Oct. 28: The Padres have announced the signing of Tingler to a three-year contract.
“Jayce has extensive experience in virtually every aspect of coaching, player development and baseball operations, and our entire group believes that he’s the right person to lead our talented roster,” general manager A.J. Preller said within today’s press release. “His multi-faceted skill set, combined with his ability to develop talent and help players reach their potential at the Major League level, were key factors in his selection as our manager. We are excited for Jayce to build upon the foundation we’ve laid in San Diego as we set our sights on October baseball.”
Oct. 24: The Padres are set to hire Jayce Tingler away from the Rangers as their new manager, Jeff Passan of ESPN reports (via Twitter). Tingler, 38, is currently the Major League Player Development Field Coordinator on skipper Chris Woodward’s staff.
By all indications, this hiring promises to be a pivotal one. The Padres are, after all, an organization wrapping up a decade largely spent in rebuild, with the recent front office regime led by general manager A.J. Preller struggling to field a competitive roster despite several big-money roster reinforcements and a farm system generally regarded as one of the game’s best.
Andy Green was tabbed as Preller’s choice for the managerial seat in 2016 following Bud Black’s dismissal midway through an ill-fated 2015 campaign, but Green’s tenure in San Diego produced just a 274-366 record. Recent indications had pointed toward Ron Washington and Tingler — two former Preller associates from his time with the Rangers — being the final two candidates, but it appears that the Padres will go with the younger of those two options.
Indeed, the 38-year-old Tingler becomes the second-youngest manager in the majors, behind only Rocco Baldelli of the Twins. Baldelli’s early success in the managerial seat — as well as the success experienced by young managers like Alex Cora and AJ Hinch — demonstrates that a grey beard is hardly a job requirement when it comes to major league managing, but that certainly doesn’t mean Tingler is a conventional candidate. Tingler is neither a garlanded former big leaguer nor an up-the-ranks minor league manager, but a little-known former minor leaguer with a wide range of on-field and front office experience.
Tingler spent time as a skipper at the Rookie and Dominican Summer League levels before being named as Texas’ minor league field coordinator from 2012-14. He served as a coach on the staff of Jeff Banister in 2015 and 2016 before entering the front office as an assistant GM in 2017. Tingler served as bench coach for interim manager Don Wakamatsu at the end of 2018 and interviewed to be Rangers manager that offseason (he was ultimately passed over in favor of the aforementioned Woodward). More recently, Tingler has been serving as manager of the Leones del Escogido of the Dominican Winter League.
The Padres went 70-92 in their final season under Green’s command in 2019, following an offseason that saw them add third baseman Manny Machado on a club-record 10-year, $300MM deal. As Passan notes in a follow-up tweet, Tingler’s bilingual skills likely were an asset for him throughout the hiring process, as the club has several near- and long-term players for whom Spanish is a first language (link). Adrian Morejon, Michel Baez, Luis Urias, Fernando Tatis Jr., Manuel Margot, Dinelson Lamet, Francisco Mejia, and Luis Patino represent just a small sampling of the numerous young players in the Padres organization hailing from the Carribean, South America or Mexico, as Preller’s Latin American scouting emphasis continues to have a surface-level impact on the San Diego pipeline.
Did Brew crew call this one too?!?
He is in the middle of a heated Chutes & Ladder tourney right now. Didnt have time to call it for us.
To be fair, that sounds like a really good time.
Lol waiting to hear
I scrolled through all 253 comments and he has yet to call it… should be any minute now.
aaaamy minute
Honestly thought they’d hire Showalter
They never even interviewed him
Hiring someone they never interviewed would be a Padres move.
Which proves the lie of wanting “experience.” Preller is in over his head, but he’s too arrogant to realize it.
Honestly, I thought they’d hire Brad Ausmus.
We are all Rob Drake.
Stay strong brother.
Hope he gets fired and nobody hires the moron.
Why? Now in California the police wont do anything if less than 750 dollars in property is stolen?
The world has gone crazy. I don’t blame anyone for wanting to own a gun.. And the last I heard, semi automatic guns were not illegal.
It’s illegal to,call for a revolution just because your crooked hero is going down like a Led Zeppelin and Trump a dump is going down. Better read up on the constitution not that any of you even know how to read.
Juris – you took an old tweet from an umpire to go full meltdown? Calm down kid.
Is that what you got from that? If that is how are political system works, we should all be very afraid. Owning a gun is one of the tenants of our Constitution.
I wish everyone, including umpires would keep politics out of sports, But this is not a fireable offense,.
“Calm down kid.”
Would you stop it already. Seriously, does it make you feel better about yourself? Can you just have dialog with a person without the snipes.
Ironically, It’s the people who snipe are the ones acting like children.,
Maybe you shouldn’t own a gun. Clearly you are triggered. And a massive hypocrite.
Didn’t you stalk me for a second time over AAV? Sorry to do this, but you might want to stop, kid.
Is THAT what you got from this? Maybe you should stop framing the issue to be about gun ownership and more about starting a “CIVAL WAR” if the House of Reps concludes that the President broke the law enough to be impeached.
That’s like someone tweeting “if immigration policy isn’t further restricted Imma get a doberman and train it to attack all brown people” and you defending the right to own a dog. That’s not the problem with the tweet, my dude.
I don’t want to get political, but the house has tried to Impeach this President before he even took office. They voted three times and they are 0-3. Now they are doing it behind closed doors and I highly doubt the framers of the Constitution had this in mind.
There is a Civil War in this country. And the police are providing less and less protection.
And I don’t think this is like the doberman comment at all. But My African-American neighbor has a doberman, I imagine he has one to protect his house, not to bite white people.
By the way, I did get that from his comments.
This govement has gone nuts and I’m going to buy something to protect myself. What you got is the goverment is going nuts and I’m going to form a militia to overthrow them.
I’m not afraid of the “right”, I’m afraid of the “left”. And you are likely not afraid of the left, you’re afraid of the right.
Shut up.
The guy who screams California wants to talk about weak comebacks. Just go choke on some vomit.
The left and right hate each other. They have no common ground. They can’t agree on anything substantial. Gun control, abortion, how many genders there are, when to go to war, system of government, economic system, etc. There will either be a civil war or the Union will fracture. There is no other path for this country. It is good to talk about it. Because maybe there can be a peaceful split. But I doubt it.
Not true, the traditional left and right agree on a lot of things, they just disagree on how to do it. The modern. Far left that has taken over the Democratic party, media and education is communist, hates America, and wants the vast majority of us divided. Hearing a lefty tell someone on the right to read the constitution is hilarious, because to be on the right is to believe stringently in the constitution. The further left you go, the further away from the constitution you get. That’s the litteral definition of right and left.
You people are on the WRONG THREAD.
THIS IS BASEBALL MLB THREAD.
LEAVE YOUR POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS ON POLITICAL THREADS
Not true. The right don’t respect the 4th amendment. They support mass surveillance.
Speak for yourself. Was he up for the Padres’ job too? He’s definitely not an unbiased umpire, so he probably should work for a team after he gets some counseling.
kys
Idiot
KAG
2020
Or, or, stay with me here, he’s probably a really violent person. Thanks. Now back to your nonsense.
A hateful, fearful moron? No. We are not all Rob Drake. You may be, but most of us are not.
Seriously though who? I thought they wanted a veteran manager?
Preller wanted another puppet that he could manipulate. He should be the next one on the unemployment line.
Tingle berries
Finally, someone is talking sense on this thread. Thank you!
That’s kind of disappointing, but I’ll give him a fair shot.
Agreed.
I think his fluency in Spanish was the deciding factor. That and his ties to. The Rangers. Preller didn’t really consider anyone he hadn’t worked with previously.
Well, I suppose failing in English AND Spanish is something of a plus…
I thought the Padres were going to sign Maddon?
That’s probably not fair. Only a few Padres fans opined that the Angels suck and Maddon was going to sign with the Padres.
They were few, but were very very loud.
The angels do suck and will still finish in third place next season
I could’ve sworn you were talking about the Padres, but then you said third instead of fourth or fifth.
lowtalkers
If you know who their team will be or how healthy they will be, that’s great. Otherwise I don’t know how you can make a prediction how good or bad they’ll be.
Astros and As
Enough said. You’re Delusional if you think maddon can fix that train wreck.
Did I talk about Maddon regarding the future of this team? I talked about health and who they might acquire.
I’m also not sure how you can compare the Astros to the As. You’re delusional if you think the two teams are similar.
As far as the As. I’m not sure what makes them invincible. The last two years they have found pitching from pitchers with no track record of success. Maybe they’ll do that again this year. The only SP they had under 30 was the SP who got suspended for PEDs.
The A’s as of today are head and shoulders above the Angels. It’s not even close. You’re making a stupid argument
Angels won’t make the playoffs until after Mike Trout retires. Book it.
Whats crazier is thinking padres would compete with dodgers, diamondbacks and giants whos payrolls are nearly double the padres. Angels have shown the ability to spend. They had the fewest quality starts in majors over the last 2/3 years. If they can and will sign atleast 2 great arms they will compete.
Maybe they are and maybe they aren’t.
For the As
2015 68 wins.
2016 69 wins
2017 75 wins.
They back to back years they find pitching out of nowhere. Their closer was a 30 year old journeyman Who all of a sudden became lights out.
You’re more high on the As than I am.
I love the hate the angels receive for simply have great players like trout and ohtani. I also cant wait till they turn it around and shut you guys up and they aren’t even my team hahahaha
@showmeyourtatis whats even funnier is padres still wont be in contention either
@imindless Padres will make the playoffs before the Angels do. I sure hope Mike Trout enjoys playing in the postseason once in his entire career.
I’d love to book it. Does Vegas have odds? That’s easy money.
In what world does AZ have a payroll double that of San Diego?
lmindless,
This new owner has shown a willingness to spend a lot more money. I don’t know if it’s enough to compete with the Dodgers, DBacks and Giants over time.
But you’re spot on with the key to the Padres competing. They need 2-3 strong starters and a strong bullpen. They have some highly touted starters in the minors, but we’ll see what they can do in the majors. Some good starters would help the bullpen a lot.
What’s crazy is the Dodger fans thinking they’re ever again going to win a WS or watch their Bridegrooms on local television. Their grandpa’s and great-great grandpa’s aren’t on the roster anymore so that’s a “no” on a WS title.
@padresshave Whats funnier is during your entire life span you will still be talking about would be prospects after seeing your team fall out of contention in may yearly.
Padres are one of the worst run orgs in the league and if you don’t think so go look at there record since coming into the league. Outside of the 70’s and a brief stint in the 90’s nothing points to them being relevant in the future. Outside of tatis this org has produced some of the worst players ever seen. No amount of money can help ineptitude.
The attitude most have towards others teams is astounding like we get your team is really bad but why spread hate towards others?
80s not 70s moron.
Aren’t you the same jerk who kept posting “Bochy is retired!” ? And now there’s an article where he’s quoted as saying he’s open to managing next year. You’ve proven your opinion is of no value.
that was showmeyourtatis, I believe. It was as if he just kept cutting and pasting it into every comment. Got old quickly.
lowtalker how could you have the Angels in 3rd place?
Don’t sleep on Texas. Could push the Angels to 4th 🙂
WereAllJustGuestsHere
Not to insult you or jump on you or snipe you, but have you learned how the luxury tax works yet? It’s not based on payroll but the AAV of contracts.
And I don’t have enough information to pick between Texas and Angels. We have a full off-season of moves.
The Astros are easy number one.
The As are number two, they are not locks.
The Ms are last.
But I don’t know what Texas or the Angels will do. Does anyone “know”.?
Not to insult you Mac, but do you always take yourself this serious?
We’ve established AAV, and the Angels won’t get Cole because they can’t backload the contract to field a winning team. Your own argument worked against you. Plus I already admitted my mistake and owned it. Clearly you didn’t accept it. Or read it. Or can read.
Anyway it was actually a small joke that hit you hard. When you grow up to be something, you’ll understand.
I don’t think ad hominem attacks are small jokes. Call me crazy. But regardless.
The Angles will not sign Calhoun, they will not offer every player arbitration. Pujols and Simmons contracts are back loaded, witch gives the Angels about thirteen or fourteen more a year than their payroll suggests..
I’m glad you know how the luxury tax works. Because knowing how it works, I’m not sure how you have established how the Angels can’t afford Cole. And I’m not even one of the people saying they are going to sign Cole.
I think your rational is flawed. I don’t know anyone who shares your position that the Angels can’t afford Cole.
But we can disagree on that.
After holding me accountable twice for the same argument, I’m glad you almost came around to forgiveness. I’m sure that’s hard for you since you want me to call you crazy. And I will. You are.
Call you crazy but you have been on the Cole train for days now. Just because he showed he’s just a man and not a machine this week doesn’t mean you can walk it back. Your money is on the Angels to sign him and you think they can win the WC with Cole and a healthy Othani in the rotation. I’m sure if I cared enough to backtrack your comments I can stalk you the way you did me. I won’t. I promise.
My stance on Cole to Angels is the fact that they sign him and they still fall short of contention. They have massive problems. That we can agree on. You probably won’t. And I could care less.
If you believe I’ve been on the Cole train for days, you should look at the Cole thread. My money is not on the Angels to sign him. Again refer to the Cole thread.
And I certainly don’t have an issue with your belief that the Angels signing Cole will not vault them into contention for the wild card. And of course the Angels are nowhere near as good as the Astros.
As far as stalk? You are a regular poster, I wanted to make sure that you understood the luxury tax and that if we bumped into each other again, we would have a proper dialog. You called me a name and that’s the last I heard from you. Somehow I don’t feel that’s on me.
I don’t want you as an adversary. I don’t want to one up you. Nothing good can come of that.
Opined Lol.
I’m getting a Tingle-y feeling…
That’s the feeling of a NL title in your near future.
I’m all for finding a diamond in the rough, but this isn’t where I thought Fowler would go. Preller is OFFICIALLY on the hot seat. Prediction: Bochy gave his word he’d come to the rescue if this $10,000 claimer horse doesn’t win.
Bochy is retiring. Idiot.
Weren’t you trying to play traffic cop a few weeks back over insults between me and some guy? Did you need to drop idiot? I’m sure 2020 was kidding, Tatis.
Yawn.
Show Me Your Tatis is our village idiot. All apologies from San Diego
@Gwynning Have the Padres traded Wil Myers for Marcus Stroman or Trevor Bauer yet?
At least someone said it, guy posts before he thinks about what he is writing lol same dude said maddon was a lock to padres
@imindless I certainly never said that. If you think I did then drop a link to where.
I find it amazing how often people create strawmen based on something a poster has never written.
In a weird way it’s a compliment. They want to argue with you but they can’t. so the make up a position they can argue against. .
Anyone can beat up on a strawman. It’s not hard.
My favorite straw man is conflating not liking the Galvis trade with “anointing Enyel de los Santos as the next Clayton Kershaw.
Anyway, I can confirm that several of our fans on here did swear up and down that Maddon would come to SD. I can also confirm that I was not one of them.
But the Padres fans who swore up and down that Maddon would choose them over LAA are nowhere near as bad as the ones who swore up and down Bruce Bochy would be the next Padres manager.
We made a trade for Bauer. Of course, it was on behalf of the Reds, but still.
Gwynning said back in July that we should trade Myers for Bauer or Stroman. Because apparently either one is owed a single penny beyond the current season.
@show me your,. Actually bochy has said he’s not managing next season, but 2021 said he may return
Um… @tatis ….
mlbtraderumors.com/2019/10/bruce-bochy-interested-…
Your boorish comments about Trout never being in the playoff again are absurd.
The Angels have ten times better chance of making it in the next 2 years than the Padres do in the next 10 years.. The Padres are like broken compass. The direction of the franchise changes year to year. They have to overpay players to play for them.
You need to check yourself junior. Angels only won 2 games more than the Padres in 2019 and the Padres have way more help coming from the farm. I know you are an Angels fan and therefore biased but if you look at the situation objectively there is just no way the Angels contend in the next 10 years.
Fowler’s leaving soon, so what he says is not important. What matters is what Peter O’Malley’s nephew Peter Seidler is gonna do. All GM’s and managers are easily dispatched. Win or vamoose is a fact of life in MLB.
But.. I thought Bochy was coming out of retirement to manage the Padres like every Padres fan said he would!
Actually, most of us were pretty certain that Bochy wanted to get out of managing for at least a year.
So he’ll be available right when Tingler gets fired.
No, every Padres fan did NOT say that. In fact, I argued with a couple of fellow Padre fans that it was ridiculous to think Boch would be hired. In fact, as long as Preller’s there, Bochy is probably not interested.
Didn’t know this one, gonna have to give this round to BrewCrew.
Tingler is a good dude!
Especially strong with the Latin players.
Will probably need an experienced bench coach but Jayce will be fine.
Wanna bet?
Good dude or a guy with good character doesn’t necessarily mean good major league baseball manager.
I’d almost rather have tough guy with few friends but wins championships.
You sound so GD stupid
You make my point so perfectly clear. You’d rather have a nice guy who’s likeable.
I would have preferred Ron Washington. A proven winner capable of deep playoff runs and has been in a MLB dugout in recent years. This is honestly the first move of Preller’s that i actually dislike immediately, so maybe that means it will be the first one to actually work out well.
Don’t be surprised if they bring Wash on as bench coach
Why would he leave his Atlanta bench coach role for a lateral move?
A promise if it blows up for an inexperienced manager, they allow him to pick up the pieces. He still may be closer to a managing gig than in ATL, but he’d be further from his home for a lateral move (with more $?) on a promise. Not much to go on for Wash who has a good thing going on ATL and is ascending faster than the Priests.
Let’s give this guy a chance many Mgr’s out there with little managing experience and have done well. I hope Loretta is their bench coach however.
either that or his last move as GM, no playoffs in 2020 and don’t let the door hit you in the —- on the way out AJ
Best news I heard all day. We get to keep Washington !!!
Not necessarily. Maybe there’s a chance the Padres could hire Washington to be the bench coach?
How about Mark Loretta as bench coach
I can just see it, two rookie guys looking at each other in the dugout, like, “what just happened and what do we do now?”
Hopefully he continues to stay in Atl!
I would be surprised if he went to San Diego for a lesser position then the one he interviewed for.
Would you take an almost lateral move to a worst team taking you much further from you family for the possibility to manager sooner on that worst team?
@rundmc
Your grammatical and spelling errors aside, it’s not impossible, but unlikely for Wash to come to SD as a bench coach simply because it would almost be a slap in the face to coach under the man who beat him for the job he wanted.
Yes you can have Wash he’s carrying too much baggage, too old and too many bad stories about this guy
@nowheretogobutup
Have you ever heard of recovery and 2nd chances? Apparently the Rangers think highly enough to make him a big part of their ceremony to retire Michael Young’s number. 3 years as being a coach for the Braves and the only news about him has been about how great he is!
His best days are behind him and we all move on
If it wasnt for Josh Hamilton, Wash would be squeaky clean.
Which player do you blame Washington for cheating on his wife? Mike Kekich or Fritz Peterson?
Yes please keep him in Atl
…and he’s a lefty, so it’s got to work out!
We’ve already seen this movie and now we’re going to watch it again. So much for getting someone with experience to handle all the youth. Eye roll.
Hey he can’t be any worse than 92 losses, let’s give the guy a break and see what he can do. AJ is rolling the dice and it better not come up snake eyes.
He can be quite a bit worse than 92 losses. Ask an Orioles or Tigers fan.
Preller is already in his sixth year, and I don’t see him rolling any Yatzees.
Somebody on this board yesterday without mentioning names said he heard it was going to be Mark Loretta, nice try but no cigars. I’d liked to have seen Loretta here maybe now as bench coach.
Don’t shoot the messenger
In any case he can’t be any worse than Green and if he is so long AJ, 2020 they need to make the playoffs, Here’s what AJ needs to accomplish in the next four months:
acquire 2 SP’s, 2 OF’s, a good IF utility guy, at least 1 if not 2 middle relife and we’re in the playoffs,
Seems resonable to expect all that in 1 offseason.
Fire bud black !
Your three years late LOL
Its going to be interesting who Jayce brings in as his coaches, I’d say at least four new coaches (bench, first and third base, hitting coach more than likely) as far as Balsely goes that will be a coin toss whether he stays or goes.
Balsley is going nowhere
Preller isn’t going to let him pick his coaches any more than he’s going to give him control of the lineup and pitching staff.
Idk about that but if they even think about letting Balsley go they better be out the door with him.
This is the type of manager that Manny Machado’s gonna tell him how things are ran
If Manny hits 30 bombs and 100 RBI’s he can tell the Mgr whatever he wants
If lol
The Padres just being the Padres!!! Smh
Tingler? I barely know her.
How do you know it was a girl?
Damn I can’t get one right – had Jody Davis to the cubs, Showalter to phillies, Maddon to padres – last hope is Mets hire Rojas ( which would be a huge win for me since I’ve been saying Rojas since before he got 1st interview lol)
Please consult any and all manager guesses with Crew Brew before posting. No exceptions.
Been a Padres fan all of my life but I’m really tired of them making plainly stupid moves. They have needed a real professional experienced manager since they moronically let Bochy go and they still haven’t done it. You think a 38 year old rookie manager following directly in the footsteps of another young and completely inexperienced manager is the right way to go? Omg, please, make a real baseball move like actual Major League teams do and hire a proven manager who commands respect and has earned it through experience and quit making these A ball mistakes. I’m so tired of it, seriously, it’s ridiculous already, do something that you know you need to do and that everyone else agrees that you need to do. This rinky dink approach just doesn’t work. Preller is basically staking his career with the Padres on this hiring and it looks he’s filling out his own pink slip.
Absolutely disgusting. Been a Padre fan my whole life and this is rock bottom. Andy Green to Jayce Tingler after the owner went on radio and said that the organization was going to bring in someone with a proven track record of success that will walk in a command the locker room.. whoops
Unreal.
31 years ago is the last time they hired an experienced manager?
All of you assuming the worst of someone you know absolutely nothing about is the epitome of people who think they’re smarter than everyone else.
Welcome to the Internet…..where you can act superior and never have to answer for being wrong.
3 of the last 4 managers standing this year were 1st time managers.
But….I’m sure you all are smarter than AJ Preller.
After all….you knew every bad pick he made was gonna be bad…..”after” it was proven that is.
Bottom line…..Prellers job is in the line….I doubt he picked Tingler for any reason other than trying to win.
Give it a break. Are you so accustomed to losing that you’re blind to obvious baseball tenets?
Go argue the Galvis trade or tell everybody what a great move it was to put Myers on third … on another “nameless” site full of hopeless homers and wishful thinkers.
How are there still Preller defenders?
HOW?
They’re a wee bit ignorant. Unfortunately we seem to have more than our fair share.
@mrpadre I think you missed his point. He is saying Padres fans like him feel lied to and they should.
ALL of the last 4 managers standing were on teams with big budgets. Dodgers/Nationals/Astros/Yankees. That is over $800 million of payroll.
Your team will never come close to spending the money any of those teams can. A trained monkey can manage a team with a $200 payroll. It takes someone special to take a low revenue team to the World Series and win it. If you can find a manager that had no experience that took over a team with limited resources and won a World Series you would have a cogent argument.
Two of those four actually have control over their lineups. Which doesn’t mean they ignore analytics, they simply use it as a tool.
For sure its a different era in the game and I say let’s see what he can do, now its AJ to step it up and get us some players to fill out the roster in pitching and OF.
Preller has a profound weakness in being able to identify and acquire big league players.
And the cycle of losing continues in San Diego.
It’s guaranteed.
Padre owners say a lot. It’s about $. Managers don’t sell tickets so would Padre owners spend on manager or GM. They don’t care.
First, let the padres be a great example of doing the rebuild the wrong way. Many times they would abandon this process, trade away top prospects for big league talent that would do them little good cause they wouldn’t have a full team.
2nd, I don’t think this is a good hire. I’m thrilled we get to keep Washington…. but his history of actually developing young talent is a big deal for a rebuilding team. Lack of experience with this new coach doesn’t make sense. Padres fans, I’m sorry… I can’t imagine the pain you’re going through. Maybe my falcons gives me some idea idk…
Let me also say, Padres are on the cusp. That team is gonna be really good very soon with the right manager and IF the front office doesn’t trade away the wrong talent.
Ummm … 5 full years in. This “rebuild” is a fail.
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August, 2014. Entering his SIXTH year.
How the f do you say 2014?
To be fair, the Padres started their rebuild after the 2015 season.
Rebuild started with the Joaquin Benoit trade.
I disagree with y’all. That timeframe is when they trade the Braves for both uptons and Kimbrell. Even though before then you could argue they were rebuilding. They traded away a bunch of prospects, absorbed a lot of cash and disbanded to build a team they though could compete and of course they didn’t do near enough and the team was bad. They do this pattern all the time. Braves kinda sorta profited off of prospects that didn’t pan out for them … although to be completely fair those top prospects didn’t turn into anything much
The first step in the rebuild was adding all of that payroll to build trade capital to buy his own prospects. He was following a model thagt was laid out in a Fangraphs article titled “Is Rebuilding Worth It.” Ergo, 2014.
@bravesfan. That’s not rebuilding. Especially trading for Justin Upton as a rental isn’t rebuilding.
@SDHotDawg only guy he added by absorbing payroll who even did (and was ever going to) turn into better prospects was Kimbrel. And let’s not forget that the Braves drafted Austin Riley with the comp pick they received in that trade and that the money they paid Melvin Upton could have just been invested in the farm instead.
Max Fried did ok. Zach Eflin’s doing ok in Philly. Mallex Smith is better than any Padres centerfielders. Trea Turner is a stud. Jake Bauers and Dustin Peterson haven’t panned out, but are both still young. Preller gave up a LOT for some overpaid, over-the-hill short-term talent.
Of the guys mentioned, the only ones the Padres are missing are Turner and maybe Fried. The issue is that the Padres got nothing from those trades and now have to stomach Wil Myers for 3 more years at $22.5m a year.
When teams are adding MLB talent they are not rebuilding, They are looking to contend. The Padres were trying to contend in 2015 with the additions of Shields, Kemp, Norris, Upton, and Kimbrel. When they started selling those guys off that was the beginning of the rebuild.
Most MLB rebuilds are predicated on seeing positive results in 4 to 6 years. Padres are still within that schedule. If a winning season happens in the 3rd year of a rebuild, it’s generally seen as huge bonus and potential springboard to future good fortune. If no winning seasons occur by year 6, the rebuild was flawed in some way.
cool Padres. have fun with the rookie manager. – Joe Girardi Fam Club
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The only guys of the current generation that I can think of who have been successful Managers that never played MLB were Maddon and Jim Leyland, Showalter is not too bad but has never been to a World Series, there are a few others but they were back some years ago. As far as I am concerned playing at the level counts for everything from an experience point of view. Sorry, but this guy doesn’t have the experience and he won’t prove me wrong.
Exactly. Rememember what happened when Fredi Gonzales yanked Hanley Ramirez out of a Marlins game not hustling on a play? It was ugly, and Ramirez showed his lack of respect in the media.
More GMs likely hire rookie managers so they can have more influence on their in game decision making.. Still think they should have gone with a tested veteran like Washington to lead this young team.
That is a fact.
Best manager name in baseball.
Bad hire by a bad GM
Has he managed a game for the padres yet ? You must be able to tell the future
Have you managed a game yet for the padres? No? But I can say you wouldn’t be a good hire either. Weird how sometimes you don’t have to wait for a turd to feel the crap coming…
Nothing personal against Jay Tingler. Hopefully it works out for him..
I can live with a manager having no coaching or minor league managing experience, but why do only white guys get these opportunities.? Even Alex Cora is the closest guy to being hired with no such experience, and even he needed to coach one year for the Astros before getting the Red Sox job. Last minority I recall being hired as manager hired with no previous coaching or managing experience is Frank Robinson in 1975.
The biggest takeaway from the Al Campanis debacle in 1987 was that minorities needed to get experience in order to be considered for these jobs. Well? Padres twice hired an inexperienced manager over a runner-up who had more experience (Dave Roberts and Ron Washington). So what’s MLB’s excuse now?
I would love to be proven wrong, but actions speak louder than lofty proclamation.
Yes. Because that is what is important and not fit and ability to develop young talent.
Washington is 67 years old. His problem is age not skin color.
Are you really going there? Is that how you define your worth and value as a person? Just pathetic.
So now it’s a ‘race thing’ according to you. Your assertions are ridiculous.
In a word AWFUL, unless…he’s a holding down the fort for Bochy next year. If not this is Preller’s last move.
Bochy.
Is.
RETIRING!
… mlbtraderumors.com/2019/10/bruce-bochy-interested-…
Probably not fair to write the guy off just cuz he’s an unknown. Hinch, Baldelli and Cora were unknowns when they were hired. I’ll give him a chance. Just don’t bench Hunter Renfroe every time we come up on a RH starter, don’t play Ian Kinsler over Luis Urias and don’t even think about getting rid of Balsley.
Balsey will go. He’s being blamed for the mess that was the 2019 staff…
Says who?
New manager will want his own guys…
You mean like Green and Black did?
Not the same set of circumstnaces…I hear ya though. I think Glen Hoffman might be gone too.
Exactly the same set of circumstances. There is no one else they could bring in that is better than Balsley.
I would bet Hoffman and Balsey are let go. Not a knock on them but these are not the same set of circumstances.
Rookie manager who doesn’t have “his own guys” to bring in and even if he did they wouldn’t be as good as Balsley. He stays. Deal with it.
I’ll stick to my comment until it’s proven wrong. I hope they stay but odds are against them…
The odds are very much in Balsley’s favor. People were saying the same crap 4 years ago and he stayed. And I’ll bet they said it after 2006 when Bochy was let go as well. Balsley is the longest tenured coach in baseball and for good reason. The default assumption is that he stays whether you like it or not.
Chicago White Sox pitching coach Cooperhas been a pitching coach longer but like I said odds are against them staying. The nature of the business…
I’ll give you the Cooper point but Balsley will be the Padres’ pitching coach until he retires or dies. And rightfully so.
Not doubting his ability to transform and develop pitching. He is one of the best but you yourself said that they’ve both dodged being replaced before by managerial changes. I have a feeling that their luck has run out…sadly. I hope I’m wrong though.
What makes you say that? Provide proof or admit you are a hater without a cause.
Hater? Not me. Just not closed minded to the fact that it could happen.
There’s no reason why it would happen that wasn’t already given four years ago and guess what? He stayed.
Yes you are a hater otherwise you would provide a legitimate reason for why they would not bring back the best pitching coach in MLB.
We will see when he puts together his staff. It has just as much chance of happening as him staying…your only proof is your opinion. As my proof is mine…
The burden of proof is on you junior. Not me. What reason do they have to let go of the best pitching coach in MLB? Who has survived much worse in his 16 seasons in the position? Provide proof or admit you are a hater without a cause.
Price. He had statistically demonstrable results as a pitching coach for three straight years. Then they screwed the pooch by making him a manager. IIRC he was with the Reds.
Most people are blaming Green and Mejia.
You changed your name to “Most people?”
Most people as in writers mentioned on this website.
Hinch, Baldelli, and Cora were at least major league bench players that learned in the dugout while they were active players. Tingler is just some office boy from Preller’s last job.
Hinch managed the Arizona Diamondbacks prior to Houston.
Also hard to be an unknown when all 3 played at the big league level. Very few ever heard of Tingles unless they were talking to a child looking to perform a #1.
Hinch sucked with the Diamondbacks. His experience there works against him. Not for him.
Almost every manager I’ve ever heard interviewed talks about how their first year or two was a massive learning experience, rife with mistakes.
When Tinkler makes those mistakes and the Padres lose with 3 guys making $20+ million Preller will be looking for a job at the end of the season.
I hope so.
I think you can write off any decision made by Preller as a bad one.
Trading for Tatis, Paddack and Naylor?
Naylor is nothing. 5 years and 2 players. Stop he’s 112 games under .500 as GM stop with puffing of 2 players acquired who haven’t done anything significantly
Naylor should be in EP, lose some Babe Ruth weight and when he hits .300 down there and he learns to play the OF bring him back.
Luhnow was 318-492. 174 wins below .500 after 5 years on the job in Houston.
Luhnow’s first full year was 2012. In his fourth year they were 86-76, and made it to the LDS.
FOURTH year. Winning record.
FIFTH year, 84-78. Winning record.
SIXTH year, World Series Champions.
Be careful who you use as a Preller comp.
“The Houston Astros announced Luhnow’s hiring as the team’s general manager on December 8, 2011”
I included 2011 in my numbers in the post above. Blew it. Here is the numbers. Do your own math..
They proceeded to go from 2012-2016:
2012 – 55-107
2013 – 51-111
2014 – 70-92
2015 – 86-76
2016 – 84-78
346-464 Luhnow was 118 games under .500 his first 5 seasons on the job.
Preller is 349-461 in his first 5 seasons on the job.
Preller was a lot closer to the mean however. The Padres under Preller never sunk to the profoundly bad level the Astros were at in 2012 and 2013.
He put a winner on the field in his Fourth year. That is a fact. So exactly what is your point?
Oh. And if an opposing baserunner deliberately injures your catcher, throw at him. Every time he comes up.
You forgot about Hosmer hitting cleanup.
However … those aren’t the manager’s decisions on this team.
Hosmer is a joke along with Myers trade them eat their salary get rid of the baggage
Preller mindscrewed himself. This is Andy Green all over again. Speaking Spanish wasn’t the deciding factor. It was the common theme, mentioned many times in this and other Padres threads, who’d be the controllable puppet that Preller desired. Loretta is a smart baseball guy who will manage a team sooner than later. Washington was too set in his ways. With no other choice, I’ll look forward to spring training and the goal of hoping the win total rises in 2020 to at least 75 wins…GO FRIARS!
Same old Padres. I’ll be surprised if they can turn this hyped farm system into even a .500 team. Jayce Tingler? Seriously?
Some of our fans care more about prospects than they do about winning at the major league level.
What is a Jaye Tingler?
A. Name of a Star Wars character
B. Something you can get in a massage parlor in Thailand
C. Padres newest manager
If your going to clown the guy get his name right it’s Jayce
Meh…
D. All of the above 🙂
What is a Donald Trump? A. Name of a guy can no longer get American banks to lend to him; B. An Orange Orangutan from the Jungles of Sumatra; or C. The guy who can grab you by the lowdown ’cause he’s famous and you’ll let him.
Wrong website. Try “Communist Party USA,” or WSWS.com.
In the mean time, keep your politics to yourself.
Doesn’t show much for your baseball knowledge, time to move on whatever your name is
This hire definitely proves what I was saying earlier that teams don’t care about hiring an “experienced manager” or a “proven winner.” I bet some teams even see it as a bad thing.
boooo fire tingler and preller
A great hire he’ll bring us a winner if AJ can get a few players back for some of our suspects in the minors.
Fire Bud Black.
Oh darn!
WHO!!! padres going cheap again..
everyone is going cheap..Nats..NYY.. Bosox..Twins.. welcome to analytics
You “Padre fans” are simply amazing.
You know absolutely nothing bout this guy but have a;ready determined he will fail because you think he’s just like Andy Green.
Based on what?
His age?
Experience?
MLB is full of successful managers right now who are first time managers….3 of the last 4 standing actually.
Bottom line……Preller needs to win NOW.
Why would he hire this guy unless he truly believes he’s the guy to win?
He wouldn’t.
But then again…..AJ Preller isn’t half as smart as Hiflew and Hiredgun23 and Kwflanne.
I think you missed the point entirely. Padres fans feel lied to and they should.
ALL of the last 4 managers standing are on teams with big budgets. Dodgers/Nationals/Astros/Yankees. Teams with over $850 million of payroll.
Your team will never come close to spending the money any of those teams can. A trained monkey can manage a team with a $200 million payroll. It takes a veteran to come in and change the culture of a losing team and take a low revenue team like the Padres to the World Series and win it.
If you can find a manager that had no experience that took over a team with limited resources and won a World Series you would have a cogent argument.
We now know who wears the pants in the relationship between Preller and ownership.
Now it’s about the budget?
I guess the Cubs are about to go thru a downward spiral after hiring David Ross who has MUCH less coaching experience than Tingler?
Baldelli in Min.
As a matter of fact…..Joe Maddon had a similar resume(just a little longer) as Tingler did when he took over the Rays as a “1st time Manager” and lead a team of young players to success.
Bottom line…..a Manager with previous MLB managerial experience does not lead to any more success these days than 1st time Managers.
And “lied too”?
Who made you any kind of promise that they would hire someone you heard of or approved of?
No one.
Oh….and a “trained Monkey”?
That’s the exact guy you think we should have hired.
Joe Girardi ……all his success was with the Yankees.
The 2011 Rangers(Ron Washington) were 13th in payroll….not exactly the Padres.
Which available successful experienced Manager from a low budget team were you hoping for?
You lose. Not able to bring a cogent argument. Hiflew is smarter than you.
Thank you for being able to recognize my intelligence. I appreciate it.
As a padre fan I knew nothing about this guy prior to a couple of weeks ago.. you want development He was in charge of player development for an entire organization.. he has been a MLB Bench Coach.. and Coach.. He has never lost as a Manager (winning Championship after Championship..sure low level A ball..Rookie ball ..Larin America and DR.. but baseball is baseball and this guy is a “winner” ..as a player he had a career AAA OBP of .483… the padres achiles = OBP.. he didnt make it to the mlb cause injuries killed his career.. he is the shortest manger at 5-8 in baseball.. his college teamate was Ian Kinsler.. (watch Kinsler who is on the DL 60 for Padres) to become a coach under him.. Now that I know things .. I am looking to see what AJP does to support his hire ..+ a TOR + a lefty stick ala Dickerson and Pads may surprise some folks in 2020.. I for one want to see what the young man can do (Dave Martinez was a rookie this yr hia team is 2 wins from a WS ring..something the experienced boys Baker and Co.. couldn’t deliver..and how many here were ready to hang Martinez after my Pads swept them in a 4 game series early in the season and at one point Sat 19-31??? ) give the young lad his due let him manage..
Henry totally agree let’s see what he can do, I have a feeling he is a winner with his players respecting him and being bi lingual can relate to quite a few Padres.
What about bench coach? I would’ve liked Washington in the role but whatever
Oh by the way Tingler is 9-1 in his current Manager role in the DR Winter league.. needless to say I think his bench coach finishes the winter league season for him now..
How about Rico, Martinez, Ross, all new Mgr’s when hired with no Mgt experience in the bigs and look what happened, Twins win 100+ games, Martinez is in the WS and more than likely will be a champion over the Astros and Ross hired by the Cubs was a decent C but no experience either. I think we could add to this list but let’s see what this guy can do, if he wins everyone is happy if he loses more than he wins AJ is gone everyone is happy.
Just as interesting is who will be the new coaches??
You know what those guys (and Kapler and Roberts) have in common? They don’t control their own lineup cards. They might as well be interns who can follow a spreadsheet.
Really well they must be good accountants three are in the playoffs and one in the WS I only hope the Padres accountants are that good.
Actually, Hinch controls his lineup. Rizzo controls the Nats.
All AJ has to do is make three trades and one FA pickup the question is will he get major league players back in his trades, we don’t need any more prospects. We’ll know in four months but once again if this team doesn’t make the playoffs I’d say AJ is history.
Such an underwhelming hire
Padres fans:::boycott starts today. Avoid Petco…refuse to lose under Preller. Vote with our feet. Leave those brown jerseys on the rack! They might win…but not with my money….out!!!!!
See ya!
After everything Padre fans have been through in 50 years you’re gonna disown them over a Managerial hire you know nothing about?
Is this what they call a band wagon fan? I don’t think you’re going to sway any Padre fans with your quote as to why they should stop coming Tatis is worth the price.
Don’t worry they wouldn’t miss a beat just more room of opposing fans
Boycott petco park!!!!
You must be one of the peta freaks… people eating tasty animals
If there are not immediate positive results, I will absolutely expect Ron Fowler, AJ Preller, and Tingler to end up unemployed less than one year from now.
Ron Fowler the owner is gonna fire himself?
You must be really smart hm? The face of the ownership (Fowler) is going to get fired?
He’s 3% owner but 100% at buffet table
Tingler has experience in every aspect of the game… fans: what about managing a major league club???
Boo this man!!!
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Get Rid of AJ Preller.
He consistently gets hosed in trades.
I see former Padres #1 pick Joe Ross starting in the World Series
along with former Padres farm hand Trea Turner.
Indians picked Preller’s Padres pocket at the Trade deadline landing OF Franmil Reyes and LHSP Logan Allen for marginal minor leaguer Taylor Trammel…
Just a few examples of this “genius moves”
not counting multiple, expensive free agent “busts” signings..
Joe ross sucks man. The only player that really got away was trey turner. You can argue about the two arms worth the braves but that’s about it.
Joe Ross is a rookie stud starter who will be a very good top or mid rotation starter for the Nats for years to come.
Trey is a starting MLB SS who has All Star talent.
Preller and Padres got hosed again..
Ross lost his rookie status in 2015. He is who he is at this point. I wouldn’t go as far as calling him a stud.
There are lot more blunders
Absolutely disgusting hire.
Looks to be a terrific hire. Came with strong endorsements from all over baseball. Most importantly, Preller got the guy he wanted.
Now Preller needs to set him up for success by filling in the holes on the roster.
I’m sure that will be happening.
I’m sure you have no idea.
So did Andy Green. Meant nothing. WTF are they supposed to say?
Preller’s swan song? Probably.
Thought that was after the Cahill trade?
You didn’t like the trade for Wood and Strahm?
You didn’t. “Preller got fleeced. He got nothing in return for 3 very good players. I think he sealed his pink slip with this trade.” Those were your words.
Terrible terrible terrible. Just when I thought my Pads we’re about to do the right thing, finally. I guess it could be worse, I could be a Padre fan… oh wait.
It’s a bad hire no matter how you look at it. I don’t care what “People in the industry” say about him. Nobody on here knew his name 2.5 weeks ago. I’m the biggest Padre fan you will meet and this is absolute BS. If you want to buy the sunshine this organization is selling w/this hire then go for it. I will be honest with myself and call it what it is, another lame duck move by a Franchise who fails to do the right thing.
This club was poised for a true leader. Someone with clout who will come in and command the clubhouse. This move just sets it back. When Preller and Tingler are fired after this goes wrong, we’re back in the same boat next year.
The owner should keep his big mouth off the radio. Don’t promise fans an experienced candidate to just then hire Preller’s buddy, who was supposedly going to get the job all along. Washington was just strung along.
I will be HIGHLY surprised if the Padres are any better next year. Once things get bad, Tingler isn’t going to be able to motivate Machado and Hosmer, they will quit on him like they did Andy. Ron Washington wouldn’t put up with that, nor would Girardi. Both men who have worked with clubs with payroll similar to where the Padres are at now, and not to mention who have won with rosters like that.
This is brutal.
Enlighten us sensei. How is this a bad hire?
Bad hire because we followed the blueprint by the two teams we have impersonated during the rebuild almost to a T, then failed at the end to do what they did.
The Astros and Cubs sucked but showed plans the blueprint and rebuild which bought them time because fans understood the plan. When it was time to get rid of the lame duck managers, they did. Bo Porter and Rick Renteria were Andy Green.
Both organizations upgraded with managers who had learned from their first opportunity. Maddon went to a WS but never won one.. that sound familiar? Washington went to two, I’m pretty sure he has the validity to get players to bust their behinds for him because he has been where they want to go.
If Tingler was so great, then why did Texas hire Chris Woodward over him when he had worked in the org. for 15 years? Pretty sure they know what he is capable of at that point, they can say all they want about how great of a dude he is, but spare me. We heard the same things about Andy 5 years ago.
Ron Washington sucks. AJ Hinch’s experience with AZ works against him, not for him.
Snow was never getting job
“because the fans understood the plan”
You’re something else.
Tingler is a bad hire because you never heard of him before and because suddenly the Padres aren’t following the script the fans understand.
AJ probably understands that if he does what the fans want him to do he will soon be sitting with them.
You do understand that not every fan feels the same way about every decision needed to be made?
Or is it just what Bleacherbum believes should happen that Preller should stick too?
Tingler is a bad hire because a person with no experience as a MLB player or as a coach of any kind will need to earn the respect of the players. The only way to do that is in the regular season and the playoffs.
His DR managing experience means nothing to a major league player. Go read the list of DR ball managers and tell us all how many are even coaches in the majors.
He didn’t manage or coach any of the Padres players in the minors either.
It will take a year for the players to trust his decisions. Especially after Green.
By the end of 2020 if the Padres don’t make a run at a playoff spot Preller will be fired. This is his make or break season. His bosses opened their pocketbooks and are spending more money than any Padres teams in history and they failed to get to even .500 this season.
An experienced manager with a ring on his finger from a WS win could step in and say “I have been to the promised land and I can lead you there.” He has built in respect because he has been there and led others there.
That is why Maddon was able to change the losing culture in Chicago so quickly and lead them to the WS.
Girardi also has led a team to a WS title. Showalter is a 3 time manager of the year, but he doesn’t have a ring.
Washington was a bad choice because of his lack of personal integrity.
Let’s see what the new Mgr. can do, can’t be worse than Green or Black. Its AJ’s career on the line, if this Mgr. wins AJ looks good if this guy doesn’t at least make ..500 in 2020 AJ is out the door.
Motivate Machado and Hosmer? That ship has sailed. If you have to motivate 2 underachieving players owed 370 mil that’s problem
So this is a bad hire because you never heard of him before this?
Wow….think much of yourself Bleacherbum.
So we’re you an expert on Mike Shildt before he took over the Cardinals?
Bad hire … even though he has ringing endorsements from a wide swath of people in the industry, the latest being Travis Sawchik, who basically wrote the book on player development.
But you hadn’t heard of him, — and you’re a big fan — so that means “bad hire..”
Do you know how dumb that sounds?
Same crap they said about Andy Green. And somehow, you’re convinced this guy is the next Yogi Berra, Tony Larussa, or Jack McKeon? Your argument is even more nonsensical as the guy you’re trying to refute.
How about you all just chill, grab a beer, appreciate the fact you live in SD, and wait to see what happens.
Have the Padres told their new manager he has to wear a Showalter jersey around Machado to keep peace????
Peace is owed 270 mil don’t worry
MY PREDICTION:
Tingler will be demonted to Bench Coach in 1 year.
Bruce Bochy will be hired in 1 year.
Bochy says he will take 1 year off, then he wants to manage 1 final club.
Bochy sees the talent the Padres are pillng up.
To Win a WS for his adopted City San Diego will be a great cap to his Hall of Fame Career
Remember, Bochy was involved in both the Padres World Series appearances:
1) 1984 as a backup catcher.
2) 1998 as the Manager.,
Great capper to Bochy’s career 21-25 as Padres Manager!!!
I have been posting that Bochy will manage the Padres again for awhile.
Keep on laughing.
It will happen~~~
Lol don’t hold your breath big guy.
Most of the focus from Preller during the Tingler announcement was on Tingler’s coaching, development, and skills with young players.
What’s wrong with this picture?
Condolences to Pads fans….I just listened to a couple interviews done while Just Tingley was with the Rangers and if he doesn’t remind me of Gab Krapler I don’t know who does…On the bright side….You can look forward to a great feeling a couple years from now when you dump him for a real manager….
See if it works out for SD.. Felt Washington’s experience and prior success (2-AL Pennants) would have been the better choice.
Washington, Joe Girardi, Dusty Baker, Lou Pinella any one of those would be better than the guy they hired.
He could be a good manager some day.
More likely, Padres fans suffer through his on the job training learning curve…
Snow too much baggage, Baker too old no WS, Pinella seriously!
Wash had his best years, he’s past that now, almost 70 yrs old. Time for some young mgr. who has already reached out to some of the veterans via phone calls I like jayce from his press conference he’s a straight shooter, not some old fudy dudy
Boycott Petco!!!! Refuse to go…don’t be one of the 2M suckers they are counting on to pay for Preller mistakes. Now rumors are swirling that the pitching coach won’t be retained. That will be the last straw for a lot more fans. And leave those new brown jerseys on the rack.
No one will notice opposing fans take over Petco anyway
The last two World Series winning managers had no previous managerial experience when they were hired. And the the third most recent was on his second managerial job and the first one didn’t exactly do much to inspire confidence in him.
Just saying…
Dave Martinez played 16 years in the major leagues … Alex Cora played 14 years … Aaron Boone played 12 years … Dave Roberts played 10 years … Hinch played 7 years.
You see where this is going?