago and exchanged some positive comments on baseball. I left for a few years. Trust me, you and MLBTR have changed.
In a billion-dollar business, owners work off of business plans. Long Term, Medium Term, and Short Term. Instead of explaining teams realities to readers as MLBTR used to do, now all I read is how much revenue teams supposedly get, yet nothing about their costs and expenses. This results in non-business-oriented readers believing that:
Revenue – Player Salaries = Profits in Owners pockets.
This is silly.
I just got notice today from MLB.TV that approximately 300 televised ST games start in about a week. For the past 4-5 days I’ve read ST reports in newspapers from around the country. Couldn’t be happier. Want to see the games.
I appreciate the coverage of MLB over this past off-season. But having been in management I recognize brainstorming and throwaway lines coming out of meetings when I read them. There are far too many individuals covering MLB today (as well as politics, news, etc.) due to the Internet. To get clicks some take meaningless tidbits and expand them to inside stories. MLBTR adds more and publishes an article.
I’ll be pulling off to watch the games shortly. Sincerely wish you and your family the best of health.
FYI – JFK’s Press Secretary was Pierre Salinger. An historian. I read a quote of his in the 1970’s. He explained that people involved in decisions often took 3 years before they truly understood what happened, why, and were willing to talk about it.
Thank you for the well wishes. Same to you.
We still cover “team realities.” Fact is, they are making huge amounts of money and are trying to keep as much of it as they can. Can you tell me where I said they are necessarily bad or wrong for doing so? I haven’t. I will also point out that the players have their own business interests here and naturally want a bigger piece of the pie.
If the market is leaning in one direction or another, I am going to discuss whether and why that is. I’m going to do so in a neutral and fact-based manner.
In this case, there is an open issue about what this organization has told its fans in the past and what it is doing now. Its own executives are well aware of this, which is why they decided to do this interview in the first place.
We simply covered the salient points and set forth the statements the Braves executives made. I didn’t editorialize on McGuirk’s comments regarding setting up future income streams and having an ascendant payroll. Really, I don’t understand the issue.
It’s cool, the Braves aren’t all in
My only concern is that the bullpen was dreadful in the playoffs. Also, the entire season we walked so many guys i was beginning to think I could throw my strikes than our relievers. I understand that AA thinks some of these prospects can pitch out of the pen this year, but we need that one big arm that can step up and get the job done. Just one veteran arm. I wonder who that could be???
We had three rookies in the pen that weren’t used to pitching that much and that late. I’m optimistic that the same pen will pitch better in 2019.
I’m really not all that upset with this off-season i would rather have had a new right fielder or left fielder and moved acuna to right, but I’ll take kakes I wasn’t thrilled with the signing but he plays hard and is a good guy to have in the club house. I just think kimbrel coming here on like a 3 year 40 million contract with an option for a 4th year plus some incentives that could push that dollar value higher.
Never had to ask ownership about free agents because they aren’t thinking about Machado or Harper. That’s life. AA will add by the deadline, undoubtedly, if they are in it. Same with ownership…win games early and more money will be spent (as more fans will come out) to go for the World Series again this year.
I am convinced that AA is very good at getting good talent without paying over-the-top prices that many teams get spooked into paying. Let the man do his job. He is quite good at it.
He stole Donaldson from the As but got fleeced on the Tulo deal amongst others. He’s not as quite good as you put it. His forte is scouting and drafting.
So you’re suggesting he’s the same GM he was in Toronto and learned nothing from Andrew Friedman and the Dodgers out in LA?
Funny how his unwillingness to trade prospects and give long term big contracts out kind of mirrors that of Friedman now..
He’s had the job for…how long again?? Give it a little time for him to start pulling the trigger on trades. Especially since the farm system isn’t as damaged as we all initially thought from the penalties levied on the previous regime.
He literally looked at 26 year old Bryce Harper and Nick Markakis, and went “the old guy”. AA has never been a good GM. Luckily Atlanta are super stacked so it will be hard for him to blow it. Hate his Markakis over Harper pick. Bryce fits in perfectly on that team.
Also, if Franklin Barreto has 13.4 WAR for Oakland then the A’s win the Donaldson trade.
Donaldson is an MVP…that’s where the bar is set.
You honestly can’t compare Markakis and Harper. We have sooo many young players that will be up for arbitrations within the next 2-3 years and a few hitting free agency. Signing Harper would inhibit our ability to keep our young talent in the future. Any braves fan who wanted Harper doesn’t know baseball, caring about 2019 and not the 2020s.
I can VERY EASILY compare Markakis and Harper – because they were BOTH FREE AGENTS AT THE SAME TIME AND THE BRAVES WERE CONNECTED TO BOTH!
“Signing Harper would inhibit our ability to keep our young talent in the future.” – absolute lies and team owner bootlicking at its finest. Braves dont even have that many OF prospects other than Pache who isn’t anything right now. Braves have mostly cheap pitching on the way – perfectly fitting Harper in RF.
Getting age 27-35 of Harper means you are getting an MVP level elite ballplayer for the prime years of his career. If you don’t want that, then you don’t want to win, PERIOD. Only fake Braves fans would not want Harper in RF and instead want Markakis. The NL East is going to be so tight for the next 3 years, the Braves pretty much just lost it for not signing Harper and thats a fact whether your hater-butt likes it or not!
Couldn’t have said it better myself! These guys don’t wana win while the window is open and the window opened a little early to start getting things figured out right NOW.. Alot can change in a year or 2, for better or worse. When there’s a chance to strike you gotta take advantage of that chance and go for the throat!
Can’t remember the last time I seen a team win a title and then regress by choice, it’s simply laughable and I applaud those that think time and hope is guna be the magical answer but I’m a creative go-getter and realize when it’s time to strike..
The Braves are well under cap and have plenty of excess cash.. sign a big name like Harper and use the young talent appropriately to extend a long run of excellence!!
We sign a big name like Harper and it limits our ability to keep our youngsters long term. What happens when Acuna Oz Dansby Newk Folty and everyone else is up for arbitration but we have to trade them because we are paying more than $30mil to a 30 year old outfielder?
A teams spending is only limited by an arbitrary self imposed “cap” since there isn’t really a cap. There is no reason why getting a big name would mean the braves had to trade players in arbitration.
U win get the world… More fans coming out to the stadium, more revenue, more primetime games, a major tv contract, more big names that wana come play for you, hometown discounts because your guys wana stay and WIN.. Its alllll about winning you see! You win first and deal with the other stuff later..
“We do not want to spend free money on proven talented players yet. We want to save it for our young and talented (unproven) talent instead.”
2019 – forward:
“We no longer have money to spend because we used our available funds on our guys.”
Could be worse (Cough, Orioles, Cough).
End goal is always to win a championship. Are the Braves better than the O’s? Sure! However, I’ve reached a point where I stopped caring about division titles… given the illustrious history of this team winning the regular season, but miserably failing when it matters most. In other words, if the Braves don’t win a championship at some point, being better than the O’s (or any other team below them) means nothing.
So watching a good young fun team play great baseball means nothing?
If it does not generate a championship, it means nothing!
So why do you watch the games during the regular season? You should just tune in in October, because the regular season means nothing.
I watch to see a winning product unfold in its entirety. I usually tune off once the team falls out of the race in the summer.
That’s kinda sad.
It is also sad when the team fails every year, clearly has the money and the talent to win, and decides to stay pat just because. Don’t even bother believing that they will spend the money mid season. Ever since they moved to the new stadium, they been promising free money and spending. They ate contracts to get prospects back. The money is available, yet they are cheap and going after cheap 1 year contracts. They still have major holes in the rotation anchored by a #3 at best in Folty. I like Soroka and Touki but they are still unproven. Banking on young talent to win you a championship will not happen. The Astros would not won a championship without Verlander.
The Braves know the formula to get to the postseason, and they use it successfully with uncanny consistency, almost every year; however, they do not know the formula to win a title.
Well the team was actually talented in the 90s and early ’00s. The team in ’13 and ’18 only won because the Nationals decided to suck.
Preach on! These people that want to wait and see what we have are the same that are happy with division titles and first round exits..theyre complacent with their dead end jobs..”Meh it’s good enough!” “Don’t fix whats not broken”… It takes creativity and fortitude to do what great organizations do (esp when you’re this close) and ESPECIALLY those that want to bring a championship back to those that pay for it.
We’ve waited long enough and these offseason moves have been a slap in the face to a team that’s right there..
Folty is a #3 at best? Glad to see you know what you are talking about. Dude is an ace, no he’s not as good as many other aces but he’s also younger and hasn’t pitched for as long. Do you realize how few pitchers with as little time in bigs leagues as him are as good as him? Not many.
He is not an ace and likely will never be. You are probably a rare specimen who would entrust the ball to him in a big game.
I guess easy to hand folty the title of Ace bc there is no one better in the rotation. But that being said, doesn’t mean he is an ACE! Now at the end of the day, he goes and meets with smolts psych. And fixes his head case. Then we might considering being an Ace.
Folty can be lights out and he also cannot trusted to get you outta the 3rd..(Or 5th because of his pitch count). He’s an amazing #3 on a world series team and a very good #2 on a contender.
If youre relying on him as an ace in the postseason, that’s the answer to the guy that asked why the Braves have lost 11 of their last 12 postseason series. Not prepared, being the underdog, and over-matched.
Can’t remember the last time the Braves were the actual favs in a post season series, I’m thinking it’s maybe when Hudson was in town..
Wow – looks like MLBTR is supporting management and bridging the gap to the unhappy fan base. But read any of the other articles summarizing The Athletic piece and writers are calling McGuirk specifically a liar. Read NBC Sports article titled something like Braves Execs Think Braves Fans Are Idiots. Talking Chop wrote that their answers amounted to pure BS (yes, full word in the article). Fans comments support that notion as they learn of the hundreds of millions the Braves are now generating and comparing it to promises for big spending and no limitations. There is a stark contrast between the promise and the delivery, earning justified – if not always on point – criticism.
I think you and Samuel, above, should discuss your feelings, since he thinks we are hardline labor advocates. The presence of both of these comments makes me feel like we struck the right tone.
We laid out their comments, made a few minor contextual points (including quoting Anthopoulos’s prior statement on Markakis and laying things out in a manner that shows some of the tension in what they are saying and doing), and let it stand for itself. We have and will critique the team’s decisions when appropriate, but we also prefer to withhold judgment on an offseason approach until it is completed.
Other sites have other angles on this. Some of them probably venture into hot take land. We’re not going to do that.
Preferencing comments with statements such as “With fan frustration building” is hardly a balanced approach.
It IS activist journalism. Taking a small percentage of discontent and having one media outlet after the other whip up fury is not giving a balanced view of an issue.
In this case, are season ticket holders cancelling? Are individual game ticket sales tanking? Are Braves fans giving up on 2019?
This is a coordinated effort by what we now call journalists to pressure the Braves GM to make moves that he (and others in the organization) feel will be counter-productive. I’ve seen this in sports coverage for 30 years now, and it gets worse each year.
MLBTR caters to fantasy league mentality readers. Flipping players is good. Methodically building a contender is boring. I read one of your writers state that another writer wrote something to the effect that Jerry DiPoto of the Mariners had the best year ever. Really? He’s been going in circles flipping players for years, and is understandably an MLBTR favorite. But AA takes over the rebuild John Schuerholz brought John Hart to begin and oversee, and we have to scrutinize his measured moves and build a controversy.
I can assure you, there is far more “fan frustration” from Mariner fans today then then is from Braves fans. Don’t hear or read anything about that.
I don’t know what to say.
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding Dipoto. I do not believe that roster churn is necessarily a good way to build a team. There is nothing remotely approaching a “coordinated effort” of any kind to “pressure the Braves” or any other team. Or, if there is, I wasn’t told about it.
Again: the fan frustration is what led to the interview in the first place. Why do you think Anthopoulos and especially McGuirk (who is rarely heard from) sat down and started divulging info that wasn’t previously known and answering questions about these matters? Because they realize fans are upset. And know they have pushed out information in the past that created expectations that are now not being met, at least in the perception of some.
It is just interesting to me that you’d fixate on this one aspect of the post when there are others — literally in this comment section — who are upset we did not join other outlets in editorializing and ripping on the Braves. You’ll never see me offer up a “they think you’re stupid!” hot take. But I might present the information in a manner that highlights some areas of concern. Other times, I will be even more clear in pointing out team statements that warrant skepticism. (mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/twins-front-office-disc…) Then there are times when I’ll question big spending (mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/tigers-to-extend-miguel…). I don’t have any rooting interests. Just call em as I see em.
please GTFO off this site and go back to twitter with your made-up, ridiculous “activist journalism” crud —- you are making all of this up in your head. It doesn’t exist, only your twitter echo chamber of idiots thinks it does!
Withholding judgement until the offseason closes is understandable and even appropriate to the role of your website..
When the offseason closes, however, please address the issues of Grandal and Brantley specifically. Many fans are upset because these affordable short-term alternatives to McCann and Markakis were seemingly not pursued, and not because the Braves refrained from gutting their farm system or making long-term commitments in pursuit of blockbuster deals or trades. I would very much like to know whether these lost opportunities are due to player preference or deliberate management decision.
My opinion is thus: Teheran should not be taking starts away from the young pitchers they have. There is no justification that he should take starts from Touki, Soroka, Wright, or Bryce.. if you are banking on the young guys, let them actually pitch. Trading Teheran saves 11 million to a team that needs a SP. That is 11 million more on top of the 8-9 they have squirreled away (read that from a braves beat writer tweet yesterday). What kind of deadline move can you make that would be better than having a guy for the full year?
You’re assuming that the Braves haven’t tried to trade Teheran.
Also assuming prospects with no MLB experience will help win games guaranteed with zero drawbacks.
Most prospects benefit from being mentored by vets. Teheran and Gausman are our only SP vets.
Some people forget 1 of the most important things: can never have too much starting pitching.
No Harper no Machado….save up the dough for Trout…
JUST FIX THE BULLPEN!!! That’s truly all we needed or at least our biggest need and we haven’t done a single thing!!
Braves be making moves like it’s July 31st.. When you’re a thumper RF, TOR, and 2 bullpen pieces away and you sign 3 aging mid 30 yo (one of which a record deal) and backup C, you’re damn right you should be hearing it from your fan base!
We will trade away 2 fan favs in Simmons and kimbrel, build an amazing stadium which will increase our payroll and spending budget, and all we ask is you be patient while we climb back to the top and stay there.
Now we’re close and not taking advantage, most could say taking a step back while other magnify their needs in the division.
Listen, I know we’re good and theres pitching on the way but you can’t tell me we don’t have time to let those pitchers fall in place while we brought in more talent in the meantime. I give this offseason an F as far needs are concerned and creativity goes to put a better product on the field than 2018. Somebody upstairs got complacent instead of creative and it’s time they hear about it.
I agree that it could have been a much better offseason. AA probably agrees too. I’m sure there were some deals he was going to make that fell through. The good thing is he didn’t make those deals. When he first came in I thought he was going to make some bad trades trying to put his fingerprint on the team but he’s shown great self control and that’s much better than us hearing about a signing or trade every week.
Nationals, Mets, and Phillies have all improved. Braves not so much
If the Braves don’t get better it’s because their player development is lacking. I definitely agree the offseason could have been much better though.
The good thing is that right now the Braves have $15 million or so they can spend whether they want us to know or not. Having financial flexibility means that in June or July the Braves can make a deal that 90% of other teams can’t make because their payroll was maxed out early on.
Prediction: Marcus Stroman will be traded by the Jays to the Braves at the trade deadline and help power the Braves to the NL East title. Stroman is past his blister issues and will pitch well and AA drafted him and loves his competitive nature.
I want anyone to explain to me why the Braves have lost 11 of their past 12 postseason series.
Lineup with holes, no true #1,#2, pinch hitters that k in key situations, WALKING HITTERS, playing nervous because youre not the better team and intiminated by the likes of true aces, and playing against teams that have that bopping lineup that can take advantage of walks with the 2-3 run dingers..
Yup that’s your Braves since the dynasty days!
Braves go from Div champ to finishing 4th. Not near enough talent to repeat when all the other clubs are making drastic improvements in front of you. Terrible terrible let down by the front office. Going to be another mediocre season watching a mediocre team struggle to stay relevant. Who plans to make their big play in July. Don’t you have to be relevant to make that play. Just flat out disappointing that they would
follow that season up with Donaldson and Mc Caan and that’s it. Better hope Gausman finally becomes what he was supposed to be and Teheran can get to being above average. Folty atleast stays close to where he was last season and the offense can get consistent….which they won’t. Oh well there’s always next year right….blah blah blah same old same old. I read somewhere that they plan on making Acuna the clean up hitter….that in its self tells me all I need to know about how this season will play out. Blah blah blah Braves 10 games behind.
I know it sucks not to see trades because baseball is entertainment and trades are entertaining. I want to see moves done.
However, if the Braves don’t trade their prospects they will have an ace, #2, #3, #4, and #5 all come out of their system with who they have in it right now. Not only that, they can have a full bullpen from top to bottom just with who they have now. Even speaking on position players 2 years from now..
If we hold off on bad free agent signings, we can even resign a lot of our big bats. When a prospect doesn’t work out at a position. You simply acquire that one need versus making too many moves that feel good at the time but destroy your team in the long run.
Aa Shouldn’t have told the Fan base what the team needs were,then turn around sign Jd instead of Zach Britton,Brad Brach, or any other Closer Available. Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining, not nice
Im not a braves fan, but yall arent in bad shape. A decent team as is, One of the best farm systems in baseball and a middle of the pack salary commitment with finacial flexibility. Be patient, take a year see where things are, see how the kids r developing. Then go all in in 2020 or 2021. Now if yall r still in same place then as now then bitch. But as it stands theres not much out there thats gonna make u significantly better in 19, 20, and 21. So as was stated why spend money just to spend money and possibly hinder your future. Yall could be in shape of my rangers… Rolled back payroll 3 yrs in a row, bottom half farm system, a rebuild with little direction, a rotation full of retreaded tj patients and a lineup with an overpriced choo and odor and alot of power or strikeout typ e hitters. Yall wanna trade, dont sound so bad now does it?
Daniels is one of the worst gms in mlb
You won a WS in 06 and 11, and been close a couple times in the past. So to even complain as a ranger fan is comical
U totally missed the point and obviously have no idea what ur talking about. Rangers have never won world series, they went in 10 and 11, but lost both, and those r only 2 times theyve ever made it past 1st round. And my point wasnt to complain about rangers, it was to point out that braves arent in bad shape and it could be Lot worse.
Pretty Simple: Want to Win, then sign Machado and trade Swanson and prospects for the corner outfielder and pitching improvements. The plan only becomes complicated when it is used to cover up the deceptions to the fan base. If the organization has had a change of plan, honesty is the best policy. Fans are not stupid, it is easy to see that avoiding risk and limiting spending are the top priorities rather than winning championships. Too bad, because Atlanta is wasting the talent and years of control along with the prospect value that they now have.
If there are not sufficient funds to add the needed players to the club, Donaldson, Freeman, Gausman, Teheran, and Foltynewicz should be traded to sign players with more control. Just fold it for 2019 and try to sign position player prospects for coming years and use five pitching prospects now to improve their training.
Controlling your spending is how you win. We are following in the footsteps of the Astros and Cubs. Both finished rebuild and made playoffs earlier than expected and then the very next season won the World Series. I’m not saying we’re going to win the World Series but we are following in their footsteps.
Well not the offseason we hoped for. It’s not ok to just want mediocrity or win your division. Winning a division should be expected every year. At the end of the day we want championships not division titles. You can’t compete and rebuild at the same time. That being said If rebuilding then bring up these prospects and give them experience. We have the best pitching prospects in the league.
This is comical with the JD signing saying it’s 1yr so it’s ok, these same people hated when we signed Bautista for a 1 million deal.. JD is a “IF”, and we knocked out a 20 hr guy being camargo. (Super utility guy is a joke) if we are banking on “IFs” then why didn’t we pick up Tulo for 500k? The only way the JD signing is worth it is if camargo is in the game every night.
The only thing I agree with this offseason is not giving up riley/Pache and pitching prospect for realmuto.
Overall I give this offseason a “C”, bc we didn’t blow up the farm system and the bank during a rebuild
Braves made all those NBA type salary dump trades for what we were lead to believe in foresight of this offseason correct. I guess they thought a big name like Josh Donaldson would appease the fans but now they realize that’s not enough and they’re having to backtrack lol, oh well….I bet we all eat crow and JD mashes and gives us a legit cleanup hitter and makes the lineup more flexible. But I agree with everyone else that perhaps that money should been allocated to more pressing needs in bullpen or offensive catcher depth
The dumps were typical of a new regime, The JD signing is an audition. We didn’t need him, but he’s in AA’s comfort zone. If he rebounds and plays well, expect a three year offer from AA at the end of the season. Riley will be trade bait at that point. Camargo might become our starting SS if Dansby continues to struggle. It’s good to have that option.
oh I agree with all that, but we also took on bad salaries but in shorter years that came off book in 2018 correct? At the end of the day they’re aren’t truly legit big time FAs outside of Machado and Harper which we knew wouldn’t go after anyways.
I don’t know why we’re all surprised tho, Braves don’t sign big time free agents. Never have and never will, we do overpay for a 2nd tier free agent sometimes but that’s about it. I understand theres no true free agent ace but would we really disappointed in a Dallad Kuechell? One thing I’ve learned is not hold our breathes for the big Ace coming up in the farm system, when the last true ace we’ve home grown? I dont remember anyone recently….I remember ‘the big 3 of Teheran Delgado, and Vizcaino’ we all clamored for. How did that workout? All these Jimmy’s and Joe’s we hang onto previously aren’t all going to workout. Seems to me if Braves want to win a championship we will need to Trade/Buy a true #1 a la Astros/Verlander, Red Sox/Sale or Cubs/Lester. I hope I’m wrong but Braves haven’t been able to develop a true #1 in near decades
That is very correct and sadly true. Prospects are just that until they take that step and one thing these young guys need is that competition factor with each other that the big 3 displayed in the 90s with each other..(Whether it was hitting, golf, or getting one more k or going the hole game.) Those guys just fed off each other every single start and was amazing to watch every single nite on tbs!
Aside from the Brewers, Braves are the only team without an ace in the rotation. (I don’t buy Folty as one. His underlying metrics don’t support his numbers, and he also hasn’t replicated his numbers to make me believe otherwise). When’s the last time a team without a legit ace won the WS?! At least the Brewers had a shutdown, filthy pen. We don’t have even that on the Braves.
Josh Donaldson in a short time period took Toronto by storm. Every Blue Jays fan owe him a great deal of respect and gratitude for what he meant to the team and the city.
That said, the Atlanta Braves overpaid for a guy to play a position many assumed was going to be occupied by Camargo. That says the team is not sold on Camargo, and AA respects what Donaldson can bring to a young team despite having injury-riddled years in 2017 and 2018.
For anyone upset with the Braves lack of spending, remember that they didn’t sign their 1st round pick either. So they saved more money there.
Typical AA. Not the first time he’s failed to sign a 1st rounder and not the first time he’s addressed a position that wasn’t necessary while neglecting other needs. You will love AA and you will hate AA. It’s a rollercoaster ride and you’ll never want to jump off.
Believe it or not I think AA is ok with a 3rd or 4th place finish in 2019 in order to dominate the division the following 5 years.
Stop reading and gave a thumbs down after the 2nd paragraph. He’s a bridge to RIley, hit well with the Indians after he was healthy. Camargo can now be a super-util type, spelling players all over the diamond.
Stopped, not stop.
Your comment had absolutely nothing to do what I said. Probably should have spent more time after school for reading help.
the problem is this team is like the royals they only have a short window and they better do it now. Can’t always worry about tomorrow sometimes you have to worry about today
this front office has to be the cheapest biggest coward of any team. This team will be worse than they were last season. They resign an aging below average rf. They sign a back up catcher that should have retired 2 years ago and they sign a 3b who is a has been has not doing in 4 seasons good job aa. While your at it why don’t you sign Matt diaz and glen Hubbard . they are so cheap such cowards they will not take any chances so frustrating as a fan. well at least we can say we were in the play offs once under this front office cause with this roster it will be the only time we go
Everything Anthopoulos has done so far is not a surprise to Blue Jays fans. This is predictable. But I maintain the Braves can take a 4th place this year to run off multiple division titles after 2019. Braves in 2018 are like the 2015 Astros in AA’s mind.
I understand holding off this year to dominate the next 5 years…but aren’t the Phillies in same stage of the rebuild as the Braves and have just gotten way better? I’d put my money on Phillies dominating the next 5, not the Braves. Plus the Nationals will never lay down either, they always have money to throw around. Waiting for tomorrow that may never come seems to be the way of the past and is just a mindset they sell to appease fans keeping that carrot on stick as long as they can every year. Braves are mid to low market team unfortunately and thats not changing anytime soon…
Atlanta Braves: we aspire to the middle!
lol yep…keep those expectations low and we can never fail ahaha
AA should just sign Kimbrel(3yrs 44mil. with 14mil. option). Sign G.Gonzalez 1yr 12..5mil. Trade with Padres===Teheran,B.Wilson and Allard for Will Myers.