Blue Jays right-hander Marcus Stroman has looked like a surefire trade candidate for a while. Even he expects to move before the July 31 trade deadline, having said after his Wednesday start – possibly his last with the Blue Jays – “There’s been no willingness from the front office to sign me, so I’ve just kind of come to terms with it and I’m ready to dominate, wherever that may be, absolutely dominate.”
Now, though, there are conflicting reports on whether Toronto is gearing up to part with Stroman, who’s earning $7.4MM this season and still has another year of arbitration control left. While Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes that Stroman is “generally viewed within the industry as the most likely top starter to be traded,” Andy Martino of SNY.tv tweets that the Blue Jays have informed teams they may extend the 28-year-old instead of moving him. As Martino notes, though, it may be a negotiating ploy on the part of Toronto, which – as Stroman said – hasn’t shown any real desire to commit to him for the long haul. It’s hard to believe the team will drastically change course on the cusp of the deadline.
The division-rival Yankees are among an array of contenders who have been connected to Stroman of late, but despite the problems in their rotation, a deal doesn’t look particularly likely to come together. New York hasn’t pursued Stroman as ardently as it went after one of his former teammates – fellow starter J.A. Happ – last year, according to Sherman, who reports the Yankees aren’t the perceived front-runners for Stroman right now. The club did land Happ, whom it then wound up re-signing to a two-year, $34MM contract in free agency, but the left-hander has fallen way short of expectations this season. Happ’s struggles are a key reason the league-leading Yankees are in the market for a high-end starter this summer.
Bob Melvin
We have our eyes on him!! Bob
RootedInOakland
U really want to give up 6 years of Puk or Luzardo plus more for 1 + a possible wc berth worth of Stroman? Hell na
Taejonguy
the idea is to get an extension signed before the deadline. No signing and he would be traded
stormie
He says they haven’t approached him at all about one, so that seems unlikely.
tycobb016
Ready to dominate? I don’t think so.
jbigz12
Ready to generate groundballs at a dominating rate!
Taejonguy
3rd best era… somewhat dominating if you believe in that sort of thing…
Foreveryankees
He couldn’t dominate AAA
AndyMeyer
But you’d take him pinstripes
LostYankeeinexile
Still think they’re waiting for firm word that Syndergaard and Bauer are off the table completely before settling for Stroman
Matt Galvin
Also if Degrom,Boyd,Madbum are been Traded.
Begamin
no thanks on boyd
MD
No thanks on anyone except madbum. Otherwise strengthen the bullpen
robluca21
I hope the yanks add a bullpen arm and a starter . They might even need 2 starters the way the pitching is going
washington_bonercats
Bums going nowhere. Giants surged enough to give the illusion of contending and Bum is the lynch pin of that team. Zaidi would be run out of town if he pulls the trigger. On top of that, Mad Bums last 2 months of starts and his impeccable post season numbers the asking price is going to be ridiculous. Add all of that to his ability to block trades to any major contender and he’s essentially become immovable.
dobsonel
Two starters and Sevy to the pen.
LostYankeeinexile
Even if SF made him available… umm you’d take a downhill sliding rental in MadBum over a young controllable fireballer like Thor or Bauer? That’s a bit short sided. Yanks have the youth and talent in controllable core players ready for a dynasty run… not the time for short term big name guys especially in an area of need like SP
LostYankeeinexile
Agreed… even with his pedigree though … he hasn’t really looked elite this season. He’s a gamer … but the only way I see it is if MadBum trade included an extension which is less likely then any other silly thing proposed lately
bigfatandugly
all the more reason to move him while you can generate something in return who despite the 2 month uptick in his peripherals has been consistently and gradually declining given his barrel hard hit and velocity rates.
LostYankeeinexile
Thor or Wheeler … that’s all I can see the Mets dealing. DeGrom is nowhere near the table … Boyd isn’t worth it with his history especially adding the fact that when first asked … Detroit demanded Gleyber… sooo not happening. MadBum is a rental and I guess I’d go there if the price was reasonable… say Estrada and Adams … but with this being his last year and SF wanting to trade on his name not his actual value … I don’t see it happening. Thor or Bauer are the top tier hopes
jbigz12
The Giants would be better off taking a draft pick. Trading Bumgarner for a future utility infielder and 5th starter/swingman is a PR nightmare.
LostYankeeinexile
Well trading Bumgarner out of SF for anything but the next Mike Trout is going to be a PR nightmare lol … just saying what his current realistic value is unless you get a GM willing to seriously overpay. Also .. if Free Agency keeps going SF could end up with nothing. MadBum could go unsigned like Keuchel did and then SF gets nothing. It’s possible….
Ejemp2006
“We will trade for him.” Brewers
joester12
Brewers need him
sherlock_
Bring him to Oakland!
RootedInOakland
I mean with the young offensive talent they have it’s not inconceivable that the Jays could be contenders again in 2-5 years so I could understand an extension, unless a team really gives u a package with a lot of top farm talent
baseball10183768
Are they planning on moving out of the AL east?
Ejemp2006
Red Sox burned all to win now now now, using Dombrowski model. They will fall off cliff in a year or two. Yankees don’t have championship starting pitching. Rays never go for the gusto. The east is not impossible. It is only super tough compared to AL central. It is weaker than all others.
Bruin1012
Your wrong about Boston falling off a cliff to many resources for that to happen but you can dream.
Ejemp2006
Sale becoming injury prone. Eovaldi contract bad. Bullpen bad. Betts is going to ask for Bryce Harper money. Not making playoffs this year. Trending wrong direction even though they play Orioles and Jays a lot.
bluejaysfan
I agree. The Yankees and Red Sox have too many resources to fall off a cliff. Having said that I think the Jays can compete with both of those teams in the future if they can acquire some starting pitching to go along with some of their new young core. The AL east is still one of the strongest divisions in baseball and it doesn’t look like that will change anytime soon.
Bruin1012
Falling off a cliff implies years of poor performance not going to happen and I’m guessing they make the playoffs this year.
rocky7
You can also dream about the AL East only being super tough compared to the AL Central….one of the toughest if not the in all of baseball….try watching some of the Al Easts teams vs. each other before commenting.
Dk trucking
The Red Sox are very close to the ceiling on taxes and there farm system is pretty much dry ,plus the good young players you have are going to want major money coming up! So ya they will be going down in the standings
jbigz12
Boston can absolutely fall off. Whether you want to hear it or not. They obviously have tremendous resources but they already have significant salaries on the books for the next couple years. Eovaldi’s deal already looks bad. Sale has 125 MM owed to him. Price still has a good deal of cash owed. JDM is on the books. We’ll see how those go. Betts is going to want 250-300 million or he’s walking. They have no one to internally replace him. And in case you haven’t noticed we aren’t in a league where you can buy your way to a championship in free agency.
The best prospect in their system was Michael Chavis. After a hot start you’ve seen him fizzle and he’s probably more of an average regular than anything moving forward. Boston could definitely fade in the next few years. Not having a farm to replenish the lost ML talent will absolutely catch up to them. They’re fortunate enough to be able to spend 220 million bucks a year but the piper will come calling. They won’t have to hit rock bottom like the O’s because of their resources but you have to pay up eventually. Dombrowski’s roster building style inevitably involves a reset.
LostYankeeinexile
I can see this happening… Jays are building a strong core with Vlad Jr and Bichette Jr coming up… Boston’s farm is in shambles … Yankees system will be lessened looking for an Ace … Tampa is pesky with some good young players but not insurmountable… Orioles are well … we all know what they are. I can see the Jays making a solid WC run and if they lock in some pen and starter security being competitive
baseball10183768
Bring him to Miami!
Polish Hammer
To play for a AAAA organization?
Johnnymarty95
Kind of a strange move
Marlins should be stockpiling the farm system instead
dougsolo1
Really? “A deal doesn’t look particularly likely to come together”? Based on what? What should the Yanks be doing to make it appear more likely? Should Brian Cashman publicly declare his love for Stroman and say he will trade his best prospects for him? Gosh!
baseball10183768
Stroman, Guerrero, and Bichette to the Rays for Adames and Duffy
Strike Four
why waste energy typing that
baseball10183768
Why waste energy replying?
Padres2019ha
Touché
Strike Four
If Oakland got Thor and Stroman to replace Mengden and Bailey they would win the world series.
laswagn
that would decimate their farm system and I don’t even think they have enough to get that done
astrosfan4life
And they still wouldn’t win their division, much less the World Series.
PopeMarley
I doubt they would even signing Carlton and Seaver. Pretty funny stuff though.
its_happening
What?
Ejemp2006
Corky Life Goes On
jdgoat
If they do end up holding onto him, they better be able to extend him and be in on Rendon or Gregorius in FA. Cant be half in half out.
Dexxter
Rendon and Gregorious? And move Vlad Jr and Bichette to 1b and 2b already?
Probably should find some pitchers first… shouldn’t we?
stormie
One or the other. Rendon makes more sense, Vlad moves over to 1st. Not a bad idea. They’ll have a cheap team for a few years, they can afford to re-up Stroman and sign one or two big free agents to push them into contention again soon.er than later.
its_happening
Interesting suggestion. Not a bad one either.
bluejaysfan
I would be in on Rendon in a heartbeat. I like Didi but I’d give Bichette a shot first. Too many people write off players too early in regards to where they can play. There was talk Gregorious may have to move off short when he was coming up and many others I sure. I’m not saying I know Bichette is going to be able to stick at short or have to move to another position but I’d give him a shot based on his play in the minors. I think Vlad will need to move to first eventually and if they could nab Rendon to play 3B and hit behind Vlad then sign me up!!!!
steelerbravenation
Nobody I can remember ever said DiDi would ever have to move off short
The guy played SS over Simmons in youth tourneys in curaçao
coldbeer
Jays are not signing Rendon nor Didi in FA. They are not even close to competing. They need pitching. They may have a core to build around with Vlad, Bo, Biggio, Gurriel Jr, Jansen but it’s nowhere near contending level nor is it proven.
jdgoat
Just do what the Padres did. They’ll still be around when the kids are competing.
its_happening
Didi at SS moves Bichette to 2B and allows Biggio to play OF, 3B or 1B. Add Vlad and Tellez. Maybe they should extend Stroman.
stormie
If they keep Stroman (and Sanchez to a lesser extent, although I doubt he gets extended), have Pearson up by next year, Pardinho not far behind, and ideally they nab another elite pitching prospect for Giles, the rotation looks fine. Lots of other intriguing arms in the system that could also fill out the rotation or be used to patch other holes.
13Morgs13
So basically July 31 deadline talk for, teams need to up those offers for him.
TennVol
Personally, I would love for Stroman to be extended. He is a Gold Glover at that position, has a 5 pitch mix and attacks hitters differently than they are used to, loves the team and the city and is loved by his teammates. In a couple of years when they are nearing contention, he is the type of player they will want on their staff. Offer him 5/75 with 2 options at 12.5M each and its a potential 7/100 deal. Deal would start next season and bypass his last year of arbitration and see if he is interested.
rick68
gonna cost 20mm per to lock him up, you see some of the chumps getting 10-15mm last of season.
Dexxter
Agreed.
He’s probably getting a raise to $12mill or so in arbitration next year. Factor that in plus $20million annually for 5 years. That’s 6/$112million?
Front load it a bit to save some cash when the other young guys start going through arb. Add a $15 mill option year.
That’s say 6/$102 with a $4 mill buyout on the option. $20mill for 3 years. $15m for 2 years. $12M for the last 1.
That’s cheaper than Corbin signed for last year. Similar AAV to Eovaldi but longer term.
If he really wants to stay in Toronto (which I believe he does) that’s a pretty fair deal.
Would love to have him extended. We’re going to be looking for pitchers just like him in two years anyway.
bluejaysfan
That’s a pretty nice breakdown. Well done
laswagn
I like him with the Padres, but not sure he is a superstar Ace.
Polish Hammer
Well most are sure he’s not “a superstar Ace”…
Taejonguy
if he played in a major American market and actually was on the Game of the Week occasionally, your opinion would be different. When he is healthy he is an ace…
terry g
I could easily see them not trading him.
mj-2
Get it done AA
Giles too
braves25
I’m really beginning to lean this way too…Bauer and Bum are both likely off the table.
Start with Wright, and add in a few more…just hang on to Pache, Anderson, and Waters.
Maybe trade Duvall the Giants for a relief pitcher as well. Both teams adding that way.
RunDMC
Sure…you’re getting one of SF’s prized relief pitchers for Duvall. They don’t care that much about the Sacramento River Cats.
snotrocket
A 30 year old who can’t crack your ML roster isn’t bringing back anything of value. Maybe throw in a legit pitching prospect and a conversation can be had.
its_happening
Trade Stroman for potential. Sign Stroman with a backup plan to find pitching depth. Dilemma.
whyhayzee
The yankees didn’t want to be happless so they splurged on the initials last year. Now they want a stroman so they can follow the yellow brick road.
The sum of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles triangle…
Dexxter
I would love a Stroman extension. Toronto has to overpay for FAs typically. If you can get a guy who wants to be here at a position of need locked up… I’m all for it.
And personally I like his “attitude” that people keep talking negatively about. Love the passion and drive to be the best.
Big Nate Pearson pitching well in AA too. 5.2IP 8k, 1BB, 0H last time out. Hit 101MPH and sat 97-98mph. He and Stroman could be a formidable top 2 in 2021 and beyond.
coldbeer
Pearson has ace potential written all over him. Stro is ideally a 3rd guy in the rotation.
its_happening
Nate Pearson has yet to throw more than 85 pitches. Blue Jays are coddling him. He also needs a third pitch. So far he is getting by on great talent. Blue Jays also need another arm to compliment Pearson and Stroman. Nate’s development hinges on the ability to go deep in games and the organization won’t allow it. That is a problem.
coldbeer
Nate has stuff. THE stuff they talk about. He’s young and was hurt so take it easy on the slower development path. Maybe they should rush him up to 100 pitches a night and ruin his career??!! Nahhh
its_happening
Who said anything about throwing 100 pitches a night? Is it too much to ask for Pearson to be build up to pitch into the 7th inning? He’s thrown into the 6th once. That was his last start. He has yet to throw more than 85 pitches. Is it too much to ask to throw 88 pitches? Maybe 90 just once?
Do you watch baseball coldbeer? The coddling of pitchers has been ongoing for over a decade. That has not stopped the injuries. I’d say there has been more injuries since teams have capped innings on prospects. Your way may be causing more harm down the road. Why? Because the Blue Jays refuse to build up Pearson.
Dexxter
They are building him up… it’s just slower than your typical AA pitcher.
Remember he missed basically all of last year after getting hit with a line drive.
Into the 6th this start. Hopefully into the 7th before the season ends. For a pitcher who you’re not hoping to be an impactful part of your roster until 2021 I think that’s fine.
uncle mike
The Cardinals could use both Stroman and Giles!! They have the money and players to pull off the deal. However, the Cardinals President of Baseball operations, John Mozeliak, never acquired impact players in July. Mozeliak’s choice in July is just Low Hanging Fruit to avoid the fans saying he didn’t do anything!!! He already has the Cardinals up to their neck in dead money contracts Mozeliak has acquired during his Low Hanging Fruit player acquisitions.
Johnnymarty95
I could see Stroman going to the Padres
Blue Jays can get a good return but since he’ll only be under control until next season, I could see either the Yankees or Astros making a move to acquire him
coldbeer
Stroman is reliable and effective starter, but he has had some health issues as well as off field social media outbursts that did not reflect well on the organization. I think other GMs are holding out knowing that this is their best chance to get two postseason runs for cheaper than the proper acquisition cost that usually goes with this scenario. I highly doubt he will be extended and any discussion otherwise is simply a red herring. Hes gone in a week. I think the Cards will be the sneaky team to grab him and maybe Giles also…
…just like I said 4 months ago.
its_happening
Cards farm system is not that strong. You said the Blue Jays need pitching. Now you are predicting the Cardinals sneaking in? That is a loss for the Jays if your scenario comes to fruition.
coldbeer
I’m almost sure the Jays would take Reyes in a trade…
its_happening
Reyes and…..
Are you sure you are a Blue Jays fan? You seem to want to see them suffer.
jorge78
So I guess ain’t nobody trading nobody!
Hee Hee Hee…..
64' Yanks
The Yankees are going cheap…they rather run a high priced sports car on FIVE BALD tires!
(Happ, Paxton, Tanaka, German, and Sabatha)
coldbeer
I think Cashman would rather get Thor over Stroman if he’s going to give up his top farm assets. His availability has thrown a twist into this deadline…
fitsiqis65
careful now Jim. Many many many folks here think the Yanks are just fine with these 5 because cash definitely knows how to assemble starting pitching and has an awesome track record of:
1.. signing the right ones like CC and Happ
2. letting the bad ones sign elsewhere like scherzer, corbin and morton
3. trading for cost controllable ones with talent and ability to handle NY like Grey, vazquez and and so far this year Pax (hopefully he pulls out of it though)
4. developing top tier SP like phil hughes, joba, kenney, brackman, banuleos, betances (great reliever though), bryan mitchell, ty hensley, etc….
steelerbravenation
Stroman & Giles to Braves for Wright, Wilson, Parsons & Dean ????
Who says no ???
coldbeer
Braves.
Jays would be all over that I think…
Dexxter
I think they’re counting on something like Wright plus for Stroman… and probably something like Wilson plus for Giles.
It might be fair value… and ultimately might end up taking something like that… but doubt they’d jump at it right now.
jimmertee
I don’t want to agree with Coldbeer, but St Louis is kicking the tires hard on Stroman. The have the quality young arms to do the deal too.
coldbeer
Send Reyes and Gyorko contract for Stro and the deal is done.
its_happening
Awful trade idea. May as well call Atlanta for Inciarte or Gausman.
fitsiqis65
Let’s analyse this predicament.
The Yankees rotation was assembled with 2 old farts, one broken down former ace with a growing era of 4.5 and the other a one year wonder signed at age 36 to a 3 year 17 mil deal with an era north of 5.2.
Two others are consistently are the IL for parts of seasons. one with an ERA of 4.2 and the other at 4.8
The 5th starter is a 27 year old feel good story of a kid who’s got an inning pitched ceiling and who’s ERA is now also above 4. Granted this kid replaced another kid who has pitched well in majors for exactly 4 months in the better part of nearly 3 seasons and had an era over 5 last year once July rolled in.
who is responsible for assembling the pitching staff?
its_happening
You didn’t get the memo? The Yankees are too good and don’t need good starting pitching. It has worked well for them in recent years with all the World Championships they have won.
Wait, they didn’t win it last year?
Or the year before that?
What happens when Houston and Minnesota go to a 4-man staff? Or a 3-man rotation in October? Wouldn’t the scales tilt in their favor? What if the Yankees are the #3 seed and do not have home field advantage? Didn’t that hurt them the last two years?
The Yankees will have to hit and have a dominant bullpen to win the World Series. Call it the “long way home”, but it can be done.
fitsiqis65
i guess not- I have many posters here telling me what a great job the director of the talent is for the team. they are fine with winning a minimum of 51% of the games and just making the playoffs (cause its real tough in baseball these days to do that when you have the resources the Yankees have). They also tell me there is no pattern of terrible pitching decisions/acquisitions/development.
Apparently my expectations are just too high….
and yes you have clearly articulated the genius’ plan….hit 6 homers a game and have ottavino, britton and chap pitched 6 innings per.
its_happening
It is hard to focus on the long term when you are successful in the short term. That’s Yankees fan in a nutshell.
Louiebeans
I said before the season even started. Yankees go out and use the FA market for SP to put this team over the edge.
I cannot tell you how many Yankee fans thought I was nuts. They even told me the SP is fine.
its_happening
The last two nights against Boston not inspire you?
JoeBrady
” Andy Martino of SNY.tv tweets that the Blue Jays have informed teams they may extend the 28-year-old instead of moving him.
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Why would they inform teams of this decision? If they could extend Stroman, they would simply call up his agent. Further, if that was there intent, they would hold a press conference and announce it to the world.
FWIW, BVW just tried the same propaganda with Wheeler. No one believes either GM.
Foreveryankees
Stay clear! We already have a bum from Toronto!!
fitsiqis65
happless?
its_happening
Yes. Tanyon Sturtze retired.