Padres prospect Anderson Espinoza has undergone Tommy John surgery, Jeff Sanders of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports. He’ll miss all of the 2019 season and quite likely a good portion of 2020 as well.
This is terrible news for the 21-year-old hurler, who was nearing a return to competitive action after a long rehab from a prior TJ procedure. It seems his replacement ulnar collateral ligament blew out at the point of the graft.
Espinoza, once a top-20 leaguewide prospect who came to San Diego in the 2016 Drew Pomeranz swap, only threw 32 1/3 innings with the organization that season before his elbow issues arose. He hasn’t been back on the rubber for regular-season action since and still hasn’t pitched above the Class A level.
now this is a new level of injury recovery futility. how nightmarish.
I suspect he’ll be better off mentally in the long run. “Nom Sayin”?
Padres should demand the MLB investigate the Red Sox. He was damage goods at the time of the Pomeranz trade and has been damaged goods since. Pomeranz never missed a start for the Red Sox. Investigate now.
Agree
“damaged”
I hope you’re being sarcastic. Preller was already in trouble for trading away damaged goods and Pomeranz was one of them. And Pomeranz missed a lot of starts.
Pomeranz made 17 starts for the red Sox after the trade and 32 the following year.
baseball-reference.com/players/p/pomerdr01.shtml
Meanwhile Espinoza pitched 8 games and hasnt pitched since. Sooooooo investigate immediately.
Same with the marlins. Cashner and Rodney pitched. Paddack needed tjs. Investigate them too.
If the marlins can complain about rea pitching 3 innings and getting hurt and red Sox can complain about a healthy pomeranz taking over the counter stuff surely the padres can complain about issues involving players they received too.
Dude, the Padres traded a guy they gave up nothing to get and got a risky pitching prospect, you can’t predict who will need more than 1 TJ, calm down. This is the most ridiculous idea I’ve ever seen on here. There’s a lot of sketchy dealings going for sure, but that trade is fine and this is just unfortunate.
Yes and the Red Sox got a guy in the middle of a career year who made 49 decent or better starts for them in the year and a half after he was traded.
So now we are going to investigate every trade years later that ended up being uneven? Red Sox never asked for anything back. You padres fans are ridiculous. Be more butt hurt you can’t. Bunch of cry babies who know nothing about baseball
Maybe you should go back and look. He made 14 appearances (13 starts) for the Sox. The 17 starts were for your Pads. Espinoza was healthy when the trade was made, that’s the gamble you take on an 18 year old pitcher.
Just stop it. Padre fans were all dancing over this deal a bit over 2y ago and hoping Boston wouldn’t rescind the deal as part of the Padres punishment for hiding Pomeranz medicals on the Sox and the rest of the league prior to the trade.
Reason no rescind? After non waiver deadline. preller should have been dealt with harsher. Doubt Anderson would have been involved at all for Pomeranz had his issues been known and Anderson’s were none, other than when he signed there was a small fracture “as remember” in throwing arm. Not swearing on that, but think remember an issue there.
Who was “dancing over this deal?” I thought Espinoza was overrated even at the time and he has done nothing to prove me wrong since.
Pomeranz had no issues. Taking ibuprofen is not an issue. 100% Espinoza would have still been involved if DD had known about it.
Woah woah woah. Let’s not pretend Pomeranz was anything more than mediocre in his Boston tenure
Pomeranz was actually damn good for the Sox at first. THEN he started to suck.
Espinosa was a top prospect at the time of the trade. Dombrowski was killed in the media for dealing him. Sometimes guys just get hurt.
He had the best season of his career in Boston (2017).
Thank you Marcus Welby MD
Pad pullers are the worst.
Never mind Preller is dirty and was punished by the league for being so.
I hope this guy isn’t teaching kids.
I think I remember the Red Sox complaining the Padres withheld medicals on Pomeranz and complained? Or was that another trade?
It was that trade. Pomeranz had a balky elbow which Preller withheld. I think MLB offered the Sox to rescind the trade but decided to keep Pomeranz.
This + Red Sox rescinded because it was post trade deadline and the Red Sox needed a starter.
The Pomeranz trade was the one Preller got suspended for. Which is kind of a joke considering this just happened. Again.
This has literally nothing to do with that trade. It’s not like this never happens. Some guys come back and Anderson probably will too, seeing how young he is. Mellow out.
Name one pitcher who had two Tommy John surgeries and had a sustained career as a starter afterwards. One.
Eovaldi
It’s called karma. It’s just the universe righting itself.
Johnny Venters had 3
Joakim Soria
Jason Frasor.
Joakim Soria.
I’d offer Eovaldi as well, but, he has only had one terrific 2018, so we need to see how “sustained” it is.
(Same deal with several other that come to mind)
Then again, you asked for ONE
@Kevro2139 Eovaldi has one successful season (and not even a full season’s workload) since coming back and is now on the DL with an elbow issue. I don’t see how that is “sustained” success.
Venters has made ONE start and is now on the DL.
Soria has had success as a RELIEVER. I said as a STARTER. Work on that reading comprehension.
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17556994/padres-general-ma…
Re-read the lengths preller went through to create that deception, then maybe you can understand why it was such a big problem
@AtlSoxFan I said as a starter dingus! Frasor and Soria are/were relievers. And Eovaldi only has one season and is now on the DL with an elbow issue.
Who says Espinosa has to be a starter instead of reliever or closer you idiot
From atl article
The athletic trainers were told to post the details of any disabled-list-related medical situations on MLB’s central system, but they also were instructed to keep the specifics about preventive treatments only on the Padres’ internal notes, sources said. One source defined the distinction in this way: If a player was treated for a sore hamstring or shoulder without being placed on the disabled list, that sort of information was to be kept in-house, for use within the organization only.
So padres trainers were told to leave out that players did yoga and stretching for tight hamstrings or received massages after games. Got it. Yeah how dare they not tell teams what theyre doing to prevent injuries. 31 other teams should be disciplined cause idk what their medical staff is doing to prevent injuries from happening! Investigate them all! Every last one.
How is atl making sure acuna doesnt get hurt? Investigate immediately!
@AtlSoxFan I did.
… “IDIOT!”
This assumes Espinoza was 100% going to be a starter, even without one TJ. or that he would make it above AA
Meanwhile, since you can’t look yourself…
Chris Capuano had several productive seasons following his 2nd TJ as a starter.
Tim Collins is active and has a sub 3 era so far this year for the cubbies.
Reality is, not many pitchers have undergone 2 TJs that are starters, so data would be limited. Of the ones that HAVE, odds are good that they come back as good as they were before.
@AtlSoxFan they are both relievers. I asked for STARTERS who have had sustained success after two Tommy John surgeries.
Chris Capuano 2nd TJ was in 2008… then this happened
Capuano signed with the New York Mets before the 2011 season.[11] On August 26, pitching against the Atlanta Braves, he threw his first complete game shutout since 2005, setting a career high in strikeouts in a game with 13. He made 31 starts for the Mets in 2011, his most since 2006, and also appeared in relief twice. He was 11–12 with a 4.55 ERA during the season.[5]
Los Angeles Dodgers
On December 2, 2011, Capuano signed a two-year deal worth $10 million with the Los Angeles Dodgers. He started the 2012 season strong, with a 9–4 record and 2.91 in his first 18 starts but went only 3–8 with a 4.76 in his last 15 starts. Overall, he was 12–12 with a 3.72 in 33 starts.[5]
Capuano began the 2013 season in the bullpen due to the Dodgers having too many starting pitchers. He got a chance to start on April 16 due to an injury to Zack Greinke but suffered his own injury, a strained left calf, in the game and only lasted three innings.[12] He wound up making 20 starts for the team in 2013, despite missing time with various injuries. He also appeared in 4 games out of the bullpen. His final record was 4–7 with a 4.26 ERA.[5]
Oh, btw, he was 30 when the 2nd surgery happened, not 21 like Espinosa. And he retired in 2018, at 39 years old after last appearing in 2016.
There is your ONE..
Capuano had 6 years with solid MLB production as a starter following his second TJ.
baseball-reference.com/players/c/capuach01.shtml
Was he a regular verlander? No, be were talking a sustained career after TJ number 2. And even his stint with the NYY in 2014 goes towards that with his 4.25 era in the AL east.
Eovaldi
@luclusciano TIL that 2/3 of a season is “sustained success”
Mario Soto … three.
Padres getting hoodwinked are why they are the Padres. No tears here if they suck..
But it was Preller who was dishonest in his trade dealings. He got what he deserved.
At the time of the trade, he was a top-20 prospect in baseball drawing comparisons to guys like Pedro Martinez. He had a full repertoire of pitches with plus command of a fastball that could touch triple digits. Nobody was talking about “reliever risk”. They were using the word “Ace”. Two TJs later and any future in baseball is a blessing.
And the Padres gave up, what, Drew Pomeranz for him, right? Pomeranz is a below replacement-level player.. Even if Espinoza never does anything, it’s such a minor deal. Go for the upside.
ever heard of Collin Really?
rea
Ever heard of Chris Paddack? Carter Capps?
Lmao any pitcher can get TJ a month, a day, a week after a trade. You cannot however have two sets of medicals on a player and keep the one with the bad news. And that’s what Preller did. Im sure the marlins of all team have so much pull that they managed to convince Major League Baseball to look into the padres while they turn a blind eye to everyone else. Get real.
The “bad news” that was missing was that the players in question had been taking Ibuprofen. Taking Ibuprofen is not a warning sign for Tommy John surgery.
He kept files on “preventive” treatments. As in things they do to make sure a player doesnt get hurt.
So red Sox marlins and white sox are mad they weren’t told James shields does cryo showers as a way to not get injured? Lol dumb reason to get mad cause nobody told them the players did hot yoga or bar class to prevent injuries.
Actually, ibuprofen might be.
It’s not just a headache pill over the counter. It is prescribed as an ANTI-INFLAMMATORY.
To dumb that down for y’all that means if you have a torn or partially torn ligament you usually have significant pain and inflammation and swelling in an area.
So yes, hiding the fact a player takes substantial ibuprofen could be masking an injury, especially if you ask why is he taking it and you hear elbow inflammation and pain.
Well there’s been various reports as to what exactly the padres withheld. There’s reports that Any injury that didn’t result in a DL stint or preventative measure was kept in a separate file. Whether that was a sore shoulder, hamstring or your crypto nonsense. I don’t think the MLB has a vendetta against SDP so I’m going to say there was a reason for it. You’re entitled to your own opinion but why the hell would you risk getting in trouble for keeping an acupuncture session private? I’ll be of the opinion that they intended on abusing the system. Or even if they didn’t the power to abuse it was clearly there.
Oh man, Ryan. Come on. Carter Capps? The guy who had TJ before you traded for him. Cmon now.
My friend who is a Braves fan told me that the Braves were the unnamed fourth team that took issue with the Padres’ medicals and that the player in question was Max Fried. He also had TJ before they traded for him. So if they can complain because, well… “Injured pitcher is injured,” so can the Padres.
sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/sdut-padres…
Link to cryotherapy. wasnt non sense. Was completely a real life example. Shields disclosed that information himself to the public. Not the padres. But that’s be something theyd with hold.
As to why. Same reason any team would. Leverage.
Padres didnt get in trouble for lying. Got in trouble for creating a competitive advantage. Exploiting loopholes. Any league will punish you for that.
I fully understand they did not release cryptotherapy in their medicals. It’s also not hard to imagine what else you can withhold. Shields releasing that doesn’t change a thing. Unless you think putting cryptotherapy in that file means they couldn’t have put a cortisone shot in his shoulder in that same file.
What grounds do the Padres have to stand on? They cleared the physicals and medical records, exception being if a second medical file was not disclosed. This is the risk of trading for pitching prospects, and you have absolutely no idea the risk/reward the Padres were willing to take, concerning Paddock & Espinosa, in trading for them. Seems like you’re morso trying to
The grounds that Anderson Espinoza hasn’t pitched since 2016 and Chris Paddack had “nothing wrong with him” when he was traded then needed Tommy John surgery 3 starts later.
That’s completely circumstantial, and you personally have zero idea what they saw in the elbow when examined. Again, you have no idea what risk/reward they were willing to take on in both trades. It seems like you’re completely missing the point.
“That’s completely circumstantial”
So was Colin Rea
* more so trying to rationalize what the Padres did, while not acknowledging the simple fact that over the counter or not the Sox nor Marlins had the ability to make a pertinent decision on the actual risks. Quite honestly, the comment is flat out ridiculous, and completely reaching.
Were the pitchers healthy?
Yes. Everyone was healthy.
James shields was healthy. Rea was healthy he pitched 3 innings got injured. Pomeranz wad healthy made 17 starts aftet the trade and 32 the next year. Rodney and cashner
I’m sorry who exactly was damaged goods the padres traded? Exactly. No one. Everyone was healthy. Only rea got injured pitching, which you know pitchers do get injured pitching.
Like you said. Pitchers are risky. Padres took a risk on Espinoza and Paddack. Teams took a chance on padres pitchers. Weird how you tell the padres to suck it up but seem ok with everyone else whining at the time when your logic is pitchers are risky lol.
Hey Mathteacher if you are going to argue at least get your facts straight. Pom made 13 starts in 2016 for Boston after the trade not 17 and yes he did miss starts. Just saying you should at least get your facts straight when arguing.
Yeah they should…. lol
This is the dumbest conversation I’ve ever seen here.
Do you have any prior evidence of Boston hiding or lying medical information that would call for that? Or are you just a salty Padres’ fan?
youtube.com/watch?v=M4OYakFshc8
Why do these links never work on my phone app?
Don’t worry that one wasn’t worth clicking.
geez thats horrible
2 TJ’s at the age of 21? He’s done.
Not even close to being true, Jonny Venters says hi.
The Jonny Venters who’s on the DL again, and can’t go more that 10 pitches even when “healthy”? His season so far seem like a success to you? If that’s your barometer, then sure, maybe he’s not done. But he is.
Jonny is a great “feel-good” story, but there was a time when there was a legitimate debate amongst ATL fans about who would be the better reliever, him or Kimbrel. Multiple TJs ruined him, like they ruin everyone.
“then sure, maybe he’s not done. But he is.”
….pure comedy. Man, just admit I’m right and youre wrong and go away. Venters hasn’t been a starter since 2009 and has thrown plenty in between his TJ’s…just a laughable, butthurt post. You are wrong.
Bigger foolish part about this homerism/butthurtedness is the fact that Padres fans literally thought an 18 year old pitching prospect was a LOCK for 200 innings a year every year of life. Jokes, all of you. Grow up.
You seem mad bro. Do you want to talk to someone about what’s really making you mad?
There’s so much wrong with your post I don’t know where to start…first off, not homerism because I’m not a Padres or Red Sox fan – I don’t have a dog in this race. Second, all I pointed out was that Venters – YOUR example of not being done because he “says hi” – is NOT a good example of a successful return from multiple Tommy John surgeries. A simple glance at his before/after stats shows that to be completely inarguable – he’s a shell of what he once was. He’s a “success story” simply because he’s able to exist on a professional mound, but surely that’s not the “success” expected with a top prospect like Espinoza. Third, seriously, settle down. Who hurt you that you think replying this way to strangers who disagree with you is acceptable?
Did Pomeranz sign anywhere?
SF
Wonder if it was a result of bad surgery or bad rehab? Either way tough break for him. Luckily he’s 21 and has time to rebound.
Wasn’t Eovaldi injured when the Red Sox traded for him? Most trades are “let the buyer beware”.
Espinoza was top minor league prospect at the time of the trade.
All this nonsense about the trade, but on the human side of things you have to feel for this kid. Two TJs is devastating and he’ll probably never reach the big show and know if his talent would cut it.
He may make it back. But his career as a starter it’s likely over. Hopefully he does make it.
He is done. He may as well move on.
Yeah, great take buddy. I’m sure he should just give up and go back to the gem of a country he’s from. I’d be dying to get back to Venezuela.
Much like Eovaldi, Venters et al, he can and will easily make the Show if he learns to be a pitcher, not a thrower.
Pitching is an art form and those who master it a) dont often throw 95+ and b) don’t really get arm injuries. Nolan Ryan and Verlander are HOFers and are 100% NOT the norm, yet everyone acts like every pitcher has their arm and brain. It’s ridiculous. Just throw 90-92 with lots of offspeed stuff and you can succeed at the highest level. Everyone wants to throw 100 with offspeed stuff, thats dumb and wrong and the results speak for themselves (TJ).
We got ripped off. Obviously, the Red Sox made the trade for a reason.
Now you owe us a favor to make up for the damaged goods.
Stop being a psycho, you did not get ripped off, Pomeranz isn’t actually any good and you traded him 1-1 for an 18 year old prospect, quit being sour and act like an adult and understand that these things happen.
Padres fans looking for pity. You can’t possibly make them up..
I’m almost devastated.
“… quit being sour and act like an adult and understand that these things happen.”
I’d say the exact same thing about Rea and Pomeranz.
Seems those trades in the summer of 2016 turned sour sooner and later … except the Padres somehow, some way got Chris Paddack. for Fernando Rodney. .Paddack had the surgery, but now, look where we are.
Espinoza for Pomeranz: Seems Pomeranz and the Red Sox are the winners here as Pomeranz got a ring. Ironic that the Red Sox were the ones who complained the loudest. Perhaps it’s also ironic that the Red Sox got busted for shenanigans with some International signees and had to give up all three.
Colin Rea (Cashner and Guerrero) for Luis Castillo and Josh Naylor (Cosart, Capps) Rea blows out his elbow after one start, and he returns to the Padres and Castillo returns to Miami. Here’s one I really, really, really wish had stood as transacted… Castillo is eventually traded to Cincinnati, where he’s become a budding star. Don’t know how good Rea would have become if healthy … but I highly doubt as good as Castillo. Naylor will be with the Padres (or someone else in 2020.
Anyway, I don’t really believe the Red Sox knew Espinoza was damaged. In fact, he may not have been (and probably wasn’t) when the trade was made. To mind mind, an unfortunate result for young Espinoza.
Nor was Pomeranz