5:15PM: The Rangers’ calls about Arenado are more “due diligence” for now, Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post reports (Twitter link), though Texas is legitimately interested in the third baseman.
4:21PM: The Rangers missed out on Anthony Rendon, and reportedly have stepped back from the race to sign Josh Donaldson. However, Texas is still on the lookout for a big-ticket addition at third base, and the club has been in talks with the Rockies about Nolan Arenado, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports (subscription required).
Texas isn’t the only interested party, as the Rockies have spoken to multiple teams about Arenado’s services. While the Cardinals and Dodgers aren’t specifically cited as two of those other clubs, Rosenthal notes that St. Louis and Los Angeles each “have a longstanding interest in Arenado,” though the Dodgers are doubtful that Arenado would be sent to one of Colorado’s division rivals.
Rockies GM Jeff Bridich has unofficially confirmed that he has been listening to offers for Arenado, though of course, that is markedly different from actively exploring trades of the franchise player. As Rosenthal observes, “many in the industry are skeptical it [an Arenado trade] will happen this offseason” due to several complicating elements — Arenado has a full no-trade clause, he is owed $234MM over through the 2026 season, and Arenado has the right to opt out of that deal following the 2021 campaign.
It doesn’t make for a long list of teams that could potentially fit as a trade partner, especially since “Arenado effectively controls the process” via his no-trade clause. It can’t hurt for Bridich to listen to offers for the sake of due diligence, especially since the third base market will shift again once Donaldson comes off the board.
In the Rangers’ case, much of their offseason work has been focused on upgrading their pitching staff, adding Corey Kluber, Kyle Gibson, and Jordan Lyles to join incumbents Mike Minor and Lance Lynn. More work still needs to be done on the position player side, however, and Texas has created some room by moving Nomar Mazara and Delino DeShields from its crowded outfield mix. If the Rangers are indeed no longer pursuing Donaldson, it stands to reason that they could be looking for a lower-key solution at third base (an in-house option like Nick Solak or a stopgap free agent) and instead be looking to spend on another outfield bat. Nicholas Castellanos is reportedly been on the Rangers’ list of targets, and the team also had interest in Marcell Ozuna earlier in the offseason.
home/road splits out of this world skewed.
Buyer beware
They’re not that bad. There is a gap, yes. But they are not out of this world different. I can’t think of many teams that wouldn’t want him at their 3b position, especially when you factor in his defense.
didnt say he was bad, or his numbers are terrible. Learn to read. I said his stats are skewed, which they are.
Id love him on my team, but not for the contract hes got.
Well said.
If you won’t pay $235 for him you won’t sign anyone. He is worth the $$ and I am a fan of neither. That is the going rate deservedly or not. The guy is a player
Skewed does not mean good or bad, it just means his stats are more shifted to one side of the graph when comparing both.
Career –
Away: .265/.323/.476/.799
Home: .324/.380/.615/.995
He didn’t say you said he was bad. He didn’t say you said his numbers were terrible.
You DID say his splits were “out of this world skewed,” which would indicate a degree of skewing that is unfathomable, at least in the realm of THIS world.
Arenado has a career OPS’s of over 1.000 against Verlander, Hamels, Gerrit Cole, Ryu, Darvish, Syndergaard and you get the point, there’s literally no reason to bring up his splits or think taking on his contract is any kind of a negative move. What a joke. He’s Nolan Arenado! He’s awesome! He’s paid exactly how he should be, and you should buy his jersey!
God, everyones so negative today…..why on earth would anyone question the elite-ness of Arenado or call him potentially overpaid???
A 200 point difference in OPS at home vs away actually would indicate an out of this world skew.
Arenado has basically increased his away OPS each year with 2018 the lone variant.
early career struggles do not reflect who he is now or going forward
In other words he has not increased his away OPS every year
7 gold gloves… on the defensive side home/road splits do not matter
Strike four is correct, defensively, simply the best. ..Great range, arm, movement, makes Donaldson and Bryant look as sluggish as they are. Only Rendon is close.
He will hit anyone, plays hard, plays hurt, runs well.
A future hall of gamer unlike, Donaldson and Bryant.
Arenado is stud
If Texas’s new park is anything like the last one, its basically Denver-lite
That defense plays in every park.
Don’t know how the new park will play but old park he would be just fine
Not that bad. Calm down.
Never look at Rockies’ hitters home-road splits. In truth, Arenado has one of the lower ones, but as anyone who follows this stuff can tell you, Rockies hitters have a penalty on their road numbers that is at least as big as the positive on their home ones. The result is Rockies hitters that leave the team perform as well or better overall for their new teams. Repeatedly, almost without exception. This should not be a consideration at all.
Explain how they have a “penalty on their road numbers” for playing places that other players play as much or more? This makes zero sense.
Several reasons.
1) The rest of NL West parks are some of the most pitcher friendly in the game.
2) Road numbers are not equal when applied to different teams because no team plays the exact same road schedule.
3) The Rockies are the only team in the league that does not get to prop up their road numbers with their stats from Coors Field. Every other team does.
If Coors Field is so much better for hitters as everyone claims, then reason #3 should be more than enough to disqualify the stat itself.
https://www.purplerow.com/2014/5/15/5712224/the-numbers-are-lying
12 AL teams never step foot in that park in a given year and the majority NL teams play 3 games. This argument is a bit of a stretch
@hiflew Now that’s some ridiculous jumbo. Thanks for the laugh.
If you take pac bell out of the splits it looks even worse
If you take one park out of anyone’s splits they look even worse.
No, the look different. You’re assuming a lot saying they are all worse.
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Time for an __intervention__ on the Rockies owner.
There’s more to the game than home/road offensive splits, kid! Look at his defensive numbers as well. Cute comment, though!
Omg I can’t even imagine the AL West having Arenado, Bregman, Chapman, and Rendon!
Arguably the 4 best 3rd basemen in the league.
I would agree with that assessment. I tried to think of another I would rather have. Only argument I could make is maybe Donaldson is number 4. But, he is probably number 5 depending on how you value Chapman’s Defense
Chapman’s defense is the best of the bunch by a long, long way (and those guys are all very good defenders, its just Chapman is on a level we haven’t seen since Brooks R.). Chapman nudges Arenado for defense, but they’re #1 and #2.
Chapman was arenados back up in high school
Don’t forget K-Swag…
Actually I think Arenado played short. Or Chapman did. One of them in any case.
Both of them played SS in HS.
As for Chapman being backup? He was two years younger, several inches shorter, and probably 40 pounds lighter than Arenado at the time.
Chapman was not Arenado’s backup, Arenado graduated right before he did. Chapman took over for Arenado. Who cares anyway, Chapman is better than everyone right now.
I see the grammar police, yogineely, is writing proficiently once again. Hey, remember that time (today) when you were bashing people for their sentence structure and grammar, only to hide once you were confronted? You write like a fifth-grader, or you are one. And obviously, you lack fundamental baseball knowledge, which goes to my point about your overcompensation. Glad to see you here little-man! Keep your chin up though, there’s still a small chance you’ll amount to something, or not.
Arenado is 2 years older than Chapman so it stands to reason. Numbers don’t lie though that Chapman is the best fielding 3B in baseball and safe to say, the best overall in the game.
Why do people think that numbers don’t lie? You can manipulate numbers to say whatever you are arguing.
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“Arenado graduated right before [Chapman]”
Arenado was drafted in 2009, Matt Chapman was a senior in 2011.
Al, that’s for sure.
Willing to take on that contract but not pay for Rendon makes literally no sense.
Exactly what I was thinking. They could of had rendon for basically the same money without giving away your entire farm system. Still can’t believe Rockies would extend him to be the face of the franchise and then dump him a year later, also makes little sense.
agree re: dumping him a year after the extension. makes zero sense. what am I missing?
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Charlie and Richard Monfort.
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You’re an idiot!!
Easy, Arenado >> Rendon
Not sure that’s true at all.
Arenado has 7 Gold Gloves, and 38.7 WAR in 7 seasons.
Rendon has 0 Gold Gloves, and 27.3 WAR in 7 seasons.
Rendon had his Slugging jump 70 points last season to 598 but prior had a high of 535. Arenado has posted a slugging between 561 and 586 over the past 5 seasons. Arenado is also almost a year younger.
With Rendon you dont know whether you have a 4WAR player or a 6 WAR player. With Arenado you know you have a Gold Glover whos going to put up nearly 6WAR a season consistently.
Use Fwar and Rendon is higher. Arenado plays half his games at Coors so his slugging SHOULD be higher. You are crazy if thats the stat you are using. They are not that different a player.
Last 3 Years rendon 16.6 War
Last 3 Years arenado 18.4
Home/road splits for arenado pretty significant when it comes to hitting
Money fairly similar I guess it depends on how much you value prospects but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk for Nolan going forward
Staying healthy and on the field also matters. Arenado has the edge there.
Rendon is clearly the better overall hitter.
Umm … not really so “clearly’. Like, if anything it’s the opposite. Rendon has a couple of league average years in there, and only 2019 was other-worldly.
Rendon is clearly the better overall hitter.
Bregman is clearly the better overall hitter.
Bryant is clearly the better overall hitter.
Turner is clearly the better overall hitter.
Guerrero Jr is clearly about to be a better overall hitter.
Devers is already a better overall hitter.
Suarez is clearly the better overall hitter.
Machado is clearly the better overall hitter.
Chapman is clearly the better overall hitter.
A case could be made for Sano, Ramirez and Longoria.
Arenado is the best defensive 3B in the show. No question.
Moncada is clearly about to be a better overall hitter.
I don’t believe they’ll actually trade him unless someone shows a willingness to drastically overpay. This just feels like a fishing expedition.
Gl Nick Solak, always liked him coming up through the Yankees system. Unfortunately yanks have the middle infield covered for the foreseeable future. Let’s hope he can put it all together.
Every team with a payroll under $200MM that isn’t Anaheim, San Diego, or Toronto should be interested.
True but you’d have to take out the four cheap teams in mlb.
I would take him for the organization’s top four or five prospects sent to Colorado.
Holy crap! Yes please, but although I would be hesitant to give up Crouse, I might give up Jung if we are getting a sure thing in Arenado.
Jung, Winn, Palumbo and Florentino.
Also, Odor. And we’ll pay him to play for you. (JK)
I’d do it.
Might actually be enough depending on how bad the Rockies want to be rid of the contract
Would Jung, Huff and Palumbo be enough
Hard to say. Arenado should fetch a ton. I’d presume they want Huff more than Jung but my Ranger bias wants to hold onto Huff and Jung is the higher rated prospect anyways.
Keep Huff and throw in Florentino and maybe Steele
Jung, Huff, and Palumbo would be too much. he already has a massive contract. It’s gonna be something like Jung, Burke/Palumbo, then two high ceiling young prospects who project to be top 100ish prospects in a few years.
Add Gallo and the Rockies don’t hang up.
It makes no sense for Texas to trade Gallo in this scenario though. If you deal for Arenado, you’re committing yourself to being a competing team. Dealing your current best bat on the team contradicts that objective.
I doubt the Rockies would be willing to accept a lesser package to shed to contract like Cleveland was so I don’t see this one going Texas’ way. JD doesn’t seem eager to throw away prospects like he was at the beginning of the decade.
Arenado and Dahl for Odor and Gallo.
Rockies fans are laughing at that, and I want to keep gallo. (even though he’d hit 70 hrs in coors)
You should want to keep Gallo. Arenado is a big risk leaving Coors. Colorado should be taking the deal I proposed. It’s Texas that should worry.
I bet they are, but theres some work to do there. First, Will he waive the No-Trade clause. Second, can they work something out to push the opt-out back or buy it out all together. Third, depending on those 2 issues, how much if any of the contract will the Rockies pay for.
If Arenado wont wont move the opt-out and Texas takes the entirety of the contract, I think the deal involves a little less, and probably couldnt include Jung.
If Arenado is willing to push the Opt-out back or let the rangers restructure/buy it out then Jung becomes the headliner of the deal.
If they can push the opt-out and COL eats a little of the contract I can see a big deal going back. Jung, Tavares, Palumbo/Burke/Allard, and another like Walker. Maybe ever more like Jung, Winn, Taveres plus.
This is a really solid breakdown. My hope as a Texas fan would be that Arenado would allow Texas to restructure his contract to eliminate or at least move back the opt-out another two years. I’m fine losing a better prospect package if we can secure his services for longer.
It’s a nice fit, but Texas simply doesn’t have the chips to get him, unless they include Gallo. Tons of wildly overrated prospects in that farm.
Arenado is a stud. One of the best. but dont forget the trade is essentially for Arenado on a 2Y/66M contract with a 6Y/168M player option.
Unless he restructures (pushes back or buys out) the opt out you assume hes walking in 2 years or he has an issue and youre overpaying for 6 more years.
Are you a scout? How would you know so much about the Rangers farm system to think it’s “wildly overated”?
I personally just don’t buy into a lot of guys in their top 10, but that’s on me.
Still doesn’t explain the “wildly overrated” talk. Have you ever even seen any of these guys play? I have seen some of them, particularly the A club and AA is really talented.
You might want to actually do some homework about their farm system, they could easily make that deal twice.
Jung is a power only guy whos instincts didn’t blow me away. Huff might be something, Crouse is TJ waiting to happen, Winn is a lotto ticket 50 grade guy, need I go on???
Jung is not power only. His power numbers are not that high. I watched him play shortstop at Tech, he’s not a big horse, he can move.
Power only??? Try line drive hitter who’d be lucky to hit 25 hr a year.
Makes no sense at all. They didnt try on Rendon, why trade the farm now and pay basically the same cash…
1.) Arenado is better than Rendon.
2.) Texas is pissed they lost out on Rendon.
3.) Arenado without a two year opt out and a new ace (Kluber) makes some of our top end prospects expendable.
4.) Texas never had an issue with the money, they had an issue with the years. Rendon wanted seven years, even if Arenado pushes his opt-out back two years, it’s still only a four year commitment.
Arenado has stated he will not waive any trade clause. People around Arenado said he will opt out and would like to sign with Dodgers after the 2021 season.
Gotta spend the money somehow! Perhaps the owners just have $200M burning a hole in their pockets and need to bring in anyone who fits what they’re trying to do?
Can you imagine having him and Goldy in your infield
if cardinals could land arenado, him, dejong, wong, goldschmidt would be the best defensive infield in the game.
2B aside- hard to top Chapman, Semien and Olson.
You can’t really put second base aside though. There’s an argument to be made that Wong is the best defensive second baseman in baseball.
ha, rangers must have whole bunch of interests! but they have no cigars!
Just shut up and take my prospects!
That’ll make him even worse.
No chance of this happening.
If the Rockies had no interest in keeping this contract why didnt they trade him 2-3 years ago?
As a Cards fan, I’s be okay with this. But I’m not holding my breath on that one.
I wish Atlanta would get Arenado. I know it would never happen though.
What does this actually mean? Do they have interest in Trout, Degrom, and Vlad jr?
Twins should make an offer for Arenado.
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the first source on this today was I
Arenado is a good fit for a team that needs a star player to build around. The Rangers are a good fit.
Rockies get: Carlos Martinez, Harrison Bader, Nolan Gorman, Edmundo Sosa, Daniel Ponce De Leon
Cardinals get: Nolan Arenado and Jon Gray
Who says no?
Cardinals.
If the Rockies cover at a minimum half of Arenados contract, that deal may start making sense. But the Cardinals taking on the money plus giving up five players including three major leaguers and their number two prospect? Mo let’s that call go straight to voicemail.
I don’t mind that trade…I’ve proposed Gorman(who is the key guy here and what the trade should be built around) Rockies want a catcher so give them Herrera…and them an outfielder…something like that…it should be a serious consideration for the cardinals…having Arenado and Goldy would be awesome…remember the trade is only for two years…Arenado will definitely opt out of his current contract…if they could take Fowler that would be awesome…off set that with a prospect…Fowler came from Colorado so he might accept a trade
Cards cannot make that trade with carp at 3rd. Rockies get: Carpenter, Gorman, Hudson and Gomber. Low cost pitching for the Rockies.
Lol you think you are getting Gorman and Hudson for two years of Arenado….that’s unrealistic at best…really it’s absurd…Gorman is a top 100 prospect who replaces Arenado at third for your future…everything else is a thrown in at best…
Not sure about Gorman, would like to keep him. Cards have low cost pitching and outfielders. But what would it take to get Arenado? Not convinced he ops out. Cards would be amazing. Carp offsets the cost.
Carpenter sucks and is the worst contract the cards have.
The Rockies don’t have enough prospects to get anyone to take that contract.
Would the Rockies really need that much by way of prospects if Texas takes on the full contract? I mean, that’s a ton of money. Something? Yes. But blue chippers? Nah.
It’s not like it’s a bad contract. They would have to give up something valuable I think.
TULO waves hello.
TULO says look at those Home/Road splits.
I’ve seem them. Not as bad as they’re made out to be.
Tulo would have been an all star on any team in his prime years.
The 3 best 3rd basemen and 5 out of the top 10 all in the AL west?…. dang.
The AL west arguably has the most talent in the MLB (NL East) is the only div close…
NL West has talent. The NL central has 3 really good teams.
Seems like they could get Bryant for slightly less
I doubt it. Bryant makes significantly less money and has the same amount of control unless they can get Arrenado to adjust his opt out.
Why would Arenado give up opt-out, he will control where he goes with the no-trade and the opt-out.
Wow. The Rangers are all over the place, so far as their “interests” go. They really are interested in getting something, anyone. They need—really need—to win a World Series, like the Blues needed a Stanley Cup.
Why would any team trade him with those splits away from Coors?
Paying for a shadow of the player outside of Coors.
Keep in mind that Rockies do not get to boost their road numbers with Coors-inflated stats. For every other team in the NL West, a full 10% of their road numbers are made up of stats from Coors Field. Rockies hitters road numbers are made up of 0% from Coors. And yet people such as yourself seem to think “road stats” is a completely equal and fair number to evaluate. Road stats are just as varied as home stats for every team, but especially the Rockies.
Because he is still an excellent player away from Coors capable of hitting 275-280 AVG, and hitting 40 homeruns on a different team along with amazing defense. He would improve any team.
Not at that contract for Arenado. If he was making under $20-mil per year, absolutely. You’d want the best gloveman and a Top 10 or 12 bat. Is he a Top 5 hitting 3B? No. But Top 10, sure. Rockies would have to eat some salary.
He is worth much more than $20 million a year on any team. Manny Machado is making $32 million a season and Nolan is a better player than him. Many players are making over $20 million a year who do not deserve it as much as Nolan such as Justin Upton, Wil Myers, Eric Hosmer, Giancarlo Stanton, Jayson Heyward, Paul Goldschmidt, etc
First, Machado is better than Arenado.
Second, I’d rather have Machado at under his salary too.
Third, IF Arenado leaves Colorado he will not opt out. His numbers will inevitably drop. By how much we do not know.
That is debatable really. Look at the career road numbers. Machado has a higher AVG (273 vs Nolan’s .265), Nolan has a higher OPS and SLG than Machado’s career OPS and SLG
Last season Machado had a slightly higher away OPS by 16 points, but had a lower SLG%. He got to play 10 of his road games at Coors last season where he did most of his damage with a .1225 OPS.
Machado also struggled hitting at Petco last year with a .219 AVG and a .703 OPS.. Nolan also had a higher wRC+ with 128 compared to Machado’s 108 last season.
Rockies are desperate for pitching. Rangers might not be the best trade partners. I doubt he waives his no-trade, hitters don’t leave Coors on their own will.
Still think a Santana & J.P. Martinez to Giants for Evan Longoria is the way to go.
Two more years of Ian Desmond.
Bipolar Disorder.
Monforts.
INTERVENTION
I personally don’t honk Arenado ends up getting traded but Carlson, Edman, Reyes, Martinez for Arenado. Who says no?
You can’t be serious…I hope people remember that this trade is only for two years of Arenado…he will definitely opt out…no way on Carlson but maybe Gorman…lol Edman…lol…lol…ok on Reyes but that’s were it ends…but you might choose between Reyes and Martinez
Arenado is not opting out of his overpaid contract. He will dip at least 150 points on his OPS, most likely land around the high .700’s mark. When he realizes his bat can’t live up to the contract he will stay put. No chance he’s opting out of that contract.
Cards get screwed on that trade also.
Arenado had an .866 road OPS last year. Highly doubt he will regress to a high .700 away OPS
Which placed him 13th among all 3B in OPS with over 200 road plate appearances.
Bregman, Sano, Rendon, Turner, Devers, Moncada, Bryant, Urshela, Suarez, Dozier, Machado, Longoria all head of Arenado, which Vlad Jr behind him at .865.
13th. That’s not Top 10. That’s not Top 5. Not even close. It’s not out of the question to see Arenado regress to an OPS under .800 playing 81 games at Busch Stadium.
Did you not read that he had an .866 Road OPS in 2019 ? What makes you think he will regress if those are his numbers hitting AWAY from Coors last season ?
For your information he has an .848 career OPS playing at Busch Stadium.
Cardinals need to find a way to make this happen even if they have to shed the contracts of Carp and Fowler.
Matt Carpenter’s new 2 year $36 million, over the next 2 years, blocks the Cardinals of any chance of obtain anyone!!!! Much less a superstar such as Arenado, inasmuch, as Owner Bill DeWitt and President of baseball operations John Mozeliak, have notified the Cardinals fan base Matt Carpenter will be in the Cardinals starting lineup at 3rd base come hell or High Water. Therefore, because of strictly bullheadedness, the owner and pres of baseball operations are going to sacrifice obtaining an obtainable superstar who could actually lead the Cardinals to the World Series, virtually right now!!! Plus in the next 3-5 years to come!!! Every indication the Cardinals prefer to protect Matt Carpenter and his new 2- yr contract instead of trading for Nolan Arenado from the Rookies!!!!!!
Am I crazy, or what? We have an excess 3rd baseman and Texas wants/needs a 3rd baseman. Our excess 3rd baseman is from Texas. Why not trade our 3rd baseman for prospects and reduce payroll…maybe enough to afford Mookie Betts for 1 year!
Looks like Rockies big move is signing Drew Butera. Bridich should be fired for his previous big dumb signings.
Rockies specialize in poor deals. Please hire Dave Dombrowski