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Mariners Rumors: Gordon, Mallex, Santana, Pitching

By Connor Byrne | October 3, 2019 at 1:22am CDT

The Mariners were among the majors’ most active teams last offseason as general manager Jerry Dipoto began executing a plan to “re-imagine” his roster. With the club now on the heels of a 68-win season, Dipoto has indicated it’s in for a much more modest winter this time around. However, that doesn’t mean the trade-happy Dipoto won’t consider parting with a couple of veterans still on the roster, as Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times writes.

Last winter was absolutely packed with trades for Dipoto, who shipped out Robinson Cano, Edwin Diaz, James Paxton, Jean Segura and Mike Zunino, among others. He has since parted with other established veterans in Edwin Encarnacion and Jay Bruce, who each joined the Mariners amid their blockbuster-filled offseason a year ago.

All of Dipoto’s wheeling and dealing has left the Mariners with just three players (second baseman Dee Gordon, third baseman Kyle Seager and left-hander Yusei Kikuchi) on guaranteed contracts. But Gordon is the only member of the trio who looks like a real trade candidate, Divish observes. Seager did enjoy a bounce-back campaign after a rough 2018, though he’s also a soon-to-be 32-year-old who’s owed $37MM over the next two seasons. Worse, his contract includes a clause that could make a trade an impossibility. As Divish covered last December, Seager’s $15MM club option for 2022 will become a player option if the Mariners deal him. In all likelihood, he’d exercise that option.

Like Seager, Kikuchi’s not going anywhere, having joined the M’s as their prized, big-money free-agent signing just last winter. Kikuchi went through a rough rookie season in 2019, but Seattle continues to regard him as a key long-term piece.

Gordon, meanwhile, looks superfluous to the club’s cause. Moving him would open up everyday second base duty for Shed Long, who was a bright spot for the Mariners in his first taste of the majors this year. The problem is that Gordon is still owed a guaranteed $14.5MM (including a $1MM buyout for 2021), which is an unpalatable amount when considering the 31-year-old’s recent output. The light-hitting Gordon has been a replacement-level player in each of the past two seasons, according to WAR. So, it’s probable that finding a taker for Gordon would require the Mariners to eat a portion of his contract. They’d “likely” pay half of his remaining money, per Divish, though it’s unclear whether that would be enough on their end. After all, there are several similarly or more productive veteran second basemen slated to reach free agency next month, and none of them should require sizable commitments.

Along with Gordon, outfielders Domingo Santana and Mallex Smith represent other potential trade candidates for Seattle, according to Divish. Dipoto acquired those two last winter, hoping they’d emerge as long-term building blocks, but both players disappointed this year. Thanks in part to elbow problems, Santana’s offensive production fell off a cliff as the season progressed. He also ranked as one of the majors’ worst outfielders, finishing with minus-17 Defensive Runs Saved and a minus-16.1 Ultimate Zone Rating (minus-16.1). Smith looked like a breakout center fielder for the Rays in 2018, but despite his 46 stolen bases this year, he only rated as a replacement-level producer.

The Mariners would be selling low on Santana’s last two years of arbitration eligibility and Smith’s three, but it’s possible they already have replacements on hand. Mitch Haniger and Kyle Lewis figure to be their main corner outfielders for next season. Smith could still occupy center if he’s still on the team, though Braden Bishop, Jake Fraley and an outside pickup may all be in the mix for that spot, Divish relays. They’ll line up behind an infield consisting of Seager at third, J.P. Crawford at short, Gordon or Long at second and Austin Nola at first. The 29-year-old Nola didn’t make his major league debut until mid-June, but it appears he’ll stick around after hitting .269/.342/.454 with 10 home runs 1.5 fWAR in his first 267 trips to the plate in the bigs. He could hold down first until the promotion of prospect Evan White, which Divish suggests is sure to happen by midseason at the latest. Elsewhere on offense, Daniel Vogelbach is in line to reprise his DH role, Dylan Moore is the front-runner for a utility job and the productive Omar Narvaez and Tom Murphy are due to return behind the plate.

As for areas the Mariners actually could look to add to this winter, Dipoto cited pitching – both starters and relievers – as a need. It’s unclear just how much the Mariners will be willing to spend on a starter(s) to slot in with Kikuchi, Marco Gonzalez, Justus Sheffield and possibly Justin Dunn, though it seems doubtful they’ll be spending near the top of the market. In the case of the bullpen, Dipoto said the Mariners will be seeking “opportunity buys.” Dipoto took the same route last offseason when he signed Hunter Strickland, Cory Gearrin, Zac Rosscup and R.J. Alaniz to cheap contracts.

Odds are the Mariners won’t do anything this offseason that could realistically vault them into contention by 2020. With that in mind, chances are high they’ll increase their playoff drought to 19 years next season. However, thanks to the young talent the Mariners have collected (much of which joined the organization last winter), Dipoto believes they’re on the right track.

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38 Comments

  1. xpensivewinos

    6 years ago

    Mallex Smith is mind-numbingly awful.. He has ZERO baseball acumen.

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    • lowtalker1

      6 years ago

      His hedges ally oop homerun was pretty nice. Both players went through the padres system.
      I actually think he does better under the rays guidance.

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      • ckln88

        6 years ago

        Everyone does better under the Rays guidance. You can’t give me one club that’s even relatively close at developing young talent. I swear if we ever trade with the Rays again….well, we’ll lose.

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  2. Padres458

    6 years ago

    Hanigar for Ty france, Eric Lauer, Luis Torrens, Adrian Morejon, Reggie Lawson.

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    • terry g

      6 years ago

      I don’t think that the Mariners would do that.

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      • lowtalker1

        6 years ago

        I don’t think the padres would do that. Morejon was prellers prized piece of the 2016 international draft.

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      6 years ago

      So you think you will get Haniger by offering Morejon, a legitemately good piece but not good enough to headline a package, Laweson, one of your bottom third system prospects and a handful of spare parts.

      Look.. if you see a player you would like to see in your teams uniform then that means the player is probably pretty desirable so use this rule of thumb; if you aren’t offering a package that hurts your feelings at least a little than it probably isnt enough.

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      • youngTank15

        6 years ago

        Why do people keep saying “package”, there not objects.

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        • myaccount

          6 years ago

          Young tank— What is your suggestion then, a “group?” That sounds horrifically stupid.

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        • vtadave

          6 years ago

          * they’re

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        • gavinrendar

          6 years ago

          That’s a joke right?

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      • lowtalker1

        6 years ago

        In reality the padres system is so deep. He might show up in their top 30 but as a padres fan I stay no deal.

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    • compassrose

      6 years ago

      Haniger will be traded which I was against until watching how well the young players have done. To get Haniger we will get a blocked and ready 3rd bm or a near ready one. We should also be looking for a DH. Fat Danny is horrible. Going to the All Star game was a joke. He swings like a fat out of shape beer league softball player. Besides pitching those are the two biggest needs. Not really sure who has a blocked 3rd bm. That I believe is what we will be looking for.

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      • ckln88

        6 years ago

        You’re not big on analytics or basic stats are you? With “fat Danny’s” OBP, especially coupled with how much he raked up until the all star game, not to mention it was his first full pro season, give it some time. Also; to think that they would trade haniger right now, you’re silly. He has the lowest trade value he’s had in a while. No way they lose him for nothing.

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  3. jsay2948

    6 years ago

    I am not a Mariners fan, but jeez I would like to see them make the playoffs. They’ve had some pretty decent teams who just can’t get over the hump. Hopefully Dipoto hits on some of these young players and brings playoff baseball back to Seattle.

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    • Bocephus

      6 years ago

      Why would a fan of any team care about the playoff fortunes of another team?

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      • ellisburks

        6 years ago

        Maybe because he is a baseball fan?

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        • Bocephus

          6 years ago

          So you wish your teams rival well?

          Reply
        • Wilford Brimley

          6 years ago

          Firm yes. There’s nothing worse than one team being 10 or 20 games ahead in the division, especially with the unbalanced schedule where you know you’re facing crappy teams.

          There’s nothing BETTER than a tight, 3-way race going down to the end of the season. It’s no fun beating up on your team’s rival when they’re decimated with injures; I want to beat them at full force.

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        • myaccount

          6 years ago

          Bocephus— If I were a fan of the Braves and wish to see the Mariners make the playoffs, why do you care? Ten teams have to make the playoffs and it would be better than seeing the Astros make it again

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        • Dag Gummit

          6 years ago

          Well… Who considers the divisional whipping boy a “rival”?

          From my perspective, at least, 100-win teams and fans thereof generally don’t consider 100-loss teams rivals.

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      • DockEllisDee

        6 years ago

        I care and I’m a Reds fan, more importantly a baseball fan. I just think it’s good to see some parity, and it’s easy to root for a tortured fanbase, like when KC went on their run a few years ago. Just not the Cubs, never the Cubs and their stupid campy song. lol jk nothing but love

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      • jdgoat

        6 years ago

        I’m cheering for the Twins this year. I’m not a Twins fan. Care about that.

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  4. impapad17

    6 years ago

    I hear Felix Hernandez is available at a very reasonable price.

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    • Eightball611

      6 years ago

      He’s a free agent

      Reply
  5. ifonlydetroitcoulddraft

    6 years ago

    Seattle should bring Matt Boyd home. Tigers could use White

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    • BuddyBoy

      6 years ago

      No way they’d trade White for Boyd

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  6. houkenflouken

    6 years ago

    Hopefully the M’s can grab a #4 starter and maybe a bullpen guy. We have like 5 interesting bullpen prospects who finished in AA this year so bullpen is less of a priority especially for this upcoming rebuild year.

    I feel like Domingo would be nice to trade if we could get something decent, but I would like to hold onto mallex for at least the first half of this year.

    The only position player I could see signing in FA would be a 1b but that’s also pretty unlikely. Just gotta let these kids play

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    • ayrbhoy

      6 years ago

      You’re right about the minor league RPs- if you compare the BP at the start of this year (on paper) we should have a better BP to start next season. I’m excited to see Mills, Gerber, Warren and Delaplane fight for a roster spot. I’m also curious to see who will be the closer in the 2nd half of 2020. If healthy Warren could assume that role- he certainly has the stuff as well as closing experience.

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    • wayneroo

      6 years ago

      They won’t sign a first baseman, not with White coming up perhaps this year. Nola will mostly be there until then most likely, amongst others.

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  7. steelerbravenation

    6 years ago

    I wonder what the over/under is on the amount of trades DiPoto will make this offseason
    William Hill, DraftKings or Fanduel will have it up after the WS

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  8. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    Smith needs to go back to Tampa, not that they need him at all… simple they were able to figure something out with him

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  9. julyn82001

    6 years ago

    The King is needed back…

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  10. bigdaddyhacks

    6 years ago

    I’d be interested in Felix on a league min deal as a reliever. This issues is Felix god bless him wants to be a starter.

    I think if he can get a Mets type deal(read moron gm) for Haniger I think he’s gone for sure. The writing is on the wall with the 439 OF prospects we currently have. I love the the kid but he’s the wrong side of 27 and will only decline. But he’s a heart of gold type guy that will be hard to see go.

    Haniger to the braves or Rockies is my guess.

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    • ayrbhoy

      6 years ago

      There’s zero guarantee that any of those “439 OF prospects” will be above replacement players at the ML level. Even Kelenic and Julio Rodriguez. Small sample size but look at how Fraley was at the plate vs big league pitching- looked lost. Kyle Lewis had a dream start to his big league career but he certainly didn’t look like a world beater in his final two series. At least we know Haniger can succeed at the big league level. We’d be foolish to let him go

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  11. GarryHarris

    6 years ago

    I think Kyle Seager would be perfect for ATL. He’s still pretty good both offensively and defensively.
    Although it would never happen, I also think Dee Gordon would be a good fit the next two years either in NYM, PHI, CHC or in CIN. He’s still a good defensive CF and IF and still a threat on the bases. Except the first month, nothing went right in SEA. I think Gordon will have a comeback year

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    • BuddyBoy

      6 years ago

      Dee is horrible in the outfield and only has one year left unless you’re going to grossly overpay him instead of buying out the second year

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  12. have you seen my baseball

    6 years ago

    Don’t see a real reason to trade Seager unless it’s just about dumping his salary. There’s no clear cut prospect he’s blocking and from all reports he’s been a good mentor to the younger players.

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