On the same night that Rockies GM Jeff Bridich said that star third baseman Nolan Arenado wouldn’t be traded, the third baseman laid bare his less-than-positive feelings towards the organization. Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post was on the story in both cases.
“I really don’t care what’s being said,” Arenado stated to Saunders. “I just know that I feel disrespected over there.” He offered similarly antagonistic words to MLB.com’s Thomas Harding, writing in a text that “there’s a lot of disrespect from people there that I don’t want to be a part of.”
Arenado declined to elaborate initially. But he noted in a follow-up statement to Harding (Twitter link) that he isn’t upset at being mentioned in trade chatter. Per Arenado: “I’m not mad at trade rumors. There’s more to it than that.”
The source of Arenado’s frustration still isn’t entirely clear. But there’s little doubt the Rockies’ downturn in 2019 features prominently. And his expression of anger coincides with — even if it doesn’t specifically relate to — the trade speculation that has hovered over his name this winter.
The star third baseman has no-trade rights, meaning he’d have to be involved at some point in any trade scenario. Whether and to what extent he has been in communication with the Rockies about trade scenarios is entirely unknown. There has been no public indication that he was specifically pressing the organization for a trade. Arenado’s pointed phrasing from late last season — “it feels like a rebuild” — drew attention, but seems to have been taken out of context.
Whether these new comments will have any practical impact remains to be seen. The sides remain bound by a seven-year deal, unless and until Arenado opts out (after 2021) or approves a swap orchestrated by the team. Bridich’s comments seemed designed to bring this month-long trade drama to a close. But now Arenado has given a tantalizing look into his thinking that’s sure to draw even greater scrutiny to his relationship and future with the Colorado organization.
Garbage organization. Just trade him, you aren’t gonna contend for years. That being said, his splits show him to be a product of Coors, and not worth the asking price if he’s going elsewhere.
False.
His career home OPS is 200 points higher than his road OPS. So yes he benefits greatly from Coors.
Considering nearly every player produces less away than at home, his career .800 OPS away from home is strong. Especially considering the immediate negative effects switching between altitude and sea level is shown to have. Plus, elite D.
He’s great.
True
He’s one of the better players in MLB. Offense, defense. But I agree. They should trade him, unless he wants to be there and then they should get rid of Blackmon and build baby, build.
Uh oh. “We’re not trading him”. No need to. He’ll opt out in a couple years
The OP isn’t wrong.
He’ll always be one of the best defenders in the league no matter where he plays, but on the road, his career OPS is under .800 and both his AVG and OBP are about 60 points lower than at Home. Still above average, but not “best in the game” level.
His stats will average out when he doesn’t have to travel so much to/from Denver.
Either way, he makes every team in MLB better if he joins their team.
This stupid myth needs to die. Coors is a net negative for Rockies hitters. The overwhelming majority (really, all) Rockies hitters that move to a different city hit just as well and often better than they did while in Colorado. Tulowitski is the sole counter example and that was 100% health related (and he actually hit better in Toronto than Colorado the year he was traded).
What examples do you have that people hit BETTER away from Coors? That seems ludicrous.
Yeah, his post is more than ludicrous. It is flat-out wrong.
dj lemahieu for one
Dante Bichette
Lemahieu went to Yankee Stadium, that isnt saying much.
When LeMahieu did join the Yankees many fans said it was a bad signing and he wouldn’t hit away from Coors. LeMahieu and Urshela were the only guys to hit over .300 last season with the Yankees.
They were only 10 guys with enough at bats to qualify who hit over .300 last season in the American League. LeMahieu hit everywhere last season.
0.977 vs 0.818 home vs away OPS last year. Yeah Yankee Stadium is not as hitter friendly as Coors but the home/away split is pretty skewed. Most hitters are slightly better at home some more than others. But ball park matters. Why this is hard for some to understand is puzzling. I know you want to defend your argument but it has no substance.
@diggydugler..Uuuuuuuh you do realize DJ is not a power hitter right? Your comment is irrelevant
He became one in 2019. Matched his best two Rockies seasons for homeruns in one year with Yankees. He had 15 HR in 2018, 11 HR in 2016 while with Rockies, his best two power seasons, He had 26 in 2019 as a Yankee.
Tom Murphy pretty much scorched earth for the Mariners after being dismissed by the Rockies.
But in 2016 LeMahieu had a 1.064 OPS at home and a .747 OPS away (w/ Rockies), in 2018 he had a .793 OPS at home and a .698 OPS away. Some people like sleeping in their own beds and making their own food. I’ve gone on road trips and whether it was fast food, sit-down restaurants, or others cooking for me, it wasn’t the same as cooking in my own kitchen with my own ingredients..
Dante Bichette and Larry Walker are two guys who put up great numbers in Colorado and failed to do so elsewhere.
He hit way more home runs at Yankee Stadium 19 compared to 7 on the road, but he still hit an excellent.318 AVG on the road. That .318 road AVG is higher than any American League players average other than Tim Anderson.
Walker had some good years with Montreal and his road OPS of .865 is higher than Hall of Famers Ken Griffey Jr, Jim Rice, Reggie Jackson, Dave Winfield, George Brett, Orlando Cepeda, Andre Dawson and many other Hall of Famers.
Check in on Larry walker, guy. Also everyone needs to read about the colors effect.
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Have you looked at Judges career splits? Should teams say – not interested, he is over rated, can only hit at home?
IF Arenado was traded to the Yankees he would be like adding a judge+ to the lineup. He has similar offense and superior defense. And yes judge is very good defensively – he is no Arenado!!
Have you looked at Judges career splits? Should teams say – not interested, he is over rated, can only hit at home?
IF Arenado was traded to the Yankees he would be like adding a judge+ to the lineup. He has similar offense and superior defense. And yes judge is very good defensively – he is no Arenado!!
You need to do more research.
Go on….
Do you have more examples of this other than DJ Lamahieu?
I see Cargo, Micheal Cuddyer, Matt Holliday all not hitting as well away from Colorado.
I can’t find any other players making marked improvement after leaving Colorado..
Dexter Fowler
Matt holiday
seamaholic is right.
Rockies hitters have worse than avg. home/road splits that correct themselves when they move to a new team. It’s been studied, is well known and the doubters need to do their own homework, insread of making uninformed assumptions.
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He’s actually wrong. Coors is not a net negative for Rockies hitters. You can argue that their splits are slightly skewed and they are affected more on the road than other teams (like the linked article does), but the massive advantage they have at Coors more than makes up for it. It’s still a net positive, and it’s not particularly close.
Looking at nothing but what you posted, the chart shows just how big of advantage they have. When comparing their performance vs Fastballs/Soft Stuff at Home/Road, the only place where they have an OPS below league average is vs Fastballs on the Road, and it’s only by about 30 points. Versus Soft Stuff on the Road, they are league average. Now look at their performance at Coors – 48 points above league average vs Fastballs and a RIDICULOUS 150 points above league average vs Soft Stuff. That’s still a massive net positive for Rockies hitters at Coors.
Yes, they have a slightly harder time hitting on the road, but that’s only because it’s significantly easier for them to hit at home.
Stupid argument to rationalize road being harder for Rockies hitter. Yeah they get more fastballs at home plus hitting in that huge stadium. On the road you know you’re going to get less fastballs. Big deal. Welcome to the real world. They don’t get any more breaking balls than others. This notion that they have to adjust is idiocy. More like their inflated numbers at home get exposed. Some of these guys are good hitters but they’re not as elite as their numbers would tell you.
Larry Walker career OPS with Colorado 1.044 versus 0.839 with Montreal. Obviously his OPS at home with Colorado was well above 1.000 and well below 1.000 on the road. Matt Holliday career 0.936 OPS with Colorado and 0.874 with St. Louis. Tulo 0.885 with COL and 0.727 with TOR. Cargo 0.865 with COL and 0.606 with Cubs, and 0.615 with two AL teams. Vinny Castilla OPS 0.870 with Colorado and 0.692 with ATL. Andres Galarraga 0.944 OPS with Colorado vs career OPS of 0.846. Ellis Burks Colorado OPS 0.957 vs career OPS of 0.874. Bichette 0.892 vs 0.835 career. Eric Young 0.790 vs 0.749 career. Neifi Perez 0.724 vs 0.672 career. All coincidences I’m sure.
Larry Walker has a higher road OPS than Hall of Famers Ken Griffey Jr, or Jim Rice.
Tulo was the best shortstop in baseball from 2007-2014
If any Dodgers players left LA and joined the Rockies, their home/away stats will be inflated as well.
Even if Arenado OPS’s .800 every year, that defense builds him up to still an elite player worthy to build a team around or add to a stacked lineup. He’s absolutely worth the price.
You’re joking. 0.800 is not very good especially for a 3B. Especially for a 3B getting paid more than $30mm. Definitely not worth the price. He’ll have to rake a lot more than that to be worth $30mm+. Buyer’s remorse. It will be a terrible contract the moment he steps out of Colorado.
Larry Walker was an elite hitter. Nobody questioned that. But he clearly benefited from being at Coors. If you don’t agree with that you’re just a biased Rockie fan. Uh yeah no kidding that it would be the same for a Dodger player. They would have inflated home numbers at Coors too. Who said it would not be the case.
The context was earlier post saying, “This stupid myth needs to die. Coors is a net negative for Rockies hitters. The overwhelming majority (really, all) Rockies hitters that move to a different city hit just as well and often better than they did while in Colorado.”
Ridiculous statement. All the hitters I mentioned hit much better in Colorado, and for many it was not close. This is why I didn’t want the Dodgers going after Arenado. A fine player but he would not put up these numbers playing half his games in LA. You’d be grossly overpaying.
4 of the 5 last seasons, his OPS has been well above .800. His first 2 seasons in 2013 and 2014 is when he struggled to hit on the road. Last year his road OPS was .866. His recent statistics are more important than his stats from 5+ years ago imo.
0.866 is not the same as 1.000 at home. Not sure why that is so hard for some to accept. Coors inflates you’re numbers. Your argument is better if you defend Rockie pitchers. Many Dodger hitters feast at Coors. Where is the it’s hard to hit in the road argument?
I guess you don’t realize Mos everyone hits better at home.
.995 OPS at home
.799 OPS on the road
He’s a great player but those career splits are pretty substantial. I think that he’s an all-star anywhere but is he a $35M a year player away from Colorado?
I do, I think he will adjust just fine outside of Coors. I would not be to worried about it. I still think he can produce a OPS of .900 without Coors.
Eh, a .900 OPS is a bit of a stretch. I feel he could do about .850 regularly, and occasionally touch .900.
Depends on what team he joined. Put him on the Yankees and he may end up hitting 45-50 home runs.
Aaron Judge has similar home and away splits and no one says he is over rated and I don’t think any pitcher sees him as an easy out.
He will deal with it when he’s up for free agency. That said his home/away numbers were very similar this past year. With a big enough sample size I don’t think his numbers will skew as much as COL players since Yankee Stadium is less hitter friendly than Coors.
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This is what I was looking at
He signed on with this dumpster fire. Knowing well what Jeff Bridich hasn’t accomplished as General Manager. Nolan should take a look and the mirror and read his contract over and over again. He took the money with a smile—Deal with the bad team you signed up for.
If you look at wRC+ over the last 5 seasons he is 9th best in all of baseball. Much better indicator of than ops and is adjusted with ballparks in mind
Not sure where you’re getting your numbers. To my knowledge Arenado has never been top 10 in wRC+ and will never be top 10 in the future. 37th in 2019, 22nd in 2018, 33rd in 2017, 32nd in 2016, 41st in 2015.
This won’t end well no matter what what he says when he wakes up and realizes who’s cutting his check..
Coors does play a part in his numbers, but to have production like him you have to be a great hitter regardless. He’s also great defensively and Coors has nothing to do with those 7 Gold Gloves. 40 homers, 130 rbi’s, 180+ hits is not an easy thing to do in any MLB stadium regardless of dimensions and altitudes. If Coors produces super players how come Arenado is currently the only one there with those numbers? Blackmon’s #s are very good too, but not quite like Arenado’s. Arenado is a beast, I’d take his home/away splits with a grain of salt. He was also a .300+ hitter in the minors as well, and even drove in 120 runs in one season in the minors. Worst case scenario, imo, if he leaves Coors he becomes a 30 homer guy, .280 avg, 90-100 rbi’s, Gold Glove caliber player with high contact. His 7 Gold Gloves alone should make any team want to take a risk that he is “not as good” a hitter as he is in Coors
poor baby
Uh oh. He’s going to get traded anyway if not this offseason, then at the trade deadline.
He has a full no-trade clause.
It’s sounding like that might not be an issue.
Disrespect me all you want for $35 million a year
For real. I get shat on everyday and it will take decades for me to see a million. They really need to go back to the days where ball players needed a real job in the offseason. Perspectives will change quickly
Millions of people pay to watch me do my job every day and, oh wait, no they don’t
Good job Rockies. Piss off the best player in franchise history when you shouldn’t have even been shopping him in the first place
That’s a bold statement. Not saying you’re wrong… but that’s bold.
They shopped him because he wants out
Now. Wasn’t the case afaik a month ago
Best player? Todd Helton might have something to say about that.
Arenado’ s defense makes him clearly better than Helton or any other player in the organization’s history.
Let’s look at WAR before posting.
Arenado (38.7) has more than half of Helton’s war (61.1) in his age 28 season.
I just went and refreshed my memory on Todd Helton’s career. What stood out most to me was his 2000 season. It’s not his insane batting line. It’s the fact that some how that batting line finished 5th in MVP voting!!!!!!! Sometimes I forget how bonkers the steroid era was.
Arenado (38.7) has more than half of Helton’s WAR (61.1) in this age 28 season.
Whoa, easy there, cowboy.
They pissed off Larry Walker again?
I was thinking the same thing.
How dare you disrespect a legend like Andres Galarraga. He must be rolling in his god damn grave!
Just like Stanton and Greinke, organization in over its head with huge commitments and owners that aren’t truly committed… now bad situation+ trade for pennies on the dollar to ensue
At least with Greinke the Royals got back a nice package of prospects. The Marlins trade of Stanton was purely a salary dump and nothing more.
Greinke didn’t have a big contract with the Royals. He’s referring to Arizona.
Arizona got a decent package for Greinke. No “top prospect” but several interesting prospects with potential.
A storm is brewing
Yep…bye bye Bridich
we must be missing a lot here. Hopefully more comes out. but until it does, isn’t it the job of the team to see how they could “better” the team? That would mean testing the market to see what they possibly could get for him, no? Doesn’t mean they’d actually trade him
Braves
Shut up and hit
And what are you going to do if he doesn’t “shut up and hit”?
Lmao ok internet tough guy.
You prefer the overpaid rich guy crying to the media?
Is he overpaid tho? Compared to the revenue teams generate?
He yelled at his television, alone in his stagnant living room. A microwave beeps.
Microwave comment made me laugh hard
Hahahaha
If he didn’t we wouldn’t be here.
LOL now he will be traded
Dude will make $300M in his career. If he wanted to leave Colorado, he should have taken free agency.
He needs to thicken his skin. When an organization makes the investment to make you the face of the franchise, you shouldn’t be whining to the press that you feel “disrespected” over little things. And everything is little when compared to the contract you accepted. It would be to the Rockies benefit of he ops out. Can’t wait to see how many teams have $32mm per to pay a corner infielder in FA.
Come on down to the ATL !!!!!
Only player I would be fine to trade prospects for
For the price in prospects, I say pass on that!
Shouldn’t have signed that extension Nolan. Could have walked right over to Los Angeles.
Why do you think his agent negotiated an opt out?
His agent didn’t negotiate the opt out. Bridich insisted on including the opt out.
As odd (unusual) as it sounds, it was the Rockies who wanted (initiated) the opt-out in his contract. Read it in a different story on MLBTR.
Bigger point is they shouldn’t be trying to move a 300M man a year into his “ligetime” contract you talked him into
That plus the opt out insistence kinda shows col didn’t really plan to keep Nolan his whole deal.. Ala Stanton.
Why?
They overpaid him and took a year to realize he didn’t make a difference in the team’s results.
Do players prefer their teams just keep losing instead of trying to get better?
Do fans?
Can I get an f in the chat
I don’t blame Arenado for feeling dissed. You don’t listen to trade offers on your franchise player one year after signing him. What were the Rockies thinking? Things are about to get ugly in Denver.
Guy’s a stud and a good guy to have in the clubhouse. It’s pointing out to be a bad organization in Colorado.
due diligence. chances he was actually dealt were a pipe dream anyway.
Agreed. I doubt he’d have any problem if they moved Blackmon and they got an insane return that makes the team better… but listen to offers on me? I’m insulted.
It’s about timing. You convinced the best 3B to re-sign with you less than a year ago, with a full NTC. Now you’re shopping him? Trust. Gone.
He has a right to be angry.
shopping and listening are two different things.
He has a right to be an even worse investment and hurt the team even more because they tried to get better?
Are you his mom?
Is this guy a prima donna or is the Rockies organization that bad?
The organization is that bad. Nothing in Arenado’s history indicates he is a “prima donna.” Quite the opposite, actually.
The Rockies front office consists of its owner, who made his money in agriculture but dabbles as President of Baseball Ops, and a completely unqualified, arrogant kid who was hired to be the owner’s yes man when Dan O’Dowd quit. It’s tiny, insular, and yes, that bad.
And I’m a Rockies fan.
I would go with a little bit of both
Well that’s interesting Rangers Cards or Braves
Tired of athletes whining about “respect.”
Yep, he’s not actually a living human being, he’s just a monkey that dances for you, so he should clearly be treated as such….
dancing monkeys dont get paid $30 million year.
I mean, nobody is forcing him to play baseball… Unlike the dancing monkey, he’s more than welcome to walk away at any time.
You miss the point. Arenado chose to stay in Denver and put his trust in that organization. He’s probably settled in that city and moved his family there for the long haul. For you to turn things around on him a year later and shop him is a slap in the face. It’s not about the money, it’s about respecting the mutual commitment both parties made. It’s very deceitful what the Rockies did.
@ ChiSoxCity;
Sorry to single you out, but did you read the article?
Arenado said he’s not upset about the trade rumors.
There is nothing in the article that specifically says what it is he’s upset about. I’m sure it’ll come out in the next few days – that’s how these things usually work. Until then, I’m not jumping to any conclusions.
As for his being moved – most teams pretty much have their budgets set for 2020, with money in reserve for in-season trades when they find out what they need. I’m not sure who can suddenly come up with $35m to pay his contract in 2020. Not discounting that he’s one of the top 10 position players in MLB today, that’s a huge percentage for even a large market teams yearly payroll.
This will go on for a while.
It’s possible Arenado may have asked to be traded, but it’s certainly related given the timing of Arenado’s response to the Rockies GM’s comments. Either way, there are trust issues between Arenado and their front office. They should never have re-signed Arenado if they weren’t committed to winning with him on the roster. They probably only re-signed him to increase his trade value, which is just disgusting.
Rockies won 71 games last year. Arenado wants to win now . That’s where it all starts. He doesn’t see the light.
“They probably only re-signed him to increase his trade value, which is just disgusting.”
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@ ChiSoxCity;
OK, I get it…..
The Rockies are awful, and Arendo is an angel. First you wrote that Arendo was mad about being shopped, now you’re say he asked to be shopped.
Take a breath.
Look – exactly how much do you think a team is going to trade to get a guy owed over $300m? Signing a FA for a 2nd round draft pick is one thing – but now you’re supposed to give up at least one elite prospect you’ve drafted, paid a bonus to and are developing…..along with other players?
We know the Padres can’t trade Myers. How much do you think they would get if they put Hosmer or Machado up for trade – unless they paid some of the salary owed and/or included some young cheap players as well?
You want to hate on the Rockies FO and/or ownership, fine. I look at it this way – Arenado signed that contract a year ago. He could have waited for free agency. He took the bucks. The Rockies had no why of knowing if he’d suffer a debilitating injury in 2019. They took a chance.
This thing isn’t working out – OK. Casting aspersions on people without facts seems to be at epidermic levels in this country today.
Again, much will come out in the next few days, and then it’ll take a bit to resolve this. A large part of today’s America needs soap opera’s about others to get through their lives, as so many seem not to have one.
Lmfao you’re horrible
The Rockies told Arenado “we want to sign you for life”. Nolan said I want to be a Rockie for life
A year later the Rockies don’t want to pay Nolan his money- so it’s Arenados fault?? He said- let me stay in Col for life, and I’ll sign. Col is the one changing their tune
The counterpoint to your complaining about how dare teams expect talent back… Arenado is making market value and other teams would value him at a similar rate. He’s not overpaid. He’s not broken down the change is the Rockies support group sucked, their free agents sucked, and now the front office isn’t willing to spend more to fix it. Why are you blaming Arenado at all..?
If your boss said “I want you to work here for life” then 6 months later you overhear him thinking of laying you off… that’s disrespectful
Is it mean to make him exercise too?
Can you explain what the team is allowed to do now that they have given Nolan his deal?
I wouldn’t disagree with your sentiment if he had cause. Until(if) more is said, he comes off as a whiner over his team picking up the phone when it rings.
Pretty naive to think they’re just taking calls with rumors this consistent all offseason imo and Nolan isn’t stupid
He said he wanted to be a rockie for life when he signed. Team has shown they aren’t committed just 1 year in. Pretty weak
I’d argue he’s incredibly stupid.
He could have had his agent manage the trade process to any result he wanted.
Instead he made himself into the biggest whiner this side of DC.
He sounds disappointed that he’s not a St.Louis Cardinal.
Like a majority of players in the league……… settle down people it’s tongue in cheek
Whiny git. He’s getting 35 MILLION pieces of respect this coming year. He needs to thank his lucky stars that his .799 career road OPS backside landed in Colorado or he’d be nothing but a minor star getting minimal recognition..
Wrong, just wrong, he’s a superstar. Watch him play a season then get back to me.
Exactly. When his career ends he will be seen as the greatest all around third baseman in MLB history.
And I’m a Yankees fan but this guy is ridiculously outstanding. He is Brooks Robinson and Mike Schmidt combined.
And before you trash his road hitting check out Aaron Judges splits.
What does Aaron Judge at 8 mil have to do with Nolan?
Do you think Judge would ever be dumb enough to cry about not being loved enough after signing a record deal?
Why does money equal respect until it’s time for a self entitled athlete to whine for even more money?
If he’d waive his opt out, I’d be okay with the Braves giving up some top prospects for Arenado. He’s a perennial All-Star and, at this rate, a future hall of famer. Rockies are rebuilding and we are in the “win-now” mode after winning a couple of division titles. We are close to WS contention and Arenado would solidify that even further.
I’ll take your salary and with it some vague feeling of disrespect. Jeez. Get a perspective.
Feeling Disrespected with the Salary he Makes. !
Ha. Must be nice.
Tony Gwynn. Cal Ripkin Jr. He is Not.
But then again. Rockies are a poor evaluator. They Paid Him. !
Maybe Arenado is trying to force the Rockies to trade him with his comments…. It’s not often a player let’s his feelings known this publicly against his current organization and even more so on his big contract.
Satan laughing spreads his wi-hi-hings
Oh Lord yeah
Dooo doot ….. doo doo dooooooo doooooooo x2
Reading between the lines, it sounds like the team made promises of fielding a competitive ballclub when he agreed to resign. Not only did they do nothing but also dangled him out in the market. The Rockies are a confusing franchise with no clear direction of where they’re going.
Arenado just wants out…
Until he explains why he feels disrespected all of this just comes off as whiny and childish. I doubt the Rockies are treating him substantially worse than they were 12 months ago, when he agreed to accept $270 million dollars from this “awful” team.
I saw a report – don’t know how true it is – that Arenado and Bridich nearly came to blows at his exit interview.
Tired of hearing about him. He wasn’t and won’t be going anywhere unless Rockies come to terms with his value. It’s not a good contract. A trade is either a salary dump or they will have to eat some money to get elite prospects. Coors inflates every Rockies player stats but unlike story Blackmon etc Nolan is the real deal. He has legit hr power. Just his avg and slugging is inflated from doubles and triples that only happen there. Problem is he won’t opt out and how many teams want to be paying a guy in his mid 30’s 30 some million a year. 7 years 200 some million is a big commitment and you have to give prospects up as well? Just cause the Rockies and a lot of people on here ignore home and road splits when giving out money doesn’t mean rest of MLB does.
Please just keep Nolan. Fans love him and I have a feeling if they trade him they will lock up story who is a total product of Coors field. Just sign jordy Mercer and he will put up story numbers. You gave Blackmon that awful contract so just don’t try to move Nolan just cause of other crap signings.
Unlike Blackmon?? How is his contract awful. $18 million AAV for a guy who just put up a .940 OPS with 32 home runs and a .314 batting average. Stop it
You got Blackmon at a discount
If he’s been so disrespected, I’m sure he’ll have no problem OK’ing any trade or opting out of $164mil anfter ’21.
This is starting to be Tulo all over again.
I would LOVE to the Rockies GM but im only 17,
what a bummer. I feel like some GMs suck a their jobs.
I really couldn’t care less that a dude making that much feels “disrespected” because his team was shopping him. It’s business, and he gets to play a game for a living and retire in luxury while still in his 30s. Poor, suffering soul.
Put some respeck on his name
Arenado has a lot of leverage and the Rockies have bungled this. The Rockies fear is that Arenado WON’T opt out. With his NTC, he’s in the same position that Stanton was. He can name his destination and greatly reduce the package the Rockies can get.
I wish a team would disrespect me and give me 255mil. Take the money, play ball and quit crying.
Come on Andy. I like Blackmon but outside of Coors he is .250 avg 20hrs slug under .500 a 700 something ops. Most people count Coors stats. Fans. MLB network. Just not the other gms.
Outside Coors Arenado is .265 hitter making $35 AAV
.265/.323/.476
So he is Aaron Judge but still one of the greatest fielding third basemen in history.
No denying that. Top 10 for sure
How do you follow baseball without knowing what the numbers mean?
No sympathy at all. No one forced him to sign that extension.
Waive that out out, and make a Cardinals trade happen.
He would wave it in a heartbeat, but if they’re not reading him then there’s nothing to do. Colorado is being garbage and trying to get as much as they can out of him but the Cards are sitting back thinking “okay, we’ll just wait till he leaves and go after him then if we have to”
Sounds like he’ll just opt-out next year, go to a contender like STL or ATL and Colorado will end up with nothing. Good work Bridich lol
real rich Nolan. want to relinquish that extention YOU signed then?
Comments like these may force COL to trade him. Teams should swoop in now with offers
Wouldn’t be surprised if Colorado is trying to “convince” Nolan to not use his opt-out.
I mean, he was disrespected 234 million times….. He felt enough to take their money but a mere 365 days later it’s a different story.
Felt respected enough*
I would want out too if I played for an organization that wasnt willing to help my team win. Come over to the Dodgers Arenado, you my be the final piece that gets them over the top.
Ooh!! I know that this sounds greedy, but gimme gimme! Yes please. Pay him $5M extra to lose the opt out as well. Lol. Jung and possibly the CF prospect and one of their better pitching prospects for Nolan and $28M.
Yes anyone will hit better at Coors. The outfield is just so big. DJ would hit close to .400 at Coors. Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be good anywhere else. Still would hit low .300s on road. Everyone seen what he did last year with yankees. Nolan has tons of power. Would hit 30 to 40 hrs anywhere. Just other stats are inflated. He has a fair contract. But if teams wanted a elite 3rd baseman and were willing to give up prospects and pay 200 and some million then rendon and Donaldson would of gotten more money.
DJ came from Coors and never sniffed .400. Won a batting title, though.
DJ went from the best hitting park to a top 10 park. It would be interesting to see his splits for this upcoming year. On one hand he should continue to benefit from Yankee Stadium’s small field and probably has another big spread between home/away. No guarantee that Arenado hits 30-40 HRs, depends which team he goes to, and more importantly his OPS will definitely not be as good as it has been in COL. It is a bad contract but yeah not as terrible as some of the others out there.
Arenado says he doesn’t mind trade rumors, but he still feels disrespected? About what? Still waiting for him to back up the complaints with something solid. Besides the trade rumors – which should be at most a minor concern thanks to Arenado’s no-trade clause – what exactly is he complaining about?
If I had his salary they could disrespect me all day long.
If he thinks people aren’t treated badly by their employer he ought to get out in the real world !
Come to SF and play with your brother.
Baseball is a business, you make A LOT of money Nolan. If they want to trade you, they have every right to do just that. You need to close your mouth, be a professional, and play the game you love for whatever team you are on. I’m sick of these athletes trying to pretend like they have a say in a trade situation. You work for them, not the other way around!
When you have a no trade clause like he does, you do have a say in a trade situation. Just saying.
I was hoping Arenado would get traded to St. Louis for Carpenter, Fowler, and a SubWay sandwich. I was wrong, I’ve been wrong before. Couple times.
Surprising!
One other comment. Arenado has managed to make himself into the biggest story in baseball right now with his comments. Media reaction is that he’s trying to force a trade. That may be true, but it seems counterproductive to look disgruntled. Other teams will only get tougher with Colorado if and when trade talks resume. Nobody is going to overbid for a publicly unhappy player who seems to be begging for a trade.
This just looks like a stupid move by Arenado. If he wants out of Colorado, the best thing would have been to keep his mouth shut in public. But he has a history of badmouthing the organization, and this latest tirade won’t make things easier for the Rockies to peddle him anywhere else.
“This just looks like a stupid move by Arenado. If he wants out of Colorado, the best thing would have been to keep his mouth shut in public. ”
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@ CaseyAbell;
Great comments!
I think the stupid move was signing the contract. He knew who was on the Rockies team and in their farm system. And he had to know that him signing a massive contract would limit who they could bring in via free agency or taking on salary in trade. Was he (and/or his agent) so delusional as to think that the Rockies were one or two ballplayers away from overtaking the Dodgers in the NLW?
As I wrote above – this guy and the Rockies are both going to pay. Teams are not lining up to take on a $200m-plus contract. Who’s to say the guy won’t get disgruntled with them if circumstances change in the next 7 years? Who has an additional $35m to spend for the coming season on 1/21/2020, for a guy that can opt out in 2 years…while the team can get stuck for an additional $160m-plus if he suffers a major injury before the end of the 2021 season?
The trend in MLB is to try to avoid huge, long-term contracts. This is exactly why teams are taking that approach.
Great points truly and right on nose in theory, but I think if somebody wants a player of this caliber it will get done-
The prospects back were never going to be that huge in the 1st place with Nolans salary- This is all about the Benjamins
I still think there are 3 teams at least really IN on him with at least 3-5 wildcard teams that might jump in- Their will be a market and I do think he moves – The haul back wont be as impressive as some might think but they will be relived of all/mostly all of the financial burden
**** The Yanks have to kicking themselves right now with Stanton (even more than before) – Nolan would have been in pin-stripes by now appt shopping –
JD;
Taking his contract alone may be difficult to set up. And Stanton is a prime example of why.
Short of the Rangers, I’m not sure who would actually be in on him. I thought the Dodgers, but am not sure they’d take on that many years – they’d probably be more comfortable giving a higher AAV and rewriting the contract to be for 3 or 4 years. Maybe the Mets as Brodie loves taking the spotlight. But the potential new owner would have to sign off on it (as well as come up with millions quickly) and currently the Mets don’t even have a manager.
Love all you guys here, the consistency is always right on point
Everyone is terrible!
Nobodies worth their contract!
But hey a couple d-bags like Machado and Harper drum up conspiracy talks of owners not paying players and you all fall right in line too bite the apple- I mean literally the same people goin nuts last year for 2 months about players not getting payed are the same people who constantly say these players arent worth their contract
When Bill James came out and said you could replace everyone in Mlb and in 2 years nobody would know the difference I thought he was insane at first-
The longer I think about it though, hes right on a deeper level, and you guys help prove that every day- The statement wasn’t about the players it was actually about todays breed of fans –
Yeah, large groups of people should just start only saying one thing all the time.
He should feel flattered, people around the league are calling trying to trade for him, not believing his is a pure Coors Field product. For what he is making, he should feel plenty “respected”. Maybe he feels disrespect because no one is willing to give up an overall Top-10 prospect. That I can understand, it’s like Durant forcing the Nets to give up a 1st rounder AND DLo for him, because there’s no way he was only worth DLo. It’s an ego thing. But I just imagine someone handing him a box of tissues that’s actually $100 bills.
What a dunce. He feels disrespected? Who cares? He’s making millions a year. As long as the checks keep coming for him, he could be playing in Japan and wouldn’t notice. What a damn baby.
They can disrespect me all they want for a tenth of what they are paying this cry baby. Shut your pie hole you Prima Donna and play. You took the $$$ it is part of the game.
Given how much money he is making, Arenado owes his club and fans a solid commitment while keeping his whining between his agent and Rockies ownership. Now this drama will have to play out in public.
This doesn’t say good things about this man’s integrity.
There are smarter ways to air out differences than to take them to the fans that pay your salary.
He either needs to come out and say what the issue is or he should keep his mouth shut… Like if something is going on he’s upset about say it… but coming out with like cryptic half comments about feeling “disrespected… but there’s more to it than that…” just makes him look stupid. Like either say what’s going on… or don’t. But enough of this half way crap.
I cannot believe how many poor takes there are on this. So just because the guy makes a lot more than any of us he’s not allowed to have any say in the work environment that he’s part of? How many of us left a job earlier than expected because the culture was poor? How many took a job because you were told one thing in the interview, but then a year later the actual job is nothing like what was communicated to you?
This stuff happens all the time to people everywhere. God forbid someone should speak up just because they make a lot of money. The guy worked hard to get where he is and deserves a chance to play for a contender if that was what he was told was going to happen to him.
If you had a job representing your company and were the highest paid employee there having just signed the biggest deal in the history of the team you think it would be ok to turn around and insult your company to the media?
Do you have a job? You don’t sound employable or even trustworthy.
Lol, I’m a salaried engineer actually. Not that that has ANYTHING to do with this topic. This idea that corporations are paying you so they can do whatever the heck they want and treat their employees poorly is straight out of the industrial revolution. Society has evolved well beyond that and (shocker) employees actually have rights. It is sad that there are people, obviously yourself included, that have a job where they don’t feel like they can say anything if it’s not a great work environment.
How much Arenado makes HAS NO BEARING on this at all. None. It doesn’t matter if you make the most or the least at a company, you still have the right to a healthy work environment, just like everyone else.
The media portion of this is completely unique to sports. Players get asked questions publicly on a daily basis, all he did “wrong” was answer honestly. It’s a lot different if someone working at a factory or office or whatever seeked out the news and started talking about it, this is a much different can of worms.
He hasn’t given any proof that the work environment is that terrible. As of now, it sounds like he feels disrespected because they are thinking of trading him and the takers weren’t lining up. Any team should want him based on ability – but until he has something more substantive – how is this not a red flag?
It has been widely reported by now that he has said that this is not about the trade. This started well before that and there is a lot more to it than that. The trade talk probably doesn’t happen without Arenado driving them in the first place.
What he really just said is trade me or you get nothing in return after the next 2 yrs.
Sorry, but for $35,000,000 a year you can afford a little disrespect.
Getting paid that much money and crying about how you aren’t loved is so f’in pathetic I can’t stand it.
I don’t care if or how much you’re respected when you’re paid that much and the idea that you would take that much money from an employer and then go to the media taking about how they don’t really like you is beyond belief.
He should retire and go somewhere he can get enough love to be happy instead of pissing on anyone who tries to be nice.
I wouldn’t want him on my team and wouldn’t watch him play.
A true punk.
Maybe he’s just mad the Rockies said they’d build around him and they proceeded to absolutely not do that.
Go Cubs Go
I don’t know. Love Nolan. But as I try to figure out how to pay payroll this week…..including taking mo ey out of my meager retirement to pay……just seems ridiculous to say your disrespected when u get paid an insane amount of money. Hey, more power to him, he has a rare talent. But…… his KIDS, grandchildren and GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDCHILDREN will be set for life. I could give a rats ass about the houses, cars, toys, vacations, etc. But man oh man life would be AWESOME If my grandkids won’t have to worry about paying for school.
Just wished Nolan would have picked better words. But, best of luck Nolan…appreciate your place in life.
So many people think money is respect? Wow that’s actually kind of terrible.
That’s how it is often measured by athletes because it’s the mentality of their currency. In the real world still the case but less so.
It’s insane. By that logic, the more you make the less rights you have. So if I’m making $100,000 a year, I have no right to say anything if I’m screamed at by a boss on a daily basis. $200,000, the boss can hit me with a stick, but no wider than his thumb. $300,000, make it a wrist.
Obviously extreme examples, but that’s literally the argument people are making that he should just shut his mouth.
Let me get this straight-the Rockies will pay him over 250 million in the next 7 years and he feels disrespected. Please someone disrespect me even for a million. These players need to stay out of front office matters and just play. He knew when he signed they had those 4 awful contracts and wouldn’t be able to do much in player acquisition.
Maybe he should give all their money and security back, pack his jock strap and go home. It’s baseball and normal preseason hit stove talk. Every player is available unless there is a strict no trade clause.
Wish he wouldn’t have used the word “disrespected.” So tired of that. He could have said, “I’m disappointed (or frustrated) with the apparent direction of the Rockies after I signed the extension.” Maybe not much different, but it doesn’t sound so whiney. From his standpoint, however, if he was told when he signed that the club was going to do whatever it had to do to remain competitive, he has a beef.