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Latest On Josh Donaldson’s Market

By Jeff Todd | January 7, 2020 at 7:52pm CDT

7:52pm: MLB.com’s Mark Bowman looks at the situation from the Braves’ standpoint, reporting that there’s some doubt that the Braves have even “come close” to making the top offer to Donaldson.

Similarly, Darren Wolfson of 1500 SKOR North radio in Minneapolis reported today that while the Twins are still in the mix and have made a four-year offer, they’re not believed to be close to Donaldson’s reported $110MM asking price, either (Twitter links). The Twins don’t have the largest offer on the table, per Wolfson, who suggests that Minnesota could be in the $85MM range while cautioning that they’ve not yet been asked for a final offer. The two sides remain in “near-daily” communication.

That pair of reports at least implies that the Nationals might have made the biggest offer, although that’s strictly reading between the lines in speculative fashion. It’s worth noting, of course, that the Nationals have a tendency to bake deferred money into their contract offers, which weighs down the present-day value of said offers. Plus, with their recent bevy of infield signings, there’s a bit less urgency to add another option to the pile — even if Donaldson is easily the best of the bunch.

Today’s reports on Donaldson at least cast some doubt as to just how close — if at all — he’ll be able to get to his reported $110MM asking price. It’s clear that there are multiple staring contests underway at present, and the revelation that Donaldson’s camp hasn’t asked for final offers doesn’t exactly suggest that a resolution is imminent.

7:00am: Even after a run of free agent additions that plug quite a few holes with veteran players, the Nationals do not appear to be shutting the door on top remaining open market star Josh Donaldson — at least, not entirely. The Nats could still make the third baseman fit, but evidently won’t be the team that ups its bid to land him.

After agreeing to terms with Howie Kendrick, Starlin Castro, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Eric Thames, and with youngster Carter Kieboom waiting in the wings, the Nats could in theory have bailed out of the Donaldson auction altogether. But that assembly of pieces hardly makes up for the departure of Anthony Rendon. And the D.C. organization surely doesn’t wish to allow the division-rival Braves a chance at retaining Donaldson without paying full price (and then some) to do so.

After yesterday’s reported deal with Thames, the Nationals remain “in the picture,” Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (via Twitter). Indeed, the club is “leaving [its] offer on [the] table,” Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports on Twitter. Precisely how that offer matches up to others isn’t known with specificity — reports had suggested the Nats, Braves, and Twins were in the same $100MM ballpark — but it surely helps Donaldson’s cause to keep that avenue open.

Donaldson had been said to be dangling bait to interested teams, indicating he’d sign with the first club to meet an asking price in the vicinity of $110MM. Unless something changes, it seems the Nats won’t take the hook. It remains to be seen whether some other team will. Likewise, unless the defending World Series champs withdraw their bid, the Braves, Twins, and any other pursuers (Dodgers? Rangers? mystery team(s)?) will presumably need to meet or top that number to get a deal done.

There certainly may be some momentum towards a return to Atlanta. The Nationals are at minimum preparing to move forward without Donaldson. The Twins’ hopes are said to be dimming. And it’s largely unclear whether any other team has or will engage Donaldon’s reps in earnest. Numerous observers have cast the Braves as favorites, though as ever it’s inadvisable to view free agent matchmaking as a metaphorical horse race or political contest. Market circumstances can turn on a dime.

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  1. bravesfan

    5 years ago

    This needs to end today. Look, he’s hurting others in the FA market by withholding (some teams are waiting to see if they will have cash to pursue others) and we have a pretty good general idea of what his contract value will be. Just pick the team… on a side note, if it’s not the Braves and ends up being the nats or Phillies “I will burn Utica to the ground” – Michael Scott

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      Settle down Michael
      No reason to resort to Arson
      Once JD decides all that money that teams had been holding back on will flood the remaining free agent market and we will have more news than we have time to read.

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      • jleve618

        5 years ago

        Not an office fan eh?

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          No Not Really

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        • bravesfan

          5 years ago

          The office is awesome and it hurts that the reference went unnoticed by so many.

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        • trollie fingers

          5 years ago

          “You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. -Wayne Gretzky” -Michael Scott

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        • todd76

          5 years ago

          I figured it was a Spartacus quote. Since Donaldson gave himself the “bringer of rain” nickname from that show.

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        • WAH1447

          5 years ago

          @bravesfan awesome! The office is one of the best shows I definitely noticed it

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        • StandUpGuy

          5 years ago

          I hadn’t heard that the Phillies even made an offer. Have they? I thought the Rangers, Dodgers, Twins and Nats were all more likely suitors than the Phillies. Considering the Nats are refusing to up their offer, the Twins are “pessimistic” about signing JD, the Dodgers faded away awhile ago and the Rangers have basically stopped negotiations and taken themselves out of the running, I don’t see how a team that is less likely than any of them to sign JD like the Phillies would even be considered a top suitor. From my understanding the Twins, Nats and Braves are the only 3 teams that have even made a ballpark offer that he would except. He has said all season and off season that he wants to stay with the Braves as long as “all things are equal.” It seems like he is trying to see if other teams will up the offer enough to make it worth it for him to leave Atlanta. I think that is obviously not happening and he is going to sign with the Braves for roughly the same that the Twins and Nats offered. I hope the Braves don’t pay too much though. I was hoping it would be something like a 4-year eighty something million dollar contract but that might be out of the question now. My guess is that both the Twins and the Nats offered more than the Braves but not by enough to make him jettison his preferred team. On a 4 year deal, I think $90 million is about all I could stand considering his age, injury history and recent playoff performance. I cringe for whichever team signs him when thinking about how he could perform at age 37+ on the 4th year of that deal if he gets paid over $25 million for that year alone. As a Braves fan I love JD but he is too old to pay a ton of $ to and also completely block the futures of Riley and Camargo. Camargo is a serviceable enough third baseman to play a band-aid role until Riley figures out how to hit the slider. If that doesn’t work out then other 3rd baseman will be available by the time that is obvious. I don’t want to block either of those guys permanently unless the price is right. Only one of them can play left field while JD is at third. The only way to change that is if the Braves are expecting to move JD to first in a couple years and let Freeman walk in free agency. I think that would be a mistake. Freeman is younger, better and such a leader of the team that he is one of the few players that deserves to be a Brave for life. Freeman is the closest player we have had to Chipper Jones since… Well… Chipper Jones.

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        • bhambrave

          5 years ago

          Not really in the mood to read a book tonight.

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        • Javia

          5 years ago

          Weren’t there several articles a few weeks ago saying that JD had 3 different offers in the 9-digit range? I guess that was just a bunch of crap.

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        • StandUpGuy

          5 years ago

          Ha! Just as I had hoped the Twins are “in the ballpark” with an offer suspected to be around $85 million. That offer is probably higher than the Braves (because Donaldson informed teams they would have to beat the Braves offer in order for him to sign there. Why would they even make an offer that didn’t fit that discription?), the Nats offer is probably the highest but also heavily deffered, per usual for the Nats. The Braves probably offer close enough to the Twins with no deffered money. My 4 year $80-$90 million contract guess seems to be correct with the Nats going over but heavily deffered. As I have always said: JD is going to choose the Braves or Nats. More total money with defferals for the Nats or more upfront money he can invest himself with the Braves. The Twins have obviously not offered enough $ to pry him away from Atlanta and the Nats have made other safety nets because they have lost hope in him accepting their all time worst MLB record defferal policies. These $100 million contract offers that have been reported are an illusion (with the exception of maybe the Nats who would deffer 40% over a decade which reduces the value of the contract since the Nats could invest JD’s cash and receive the profits while JD cannot. Not to mention inflation). JD is probably going to sign a 4 year deal with the Braves for somewhere between eighty and ninety million. Probably more than eighty million. Maybe less than 85 million. Not a penny more than $90 million. The only way he doesn’t do that is if he buys into the idea that it is okay for the Nats to make money off the interest of his cash over an extended period of time. Considering he wants to be with the Braves, the Braves are likely to pay him more cash upfront than the Nats and “the Twins are pessimistic” about signing JD because they aren’t going to meet his demands and make him an offer that will blow him away enough to make him leave the team he has repeatedly stated he prefers to play for, does anyone disagree with me?

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        • getright11

          5 years ago

          Lay off the meth StandUpGuy

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        • Fuck Me Bitch

          5 years ago

          Less is more.

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        • bhambrave

          5 years ago

          The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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        • dirkg

          5 years ago

          And if we have to defend ourselves, I will stab the security guard in the eye with a jumbo chalk.

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        • chippahawk

          5 years ago

          My thoughts exactly, zzzzzzzzz…. Just go away then JD! Stevie nicks couldnt have said it better than “stop draggin by heart around”

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        • chippahawk

          5 years ago

          It’s all just a cat and mouse game at this point, sadly greed won’t be karma though.

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        • WideWorldofSports

          5 years ago

          TLDR

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        • chicagofan1978

          5 years ago

          Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick

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        • retire21

          5 years ago

          Kevin!

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        • sidbream1991

          5 years ago

          Well… that escalated quickly.

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        • Iago407

          5 years ago

          Dude is there any reason at all why you refuse to put paragraphs in posts that long, or are you just writing to get all of your thoughts out and have no care whatsoever if people actually read them?

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        • Reggie Bars

          5 years ago

          Donaldson is not going to take one less dollar out of loyalty to the Braves. And you really thought they would get him for 4/80? Yeah right.

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        • StandUpGuy

          5 years ago

          I said 4/80-90. And yeah, I don’t think the offers have been quite as high as everyone previously expected. Everyone says that the Twins, Braves, and Nats are all in the same ballpark and now it comes out that the Twins have likely only offered 4/85. I am pretty sure the Nats have the top offer but knowing them it is deffered. The Braves are probably around the Twins offer. He’s definitely not getting the 110 he asked for and I doubt he would even be pushing for that and waiting if the other offers were even that close. If teams were really offering 100 or 104 straight up nondeferred, I doubt he would be waiting this long and risking them rescinding the offers for a mere mill or 2 extra per year.

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      • Jcool90

        5 years ago

        Who cares damn. Grow up, stop acting like a little kid bud.

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    • hotchkiss

      5 years ago

      This ends the minute the Braves top the Nats’ offer already on the table. Just pay the man Atlanta, c’mon already. 4/$120 and he’s all yours.

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      • adc6r

        5 years ago

        I thought it was the first team to 110. are you really trying to hamstring your team with 10 extra million?

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        • hotchkiss

          5 years ago

          What the heck, make it a Braves’ special, 4/$130. Go Twins.

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        • Priggs89

          5 years ago

          An extra $10M over 4 years. I think they’ll survive.

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      • bravesfan

        5 years ago

        You know, I think 120 is an overpay and I’d be a tiny bit upset about it. But the braves would show we are in win now mode, which would definitely be worth it in my opinion. So I say go for it, write the 120 check!

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        • hotchkiss

          5 years ago

          So the $120/$130 is a bad joke. But this Nats fan agrees w you, Braves have to show they’re in it to win, I think it’d be very bad optics to let the Nats get JD esp since he wants to stay in Atlanta. And yea, JD, this is tiresome, just sign already. BTW I wonder if Nats’ offer is really on the table, kinda surprising that Lerners would permit Nats to exceed CBT imo but what do I know. Still I think Nats may have backed up their offer just as they did w Harper last year.

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    • HartnellDown

      5 years ago

      It would not just randomly end up being the Phillies

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        5 years ago

        Doubtful, but they do need a 3B. Kingerey would make a better CF. I don’t think they’re willing to go over the luxury tax this year though. And 4 years is a lot for JD.

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        • crumpy24

          5 years ago

          I think their 3B situation is fine. Play Kingery there until Bohm establishes himself. If Bohm struggles then find a 3B or a CF at the deadline, and put Kingery at the other position. They have so many more issues than 3B.

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      • bravesfan

        5 years ago

        He was linked to the Phillies some before they paid a bunch of other guys. So although you’re right, it’s unlikely… it’s not random

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    • spinach

      5 years ago

      Who’s he holding up, Todd Frazier. Hysterical Braves fan.

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      • Old User Name

        5 years ago

        JD is keeping the ToddFather from getting an offer he can’t refuse.

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      • bravesfan

        5 years ago

        He’s holding up teams like the braves diving into other potential guys because they don’t know if they will have the budget for it. Ex.) Ozuna is in the braves radar. He needs the braves to have a final decision on JD to know if he’s a likely target for them. If JD signs with the nats, the braves suddenly might be more in the market for him… therefore driving his price up. It’s good for him. Ok the flip side, braves need Jd to make a decision so they know for a fact if they need to alter plans and go after a guy like Ozuna. This isn’t rocket science. Of course I’m overreacting and embellishing a little. JD doesn’t owe it to anyone to make a decision today. But I as a baseball fan would like to see it. I think they longer players are signed with a team the better it is for every prior to the season

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        • Priggs89

          5 years ago

          You realize both parties can end this right now, right? If the Braves were that concerned, they could just meet his asking price instead of slow playing it.

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        • todd76

          5 years ago

          Unless Ozuna can play a mean 3rd base I don’t really see a spot for him beyond next year. Acuna is going nowhere anytime soon and Pache/Waters should be ready for 2021. This Donaldson thing is getting tiresome. Just put Riley/Camargo out there to battle it out. I wouldn’t be surprised if Riley hits 30 homers.

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        • RLD

          5 years ago

          Agree. make greedy Josh Donaldson an offer and move on. If he signs fine, if he doesn’t, Riley can play 3rd and hit 30+ hrs. I hope Camargo gets his head on straight by spring training. I think he quit on the team last year because he was angry about a lot of things. I think Duval does fine this year, if he gets the abs., he will hit 30+ hrs. I think the Braves pick up a relief pitcher or to, like Vizzy if he hasn’t signed and invite them to spring training.

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        • gravel

          5 years ago

          Greedy? JD understands the business side of MLB. The 3B market is weak this year, and he knows this is his opportunity to get paid. Good for him trying to maximize his return.

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        • Jim Emmons

          5 years ago

          Would you say that if he was asking for $125 M and / or 5 years? He clearly was emboldened by Rendon’s package but he is not Anthony Rendon. This could be ended, as you say, just as fast with him lowering his demands. He’s over pricing himself.

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        • KeyWestBraves

          5 years ago

          I agree. I love the Braves and would love to have JD back, but I don’t have any hard feelings that the man is trying to get paid.

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        • Alex Marko

          5 years ago

          I’m still waiting on you to explain how Riley is going to hit 30 hrs striking out at sliders.

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          A player’s development is not static. As the word development impies it progresses over time.
          So in answer to your question,
          he will learn the MLB strikezone as he gets more familiar with umpires allowing him to reduce the Ks and see less sliders…
          off the top of my head as a non Cub fan

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    • chound

      5 years ago

      While I seriously doubt his offers will get any better and signing sooner then later makes sense, the reason you listed is beyond ridiculous. He isn’t hurting anyone but the fans that have no patience whatsoever.

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      • adc6r

        5 years ago

        Thank goodness for these message boards that give everyone a chance to vent eh?

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    • wordonthestreet

      5 years ago

      Michael JD has no obligation to the FA market. Get real.

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    • Les Chesterfield

      5 years ago

      I hope he goes to the braves. 4 years 120 mill sounds fantastic to me. Braves have a scary deep system and the smallest budget of the bidders. Love to see a 30 million dollar contract rotting on their payroll !!! I can hear the window slamming shut from here : )

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      • babybears

        5 years ago

        honest question, do you even like a team or do you want everyone to suck?

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        • Les Chesterfield

          5 years ago

          Reds baby!

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        • 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

          5 years ago

          Hahahaha garbage team

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      • RLD

        5 years ago

        I hope the Braves don’t sign him for 30 million a year. Offer him 4 yrs. 100 million and move on. Take it or leave it.

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        • Gocubsgo1986

          5 years ago

          Yeah I totally agree As a cubs fan who really wants to pillage that farm system

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        • think it thru

          5 years ago

          How bout 4/90-25×2,20×2 with incentives. Keep the pen.

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    • Appalachian_Outlaw

      5 years ago

      Why should he be worried about another player’s bank account? I’d take my time, get the best offer I could, if I were in his position. I doubt if he pursues another contract after this one that his fellow free agents will be thinking, “I need to sign so Josh can get a contract.”

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    • heater

      5 years ago

      You only seem to be worried about news. Donaldson signing or not signing isn’t really putting a damper on anyone else signing. No one is at the level of potential commitment. Plus each and every free agent is free to sign at anytime.

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    • bravesfan

      5 years ago

      I’m overall really disappointed in people missing the office reference, although mad respect to the few that did!

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    • Randy Red Sox

      5 years ago

      No kidding. Who the hell does Donaldson think he is – Babe Ruth ??

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    • jim stem

      5 years ago

      You mean like pretty much every other top tier free agent, every year? Lol.

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  2. Tazbk

    5 years ago

    My guess is Nats have highest bid and he is waiting for Atlanta to top it. Minn probably has a higher one than Atl as well but that is likely his preferred destination.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      That would explain the extended “deadline period”. The trouble for the Donaldson representation is the price goes up when other FA sign elsewhere. But, aside from the Nats recent spree of journeymen hole fillers, not many teams are signing players. Even better the on IS signing anyone is already a primary bidder with no motivation to raise their bid.

      This is a classic Boras strategy- try to outlast the market till desperation shifts the bar higher. They have now hit the ceiling for the market. Tis about trying to milk that last 5-8 Million out of the signing team.

      All we can hole for is that no one steps up with more money or it could be February before Donaldson signs..

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      • hotchkiss

        5 years ago

        Classic Boras strategy being executed by JD’s agent …who’s name isn’t Boras. Other commenters are correct imo, to end this Atl simply needs to stoke that big check. Or risk watching him play 19 times in a Nats jersey if he’s not on the IL.

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          I just said it was a Boras Strategy not that Boras was his agent… LOL
          although i could be forgiven if I had since the Nats are carrying so many Boras clients

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        • hotchkiss

          5 years ago

          Oh yea, right, we saw that Boras strategy play out w Cole….w Stras…w Rendon. Hmmm, maybe that strategy is every- other-year negotiating posture?
          But you are correct that Boras reps many Nats clients, they’re sporting dazzling new rings this year, woo hoo.

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    • Robust Scouting

      5 years ago

      Meanwhile, John Mozeliak and Michael Girsch are perusing the streets of Tokyo looking for talent.

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      • woodguy

        5 years ago

        Easy there!!

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  3. uvmfiji

    5 years ago

    I hope the Nats call the Braves and Twins bluffs. Not exactly big spenders or risk takers.

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    • vacommish

      5 years ago

      It’s the Nats who are bluffing to get the Braves to spend more. Doubtful they are still in on Donaldson. This is gamesmanship at its best.

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  4. afsooner02

    5 years ago

    just waiting to see which team is stupid enough to massively overpay him. his last 2 years are going to be painful to watch.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      He will most likely DH the last two years of the contract no matter where he is

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      • nreeves1268

        5 years ago

        I take it you believe the NL will adopt the DH, sooner rather than later?

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          It’s already being talked about with a timeline of two years. Personally I do NOT want the DH in the NL

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        • wv17

          5 years ago

          Me neither but if even if that doesn’t happen it’s not like they have a long-term solution at 1st. He can slide on across the diamond in 2 years.

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        • nreeves1268

          5 years ago

          To be clear, I’m not a fan of the DH either.

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        • RBI

          5 years ago

          Braves have a long term solution at 1b – it’s Freddie Freeman.

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          AS it should be
          May it be so

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        • SoCalBrave

          5 years ago

          @RBI I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the gNats

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    • Robust Scouting

      5 years ago

      You mean much like 99% of the other 35+ year olds in baseball?

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    • spinach

      5 years ago

      Why are they going to be so bad?

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    • wordonthestreet

      5 years ago

      Why would his last two years be painful to watch? You think he will be a stud the first two years then just fall off a cliff?

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      • Robust Scouting

        5 years ago

        It wouldn’t be the first time to see a guy in his mid 30’s fall off a cliff with his production.

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  5. twinsfan368

    5 years ago

    Let’s go twins get this guy and pay him 110 mil we need him

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    • virginiascopist

      5 years ago

      How much more power does the Twins’ lineup need?

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      • adc6r

        5 years ago

        They need to get a couple of table setter to go with all the Free Swinging power

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      • hyraxwithaflamethrower

        5 years ago

        They lost Schoop and Cron, so the lineup got a little worse. Regression is also expected if MLB goes back to a normal baseball. Plus, with that rotation likely getting worse (unless Hill somehow manages to stay perfectly healthy once he gets out there), that lineup might have to score a lot of runs for them to win.

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        • spinach

          5 years ago

          Twins could easily miss the playoffs, division is still pretty lame though.

          Royals should sign Donaldson, make things more interesting. He’d be a fit on the field and in their payroll.

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      • heater

        5 years ago

        Probably quite a bit with Homer Bailey in the fold every 5th day!!!!

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  6. adc6r

    5 years ago

    If the Nats do sign Donaldson there are still a couple of things to work out.
    > Who might end up on waivers at the start of the year?
    -the trick here is this could be a salary reduction move. If a team actually claims someone like say WIlmer Difo, Micheal A Taylor, Adrien Sanchez or Andrew Stevenson. While these are not high salary players, allowing them to be claimed would provide some payroll relief to get them closer to being under the luxury tax.

    > Who will be included in a trade from the MLB roster?
    Similar principle to the first question but also has the added element of picking up prospects or less expensive MLB players (hopefully controllable ones).

    > With 3 1B (assuming the Zimmerman deal gets done) and three 2B how will time be divided at these two positions
    -We can pretty much pencil in Asdrubal at third most of the time if JD does not go to the Nats
    But if he does sign. it may come down to who is hot at the plate and who is playing better in the field. Factor in matchups and we could see quite a few different looks

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  7. twinsfan368

    5 years ago

    Are the bats over the luxury tax???

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    • twinsfan368

      5 years ago

      Nats*

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      • adc6r

        5 years ago

        Not yet but this signing would put them over for now

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  8. cheesemanforever

    5 years ago

    Brewers could use him and have the payroll flexibility especially after Braun comes off the books next year.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      Yes but the penny wise Brew Crew have determined the 9 decimal places is one too many

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      • cheesemanforever

        5 years ago

        Shame to waste three more years of Yelich control on so-so talent

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  9. Rerand

    5 years ago

    At this point, I hope the Nats bid is only there to prop up the market for the Braves to overpay. But conversely, with the Twins out and the Nats stocking up infielders, it may be that Donaldson’s priced himself out of the market. If Anthopoulos is smart, he might get him for a discount.

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    • ForestCobraAL

      5 years ago

      There isn’t anyone in the Braves or Twins organization that believe the Nationals are still in on Donaldson. The Nats just spent the Donaldson money.

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      • adc6r

        5 years ago

        The Nats current payroll including the recent spree is 165,487,282 according to spotrac.com If we were talking 35MM they would be up against it but the signings in the last week have been fairly economical and leave the Nats with room for both Donaldson and Zimmerman

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        • A-A

          5 years ago

          That doesn’t $165m figure doesn’t sound accurate for their luxury tax #

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    • 60yearfan

      5 years ago

      Betting on the last sentence about AA waiting

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  10. JoeBrady

    5 years ago

    “indicating he’d sign with the first club to meet an asking price in the vicinity of $110MM.”

    That’s interesting, because it is also rumored that he will give the Braves a chance to match any offer. Both those statements cannot be true. So why would MN and the Nats increase their bid if they think Donaldson will only take it back to Atlanta. I think it is counter-productive.

    And IMHO, why would anyone sign Donaldson for $27.5M if they could’ve had Cole for $35M? If I expected to get to the playoffs, I’d much rather have an ace for the opening game than having Donaldson in the lineup.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      Both can be true if he considers giving the braves the same notice as other team’s then telling them if someone does match his price demand. . Of course it is also possible the match period is just over

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    • Dexxter

      5 years ago

      Is it just me…. or is Donaldson coming off as pretty arrogant with these negotiations.

      I mean a lot of guys got a lot of money for sure… but seems like other factors than just “pure highest contract” played into the decisions of others. Doesn’t seem like the case here.

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      • adc6r

        5 years ago

        I think it is more a combo of Agent and Player chemistry.

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      • JoeBrady

        5 years ago

        The most amount of money seems to be the case here.

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        • macstruts

          5 years ago

          Why is it greedy to take as much money as you can get? This is Donaldson’s first and last big bite at the apple.

          This will be the first time he’s ever been guaranteed more than one year’s salary.

          He should take his time.

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        • JoeBrady

          5 years ago

          It’s not necessarily greedy, but IMO, these things tend to be short-sighted. Bay signing with a bad Mets team, in a stadium that hurts his offense and defense. Cano signing in a place that doesn’t favor his nightlife, and with a club that might not ever make the playoffs. Clemens signing for an extra $250m/year to play in TO, instead of playing in a place close to where he lives.

          By the time Donaldson retires, he’ll have made close to $200M. If he likes Atlanta as much as he claims to, would it change his lifestyle one iota if he made $180M instead of $190M?

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      • RunDMC

        5 years ago

        How is Donaldson coming off as arrogant? But even if he was – is that so bad? Most predictions were around $75-80M – now we’re up to $100M, possibly $110M. Man has essentially made $20-25M just by being patient and letting the market develop (IF you believe in those preliminary predictions AND he signs somewhere near his current asking price).

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        • Dexxter

          5 years ago

          Yeah I don’t know. Just my perception… which is of course based on nothing other that what’s reported in the media.

          Just seems like Donaldsons process hasn’t been as straight forward as other FAs. Or he’s telling teams contradictory things to maximize his contract.

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    • RunDMC

      5 years ago

      Maybe, just maybe 9 years is more than 4 years. But I don’t know. Public education could have failed me. I got to choose what I got to wear to class and my future suffered, so full disclaimer.

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      • JoeBrady

        5 years ago

        LOL! Gotta admit, the casual dress code is a nice perk.

        That said, at their respective ages, I’d bet that Cole fulfills a greater percentage of his contract than Donaldson. I’m pegging him for 2.5 good years, with some injuries as well. I think if the choice is between Donaldson & Wheeler, Donaldson brings more every day value. But with Cole, you’re likely favored in your first playoff game, and that’s pretty big.

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    • splooz

      5 years ago

      “And IMHO, why would anyone sign Donaldson for $27.5M if they could’ve had Cole for $35M? If I expected to get to the playoffs, I’d much rather have an ace for the opening game than having Donaldson in the lineup.”

      Cause there’s only 1 Cole and he was always trying to go to the Yankees? I don’t think missing out on one FA player should preclude teams from getting the other FA players to help. Otherwise the Nats signing Stras, Halos getting Rendon, Phils getting Wheeler are all stupid when they could have tried (and failed) to sign Cole!

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  11. braveshomer

    5 years ago

    us Braves fans really do overload the comment section way more than most other teams lol….

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      I am still here! Go Nats!

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    • Alex Marko

      5 years ago

      That’s because there are more Braves fans in America. No one outside of DC cares about the Nats other than the national media.

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  12. Rangers29

    5 years ago

    I wanna know the record for FA signings in a week, cause it can’t be more than what the nats are doing right now.

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  13. Ghost Pepper

    5 years ago

    Let’s go “mystery team”!

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    • dirkg

      5 years ago

      I think we’d hear more about the Mystery Team if Dan Lozano was Scott Boras. Ha.

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  14. nailz#4life

    5 years ago

    Castro will be NL CBPOY and All Star 2B, and the biggest surprise this team will have this year.

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    • Robust Scouting

      5 years ago

      What exactly is Castro “coming back” from that would make him a candidate for CMPOY?

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      • Gumbo

        5 years ago

        Being average.

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        • Robust Scouting

          5 years ago

          Being average isn’t a category for CBPOY. The guy did have 57 extra base hits in 2019. Not exactly average.

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      • KermitJagger

        5 years ago

        the Marlins

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  15. Gumbo

    5 years ago

    Like I’ve said, no good reason to think the Nats are off of JD.

    They have the $$$, need a 3B, need a 3,4 bat and historically pay the tax. And have a short window with aging Stras and Max.

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  16. crazylarry

    5 years ago

    Nats way overpaid for Strasburg. Killing the market on everyone else. Anyone who pays Donaldson this kind of $$$ will be stuck. Maybe he performs at that level for 2 of the 4 years. Amazing what happens sometimes when a team takes a hard pass and winds up a lot better off on older players. Who is better off now, the Angels or Cardinals with Pujols?

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    • heater

      5 years ago

      Many other teams would have given Strasburg that same deal so can’t really be considered an over pay.

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  17. Les Chesterfield

    5 years ago

    I hear ya! I think these teams talking about getting under the cap are doing media lip service. Red Sox need to get under the cap- just winter media rumors to keep people interested.

    Nationals willing to sacrifice their future financial spending at a greater expense than any other team no doubt. Got to love that if you’re a Nats fan! If they sign Donaldson for 4/120. He’ll get 20 million a year each season and the other 40 spread over 10 years after the contract ends. Love the creative financing by Nats! Harper didn’t want that contract by Scherzer and Strasburg were. Will Donaldson??

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      It’s not going to 120MM
      110 is the number

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  18. Bravesontop

    5 years ago

    My take is that the media is all wrong about this and the reason he hasn’t signed yet is because his offers haven’t gone over 100 mil yet. AA has demonstrated smart financial moves before and he will continue to do so.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      I think you may be on to something there

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    • dirkg

      5 years ago

      I think this the most plausible. The media stirs up the fanbases for clicks and revenue; the real truth is often less dramatic and just a matter of a dollar value. No different than if you were going into a job interview and had a desired wage and also a baseline wage that you would not go under.

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  19. Chris Koch

    5 years ago

    It amazes me the top bat in this FA period asking for 2.5mil a year vs what teams are offering is stopping them from giving the extra 2.5mil a year. Coming off a 6WAR season in the NL East that is stacked with pitchers.
    I hope Milw turns out to be the mystery team. Fits perfectly in to the lineup all 4 years. They haven’t a 3b upcoming. They have the room for this season and with Braun’s contract ending next season, you are essentially replacing his contract with JD’s. You’re looking at 3years left with both Cain and Yelich. 4 with Woodruff and Hader if you don’t deal him. 4 with Narvaez. 4+ with Hiura and Urias. 3 potentially with Lindblom and Garcia. 2 with Kneble.

    You’re 1 SP away to pair with Woodruff to make a realistic WS roster with JD on the roster. Lindblom, Peralta, even Burnes if they find “it” in a season. If they don’t take the risk on JD they are committing 3b to Urias and SS to Arcia and Sogard. What a massive crap-hole you’re playing for 2020.

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    • Javia

      5 years ago

      Do you really think it is just the $2.5 million that is stopping teams? He has already pushed teams well past what they are comfortable paying. If they offered him $100 million he would demand $120. If they offered $120 he would demand $150. They all offered him 3 years. They only gave him 4 because 1 did then everyone else had to. Every team has a point where they are going to say “No More!!!” JD has hit that point.
      If you are willing to pay whatever it takes, I have a used Pinto for you-only $500,000.

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      • Chris Koch

        5 years ago

        The final offer is to be 110. JD has set this waiting for a team to give that to him.

        You have 6-7WAR realistic 3b sitting ready at your doorstep. Last I read 1WAR in FA wasn’t under 5mil per. Pay the man his due.

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  20. Groggydogs

    5 years ago

    Nats should put a deadline on their offer.

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  21. RLD

    5 years ago

    Not so sure the Braves need Ozuna, even if they don’t sign Donaldson. I don’t think it is a big deal if the Braves don’t sign Donaldson and the front office doesn’t either, it looks to me like. I think Riley can play 3rd. just fine and hit 30+ hrs. I think Duval will have a good year. Camargo would be the big question mark for me. It looked to me like Camargo quit on the team last year, at the end of the season. Seems he just didn’t play hard, like he was mad he lost the 3rd. base job and sent to minors. When he got to start at ss, he just looked bad, didn’t try on a lot of plays. I think maybe they should try and get Castellano, he has played 3rd., would be cheaper than Donaldson. Braves are in good shape mostly, they aren’t in a have to mold on Josh. The bullpen { closer } may be the biggest problem.yet. I think Wilson will help the pen, could emerge as the closer. Soroka, Fried, Folty, Cole H. and Newk will be the starters.

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    • Alex Marko

      5 years ago

      What part of last season indicates to you that Riley will hit 30+ homers?

      Also, they have at least 3 All-star closers in the bullpen, Greene, Melanchon, and now Will Smith. What team have you been watching exactly?

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      • floridaman

        5 years ago

        Uhh, the part where he hit 18 HR in 297 PA….. Sure, it may come with a 35% strikeout rate and a 5% walk rate, but 30+ HR is definitely possible if he is given a chance to start 130+ games

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    • bhambrave

      5 years ago

      “I think maybe they should try and get Castellano, he has played 3rd.”

      If by saying “he has played 3rd” you mean that he was a concrete fence post with a glove attached, then I agree with you.

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      • Alex Marko

        5 years ago

        lol

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    • samthebravesfan

      5 years ago

      Riley would be lucky to hit 20 homers with his strikeout rate.

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  22. johndietz

    5 years ago

    Since they decided not to overpay on pitching, maybe the Angels should sign Donaldson to play 3rd and shift Rendon to 2nd. THAT would be a disgusting lineup for ANY pitching staff to face.

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  23. SalaryCapMyth

    5 years ago

    I get the impression the momentum for Donaldsons market doesnt have anything left. The team with the highest bid isn’t going to bid against themselves if another team doesn’t beat their offer and so far his gambit to get one of them to step into his preferred price hasn’t worked.

    It might be now that the longer he stays on the open market the more it hurts him. While teams aren’t withdrawing offers, that is only a matter of time as they turn their attention to other issues.

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  24. bhambrave

    5 years ago

    The Braves should do the Anti-Nats thing and offer a front loaded contract rather than deferring money. 35/30/20/20 with an opt-out after year three. The Braves need to resign Freddie in 2022, and Acuna’s contract jumps to $15M.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      5 years ago

      They can do that but that only helps with cash flow and not the CBT. MLB takes the average cost of the full deal and spreads it out over the length of the contract, so that deal still counts as $26.25 per year against the CBT thresholds, regardless of his annual salaries each year.

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      • bhambrave

        5 years ago

        They don’t need help with the CBT. The Braves’ 40-man CBT total for 2020 stands at $157M, so they’d still be way under it if they signed Donaldson. They need to balance their commitments year to year, and front loading would do that.

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        • Stealing Signs

          5 years ago

          The Braves are owned by Liberty Media, They don’t NEED to balance their commitments year to year like a smaller market team would need to.

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        • bhambrave

          5 years ago

          Logically, you’re right. They probably still think that way though.

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  25. 920kodiak

    5 years ago

    Wouldn’t Frazier for one year, with Kieboom, be a better and more cost effective move, for Washinvton

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      Cost effective?
      yes…
      Better?
      Not reall

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      • 920kodiak

        5 years ago

        I was just trying to emphasize the 1 year vs 4 years, when saying better. It would also allow Kieboom time to develop to “when he is ready”.

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          I understand. But I still don’t think it would be better in this case, especially where all the remaining potential 3B are in there careers & especially on defense for most of them…

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    • Timmers123

      5 years ago

      I think there’s a teammate issue w Eaton and Frazier, too. Unsure that mix would play well in WAS’s recently-gelled clubhouse/culture. But who knows.

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      • 920kodiak

        5 years ago

        You might be right. I vaguely remember something akin to that.

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      Not even close.

      Do you know who Josh Donaldson is? If you think Todd Frazier is even remotely on his tier, you are incorrect.

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      • 920kodiak

        5 years ago

        One year of Frazier with Kieboom over four years (age 37) for big dollars with Donaldson was really the point that I was making.

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  26. Backatitagain

    5 years ago

    Need to just let Josh Donaldson go to the Nationals. Thinking about a five for two trade with the Indians where Jose Ramirez and Mike Clevinger come to the Braves and Austin Riley, Christian Pache, William Contreras, Kyle Wright and Touki Toussaint go to Cleveland.

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    • Alex Marko

      5 years ago

      How long have you been on drugs?

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      Look I know the offseason has been sparse for trades, but once everyone signs and we get into Spring Training and injuries start happening and contenders start panicking, then we will start seeing the blockbusters. Patience. No need to make stuff up…

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    • dirkg

      5 years ago

      If you had a Native American mascot swap where the Braves throw in Chief Noc-A-Homa and the Indians throw in Chief Wahoo, you might get that deal done.

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    • hockeyjohn

      5 years ago

      Backatit, you can think about it all you want, but it will never happen. Cleveland is not trading Ramirez or Clevinger.

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  27. Dorothy_Mantooth

    5 years ago

    Although they play different positions, JD’s hold out is impacting both Ozuna and Castellanos as well. Teams like Atlanta and Texas are waiting on his decision so they can move on to Plan B (signing an OF). While Texas claims they are out of the JD running, I find that hard to believe and think they still would love to add him to their team if the money makes sense. He has set his asking price so if teams won’t meet it, he still needs to make a decision. It would seem Atlanta is in the drivers seat here, but if Texas finds his asking price palatable and offers $110M, he will sign there. I don’t see him playing in Minnesota regardless of what their offer is.

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    • Alex Marko

      5 years ago

      Texas is out of it.

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      It has absolutely nothing to do with those and hello? Is this your first rodeo? Last year everyone signed in Feb and March, this year almost everyone is signed by early Jan. There is no market hold up whatsoever. What a shortsighted post.

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    • Les Chesterfield

      5 years ago

      I like arenado to Texas. Prob get him for a guy like tarveras if Rockies are really willing to trade him. Rangers would have to eat the whole salary.

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      • foreverseahawk

        5 years ago

        texas didnt have enough money for rendon, and you think they will trade prospects and pay 35 mill. a year for the next 5 years then 32 and finally 27 for his last year for arendo??

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  28. GOP Lizards

    5 years ago

    Greed is good.

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  29. Dbird777

    5 years ago

    I think he’s positioned himself just the way he wanted. The 110 mark will turn the Nats and Twins off, then when they declare themselves out, he’ll sign with the Braves for less.. Like he’s wanted to all along.

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    • wildthing vaughn

      5 years ago

      Not seeing that at all. Nats will keep offer on the table regardless just to hamstring the Braves if he does go back there. If he really cared just about being a Brave, he would have signed long ago when there first offer was made. Like every person he cares about his future. He is still trying to milk teams for all he can and who can blame him. Braves fan though believing this is a ploy to stay a brave are sadly mistaken.

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    • wordonthestreet

      5 years ago

      Dbird … so he is planning these scheme so he can sign with the Braves?

      If he wanted to sign with the Braves he could just have done it at anytime.

      Sorry to tell you but unless the Braves pony up JD is gone!

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  30. Erik

    5 years ago

    I’d be wearing a Twins uniform if I was Donaldson. He’s gonna regress hardcore possibly after 1 year into a 4 year deal. Take the 85 million and be happy with it.

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      Why would he regress? He’s Josh Donaldson, not some one year wonder.

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      • Begamin

        5 years ago

        age

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    • wordonthestreet

      5 years ago

      Erik you probably said the same thing about JD last year too

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  31. DakotaExpert

    5 years ago

    Seems like he’s maybe overplayed this a bit

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  32. Strike Four

    5 years ago

    The Nationals need Donaldson the most, he’s a legit elite player and after Soto and Turner, their entire batting order could sink or swim – JD makes them look like a much bigger offensive threat. The Braves already have plenty of those, but I also think the Braves will get Bryant, as they have more to trade than Washington does and isn’t as desperate to throw $100M on the table for him.

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    • The Human Toilet

      5 years ago

      Braves make a ton of sense for Bryant and got the pieces the Cubs would want and need from them, but so does the Dodgers.

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      • Les Chesterfield

        5 years ago

        Lol. I’m sure Theo will get top dollar for Bryant. Still though, all 30 teams will have enough talent to acquire them if they wish. Be a Kyle muller headliner if it’s Atlanta

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      • Samuel

        5 years ago

        The Braves have called up some of their prospects from the rebuild, but have even more quality prospects in their farm system.

        The Braves can be a sustainable contending team for the next 5-7 years. They’ve already won the last 2 NLE titles, and the youngsters already in the majors can develop more with additional coaching and playing time.

        Why do they need to endanger that by rebuilding the Cubs for 2 years of Bryant – and paying him far more then they need to?

        A big bat at 3B or LF to hit behind Freddie is nice. But what the Braves need is to improve their starting staff. They have a lot of good young pitchers. They need to work with them and give them the ball. Not trade them away.

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        • Jbigz12

          5 years ago

          If AA is any good he should know which of his young pitchers to keep around and which one’s he can deal. They have enough to make that determination. They have another blocked young infield prospect in Shewmake to add to any potential deal. If AA knows what he’s doing, they have enough ammo to keep a great team on the field for the next half decade+ and get a Bryant or whatever he decides to deal for.

          Not to mention that Theo Epstein/ Jed Hoyer haven’t been the best talent evaluators in recent times. I might not mind making a deal with those two at this point.

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  33. phantomofdb

    5 years ago

    So Donaldson told the twins he doesn’t have interest in playing there because he doesn’t want to go to Minnesota…

    Yet they’re still in daily discussion despite their being Almost 30 million under his asking price? Something doesn’t quite add up.

    More evidence all the reports that continually come out of Minnesota that “nobody wants to play there” Are garbage.

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    • The Human Toilet

      5 years ago

      It is BS, Donaldson will sign with the Twins if they are the top bidders. Minnesota while cold, is still not this terrible place to play.

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      • Backatitagain

        5 years ago

        Actually Minneapolis is the worse city in America. If it is still America.

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        • MoRivera 1999

          5 years ago

          Please elaborate. I don’t like cold places but worst city? No. Just no.

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        • Jbigz12

          5 years ago

          Let’s try not to take a worst city in America claim seriously next time.

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        • AssumeFactsNotInEvidence

          5 years ago

          NO JUST NO! How dare you say this is the worst city in America! Please write me a 15 page thesis paper on why Minneapolis is the worst city in America. Until then I will not be satisfied with your claim!

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          I have been to Minneapolis before and it is far from the worst city in America.
          Be a player not a hater

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      • wordonthestreet

        5 years ago

        You are just full of hate. Explain why Minneapolis is the worse city

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  34. brave from the woods

    5 years ago

    Why do I feel in some way that the Braves are gonna come away from all this completely empty handed and hope Riley/Camargo at 3rd & Markakis/Duvall can make up for the loss of a power bat. Frankly, I’d be worried about my chances of doing any better than this past season if I’m depending on that group. Hopefully Riley can learn to hit the off speed stuff if this does happen.

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    • Samuel

      5 years ago

      Good point!

      Riley was up for 2-3 months in 2019. He had his chance. 22 years-old now. He’ll never amount to anything.

      Don’t waste a roster spot on him. The Indians are having a fire sale and they’re not smart like you are. Offer him even up for that Bieber guy. They’re dumb enough to do it!

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      • iml12

        5 years ago

        Riley is a young player that struggles with strikeouts and did a pretty bad job making adjustments. I don’t think he’s saying to give up on him or he can’t become a really good hitter but it’s probably not happening over night. The Braves are built to win now, so it’s a risk banking on him next year.

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      • AssumeFactsNotInEvidence

        5 years ago

        Excuse Samuel. He hasn’t mastered the art of a good troll yet.

        Samuel—you’re going to need to find a worse post than this to really dig your troll claws into. You’re just trying a bit too hard here. But hey pal, keep on trying!

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  35. Rumncoke

    5 years ago

    If he wants 4 years. Let him walk. ATL be fine without him.

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    • BravesCanada

      5 years ago

      They really won’t.

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      • braves fan 138

        5 years ago

        I don’t mind giving him 4 years but if he isn’t willing to take a massive discount to play in the south let him walk. The Braves are the best team set up for future success in the mlb, we do not need this contract screwing that up. Max I say 4 years 92 million anything above that, let’s go Austin Riley!

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          That would be reasonable offer in the current market.
          Unfortunately the only number I have seen for the Braves is in the mid 80 range. hence the hold up.
          Of course who knows what’s gone on behind the scenes the last day or two…

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  36. samthebravesfan

    5 years ago

    Just sign with Washington already, Donaldson.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      You know the negotiations have gone on too long when one teams fans says “just sign with the other team already LOL

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  37. BenjiB24

    5 years ago

    Can we stop this cruel game!
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=TADO5wlgKqg

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    • BenjiB24

      5 years ago

      …W.W.B.D.(What Would Boras Do)

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  38. Vizionaire

    5 years ago

    3/90 plus a 30 mil option for the 4th.

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  39. 99socalfrc

    5 years ago

    My guess is Atlanta offered him 4/74 that’s $10m more than Moose got. Minnesota has probably offered more but Donaldson wants to stay in ATL. Braves have his nuts in a vice right now.

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  40. All American Johnsonville Dogs

    5 years ago

    There should be a rule that says once a free agent receives a formal offer they 6-8 weeks to pick the suitor.

    It’s not fair to drag out teams off seasons and hold up free agency.

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    • Padres458

      5 years ago

      Lol wtf.

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    • Finlander

      5 years ago

      How about Atlanta lowers their offer by 2M per day. That would get his attention.

      As much as I’d like to see him playing in Minnesota, for his badly needed defensive skills just as much as his bat, he’s probably staying in the NL east..

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      • wordonthestreet

        5 years ago

        Yea sure lower it by $2m every day and see how that works out for your team. Just absurd

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      • impactrookies

        5 years ago

        If they did that, that would all but gurantee he doesn’t sign there. Horrible idea. Free agency is like dating, if you don’t show them the attention and care they seek there’s no chance they ultimately accept your wedding proposal.

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        • Finlander

          5 years ago

          If my date is playing me, I play right back. Difference between a veteran and a rookie.

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    • impactrookies

      5 years ago

      Why isn’t it “fair”‘? There are no rules here, JD and any other free agent can wait as long as he wants. Sorry if this makes you sad but I doubt they care at all. Kimbrell didn’t sign until the first week of JUNE. You must have been miserable last season.

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  41. Lee cohn

    5 years ago

    The Phillies are sadly not mentioned in any of the above rumors.They have a third baseman coming up in 2020 that is considered a decent prospect. But where are the whispers regarding trades that are being discussed involving Phils and other teams involving starting pitchers? Do they seriously intend to compete with the Nats, Braves and even the Mets with their current staff? Fans better be ready for a repeat of 2019.

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    • bhambrave

      5 years ago

      If there’s one sure thing in Baseball, it’s that there are no sure things. Did anyone seriously expect both the Red Sox and the Cubs to miss the post-season last year? Who knows? Maybe the Phillies will go 95 and 67 next year and win the East?

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      • mecousinvinny

        5 years ago

        One thing you can count on Marlins – Pirates – KC – Tigers and Baltimore will all lose 100 games

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        • The Human Rain Delay

          5 years ago

          Sweet lets set that bet up online ill take it you can count on that

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          I don’t think you can count on that. The Marlins are always a team bursting with young talent. The thing about young talent is it tends to emerge unexpectedly. The Pirates seem to be a team forever in transition but they are not exactly devoid of there own talent. for them to loose 100 they would have to suffer some injuries to there starters. KC is is in the same boat. Baltimore is the one I would peg as the best chance to loose 100 because the crop of prospects is a little further away than the other teams…. The Tiggers I am not sure of what’s going on at all.

          If I was a betting man I would only bet on Baltimore losing 100. But you give them another top 5 pick in the 21 draft as well as what they will get this year and they should be a force in ’22 or’23 with a deep farm system

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    • mecousinvinny

      5 years ago

      Philly needed another starting pitcher It looks like Atlanta – Nats – Mets – Philly and well the Marlins

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  42. Fuck Me Bitch

    5 years ago

    Pitchers and catchers report in 5 weeks. Crazy.

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    • wordonthestreet

      5 years ago

      Why is it crazy? They report in Mid February every season

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  43. impactrookies

    5 years ago

    You know what is going on here? Donaldson and his reps are trying to squeeze interested teams and those teams aren’t flinching. Braves want him back but they are at their ceiling in terms of payroll and simply won’t approach 9 figures for his services. The other teams do not want to bid against themselves. I think he ultimately takes a 4yr 92-100m deal. Slight raise but the 27.5 avv isn’t happening. Maybe a team will, gulp, give him a non-guaranteed 5yr team option to bump it up to 110m. Teams could also put in language/incentives to guard against a rapid decline in the later years of that contract.

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    • Moneyballer

      5 years ago

      You are most likely, right on here!

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      • braves fan 138

        5 years ago

        I concur

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    • Finlander

      5 years ago

      Spot on with the 5th year option. It seems an AL team might be more likely to consider a 5th, having the DH safety net. But JD has apparently signalled he is not going to MN. So why not Texas? They might go 5. Their team is getting interesting in that division, especially since the Kluber addition. Houston is taking a step back, and CA still doesn’t have playoff pitching. Oakland will be playoff competitive only if the talented young starting pitching has recovered from injuries. No state income tax with Rangers, new stadium, it is warm, and it might be fun to see him continue a rivalry with Rendon’s team for years to come in the AL west.

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      • adc6r

        5 years ago

        “AL team might be more likely to consider a 5th, having the DH safety net…”

        All indications are the DH will be in the NL before the end of his four year deal so that is a moot point. I also don’t think the fifth year is much of an incentive. I am betting this is the contract that will carry him into the next phase of his life called retirement… at least until someone offers a job as a hitting coach.

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      • RBI

        5 years ago

        You asked “why not Texas” – because of the artificial turf at the Rangers new stadium. Donaldson blames his injury struggles in 2018 on the turf in Toronto. And at his age, that would seem to only make injuries more of a concern.

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          A logical Answer but the turf technology is much better now than in the Astroturf days. there is much more cushion to the turf that comes close to simulating the real thing, as opposed to the Carpet over concrete version that shortened many a Montreal players career

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          Donaldson probably transitions to DH in 2021 anyway. Considering his 2018 injuries happened first at Camden Yards and then at Fenway Park I’d say he can tolerate a season at 3B on turf.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      I think you have hit the nail on the head. In so many ways all things are balancing out. The Braves Nationals and Twins have gone up to the desired contract length but the Twins have the lowest bid. The Nats have the highest bid, But Atlanta is means not uprooting yourself and starting with a new Org.

      So effectively the Twins are just potential leverage for the other two teams. The Braves seem to have reached their limit and have no motivation to increase their offer nor do the Nats who hold the top bid.

      This is why we saw the reports of Donaldson dangling out 110MM “buy it now” price, hoping to bring a new or even better a mystery team into the bidding. Happily, this ploy seems to have failed because it was executed to late in free Agency. But agents always are obligated to try for the one stupid owner principle…

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  44. toastyroasty

    5 years ago

    As sick as I am of hearing about this guy, I will be even more sick hearing about him this summer if he’s not in a Braves uniform. Get the deal done

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  45. bradthebluefish

    5 years ago

    Should ask for final offers before teams move on

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      I agree. Despite conventional wisdom that says yjr strong negotiating position is to allow the teams to stew till one of them gets more desperate, I see a fizzling of patience on all the squads. I think all it would take is the Twins ( or Nats) to withdraw and decision would be made fairly quickly. That is a big part of why JD and his Reps tried to involve other teams with the 11oMM statement.

      I really don’t see anyone else coming into this.. The only real question is will he go with the Nats offer (the apparent largest offer or will ha make good on his statements about wanting to stay in Atlanta and take less…

      from the way it’s been reported I would guess the Nats Offer is somewhere between 96 and 98MM

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  46. jim stem

    5 years ago

    It’s all posturing and using teams that the player had zero interest in suiting up for to drive up the price. Harper did it. Machado did it. The problem is that teams with no chance are stupid enough to continue to be victimized.

    Does a team like the Marlins or Tigers, even with the highest bid, ever appear to have a chance to ink a top talent free agent? What player wants to commit to a losing franchise for the rest of his playing days? They make the trip, convince the front office that they have a chance to sign the player, they bite, and then they go to the teams they really want to play for and wait for them to beat the “no chance” offers.

    Bottom line is, great players want to win. Once they get their opportunity via free agency to hook up with an aggressive, win driven franchise, teams that seem to simply exist stand no chance. Pirates, Tigers, Royals, Marlins, Mariners, Rangers, Orioles, etc. …they are all just pawns when it comes to free agency.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      Your comment (though I understand the frustration that inspired it) ignores the state of the teams you mentioned. The Royals for example, despite their small diffuse market, are not that far removed from their last World series appearance. and as such can not be termed a perennial loser the Marlins have a bevy of minor league prospects that will be up over the next two years (many of whom you have not heard of, I am sure, but who will have an MLB impact.

      A player signing a 7 year deal (which seems to be the new bar for elite FA) is not going to want to go to a team that will win now but not in 3 years because they maxed out w/o a backup plan

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    • NatsFaninMD

      5 years ago

      “it’s all posturing and using teams that the player had zero interest in suiting up for to drive up the price. Harper did it.”

      You’re right, but Harper did it and he wound up on Philly. I doubt that was his first choice. Or his second. Or third, probably.

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  47. jshorr

    5 years ago

    Anyone offering more than 2 guaranteed years is taking too big a risk in my opinion. Good chance he starts to completely fall off after age 36 if not sooner.

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    • adc6r

      5 years ago

      Not with the DH on the way

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      • jshorr

        5 years ago

        What makes you think he will be a $25 mill per year player at age 37?

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        • adc6r

          5 years ago

          I don’t but it doesn’t matter what I think. It matters what the GM think.
          Cherry picking the last year of contract to say it’s not worth it has nothing to do with whether or not the Contract as a whole is worth it

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  48. PasstheTums

    5 years ago

    If Donaldson wants to resign with the Braves, which he has apparently said he does if the money is right, he needs to get it done before the Kris Bryant case is settled. Assuming Bryant loses and is under team control for 2 years, he becomes a younger, cheaper, less risky 3B option. The Cubs desperately need young controllable starters, a center fielder, and salary relief. The Braves could help them with all of those things.

    Assuming the Braves could get Bryant without including Riley in the deal, Riley could start the year at 3B at AAA. If he learns to hit breaking pitches, Bryant could be moved to the OF. If the Braves sign Donaldson for 4 years Riley would be blocked from playing his best defensive position.

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  49. BartoloHRball

    5 years ago

    I suspect a team will offer 4/$100m with incentives for making the all-star team, top 5 in MVP, playoff series MVP, etc….and have those equal another $10m, so that JD can say a team hit his number, and a team can look good by getting their man and not “caving”. If JD gets even half of those incentives he’d be having a great year and his contract would look like a steal (for that year at least). His 3rd and 4th years still worry me.

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  50. GabeOfThrones

    5 years ago

    4-100, with de-escalating salaries: 30, 25, 25, 20. Covers for eventual regression. Seems simple. Get it done, Braves.

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  51. lasershow45

    5 years ago

    Who’s the guy that blasted JD last week for not signing with the Braves? He was all upset and made me laugh

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    • Natsman1

      5 years ago

      Jesse Daughtery of the Wash Post reported yesterday that The Nats have “all but moved on” from Donaldson.

      Braves fans, he’s all yours.

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    • Natsman1

      5 years ago

      Btw someone yesterday claimed that Minneapolis is the worst city in the US — what?! They have obviously never been to Baltimore. Damn, if you drive thru there just grip the wheel and hope you make it out alive.

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      • its_happening

        5 years ago

        Minneapolis might not even be the worst city out of the AL Central.

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  52. wheel

    5 years ago

    If JD signs for 4 years, even if it is not the Twins another American League should be whom he signs with in order to eat that 4th or even 3rd year as a DH. As a huge Phillies fan and personal friend of Ryan Howard, look how it played out for Ryan. Yes he got his money but he was not happy how his career ended. Sometimes when you hit a certain age you just can’t make your body do certain things that use to come natural, no matter how hard you work. That age for most players (especially position players$ seems to be about 36.

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    • jshorr

      5 years ago

      Agree with your point. And Howard started declining at Age 30.

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    • Alex Marko

      5 years ago

      In other words you don’t want him to go to your division rival Atlanta Braves.

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      • twinsfan368

        5 years ago

        Nelly Cruz is the opposite because he seems to just get better as he ages lol

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  53. jshorr

    5 years ago

    I’d rather have JD Davis than JD.

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  54. jshorr

    5 years ago

    JD is going to fizzle out like Tulo after he gets is money…..

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