11:54pm: Jeff McNeil, the Mets’ terrific infielder/outfielder, is someone the Indians “repeatedly” asked about during the teams’ Lindor talks, Tim Healey of Newsday reports. Unsurprisingly, though, the Mets weren’t willing to deal McNeil.
10:16pm: It might not be long before we see the Indians part with their franchise player, shortstop Francisco Lindor. The Indians have informed clubs that have pursued Lindor that they want their “best and final offers so they can make an assessment over the weekend,” Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes (subscription link).
The Indians don’t have to give up the 26-year-old Lindor, who has two seasons’ control left, but his value’s surely sky-high right now. Plus, having traded right-hander and fellow franchise icon Corey Kluber to Texas last week, the small-market Indians could be moving toward a rebuild. The Indians’ roster still looks better than average even without Kluber, but considering they’re unlikely to extend Lindor before he’s slated to reach free agency in a couple years, management may decide to take the best possible offer now at the expense of their near-term chances.
So far this offseason, the Dodgers, Padres and Reds have been prominently connected to Lindor in the rumor mill. The Mets also showed interest in him, but they’ve drifted into the background because of Cleveland’s exorbitant asking price for Lindor, Rosenthal reports. Even though Lindor’s team control is fading and he’ll make a projected $16.7MM in 2020, it’s understandable the Indians are demanding a significant return for him. After all, he’s a four-time All-Star, one of the faces of baseball and someone who has slashed .288/.347/.493 with 130 home runs, 93 stolen bases and 27.2 fWAR since his career began in 2015.
Reds or bust
I kinda want to see him go the reds ( my brothers are reds fans and I like india) but I wonder if the dodgers will step in and make a crazy bid?
I’m a cards fan and I would like to see him go to the Reds … they are putting together a pretty good team !
Maybe that would get the Cards to make a legit move for some offense – I feel that they need a push/some motivation to get some runs across the plate !
Cards are pretty good. I got them and Reds top of division right now (not counting future moves and such) I like what the reds have done with the rotation.
Eh no way. Cardinals, Cubs, Brewers, Reds, Pirates. I don’t think the reds meaningfully improved since the trade deadline
Opinions are great and all but yours is pretty silly.
So your silly opinion is that his opinion is silly? Well in my opinion that’s silly.
they have not improved since the deadline? Have you been in a coma sleeping beauty? Brewers=No rotation. Pirates-they trying to sell and they going win? Cubs might deal Bryant. So, not silly at all. Everyone just says reds can’t compete cause it’s popular. Those days are gone for now
Wake up and listen to the national sports talk show! The Reds are one of the most improved teams in baseball!!!
If you’re a Cards fan, why wouldn’t you want them to have Lindor?
The same national talk shows that said the Cleveland Browns would go to the Super Bowl.
What have u been smoking, Cubs are losing players, Milwaukee lost Grandal/Moustakas and pitching, Pittsburgh has made no movement, Reds have solidified pitching and added bats they will compete with Cards or anyone
Dodgethis your opinion doesn’t seem silly to me so does that make the first persons opinion not silly making the second persons opinion silly ? Is my opinion silly?
dumb. you don’t want a division rival improving so it forces your front office to make a significant move. that is quite a runaround. you know, Lindor would look much better in Cardinal red with the bird on the bat than in Cincy red. Improve your offense by getting Lindor, not telling the teams that try n beat you to do it. Lindor is a huge upgrade over the steady DeJong. Lindor in baseball heaven would be great for the game
The central is in the process of teams cutting salary or filling openings with not so talented players. My point was, that if the Reds get him, then the Cards may actually follow suite and make a play for improving the offense .
(I think there is zero chance that the Cards make a Lindor type trade unless someone like the Reds continue to make their team better and better in the central)
Unfortunately the Cards have shown continued to show interest at making the play-in-game, or the wild card while crossing their fingers that they can get hot at the right time. They really never take the stance of “we don’t want to just make the playoffs, we want to win a World Series”… not griping by the way but it is what it is
lol u called this person “sleeping beauty”
That’s weird. I’m a Cards fan in STL. We overachieved and won the division last year, won a playoff series and then were cut down by the Nationals-buzz saw (who beat everyone). I don’t view that as not caring or being indifferent to upgrading the team. Standing pat at the deadline benefitted the team; no Greinke contract (you see his post season numbers last year?), no loss or overpay for a rental. I’m happy we ended the playoff drought of 3 years but it’s a little presumptuous of STL fans to get upset with the current regime. More moves would be exciting, but they’ve been improving steadily and the farm has bloomed again. I agree we need some offensive upgrades, but the surplus of OF in STL is something that is appealing to CLE (have you seen their OF sans Mercado?). Lindor is a light in the game and his star would shine even brighter in a market like the Cardinals. If we can get him we should. The Reds won’t be able to extend him any better than the Indians would. Lindor in STL would be awesome – I am not rooting for a division rival to add arguably the best SS in baseball.
however I do wish Carp would hit or retire. That contract really sucks.
Cards have the prospects to get it done. Rosenthal earlier in the off season said the Indians would want dejong back and I’d be okay with that. I like dejong but nan is his offense extreme hot or extreme cold
STL guy here too -I do think we overachieved but that’s just my opinion
I never argued trade deadlines, FA singing or any of that.
I was just simply saying that I was actually happy that the Reds are making a push to improve while everyone else in the central is falling apart, or have already fell apart (not talking about the Cards)
Falling apart doesn’t mean throwing in the towel – just meaning they are either potentially selling or not resigning quality players …. or your just the Pirates lol
Rosey said that the deal that was dreamed up would ultimately fall back to if the Indians had any interest in DeJong … which they never said on record unless I missed it
Getting good veteran leadership in Moose and Wade Miley to round out a good starting staff isn’t a meaningful improvement?
Um, it’s baseball
the Reds are going to be very, very good in the coming years. I’ve been telling everyone in Atlanta that for a while now. they have the potential to be scary.
I’m a 60 year Cards fan. It’s not a case of a Cardinals fan not wanting Lindor in a Cardinals uniform. Cardinals fans KNOW their teams Owners and Front Office!!! This Ownership has the capacity, capital and the resources to obtain Both Lindor and/or Arenado. However——This Ownership is heavily invested in “past their prime players” with high salaries, blocking any path to 3rd, and Right field. Blocking even more talented players on their own team!! Ownership not just blocks its own more talented players because of Carpenter and Fowler, they block the one time chances to obtain not just one but 2 of superstars for today. Blocking a chance to have a World Series caliber team for several years to come. Instead, the Cardinals owners are satisfied with occasionally winning a post season berth with mediocrity position players they currently have currently on their roster.
They added Goldschmidt via trade. They have young OF. They need to lock up Lindor if they are giving away everybody
Who have the a Cubs lost? Hamels? The bullpen fodder? Addison Russell? Nobody of merit.
@triber ya it’s been obvious you’d like to see him go to your national league team. O-H…..
Indians want senzel and India , so I think the reds will do it , but I think if they make the trade he will get traded for a package including a SS ,of and pitching
Knowing the Dodgers & GM FriedmanI doubt it!
If Reds get Lindor AND Castellanos or Ozuna then I am penciling them as NL Central winners. They’ve got the pitching staff to carry them so all they need now are better hitters
Yanks are offering Cashmans jockstrap, and a bucket of dubble bubble gum.
@Todd76 that should be enough for Cleveland and if you’re nice Todd, Cashman might let you have a whiff.(not of the gum)
Lindor is going to be moved before Christmas. The current regime wants to time the announcement so there is little to no local media coverage on Christmas Day
What is the asking price for Lindor? Is this temporary or will the reds extend him? If they keep him longer than next year, get em. If you trade away the future for one year, no way.
According to what I’ve heard, the Reds have signed Akiyama today. That makes me think Senzel to the Indians, at least
Here we go again. Another thread of ridiculous trade proposals for Lindor. Just what my blood pressure needs.
And of course someone’s holding a gun to your head to read them
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I LOL’d well done sir
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facts
Stop reading
best and final offers means they already have an offer they will take if it’s not topped. So long Mr Smile.
You’re probably right but it could also mean they want to consider other options now and to see what develops in late July if none of the offers are to their liking. Trading Kluber has likely already immediately eased financial needs.
Senzel, Greene or Lodolo, India or Siri, and another minor piece. Get it done
You don’t give up all of that unless he signs a deal the second after it is done.
Indians are high on Senzel and India
I would assume nearly every team is high on those 2
I think India’s stock has faded in a lot of people/teams eyes
India has fallen off a bit in a lot of teams’ eyes. Lot of people expected to see a big jump in production for him last season and it didn’t really happen. Still obviously young and a very solid prospect,but Reds fans seem to be valuing him much higher than the consensus around baseball. Heck I saw a guy last week say the Reds should get Hader for Igelsis and India.
If I were the Reds , I would give Senzel, India and some other pieces for Lindor, not crazy about DeSheilds coming back … would rather make a deal for a better CF or give Phillip Ervin a go in CF. Sign Ozuna … with a solid Rotation , that would be a tough line up. No clear cut Leadoff hitter but here goes it …
Lindor
Votto
Suárez
Moose
Ozuna
Aquino
Ervin
Barnhart
Pretty solid group but we will see.
I hope something right happens for the Indians and Lindor. I also hope that acid crackhead stays away from this post. Happy Holidays Peoples.
i missed you Triber
@triber Holy F… were you really alive in 1948?! Kinda explains a lot tbh. Also acid isn’t crack. Another true reflection of you writing about something you don’t seem to understand. Happy holidays, Sleeping Beauty 😉
I think he goes to the Dodgers along with Mike Clevinger.
Lindor and Clevinger for Pederson, Austin Barnes, a first round pick, and a decent prospect is probably fair. That’s a great trade for both sides.
please stop talking. that’s terrible
Lindor AND Clevinger for that piece of crap offer? LOL the Indians would laugh and hang up.
Lindor AND Clevinger for that piece of junk offer? LOL The Indians would laugh and hang up.
Lindor AND Clevinger for that piece of dookie offer? LOL The Indians would laugh and hang up.
That’s not even enough for lindor lmao
no chance for those two,much be seager too.
Benny, Nurse Rachted is ready with your medicine
Might be able to get some Lindor Chocolates with that offer but that’s about it
Well done. This made my damn night.
Perfect!
(and now I want sone)
From a neutral perspective. No
I would want more if I am Dodger brass.
@BennyTheBoss
Let me list the problems with your trade proposal.
1) You CAN NOT trade draft picks in baseball!!!! The Dodgers don’t have a comp pick, which are the only picks that can be traded.
2) Pederson only has 1 year left and he will be a free agent. The Indians want controllable pieces.
3) Austin Barnes is 29, I am sure the Indians are looking for younger controllable pieces like either Ruiz or Smith if you are getting a catcher.
4) This package is not enough to get 1 of them individually, much less both.
A first round pick? What is this baseketball ?
Inclusion of an LA first-round pick in that trade proposal has Magic Johnson’s fingerprints all over it.
That is the trashiest trade I’ve ever seen proposed , quit stroking your dodger dog and go to bed you simp
Let’s try Lux, May and Stripling. Barnes?? The Indians already have a gold glove catcher who hit 24 HR last season.
should probably throw in a second rounder
All of a sudden this is the NBA. Why do you never hear about mlb teams trading draft picks? Because it’s against the rules.
Dodgers would be idiots not to swing this deal. If you’re not going to pay for pitching to cover Clayton Kershaw’s backside, you might as well add more superstars on the lineup card.
damn if he goes RIP Cleveland
What is Cleveland doing exactly? Is this moving assets around to have a well rounded roster or is this a let’s start a rebuild while we still have valuable assets?
There’s an argument to be made to deal Lindor if you’re blown away, and there’s an equally worthwhile argument to keep him in Cleveland for the next two years if the team is competitive.
There is no argument to give him away for less than he’s worth or even for exactly what he’s worth. You don’t trade Lindor away unless you feel you got more than you gave up, pure and simple. You do that, and Tribe fans will swallow hard and accept it. Any other approach is folly.
I’ve defended this organization, but they need to tread very carefully here. They don’t want to lose those who have been generally supportive of them and who accept the realities of the market.
Exactly. It’s not like they’ll trade him and not get someone back who can play SS, along with the rest of the king’s ransom.
They don’t need a SS back. They can sign Iglesias, Russell, or Mercer
Yep. They’re not making the playoffs anyway if they do trade Frankie so any of those guys can fill in at SS for a year or two.
Barf.
I think you described the situation really well. I’ll still be upset when Lindor eventually leaves, but since I’ve seen it coming for a while I’m at least a little more accepting of it. As long as they get an incredible haul back, I’ll trust the front office and do the best that I can to deal with it. But if they get an underwhelming return, it’ll be different.
I remember a time before Lindor. I survived that. I can survive this…….patiently awaiting the arrival of Tyler Freeman.
Agreed. Last year proved we could be competitive even without vintage Lindor. He just wasn’t himself all summer, despite the homers or the Gold Glove honors (the truth is most of the homers were pretty empty and his fielding wasn’t as good as it was in the prior year when he didn’t win a GG). You’d honestly be hard pressed to have a highlight reel featuring Lindor’s big hits or fielding plays from last year.
That being said, I just think he was out of sync last season due to the lower leg injury and was never himself. I think he’s going to have monster seasons this year and next heading into free agency. And the Tribe needs to make sure any deal–if one is forthcoming–is based on that, not his fourth-best-SS-in-the-AL season of last year.
I also don’t think–if the trade is a good one–that the loss of Lindor automatically means the Tribe still won’t be a factor in the division.
I am excited for the time after Lindor. Can’t wait to see Ethan Hankins in the big leagues and Nolan Jones up. Not one player can define a team, even one as good as Lindor. It’s tough as a small market team but more rewarding when you win.
Now that’s the spirit! I enjoy the challenge too, but thank goodness, like Tampa and Oakland, we have a smart enough front office to give us a puncher’s chance.
Sure beats spending $150-200MM on payroll and still not making the playoffs.
I totally agree with you. I never thought of Lindor having a down year as he is always so good. I think you got some valid points there. It’s hard to say anything bad about him or Kluber cause they were so good for us, so it’s a little rose-colored glasses for me as a person for them. I agree. thinking back, he wasn’t platinum glove Lindor. I think his numbers would be better in the 2 hole or 3 but not sure if that played a part but health, I totally agree ,did. I thought I would be sad when they traded kluber and Lindor but I think i was more upset with Bauer, brcause I thought he was a really, unique guy.. Being a Tribe fan is trying at times but I love the way they do business. I get the owner is money tight but I wouldn’t trade my team for anyone because light money makes you have to be smart (like the Rays) and the process is one of the best parts of baseball to me; Having hope with prospects and what if, even if it doesn’t work out all the time.
Tampa and Oakland are great run teams, no doubt. I loved moneyball. Just seeing how organizations run is fun to me. It’s awesome seeing so many different styles with each team having one goal to win the WS and all the stuff we don’t see in front office. Why I think baseball is still the best sport.. (major bias there).
@sufferfortribe
Fans in Cleveland think they are entitled to a championship and get furious when it doesn’t happen, and accuse the organization of being inept and cheap.
But how embarrassing is it for the Red Sox and Cubs to spend $500 million last year and neither sniffed the playoffs? You want incompetence? That’s the purest picture of it!
We do have a lot of fans like that (but i think all teams do) We also got some great fans who understand money is a factor and Lindor has to go. It be cool to keep him but their is no chance he signs here.
@tribe4life
Don’t ever apologize for thinking baseball is the best sport. I like ’em all (even professional bowling!) but baseball is by far the most interesting sport of all to follow, both on the field and off.
Go Tribe!
@Avory
The Red Sox and Cubs have both just won World Series. The Indians haven’t won one since freaking 1948.
Stop shilling for the Dolan’s, it’s embarrassing.
I agree. It sure is. It’s so nice it’s almost all year round now.
Then you buy the team or STFU!
i’m excited for when you stop drinking the koolaid triber. quote him as a supposed indians fan saying “i’m excited for the time after Lindor” WOW – a true clevelander.
Are you a Tribe fan, or just an avid head? If you’re not, then you don’t have a horse in this race. (maybe that’ll trigger a flashback)
Do people forget that this is a team that has seen the likes of Thome, Ramirez, Belle, etc leave, yet somehow they overcome and remain competitive, while other teams have payrolls twice their size but can’t make the postseason?
Then those big spenders end up having to unload those bad contracts at a huge loss, while the Indians just keep rolling along, winning with reasonable payrolls.
I bet lots of teams and their fans wish they had the continual success rate that the Indians have enjoyed. Yes, the haven’t won a WS yet, but at least they’ve gone to 3 in my lifetime. There’s a lot of fans on here who can’t say that.
I hope one day to settle in Goodyear. Then it will be year round for me.
Baseball rules!
East Valley is nicer…
Maybe, but the Tribe’s complex is in Goodyear. You can park for free there, sit on the bleachers and watch their young guys and rehabbing vets play…..for free!
The bonus? Traffic is lighter that far out from Phoenix. Not as many worries about people driving the wrong way on the freeways.
Exactly. It’s the way they have to do business in a small market with an owner unwilling to over spend. The front office actually does pretty well considering.
Agree 100%
They should gather all the hearts of season ticket holders in Cleveland and set them on fire. System is broken beyond repair or replacement.
If they are determined to remain below 100M consistently, they will need to do this with all their players. Ray’s do it and fleece teams like the Pirates. Lindor is legit tho, but that also means he will want Arenado, Harper, Rendon money. Indians have no choice given their monetary preference. Dodgers are probably the best team to deal him to, they seem to have the most top flight prospects
And the Dodgers have more on the way. Their system is very loaded.
Yankees do this
Eh, Yankees would need to give up too much. Our farm is pretty strong, but a Lindor trade would essentially clean us out. I think Dodgers have the prospect power and could include Seager so the Indians stay competitive.
Yankee farm isn’t great. They do have the pieces to get Lindor since they can start with Andujar and Frazier (who I wouldn’t consider part of the “farm” given his service time), and also have guys like German at the major league level they could include.
Those three straight up for Lindor? Probably not enough for the Indians, but include Garcia and that’s a deal the Indians should do.
Deivi Garcia would represent the next Danny Salazar for the Indians.. a little too small.. not much more than a quick arm, like the Salazarian, who would be more of an RP even though developed as an SP.. reducing Deivi’s overall value.. In short.. No on little Deivi even though he’s currently rated as the NYY’s # 1 prospect.. A criticism is only worthwhile if a constructive solution is offered: Replace little deivi with Jasson Dominguez.. and it’s a deal..
Too many questions with Andujar (will his defense improve? Is he just a DH? How is is arm doing after the injury) Frazier (Can his poor defense improve? Can he improve his attitude? Is he just a DH? Will he hurt the locker room?) I can go on an on. Too many questions to trade a talent like Lindor.
Zero chance the Yankees would include Dominguez as the final piece with those 3 already in the pot. I’d say he’s probably the only untouchable in the farm system.
If Dodgers gave Seager they most likely don’t give up much more and like Lindor, Seager is not a long time commitment.
As much as I want Lindor I know there’s 5 other motivated teams that could outbid us
That type of reasoning is how the mets got Stroman at the deadline for nothing. They already have one guy you know they can include in Andujar.
No dog in the fight since my team won’t be trading for him, but if the Dodgers put Lux on the table, then the Indians should pull the trigger.
Lindor and clevinger to the Padres for…
Trammel
Patino
Abrams
Luchese
Gives Cleveland a shortstop of the future, potential ace to replace clev, a top center field prospect and a quality cheap starter to plug in right away.
Can even add a lesser prospect or 2. That’s 3 top 50 prospects in all of baseball and a an mlb ready starter + a wild card or two.
Not a chance that the Indians would take that deal. Take off your Padre glasses and look at this from the Indians side. If you did that, you would know that this would not help the Cleveland Indians. They are not rebuilding.
If they trade Kluber, lindor and clev they are rebuilding. Very least reloading for a year or 2. Which every person I mentioned is within a year or two.
The Padres and Dodgers have the best high end prospects connected to lindor if not in all of baseball.
If the Dodgers add lux then he goes to the dodgers. If not I believe the Padres will have the best offer. Though Cleveland could elect to just keep him.
I don’t think the Dodgers will trade lux and the padres wont trade gore. So what gets a deal done without them???
Even a rebuilding Indians team would say no to that deal. Clevinger should get more than Patino and Abrams and Lindor would get more than Trammel and Lucchesi.
Yeah maybe but enough there to build upon. Padres have a bunch of other prospects as well. Not sure they want to trade them all but if they did the indians wouldn’t be rebuilding for long.
Maybe even add luis campusano, morejon. That’s that’s 4 top 100 and another top 50 guy last year.
Probably too much considering the amount lindor is making. Padres would add another 20m in payroll this year with both.
I agree
If they aren’t rebuilding, what are they doing? Because teams that are trying to contend now don’t trade players of Lindor and Clevinger’s caliber for anything.
The Indians want players like a 2015 Lindor. Lacking MLB experience but almost there. The Indians still have solid SP and that’s half the battle in competing.
Is “Luchese” French for “Gore?”
Italian.
I don’t understand where people are getting the notion that the Indians are pondering trading Clevinger. Literally makes no sense. In trading Lindor they’d be looking for young controllable MLB ready talent. Clev is affordable and not even arbitration elegible yet. Why would they trade that? LOL
This makes me sick. It’s such a shame that small market teams can’t lock up their foundational players. I understand rebuilding a team but teams with deeper pockets have a much shorter rebuild turnaround time or they rarely rebuild. There has to be a way to level the playing field even further.
I doubt that some owners would ever fully support it but that would essentially be the goal of a salary floor
But when there’s a floor , there must be a ceiling
Which neither owners nor players want…
Patino,Baez,Morejon, Abrams and Luchesi for Lindor
That’s definitely too much for just lindor. Need to remove Abrams and it’s still a lot.
Padres- lindor and clevinger
Indians- CJ Abrams, Ryan Weathers, Manuel Margot, joey lucchesi, Adrian Morejon, Luis Campusano (or if they want Mejia back) Gabriel Arias
Going to want patino at least as well.
Preller wont. Untouchables he stated were gore patino
You can’t get both Lindor and Clevinger if you place untouchable status on Patino and Gore. The Indians would demand a package built around one of them.
If Clevenger and Lindor are available then…
Send Clint Frazier, Aaron Hicks, Miguel Andujar, top pitching prospect Divi Garcia and with another pitching prospect like Albert Abreu or someone like Johnathan Loisaga.
That should get the Yanks both players.
That doesn’t even get them Lindor.
Never happening. No one wants frasier… ffor the 3rd straight year. He’s a clubhouse cancer and just not good.
That would get the Stankees a click noise, when the Tribe hangs up the phone.
Indian fans are delusional.
Remember what you guys were expecting for kluber?
Pretty sure it wasn’t a reliever with 23 big league innings and a defensive replacement outfielder.
But somehow they think for 2 years of lindor at about 36-40 million they are getting this huge haul. Startkng pitching is alot harder to come by than a ss.
Christ, Didi couldn’t even get a multi year deal.
I hope he does get traded, for way less than some of the offers being posted here, so I can watch Tribe fans go into spin mode and pretend it was a good deal, lol
It’s just a game, dude. Chill…there’s more important things in life.
Solid advice sufferfottribe except you put down people constantly yourself on here
To be fair this was in response to a package for both Lindor and Clevinger.
One man’s opinion……
Lindor would cost the Yankees one of Garcia or Dominguez, if not both. Frazier is a cost controlled OF, but I don’t see that as a headliner of any sort
No. It doesn’t. It probably wouldn’t even get one player.
Yankees just signed Hicks and if I remember right you can’t trade him until after MLB draft (June 2020 )
India, Greene, Packy Naughton and Alfredo Rodriguez or Jose Siri for Lindor. Then go sign Corey Dickerson. Mahle to the pen, I’d say that’s a division title worthy team.
Cleveland is not trading Lindor for just prospects. It is not happening.
Sure it is. If they trade Lindor they won’t have any use for major league players.
If they want to rebuild/re furbish they would. What’s your counter then?
More good news for the White Sox by default, same as last week when the Tribe traded Corey Kluner to the Rangers. If the Indians are indeed taking final offers this weekend maybe Rick Hahn can jump into the bidding as well by offering their division rivals 2019 AL batting champ Tim Anderson and his 5 years of ‘cheap’ team control plus another decent player or prospect for Francisco Lindor and his last two seasons of expensive arbitration pay. The Indians would not only get a replacement SS going forward but an additional controllable piece, perhaps a C like Zack Collins or a SP like Reynaldo Lopez to help offset Kluber and maybe even Mike Clevinger with his name also popping up in the selloff rumor mill. Heck, I might even throw 1B prospect Andrew Vaughn into the package if that’s what it took to land Lindor and take high OPS switch-hitting 1B/DH Carlos Santana and his remaining expensive two year contract off of Cleveland’s hands and payroll.
If I were Hahn I’d trade for ‘Mr. Smile’ in a heartbeat. He is a top-5 MLB talent, the best overall SS in MLB and force on offense as a high OPS switch-hitting leadoff hitter who also steals bases. It seems hard to believe but Lindor is still just 26 and actually 5 months younger than Anderson. If I were the White Sox I’d also take those Manny Machado FA dollars from last offseason and toss them at Lindor with absolutely no incentives or string attached. In other words, the offer that the Padres actually gave to Machado who in my opinion can’t carry Lindor’s jockstrap.
I do not think Lopez or Collins would interest the Indians.
Tim Anderson and his 5 years of cheap control is the prize. It’s essentially a swap of young shortstops with Collins or Lopez being the supplement, either of whom could be replaced for another piece that is not an essential core player for the White Sox going forward including top prospects Luis Robert and Nick Madrigal.
A top White Sox prospect who could be more easily replaced in Chicago is 1B Andrew Vaughn. Adding him into the package might be the difference maker with the White Sox also willing to take on another expensive Indians contract in Carlos Santana who could be a very useful complement at 1B/DH to Jose Abreu for the next two years, much better than the one Rick Hahn took off the Tribes hands last offseason in order to woo Manny Machado. You do remember that trade between the division rivals that had Machado’s brother-in law Yonder Alonso going to Chicago? I think the Indians ‘owe’ the White Sox a favor with that act of charity by the White Sox front office. lol
Anderson and Vaughn I think would get it done. But the Sox would only do that if they are ready to give Lindor a $300m type contract…not sure if they are.
@AaronSapoznik..As a Cub fan, I always disagree with your comments. But this one is the most senseful I’ ve read from you. The only problem is, if the Indians would do a trade like that to a division rival.
Well I predicted the White Sox and Cubs would make a trade involving Jose Quintana around the time of the 2016 December Winter Meeting when Rick Hahn was already busy dealing Chris Sale and Adam Eaton. I took a lot of heat from fans on both sides of Chicago for suggesting that the city rivals would actually deal with each other. Six months later at the July 31st trade deadline my prediction became reality although I never guessed it would have included the Cubs top two prospects at that time, Eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease.
The moral of the story is “never say never”, especially since I already mentioned a swap that occurred between the Indians and White Sox a year ago at this time.
The White Sox have the goods to make a deal but it is hard to envision Lindor being traded within the division.
^See comment above^
Winker, Greene, India, Santillan, and Galvis.
Not good enough to get Lindor.
You really overvalue Lindor. He’s going to make about 45 million the next two years and is sure to test free agency.
His market isn’t as great as you think. Look at Kluber.
2 top 100 prospects and another top 5 prospect out of a good farm plus 2 good MLB contributors is an overpay for Lindor. Reds need outfield help and Winker is still young, shouldn’t deal him
I don’t think they should trade Winker either. They are going to have to overpay to get him. Cleveland isn’t trading him for the type of return that Kluber got.
That’s too much in my opinion. Take Greene out and that would be more fair for two years of Lindor.
Could replace Santillan with Mahle or Galvis with a lower level prospect, depending on whether Cleveland wants to try to compete or rebuild.
Dodgers
So Padre fans which piece from our hot talent lava is touchable for this trade?
Anyone not named Gore.
Id really like to keep patino too honestly. Im no scout but i got a good feeling about him. Who knows he could be Pedro Martinez or could be Anderson Espinoza. Guess we will find out soon.
Yeah I’d say gore and patino are untouchable
Then I’d guess Lindor is untouchable. For the Pads.
Im pretty sure we could still make the trade without adding gore or patino. Not saying its gonna happen that way and it would take alot but it could happen we have the depth.
This Indians should walk if the package is anything less than Lux and May. I think an intriguing and fair deal could be Francisco Lindor, Brad Hand, Bradley Zimmer, and Triston Makenzie for Lux, May, Ruiz, Verdugo. Now, that’s just me talking, I dont expect that to actually go down.
You’re insane. 2 years of Lindor is not going to net you Lux AND May.
The Red Sox got Sale who had 3 years at ~12 mil per year for the Red Sox #2 (Moncada), #4 (Kopech), #8(Basabe), and a throw in.
Lux and May are #1 and #2 in Dodgers camp. You aren’t getting both.
Prospects are no sure thing. Francisco Lindor is. Plus, the Dodgers have a great chance to extend him. If the Indians cant net Lux and May, they are better off just hanging onto him then and making a run for the next 2 years.
Lux and May are hardly just prospects at this point. They’ve both played in the majors and showed very well. If it’s prospects they are after the Dodgers have a lot of other quality to deal. Ruiz, Cartaya or Downs, just to name a few.
Easy there Pride. Earl prefaced the whole trade proposal saying he was “just talking” and you drop this crap. Then you glossed over the Hand, Zimmer and Mackenzie part along with Ruiz and Verdugo. You must’ve went Hand, Zipper and Mac— damn, finished early.
Dodgers won’t trade 3 ML starter off there 2020 line up. 2 SP not named May 1 of three catchers, Rois. 2 outfielders from AAA a shortstop., La has a lot of prospects that is ML ready not named lux or may.
As a Reds fan, I would obviously love to see Lindor come over. I think a trade involving Lindor and DeShields is possible. If the Reds could mull up a package like India, Lodolo, Galvis, and Senzel plus cash, it could be done due to the mixture of MLB talent plus some highly touted prospects. I hate to see an OF like Senzel traded, but having Lindor mixed with Votto, Suarez, Moose, and hopefully a productive Winker and Acquino would make for a killer lineup.
yankees gonna get him
Are they even in the mix?
Lindor by himself, anyone not named gore.
2 of…
Trammel, patino, abrams, camp.
They may want a mix of cheap mlb players.
Morejon, Grisham, margot, hedges, Mejia, quantril, Baylor, Baez.
There is a deal to be made if both sides are serious.
Your list of MLB ready players is very uninspiring. Cleveland has no need for Margot as they already have four center fielders. The Indians do not need Meija or Hedges as they have the AL Gold Glove winner in Roberto Perez and a good defensive catcher as a backup. Also, remember that Cleveland traded Meija so why would they want him back. Morejon and Quantrill have had limited or no success in the majors and would likely not make the Indians roster as Cleveland has good starting pitching, Cleveland has a first baseman so Naylor does not fill a need. (They won’t want two poor defensive outfielders as they already have Reyes). So you see the Padres do not have the MLB ready talent to get Lindor and Cleveland will not take a package of all prospects.
Half of those don’t belong on the MLB team except the lowly Padres.
Lindor should be untouchable. Generational talent that can’t be replaced. Indians can still win the central with the weak division. No reason to trade him, win now for tribe- from a diehard Royals fan
Let’s see a 3-way trade:
Dodgers get Clevinger
Reds get Lindor
Indians get Ruiz and Peters from Dodgers; Lodolo, Senzel, and India from Reds (maybe even throw in Galvis).
This is probably a huge return for the Indians and could be done in two separate trades by the Indians to get even more, but Reds and Dodgers are in win now mode while the Indians seem to be forward looking.
Swanson, Waters, Wilson for Lindor
I think you have to probably add Wright to get it done but that’s close
I think the only chance the Dodgers have of landing him is if Cleveland is still trying to compete and is interested in Seager. The only top prospect I see them trading this off-season is Ruiz.
Seager and Ruiz do not get you close to Lindor.
Cleveland would see Seager as a negative in a Lindor trade.
You mean because Seager is the better hitter? So you’re saying that’s how Cleveland operates?
Because trading Lindor means they are rebuilding and Seager only has two years of control (the same as Lindor)
I understand your point now, but trades are often accompanied by that thing known as cash. Even contracts that are supposedly “unmovable” get moved with enough of it. But I’ve said before, if the Dodgers did include Seager in a trade for Lindor it would turn an opportunity for improvement into a wash, so I hope they don’t do it.
Has nothing to do with my comment.
If they were trying to compete they wouldn’t dare trade Lindor.
I think they think they can trade Lindor AND compete with the right trade. Of course, they are expecting too much MLB-ready talent in return. Or at least their fans do.
If I’m the Padres, I would focus on acquiring guys like Clevinger, Merrifield and Castellano. There’s no point in overpaying for two years of Lindor if their plan is to go over .500 this year and hopefully barely reach the playoffs next year
Dodgers give up
Seager
Pederson
Maeda
Kike Hernandez
Dodgers get
Lindor
Happ(dump)
Seigler(C – Yankee #8 Prospect)
Pareira(OF yankee # 10 prospect)
Yankees give up
Andujar
Frazier
Happ(dump)
Seigler
Volpe
Yankees get
Seager
Pederson
Indians give up
Lindor
Indians get
Andujar
Frazier
Maeda
Volpe
Kike Hernandez
Dodgers pay a steep price(maeda’s cheap & dependable control, joc’s big production 36 HR & 3.3 war in 450 AB’s and the cheap and versatile value that kike provides to upgrade from seager to Lindor and add a couple of younger prospects to add to the farm or use as trade bait.
That said…the reality is that Joc has become expendable with verdugo’s emergence(3.1 war in 350 AB’s), Maeda has become expendable with the depth that Urias, May, Gonsolin & Stripling have started providing & kike will see much less AB’s with Lux anticipated to take over the 2nd base position and with Chris Taylor still around to eat up any RH platoon AB’s that might need to be gobbled up.
Yankees perspective is win now. Signing Cole proved that. Being able to add an all star SS in Seager and the left handed slugging Pederson while also dumping happs 17m salary in the deal would seem to make perfect sense to help achieve that goal.
The Yankees add Joc, as well, who once again hit 36 HR’s and slugged .538(while playing half his games in dodger stadium as opposed to Yankee stadiums short right field porch) which was good for a park adjusted OPS+ of 127. He was a plus 8 in defensive runs saved last year and he has experience playing all three OF positions though LF is probably the only one that’s above avg any more.
In terms of overall value…the Yankees, like the Dodgers, would pay a steep price to make this win now move but they would also be paying with pieces that are either already expendable or they’re a prospect not named Deivi Garcia or Jasson Dominguez which means they’re probably available for this type of win now power move.
It’s probably fair for some to think that the Yankees might be selling low on both andujar and Frazier but with the emergence of both urshela and tauchman last yr have made them both expendable. They wouldn’t be missed even if they both exceed expectations and fulfill the immense potential they’ve shown. Add in the 3 talented but lower minor prospects and the happ salary relief and it seems like it all roughly adds up.
Ultimately they replace Didi with a huge upgrade in Seager which allows them to keep Torres at 2B and maximize DJ’s versatility in an everyday utility type of role like he played last year and add joc’s LH slugging to the OF/DH mix and the Yankees also get cap relief in the form of dumping happ and his 1 yr 17m cap hit.
Cleveland perspective claims that any trade it would make would need to help them compete now and in the future…well I think this trade seems like it accomplishes both of those goals.
The Indians turn 2 yrs of Lindor and the projected 12 or so war he’d put up that would cost an estimated 40m in salary over those two years into 4 cheap yrs of andujar, 5 cheap yrs of Frazier, 3 yrs of super cheap Maeda, 1 yr of super utility or stopgap platoon SS kike Hernandez and a potential long term Lindor replacement with SS Volpe who was picked with the 30th pick in 19 draft by the Yankees.
In the present…the assumption would be that the Indians would give andujar a chance to play 3rd base next year while moving Ramirez to 2nd. Frazier would play every day and take 600 AB’s in most likely left field. Adding Maeda and his 3 years of cheap control to the rotation is perfect for the cash conscious club which could allow the Indians the added ability to move another arm(clevinger etc) for a big return without leaving the rotation bare. The Indians would also get one year of kike Hernandez to potentially take 450 or so AB’s in a super utility OF/IF role or even as the RH part of a SS platoon. Hes cheap and he adds good value in limited playing time as hes put up a combined 4.7 war over 922 AB’s the past two seasons while playing quality defense at multiple positions. Last but definitely not least…the Indians would get the Yankee SS prospect Volpe who was selected with the 30th pick in the 19 draft. He’s very highly regarded and he seems like the perfect long term prospect to complete this haul of for 2 yrs of Lindor.
I feel bad for the Tribe loyal. How about you call teams and tell them what you want? Or is Cleveland’s league, and every one else is just in it? Isn’t it obvious Cleveland wants Lindor gone more than other teams actually want him? The Kluber trade was an absolute slap in the face to all you fans. I wish Dolan would do the MLB a service and sell. Pull the wool over your eyes believeland.
Do you reside in an alternate reality?
Hahaha, yes sufferforthetribe I probably should’ve been born a few hundred years ago.
The objective is to create a bidding war. By telling other teams what they want, that’s the limit. They need to circle back to teams once they start foaming at the mouth and get MORE, MORE, MORE!
Yes, however GM’s talk to one another. Everyone knows Cleveland is on the ropes with Franky, and a good businessman will use that against them. Is it really sweat off anyone’s back if Cleveland holds on to him for two years? Not as much as it is Cleveland sweating to rid the future expense and prospect possibilities. All the more so, Cleveland is no longer viewed as a serious threat.
They’re not? They can win that division as well as anyone else. Tigers and Royals are out. White Sox are close maybe and the Twins might regress. They need pitching,something we go deep with. If we trade Lindor, it will hurt but I still think we can compete. Also, if u do, you can take the money and add at the deadline as they do when they’re in it.
If they trade Lindor, I honestly believe Ramirez would be traded or on the block 2021. They didn’t make it this year. You honestly believe this team, that’s another year older, will make it next year without Klube and Lindor? These caliber players don’t just come around.
@BobSacamano
The Tribe was not depending on Kluber returning to CY form to contend this year, good grief. He certainly wasn’t a key to last year’s incredible overhaul of the Twins after falling to an 11 game deficit..
The best you’re going to get out of Kluber this year is about 175 innings of 3.80 to 4.00 ERA ball. That’s fine, but it wasn’t going to change the Tribe’s fortunes.
So DeSheilds and Clase will bring you closer? If Kluber was healthy last year they very well could’ve made the playoffs. Those last 5 games Cleveland played were complete give away s.
The last four…the last three of which they mailed in against the future world series champs. They were out of it, so who cares?
“IF” Kluber was healthy. IF Clevinger was healthy. IF Carrasco was healthy. If Jose didn’t stink for half the year. IF Lindor had a Lindor-type year. And yet…they hung in there until the last week and won 93 games. Without Kluber at all. They didn’t want to take that chance again, not for $17 million.
And yes, Clase is going to help this year. A lot. Along with James Karinchak, we have some hard throwers that will change the entire look of our pen. And we need them against a talented Twins lineup late in games..
I’m not disagreeing Clase won’t help. I’m questioning how much more he will help. The tribe already has a solid relief core. Your argument is absolutely valid. I hope they use that $14m on pressing needs. It’s frustrating to see teams like the tribe get beat out by the $245m teams. However, I think deals like this may have larger implications. I don’t remember the last hof traded, that benefited the other team. Not saying it can’t happen.
That’s fair. I’m just saying there’s risk on all sides of this. We won’t know how this plays out for quite awhile. I hate the thought of Kluber no longer in a Tribe uniform, but I hate even more the idea of paying him $17 million for mediocre production. That would be just as bad as paying someone $10 million not to pitch at all. You want to criticize or second-guess, it would be more appropriate to direct your ire at the (what turned out to be) horrible decision to retain Danny Salazar last year.
@BobSacamano I am an Indians fan, so their is that I do believe they can compete in our weak division. I agree with @Avory that Klubot was not a determining factor in our win/loss record. I am honestly not sure how it will be when Lindor is gone. Obviously, we are not as good at that moment without one of the best players in the league but the package will ease the suffering and I think we will be better in the long run.
I just think out of all the MLB teams and out of all the fans, wouldn’t you guys want to go all in?! You’ve experienced the highs, the lows, future hof, cy young’s, game 7, the late 90’s! Isn’t that taste still in your mouth? These gm’s tell you they’re building for the future and farm system rankings. WHat the heck does that mean? This isn’t osu and bama football. Team “dynastys” who have payrolls like CLE come and go like farts in the wind. I’m not saying to spend like Detroit a few years ago, but try every offseason to get better. This is a simple honest thing every team should do. And I don’t see it. You have all the boxes checked..but one. Can they do it it without Franky and Kluber? I argue no. For crying out loud 1948?!
Alright I’m stepping off this Irish Spring soap box of mine. But before I do, I absolutely think kluber will be back to form and a top 10 pitcher in 20’. Go Tigers!
Indians are selling off not trying to win.
slap in the face? His option was picked up to trade him. Why let him go for nothing when you can get something for him? We got a pretty good reliever with upside and a throw-in OF piece with speed and very good defense. I love Klubot but this reality.
This is 2x cy young is getting paid less than Jeff Samardzija. He would be signing $34m av. if this was his fa year. If they can afford Carlos’ 17.5m and Carrasco’s 4 yr 47m, they can afford to pay this cy young’s 17.5m. This trade looked like a backdoor deal if I’ve ever seen one. DeShields and Clase?! I don’t even know if Mariano Rivera in his prime and papa DeShields would suffice for Klube
Stop being ridiculous. It stands to reason the Tribe took the best deal they could find, and it’s also clear almost every organization in baseball recognizes that Clase is no ordinary relief pitcher, but the risk is significant that at 34, Kluber will be an ordinary starting pitcher this year. Add in the $14 million of salary relief that will allow the Tribe to sign a 2B and you start to see the how the pieces fit. This isn’t fantasy baseball; it’s much more complicated than that.
How did I give you the impression I’m talking fantasy baseball? Clase has pitched 22 innings of mlb, 5 years in the minors, 9.0 so9, 1.3 whip. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a bright future ahead of himself. But, for that to be the prize of the trade is a fair to question. Especially with the back end relievers Cleveland already has.
I saw the Kluber deal as a precursor to a trade for hand. Who is much more valuable today than Kluber.
I don’t know. Before the trade, Indians fans were projecting the Kluber “haul” almost exactly like they are now projecting the Lindor haul. It was amazing how they pivoted after the actual Kluber deal was made, just as if they had never expected more. Well they did expect more. Much more. And they could very well experience the same whiplash with Lindor. The only question is: will they pivot and defend the trade the same way they did with Kluber?
Not true, not true at all. No reasonable Tribe fan had values for Kluber that are anywhere near Lindor.
Plus, the deal for Kluber netted the Tribe a 21 year old high end prospect controllable for 6 years plus $14 million to spend elsewhere. One could have expected more bodies, but not much more ceiling.and payroll flexibility.
Pretty much every non-Indians fan here remembers the facts differently. I didn’t say they expected the same haul for Lindor as Kluber. What I said, though I may have said it clumsily, was that in the same manner as they expected a much larger haul than they eventually got on Kluber, they are expecting a much larger haul than they are likely to get on Lindor (if a deal gets done at all). No one but an Indians’ fan believes that the Kluber return was anything like what Indians’ were asking for and expecting on these boards before the deal was done. No one.
It’s not my fault that fans can’t see the 2B the Tribe signs with the Kluber money or the mid-season addition they make because of the Kluber money. Facts are facts, you can’t grade the trade without figuring in the cash and the risk. And that shouldn’t surprise any perceptive observer.
Kluber was NEVER going to get back a “haul”, not now, not ever. Lindor is a whole different kettle of fish. He has a ton of intangible value, carries no risk, and will have two monster years heading into free agency. The Tribe (and fans) are correct in demanding quality, not quantity in such a deal.
Team payroll: ‘16-$106m, 17’-$132m, ‘18-$143m, ‘19-$107m. Currently its $76m (not including arb figures). They certainly have the funds, if they follow recent figures. I just don’t see them spending $30m-50m. We shall see
@BobSacamano
Thank you, as a lifetime Indians fan I appreciate that!
And every thing you said is true.
Also, I too am a big Seinfeld fan.
Happy festivus!
If the Indians price is too high pass Padres. Patino, Morejon,Baez, Abrams Luchesi not enough for Lindor? Pass Padres.
Lindor to yankees for Frazier
Good chuckle
More like Lindor to Yankees for Torres
No and here’s why: Lindor is a RENTAL.
Frazier, Andujar, Garcia, Florial and Abreu would be my final offer. If not good enough, you move on. Enough talent in that offer to be a good offer.
Cleveland will pass. That is not good enough.
That’s the kind of response we got about Kluber too… I don’t believe the average Indians’ fan knows what the FO will accept. Any more than they did with Kluber. At all.
I feel like the Reds have the best chance to acquire him. Dodgers don’t want to trade Lux and Padres don’t want to trade their best prospects.
The Dodgers have to decide if they want to win a World Series or not. They have been reluctant to trade prospects for years now & haven’t made the move that could get them over the hump in the post-season. If they feel Lindor is that piece, then they have to trade some of their top prospects to get him. Lux is a great talent, but if the Dodgers acquire Lindor, they have plenty of other players to cover for the loss of Lux. Seager could move to 2nd if they chose. They have Muncy who can play second. Taylor & Hernandez can also play second. Sure, you hate to trade a talent like Lux, but if you win the World Series, it is worth it. The Cubs did it when they trade Torres to get Chapman. It was worth it for them because they finally won the World Series. The Dodgers should do the same
Here let me give you Andy Friedman’s cell number. Maybe he’ll listen to sense from you.
If by some miracle the Dodgers did get Lindor and they didn’t make the mistake of trading Seager, then he’d move to 3B and Turner to first. This is the likeliest rearrangement of the infield if they are afraid of being the high bidder for Donaldson.
JD Davis, Matz, Rosario, Gimenez, Peterson for Clevinger & Lindor
I would take Matz off that list he’s our only lefty if another SP had to be involved I would include Stroman at least it takes some $$ off the Mets list depending on Lindor’s contract. Cleveland could than flip Stroman to the Angels for prospects.
I understand why the Mets probably shouldn’t move their only lefty starter, but they don’t really have any other SP that makes sense. Stroman won’t have enough control for CLE. If they are going to fire sale, they want prospects with 3-5+ years of control and/or inexpensive guys with 2-3 control that they could flip for more prospects.
Remember how arrogant Indian fans were when Kluber trade rumors came up?
“Your not getting a cost controlled TOR pitcher for that crap”
Im fairly certain the worst offer i saw on here for kluber was better than what they ended up with.
Until of course it happened and for some odd reason Emmanuel Clase became the Mariano Rivera of Ohio.
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Hey it’s another MLBTR swap meet argument thread
The three Mets on their untouchable list are deGrom, Alonso, and McNeil. Lindor’s a great player, but the Mets control those three into their primes.
I agree on deGrom & Alonso. McNeil as the centerpiece for Lindor I think you have to seriously consider. Obviously it will take more, whether that be Smith, Davis, and definitely one of the two big time SS prospects. Lindor has two years left and the Mets have nearly nothing on the books for 2021 and beyond so extremely possible to extend – new ownership is coming. Lindor is younger than McNeil and is already a much better overall player. If you want talent, you have to trade talent.
Reds are very sneaky here. I could see them giving up a haul of players
I don’t the Reds are going in the right direction to stay with the plan. If they go all-in on Lindor 2 years from now he signed with someone else. Then you don’t have him and your prospects are all gone. You start over with a rebuild look at Padres. They have been rebuilding for 10 years when they get close they sign a big free agent and they suck. Then they can’t afford them and can’t trade them.
Could be. They know that small market teams only have a half open window to win…we’ll see won’t we?!
Yankees a sleeper?
Lindor for voit, andjuar, clint frazier, florial, d. Garcia thairo estrada and happ
Happ is then dealt again for another prospect or piece
Definitely, they went all in with Cole, I see them as the most likely team to acquire him
The only player that would even remotely interest them in that is Andujar.
And they certainly don’t want the Yankees problem of trying to trade Happ.
Garcia and Florial would definitely interest them, as they’re top prospects.
Florial’s prospect value has dropped He can’t get out of high A. Garcia is 5-9 and profiles as a reliever by some scouts. I don’t see the Yankees getting Lindor.
You’re going to get the same response everyone got for trade proposals on Kluber. Nothing’s good enough. Then the FO did a deal for less than most of those proposals… You’re just going to be rejected out of hand. Pretty much ALL proposals are getting rejected here. They say he’s top five but basically expect him to take a haul greater than Trout.
Blockbuster deal coming…. Cleveland trades Cleavenger and Lindor to Milwaukee for a package of Hader, Turang, Ashby, and Feliciano.
Bad bait.
Sure the Mets wanted to deal for Lindor — i can just see what the Mets offered —— Cano – Edwin Diaz – Nimmo – Dom Smith and Cespedes — Cleveland’s GM hung up on Brodie Van Wagon Wheels
I’m guessing the dodgers offer just a little less than what the Indians want and this was all a waste of time. Just like they offer every free agent that fans hope they get just a little less than the competition so it looks like they tried
This is a tough one. The Mets have some prospects they can deal from but I imagine the Indians want MLB ready talent and their best prospects are not at AA ball yet, except Giminez who is near MLB ready.
They could create a package around Rosario instead but you can’t package the two together because they’re both shortstops. I don’t know that a package around Rosario is going to be sufficient though. He was a top prospect, he improved last year and he has a lot of upside. I don’t think the Mets have enough near MLB ready talent to add to Rosario and I don’t think Rosario is good enough to make up the difference. Not anyone the Mets are going to be willing to trade anyway and I dont blame the Mets for giving a firm no on McNeil. Just doesnt make any since for the Mets. The problem is it’s not like the Indians are rebuilding. They want to walk that middle ground which is difficult to do.
Unsurprisingly, though, the Mets weren’t willing to deal McNeil.
Ummm..
What?
McNeil was better than Lindor last year
I’m a Mets fan. No the F he wasn’t better than Lindor. And never will be.
Yeah. Not sure why the Mets would be scared to deal McNeil. Yes his numbers were great. Still think both teams can come up with a package involving both players and all sides would be happy.
@Dan you mean like this one?
Kluber came over from S.D. in a three team deal (Involving St.Louis) Westbrook, Moss, and Kluber I believe. He was a 24 yo in a+. I think one was for mid-market teams to compete is through 5-7 really great to good rp’s. I also believe Hand could be part of this trade or Ramirez/Carrasco. Indians aren’t exactly punting on the year but saving $40 million or more while receiving MLB ready talent and high-end prospects, let’s them turn a two year window into eight. One trade I thought about (before Rendon signed) was a DeJong, Martinez and Martinez trade with Cards. Wong, Lindor, Goldy, Rendon, and Molina! Just handout the gold gloves now. it’s still possible just w/out Rendon. Ramirez to Tb, for Addams, Wendle, McClanahan like, plus a little and a draft pick from tb. Cle save 7-8 million, fills a hole and adds more pitching prospects.
Andujar, Voit , Happ. And Garcia for Lindor. That gets the yanks there SS of future
I’ll take “ridiculously dumb trade proposals” for $200, Alex
What I’ve learned from the comments section is that the Dodgers and Padres need to combine their farm systems and send ALL the prospects to the Indians so LAD & SDP can split control of Lindor with the Dodgers getting him on Mon & Wed and Padres getting him on Tue & Thurs with alternating weekends
Well, if you listen to Indians’ fans, you’re about right.
Indians fans do reject every trade but in their defense most of them are just awful
I’ll throw a few out
Lindor for Lux and Verdugo
Lindor for Verdugo May Ruiz
Lindor and Carrasco for Downs Verdugo Gonsolin Ruiz
As much as I like McNeil and want to see what he can be if just plugged in every day at 3b (I’d rather see him every day at 2b- sigh), Mets probably should shop him, if Indians view him as a major piece in a Lindor trade, and earlier in off season it was discussed how much Pirates like him, then maybe consider selling him while his market is high.
I’m guess the Indians would want McNeil, Rosario, and Matz back and while that’s not a crazy ask the Mets can’t do that, not unless they are suddenly going to add a lot of payroll and sign a Donaldson and maybe Keuchel.
“Unsurprisingly, though, the Mets weren’t willing to deal McNeil.”
What are you talking about, “unsurprisingly”? We’re talking about Lindor here. For anyone who knows anything about baseball, yes, it would be surprising that McNeil is the player the Mets deem off limits when pursuing the best shortstop in baseball.
If you look back at Mets history, they have a habit of letting go players who can really hit but don’t have a solid defensive position. Justin Turner and Daniel Murphy come to mind. Also, they do have a shortstop so they’re not desperate for an upgrade there. They really need a defensive minded catcher to handle their pitching and a bullpen of reliable arms. Yes, Lindor is great, but I don’t think that move solves their real problem which is winning more games when DeGrom (or anyone else for that matter) pitches. That situation is endemic of their real problem which is winning by holding on to leads after the 6th-7th inning..
Hammer meet nailhead. Upvoted.
Atl?
If Atlanta hits them up, I would prefer they trade for Clevinger not Lindor.
It’s sad to me that my two favorite players in baseball (Kluber & Lindor) will no longer be Indians…..the character they have is second to none.
I will root for these two players no matter where they play!
Cuz Young and MVP!!!
As a Red Sox fan, I hear you. Back in the day, they lost Fisk, Lynn, Burleson, and others from a great 70’s team. I will say that Indians fans are great, I remember hanging out in the airport waiting for my plane and watching the Indians game on TV. Lots of people stopped to check the score and there were very few negative nellies (like New England Red Sox fans used to be back in the day). Of course, we earned our negativity during the 70’s and earlier, but hope springs eternal for the true fan of baseball.
Yankees have a ton to offer d garcia and happ could fill in for kluber being traded thairo estrada maybe could get shot as the SS then voit, andujar, frazier and estavan florial all for lindor?
Florial is blocked in NY and dominguez is a better prospect lamaihue can play 1b making voit expendable estrada would be blocked by lindor, andujar and frazier … yanks woyld give up a lot but getting lindor puts them over the top!
Bunch of scraps.
It’s a 2 year rental, not a career of Mike Trout.
If they do in fact decide to deal him, I think the Dodgers overpay to get him. The pressure on them to win is so great I think that forces them to. I’d love to have him in a Reds uniform, but the Dodgers are a deeper farm system and can afford to take the hit. Also, for what it’s worth I find myself sympathizing with Tribe fans. It sucks losing fan favorites. When Jocketty started dealing the likes of Cueto, Bruce, Frasier I wanted him publicly lynched…so I get it…
Lindor is a rental who is determined to hit free agency. Considering the price being asked, hang on to your prospects and pay the man when he hits free agency if you want him.
Cespedes, JD Davis, Matz and a prospect for Lindor
Giminez
This is an awful offer. And how do you not even include Rosario?
Both the Chicago White Sox and Minnesota Twins are monitoring what the Cleveland Indians are going to do with Lindor and possibly Clevinger before making another move from now until the deadline. If the Indians do trade Lindor now just watch the Twins and White Sox go after Kuechel.
It’s disheartening to see Lindor get sold off. I think the Dodgers or the White Sox make the most sense from a “what can we offer” standpoint.
Dodgers would likely have to surrender Lux and either Ruiz or May, and the White Sox would have to offer Anderson plus a guy like Kopech or Cease, is think.
I think the white Sox are content with Anderson at short. I think they’re more likely to trade for Mookie than they are for Lindor.
For some reason, I can’t shake the idea that the Lindor trade is going to be a 3-team deal with the Reds and Dodgers. Reds get Seager. Dodgers get Lindor. Indians get high-level prospects from both teams, maybe India, Winker, and Greene from the Reds and May or Ruiz from the Dodgers.
You must be a Dodger fan.
Must be… That’s pretty steep considering the Reds could add 1 more player and have Lindor to themselves…
Yankees – Must sign him in stealth mode- need a lefty bat in the lineup as 8 righty hitting position players. Lindor is perfect & Gleyber is best at 2nd.
Do it Cashman !
Lindor is a switch hitter.
Then he can bat lefty.
Rays should get this guy. Adames a Lowe and prospect should do it.
No way the Rays make a trade for a rental like him, even though it’s for 2 years. The rays will get most out of Adames until he gets a little expensive in arbitration, and then trade him. By that time, Wander Franco will be ready.
As weak as the central is. I guess I dont get a rebuild in baseball terms. They had most of the rotation down last year and still almost made a wild card. They could even spare Kluber.
keep the staff. Trade senzel and winker but only do it if the reds can have him long term
I still say the dodgers are favorites, and they will receive Clevinger and Lindor and the Indians will receive joc Pederson, Corey seager, Gavin lux, Dustin May and their high widely minor league catcher!
Dodgers have the best chance of getting Lindor, it seems like Lux is the player the Indians want in the deal. If the Dodgers give the Indians Lux, May, and Verdugo they get it done. Indians need players who major league ready and are controllable!
For two years of Lindor? That would be insane.
I can see a deal built around Verdugo/ ruiz, gray and downs.
Absurd. Median trade values suggests Lux alone has surplus value of $85M while Lindor only musters $63M. Quite honestly I don’t see either side finding common ground on Lindor. Lindor is the face of the franchise and their fans are sentimental about him and would absolutely explode if they don’t overwhelmingly win any trade involving him. Lindor for May (or Verdugo + low level prospect) is about the correct value and Indians fans might riot if that occurred. It doesn’t make much sense for the Dodgers to make a move for Lindor b/c at best he is marginally better than Seager. There are very few positions where the Dodgers can make a trade/FA signing and the incoming player is a significant upgrade. The Dodgers should explore only those trades, Lindor/SS isn’t one of those.
A fair analysis, but I wonder if any team owner thinks much about how their home town fans feel about any given player. Lindor could make sense for the Dodgers if Seager moves to 3B and Turner to first. We know already that they want to make that move with Turner, which is why they’ve been playing in the free agent 3B market.
of course hey care about the fans but not in the way you think. They do it for the revenue purposes. Less fans = less revenue = lost money.
Do you think the yankees considered trades for Derek Jeter at his best? (Maybe not the best example as money was no object to George, but along similar lines and couldnt think of a similar short stop in this situation). That is because he added a lot more from PR and residual monies. While Lindor is not as big a name outside of baseball it shows that teams do consider that aspect when trading people.
Over about a two year period, the Indians could potentially trade Encarnacion, Gomes, Bauer, Kluber, Lindor, Hand, Santana, and Clevinger.. that’s crazy to think about.
And what’s crazier is they’re able to replace who they trade and just keep winning.
Exactly.
And for all those thinking they can overwhelm the Tribe with quantity for our quality….just remember that all that flotsam and jetsam have salaries and take up roster space. Tribe isn’t dealing for contracts (no to Seager) or guys we have to roster which requires kicking off other guys we want to keep.
Teams have to be resigned to the fact that if they want Lindor, it’s gonna hurt. Like farm system guys on their knees crying like babies over what they lost kind of hurt. Because we’re gonna by crying too.
Hopefully! The Indians were very impressive last year, despite the injuries and Bauer trade.
This reminds me of what they were trying to do ten years ago – rebuild on the fly by trading for MLB-ready talent. They traded Sabathia, Lee, Crisp, and Victor -all within a few years.
Of the guys the Indians traded for that were supposed to make an immediate impact, only Masterson did. LaPorta, Marte, Hagadone were all busts. Of course, Cookie and Brantley became stars but it took them a few years to really contribute.
Overall, they ended up being pretty good trades.. but these kind of trades are tough!
McNeil to move Lindor? Mets won’t? I’d be curious what else they’d want before calling the Mets fools, if true.
From all the rumors going around they definitely want Rosario which makes sense the Mets don’t need two Ss and he has a lot of control left. Mets are also stuck with Cano at 2B and McNeil will play 3B so there’s no place to play Rosario. Rosario + McNeil too steep for a win now team. But it would be interesting if it’s Rosario + JD Davis or Dom Smith + prospect(s) for Lindor.
I’m really hoping they can hang onto JD bc his advanced metrics are awesome. Dude needs to find a position he can play well enough to stay in a lineup, but I think he can be a passable LF. The Mets have a log jam in the OF, but that’s fine bc their training staff is horrible and who knows if Ces will stay healthy. JD is cheap, controllable, and he would be a great bench bat for the Mets in 2020.
That said…Rosario + JD + prospect for Lindor….I’d do it. I think Rosario is finally pulling it together, but Lindor is a win now type move. I would still root hard for Rosario bc I’ve always liked CLE. With Cohen hopefully helping the payroll by the deadline or the next off-season, I feel a little better about being able to sign top-level talent now.
I’d be good with just about anything as long as Thom Brennaman is included in the package.
That’s gonna require you taking back Manning and Underwood and you’ll be sorry.
He’ll be in a separate deal for a janitor to be named later.
11:54pm: Jeff McNeil, the Mets’ terrific infielder/outfielder, is someone the Indians “repeatedly” asked about during the teams’ Lindor talks, Tim Healey of Newsday reports. Unsurprisingly, though, the Mets weren’t willing to deal McNeil
Why do so many teams scoff at being asked for one of their top players in exchange for someone like Lindor? To get a player like this, teams are going to have to pony up, and in most cases, it’s going to be one of their top two or three. They seem to think they can hoard prospects and pre arb guys and still make a swap and bring back a high caliber player. Essentially, they want Lindor for peanuts, and if I were the Indians, I’d tell each team to kick rocks unless they make a substantive offer. Cespedas for Lindor is NOT a substantive offer.
Mmmm the Cubs lost players? Still have Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber, Conterras, Baez, Heyward, good luck beating that lineup if healthy
Yes the Cubs have lost players (unless they suddenly re-sign some of them). They have lost Castellanos, Hamels, Kintzler, Russell, Zobrist, Chisek, Phelps, Strop, etc. And in response the Cubs have signed whom? Meanwhile, the rotation has become ordinary. Good luck winning with that roster.
Yankee fans expecting the Indians to take their defensively challenged players and take on a mistake contract like Happ’s shows how egotistical they are. They think that they deserve every team’s best player for their table scraps.
You made comments like that about Kulber proposals, too, and you wound up getting half what you egotistically expected. You talk as if you are only rejecting Yankees’ fan proposals so you can rouse other haters to your cause. Be honest. You and your Indian fan cohorts are rejecting ALL proposals. Again.
I challenge you, Mo4ever, to find where I commented on Corey Kluber and his trade market before the trade. You won’t find them, because I did not make any. I have commented many times on Lindor, because the package will have to be overwhelming in my mind, or I would just keep him for 2020.
I don’t see the Yankees or Padres as having the players that would meet the needs of. the Indians. The Dodgers do, but will they trade what the Indians want. That is the question. The Reds, maybe, depending on what the the Indians think of Nick Senzel. The Braves have players of interest, but they won’t be ready at the start of 2020, so I again don’t see Lindor going there.
I’m not going to spend my time digging through old comment boards. Suffice it to say your handle is very familiar and I do not remember one strong Indian fan not involved in vociferously rejecting every proposal made for Kluber. The argument was that he was one of the top TOR arms in the league. Then when he got traded it was as if he was damaged goods… It was stunning. I and others here never saw anything like it.
Mo4ever, You won’t look because you can’t back up your comments. All talk and no proof.
Dodgers get Lindor
Depending on the Indians intentions…they would get to choose from some combination of Mlb talent(Maeda, Pederson, Stripling, Gonsolin, Taylor, Hernandez, Ferguson, Rios, Beatty, Barnes etc and from a large number of quality prospects(Ruiz, Gray, Downs, Hoese, Busch, Cartaya, Peters, Amaya, Mann, Grove, Jackson, Estevez, Vargas, Wong, White, Santana, Uceta, Carrillo, Ortiz etc, etc
Quite easy to see a number of ways to get a deal done depending on what the Indians desire as the return.
The pure high end prospect offer might be Ruiz, Gray & Downs or some combination of Ruiz, Gray, Downs, Gonsolin, Hoese, Busch, Peters or Cartaya or any compete now type move might include a Maeda, Stripling, Taylor, Pederson or Hernandez instead of a prospect.
I realize that any Indian fan would want to see Lux or May in any deal but the reality is that dodgers just don’t appear to be willing to include them for only 2 yrs of Lindor with a 36-40m salary cap hit no matter how highly any of us think of Lindor as a talent.
Personally, if I was the Indians…I’d try to get the dodgers to pay a premium for not including lux and May by asking for Ruiz, Downs, Gray to get full value on the prospect side while also asking for some valuable MLB roster depth by charging a premium of either Stripling/kike Hernandez or Maeda/Taylor to give the Indians some flexibility to potentially replace some of Lindor’s AB’s with one of the 2 utility pieces while also giving the Indians a SP to provide some cheap and controllable depth in case the Indians want to move a clevenger type in the future…but that’s just me and I’m certainly biased but I’m definitely sold on Ruiz, Downs & Gray as Prospects and I certainly see the value of adding two of the additional pieces I mentioned to any MLB roster.
All that said…I’d certainly be interested to see any proposals that people think would top a package consisting of Ruiz, Downs/Hoese/Busch, Gray/Gonsolin, Maeda/Stripling, & Taylor/Hernandez…and even if some teams were willing to top the dodgers offer it seems like the dodgers could quite easily add to the deal as needed as long as they still felt the juice was worth the squeeze…
Not willing to deal McNeil. For the best SS in the game.
McNeil, Smith, Rosario for Lindor. That gives the Indians exactly what they want, young controllable pieces. Gives the Mets another superstar to team with Alonso. It helps the defense. I love McNeil. I love Rosario. Yet they aren’t players that should hold you back from getting a generational talent.
For McNeil, Smith and Rosario, Mets could legitimately ask for 1 more player alongside Lindor. Heck of a haul for the Indians.
Tribe might get Rosario and Smith, but not McNeil in that package. That’s just too much from the Mets perspective.and I think they would be fine keeping those 3 if Cleveland walks away
Rosario, Dom Smith, Gsellman and Cespedes (Mets eat the contract) for Lindor and Mercado?
Rosario is three years younger, Smith is very young and Cespedes (at Dh) is going to play for his next contract. Gsellman can with pitch in relief or start.
That’s close to the worse trade proposal yet.
@hockeyjohn; D.Garcia(62), J.Dominguez(66), T.Estrada(82), Frazier (former tribe draft pick), Andujar for Lindor….not likely gonna happen but I’d be willing to make that move if I’m Cashman…what would you say if you’re Chernoff?
The most important pieces in any Lindor deal to me are the MLB ready pieces so that the Indians remain a contender for 2020. The problem with this is I am not a fan of Frazier and Andujar. which makes me say no. The Indians value defense and neither Andujar or Frazier have shown any defense ability. The Indians also value their locker room so Frazier has an added strike against him. I see both as DH types and the Indians already have a DH spot take up at least part time by Framill Reyes. First base is also not an option in Cleveland as Carlos Santana, a team leader, is there. and coming off a very good season. Just too many questions to pull the trigger for me. Of the prospects, Dominguez is the one that I would have the most interest in, but he is so far away.
Also trading him to the Yankees or any American League contender would cost more to get him. I just don’t see the Yankees having the pieces that Cleveland would want. Just my honest opinion.
Rumor has it the Indians really like the Reds Nick Senzel, however the Reds don’t have a ton of other prospect capital that it would take to land Lindor at least not without completely emptying the farm. It got me to thinking maybe a 3 team trade with the Reds, Dodgers & Indians could work for all of them…
Indians get Nick Senzel, Freddy Galvis, Dustin May & Keibert Ruiz…
Reds get Cory Seager, Delino Deshields & AJ Pollack plus some cash towards Pollack’s contract
Dodgers get Francisco Lindor
I wouldn’t trade Senzel for Lindor straight up, much less throw additional prospects into the deal. Five years of Senzel (particularly with his high floor and high ceiling) is greater than two years of Lindor.
As for not having a ton of other prospect capital, gotta disagree. The Reds still have an above average farm system.