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Phillies Close To Acquiring Jay Bruce

By Ty Bradley | June 2, 2019 at 8:28am CDT

TODAY: The Phillies will cover “the bulk” of Bruce’s remaining salary obligations once the deal is official, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets.  While the exact dollar figures aren’t yet known, the Phillies were willing to take on more of Bruce’s contract than any other team the Mariners were in talks with about the veteran slugger, Nightengale notes.

SATURDAY, 10:46pm: A deal’s close to the finish line, “pending a review of Bruce’s medicals and other final details,” Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets. The Mariners will receive cash savings and a minor leaguer in return, Rosenthal adds.

12:57pm: Passan has amended his earlier report to state that a deal between the two sides is “not imminent.”

12:45pm: The Phillies are “nearing a deal” to acquire Jay Bruce, tweets ESPN’s Jeff Passan, who notes that the deal’s expected to be completed within the next 24 hours.

Bruce, 32, has rebounded in ’19 for the Mariners after a poor showing in 2018 with the Mets. In 184 plate appearances for Seattle, the three-time all-star’s posted a solid .212/.283/.533 line (114 wRC+) on the back of a career-best .321 ISO.  His hard-hit rate has jumped to near career-best levels, though his average exit velocity (via Statcast) still doesn’t register among the game’s top 100 qualified hitters.

Armed with a no-trade clause and a hefty $22.5 MM remaining on the three-year deal he signed with New York prior to the 2018 season, Bruce didn’t seem a likely candidate to move so soon, especially to a club which already featured Bryce Harper and an aging Andrew McCutchen at the corner-outfield spots. McCutchen, though, has more often been deployed in his traditional center-field post (despite frightening advanced metrics at the position in his last two prolonged attempts) in the absence of Odubel Herrera, who’s been placed on administrative leave after his arrest for a domestic violence charge.

Bruce, then, could fill Nick Williams’ current role as the strong side of a left-field platoon, or perhaps simply as a bench option (MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Phils are looking to upgrade the unit) and DH in AL parks. The longtime Red’s always been a bit of a liability against southpaws, and his defense, like McCutchen’s, has declined rapidly in recent seasons.

Trigger-happy Mariners GM Jerry DiPoto again seems to be on the prowl for Seattle, this time in perhaps the more thorough iteration of a multi-stage teardown that began in earnest last November. There’ll be no shortage of candidates with which to shuffle, though many of the choicest names have been injured (Kyle Seager) or seen their performance slide to immovable levels (Dee Gordon, Mike Leake).

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  1. francys08

    2 years ago

    This is good for the Phillies. Hopefully, Bruce can help the Phillies get to the playoffs.

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    • LittleWolf 2

      2 years ago

      He should be able to hit and the Phillies will make the playoffs this season

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  2. jb19

    2 years ago

    Tell me again about that 13-2 start and the home runs in consecutive game record

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    • sidewinder11

      2 years ago

      I don’t think anyone honestly expected the M’s to keep that pace. That doesn’t make the feat any less impressive though.

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      • jb19

        2 years ago

        Good for them.

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      • LittleWolf 2

        2 years ago

        Mariners started the season great. They were in 1 in their division now in last place

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    • Dan Vogelwalk

      2 years ago

      The Mariners started 13-2 and broke the record for consecutive games with a home run to start the year

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      • PhilsPhan

        2 years ago

        Well played lol

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      • dugdog83

        2 years ago

        Who had the record before them?

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        • Benjamin560

          2 years ago

          St. Louis

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  3. zachgwest

    2 years ago

    Batting average .200 lol

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    • darthrader66

      2 years ago

      14 HR tho

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        2 years ago

        The ball is juiced but imagine the HR total playing in Philly.

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    • Solar Flare

      2 years ago

      Slugging Percentage > Batting Average

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      • DTD

        2 years ago

        So you’d be ok with someone batting .100 as long as their hits were homers.

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        • Bennybosox

          2 years ago

          welcome to 2019…take a look around, you’ll see that the batting average for the standard “All Star” hitter is around .225 but they’ve got 20+ HR and more K’s & walks than singles…

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        • nmendoza7

          2 years ago

          I bet you felt like a genius writing that nonsense.

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        • ckln88

          2 years ago

          espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26757283/is-300-hitter-thi…

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        • mlb1225

          2 years ago

          Who are these so called “all-stars” that are batting around .220?

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        • jakec77

          2 years ago

          That’s a .400 slugging percentage which is not good.

          Get that BA up to .150 (all HRs) and I’d take it.

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        • petrie000

          2 years ago

          So long as they were producing runs at an above average clip, yes.

          Batting average doesn’t mean anything if it’s not translating to run.

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        • Solar Flare

          2 years ago

          Not exactly, but as I’ve said before, I’d rather have a hitter that hits .250 with 40 home runs and 110 runs batted in than a hitter that hits .300 with 15 home runs and 70 runs batted in.

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        • Doc44

          2 years ago

          AVG doesn’t translate to runs? That’s a garbage comment. Total and complete garbage.

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        • coldbeer

          2 years ago

          DTD over 500 ABs that’s 50 HRs. I’d take that.

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        • wayneroo

          2 years ago

          Hittinh .100 over 600 ABs gives you 60 HRs and probably 100 RBI.

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        • petrie000

          2 years ago

          No, average doesn’t correlate to runs at a reliable rate. Sorry if that doesn’t mesh with your assumptions, but it’s mathematically true and math doesn’t care about what you want to hear.

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        • SaberSmuckers

          2 years ago

          What “standard all-star” are you specifically referring to? Please provide support for your sad attempt at knowing what you’re talking about.

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        • Prospectnvstr

          2 years ago

          And hopefully you feel like the numbskull that you came off as.

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        • bravesfan88

          2 years ago

          Getting on base and not striking out correlates directly to not making outs, continuing innings, continuing rallies, and being able to score multiple runs..Jay Bruce is where rallies go to die..

          It isn’t all about HR’s, contrary to your belief. Yes, HRs are nice, but there’s a lot more to winning baseball than just solely HRs..

          Right now, Bruce is striking out in roughly 30% of his plate appearances. He has 88 total bases, 56 of those coming from his HRs, meaning outside of his HRs, he’s only accounted for 32 bases in 151 at-bats…That means Bruce has basically provided his team with only a single out of every 5 at-bats he has taken..

          Ohh, and do not forget, he will also strike out twice, and hit one pop-up to the infield in those 5 at-bats as well..Soo, that is the player you’re defending??

          Even if you include his home runs, Bruce is still awful when hitting with RISP, but let us not forget, he will hit a HR every 12 at-bats!!

          So, Bruce is the kind of high production player you want right?? In those 12 at-bats, you’ll get that 1 HR, which is likely to be a solo shot, you’ll get 2 infield pop-ups, a fly out to the outfield, four strike outs, a couple groundouts, a lineout somewhere, ohh and maybe another single..

          Are you still sure THAT is the guy you want to be defending so vehemently?!? lmao…I know I definitely wouldn’t..

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        • bigkempin

          2 years ago

          Ummm yeah, but Bruce isn’t likely to hit .250/40/110.

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        • Solar Flare

          2 years ago

          I didn’t say that batting average doesn’t translate to runs, I just dig the long ball.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          You have to consider who Bruce would replacing. The Phillies do not want Bruce to start. So essentially he is a bat off the bench. Andrew Knapp and Nick Williams have been atrocious off the bench. So, Bruce, while nothing special, is an improvement over what the Phillies currently have.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 years ago

          fantasy baseball 2019, HR, SO or BB. MLB is banking their future on garbage. Very sad.

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        • traitorjerry

          2 years ago

          .816 is actually remarkably decent in spite of a weak average. Surprised that the contract was reportedly movable. Mets totally screwed up that trade…

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        • traitorjerry

          2 years ago

          816 OPS.

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        • NYY42

          2 years ago

          WTF are you talking about? .225 all stars?

          Lol

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        • Gavin B

          2 years ago

          The problem with this is 9 of his homeruns came before may Since than he only has 4

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        • LittleWolf 2

          2 years ago

          20 homers maybe but still hitting singles and doubles makes a good hitter who cares about walks

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      • ckln88

        2 years ago

        Last 7 games: .391/.481/.826 2 HR, 1 STOLEN BASE(what?!) he’s on fire.

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      • mgrap84

        2 years ago

        Guess you love Chris Davis then

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        • petrie000

          2 years ago

          Davis’ problem is his power numbers have tanked along with everything else. He was never a high average/obp guy.

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      • bravesfan88

        2 years ago

        That is certainly debateable, it really depends on what you need out of the spot that player fills for your team. Even so, that .212 batting average and Bruce’s .283 on-base percentage are both pretty awful. So, yes, Bruce gives you 14 HR’s, but how many rallies or scoring opportunities will he ruin in the process??

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      • nats3256

        2 years ago

        Entirely false. Getting on base and not striking out are key.

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      Yeh, in this writers world, batting .212 is “SOLID”!

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    • cutbait

      2 years ago

      “.212”

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  4. david klein

    2 years ago

    An OF of Cutch, Bruce and Harper is gonna be very ugly defensively

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    • hpafs

      2 years ago

      Doubtful Cutch moves back to center… the Phillies are looking for bench depth and I’m sure they’re viewing Bruce and a nice PH piece

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      Bruce will be hitting off the bench, not starting in the OF. Also I get the Harper hate, but his defense has been solid this year.

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      • david klein

        2 years ago

        Not according to statcast

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    • jbigz12

      2 years ago

      Making a big deal about Cutch playing CF is silly considering they were playing Odubel Herrera out there. He is every bit as poor and cannot hit.

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    • Benjamin560

      2 years ago

      Bruce is actually better than I thought in the OF. He’s no Byron Buxton, but he’s certainly not Domingo Santana.

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  5. DD martin

    2 years ago

    I guess the question is why? Sure he has some pop but he’s hitting RISP of .128 and .171 with runners on base. So he hits solo homers and mostly in low leverage situations. If they gave Nick Williams an everyday chance he’d probably do better than Bruce. But as a Mariner fan I hope they get whatever they can

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      Because Andrew Knapp and Nick Williams are abysmal offensively. Herrera is a mess with the domestic violence stuff. This gives the Phils some pop off the bench. And really, I’d rather see Brucs hitting than Williams or Knapp.

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      • DD martin

        2 years ago

        Hope it happens and the Phils Dan be stuck with the rest of the 3 yr $39 million mistake that Dipoto made. In fact doing a Williams for Bruce straight up deal is a win for the Mariners

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        • kaehlaone

          2 years ago

          Uh…let’s correct your myriad of errors.

          1. He had 2yrs/$28M left when acquired
          2. He has roughly $23M left thru next season
          3. He was acquired as salary offset for Cano so not a mistake as he wasn’t acquired to be a long term piece
          4. The Ms will likely eat salary to move him
          5. They likely get a couple B level guys in return or maybe a compensatory pick if Phillies have one

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        • SaberSmuckers

          2 years ago

          We don’t root for the same teams, but thank you for providing the facts.

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        • Lumps of Cole

          2 years ago

          How are signing bonuses handled in trades? I would have thought he had two years and $26 million left sans what he’s earned this year.

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  6. bleacherbum

    2 years ago

    Does this deal effect Nick Williams playing time now?

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    • hiflew

      2 years ago

      No, but it might affect it.

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      • bleacherbum

        2 years ago

        Thanks

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      • ckln88

        2 years ago

        Love it.

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        • bleacherbum

          2 years ago

          Lol

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    • david klein

      2 years ago

      Yes he probably goes back down

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      • bleacherbum

        2 years ago

        Can he play CF?

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  7. VonPurpleHayes

    2 years ago

    I like this move. I am sick of seeing Knapp pinch hit. Nick Williams can’t hit either. This gives us a nice bat off the bench. A Williams/Bruce platoon can replace Herrera who is likely done.

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    • hiflew

      2 years ago

      How can you like the move before you know anything about the move? There is nothing known about what is going back.

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        2 years ago

        I like the idea of going after depth for the bench. I assume they gave up next to nothing for Bruce. Obviously if they traded Nola for Bruce I am not happy. Lol. But, it’s Bruce. They probably got him for cash.

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        • hiflew

          2 years ago

          It’s the Mariners. They aren’t trading for cash. They can’t trade cash to someone else in two months.

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        • jbigz12

          2 years ago

          Jay Bruce has no value on his deal. It’s not hard to imagine what they just gave up. Absolutely nothing but salary relief and probably a 26 year old in AA.

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        • AndyMeyer

          2 years ago

          $13 million this year and next is pretty expensive for a bench/platoon guy

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        • jerrytek

          2 years ago

          The deal will very likely include the M’s paying that down. But more $ = better prospect return.

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      • pt57

        2 years ago

        Platoon? Bruce and Williams are both LH hitters.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          Right, but Nick Williams can’t hit and Jay Bruce can’t field.

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  8. 22Leo

    2 years ago

    The Phillies and Padres are clearly desperate and neither will be a threat in the playoffs.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      The Phillies are the 2nd best team in the NL. This isn’t a desperation move. It simply adds depth to the bench.

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    • bleacherbum

      2 years ago

      Lol that is a clown response.

      The Phillies can mash with anyone, and The Padres are being desperate how? Bringing up their top prospects when they are ready? Sprinkling in a couple big free agent signings?

      I don’t see any desperation at all.

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      • 22Leo

        2 years ago

        The contracts are desperate.

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        • pinstripes17

          2 years ago

          So becoming a significantly better team is desperate now? i want my team to be desperate then!

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    • DarkSide830

      2 years ago

      2nd best team in the NL depsite offensive and pitching struggles from time to time…yeah desperate.

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  9. saintchristafa

    2 years ago

    I hope it’s Nick Williams. He needs a team where he can get some consistent playing time

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      He had plenty last year and he was horrendous. He has shown nothing in his starts this year either.

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    • muskie73

      2 years ago

      Nick Williams is a poor man’s Mallex Smith, who has a 3.4 fWAR season to his credit despite being only four months older than Williams.

      Williams would be unlikely to crack the Seattle outfield of Mitch Haniger, Domingo Santana and Smith, who remain under team control for a combined eight seasons after this year.

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      • jbigz12

        2 years ago

        I don’t know how comping Nick Williams to Mallex Smith is an apt comparison in any way. Williams is a power hitting corner OF while Mallex is a speedy CF with a questionable arm.

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  10. DTD

    2 years ago

    So .212/.283 is solid now? If that’s solid, baseball is doomed.

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    • ckln88

      2 years ago

      Look at his most recent 7 and 15 game stats.

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      • DarkSide830

        2 years ago

        because 7-15 games make a player good

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        • Lennon'sDad

          2 years ago

          Bruce has a slightly longer history of being good in his career than just the most recent 7-15 game stats this season.

          The SLG this season shouldn’t go unnoticed, either.

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    • petrie000

      2 years ago

      When it comes with above average run production, yes.

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    • connfyoozed

      2 years ago

      I had about the same thought when I read it. Baseball isn’t “doomed” per se, but it is becoming very, very different from what many of us grew up with.

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      • Doc44

        2 years ago

        I fear that It does appear to be “doomed”. It’s not even watchable anymore with all the Ks and HR’s. Instant reply is a disgrace. It’s over man. They ruined the game

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        • petrie000

          2 years ago

          Don’t pick fights with progress. Progress always win.

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        • snotrocket

          2 years ago

          Progress is subjective.

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    • kaehlaone

      2 years ago

      .816 OPS, 116 OPS+, good clubhouse guy. That’s a pretty solid guy to add, especially if the Ms eat salary as they likely will. You probably limit his ABs versus LH pitching which should help his numbers as well

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    • Solar Flare

      2 years ago

      He is also slugging .533 and has an .816 OPS as well as an 116 OPS+.

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  11. Joe Covert

    2 years ago

    They need an outfielder that can hit a fastball because overpaid Harper can’t hit one.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      You clearly haven’t been watching Harper lately.

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      • connfyoozed

        2 years ago

        Apologies if I’ve said this previously, I don’t recall, but yours is one of the best user names I’ve seen on this site. I chuckle every time I picture Von Hayes and Jimi Hendrix together.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          Haha. Thank you! I was a big Von Hayes mark as a kid.

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      • Basebal101

        2 years ago

        Lately? Yes please correct. He’s hit a fastball good for the last 2 weeks(2 weeks of the past 2 years)

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  12. Bennybosox

    2 years ago

    I’d be interested to see what goes back. Gotta figure Bruce is more of a salary dump than an asset. Maybe Moniak finds his way to Seattle

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    • bleacherbum

      2 years ago

      There is no way Moniak is in this deal. If anything it will be cash considerations and maybe a flier prospect going back go SEA like Manuel Silva.

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      • wayneroo

        2 years ago

        Seattle won’t be dealing for cash, they’ll be paying cash in this deal, no question. They want prospects.

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    • DarkSide830

      2 years ago

      i went to reading a few weeks ago, and came upon the conclusion that one of their OF mix would be gone before the year is out. Moniak, Haseley, and to some degree Randolph look like they could be good players goung forward, but there’s no space for all three, or even two. perhaps Hasely replaces Herrera next year and they deal away Bruce and Williams in the offseason.

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  13. KingSall77

    2 years ago

    Bruce will replace Odubel Herrera because of Domestic Violence.

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  14. DadsInDaniaBeach

    2 years ago

    So, this is what they do? I’d rather see Kimbrel wearing a Phillies uniform..
    Once again, Roman Quinn gets left back because of IL visits…Dylan is out for the year, so he is also left behind..need to be there to advance…
    To be clear this pending deal does nothing for me..not sure how it moves the sticks

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    • bucketbrew35

      2 years ago

      “So, this is what they do? I’d rather see Kimbrel wearing a Phillies uniform..
      Once again, Roman Quinn gets left back because of IL visits…Dylan is out for the year, so he is also left behind..need to be there to advance…
      To be clear this pending deal does nothing for me..not sure how it moves the sticks.”

      It’s June and the Phillies are already making moves. I don’t see anyone else doing it so far so I’m pretty happy about it.

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  15. DarkSide830

    2 years ago

    euh, really? hope its mostly salary relief.

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  16. ZacharyPaul

    2 years ago

    The guy runs into some HRs from time to time, but a .212 BA with a .283 OBP is anything but solid. I don’t care what your fips, dips, babips and zips say. So many ridiculous stats nowadays.

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    • petrie000

      2 years ago

      Why are stats that give you a better contextual measure of a player the ridiculous ones?

      Because they’re new or because they’re complicated?

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      • ZacharyPaul

        2 years ago

        Because there is 8000 new metrics, and yes, some of them are pretty complicated and ridiculous in my opinion. Doesn’t make me wrong. Some of the newer metrics do make sense, and some are completely stupid. Not all change is good.

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        • kaehlaone

          2 years ago

          OPS is the most telling stat there is for overall hitting value. He has a .800+ OPS and a 116 OPS+

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        • Yankeedynasty

          2 years ago

          No, the most telling stat is wRC+

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  17. jakec77

    2 years ago

    Why would Bruce accept a trade in early June to go be a bench player? I’d assume that he’ll be promised that at least initially he’ll be at least a semi-regular.

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    • petrie000

      2 years ago

      To not be the last rat left on the sinking SS Mariner?

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    • connfyoozed

      2 years ago

      Maybe at this point in his career a chance at a World Series win counts more to him than playing every day.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      Jumping ship for a first place team isn’t unheard of.

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    • kaehlaone

      2 years ago

      He has a limited no trade that consists of five teams

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      • kaehlaone

        2 years ago

        He’s already waived the no trade to Phillies per Passan

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  18. batty

    2 years ago

    Stats math in baseball ain’t what it used to be. When a traditional slash line of .212/.283/.533 is considered solid, then we’ve reached knew lows. I get that BA isn’t the be all to end all, but it does matter. Just as OBP matters. Because the two are somewhat tied to each other. OPS, imo, is a nothing stat. Adding 2 disparate stats together to come up with a new stat is nothing more than an agent’s ploy to get a bigger payday. Get on base, by hook or crook, and then you are doing something beneficial to the team. I’d rather have a hitter that hits to all fields with all 4 possible good results than a hitter that is pull happy and 1 dimensional. Home runs are not everything and strikeouts are almost always a negative.

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    • petrie000

      2 years ago

      WRC+ isn’t OPS, it’s run creation weighted against league average.

      So far this season, Bruce is creating runs at a very solid clip. Which is how you win ball games.

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      • batty

        2 years ago

        Did i compare wRC+ with OPS?

        Wouldn’t a higher OBP up his wRC+ ?

        Wouldn’t a higher BA up his OBP and therefore his wRC+ ?

        The answers to these questions are No, Yes & Yes.

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        • jbigz12

          2 years ago

          A higher BA wouldn’t up his OBP if he walked less. I’m not sure how you believe BA does matter but slugging does not. There’s obviously a difference between a .280 guy who hits singles like Hanser Alberto and a .280 guy who hits a ton of XBH’s….Don’t know why that would be a garbage stat to you. OPS tells you how much pop and on base prowess a guy has. If you’d rather look at the two separately (slugging and OBP) that’s fine but it’s certainly a valid stat.

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        • batty

          2 years ago

          Where did i lower his walk rate? Why would a higher BA necessarily mean a lower walk rate? SLG% is a by-product of of a player’s BA. Where did i say i wanted a slap hitter? Did i not say “I’d rather have a hitter that hits to all fields with all 4 possible good results”? SLG% tells you how much pop a player has and OBP tells you what regularity a player gets on base. OPS tells you nothing new except how to add 2 random stats together. Might as well add walk rate and doubles together. Then you’ll know how many times that player got on via walk or double. A useless stat we could call BBD% for those that just can’t get enough of convolution.

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        • jbigz12

          2 years ago

          The goal of baseball is to get on base and to create runs. By adding OBP and SLG% it’s not hard to see how that might be informative for how talented a hitter is. Sure, it’d be nicer to have a guy OPS’ing .816 like Bruce with a .350 OBP and a .280 BA but those guys aren’t exactly a dime a dozen.

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        • batty

          2 years ago

          The goal, at least 1 of the many, is indeed getting on base. Bruce doesn’t get on base at an acceptable rate. His OPS is based mainly on his SLG% and that makes him 1 dimensional. He doesn’t walk and he doesn’t hit well enough to bolster his OBP, so the OPS he has is somewhat all smoke & mirrors. OPS is an empty stat that agents love having in hand when negotiating contracts.

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  19. DarkSide830

    2 years ago

    ah, now i get it; Klentak feels bad for fleecing DiPoto out of Segura.

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    • kaehlaone

      2 years ago

      That trade is far from a win fir the Phillies. They absorbed a lot of money for Segura who has been worth 0.9 WAR. The Mariners in turn got 5yrs of Crawford who was worth 0.4 WAR in one third the time of Segura. Plus they ended up with Encarnacion, 1.1 WAR, for flipping Santana. They also got a pick after the second round for Santana and they’ll get a prospect or two when they move Encarnscion

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      • jbigz12

        2 years ago

        Per bWAR. fWAR has segura at 1.3 and Crawford at .4. I also would not extrapolate a 67 AB sample size of Crawford in which he has a .400 BABIP and a measly 22% hard hit rate to a larger sample. Crawford’s xWOBA was something like .275 when I last checked. He won’t hit at this level if his batted ball profile stays this way. I would not call the deal a fleecing as Seattle was not in position to contend and received a potential cheap long term SS but Philly didn’t do so badly themselves thus far.

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  20. bravesfan

    2 years ago

    Seems dumb

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  21. petrie000

    2 years ago

    On the one hand, a power bat off the bench could be very good for the Philles, and he’d cost next to nothing to get

    On the other, his numbers just scream regression at some point…

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    • DarkSide830

      2 years ago

      i know we can eat it, but $22 million for midling production isnt really worth it. we trade for Gordon and get much more out of it.

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    • jbigz12

      2 years ago

      2019 40% hard hit rate. 35% career
      210 BABIP .280 career
      HR/FB% 21% career 16%

      Wouldn’t bet on that. His K rate is a bit higher than career norms but I’d expect slightly less power with a raised BA. But given his increased fly ball approach this year and moving into a band box like Philly I could easily see this continuing. Above average production looks pretty sustainable to me.

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  22. Jimcarlo Slaton

    2 years ago

    I would not even trade Nick Williams for Bruce but if they can get him for a fringe prospect and quite a bit of relief from the money he’s owed, why not.. He will probably provide some power.

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  23. jett

    2 years ago

    It’s an interesting move to say the least. Bruce’s bat would definitely play at CBP but he’d be the LH bat off the bench, platoon guy, & DH against righties vs AL opponents. The Phillies need a CF which is what they hope Haseley/Moniak will be.

    A deal is a win for the Phillies because it’ll let Williams move back down to AAA and get regular at-bats. He’ll be one of the chips the Phils trade either this summer or winter. There’s rebuilding teams that are OF starved that have starting pitching (TOR, SF, etc.) to trade for. Plus Williams gap power, above average speed, and okay defense (if he’s in left field) would interest any AL club that doesn’t have an entrenched DH under contract.

    Only thing worrying as a Phillies fan is the money he’s owed. Regardless of the deal, it’s foolish to expect the M’s to get anything of substance for Bruce considering his contract & performance. If anything, if the Phillies took most/all of the remaining money on, it’d be the M’s sending a quality player/prospect back (similar to Diaz with Cano but not at that level). If the M’s take on most of the salary, the Phillies would probably send some combination of a non top 30 prospect and/or a AAAA/non-prospect type on the 40 man roster, like a Mitch Walding. But taking on any money like that for a LH bench bat when they need to add at least 1 maybe 2 relievers, a backup catcher, and a top of the rotation arm just doesn’t make any sense unless the M’s take on the bulk of it.

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  24. TellItGoodbye

    2 years ago

    So now .212 is solid. Such a sad state of affairs. No matter how one spins the metrics on hard hit balls or runs generated blah blah blah, the man is hitting .212.

    1100 home runs per month in MLB, and a guy hitting .212 is something to admire. What’s happened to this game?

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    • petrie000

      2 years ago

      It got smarter.

      How often a player hits the ball doesn’t translate to runs scored as often as stats like, well, runs generated.

      Don’t get sentimental about stats, they’re just math equations.

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  25. clrrogers

    2 years ago

    It’s frustrating to see these writers on Twitter report trades that are about to happen, only to come back later and say, “now I’m being told…” or “another source says…”. They care more about being first than being right.

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    • jett

      2 years ago

      mobile.twitter.com/MattGelb/status/113487945441986…

      Matt Gelb of the Athletic confirmed Passan’s report (Gelb covers/covered the Phillies). According to this, the Phillies are taking on the bulk of the salary and all of it in 2020. If that ends up being the case, then the Phillies will be the ones getting a decent return. While it won’t be what the Mets got for taking on Cano (Edwin Diaz), the M’s will get salary relief and the Phillies will get Bruce and a ML/near ML ready player/pitcher or a prospect of some substance.

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  26. Lennon'sDad

    2 years ago

    How about a twist on this?

    Throw in Seager with Bruce in exchange for Franco. Phillies would be on the hook for Seager’s 2022 option, but they’d have a notable upgrade at 3B.

    Franco would be a stopgap for Seattle, if not DFA immediately. Pure salary dump for Seattle.

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    • jett

      2 years ago

      Nice in theory but I think that deal is a year too late. The Phils have top 3B prospect Alec Bohm and he’s already been promoted once and is still tearing up the minors. Good chance he ends the year at AA, maybe even AAA if he keeps up this pace. Bohm, will be in Philly by 2021 as long as there’s no snags. Plus, if you want a real twist, the Phils have a seen a lot of a certain 3B that will be available this summer/winter. Phillies could try to sign Anthony Rendon. Play him at 3B and then move him to 2B (his original position when he came up with WSH) when Bohm is ready. I know it’s video-game-y but I thought I’d have fun and throw it out there.

      Tbh I kinda like Franco as a bench piece. Good pop, he’d be forced to be selective again in limited AB’s and can fill in at 3B or 1B effectively for a short time. I just think the Phillies would be more driven to acquire a piece of need (CF/P) or a prospect they could eventually flip for a pitcher this summer than taking on more money at a position that right now they don’t need a glaring upgrade at midseason. I like your idea I just think it doesn’t fit the way the 2019 Phillies are constructed.

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      • Jimcarlo Slaton

        2 years ago

        I’ve finally given up on the hope that Franco will be a consistent producer, but even still, I wouldn’t mind having him around for the remainder of this year, since he tends to heat up in August and September.

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        • jett

          2 years ago

          Agreed. He was a big reason why the Phillies had such a great start. But after the league made adjustments he reverted back to the old Maikel. He starting seeing more first pitch breaking stuff and making easy outs. You can see the noticeable lack of pitches seen/taken during his slump compared to how he came out of the gate. His swing % went up, his K % went up. He tried to do too much. I still believe you can win a WS with Franco at 3B but it does require contributions from all the other positions to pickup the slack. He’s gonna be streaky but at the right time, he’s what the Phillies will need.

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      • Lennon'sDad

        2 years ago

        Bohm is at least two years out. Seager can also play second, so he could slide into a bench role at some point.

        For the record, I don’t see this happening. Fun to speculate, though.

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  27. DarkSide830

    2 years ago

    additionally, (i know ill get ridiculed for this) could this end up being a swap involving Herrera? He’s owed a decent ammount of money over the next few years as well, and i wouldn’t put it past DiPoto to try to do something with him.

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    • jdrushton

      2 years ago

      I don’t think the Phils can doing anything with Herrera while he is on administrative leave. not sure if that’s also true if he is suspended.

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  28. jerrytek

    2 years ago

    How about something simple: Bruce plus $$$ for Nick Williams.

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    • jett

      2 years ago

      Nick Williams still has value. Bruce has the advantage is raw power but Williams will hit for a higher average, more doubles, better speed on the basepaths and the field, can place average defense in LF. Also, he’s 6-7 years younger and has 5 years of control left. We know what Jay Bruce is. Nick Williams is a piece (not a headliner) but a piece that gets you a #1 or #2 starter on the market or an All-star level position player. Jay Bruce + $$$$ gets you a backup SS from Low A ball.

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  29. coldbeer

    2 years ago

    Dipoto making his mark and putting his stamp on his team, I get.

    Making too many moves too quickly can be a slippery slope with regards to establishing and sustaining a unified clubhouse and team culture.

    I hope it works out because its sure entertaining to follow.

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  30. Phillies2017

    2 years ago

    Obviously theres a lot I would need to know before judging a prospective deal, but I don’t love Bruce. He comes with a high monetary price tag despite a sub-.300 OBP and the fact that he’s a bit limited defensively. While hes a strong power hitter, the Phillies could have achieved a similar effect by signing Chris Carter or picking up Grandy for nothing. Again, we dont know exactly what the cost is, but seems probable to be expensive for a depth acquisition.

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  31. david klein

    2 years ago

    All that talk and might not happen

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  32. sufferfortribe

    2 years ago

    Since when did a .212/.283/.533 line become solid?

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    • jbigz12

      2 years ago

      Probably when .283+.533=.816 No shortage of teams who would like to have an OF OPS’ing above .800. The unsurprisingly struggling team you root for being one of those.

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  33. darkangel

    2 years ago

    DiPoto would trade his mother for a mascot.

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  34. jlv3gem

    2 years ago

    Okay, was at .212 BA and sub-.300 OBO just referred to as ‘solid’ numbers? Cause that’s trash

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  35. S24s37

    2 years ago

    Instead of replying to all of the people comments that about the Mariners sending prospects with Bruce it will just make a comment for all of you.

    The Mariners will not send even an average prospect to dump Bruce’s salary they are rebuilding they want prospects. The are not trying to clear salary. Anyone that listen to Mariners talk radio no this. I believe they would pay 100% of Bruce’s contact if it them a top prospect

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    • S24s37

      2 years ago

      Sorry about my bad grammar

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      • playicy

        2 years ago

        Mariners and Indians need to sell players now, because both team are so pathetic right now it’s not even funny anymore

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        • DarkSide830

          2 years ago

          so pathetic…the Mariners were expected to be bad and the Indians, underachieving as they are, are still better then a lot of other teams.

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  36. ew032

    2 years ago

    Since when is .212 considered “solid”, yet in a different post Dee Gordon’s .281 average was crticized?? A change of scenery in Philly can only do Bruce good, as it has for him on numerous prior occasions.

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  37. playicy

    2 years ago

    Bruce is a good player, but the Phillies need pitching to stay a float of the NL east, because as it gets hotter the Phillies young rotation will fall to the waste side!

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    • coldbeer

      2 years ago

      *fall by the way side

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      • chicagofan1978

        2 years ago

        Close enough

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  38. Joe W.

    2 years ago

    well cutch is on pace for his best season since 2015 and typically heats up mid summer

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  39. jbigz12

    2 years ago

    I think guys need to delve a little deeper into Bruce. His road slash line is much better than his home. T-mobile (Safeco) is typically a pitcher friendly venue and Bruce has struggled there. It’s ranked 17th in park factors at the moment but you have to remember the M’s came out blazing and have a ton of power in their lineup. So it’s not hard to imagine Philadelphia seeing this level of production or even better in moving to their hitter friendly confines. I think this could be a sneaky good add. I would imagine the money they take on is reasonable and anything is an upgrade over Herrera. He’s just as bad as Cutch in CF(though neither should be out there) It’s early enough to see how it plays out and if it’s not working making another move in July.

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  40. MiddleIn

    2 years ago

    Knapp is the next to go.

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    • DarkSide830

      2 years ago

      please…id like to see Grullon up.

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  41. Central Valley

    2 years ago

    I’m hearing the Phillies are seriously considering acquiring Madison Bumgarner and Will Smith from the SF Giants…

    Personally, I think that move would be fantastic for the Phillies.

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