The Astros’ sign-stealing scandal from their World Series-winning 2017 season has cost them a GM and a manager this week. The club let go of Jeff Luhnow and A.J. Hinch, who were regarded as two of the best in the game at their jobs, on Monday after Major League Baseball suspended them for one season apiece. So what’s next for the Astros? Owner Jim Crane spoke about the team’s direction Friday with Jake Kaplan of The Athletic, Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle and other reporters.
Houston has hit the ground running in its managerial search, having reportedly interviewed two out-of-work candidates – John Gibbons and Buck Showalter – as well as Cubs third base coach Will Venable this week. Venable hasn’t managed before, but prior experience in that role is “not mandatory, by any means,” according to Crane. To that end, would the Astros consider one of their franchise legends? Crane didn’t shoot down the possibility of hiring, say, Lance Berkman, Jeff Bagwell or Craig Biggio.
“We’ve talked to all of our Killer Bs and they’ve contacted me and they’ve all expressed interest that they’d like to help,” Crane said (via Rome). “Berkman, Bagwell and Biggio have all called me and said, ’Hey, if there’s anything I can do, I’m here for you.’ We’ll continue to visit with those guys and see if there’s something there.”
Regardless of whether Venable or one of the Killer Bs lands the gig, the Astros’ goal is to find a replacement for Hinch by Feb. 3, per Crane, who noted the team’s current coaching staff should stay largely intact under its next manager. The Astros don’t expect to make “any wholesale changes” to their list of coaches, Crane revealed.
While the Astros have already gotten going on talks with potential new managers, Crane indicated they won’t begin interviewing GM possibilities until next week. The individuals who end up occupying the Astros’ two suddenly vacant, high-profile positions will be inheriting one of the most talented teams in the game – a club fresh off a World Series appearance and three consecutive 100-win seasons.
How annoyed must some of the recent manager hires be that this all happened now? If I were joe girardi I would rather be coaching the Astros.
He wouldn’t have been interviewed. He’s not a very good manager and he’s closed minded to an analytically driven strategy. That’s why he wasn’t renewed in NY.
Wow. Just wow.
Are any of the team’s current coaches holdovers from the sign-stealing escapade? If so, you’d think they would be disqualified from consideration in light of the firings of Cora, then a coach, and Beltran, then a player.
Espada was a big name out there this offseason in-house and was not there in 2017
Espada.
Espada.
Agreed
Okayyyyy jb19 has made it clear they don’t know baseball, folks. Move along now
Lol what rock did you crawl out from under? The Yankees weren’t even projected to go that far. And even if they were, you can’t just pin a 7-game loss to the WS champs in the LCS as bad management. The Yankees couldn’t even hit that series on the road.
Yeah!
Cause Biggio, Bagwell and Berkman are analytic nuts!!!!!
…
Your logic is so so bad
Stengel,Alston , Rigney, Mack and the rest of the managers, who knew nothing about analytics , did a good job of leadership and managing ball clubs.
Their version of analytics ( over- thinking), see ball- hit ball .
No one knew what a launch angle was . I’m sure that Baker couldn’t give a crap about exit velocity .
Shows what you know about the Yankees. He was nicknamed “Binder Joe” for his reliance on analytics. He was “fired” because he wasn’t able to connect with the millennials.
Stealing signs with a camera and relaying them to hitter is not very analytical either.
Thats really the data Trashtro’s coveted..
I am not sure anyone would rather be managing the Astros next year. It’s going to be a complete circus especially on the road
Some one has to do it and for now, the Astros have a talented core. Imagine if they’re able to retool a couple of years later and they made an actual run at the world series with a good part of that core still in tact. What active manager who’s not on a team would turn down that opportunity?
Lol team put up Murderers Row offensive numbers in 2019 again, didn’t lose anybody on that side of the ball, and now they’re just doomed to the cellar. Get over yourself man.
Why would any established manager who is employed wish they were unemployed so they could take over this mess in Houston?
He didn’t mean it like that, just the chance to slide into a WS contender is more appealing at first glance than some of these other middle of the pack or even rebuilding teams that snagged new skippers. Houston still has a powerful offense and some great pitching.
What I meant was that I’m sure there are some managers who were recently hired that I’m sure wish the Astros opportunity was available when they were looking for a job.
Biggio Manager
Bagwell Bench Coach
Berkman Hitting Coach
What about Derek Bell?
“Operation: Shutdown” Coach.
Center field camera.
So you want to hire not one but 3 people with no experience in their position they are hired for? Sounds like a bad idea
I like it.
That would be a great combo.
I think Biggio would be the best candidate, maybe with Berkman as a hitting coach and Bagwell as a bench role.
Dumpster divin’ Jim
Dusty Baker. Astros were not punished enough. They should have to endure Baker as their manager for at least one year.
I was saying the same thing!!!
Hahahah (I’m a reds fan)
I’m a Giants fan and I laughed too :]
Mets are looking at Baker, and that’s such a them move
Jim Crane and his organization have forever tarnished baseball and its deeply enriched traditions. The Astros have made a mockery out of MLB and are an utter disgrace for everything baseball stands for. Jim Crane does not deserve to own a baseball team and every action should be taken to remove him from ownership
You’re an idiot….
im sorry you cant read words with more then 2 syllables or tgis would probably make more sense to you
no, he’s right.
Shut up. It’s been shown that the Yanks and Red Sox cheated over the years.
The Yankees were not found to have stolen signs. In 2018, a week after the Red Sox were caught stealing signs, the Red Sox filed a complaint alleging that the NYY YES Network cameras to steal signs. After an investigation, the Commissioner’s office determined that the complaint had “no merit,” citing “insufficient evidence.” The NYY were fined for having a phone (no camera). The Red Sox were fined for stealing signs.
Of course….. baseball’s innocent darlings
The last time the Yankees won a World Series (if you can remember that far back), the following roided up cheaters were on the postseason roster: Melky Cabrera, Robinson Cano, A Rod and Andy Pettite. Stop your “holier than thou” comments… to believe that only 2 teams had schemes like this in 2017 is naive.
M04ever, your Yankees won five world series championships from 1996=2009 and the roster was made up of a bunch of PED/Steroid-using cheaters; the Red Sox directly accused the Yankees of using the YES Network cameras to steal signs in 2017, and Logan Morrison named the Yankees as a team known to be doing the same thing now.
Lol same guy that just couldn’t accept the Altuve homer off Chapman is on every post tangentially related to the Yankees pimping his defenses. Plus the Athletic even has them under fire since 2019, Judge got caught on TV with that shady photo, and the mystery Beltran account named Torres, Tauchman and Urshela. Absurd.
P.S. jb19 Cervelli too
Dude, shut up about the roids. Practically every team in baseball had at least one guy doing it during the era. And its not something any fanbase ever condoned or tried to make excuses for, unlike this. Matter of fact Yankees fans hated A-Rod during his playing years
“Dude, shut up about the signs. Practically every team in baseball has at least one guy doing it during the era.”
Lol cope more Yankee fan. Cheating is cheating.
HahahahhahHa this guy
Tries to say the Astros aren’t too bad because STEROIDS ON THE YANKEES 2 DECADES AGO
Then gets defensive and pretends everyone is crazy for calling the Astros cheaters haha haha you’re such a tool
Cope
The point that you missed completely is that cheating is cheating despite the mechanism. The yanks benefited from the sauce even if it was a guy putting chemicals in his body because when that guy’s production gets better, it helps the team win, and the team needs to be accountable. Unless you think guys just did this behind closed doors and never discussed it, which is pretty wild because you can tell when someone is on juice visually in some cases, or the Mitchell report shows you that it’s how juice got out in the first place. How did Montero down in the minors have access to it? Ridiculous misrepresentation of the argument at hand. Doesn’t matter how long ago it was. Dudes compare it to the Black Sox a hundred years ago. Cheating isn’t okay in any year.
Where?
The Yankees specifically stopped anything post letter from commish
Astros + Boston used that as a reason to make it a more elaborate scheme. Both of these stole titles
Don’t group the two
There is positive evidence that Yankees stopped any and all cheating instantly and never did anything after the letter in 2017… or the Yankees never got caught doing anything after 2017?
Let’s see, dis 3 of their biggest power hitters drop 10% off their K career K rate in one year, while another guy improved his wrc from 124-160 in 2 seasons?
Oh no, just the Astros. But yeah, everyone else cheated that way too. Sure bud
Wow. That’s went downhill fast. I promise you, it will be ok and the game is not tarnished. Unless this was all sarcasm, then wow, right over my head.
Whether he admits it or not, I’ll guarantee you that Jim Crane knew what was going on last year!
This too shall pass.
Great thought – process
Signed
P. Rose
forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/06/14/why-jim-cr…
The Astros kept the world series championship and they cheated. Manfred needs to resign and bring back Pete Rose!
If they want to go all internal: Promote Estrada to Manager, Lopez to bench coach (AA Manager of the year 2018, VZL MotY 2015), and make Bagwell your new 1st base coach. Biggio is already special assistant to GM, promoting him to GM or assistant GM and having Putila in the other role makes sense.
“Going all internal” might look like they don’t want a new face, a fresh start, a clean house. Not wanting a fresh start, a clean house might look like they haven’t learned their lesson. Not learning their lesson after the mess they’ve created might seem arrogant. Arrogant is what many people suspect.
It’s players from a different era. No connection to Luhnow or Hinch
It’s still in-bred. They need someone to come in from the outside that the rest of baseball fandom will believe has no connection to the organization’s past. The Killer B’s are connected, no matter how tangentially.
Lol no, no they’re not. Talking out of your behind like you always do on this board, man. Why should the Astros not look internally? Creating a crop of coaches who follow Jeff and AJ is what got the organization to where it is, and it’s why they have sent coaches and officials off to serve other organizations. Clearly they are doing something right.
Yankees fans are out here talking about connection to the past like juice wasn’t handed down by Yankees players throughout the organization. How do you think Montero got it?
“Clearly they’re doing something right””
Yeah!
Like Cora and Beltrán!
Being lectured about “arrogance” by a Yankees fan…PRICELESS!
I think the arrogance people sense comes from the whispers which emanated from 2017-2018 only strengthening the resolve to find a new way to cheat in 2019, as we heard and saw today. It screams, “We’ll never get caught”
Altuve’s shot off of Chapman was one thing. Hammering Glasnow’s 99 mph heater and sitting on his change and curve were another. Tipping pitches my ass
Arrogance is the inmates running the asylum in Houston and thinking that only wins count
Except even Jomboy shows how Glasnow’s pitches were tipped naturally, and Aroldis was obviously going to go to the breaking ball in that sequence after whiffing Reddick with it and walking Springer with some wild fastballs. Altuve is a good hitter and knew what to sit on, and Aroldis hung it badly. Why is that the pitch fans fixate on? Did you get cut from high school JV?
LOL, and you must believe in the tooth fairy with those explanations. Please. These guys were being called into question long before MLB acted. Nice they had some standard responses for dullards like you to embrace
What, the explanation that uses regular baseball intuition to guess what pitch is coming? You didn’t just get cut from JV lol you didn’t even get picked for stickball back in the day if you think that reasoning is some made up “tooth fairy” stuff.
Hahhaahhahahahhaha
There’s a pic with altuves buzzer on his jersey
Go away with your If XYZAGJS ALL HAPPENED, it WAS OBVIOUS!?!? No
Lol ok go against what the MLB already said, not my problem. What the problem was, was dudes thinking that Altuve somehow couldn’t have hit that bomb without one.
There’s a pic clear as day on the internet I can’t post here.
@starting9 posted it 1/16. you can’t look at the pic and say he’s legitimate or the hr is legitimate. It’s from the Chapman AB
He has a oval, 2 inch long buzzer clearly visible. Go look it up. He’s a cheater. Give it up
Except don’t you think the MLB would have caught this back in November when it was announced? You act like your sleuthing blew it wide open. Passan was talking about this way before you buddy. And if the Astros didn’t have signs then it doesn’t matter if it was a whistle or a light or a buzzer.
You can’t ignore the positive PR naming somebody like Biggio. I have no idea what kind of manager he’d be, but he’d at least have the support of the fan base.
Not unlike Varitek in Boston, maybe even David Wright in NY.
The stuff Is a mess for MLB, and paying a lot of attention to that fanny in the seat is going to be important.
I would think those teams would be more concerned about the message they are sending across the country: that they are making a fresh start, a new beginning. That means bringing someone in from the outside to provide the new face to go with it.
How is Biggio not outside this
Ya, on further review, both you guys are right. It’s hard to determine where the scandal stops and Biggio (or Variteck) starts…..because of their experience, they were probably more able to understand what was going on….
Good point; bring in outsiders
@You know what…
The B’s are inside the Houston family. As is Varitek. And Pedroia.
the biggest cheater!
My pick would be John Gibbons. He has a very calm demeanor and he is an excellent in-game manager and knows how to run a bullpen well. He has a great relationship with the Astros closer, Roberto Osuna, whom he managed in Toronto. Gibby is nobody’s fool and has the respect of both players and the members of the media. He might be the perfect choice to take over this mess in Houston.
Osuna is a dumpster fire waiting to be lit
Good call Dan
Roger Clemens for GM.
perfect!
Clemens to JV; PEDs will help prolong your career.
Bad idea
Kinda surprised Phil Garner isn’t getting more mention. Garner took the 2005 Astros to the WS with a much less talented team than the 2020 squad, and is generally remembered positively by fans as both a manager and a player.
Not sure how good of a manager he is these days but the fans would LOVE it! His comments on this whole thing and on Fiers especially were… hmm… blunt.
That was 15 years ago. Why would he be good now
They need Tony LaRussa. He’ll take them to a new level.
And if you don’t believe it, just ask him. If there was ever a superego attached to an average manager, it was him.
Truer words have not been spoken.
La Russa might need help policing the clubhouse, what with him supposedly having had no idea whatsoever that Canseco, McGwire, and company were been using PEDs.
I heard they have contacted Belicheat of the Patriots.
Poor Larry. You are certifiable.
“We are looking for someone who can teach us how to steal some other cool stuff.”
What about the fourth B Jeff Banister , the rangers fired him after 2 playoff appearances. I’m just glad y’all have B’s instead of a JD!!
There is more to be proven. They were wearing advanced technology and cheating. I hope the implode!!!!!!!!!!!! Arrogant players. Over them. Altuve knew Chapman was throwing a slider.
Everyone in the stadium knew he was throwing a slider hahaha is that cement mixer really the hill you want to die on in the argument over whether they cheated or not?
There is no argument or debate about whether or not they cheated. It is common knowledge now that they did.
Ignoring that it’s hard to quantify if the cheating had a positive impact (because the road numbers beat their home numbers), I asked about the slider in 2019, the year MLB cleared them of cheating big guy.
The home numbers versus the Dodgers were significantly better than their road numbers. You know what that is called? Denial, little boy.
Ok now do a real sample size and not 7 games. You’re also ignoring the usual home/road split that takes place in the postseason even if it was a legit sample size. If you were older than like 16 you would have learned that in high school big guy. Quit dismissing all those games that don’t support your theory. And if you want to use the postseason you have no choice but to investigate the Yankees, whose split was even more severe.
And you still didn’t even address that I was referring to the Chapman pitch in 2019 specifically, so quit switching up the years looking for a zinger.
The Astros cheated. They have acknowledged as much. Again..denial. Grow up, kid. You want to focus on one game without any proof because that is all you can do. The fact that they are known to have cheated in in general at least lends credence to the notion that they cheated in that game. Quite frankly, it makes it probable. You keep living with your head up your arse and continue to make yourself look like a fool, though. It is amusing.
No one thought he’d lose the chance at a World Series with a slider
Bregman was shouting into the camera “how’d he know! How’d he wait back!?”
The 2 hitter didn’t know. You knew nothing
You’re a bigger liar than they are
Ok clearly you got cut from JV and now I have to explain it. Chapman already threw his slider 30% of the time in 2019 and 40% with two strikes. He just whiffed Reddick on 5 pitches with 3 sliders. And then he walked Springer because his fastball control was dookie. He did that to Diaz earlier in the series. You can sit on a slider with regular baseball intuition, buddy. No ~arse~ about it. Altuve isn’t some mediocre hitter who gained like 130 BA points because of the magic buzzer. He has years of experience with this. And when the breaking ball that he’s expecting is a cement mixer, he hammered it.
And yeah there’s a statement that they cheated. What we want to know is how frequently in the game, in how many home games, and what the impact of it was. And if you want to slam the door on them without those facts then I don’t know what to say. But you being angry online isn’t going to shame me into conceding pal so keep going I guess, it’s your life.
Also you brushed off my argument with “tHeY cHeAtEd” without addressing the difference in the split that I brought up. Are you coping?
Actually altuve went from a 120 Wrc to a 160 wrc in 2 years so……. he actually did do exactly what you pretend he didn’t
And I’m just fine. You’re the one coping by denying everything and anything you can
Ok so if he’s bad like you say then what about this year when he was healthy and the MLB said the Astros had no stealing system in place?
You’re acting like there aren’t Yankees who had huge spikes in production, too, so if “he got really good” is your baseline level of evidence then… alright? Tauchman, Ford, Voit, Urshela, on and on and on. Am I saying they cheated? Not really. They could just get really good. What would actually be helpful to the conversation is if you showed road stats, but then you would see Altuve is doing just fine there too boss.
In true Texas spirit go full blown Jerry Jones. Manage the whole damn thing yourself in a suit and tie.
I do not think so
Anyone they hire is going to have to handle the media feeding frenzy. Road games are going to be brutal. I wouldn’t envy the man.
I will never understand the impulse of certain people to metaphorically tongue bathe cheaters and frauds.
But, it’s clearly a very common mindset.
I think people who condone cheating are often people who cheat as well. Quite frankly, their parents failed.
I will never understand the impulse of certain people to condone cheating like forwhomjoshbelltolls. Pathetic.
Nah. Those with open minds understand that human beings are flawed. It’s obvious that BellTrolls and his burner account Wordonthebus are superior beings, visiting from a galaxy far,far away
The fact that people are flawed is no excuse to just condone anything. That is simply a lazy, apologetic attitude. Referring to it as having an “open mind” is pathetically laughable. That kind of pseudo-logic will only appeal to fools.
This is baseball boys. Not a hip replacement. Smh
Human beings are flawed, so…
A) …they should try to overcome those flaws by holding themselves to high standards.
B) ….they should give up and become lazy, corrupt garbage and have fun with it.
I go with A. And yes, the people who choose A are better people than those who choose B.
“Analytics” is code for trash can banging.
We’ll see how talented they really are without shirt buzzers.
youtu.be/Yp9-lXAcU-g
The Houston Asterisks
They knew that AJ Hinch was against the banging scheme, because when he destroyed the monitor he was overheard yelling, “Can it!”.
I see Crane is claiming Biggio, Bags, and Berkman are all willing to come to his aid this morning. Perhaps he can borrow some of their credibility to jump start the recovery.
Fwiw, here’s something I wrote to a friend who is a diehard Stros fan…
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I’m the wrong person to say this […I left the Astros after 40+ years b/c of Crane’s taking Selig’s bribe to go to the AL, where they play a strategy-starved form of the game that I despise… and now, am a Nats fan, all of which makes me something like a traitor to some…], but you guys need a totally fresh start.
The body buzzer thing is taking it all to a whole other level. I’m seeing things today that seemingly support implementing a whole new phase of the original investigation. The Astros brand is being permanently stained right before our eyes, Scott. Or, at least, for a long, long, long time. You don’t live this stuff down in any other area of life. This is Enron, but in baseball terms.
Even as I personally am persuaded that the top man probably didn’t know, his lack of knowledge is its own different but almost-as-damning criticism, i.e., given how pervasive and how enduring and how elaborate the mechanisms to gain advantage appear to have evolved to become.
To cleanse the brand of the stain, it’s going to require a lot more than exiling the manager and the general manager. It’s happened under Crane’s watch, and the best thing he could possibly do right now is to go public and offer to the ownership group (of which his seat is 3.5 of the 20 seats as I recall) to sell off his stake and/or to appoint a different ownership group member to assume the lead owner role.
Even if they meet and decide to refuse that offer, that is a major first step to the Astros’ cleansing from the poopy hanging all over their starred H today.
Then, what is probably decidedly more objectionable than that is… there are players who MLB didn’t discipline, but who now look at least as bad as any of the Roid era suspects, and taint the Stros brand.
What do you do with those guys? I really don’t know, except that you need somehow to get them off your roster, at least temporarily, and probably best, permanently. But some degree of penance is just plain necessary.
I hate all of this for you, because I know you’re a good, honest soul who at least regards intellectual honesty and attempts at objectivity as high priorities. Other Astros fans? The same, to the degree that they have the same regard you do… for many, though, it’s always just been about circling wagons and homerism, imo. Principles be damned, and it’s all everyone else’s fault.
Dude you switched teams within the last decade, you didn’t ascend to divinity haha no need for the philosophy and extra wisdom after “your” team wins a title. The buzzers have been in the headlines since late Nov (Yahoo article mentions them in a release/tweet from Passan) so you can’t say MLB didn’t know about this. So the Sox with Apple Watches have to sell even before the result of this investigation? Steinbrenner and his teams riding the sauce? What about when he paid a gambler to go try and ruin Winfield’s life? You can’t enforce this rule evenly… or really at all, if history is the precedent. Even Landis didn’t force Comiskey to sell.
Read slower.
You assume wrongly that I’ve suggested Manfred force a sale.
And this isn’t a victory lap as you seem to pretend for whatever reason.
Rather, I’m offering my somewhat-informed opinion about how an organization in this situation best removes a huge poopy stain on their brand.
And it starts with the guy at the top realizing that–just like the guys he just fired who he himself asserted weren’t involved either–like it or not his presence is innately part of that stain… and humbling himself (something Crane isn’t particularly known for, granted) and offering to step back.
Any objective outsider consultant they would hire would almost certainly start with that.
You said he should step down and sell and that’s what I responded to, and I bring in forcing owners to sell because the examples didn’t elect to do it themselves and the league didn’t enforce it. And all of those owners are examples of guys who stood over a franchise while they did something bad for the game, and all of them kept going after taking proper measures for the situation, unless you’re Steinbrenner who they had to give the boot to. All those franchises didn’t implode, and no one is talking about ~poopy stains~. It’s a media zeitgeist thing. Crane is a good owner who was building the team back up before 2017. Even the report acknowledges the leaders of this scheme. I get that you’re coming at it from a PR angle, but that’s still not the historical lens to approach it from.
And if your team association doesn’t matter you could have just slid that part out of the statement, lol.
They just gained new pics, genius
Read slower. Again. The second try apparently didn’t catch it.
===> “….no one is talking about ~poopy stains~. It’s a media zeitgeist thing…”
Wow.
Never mind.
And by the way, we did go to the moon and Elvis is dead.
Ah yeah there’s that snark, you finally stopped dressing it up with verbose paragraphs. When I say “stains” I meant ones that people talk about with a degree of severity. And the reason they don’t discuss those boo-boos I brought up is because time passed and people let it go. We’re in a media landscape built on hype that wants any story about the Astros to be true so they can jump in the dogpile. And we are holding this same recency bias as a foundation for these arguments when we talk about “worst thing ever” or “will taint the organization for all time” when in reality no organization is like that, not even the worst offenders. Unless you still have that fire about the sauce or about Niekro’s emery board, I don’t know what to tell you chief.
To be fair to you, it *is* only reasonable that you respond in the way that you do. It’s not that different, really, from the way my friend responded.
You really want this to somehow vanish as-if it never happened… that it all was media contrivance. I would, too.
For the weeks since the story originally broke that an investigation was happening, my Astros friends on the board I used to frequent spent a lot of time reassuring each other that it was muchado about nothing, and it would all blow over quickly.
Irrefutably incredibly ill-founded self-deception on their part, as it turns out.
And now that the report and penalties have come out, the next natural phase of this follows that same narrative, except that now that it’s been formally established at least some part of what happened, there’s greater emphasis on the “well-what-about-ism” thing, in order to water down the Stros’ offense.
More self-deception?
Time will tell. No one really can know.
Same can be said for someone arguing that to maintain that this is a long-term stain on the franchise is over the top…
One can say those words, but then there can be no mistake that we still talk about the Black Sox an entire century later…. and there can be no mistake that the penalties suffered are empirically historic… and there can be no mistake that cheating just in general hasn’t been known to happen very often in professional sports, so unless that trend changes, this thing is going to stand out over time.
To my original point here, you can’t predict with certainty what will happen and I can’t either.
One can only do what you can do in real time that you know is more likely than not to help advance the public’s perception that you’ve removed all possible reminders and remnants of the culture that allowed the stain.
For that reason, Crane’s best move is to ***offer*** to the ownership group to step back from his lead role. The group, in turn, would be smart to agree to that, but even if they wouldn’t, there at least is some public benefit to be gained from the humble gesture…
And don’t miss this… ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that he is in essentially the same position that he says he fired Luhnow and Hinch for allowing themselves to be in.
Realistically? Just my opinion, but I honestly doubt Jim Crane has the character to even have that thought/consideration come to his mind, let alone take action on it.
To non homer, lie to myself Astro fans, you sound very reasonable
There aren’t many out there rn
Crane took them to lose 590 games in 6 years.. when they got good again fans wanted the super team. So telling them that super team is super illegitimacy is gonna make them attack u before defending the Astros
Sad but it’s most Astro fans at this point, least the still vocal ones
Lol dismissed it as illegitimate with no logic. You mad about the last five years buddy? They put up Murderers Row numbers again with a clean bill by MLB, you know, the ones that said they were cheating. Getting huffy online and trying to shade me isn’t going to do much for you.
Mad they cheated for 300+ wins, nearly two titles and dozens of individual awards? Hell yeah
And you’re happy about it. Says a lot about the man you aren’t
Lol supposed to believe you aren’t hurt when you start insulting my manhood over a game. Braun got his MVP, Yankees got their chips, not sure what to tell you.
I’d respond, except you’d first have to respond directly to something I actually said.
This isn’t my first rodeo and I don’t play the rhetorical whack-a-mole games that people tend to play when their only other options are to concede the points made, or walk away.
(Then again, maybe you weren’t meaning to reply to me anyhow, but to this other poster. Dunno. Not clear. All that is clear is you’re dug-in determined not to concede any points made. Free country. That’s your right. And it’s anyone else’s right to interpret that as they choose.. Fyi, your brand of defiance usually doesn’t lead people to positive conclusions.)
Thank goodness this is only baseball. I’d shudder to hear you rail against something that genuinely mattered.
Most overly verbose “I disagree, but it is what it is” I’ve seen online.
Weak.
Most people realize that when someone deflects from substance into trying to route the discussion into friggin word count, they really have no substance of their own to bring to the conversation.
Better to just not post at all, ie, than to post what amounts to,
“I got nothing, but I’m too damned intellectually insecure to actually concede any valid points made.”
And we still went to the moon. And Elvis is still dead.
And this is all real stuff that the Astros are dealing with, all real stain to the franchise’s future, and this is all reasonable recommendation as to how they would be smart to proceed.
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In “2001 – A Space Odyssey” Hal the computer learns the humans intend to disconnect him by reading their lips as they discuss it.
Sign stealing via electronic means?
Please give John Mozeliak of the Cardinals a record setting contract as either Houston’s General Manager or President of Baseball Operations!!!!