Mookie Betts trade drama has been one of the prevailing stories of the offseason. In addition to the Red Sox’s recent discussions with the Padres, Boston is also in touch with the Dodgers on a potential Betts deal, reports Alex Speier of the Boston Globe. While there’s still no certainty that Boston will eventually pull the trigger, Speier characterizes the club’s willingness to move the 2018 AL MVP as “serious.”
While a Padres’ deal would seemingly require Boston to take on Wil Myers’ contract as a means of acquiring prospects and reducing their luxury tax hit, Dodgers’ talks would seem to be more straightforward. As Speier notes, L.A. could part with one of their many MLB outfielders to facilitate a trade for Betts, whom they justifiably view as “a rare talent.” Such a scenario could be appealing to Boston, who no doubt hopes to compete in 2020.
Interestingly, Speier adds that the Dodgers could look to explore a package deal involving Betts and a high-priced starting pitcher like David Price. That would help Boston get under the $208MM luxury tax threshold, although Sox owner John Henry recently downplayed the importance of doing so. At the moment, the Sox project for a $236.8MM luxury number, per Roster Resource. Removing Betts’ $27MM and Price’s $31MM respective CBT hits from the books would ameliorate that. That, of course, would certainly make Boston’s roster worse in the short-term, even if they received MLB-ready pieces in any return.
A third NL West team is also at least lurking on the periphery of the Betts’ market. The Diamondbacks, where former Red Sox executives Mike Hazen and Amiel Sawdaye are leading the front office, have interest in the superstar outfielder, reports Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic. Arizona doesn’t have the resources or farm system of the Dodgers or Padres, perhaps making them a longshot. Still, any team figures to have a strong enough system to reel in Betts, who will hit free agency next offseason. Meanwhile, the Snakes should have a bit of financial flexibility, with a projected season-opening payroll of $114MM that trails their season-ending outlay of $125MM. That alone wouldn’t be enough to make room for Betts’ $27MM salary, although perhaps ownership could bump payroll beyond typical spending levels if it meant landing a unique talent.
If anything is clear from the varying reports, it’s that the situation remains fluid. 70% of MLBTR readers forecasted this week that Betts would open the season in Boston. That’s obviously still a strong possibility. Nothing prevents the Red Sox from holding Betts and reevaluating their situation at the trade deadline; future suitors wouldn’t get the benefit of being able to tag Betts with a qualifying offer if they acquire him in-season (as they would if a deal is swung preseason), but there’d no doubt still be demand for one of the sport’s best players in July.
AA figure out how to get it done already. Betts in the 4 spot and Ozuna in 5.
Acuna
Albies
Freeman
Betts
Ozuna
Swanson
d’Arnaud
Camargo
Good luck rest of baseball.
Still not even close to Dodgers, Yankees, Twins or A’s.
A’s?
I know they’re not a name to immediately come to mind, but gotta give respect where due. Oakland comes up with low-risk signings and in-house additions and has gotten 97 wins and a Wild Card spot for two straight years. With Manaea and Montas that rotation is going to be even better in 2020. They’re a good team; not the best, but a good team
Mets would still have a better roster the Braves too.
Please, in my opinion the braves, nationals, and Phillies will be in way better shape then the mets
lol jokes in 2020 are good.
phillies are trash and have no camaraderie. Nats lost a top 10 player in MLB 2 years in a row. I’ll take my chances on mets being better.
Mets? Hahahahaha
Harper is was not a top 10 player when he signed.
At what?
The Mets finished 11 games behind the Braves last year. Are you saying that they make up more than that by losing Wheeler while the Braves gain Betts?
People sleeping on the Astros…crazy! Houston probably has the best lineup in baseball aside from NYY; and they strike out considerably less…
Of course they strike out less, they know what pitch is coming.
Right now the Astros don’t have anyone to bring the lineup card to the ump. First things first.
We’ll see how good Houston’s lineup is without electronic assistance.
Jtm2889,
The Astros have a great lineup but they are not going to win games with the scores of 21-20! Remember they lost the best pitcher in baseball names Cole!
ROTFLMFAO
Ignorant. Betts and Acuña would he the two best players on the Yankees, twins, A’s and dodgers (unless you want to say bellinger is better). Albies and Torres match up perfectly and the rest of the lineup with the Yankees is as good if not better too…
123Redsox. You are the ignorant one. It takes a full roster. Otherwise Trout / Rendon would make the Angels a WS favorite.
One of these things is not like the other…
The proverbial elongated teat.
Ahh…strike four you’re always good for a laugh.
A’s and Twins?
Sorry Strike Four but you don’t need the “best” lineup, only one that you believe is deep and will be clutch. Not knocking any of the teams you listed but who wins in October likely will depend on pitching, clutch at bats and team health.
no, absolutly better than the Twins or A’s and close to the Dodgers and Yankees.
Thanks, DWB! You just saved me from wasting the next nine months. Mighty neighborly of y’all!
I would love to believe it, but Liberty Media never seems to indulge like this.
Atlanta definitely has the prospects though
@DWB You are basically talking about the same lineup you had last year. Ozuna has been league average the past 2 years. If you can get Betts (and that is a big if), , he can replace the production lost by losing Donaldson.
Don’t be shortsighted. If we’re just buying whoever we want, why not:
Acuna
Albies
Freeman
Betts
Arenado
Ozuna
Swanson
d’Arnaud
Betts, Albies, Freeman, Acuña, Ozuna, Riley, Swanson, D’Arnaud would be the lineup opening day
Betts, Price, $40mil
for
Folty, Inciarte, Contreras, Wilson
Could that do it?
“The price is wrong, Bob!”
I’d say it’s fair, but I am hoping to do better.. Nothing really pops out. Folty replaces Price. Inciarte makes JBJ expendable. I like Wilson, and Contreras feels like he could eventually be a pro.
Again, nothing special, but it gets us firmly under the cap, allowing for a couple more smaller additions.
NL East champions before spring training begins
Needs to be a blockbuster or Braves wont sell prospects for a ST rental. Boston won’t want to do it but they should. Braves get Betts, Price, Devers and cash ($10M) for Newcomb, Brian Wilson, Riley, Ender, Ynoa and Shane Green. Boston gets prospects in the package – which they need – a back end closer and players to fill the positions of outgoing talent. Braves get post season experience, an answer at 3B, ST replacement of Donaldson’s production until Waters/Pache come up and payroll offset for Betts salary. I would think this makes the Braves the NL favorite.
He’s gone.
Betts for Pederson and Verdugo its on
May and Verdugo gets it done
Pederson and Verdugo for betts is so laughable that the sox would never take the dodgers serious again. Lol… If you need to me explain why, please feel free to ask, if not, I’ll save myself the paragraph
Verdugo is under cheap control for 5 years which is exactly what Boston is looking for. Its not laughable at all if Red Sox ownership cheaps out and wants to let Mookie walk.
The only real knock on Verdugo as trade bait is he ended last season injured and the word is he isn’t guaranteed to be ready for Spring Training.
It was reported in November that he was 100%.
Sox wouldn’t really want Pederson as a main piece given he’s a FA after 2020. Would have to be Verdugo and probably a pitching prospect.
And since reported, as of the beginning of this month, that he had not resumed baseball activities, and his injury was more serious than originally thought. Pederson would not be the main piece in a trade if Verdugo was included, assuming Verdugo is healthy. Which at the moment he isn’t.
I agree 123 but ball four is always good for a laugh!
Actually the Sox come out ahead using the values at baseballtradevalues.com
Pederson and Verdugo for betts is so laughable
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For such a strong opinion, an explanation is in order. Here’s the way I see it.
1-The FG projections for Betts & Pederson are 6.6 WAR and 3.2 WAR. So we lose 3.4 WAR for one year. And that’s on a platoon basis. Assuming the other half of the platoon (JDM), supplies 1 WAR in roughly 200 PAs, we are in the hole by 2.4 WAR. And salary savings of ~$18M.
2-Verdugo figures to be about a 3 WAR player for his career. We effectively receive 15 WAR over the next 5 years, in exchange for a downgrade in 2020 of 2.5-3.5 WAR.
2-Verdugo projects to
The Red Sox aren’t taking Pederson in a Betts trade Einstein. Pederson is a rental just like Betts. The only reason the Red Sox would trade for rentals is if they want to win in 2020 and if they wanted to win in 2020 we wouldn’t be hearing about them trading Betts in the first place. So if anything the Red Sox would see Pederson as a negative in a Betts trade.
Joc has about as much value as JBJ does. no way the Sox want him.
Verdugo,Gonsolin, Downs and either Ruiz or Luis Rodriguez.
We won’t get half of that. Even if we got just Verdugo & Ruiz, I’d drive Betts out to LA myself.
Why stop there? Ya’ll want Buehler, Bellinger, Lux & Muncy too?
Padres just want to be known for trying.
Don’t think you can say that when they’ve signed Hosmer and Machado in consecutive offseasons. Combined with the reality that they probably have to push for a wild card for Preller to keep his job past this season gives them enough desperation to pull it up and then let him walk after the year.
Ownership needs to come out an support Preller beyond 2020 so he stops feeling so much pressure to leverage everything only to win in 2020. This is the management mistake that will jeopardize the whole rebuild that’s been going on for the past 9+ years
Well they want to win in 2020 and how else can they achieve that but by telling the GM so? Or should they not want to win after all the investments and years of losing? Confusing.
I agree with you about management being careful not to strip mine it’s farm system but I don’t agree they should support Preller beyond this season at this point. Give him this season to get into the post season. If he can’t do it without trading away the farm then maybe it’s time to change the bath water.
How has ownership not shown support?
I don’t trust healthy adult men who choose to take baths instead of showering.
I give it a year or two the Yankees will be calling to trade for Machado.
We’ll see
The race has begun!
No chance. It’s gotta be the Dodgers or my outside pick, Nationals.
Dbacks simply doing their due diligence, similar to Kris Bryant a couple weeks back.
I don’t understand why the rangers aren’t going after Betts whatsoever. He would be the team’s centerfielder with Gallo in right and Calhoun in left, that would be the best outfield in baseball. That would put Santana at first, and the lineup would look like so.
Choo
Andrus
Betts
Gallo
Calhoun
Santana
Odor / Solak (hopefully Solak)
Frazier
Chirinos
The rangers could then extend Betts, and when Choo and Fielder come off the books next year, it will even out.
@Rangers29 The Rangers aren’t going after him for the same reason alot of teams are not. He is intent on hitting the FA market. He is going to command a salary of 35-40 million per year for 8 -10 years. If you are not looking to spend that kinds of money, are you willing to give up some top prospects for a 1 year rental? Are you certain that with Betts the Rangers will overtake the Astros?
Its because the Rangers are a joke and not a serious contender. They also don’t have much in the way of prospects to offer Boston for Betts. Why rent Mookie Betts for a season on a team that will miss the playoffs and probably hover around .500 for the year. No!
That wouldn’t make the Rangers have the best outfield in baseball haha. But anyways, what would the Rangers be able to offer?
what are the Rangers offering for Betts?
Boston might want to resign Betts in 2021. If so, they would do well to trade him to a team that wouldn’t stand a chance of extending or resigning him—the Dbacks.
Yeah because the Red Sox have a great track record of trading a franchise player and resigning them in the offseason, just ask Jon Lester.
Supposedly Sox ownership learned (I was wrong because I also did not think Lester at the time was worth his demands). They overpaid on Price as proof. The question any team has to ask with any significant signing is this the best value for your club moving forward? Sometimes you have to overpay but if signing Betts puts you back in the same situation in 23 for example, is it worth it? No one knows what CBA changes will happen and baseball is a team game.
@soxzilla Dude the Cubs offered Lester $20m more than the Red Sox did! He would have signed with the Cubs anyway.
it takes more than one example to establish a trend.
He’s already said on multiple occasions that he wants to test free agency. I don’t think that will change regardless of who he gets traded to.
Dodgers bringing in Betts and Price seems like a natural
A natural disaster with Price!
To old! Owed way to much money!!
And if the Dodgers F.O. can’t or won’t give Betts the money he wants when he becomes a free agent, then we’ve given Boston some of our top prospects for one year of Betts with no guaranty that he’ll help win a World Series. And as for Price, he’s been braking down & the Dodgers will have $96 mm tied up with him that they will need for Bellinger, Buehler, Seager & Muncy, Lux, May etc. in the not so distant future. I hope we don’t get suckered into giving away the farm & the future unless we can definitely sign a Betts or Lindor or an Aranado or a Bryant to a multi year contract!
Just outbid everyone in fa. The Dodgers get $300,000,000 a year in TV contracts alone. Boston should have just traded Mookie and everyone else after the ws win. Prices value was at it’s peak, JDM’s value was higher, and Mookies was more than twice what it is now. Don’t worry about what idiot fans thik just do what wins.
I always get worried when people begin to thik.
The Dodgers basing a deal around Pederson and Verdugo would balance out the LA lineup card a lot.
C Smith (RH)
1B Muncy (LH)
2B Lux (LH)
SS Seager (LH)
3B Turner (RH)
LF Pollock (RH)
CF Betts (RH)
RF Bellinger (LH)
You think the Red Sox would trade Mookie Betts for Joc Pederson and Alex Verdugo? No way. They would want some high end pitching back plus Pederson is the definition of a platoon player.
Pederson is a platoon piece with 1 year of control…..
If Sox are dealing Betts it’s for controllable assets. Pederson would be a 5th piece given his struggles against lefties and 1 year, not a QO candidate either.
Keibert Ruiz, Edwin Rios, Tony Gonsolin, Jordan Sheffield, and Joc Pederson is an ideal package for Betts.
Ruiz and Rios fill two needs at 1st and C. Plus pick up a SP and RP in Gonsolin and Sheffield.
Lux, May, Verdugo, Downs and Urias plus 100 individual season tix (plus round-trip bus transportation) to Los Angeles Angels games for TV blacked-out L.A fans. Throw in season-long $50 stadium food vouchers for all 100.
Who wants to go to angel games to facilitate a dodger trade…..
You’re not invited. Stay at Chavez Latrine and watch the other guys celebrate the WS result.
Re Joc…. Are you forgetting he hit 40 bombs last season? Say what you want, but 70% of the league is right handed. He can have plenty of at bats and is very very good
And here’s the beauty. Verdugo is very good against lefties, 327 average with an 840 OPS last year vs southpaws. Honestly, his injury was a big blow vs Corbin. Verdugo is a OF with 5 years of control, and 3 bwar in a Rookie season with less than 400 ABs.
I Do agree at least one pitcher would be needed, May, Gonsolin, Gray etc, but that start is a ton of value to a team that still wants to win now AND wants to shed 60M in salary….
Betts to Pederson is too large of a downgrade. Pederson is a one-trick pony. Homerun or K who can’t hit lefties. Boston would have little interest there. Insert a high end prospect who isn’t far off tk pair with a more complete player in Verdugo and that would be a start. You guys should have traded Pederson to the white sox when you had the chance!
If you like guys who swing at everything and strike out far too often, Joc Pederson is your guy!
Actually his strikeout rate isn’t bad at all. You could look that up.
111 ks in 514 plate appearances is a lot of strikeouts to you nowadays? Really?
Lmfao 21% K rate, 127 OPS+ in 500 at bats= useless to a non playoff team last year
You sound so so dumb right now
@Commonsenseslapsyou and trading Betts helps the Red Sox compete… How?
There’s few trades that give a net win total to Boston, if you’re just considering MLB value and 2020
This deal has the idea LA is taking Price and his whole deal, allowing Boston to get under the Tax, what seems to be a true goal.
Add in May and someone like Ruiz, and there’s value short term and long term. Verdugo and Joc had ~7 bwar, ~5 fwar. Betts had 6.6/6.8 fwar+ bwar. It’s pretty close to a net equal, and Verdugo missed time.
Furthermore, may is a 21 year old in the majors, was a starter and has flashed FOR potential. Ruiz had a rough 2019 but still shows a solid hit tool and is young for AA
Does it 100% make Boston better in 2020? Probably not. But it still allows them to field a competitive team, with 3 mlb ready pieces… (or 2-3 prospects for Joc, but it seems they want to compete not stack farm)… plus cutting 60M from the payroll and still adding a catcher to the farm
It’s a deal with long term and short term value together. You can’t discount the money. The dodgers aren’t insisting on a 20M/year contract going back, ala Myers…
Yet they would take back $96 million in Price while giving up May, Ruiz, Verdugo and Pederson???
He often draws a walk as well.
Because the players we acquire will add more wins over the next 6 years than Betts will over the next one year.
“There’s few trades that give a net win total to Boston, if you’re just considering MLB value and 2020 ”
And none of those trades involve them losing Mookie Betts.
@JoeBrady if the Red Sox were focused on the next 6 years instead of just 2020 they wouldn’t be interested in Joc Pederson the one year rental.
How do you #2 after you’ve “Lmfa”? Now that’s dumb.
You really think Betts would bat 7th?
I think he was just showing which side of the plate the Dodger hitters would bat and listed them in order of position, not lineup.
Did you think anyone would put Bellinger 9th?
The Red Sox aren’t taking Pederson in a Betts trade. Pederson is a rental just like Betts. The only reason the Red Sox would trade for rentals is if they want to win in 2020 and if they wanted to win in 2020 we wouldn’t be hearing about them trading Betts in the first place. So if anything the Red Sox would see Pederson as a negative in a Betts trade.
You keep claiming this, but they are insisting they want to both compete and get under the line. So joc/verdugo as a platoon to replace betta is an instant corner Of solution. Verdugo is better vs lefties than RHP, Joc mashes righties
Verdugo isn’t bad vs righties, 803 ops. Just better vs southpaws. They complement each other quite well tbh, and a smart manager can find them at bats in most games— to this point, Joc appeared in 149 games last year with over 500 ABs. Platoon player isn’t the proper description of a guy appearing in 150 games
Joc also had a 127 OPS+. He’s hardly one dimensional. You’re just being lazy insisting so
If the Dodgers take Price off Boston’s hands then all the Red Sox will get his Pederson. The only way Dodger prospects go to Boston is Betts coming to LA by himself.
I am not at all sure that LAD, would have any interest in price; but, if they do agree to take him there will be very little going back to Boston in terms of talent.
Boston should shed other pieces and make every effort to extend Betts. How often do you get that caliber of player on your roster?
They could use that 30mil per season to extend other young pieces, reset the luxury tax threshold and be a player for free agents and international talents. He is talented but not worth 30mil a season, he’s just not worth it! Devers arguably had a more impressive 2019 and feel free to look up what he was paid! Bogaerts as well.
Betts making 35 million a year from 35-38
No thank you
If it’s the same braves fans who think they are trading for Betts(off the Mlb pipeline board). I’m sure they have 5-7 untouchables prospects that Boston can’t ask for in the trade.
what board?
Nice use of ameliorate.
I had to look that word up
Ha ha – had to look that up lol
Hedges or Torrens plus Morejon or Luchessi plus Quantril and Wil outta get it done. Hate to lose them but love to gain the Mooks
They want Campusano not hedges or torrents
Okay, we’ll send them Campesinos who have recently experienced Tormentas. Will include the farm labor contractor buses for free.
I do believe this is the holdup. I am a firm believer that Campusano will be our backstop for the next decade plus so I’m ok with no deal.
For any team to take Wil Myers the Padres would have to pay down the $68.5 mil he’s owed to 0 in prospects, cash or both to get started. After that, then you can start with what it would take to land Mookie.
Last we heard, BoSox asking for 50% of Wil’s contract & Pads stating they’ll pay 25%. It would still seem to be an ongoing negotiation and until the end, it’s anybody’s guess what will happen.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or funny. Either way, I got a nice laugh.
2 nice young controllable arms, a solid controllable defensive stud catcher and the aforementioned Wil not good enough for a one year rental? Enlighten us
Finally, a deal I can live with. No paying anything on Wil if they’re not paying on the Mook.
Why in the world would Arizona care to acquire Betts right now? Makes zero sense unless an extension could be reached immediately. What in the world?????
Betts takes over CF which moves Marte to 2B which moves Escobar to 3B.
They’d have one of the better infields with Escobar Marte and Walker.
Bumgarner Ray Weaver Gallen are a pretty good starting 4.
They’d push for a wild card and possibly more if things go right.
To boost their chances of winning a championship in 2020?
Dodgers trading for betts is a scary thought because that might not be a rental. They have the $ and the incentive to be able to extend him long term. If I were boston, I’d ask for a nice return from the Dodgers. I don’t understand the Padres interest because I believe that would be a rental. If LA meets Beantown’s demands, it would be quite the addition to an already loaded team!
“If LA meets Beantown’s demands, it would be quite the addition to an already overloaded team!” Still won’t get your boys a WS title. Go ahead, spend $27M this year. You know your team will never sign him as a free agent—you guys are tightwads. Ought to re-name the team the “Runner-Ups”.
Whoa, that makes no sense at all. And you can say with a straight face that it isn’t smart to point out how this FO has operated consistently for years? Add to that, it isn’t exactly common for a team to trade for a player in their last year of arbitration and immediately extend them. Even teams open to that only rarely do it, and most players, especially a premium player such at Betts, aren’t going to be interested in giving up their biggest and best opportunity to shop their talents on the open market.
You can get that thought out of your head right away. This FO hasn’t extended anybody and they also haven’t guaranteed anybody as much as $100M. Extending Betts would required them to break both rules, big time.
Not smart to look at it that way. You could just as easily say that the Dodgers shouldn’t trade for Betts because they have the $ to sign him. If they are just going to throw money at him then maybe the Padres should want the Dodgers to trade for Betts because that means they have to overpay for him twice. Once in prospects and then once again in $.
As a red sox fan do it Bloom don’t hesitate pull the trigger
There’s no proposed deal in place to say Yes to.
For Dodgers fans….who are the untouchables for LA? Gavin Lux? One thing to consider….if they use Verdugo, May and others in a deal to land Betts — does this put an end to their pursuit of Francisco Lindor? What if cleveland gets serious about moving him at the deadline? They wouldn’t have the capital to get it done. I value Lindor over Betts because of his position. Let me know what you think!
They have enough for both.
Keibert Ruiz can be the centerpiece for Betts
Alex Verdugo can be the center piece for Lindor.
Say you trade Keibert Ruiz,Tony Gonsolin Edwin Rios ,and Jordan sheffield to the redsox for Betts. Red Sox get catcher of the future, 1B, and pitching help.
Then you trade Alex Verdugo, Jeter Downs, Edwin Uceta, and Connor Wong to the Indians for Lindor.
It’s possible to do both. Somewhere in there red Sox or Indians could both use Joc Pederson as the last part of any deal.
MIL traded 3 top 100 prospects for 5 years of super cheap Yelich. The Sox are not getting 2 top 100 guys plus 2 more very good prospects for 1 year of full price Betts.
I’d imagine the deal would be Ruiz +++, and the quality of the rest depending on how much salary BOS takes back (better return if Pollock is in the deal, not so much if it’s Joc or Taylor or Hernandez).
Yeah, but the Marlins are stupid.
Johnsonville, that package will not get you Francisco Lindor.
While it is possible to do both, your proposal for London is the biggest disgrace I have ever seen. Your Betts package isn’t a whole lot better. You have them not trading their best young players and prospects and yet getting two of the five or so best players in the league. Really bush league.
@Commonsenseslapsyou Joc certainly provides no value to a non-contender (which is what Boston is if they trade Betts) because he can be a free agent after 2020.
Boston would tell LA to keep Pederson or trade him to someone else and ask for another prospect instead.
The Red Sox aren’t taking Pederson in a Betts trade. Pederson is a rental just like Betts. The only reason the Red Sox would trade for rentals is if they want to win in 2020 and if they wanted to win in 2020 we wouldn’t be hearing about them trading Betts in the first place. So if anything the Red Sox would see Pederson as a negative in a Betts trade.
The only reason the Red Sox would trade for rentals is if they want to win in 2020 and if they wanted to win in 2020 we wouldn’t be hearing about them trading Betts in the first place.
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This is the at least the 3rd time you’ve posted this, and it is not true.
Betts projects to a 6.6 WAR in RF. Pederson and a platoon partner project to 4.2+. The difference of ~ 2.5 is unlikely to be the break point for the RS. Either Sale, Price & Eovaldi are going to have good seasons, or we will fail.
If those three repeat 2019, all the Betts in the world won’t help. If they repeat 2018, then a downgrade from Betts to Pederson likely will not keep us out of the playoffs.
JS, Verdugo and Joc were over 6 bwar last year, almost 7. Hate on them b/c they’re not one complete player, but to think they provide no value is just laughable
Plus 2 high end prospects and 2 fat contracts off the books?
@JoeBrady bro the Red Sox missed the playoffs by 12 games last season and the Rays will be even better in 2020. If they want to make the playoffs in 2020 they need all the immediate wins they can get. No Betts, no 2020 playoffs.
The RS playoff chances revolve around the rotation, not Betts.
You keep claiming this. And you keep sounding so so wrong
Your pitching is WAY more important than your RF
You need sale, eovaldi, Price(or May if trade happens)
No pitching, you get the 2019 Red Sox. Betts or no
Moneyballer. I don’t think the Dodgers want to trade Lux, May or Verdugo.
@MB. Seems like Lux is not going anywhere. 2nd in baseball by MLB pipeline that just came out
May, they value very very highly. He’s 23rd in the pipeline rankings. He has front line potential and is 21
Verdugo had a good year but they wanted to trade him as recently as the start of 19. So he’s prolly available, but again doesn’t mean he has no value
Ruiz, Gray, Downs, even W. Smith, Gonsolin are potentials to be big pieces in a deal. LA has 6 top 100 guys and one of the top systems in all of MLB, with an MLB Team that won 106 games. They have a lot of flexibility
Red Sox are more concerned about the luxury tax, which is why they’re trying to unload Betts and Price.
Sox aren’t getting more than 1 top 100 prospect for Betts who everyone knows has 0 interest in an extension and wants to test the FA market. Ruiz Gonsolin Rios and Sheffield is about as much as the red Sox can hope for; dodgers aren’t the only team that could use betts, you have to outbid the Padres Dodgers and practically every team. May isn’t even an option for the Sox who couldn’t get the Padres to offer up Gore OR Patino even with the Sox taking Myers back.
Lindor has 2 years of control left. Downs ranks 44 currently on mlb top 100 Verdugo is a former top 30 prospect with 5 years of control coming off a solid season. Downs gives the Indians an immediate replacement in the system for Lindor and Verdugo fills a major need for a team who’s lacks OF help.
If you think the Indians and Red Sox could fetch more you’re delusional and have not paid attention to recent trends. Betts has 1 year, Lindor has 2, and they’re not cheap in the least. Betts is making 27 million and Lindor is essentially on a 2 year 40 mill contract as his price this year is 17 mill and he could easily push for 23 mill or more in his final year of arb.
Johnsonville, The Indians are not looking to trade Lindor unless overwhelmed and your package is not overwhelming. Yes, Verdugo would fill one opening while opening up a bigger need at shortstop. Verdugo also has injury concerns. Cleveland is not planning to rebuild so they can and will keep Lindor for 2o2o unless given a reason not to.
Johnsonville, you have to look at the plans, needs, and goals of teams other than the Dodgers. If you do that, you would see that your proposal would not work for the Cleveland Indians.
If I was the Red Sox, I’d take May, Verdugo, and a “B” prospect for Betts in a heartbeat..and I’m a Padres fan.
This is off topic, but…
Is anyone else having an issue on these forums all of a suddenl where you can’t reply to your own threads (or any replies under your threads)? Also, I can’t see my thumbs up count either, there’s just no thumbs or Reply button on any of my posts or the sub-posts under it.
Yeah this site is run by amateurs. It’s just one stupid decision after another regarding the constant changes they make. It isn’t even consistent. For some articles the option to edit, reply, etc. is available, for others those options simply are not there.
Have you tried asking to speak to the manager?
Been about a week for me now
The RS have a history with LA doing trades that benefit both. I definitely can see that happening. I heard Betts wasn’t wanting to stay in Boston, n he may like a less intense baseball city. That is my thinking IMO. I just wish it will be over soon it’s giving me a headache. Lol
Bring the Brockstar back!!!!!
Go away already
Mookie Metts
Bookie Metts
It sounds like the Red Sox want to trade Betts and Price for lesser prospects to reset the CBT, I don’t which team wants to take on that much money for 1 year of Betts and Price’s underwater contact.
Mets would do it.
Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.
Ameliorate?!
Holy moly . . .
Someone’s been studying a thesaurus.
Seriously? Has nobody here ever read a book? You know, a magazine with a hardcover, no pictures and 300-500 pages? How can you people never have seen or heard the word ameliorate?
Ameliorate (verb): To masturbate inspired by the memory of Amelia Earhart.
I’ll believe Betts is traded when he is. Lots of talk but I honestly don’t see it happening.
Why is that? Boston is not serious? They are. Teams won’t meet their demand? More likely. If they only get a QO pick for him that would be a massive front office failure.
Boston isn’t dumb, they will get 2 top prospects back in a trade for Betts. They can easily sell Betts as a extension candidate and Dodgers will buy that because they have every intention of signing him long term. For all those LA fans who think they can just pawn off pieces they don’t need or non-elite prospects, think again. There will be some pain involved here prospect wise but you’re in win-now mode. Pay the Red Sox, then pay Mookie it’s the only way.
Bro, it’s been repeatedly reported Betts wants to go to the open market, no matter what
No one believes he’s signing an extension before he tests FA and no one is paying for it
Dude, stop it.
No one believes Betts is signing an extension and no one is trading for him in order to “gain the inside track to signing him” or whatever.
Define top prospect. Because if you mean someone like lux, then that’s obviously wrong as lux for betts 1 for 1 isn’t even a fair deal for the dodgers
Lmfao 2 top prospects? The Six have the pressure to sell. The dodgers don’t need Betts
Don’t forget that the Dbacks have a few DH weapons in the minors, as hefty throw in players to sweeten the pot. Boston can have both Yasmany Tomas and Kevin Cron, since our previous GM forgot the NL rules. One is cheap and the other is only expensive for one more year. Think about it. It’s a pretty good deal if you get a 3-4 prospects also, especially since one of them is likely to replace Betts at least in the homer category. Plus JD probably stills knows how to play OF.
The Dodgers have the fit but I don’t think they want to move on Betts. I could see a deal centered around Betts for Verdugo, Gonsolin and Mitchell. The Sox get a solid, all around OF to plug in to the Betts hole and two young pitchers that can help this year or next. The Dodgers top young talent stays out of the deal.
Good article, but I find it funny that certain writers for mlb trade rumors use words that no one in the human race uses such as “ameliorate” which just means to make something better. Why? To make them seem more intelligent than the reader. Ridiculous
Probably just just to upset you efficaciously.
‘What about that other word I invented, ‘dukelicious?’ No one’s using it? What a duketastrophe.” ’
Boston could move Pederson I know St Louis could use him even if it’s one year to see how some of there young OF play.
I don’t think Arizona is anywhere near a realistic landing spot for Betts, but the reason has nothing to do with AZ’s available trade assets. Their farm is top 5 in baseball and the only reason they are considered worse off than LA or SD is that they don’t have a top 10 prospect like Gore or Lux right now.
The fans on here over valuing Betts trade worth has me laughing. They want a team to take on 27 mill of salary and the Dodgers to give up Lux, May, Ruiz, Pederson, and Verdugo+ more? Rental trades aren’t worth that any more. Joc and Verdugo for Betts. Verdugo is a Rising all star with 5 years of control. Joc can hit you 30 plus this year. Betts for 1 year where he won’t sign an extension isn’t worth mortgaging your teams future for like trading away May or Lux etc would. If his market were that high he would’ve already been traded.
No one has brought up a proposal involving all of those players. You’re making things up.
I don’t know where you are coming from with your rant. May is the only guy you mentioned that people think they will get and I agree is not realistic. Pederson is a platoon player. Verdugo is NOT a start. He is the Dodgers version of Andrew Benintendi. A good, all around player but NOT a star or budding one.
If you are going to go overboard on a rant about people overvaluing Betts, don’t make the same mistake overvaluing Dodgers players.
We don’t know how Verdugo is going to play out, but either way we should know that it’s highly unrealistic to argue that a fair price of one year of Mookie Betts must be five years of another player like Mookie Betts. That just isn’t how it works.
It’s an exaggeration on what some of the fans think 1 year of Betts is worth
Everyone here has been quick to dismiss Boston’s acceptable of Pederson but fail to realize the Sox have a rather empty cupboard of outfield depth.
Amazingly, even sans Betts the Sox lineup is still potent enough to keep the team in contention. Of Sale reverts back to a semblance of his form, and they get anything out of Nate and ERod continues trending up, the team can still make some noise and compete for a WC, and they require bodies in the outfield to do this.
Pederson would hit 40 jacks at Fenway, cover some ground and not cause immediate attrition for the OF.
Exactly. But the Sox aren’t going to get all these top prospects that fans are expecting here as they shouldn’t.
Lux isn’t moving, at all. I believe a deal could be made for one of Ruiz/May and perhaps one top 50 prospect or 2 top 100 along with Joc.
It’s one year of Mookie. One, because he’s not going to stay. If done before the season, one and the draft pick gained from the QO. He’s a terrific player, but he’s not cheap, and anyone can get injured. How much prospect talent do you want to gamble for it? Or how much controlled rostered talent? Boston has every right to demand the moon for him, but the basics still apply.
Betts is the best RF in baseball and arguably the second best position player. One year of him has significant, rare value.
And also you cannot so haphazardly dismiss the value of getting a head start in the the negotiations for a new contract by allowing him the opportunity to learn your organization and city. Sure, he’s “testing the waters” and perhaps there’s a team who will give him a richer contract than Trout, albeit doubtfully, and this is his right. But you can’t ignore what a leg up a team like LAD would gain by acquiring him early and soft soaping him all season.
It makes zero sense to someone like the Padres who wont re-sign him anyways. Dodgers make more sense if they already plan to offer him the most in FA anyways which I am sure they will as its LA, unless Yankees want him as they will always pay the most. That said I agree with you that every deal proposed so far is an overpay as its still a rental.
Betts and Price would give Dodgers the best chance to finally win a World Series.
If the padres get rid of Myers how do you know they couldn’t resign betts ? Do you know all the money coming off the books for the padres next year !
I think it’s more about whether Betts would want to sign with the Padres. He could probably get paid as much or more to sign with a team that has a better chance to win. I think part of the reason Machado signed with the Padres is because winning isn’t a huge priority for him. I base that on the fact that he openly admits to choosing to slack off in games and says that will never change (as if his lazy approach to the game wasn’t obvious anyway). He isn’t much of a competitor. The Padres have a talented farm system, but the organization in general has yet to show they can turn that into success at the highest level, and Preller does not have a history of making smart decisions as a gm. Quite frankly, he should have been fired a long time ago.
question: has any article reported the book ia closed on BoSox in terms of cheating thanks to Cora? I haven’t yet run across that.
That could imply the BoSox need to trade Betts now. Reason being if after the season he’s given the obligatory QO, the BoSox might just forfeit that pick no matter what round. Meaning they would get less than zero in return. Not sure what ir could mean as events play out but I have a sense there is even more motivation for him tp be moved now not later.
The whole fiasco just bytes! I just wanna watch & follow baseball not Peyton Place or Court TV…bring back PEDs, they were more fun & everyone in MLB played that game.
I’ve wondered if Verdugo and Stripling could get a deal done for Betts and Price with no cash going to LA.
The Dodgers would have a good shot at extending Betts, or re-signing him, to keep him in LA and stay on top of the NL West and likely the entire NL. Boston would have two controllable players that could help them contend while simultaneously getting them under the threshold.
I have no idea if the salary owed to Betts and Price combined is too high for a return like that, just about right, or not a factor (or if Boston would need more in the return), but any differences could seemingly be hammered out.
Sox take that in a heartbeat.
Betts will look great in Dodger blue!
Betts would never win a WS with the Blue baseballers. Like going back to the goat curse in Boston. See you in 100+ years!
If that was the offer I think you would see a deal. I don’t believe Dodgers do that without the Red Sox taking on a good chunk of money, which may be a non-starter. Maybe if the Dodgers at in a next tier prospect or two like White, Santana or Gonsolin.
If Dodgers sign Betts to a contract worth close to Mike Trout’s then the two highest paid players in MLB would play in LA.
If, if, if—wake up and smell the ambience of Chavez Latrine. Baseball god Mike Trout’s name should never even be spoken in the same sentence with Doyerville. Mike chose the Angels because he only goes with best life has to offer. Arte Moreno is baseball’s best owner. The Guggizillas are the worst.
Betts needs to be traded because Boston is smart enough NOT to offer him a bad contract and thats exactly what Betts will get some team will give him a ridiculous contract and he is NOT worth it…so trade him now and move on
And you fools continue to eat this garbage up like it is new news. These writers have nothing left to “scoop” so they keep rehashing the same stuff over and over…. all just speculation. NEWS FLASH…. the RED SOX are not trading Betts unless a team completely overpays for him….. this means the Padres would have to include Gore and others, the Dodgers would have to include Lux, May and more….. so unless either of those teams are stupid enough to do so…. then Betts will be playing for the Red Sox at least until the trade deadline.
This is typical trade banter. The Red Sox are coming in too high and the teams inquiring are coming into too low. The Padres are not going to put in Gore and the Dodgers are not going to put in May. The Sox are trying to land on the next level of quality talent; with the Padres Patino and Naylor and the Dodgers Verdugo and Gonsolin types. The Red Sox are going to need a starting OF back and probably a good SP prospect and another decent pitching prospect to get a Betts deal done.
The Sox should ask to examine the Medical Records for a one time top prospect sent to the Padres in , maybe the Kimbrel trade, Anderson Espinoza. I don’t think the Padres would have taken anyone with issues but I do think he may attend ST this season. A Padres fan would know.
I’m sure the Padres would like to make a trade with the RS. Let’s see it happen, before ST. We need a pitcher, an outfielder and a few close to ML Ready prospects.
Myers was a productive hitter and may benefit from having JD M in the same line-up,
just as Betts and Machado would benefit from having a 2-3 in the line-up like them.
Verdugo, Pederson and Maeda, for Betts and Price, straight up.
The. Red. Sox. Don’t. Want. Joc. Pederon. The. One. Year. Rental. You. Stinky. Smelly. Moron.
Verdugo, Pederson, and Maeda will have a higher combined WAR next year than Betts & Price.
And assuming Verdugo plays CF, the RS trade JBJ. The net of those two trades frees up ~ $55M.
Sorry man, but you just aren’t reading the situation right. The LAD would have to be drunk to make that trade.
The fair valuation of the trade is not measured by WAR but by excess contract value and how it meets the needs of the teams involved. Unless you buy into the sky-high value some are putting on Betts, his excess value isn’t huge.
I would do that over the Padres trade proposal all day long as a Red Sox fan.
Exactly and the point of this trade proposal (which based on the dollar values involved is arguably quite favorable to Boston) is that the Dodgers could well afford to make this trade and hold the payroll under the CBT. If the Padres trade for Betts and succeed in unloading Myers then it will be major reality check time at Chavez Ravine.
So you think the Dodgers should make that trade to prevent the Padres Myers albatross contract and adding a 6 plus war player?
I think if the Dodgers got Betts it would put them as a toss up with the Yankees for Odds to win the World Series maybe even a slight favorite.
@JoeBrady If Verdugo, Pederson and Maeda will have a higher combined WAR in 2020 than Betts and Price as you say, the Dodgers wouldn’t make that trade. They wouldn’t DARE. That would be making themselves worse both now and in the future.
That’s why I said “The LAD would have to be drunk to make that trade.”. I think we’ll get real value for Betts, but we aren’t clearing the table. And, if we include Price, we’ll get something, but no difference makers.
Tatis
Pham
Betts
Machado
Hosmer………..
……I’d take that……..
Sounds good but move Hosmer to the 8th spot.
Well again the point of any trade is to improve a team. This one should be well within reach for the Dodgers, especially if the Red Sox are even considering taking on Myers in trade for Betts. The Dodgers could beat that offer easily by giving them a solid LF bat, and a pitcher who can supply lots of good innings at a very moderate cost. It wouldn’t be exciting to have Price but he could work as a swingman, a role that chafes on Maeda, who is practically begging to be traded. Verdugo would be a tall price to pay to put whipped cream on the sundae but I am discounting his value some due to his injury situation.
Sorry if this is confusing but I still can’t reply to any of my own posts or any that replied to my post. Is anyone else having this problem? Very annoying.
Also having this problem. Get the feeling that it was put in place on purpose.
I could see a Dodger Trade with Pederson, Maeda, and Ruiz going to Boston seems pretty fair to me the Red Sox will get there catcher of the future save money to try and get below the lux tax and the Dodgers get the best right fielder in the game. The Dodgers would be dealing from a position of strength at catcher seems pretty fair and the Red Sox don’t have to take that Myers clown.
at least you can’t argue with yourself anymore…..and that is a good thing.
I think Mookie Betts should sign with the Chicago Cubs because they need him more than any other!
I think the Las Vegas Raiders ought to trade for the Mook—he can show them the inner-workings of how to make smart Betts.