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Latest On Mookie Betts Trade Talks

By George Miller | February 9, 2020 at 1:45pm CDT

1:40PM: Momentum towards a deal is building and there’s increased optimism that a trade—or trades—will take place, and there’s a chance that an announcement could come as early as today, according to Neal. The Twins and Dodgers are in direct discussions and Heyman reports that their part of the deal is “pretty set,” with Maeda heading to the Twins and Graterol going the other way. For what it’s worth, Neal adds that the Twins are now “expected to get a little more” than Maeda. If Heyman is correct, then the last remaining hurdle will be for the Dodgers to refine their package for Betts. Speculatively, that could involve Graterol being flipped to Boston, but the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier tweeted earlier that Graterol isn’t expected to be dealt to the Red Sox as part of any trade.

10:11AM: The Twins are indeed still involved in talks, though that doesn’t necessarily mean a three-team trade is happening, as Jon Heyman and The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal explain (both links to Twitter).  The Twins “are working hard to satisfy [the] Dodgers and the Dodgers are working hard to satisfy [the] Red Sox, ” Rosenthal writes, but negotiations could result in two separate trades.  One deal between the Dodgers and Red Sox would send Verdugo and prospects to Boston and Betts and Price to L.A., and another swap between the Dodgers and Twins would see Maeda go to Minnesota and Graterol possibly be part of a trade package going to Los Angeles.  As Heyman notes, “non-Boston docs seem to have no big issue with Graterol [medicals],” so the Dodgers might be satisfied in accepting the young righty in exchange for Maeda.

TODAY, 8:51AM: The involved parties are “hopeful” that a Betts trade can be worked out, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets, as there has been “progress” in talks.  Notably, Heyman tagged the Dodgers, Red Sox, and Twins in his tweet, which could hint that a three-team arrangement is still possible.

FEBRUARY 8: The Twins’ portion of the proposed three-team trade that would send Mookie Betts to the Dodgers is in jeopardy, according to La Velle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune. Talks between the Twins, Dodgers, and Red Sox are ongoing and the current iteration of the trade is not entirely dead, according to reports from Joel Sherman of the New York Post and others, but the Twins have requested a prompt resolution one way or another. It seems there’s growing pessimism about the Twins’ involvement in the trade, so the Dodgers and Red Sox may have to explore alternative pathways towards its completion.

As part of the trade, the Twins were expected to send right-hander Brusdar Graterol to the Red Sox, receiving Kenta Maeda in return and allowing the Dodgers to acquire Betts and David Price. However, after the Red Sox balked at Graterol’s medical history with questions about his long-term role, they requested another prospect from the Twins and talks have stalled. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman suggests that the Twins have expressed a willingness to include one of their top-20 prospects to push the deal across the goal line, but even that hasn’t met the Red Sox’ heightened asking price.

If the Twins do indeed back out of the deal, the Dodgers and Red Sox could still try to complete the trade themselves or rope in a new third team to facilitate the mega-deal. For the time being, though, the prospect of a Betts trade appears to have hit a considerable setback. With the Red Sox’ insistence on acquiring another of the Twins’ top prospects and Minnesota’s reluctance to concede, little progress has been made since the deal was first reported on Tuesday and something will have to give if the trade is to be completed.

In its entirety, the trade would have sent Betts and David Price to the Dodgers, while Alex Verdugo and Graterol would wind up in Boston with Maeda joining the Twins. In addition, the Dodgers and Angels had agreed in principle to a separate trade that would send Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling to the crosstown Angels in exchange for Luis Rengifo and unidentified prospects. That deal, though, was contingent on the completion of the Dodgers/Red Sox/Twins swap and now itself appears in limbo.

Many around the game have voiced their frustration with the drama that has resulted from the Red Sox’ hesitation. MLBPA head Tony Clark, agent Scott Boras, and Angels owner Arte Moreno have all commented on the wide-ranging consequences of the delay. And with pitchers and catchers reporting to camp in the coming days, some of the players involved could be placed in awkward situation in which they would return to a team that has essential already agreed to trade them.

So while the Boston faithful may rejoice that their star outfielder remains with the team for the time being, it’s hard to envision a scenario in which Betts, or any of the players involved, reports to Spring Training with their original teams. That alone should provide ample impetus to finalize the trade in short order. Whether that means the Red Sox following through with the trade as originally agreed to, or the inclusion of another piece to appease Boston, we’ll have to wait and find out.

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  1. Balk

    3 years ago

    Wtf! Ouch

    Reply
    • francys08

      3 years ago

      I did not like that trade at all. The Red Sox needed to acquire more for Mookie Betts.

      Reply
      • RunDMC

        3 years ago

        BOS should have asked for a manager.

        Reply
        • parx

          3 years ago

          I can only imagine there’s still a trade getting done

        • Joe

          3 years ago

          Rocco Baldelli would go to Bos in a heartbeat

        • sufferfortribe

          3 years ago

          Why? He did great where he’s at…..and Boston is home to more cheaters.

        • rr670612

          3 years ago

          If Dave Roberts was mine to give , you could have him.

        • fox471

          3 years ago

          Hey, Roberts is a good possibility. Dodgers could have Babe Ruth and Roberts would figure out a way to screw it up.

        • Scottn59c

          3 years ago

          Bwahaha!

        • opranger

          3 years ago

          Send them Roberts for Mookie!

        • peterdipersio06

          3 years ago

          Boston is home for cheaters ? I guess Cleveland is home to wife beaters and domestic abusers!

        • peterdipersio06

          3 years ago

          I also forgot that Lebrun James left Cleveland twice for a reason !

        • AGAVE

          3 years ago

        • stepupjays

          3 years ago

          Who is Lebrun James? Maybe edit before you decided to provide nothing but negative thoughts to a conversation.

        • saluelthpops

          3 years ago

          So you really don’t know who he’s referring to? Or just want to add to the negativity as well?

        • Geno55

          3 years ago

          Red Sox general manager should be fired

        • TedYazJimEd

          3 years ago

          That is so funny because its so obvious…and no one thought if it…
          Well Done!!!

        • TedYazJimEd

          3 years ago

          Fire the GM?..How’s that?…each team doesn’t get the players medical information until they have agreed to a deal in principle..and submitted it to the commissioners office.
          That’s like you being fired because you didn’t do what your boss wanted…before he even told you.

        • TedYazJimEd

          3 years ago

          Fire the GM?..How’s that?…each team doesn’t get the players medical information until they have agreed to a deal in principle..and submitted it to the commissioners office.
          That’s like you being fired because you didn’t do what your boss wanted…before he even told you.

        • Ducey

          3 years ago

          Ruth doesn’t hit like he used to

        • pwndroia

          3 years ago

          Agreed. Chaim Bloom has done a poor job. Passed up on Holt and Shaw and said Shaw was too much money yet signs Peraza (who isn’t as good) and pays Mookie and Benintendi. Now he can’t get the Betts trade done. I knew we couldn’t accept the trade until it was absolutely certain.

        • Buzzed Capra

          3 years ago

          Dave Roberts and Joe Kelly to Boston.

        • looiebelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          All these comments including many of my own. My personal assessment has changed to something so simple that others have inferred but not said this way: despite last years injuries, the team thought he could be a starter. That changed after seeing his medicals and they then must have thought “been there, done that” already. From envisioning another Nolan Ryan or pre-PED Roger Clemons, their assessment became another Joe Kelly or Matt Barnes.

        • wordonthestreet

          3 years ago

          @stepup

          Maybe shut up before you provide nothing but negative thoughts to a conversation as well

        • TedYazJimEd

          3 years ago

          Exactly…louie, they don’t get the medicals until the deal is agreed to in principle and submitted to the commissioners office…
          Your trading for a starter…who was used as a reliever but the medicals indicate he was being used that way not because he was a young pitcher getting his feet wet in the bigs…but because of medical reasons.

      • nh_55

        3 years ago

        Ha perhaps, but that should be coming from the Dodgers not the Twins.

        Reply
      • frank858

        3 years ago

        Now Boston is back in Luxury tax problems without the bailout by the Dodgers and stuck with unhappy Price with that massive contract which means that they will be out of the Mookie sweepstakes next year with less money to spend on him when Mookie tests free agency.

        Reply
        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          Frank… you are exactly right.

        • spinach

          3 years ago

          Great well they go for a title this year with basically their title squad in place. And they don’t get stuck paying a 5’8” speedy outfielder $38m when he’s 38 years ten years into the future what a tragedy.

        • juanpursuit

          3 years ago

          Bailout by the Dodgers?????????

        • thatsright

          3 years ago

          Price was already unhappy. He liked his big fat contract but never liked Boston.

        • ForestCobraAL

          3 years ago

          Dodgers send Dustin May and the Red Sox agree to accept less of a bailout the next time – the third time – The Dodgers and Mark Walter bail out the Red Sox and John Henry.

          When is someone going to demand an answer from Mark Walter and John Henry as to how much Mark Walter owed John Henry and what is the nature of this sum owed from?

        • Chris

          3 years ago

          Lol cause speed is all Mookie brings to the game

        • Scottn59c

          3 years ago

          That’s been the word on the street, yeah.

        • ElysianPark

          3 years ago

          Lol…..Dustin May is not going anywhere for anyone.

        • hitsnerrors

          3 years ago

          Not May, but I think the Dodgers should go ahead and include Gonsolin IF they can keep the Twins in at and acquire Gaterol themselves for the bullpen.

        • rjmbosox

          3 years ago

          About the dodgers give us pederson and a top prospect

        • jk

          3 years ago

          I agree. Maybe Santana and Busch. Not as though la couldn’t use him in the bullpen.

        • pasha2k

          3 years ago

          That’s…..right! Lord help the big priced pitcher in Boston, who never earns his pay. I’ll give you 2018 Price pitched them to a WS win, n the fans loved him for that.

        • looiebelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Love getting a bailout from a team owner who hasn’t won since purchasing the club. I hate arrogance from fans who are simply jealous. Imagine that other teams fans are jealous of Red Sox fans. Times have changed since I grew up with those 1918 chants at Yankee Stadium in the late 70s.

        • ews34

          3 years ago

          Cause the RedSox need 4 LH OF?

        • GMB 883

          3 years ago

          Not true. They could keep Mookie and trade Price and JBJ and still be under the $208M and avoid the CBT penalties. That includes paying 50% of Price’s contract. Then they continue to negotiate with Mookie. They can pay them what he wants if they so choose. That’s up to ownership. He’s under contract for this year at $27M. I believe the Dodgers trade still happens in one form or another. We shall see.

        • Baked McBride

          3 years ago

          Mookie & Boston are done. This year, next year, doesnt matter. The trade is still gonna happen with or without minnesota.

        • Baked McBride

          3 years ago

          The feeling was mutual.

        • pwndroia

          3 years ago

          We were out of the Mookie sweepstakes regardless. We aren’t outbidding the Yankees or the Dodgers.

        • Cooperdooper7

          3 years ago

          Then no deal

        • Buzzed Capra

          3 years ago

          Love your username, McBride. You should upload a picture of Bake and his afro.

        • wordonthestreet

          3 years ago

          Oh so Price was happy but now is not? Oh that is a surprise

        • TedYazJimEd

          3 years ago

          Frank…the part of the deal with the RS and Dodgers is fine…Betts, Price and Verdugo will go…but now the Red sox will receive 2 prospects from LA… not the Twins

      • axisofhonor25

        3 years ago

        They needed a new set of trash cans.

        Reply
        • Juan Carrasquillo

          3 years ago

          Wrong team ace.

      • Padres458

        3 years ago

        Two top 100 prospect and 45 million toward proce is a great deal.

        Reply
        • Commonsenseslapsyou

          3 years ago

          No it’s not. There’s a reason no other club has met the price Einstein

        • TedYazJimEd

          3 years ago

          RS are not eating $45M of Price contract.. they are not doing that.. Price and Betts were due $49 this year..Sox Sending $9M back to LA this year..2 remaining years of Price after that to be determined based on availability.

        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          If you think the Dodgers are going to go over the threshold for Price, you are crazy.

          No one wants Price.

      • ChapmansVacuum

        3 years ago

        Dont force the team getting him to absorb Price and you will get a better number for Betts!

        Reply
        • Geno55

          3 years ago

          It would’ve been nice to have Betts I don’t know if the Dodgers really need them but it would’ve been nice In the dodger line up

      • macstruts

        3 years ago

        The Red Sox are not just trading Betts, they forcing a team to take on Price. No one want’s Price. Betts for five years of Verdugo and a top 100 prospect isn’t a bad deal, may be light, but once they include Price, they were lucky to get that.

        Reply
        • acell10

          3 years ago

          Not when they are paying half of prices contract it isn’t

        • acell10

          3 years ago

          Not when they are paying half of prices contract it isn’t

        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          No wants Price at half his price.

        • pasha2k

          3 years ago

          Price us a valuable pitcher, everyone forgets that. The Dodgers are a helleva team with Orice n then Mookie too. They need to get it done. The Twins just wanted to not give quality for quality. Trades supposed to help BOTH teams not just one or another. Will some of the teams please think about the fans for once n not one up man ship.

        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          The Red Sox have been trying to dump Price for four months. They have been willing to eat a great deal of his salary. No one wants him.

        • gbs42

          3 years ago

          You know the word “and” exists, right?

        • JerseyShoreScore

          3 years ago

          Excellent Point! The Dodgers certainly do not want Price and the cost on Betts for the Dodgers would have been much higher if Price were not attached.

          Clearly, if Price at half his Price were available all off season for a marginal prospect, no other team was interested in taking Price off the Red Sox hands.

        • Rondon

          3 years ago

          Seems like they could find several teams that would want Maeda besides the Twins.

        • Geno55

          3 years ago

          Exactly that’s why there’s not a lot of prospects involved in the Betts trade If the Red Sox weren’t tagging Price with Betts you would get more prospects And the Red Sox desperately need to cut payroll right now there handcuffed

        • Buzzed Capra

          3 years ago

          I think the Dodgers are better off just hanging on to their great starter depth by keeping Maeda and Stripling. That’s better than taking a chance on Price for $16 million a year or whatever they end up paying him.

      • bklynny67

        3 years ago

        They were getting fair value for a rental

        Reply
      • mistry gm

        3 years ago

        Sure. Wait another year and get nothing and still have an overpaid pitcher.

        Reply
      • Moneyballer

        3 years ago

        And yet now they are probably going to get much much less.

        Reply
      • bjupton100

        3 years ago

        They won’t and you should look up the definition of the word need. He’s not worth more than that and that’s not an opinion.

        Reply
      • JaysForDays

        3 years ago

        Except now they’ll get pennies on the dollar at the deadline, …or nothing if they play him out; and are stuck with Price’s 90m… if there was a better offer on the table, …it would’ve been done. Theyre not going to improve on it and they’ve burnt the bridge to resign betts in the offseason. Brutal.

        Reply
        • luckyh

          3 years ago

          Nope, only in your dreams.

      • RedSox4Life4ever

        3 years ago

        Once the Sox became hesitant about Graterol, I wished the trade was just adjusted with how much of Price’s contract was covered in order to balance it out.

        Reply
        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          However they adjust it, it’s not going to work unless the Angels, Dodgers and Red Sox can all stay under the cap. I don’t think you can adjust the salaries enough to make that happen.

        • RedSox4Life4ever

          3 years ago

          I wasn’t talking about anything drastic. Something more like the Twins kicking back 5 mil/yr to Boston or 2.5 mil/yr from both the Twins and LA for the last 3 years of Price’s contract.

        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          I think the only team that can kick money back in the deal are the Twins. The Angels maybe a little, the Dodgers and Red Sox are so close to the threshold I don’t think they can kick back anything.

          But I’m all for the Angels and Twins ponying up a little money. But are they? Is that all the Red Sox want?

        • triumph13

          3 years ago

          4life- I don’t think the Sox care about the money once below the threshold. Boston was hoping they were getting a prospect from Minnesota who had potential to be an ace… or at least a quality piece in the starting rotation. Instead best case his potential seems to be a closer… or at least a middle reliever. Getting 5M extra doesn’t make that ok… they aren’t getting that starter with that money.

        • RedSox4Life4ever

          3 years ago

          They would care if they were in the playoff hunt this year and looking to add at the trade deadline. That 5 mil could make a big difference on what kind of player/players they could add to the roster.

        • Finlander

          3 years ago

          Twins are under no obligation to help bail Boston out of their financial crisis. From their perspective, they were dealing away Graterol for Maeda. That was the value assigned and agreed to. They owe Boston nothing. But there is nothing to prohibit Twins from making a separate deal straight up with Dodgers while Boston can pay some big taxes and watch Price and Eck land on the Jerry Springer Show..

      • vtncsc

        3 years ago

        They’re getting salary relief.

        Reply
      • Iknowmorebaseball

        3 years ago

        No doubt! how is it that the Dodgers having great prospects and the Red Sox are not demanding not one and to boot the fools are handing down 50 mil to the Dodgers. The Sox are asking just lost

        Reply
      • Murphi Kennedy

        3 years ago

        What more can They ask for? They’re already getting a huge amount of salary relief plus a top proven Prospect in Verdugo. It’s basically a salary dump and a one-year rental for a five year player and the opportunity to spend hell of money later

        Reply
      • mparkinson2

        3 years ago

        They did, they got rid of Price.

        Reply
      • hawkny

        3 years ago

        I agree, The Twins are trying to get a #3 starter for a pitching prospect who may be damaged goods. They should add P Jordan Balazovic to their part of the swap.

        Reply
        • twins33

          3 years ago

          And what else should the Twins get in return then in addition to Maeda? Graterol and Balazovic for Maeda is a massive overpay.

          I’m biased about Balazovic, but also correct.

        • Col. Taylor

          3 years ago

          HaHa, anything else you want?

        • Buck Jones

          3 years ago

          Just add to cart.lol.

        • Finlander

          3 years ago

          Hilarious. Why should Boston be concerned about what MN pays for someone like Maeda. Twins have no skin in the financial bail out game. They have no responsibility for the BSox financial mess and poor farm. Graterol looked good against the Yanks last fall. Minnie will be happy to keep him.

        • Phantomofdb

          3 years ago

          Only a Red Sox homer would have that take. Absurd

      • Teufelshunde4

        3 years ago

        1 year of Betts, Sox are screwing the pooch in the end.

        Reply
      • mannyl101

        3 years ago

        Yeah if he had more then one year! 1/2 of Price contract & $27 million-you ain’t getting much more! + Verdugo is a great fun young talent!

        Reply
      • dhibma6`

        3 years ago

        Why? He’s a one year rental. Boston is smart for doing this.

        Reply
      • Jim Emmons

        3 years ago

        Understandable that you may not liked the trade, but for the Red Sox to agree then turn around and ask for additional compensation and saying it’s Graterol’s medical status when it may be Boston fan reaction, doesn’t drip with character.

        Reply
      • sixpacktwo

        3 years ago

        Well the adding of Price and his 36 million is what stops more.

        Reply
      • FrostyPucker

        3 years ago

        francys08, I keep hearing the argument “the Red Sox should’ve got more” from all the sports pundits.

        Dammit people! If you only have 1 team ( ok, 2 if you really count the Padres, but c’mon…grow up!) that’s is willing take on the salary, and only 1 year control of Mookie Betts, what did you really think was going to happen here?

        And please remember, the Dodgers were one of the teams “affected” by the Red Sox sign stealing scandal. We’re the Dodgers attitude towards the Red Sox going to be: “oh don’t you worry about that silly little sign stealing thing. Here’s our minors, just take what you think is fair.”

        Grow up pundits and fans. That fact that Bloom was able to get what he got is to be commended, not condemned.

        Think about it.

        Reply
        • triumph13

          3 years ago

          Grew up and thought about it Pucker. But maybe you should too if you think Dodgers make a trade offer based on anything other than how they feel about that individual deal.

          As for what we feel about these players worth, it’s our own opinion. If Sox offered all teams Price alone at 3/$48M and a low level prospect… would any other team be interested besides LA? Or would teams expect the Sox to pay more $$?

      • fljay73

        3 years ago

        Don’t include D. Price & they easily can

        Reply
      • adamsessler

        3 years ago

        The Sox got salary relief as part of the trade. That’s an asset, too. So, they were getting 2 high-end prospects & salary relief for Betts. That’s plenty.

        Reply
      • Geno55

        3 years ago

        You would get more if David Price $96 million wasn’t attached to Mookie Betts

        Reply
    • warwhatisitgoodfor

      3 years ago

      Hahahaha Boston sucks the big fat one on this debacle. Next time don’t handle your biz based off public perception

      Reply
      • triber4life

        3 years ago

        Yes. Watching this forest fire of a team is great. Burn Boston burn.

        Reply
        • triumph13

          3 years ago

          I would think if this deal somehow doesn’t get done – Boston isn’t the biggest loser here.

          Really – what is the issue with how events occurred? Teams agreed to trade, Medicals of Graterol weren’t good… showing his odds of ever becoming the player Boston was hoping for was greatly reduced. Wouldn’t anyone here playing GM change their opinion of Graterol and either want someone else or something more as Bloom has?

          If not – why?

        • twins33

          3 years ago

          I don’t think it’s crazy to ask for more. The crazy part is to ask the Twins for two top 10 prospects and the Twins only receive Maeda in return. If the Twins have to kick in more specifically THAT much more, then they should be getting more back in a trade as well. Either more from the Dodgers or more from the Sox.

        • looiebelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          If there’s a real injury worry, how is he still a top 10 team prospect?

        • triber4life

          3 years ago

          No matter what happens with this deal, Boston RedSox are losers and cheaters (In life and in baseball) and nothing will ever change that.

        • twins33

          3 years ago

          Because he’s always been an injury worry and was still a top 10 team prospect?

        • averagejoe15

          3 years ago

          Yea but guys rankings those prospects don’t see the medicals. The entire point of this medical hold up is that the medical risk appears much greater than the public perception of it.

        • Finlander

          3 years ago

          The crazy part is Boston still wants Graterol. If he is “damaged”, why insist on keeping him included in the deal?

        • twins33

          3 years ago

          True, the rankers don’t see the medicals but they will never see the medicals so it doesn’t change much on their end. They were already knocking him down for being a reliever only and likely knocking him for the TJ and then shoulder issue last year.

          They can only judge by what they do know. Hypothetically, If Graterol does well this season and is still eligible to be ranked (he probably wouldn’t be eligible due to innings, but just go with my point) would he be knocked down to a lower ranking? No, and the medical issue would still be there. So nothing changes. If he gets hurt again or is bad, he’d rank lower, but that’s the case anyway regardless of what this issue is.

        • FrostyPucker

          3 years ago

          At least they have a forest to burn. Unlike the land of cleves.

        • triumph13

          3 years ago

          Red Sox Losers Triber? I guess I can take your word for it -4 championships in 15 seasons doesn’t sound like a loser baseball team to me.

    • Tipsy McStagger

      3 years ago

      Small market revenge! I love it!

      Reply
    • Manfredsajoke

      3 years ago

      They probably have traders remorse before the trigger got pulled and someone leaked the trade. It seems rather light for a year of one of the best players in baseball and control of David Price for 3 years (who is still a serviceable starter).

      Reply
    • Melchez

      3 years ago

      This wouldn’t be a story if “sports reporters” weren’t in such a rush to get stories out there. Report what happens, don’t report what might happen.

      Reply
  2. Jrmomo1000

    3 years ago

    Wow now what

    Reply
    • Freddy H

      3 years ago

      Anything is on the table now.

      Would love to see another team step in for Betts, but will likely be another team steps in for Maeda

      Reply
      • jamess-7

        3 years ago

        Yanks get Maeda. No doubt.

        Reply
        • Freddy H

          3 years ago

          For who though? Red Sox want a young topline SP in return.

          That the yanks don’t have.

        • AllRiseForTheJudge

          3 years ago

          And even if they did, there’s no way the Yankees would trade a top prospect – at any position, much less SP – to their biggest rival.

        • DJT Lover

          3 years ago

          I could see a scenario where the Dodgers pivot over to the Reds and get them involved. Possibly a deal of Kenta Maeda to Cincinnati for Nick Senzel, the Dodgers send Senzel to Boston with Verdugo. Thoughts?

  3. christianponder

    3 years ago

    Love it! So impressed with the twins front office right now. Boston should feel embarrassed

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    • jwardrip99

      3 years ago

      The twins front office is getting dragged through the mud because they concealed medical records of the prospect.

      Reply
      • puddles

        3 years ago

        They didn’t conceal medical records. They shared them and the Sox balked at it. Twins are annoyed that the Sox likely leaked the info to gain leverage.

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        • puddles

          3 years ago

          And to be clear, Sox may have had a good reason to not like the medicals. Twins just didn’t like that it went public

        • christianponder

          3 years ago

          Exactly, you agreed to a trade, do your homework on a prospect you are receiving. I liked getting maeda but I’m glad the twins didn’t fold over to Boston’s BS demands

        • DarkSide830

          3 years ago

          sometimes the best way to answer a question on the test is by looking at your answers to the rest of the questions.

        • rkmarx

          3 years ago

          You do realize that medical records can’t legally be shared until the trade is agreed to in principle, right? After the trade was agreed to, the Red So saw the medical records and were scared off. Blaming any of the teams involved for wrongdoing is absurd and trollish.

        • bjupton100

          3 years ago

          Teams should no longer get any medical info without consent, and consent can’t be coerced for a contract. either that or start paying income taxes and property taxes like the rest of us.

        • jbigz12

          3 years ago

          Exactly. Medical files don’t get sent over until the trade is complete. The problem with all of this nonsense was that it involved so many different teams. Trades getting nixed for medicals is not uncommon.

        • thetruth

          3 years ago

          Ignorance is enormous with this one.

        • Scottn59c

          3 years ago

          Huh?

        • Commonsenseslapsyou

          3 years ago

          Stfu

          They leaked that there’s a problem with Medicals. It’s 100% BOSTONS FAULT

        • AGAVE

          3 years ago

          Somewhere, graterol’s medical was printed long before this occurred.
          Only going by what has been suggested. That his TJs was publicly announced years ago.
          Just sayin’

        • twins33

          3 years ago

          The TJ surgery and every injury that puts him on the IL is public knowledge. The Red Sox and every other team know about it. That isn’t the issue.

          Graterol’s MRIs and all other scans are NOT public knowledge. That can only be shared to the public by Graterol himself. When a player is traded, it’s contingent on medical review. That includes these medical scans and any other time Graterol has seen a doctor. Those aren’t publicly available. Those documents go to the team acquiring him and they have their medical people determine if it’s okay or not.

          The Sox weren’t objecting to his TJ surgery or his shoulder injury last year. They were objecting to something in the medicals that we have zero knowledge of and will likely always have zero knowledge of until he gets another bad injury or Graterol tells us himself.

        • prov356

          3 years ago

          twins33 – that’s the only thing that makes sense. Anything else is speculation. Every trade that is reported is always contingent on review of medical reports from a new physical exam. No one is doing anything wrong. Boston didn’t like the report from Graterol’s exam so they are rethinking the trade. When I buy a used car, I test drive it and take it to my mechanic for a once over. If the mechanic finds problems, I either negotiate a lower price or look for a different car.

        • Geno55

          3 years ago

          Didn’t the Red Sox use them tactic on JC Ramirez and Mike Napoli they agreed on there contracts cut money from their contracts that they agreed upon

        • Doofydoofer08

          3 years ago

          Bro you stfu you got no clue what your talking about moron

        • looiebelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          What difference would it have made? Sox have to announce why they no longer are making the deal. Could have been the same issue if the Dodgers looked at Price’s recent medicals or compared his last two MRI films and found something that was worse than they expected.

        • looiebelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          We’re you on the phone Christian? How do you know what was said? Sox got burned with the trades with Seattle and Milwaukee regarding the health of pitchers they received. Nothing alarming was found then but it likely caused them to look mor3 closely this time given how last season ended for him.

        • prov356

          3 years ago

          Doofy – who is your anger aimed at? You didn’t specify which moron.

        • Finlander

          3 years ago

          If that’s the case then why did Boston still want Graterol in the deal?

        • Geno55

          3 years ago

          Boston’s GM should get the Fired ….Betts Doesn’t want to play for the Red Sox anyways Bean Town cheaters

        • looiebelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Since when is reviewing medicals a tactic Geno? All agreed upon contracts are contingent upon a medical exam which includes a review of records. If it were indeed a tactic, the MLBPA would have grieved then and now.

        • Finlander

          3 years ago

          Then why does Boston still want him?

        • prov356

          3 years ago

          Geno – Why should he get fired? He is following the advice of his medical team who are telling him there are potential issues with Graterol. There’s no evidence of anything else going on to delay the deals. He’s doing his job.

        • Geno55

          3 years ago

          He agreed on Graterol Why not ask for different prospect why keep Graterol and ask the twins additional prospect if the guy has a bum arm Graterol

        • gcc

          3 years ago

          because he while he may be damaged it is most likely they are willing to chance him making a full recovery but they cant make him the main piece in the deal from min. it would have to be another top prospect and him as with whatever medical problem they found they view him as a lottery ticket that may spend more time on the DL and never be more then a middle reliever

        • fox471

          3 years ago

          Of which Betts was one.

      • Phantomofdb

        3 years ago

        That’s not remotely what happened. The Red Sox are taking the heat

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    • AtlSoxFan

      3 years ago

      Funny thing is, most red sox fans feel the same way, proud of Bloom for not blinking.

      Sincerely, good luck with graterol. I’d like to see what he can do as a closer in mlb.

      For whatever reason he wasn’t right for the sox in what they needed in this trade and thought based upon past years -apparently like boras – that he could be (a 2020 starter.)

      @jwardrip – nothing anywhere, NOTHING, says the twins concealed or lied about anything. We don’t know what the records said, different doctors give different prognosis every day looking at the same case.

      Reply
      • mriescher

        3 years ago

        Problem now is the Red Sox essentially told Betts they don’t want him and now have to deal with a disgruntled player who will soon be a free agent. The longer they wait the price will drop in terms of prospects and his price goes up on any chance of his resigning there.

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        • luckyh

          3 years ago

          They never said they didn’t want him. They are adults – except Price. He wants to test FA. They can just as well try again then if they want to do so. Keep spinning. There is no rush to get this done. They have a week to figure it out. Different players will be dealt. The pressure is on LA IMO. Mookie was proclaimed a Dodger.

        • theredsoxrule

          3 years ago

          he told the world he is looking forward to free agency and turned down 10yrs 300mill extension offer and asked for 12yrs 420mill so its no surprise that they are trading him because they are smart enough not to offer him more than 30mill a yr

        • terry

          3 years ago

          I see no pressure on LA at all

        • fox471

          3 years ago

          LA will be fine. Better with Betts but fine either way.

      • pasha2k

        3 years ago

        Still you are right I am proud Bloom is standing up n not caving in like DD did when the Padres LIED to DD about PomPom being hurt. I think the trade will get done. Lord help the team when Price arrives in camp.

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        • outinleftfield

          3 years ago

          How many starts did Pomeranz miss? None you say? What was his ERA the first 2 years? 3.94? Wow. He must have been hurt badly. He never missed a start and the only Red Sox pitcher that was better was Sale.

          How many games has the guy they sent to the Padres made? None you say?

          Pull your head out @pasha.

        • acell10

          3 years ago

          I love how you’re cheering your stats here. He was garbage in his first half season after the trade, had a mediocre Dice-K esque second season where averaged 5 1/3 innings an outing, then proceeded to go back to being an utter disaster in his third.

        • thelegendaryharambe

          3 years ago

          “Pull your head out!”
          “Pinche Verde is the worst manager ever!”
          “Chase Headley is my hero!”
          “Giancarlo Stanton’s opt-out clause benefits the Yankees!”
          “Padres should extend Carter Capps!”
          “Padres should QO Tyson Ross!”
          “I sat next to Dan Lozano on a plane and he told me Manny Machado was signing with the Padres!”
          “I’m not Koamalu!”
          “Everyone who disagrees is wcr!”

    • luckyh

      3 years ago

      All this spin is making me dizzy.

      Reply
    • DarkSide830

      3 years ago

      Bloom would look pretty foolish later if we learned about these medicals after another big Graterol injury

      Reply
      • Prospectnvstr

        3 years ago

        He’d look just as foolish IF Graterol turns into a solid starter for a few years. Then Graterol gets injured and becomes a lock down closer. Remember the only player to be 100% voted into the HOF was a FAILURE as a starting pitcher.

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        • gcc

          3 years ago

          Mariano was not a failed starter. he made a total of 10 starts in his rookie year and was a good starter in the minors the reason he ended in the bullpen in his 2nd year was the rotation was full. The Yankees saw him turn into a SOLID setup man to wetteland and when wetteland left they decided to let Mariano close as he was a solid setup man and they knew from that he had the makeup to close. had there been an opening in the rotation at the start of his 2nd year he most likely would have been starting.

        • Eatdust666

          3 years ago

          He had an ERA over 5.00 as a starter, so I would say he was a failed starter.

    • HaloHonk4Life

      3 years ago

      Impressed with The Twins because they tried to off load with a ssd’s suspect arm?

      Reply
  4. Eta34

    3 years ago

    Hahahahahahaha

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  5. looiebelongsinthehall

    3 years ago

    No issues since we don’t know what was provided beforehand or what’s I. The medicals. Trades are never a guarantee but Boston has to be nervous after all of the trades DD made for pitching.

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    • axisofhonor25

      3 years ago

      I know that the Red Sox are citing health as the concern here, but part of me wonders if they realized last minute that they may have been getting fleeced on the deal and wanted to ask for more.

      Reply
      • deweybelongsinthehall

        3 years ago

        So many are saying the Sox got fleeced but so many others disagree. Funny that many saying now the return was crap were the same who said beforehand that the return for a rental and an over the hill starter was going to be minimal.

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        • dkcsmc1991

          3 years ago

          Plus they are getting the benefit of offloading salary.

  6. Russianblue35

    3 years ago

    Whoops!

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  7. legionofms

    3 years ago

    ANDDDDDDDD this trade is dead in the water

    Reply
    • dodgerskingsfan

      3 years ago

      not yet dead. im sure it’ll work out. deal isnt dead.

      Reply
    • 5toolMVP

      3 years ago

      Not really. Could find another 3rd team or Dodgers sweeten the deal with a player or take on a few more $$ of the Price contract or both.

      Reply
      • halo6219

        3 years ago

        I don’t believe they were able to get a deal done and that is why they added the Twins…it will either be find another 3rd team…Twins add a player or deal is done…Dodgers won’t add players or eat more contract then already agreed…

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    • Strike Four

      3 years ago

      All the Dodgers have to do is give Boston Josiah Gray and its fine.

      Reply
      • puigpower

        3 years ago

        Hahahahaha

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      • ElysianPark

        3 years ago

        Lol……dream on.

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      • ElysianPark

        3 years ago

        Lol……dream on.

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      • fieldsj2

        3 years ago

        Only the Reds are that dumb, fleeced us!

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      • wrongway2011

        3 years ago

        Agreed. Perfect solution. Dodgers can separately trade Maeda to Twins for Graterol if they choose.

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      • MrAngelFan

        3 years ago

        Josiah Gray for 1 year of Betts isnt happening. Price even at half the price of $16M/year is negative value.

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      • fox471

        3 years ago

        Why not Bellinger, moron?

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  8. TwinkieFaninFla

    3 years ago

    It’s unfortunate that Boston sought to change the deal. Kudos to Twins FO for standing firm.

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    • djdewman

      3 years ago

      Agree

      Reply
    • CKinSTL

      3 years ago

      If the Red Sox did a physical on Graterol and found something that was not included in his medical records – they have every right to decline the deal or try to restructure it.

      That’s not to say the Twins were intentionally concealing or overlooking medical issues.. there could just be a difference in opinion between the two medical staffs or an additional concern has surfaced since Graterol’s last physical.

      Reply
    • thetruth

      3 years ago

      So it’s OK to trade injured players? Twins tried to cheat and got caught.

      Reply
      • Commonsenseslapsyou

        3 years ago

        He’s not hurt you Buffon

        He’s healthy. Boston knew of his injury history. They balked when the media got word of the deal and started to criticize

        Stop making crap up my god

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      • Cornholio

        3 years ago

        He’s not injured. He hit 100 mph+ in every outing, including the last one. No ones trying to cheat anyone. Just a difference of opinion on the medicals.

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      • Col. Taylor

        3 years ago

        This is Acirema, there is no truth.

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    • martras

      3 years ago

      The Twins haven’t stood firm. They offered another top 20 prospect to get the trade done. The Red Sox have poo-poo’d that too. I think Boston is looking like a bunch of manipulative, disorganized hacks at this point.

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      • gcc

        3 years ago

        if the medical records show a problem then just a top 20 player isnt enough it should be someone comparable to him a top 5 prospect as with an injury he is just a lottery ticket.

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  9. CaseyAbell

    3 years ago

    This is starting to look like baseball’s version of the Iowa Democratic caucus. I wonder if any of these deals will get done.

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    • nick effing punto

      3 years ago

      Touché

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    • looiebelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      Too much risk for Boston not to trade both players. If either get hurt, the a Sox remain above the tax. Now that it’s come out that the Red Sox will pay 50% of Price’s contract (assuming the prior report was accurate), perhaps St. Louis or Atlanta get involved and the players are traded separately.

      Reply
    • Mo4ever

      3 years ago

      political turd in the pool

      Reply
  10. All American Johnsonville Dogs

    3 years ago

    Padres should jump in

    Padres get Maeda Price

    Red Sox take Myers Verdugo Naylor Quantril and Miller

    Dodgers get Betts

    Reply
    • Strike Four

      3 years ago

      lmao stop putting Myers in every deal NO ONE wants him!!!

      Your trade actually works if you remove Myers.

      Reply
      • padreforlife

        3 years ago

        It’s Padre fan delusion they keep thinking Myers has value but he just ruins deal

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        • luckyh

          3 years ago

          Meyers could have worked before Moreland was signed, No more.

        • All American Johnsonville Dogs

          3 years ago

          Padres taking all of prices contract can’t happen unless red Sox take Myers which saves the red sox money and fills a need at 1st.

        • Eatdust666

          3 years ago

          Do they think he has value or do they just want him gone?

      • Ryan Wheeler

        3 years ago

        ^and Price/Maeda also doesn’t make any sense for the Padres. They’re trying to decrease bad contracts not take on more.

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        • jbigz12

          3 years ago

          Getting rid of Wil Myers is getting rid of a bad contract. Wil myers has no value.

        • Bennybosox

          3 years ago

          If the Sox are still willing to pay down Price’s deal to $16M per year and Maeda’s contract is actually one of the more team friendly deals in MLB, than this actually isn’t a bad deal for a team looking to add 2 quality veteran starters

        • empirejim

          3 years ago

          Maeda isn’t a bad contract….\

        • Jeff Zanghi

          3 years ago

          The Dodgers are taking Price… they obviously wouldn’t be dealing Maeda if they weren’t getting Price… what’s with the people saying a team should step in and grab Maeda and Price… like that makes 0 sense

      • agentx

        3 years ago

        Myers has no value. However, the Red Sox have shown a willingness to pay $48MM over the next three years to offset Price’s deal.

        The Padres including Myers plus $4MM each of the next three years and another $1MM for his 2023 club buyout would have the same net effect as the Red Sox sending $48MM over three years as proposed in the LA/MIN/BOS deal.

        So a deal including talent that BOS considers equal to Verdugo and what they initially thought Graterol was worth plus the “Myers and cash” described above with no BOS money going in San Diego’s direction would deliver the same overall value at
        no additional cost to the Red Sox.

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    • joemoes

      3 years ago

      Problem is Dodgers need a starter so they need one of price or Maeda.

      Reply
      • Donkatsu

        3 years ago

        Dodgers do not need starters…..

        Buehler
        Kershaw
        May
        Gonsolin
        Wood
        Nelson

        Are all starting pitchers and they still have Gray coming up in the minors, they also can use Urias as a starter. This is why they could afford to trade Stripling and Maeda.

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        • Cobby

          3 years ago

          This is why before all of this happened the Dodgers should have thrown more money at Maeda and make him a full time reliever. He’d be one of the best.

        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          The Dodgers don’t seem to be a team that “throws more money” at anyone. The current FO makes calculated financial moves.

          Plus he’s already under contract, if he’s the odd man out of the rotation he’s a full time reliever.

        • Commonsenseslapsyou

          3 years ago

          Last year, you’d have listed Rich Hill there

          He threw 40 innings for the dodgers in 2019

          They love depth. They aren’t dealing Maeda and Stripling without getting a pitcher back

        • differentbears

          3 years ago

          Urias is a starter this year, according to the Dodgers. Right now it’s:

          Buehler
          Kershaw
          Urias
          Maeda
          May
          Stripling
          Gonsolin
          Wood
          Nelson

          If this deal had gone through:

          Buehler
          Kershaw
          Urias
          Price
          May
          Gonsolin
          Wood
          Nelson

          This isn’t mentioning any other AAA guys they could throw out there.

    • AllRiseForTheJudge

      3 years ago

      Why would the Padres get involved in helping to make a divisional rival better? They’re trying to get closer to LA, not increase the gap.

      Reply
      • Fred

        3 years ago

        The Padres never had a shot at the division either way. If you’re San Diego, you’re looking at improving your wild card chances

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        • zuma

          3 years ago

          The Padres play the Dodgers 19 times., that hurts their WC prospects.

        • AllRiseForTheJudge

          3 years ago

          This

    • BigFred

      3 years ago

      If the Dodgers just made a tentative deal to get Betts & Price for Verdugo & Maeda, why would they trade those same two guys for just Betts?

      Reply
      • AGAVE

        3 years ago

        Maeda’s contract I belief is team friendly and benefits Maeda on his performance year long.
        Moving Maeda would be to fit Price in as Kenta has asked to be a starter

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  11. Fire Jon Daniels

    3 years ago

    They’ll still be able to flip Maeda for a nice prospect and figure this all out I hope

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  12. Phantomofdb

    3 years ago

    GOOD JOB TWINS FO!!!!

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  13. throwinched10

    3 years ago

    I would be pretty upset if I were the Dodgers, Twins, and Angels.

    Reply
    • Padres2019ha

      3 years ago

      So, everybody

      Reply
    • looiebelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      Why blame Boston when no one knows what they were told or what’s in the records? Too much guessing to place blame.

      Reply
      • GFY

        3 years ago

        You blame Boston because most avid baseball fans knew Graterol profiled as a reliever WITHOUT seeing his medical records. So Boston’s reasoning is complete BS and the real reason was buyer’s remorse on the part of Boston, after they received all the backlash for not getting enough in return.

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        • AllRiseForTheJudge

          3 years ago

          Except that it’s entirely plausible that Boston’s team physician saw something in Graterol’s medicals that makes him a one-inning guy, or a more significant injury than what was diagnosed by Minnesota’s team physician, or that his MRI revealed structural damage that requires surgery and will prevent him from performing.

          You’re blaming Boston for balking at the medical records of a prospect with a pretty serious injury history. You must be a Twins fan because they’re the only people I’ve seen making these asinine comments.

        • Berger

          3 years ago

          Complete BS? Really? They had a agreement in place contingent on the medical examination and records! Not on what they could assume or may know…
          When those examinations and records are reviewed then the trade is announced.
          I am completely amazed at the complete lack of comprehension of so many within this forum that so willingly express their ignorance on the process that’s been there for years..
          Union and Boras don’t like it because it took place so close to spring training.
          Get a freakin clue people before you rant!

        • looiebelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Sorry GFY. Other than Twins fans, most other avid baseball fans haven’t seen enough of him to develop that profile. Regardless, teams have different visions and Boston has been burned too many times recently when trading for relievers. Without seeing the records or knowing what was disclosed beforehand not one fan is in position to blame any team. Too bad it got released before the trade was finalized.

        • GFY

          3 years ago

          @AllRiseForTheJudge

          Well, clearly you have a short memory. The original reason Boston gave for wanting more was that they thought Graterol profiles as a STARTER. Then they saw his medicals and say they NOW view him as a reliever. I was just pointing out that any avid baseball fan knew Graterol was a reliever before any light of this trade came about, WITHOUT seeing his medicals. Anyone that didn’t know that, is not an avid baseball fan, rather they are just an avid fan of the baseball team they root for. If it comes out that there is concern Graterol may have a long-term injury, which could possibly prevent him from having ANY kind of career – only then would Boston’s actions be justified. Otherwise, my original post is spot on.

          For the record, I’m a Dodgers fan and I don’t care that the Twins pulled out, because Friedman will get this done regardless, IF it makes sense for the Dodgers still. Additionally, whether Mookie Betts plays for the Dodgers or not this year, I’ll enjoy watching our teams play each other in the 2020 World Series, since I was born in 1984 and have never had the pleasure of watching a Dodgers-Yankees WS in real-time.

        • Tipsy McStagger

          3 years ago

          GFY — This is from over a year ago on Prospect361. Other prospect analysis sites have made similar comments. THUS, you are INCORRECT when you state that only Twins fans were privy to some secret Graterol profile.

          “After seeing him pitch at the highest level, with his size and max effort, Graterol might work better out of the bullpen. If he does, it could be special. As a starter, I think the ceiling is more of a number three starter. Maybe a little more if he improves his control. Regardless, he should see considerable time in Minnesota in 2020.”

        • GFY

          3 years ago

          @Berger

          See the first portion of my response to AllRise, then see my username, which is an acronym for what you can go do thereafter.

        • GFY

          3 years ago

          @ Tipsy McStagger

          Thanks for pointing out the lack of your post’s viability with your first sentence. That was over a year ago. After he already had TJ surgery, but before he then had shoulder issues this past season. The combination of those 2 is why anyone that knows about baseball and pitching, already knew he was destined for relief work.

          It was a good try though.

        • Tipsy McStagger

          3 years ago

          Sorry, a previous response that I posted for GFY was meant for looiebelongsinthehall — Here is a post from SBNation from January of 2018:

          It’s a bit of an odd delivery. He doesn’t use his lower half as much as a traditional pitcher might, almost stopping himself short and letting his arm do the rest of the work. And it’s here that you can see where there’s some worry. His short-stride, aggressive motion coupled with a head whack is usually a no-no for starters.

        • Tipsy McStagger

          3 years ago

          GFY — Reread my last comment. I was actually arguing WITH you, not against you. I just put in the wrong person’s name.

        • GFY

          3 years ago

          @Tipsy McStagger

          My apologies, I’m guilty of not reading your entire response. I jumped the gun…had bi-lateral hernia surgery yesterday and am hopped up on Percocets, lol. Actually the only reason I’m on the comments section today…have to give myself something to do while laid up in bed

        • Redsox#00001

          3 years ago

          Relievers become starters on a regular basis and have for decades such as Rich Hill

  14. CLKR

    3 years ago

    Still would prefer the Twins FO to pursue another starter, but for now let’s just sign Walker and or Cashner and call it an offseason.

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    • empirejim

      3 years ago

      Twins farm must be pretty sad if Walker or Cashner look appealing

      Reply
      • twins33

        3 years ago

        Twins have a top 5 farm. They shouldn’t be signing the players mentioned

        Reply
  15. amk3510

    3 years ago

    Chaim Bloom should have stayed in Tampa where he can trade for prospects and no one cares. He can’t handle the pressure of Boston.

    Reply
    • looiebelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      Actually I think he’s handling things perfectly. Historically when changing managers, a team often looks for the opposite style to change things up. Here with the executive position. Sherington produced a title but held on to all his prospects. DD came in and was aggressive in the trade market. Now Bloom is taking his time, trying to make sure this blockbuster if completed is in the team’s long term interests.

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  16. Padres2019ha

    3 years ago

    The Preller pounce

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  17. sacball

    3 years ago

    Best offseason ever!!

    Reply
  18. dman07

    3 years ago

    Lol this sucks. Good for the Twins for standing their ground on this one

    Reply
    • thetruth

      3 years ago

      You mean for trading a player with injuries they hid?

      Reply
      • macstruts

        3 years ago

        Everyone but the Red Sox seemed to know he was more suited for the pen than the rotation.

        You want to use “Red Sox Ignorance” as a defense, only a Red Sox fan will buy it.

        Reply
      • KDDtwins

        3 years ago

        You would think “thetruth” would have a clue but I guess not

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    • larry48

      3 years ago

      twins suck, they will have trouble finding a trade partner for a long time

      Reply
      • wjf010

        3 years ago

        Sorry, Larry. It’s the Red Sox causing the problem, not the Twins.

        The Twins didn’t change their minds and want more than Maeda. It was Boston.

        Some people have no basic logic reasoning skills. Must be a Red Sox fan who wants more for one single season of Mookie.

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  19. davidkaner

    3 years ago

    Minnesota needed that pitcher more than Red Sox needed Graterol. Minnesota knows his arm isn’t great that why they traded him in the first place.

    Reply
    • Phantomofdb

      3 years ago

      lol, no. And minnesota *definitely* didn’t need a mid-back end rotation piece for 2 top 10 prospects

      Reply
      • thetruth

        3 years ago

        Maeda is actually better than all their other starters. Minnesota’s rotation is really bad, but Maeda would actually be their best starter despite Berrios continuing his pretending that he’s an ace.

        Minny’s top two are Berrios and Odorizzi.

        Odorizzi: 4.33 xFIP in 2019.

        Berrios: 4.32 xFIP in 2019.

        Both had extremely lucky ERAs in 2019.

        Maeda: 4.04 xFIP in 2019

        Maeda would be their best starter.

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        • Eh33

          3 years ago

          You are obsessed with trash talking the Twins. Settle down guy!

  20. biasisrelitive

    3 years ago

    Good for the twins sticking to thier evaluations and not getting bullied into something

    Reply
    • tomsack

      3 years ago

      twins suck.

      Reply
      • mstrchef13

        3 years ago

        Is that why they won 101 games last year? Because they suck?

        Reply
        • thetruth

          3 years ago

          They got lucky, they won’t make the playoffs this year. Their pitching is really bad.

      • Joel

        3 years ago

        Tomsuck

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    • thetruth

      3 years ago

      They lied and are getting their comeuppance.

      Reply
      • macstruts

        3 years ago

        So everyone knows more about this guy than the Red Sox?

        Be proud Red Sox, your fans think you are idiots.

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      • wjf010

        3 years ago

        What did they lie about? Everyone knows Graterol had TJ and a shoulder issue.

        Red Sox had buyers remorse and their stupid fans can’t get over it.

        Graterol is plenty for Maeda. Stand firm, Falvey and Levine.

        Reply
  21. macn307

    3 years ago

    FO of Twins not having it. Good for them.

    Reply
    • thetruth

      3 years ago

      Huh? They lied.

      Reply
      • KDDtwins

        3 years ago

        About what?

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      • Commonsenseslapsyou

        3 years ago

        No they didn’t

        Boston illegally leaked the problem was with the twins prospect to gain more leverage

        That’s the problem! Not holding up a trade, but doing it in the media!

        And yes, it’s 100% Boston doing this. The twins wouldn’t be saying our guy is injured and the dodgers don’t give an F about a prospect they won’t touch

        It’s your team. They’re being d**ks

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        • Javia

          3 years ago

          Actually none of the 3 teams involved in the trade have done anything wrong. The Twins didn’t lie about Graterol’s medicals. They made public what they were allowed to make public. They had their own opinion on his medical status. The Sox had a different opinion. They did not leak any information. They just said that they weren’t happy/willing to make the trade after they had seen his medicals. They did not leak specifics. Nothing wrong or against the rules happened. It’s just the fans who are getting emotional.

  22. ScottCFA

    3 years ago

    The Red Sox have become a dumpster fire. First they dump Dombrowski a year after winning the World Series. Then they dump Cora. They’re still under investigation for their own sign-stealing. Now their new GM reneges on a tentative deal even though much of Graterol’s medicals were already known. Dumpster fire!

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    • looiebelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      What was known Scott? Teams can’t exchange actual records until after a trade is otherwise complete? Dump Cora? He dumped himself. Investigation supposedly is to be announced next week and rumors are not much us expected to be revealed. Otherwise, the team wouldn’t have addressed publicly the managerial situation yesterday. Remember, the Globe is owned by Henry.

      Reply
    • triber4life

      3 years ago

      I agree Scott. Watching this team.lose in the off-season is almost as good as seeing them when they lose this season.

      Reply
      • thetruth

        3 years ago

        Dumb comment. Cora dumped himself, DD killed the farm and Minnesota lied about Graterol. Get a clue. Oh and the cheating lol, not even relevant

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        • triber4life

          3 years ago

          HaHa. Will that help you sleep at night telling yourself that? RedSox deserve every penalty they get and more. Cora was not some rogue agent. HaHa. And no proof Minn lied about the prospect. Seems Boston got buyers remorse. You can try to hold your head up high but like Astros, they’re cheaters and I will make it my life mission to remind the world of it. Burn RedSox burn

  23. whyhayzee

    3 years ago

    Suspicious. Maybe the Twins are trying to be shady dealers like the yankees so they can pound them in the postseason. It worked for the Astros. Go Twins! Pound the yankees! Maybe they need Graterol for plunking purposes.

    Reply
    • Strike Four

      3 years ago

      Graterol isn’t having any effect in the 2020 postseason, smh

      Reply
      • nick effing punto

        3 years ago

        Sarcasm

        Reply
    • ednickelson

      3 years ago

      Explain how the Twins were shady. Its been known by fans Graterol is likely a bullpen arm because of injuries. The Sox trying to bully away another prospect is shady

      Reply
      • AllRiseForTheJudge

        3 years ago

        As I’ve said about a dozen times since yesterday, it may have been REPORTED by the media that Graterol is a reliever, but there could very well be something in his medicals that wasn’t public knowledge because, well, releasing medical records is technically a felony.

        Boston would not have access to those records until the trade was otherwise agreed upon. You don’t know what information in those records caused concern. Graterol’s shoulder could be falling apart and you’d still blame Boston for “wanting more”. Yeah, I’d say a pitching prospect with no arm is cause for demanding more for one of the top 5 players on the planet.

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      • macstruts

        3 years ago

        The only people who think the Twins were shady are crazy Red Sox fans attempting to justify the teams ignorance.

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    • Mo4ever

      3 years ago

      Wayhazy dragging the Yankees into this because he’s a 65-year-old teenager Red Sox fan who is obsessed with the Yankees. It’s sad, really. Just sad to see a man so distraught over a rival it’s all he can think about in his retirement.

      Reply
  24. shortytallz

    3 years ago

    Tony Clarke whineathon incoming in 3… 2…

    Reply
  25. CaseyAbell

    3 years ago

    One more comment: Betts may be the big winner here. His stats will look a lot better in Fenway, a paradise for right-handed hitters, than they would in Dodger Stadium, not a paradise for any-handed hitters. Toss in twenty or so games in San Francisco and San Diego, and he probably would have hit something like what he did on the road in 2019: .275/.373/.480. Still good, but not gigantic numbers heading into free agency.

    Reply
    • looiebelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      He’s not staying in Boston regardless unless the team kisses his butt and offers Trout numbers which is never happening.

      Reply
  26. Finlander

    3 years ago

    Gonna be fun watching the Sox whiffing against their guy Graterol over the next few years.

    Reply
    • thetruth

      3 years ago

      Our down the pipe.

      Reply
  27. HaloHonk4Life

    3 years ago

    The Dodgers can give them another player.

    Reply
  28. HaloHonk4Life

    3 years ago

    The Dodgers can give them another player.

    Reply
    • terry

      3 years ago

      If the Dodgers were willing to give up another player.,they would have or the player they offered Boston didn’t want. This trade could very well be dead.

      Reply
  29. Yossi Ronnen

    3 years ago

    Ha, this off-season is way more entertaining than the regular season games.

    Reply
    • Les Chesterfield

      3 years ago

      Like someone was writing a script…..seriously

      Reply
  30. lowtalker1

    3 years ago

    Betts to padres

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  31. downsr30

    3 years ago

    Yikes. I thought the Red Sox were making out pretty good on this deal. Verdugo isn’t Betts, but he reminds me a lot of Michael Brantley. Couple that with the relief of salary of half of the Price contract and getting a flame thrower from Minnesota, it looked like a great deal. The only team I didn’t like the deal for was the Twins as Graterol could outperform Maeda in 2020 alone, not to mention years of control ahead and potential dominance. If Graterol does indeed have injury concerns, that’s too bad, otherwise this could be a blessing in disguise for Minnesota.

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    • looiebelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      Nice comparison as Brantley has been hurt a lot. Special player when healthy. Difference though is above the neck. From what has been written, Brantley is a true professional one who could improve any clubhouse. In his short start in LA, Verdugo has done nothing to suggest that.

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      • downsr30

        3 years ago

        You’re also talking about a kid that’s 23 years old and walked into one of the biggest markets around. It’s not easy being a kid and walking into Hollywood like that. I do agree that Brantley has always been a pretty composed and seemingly intelligent player, but I was comparing tools more than anything. High average, good contact skills, mediocre power. I’m not ready to say Verdugo’s character is a weakness yet, I’m willing to say he’s a kid right now. Give it 2-3 years and if he’s still having issues, I agree, it’s a bigger issue.

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        • ElysianPark

          3 years ago

          Are you actually Anthony Rendon? Los Angeles is not Hollywood. Verdugo’s maturity was questioned in the minors. It has nothing to do with playing where he does. It is his personality.

  32. downsr30

    3 years ago

    Yikes. I thought the Red Sox were making out pretty good on this deal. Verdugo isn’t Betts, but he reminds me a lot of Michael Brantley. Couple that with the relief of salary of half of the Price contract and getting a flame thrower from Minnesota, it looked like a great deal. The only team I didn’t like the deal for was the Twins as Graterol could outperform Maeda in 2020 alone, not to mention years of control ahead and potential dominance. If Graterol does indeed have injury concerns, that’s too bad, otherwise this could be a blessing in disguise for Minnesota.

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  33. twins33

    3 years ago

    Good. As much as I like and want Maeda, he’s not worth two Twins top 10 prospects.

    Not sure the Twins can get anything of value out of Graterol now, at least before the season starts, which sucks because I have been all for trading him.

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  34. windycitykid89

    3 years ago

    CHAOS!

    I love it.

    Reply
  35. kenphelps44

    3 years ago

    Bloom should get Tampa Bay to trade for Maeda and flip the prospect(s) LA receives to Boston. Bloom know the Rays system inside-out. The Rays appear to be going for it and have shown they will deal talent from their system. Even if either LA or Boston have to eat some of Maeda’s contract it still works and everyone is happy in the end.

    Reply
    • michaeljswag

      3 years ago

      You’re insane if you think Betts gets traded within the AL East

      Reply
      • agentx

        3 years ago

        Think you misread the kenphelps44 post about Bloom and the Rays, Mr. Swag.

        Reply
    • moosedrool

      3 years ago

      Ray’s fan here, I think our SP will be fine. We won’t see a lot of openers this upcoming season. Would like Maeda, but would prefer that Boston gets stuck with a grumpy Price.

      Reply
      • StPeteStingRays

        3 years ago

        Wouldn’t Maeda easily push Chirinos or Yarbs down the depth chart?

        Reply
    • StPeteStingRays

      3 years ago

      I was thinking the same thing. It would be a Rays reunion of sorts with Friedman and Bloom. Interesting at the very least.

      Reply
  36. realgone2

    3 years ago

    This Bloom guy seems like a bozo.

    Reply
  37. Point-Special

    3 years ago

    I think this whole thing started because the Red Sox saw how much heat they were getting for doing the trade in the first place. My gut says there was nothing wrong with the medicals, and the Red Sox just pulled this crap out of sellers remorse….

    Reply
    • looiebelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      Not sure where the crap is coming from. I’ve been listening to EEI in the morning and heard nothing. Just as many seemed to be in favor on the return (not counting those who want him re-signed at any cost).

      Reply
    • GMB 883

      3 years ago

      Do you really believe that? Come on these GM’s and front office people all know each other. That would not go over well with the GM’s and Owners in the league. The Sox owners have 4 WS since they bought the team. You think they are worried about pressure. Hell no. Unless they can’t get reasonable value, Mookie is going bye bye. He wants way too much $.

      Reply
    • Les Chesterfield

      3 years ago

      Heat ?? Of course every Red Sox fan hated it. That’s easy to predict. They got a ton of value in return. They are just greedy or had to throw in too much money

      Reply
      • theredsoxrule

        3 years ago

        every red sox fan hated it? if you’re talking about trading Betts than please don’t say every fan because im happy we are trading Betts especially since he turned down 10yrs 300mill and asked for 12yrs 420mill…the best thing Boston can do is trade Betts

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      • luckyh

        3 years ago

        I am not happy about trading Betts, but it has to be done to hit the reset on the lux tax. I keep hearing people say that is bs, but you build the farm on the draft and on international signing. The money and the slots lost via penalties are substantial. They need to do this. I think LA needs to do it as well, Mookie is a big splash and most fans seemed to welcome the deal.

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  38. Dr_Doom14

    3 years ago

    Angels should throw someone in the mix for Maeda and get this deal done! This trade catapults the Angels to favorites in the West imo

    Reply
    • Padres2019ha

      3 years ago

      because
      of
      Maeda
      ?

      Reply
    • terry

      3 years ago

      haha ha

      Reply
    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      Dr. Doom, The Dodgers want to unload Joc Pederson’s salary. The Angels can’t take on Meada’s and Pederson’s salary and still stay under the threshold.

      Everyone wants to stay under the threshold. I’m sure the Angels would love to acquire Maeda, but not if they have to take Pederson.

      Reply
      • mlb1225

        3 years ago

        Include La Stella in the deal. He isn’t going to see much time in an Angels uniform. Maybe send him to the Red Sox, send a mid-tier prospect to the Dodgers for Maeda. Both Maeda and La Stella are making about the same next season.

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        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          People don’t understand Maeda’s contract. As a starter, Maeda will make over ten million dollars.

      • NyyfaninLAA land

        3 years ago

        The Angels are still nearly $12 million under the threshold with Pederson and Stripling added in already.

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    • Good Guys

      3 years ago

      The Angels could get Betts, Verdugo, and Maeda and still wouldn’t be favorites to win anything.

      Reply
      • AllRiseForTheJudge

        3 years ago

        I’m pretty sure putting Verdugo and Betts next to Trout and having a 2-3-4-5 of Verdugo, Betts, Trout, Rendon in any order you prefer makes them just as good as Houston’s on-paper, presumably-not-cheating team.

        There’s also the Joe Maddon factor, in that Joe Maddon is a far superior manager to Dusty Baker, and the Angels aren’t coming off a cheating scandal with every eye in the world on them. If the Angels make that swap, they win the division IMO.

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        • thetruth

          3 years ago

          Lol Houston’s lineup and pitching would still be better. So would Oakland’s.

      • Vizionaire

        3 years ago

        dumdum!

        Reply
    • Les Chesterfield

      3 years ago

      I agree. Angels staff is terrible. There best pitcher is a DH lmao. How are they even a serious team ??

      Reply
      • halofanatic

        3 years ago

        Muuuuuuuuuch improved from the end of last season. Monster staff? No. But very improved. Good enough to push for a playoff spot.

        Reply
  39. Al Hirschen

    3 years ago

    Now is the time for the Mets BVW it jump in and get Mookie. I really hope this trade blows up and Boston looks like dumb asses with Mookie and Price showing up when camp starts

    Reply
    • GMB 883

      3 years ago

      That would not be a bad thing. Mookie would like to stay in Boston so maybe that happens and they end up paying him his $400M and they trade Price and JBJ which also gets them under the $208 CBT tax. Or they trade Price at the deadline. Chaim is smart and the Sox owners have 4 WS for a reason. They know what their doing.

      Reply
      • thetruth

        3 years ago

        Lol Mookie hates Boston, which is why he wants to test free agency unless they well overpay. He wants money and he isn’t loyal at all.

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        • IceBox

          3 years ago

          Id hate Boston as well with if I had to put up with fans like you. We get it, you think the Twins lied (even though you are wrong) just give it up.

  40. tsolo85

    3 years ago

    Pulling out: the most effective method

    Reply
    • realgone2

      3 years ago

      Well that or taking it in the rear. Which red sox fans think was gonna happen if this trade went through.

      Reply
    • Les Chesterfield

      3 years ago

      I disagree. But then again I got 5 kids

      Reply
  41. ctguy

    3 years ago

    Twins did the right thing. Good job by their management.

    Reply
  42. AllRiseForTheJudge

    3 years ago

    I think everyone knew this was coming. Let’s see how many people jump to blame the Sox for this.

    Reply
    • Mjm117

      3 years ago

      Who else is there to blame but Boston?

      Reply
      • graysky

        3 years ago

        Umm, how about the media who reported this as a done deal when it wasn’t? None of the teams involved announced anything. “Pending physicals” is the key here and in any trade.

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      • AllRiseForTheJudge

        3 years ago

        Well, if Minnesota told Boston they were getting a healthy top prospect and Graterol is, in fact, not healthy, you blame Minnesota. You can’t really blame Boston over something you can’t know until records are furnished. For all any of us know, Graterol’s elbow is done and he’s headed for a second TJS.

        We have no idea. Assuming Boston is lying about being concerned with medicals to get out of making a trade they want to make is preposterous.

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        • twins33

          3 years ago

          Graterol IS healthy. He came back last year after the shoulder impingement and pitched in September and the postseason. He’s in Fort Myers right now working out. So unless something happened to him in the offseason that is not being reported…

          Now there may be something in his medicals, wouldn’t surprise me, the concern is legit. He is a health risk, but there is absolutely nothing out there that says he can’t throw a baseball at all. The Twins were/are going to put him in the BP which means he is healthy.

        • twins33

          3 years ago

          Just saw a picture of Graterol throwing a bullpen. Didn’t see or read about him grabbing his arm and walking off. Yep, healthy.

          Being healthy and being concerned about his future health can coexist at the same time. If he’s able to pitch (not start spring training/the season on the IL), then he’s healthy.

    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      They should be blamed. The Sox want to dump Price on someone and they expect full value for Betts. No one wants Price. Getting five years, 3.1 WAR at age 23, who will almost certainly get better, and a top 100 pitching prospect for one year of Betts is not a bad deal. However, when you throw in Price, it all of a sudden turns into a good deal.

      Reply
  43. jjtp1983

    3 years ago

    Hopefully Angels can get Maeda instead of Stripling and not have to give up any of their top prospects

    Reply
    • Horace Fury

      3 years ago

      I’m all for Maeda going to LAA and Stripling going to the Red Sox as the finishing touches to make up for the Minnesota withdrawal.

      Reply
      • macstruts

        3 years ago

        The Angels wont take on the salary of Pederson and Maeda. The Red Sox wont take on the salary of Maeda.

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    • empirejim

      3 years ago

      No prospects at all needed to get Maeda, just tell Trout to head for the real LA

      Reply
  44. jimthegoat

    3 years ago

    What happened to the trade becoming official yesterday?

    Reply
    • realgone2

      3 years ago

      HA, Yeah some dude on here yesterday was adamant it was still happening.

      Reply
  45. revolt1799

    3 years ago

    It would be interesting if the rangers became the new third team if they want to replace Minnesota. Maybe acquire pollock without taking on much money from dodgers for a guy like Brock Burke or Jonathan Hernández who while not much success at majors, has some solid upside and pollock fill that center field need they have and keep Santana as a utility man. And plus if pollock stays healthy which is unlikely with his injury history he could definitely hit nicely in Texas

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    • tsc32

      3 years ago

      That would require LAD to send another stud prospect to Boston to satisfy them which I doubt LAD wants to do

      Reply
      • revolt1799

        3 years ago

        Well the dodgers do have one of the deepest farm in baseball so they could still give up a good prospect without giving their top 5 prospects

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        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          Revolt, then they need more money to take Price’s contract and then Boston wont get under the cap.

          The Dodgers don’t need to make this trade, the other three teams do.

        • revolt1799

          3 years ago

          I’m saying the rangers take on about a 3rd of pollock remaining contract. They still trade Pederson to angels to lose the 7.5 million on him, send Verdugo, maeta, and maybe Josiah gray or Mitchell white goes to Boston, and dodgers still get price and Betts but with the rangers taking a 3rd of pollock contract and Pederson contract going to angels, that should balance the money enough where both Red Sox get under tax and dodgers get their guys

        • revolt1799

          3 years ago

          And add Burke or Hernández like I mentioned earlier and that package right there I believe would be enough to get deal done…

        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          The Angels don’t want Pederson, they accepted his contract to get Stripland.

        • revolt1799

          3 years ago

          So the trade I’m proposing is…

          Dodgers: Betts, Price (From Boston)
          Red Sox: Verdugo, Maeda, Burke, & White
          Rangers: pollock, & cash (from LA)

        • ElysianPark

          3 years ago

          Why would the Dodgers do that? Just because they have prospects they should hand them over?

        • revolt1799

          3 years ago

          Mitchell White isn’t a top 5 prospect in the dodgers farm, but he has some upside that the Red Sox want, and Brock Burke is an elite prospect either, Verdugo and Maeda would be major league assets they want, dodgers still get the guys they want in Betts and Price to take Maeda place, and get some relief on the pollock deal cause the rangers get him…

        • revolt1799

          3 years ago

          Isnt*… Brock Burke isn’t an elite prospect is want I meant

        • larry48

          3 years ago

          no way

        • fox471

          3 years ago

          No!

  46. CLKR

    3 years ago

    Twins bullpen is gonna be nasty.

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  47. Jjfleury

    3 years ago

    As a Twins fan I am ok with this. Graterol is a stud in the making. If he does not become a starter he will be a lights out closer. I thought Maeda for Graterol who is MLB ready was a pretty steep price for a mid rotation arm. Graterol has the potential to be an Ace and of he doesn’t make it as a starter he will be an All Star closer.

    Paying more for Maeda is a mistake. Sorry Boston your loss. The Twins can get another arm like Tijuan Walker and keep Graterol.

    Reply
    • empirejim

      3 years ago

      Lol at Tijuan Walker…….. Cant stay healthy. If you are going to gamble on him, why not just gamble on Graterol if you think he’s so great?

      Reply
      • Jjfleury

        3 years ago

        Low risk and high reward for Walker. Graterol is one I Hope makes a push for the rotation. Some of the signings like Rich Hill and Homer Bailey might not work. Also a regression from Odo is likely. It is good to have depth and catch lightning in a bottle with a few of them.

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        • twins33

          3 years ago

          Not sure you’ll get lightning in a bottle from a guy who’s reported to only be throwing in the 80s.

  48. Bill Smith

    3 years ago

    Awesome drama. More please.

    Reply
  49. Rickey O'Sunnyvale

    3 years ago

    Why don’t Dodgers and Twins complete trade? LA could use Graterol in the pen and Twins get Kenta. Then Dodgers can give Boston the young starter they want, perhaps Josiah Gray or Mitchell White, whatever color the Red Sox prefer.

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    • puigpower

      3 years ago

      That’s a great idea.

      Reply
      • Horace Fury

        3 years ago

        And I like it, too. Let’s make the trade!

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Unless the medical warning is not B.S. in which case why would the Dodgers do that?

    • agentx

      3 years ago

      There’s a good chance that the Dodgers FO does not value Graterol as highly as Bloom appeared to initially.

      No point throwing a new prospect in the mix and taking Graterol from the Dodgers’ perspective, unless Friedman can sell Bloom on a prospect the Dodgers FO considers less valuable than Graterol.

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      • Moneyballer

        3 years ago

        No no no no. The dodgers aren’t trying to trade maeda without replacing him with Price. Let’s get real.

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    • ElysianPark

      3 years ago

      Sure, just hand them Josiah Gray. Right…..

      Reply
  50. puigpower

    3 years ago

    Boston has all the pressure here. The Twins didn’t NEED to be here, they can go trade Graterol for another Maeda-ish pitcher. So they called Boston’s bluff. I’m proud of their FO.

    But Boston can’t bring Mookie back now. It’s gone way too far. The players aren’t robots.

    And here’s what’s worse for Boston. The following people/entities currently hate Chaim Bloom and Boston:

    Arte Moreno
    The entire Angels team who want Joc and Strip
    Joc and his agent
    Strip and his agent
    Kenta Maeda and his agent
    Alex Verdugo and his agent
    The Twins and their players
    Boston fans
    Dodger fans
    Angel fans
    Twin fans

    That’s a long list. And then there’s the Dodgers, sitting back in their fine ass plush chairs, eating popcorn and saying, “We’re pretty sure we have the division won. We’re not giving you anything else to make this work. Everyone hates you. Figure it out.”

    It would be hilarious if I wasn’t a Dodger fan and I wanted Betts on the team now. But I’m totally understanding of the Dodgers not giving two poops about trying to ease this along for Mr. Bloom.

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    • Yankeepride88

      3 years ago

      It’s business dude. Some people may be upset, but nobody hates him. Overreaction of the year right here.

      Reply
      • luckyh

        3 years ago

        Yankee the voice of reason?! Chaps indeed!

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    • soxfan4381

      3 years ago

      What will be hillarious is when you get bounced out in the playoffs, because you think hoarding prospects wins titles. At least the red Sox actually win titles.

      Reply
    • looiebelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      Please remove me from that list. As a Sox fan, it’s too early to have an opinion on Bloom. He has orders to get under the tax this year at all costs regardless of what Henry has said publicly (in my view). No one knows what’s really going on so why not wait and see what develops?

      Reply
  51. rangers13

    3 years ago

    Dodgers send Verdugo to Sox and Gonsolin to TX. Then TX sends Burke and Taveras to Boston for JBJr. Boston sends Betts and Price to Dodgers as scheduled.

    Reply
  52. bcjd

    3 years ago

    Good.

    Reply
  53. Vizionaire

    3 years ago

    SUX!

    Reply
  54. 55joettt

    3 years ago

    So it’s good for the Twins to stick to their guns but it’s bad that the Sox wanted more than just damaged goods? Good for them they should get more for a superstar even if it’s a one year rental.

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    • twins33

      3 years ago

      In my opinion both are fine. The Sox have every right to legitimately not like a guys medicals and ask for more. The Twins also have every right to not give up two top 10 Twins prospects and only get Maeda in return.

      Maeda is good and I’m higher on him than most Twins fans it appears, but if he’s good, he’ll be making 10-13M as a Twin. Don’t get me wrong, that’s still very good value, but it’s not worth two top 10s. If the Twins were getting Mookie or another player in return then it makes more sense, but for Maeda alone it’s an overpay.

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    • Moneyballer

      3 years ago

      But what is the alternative here? Kill the deal and roll the dice for a deadline deal? That could be an absolute disaster for Boston because instead of a 1 year rental he becomes a half year rental and by that time teams are looking to trade for pitchers not hitters and deals are much cheaper to come by. They honestly could be left with their pants down and egg on their faces should a deal not happen before this season begins.

      Reply
  55. joemoes

    3 years ago

    Interesting twist since it’s about money. Sale wasn’t great either but What if you swap Sale with price and the Red Sox take on the whole contract

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    • Jeff Zanghi

      3 years ago

      What!?! Why in the world would the Red Sox do either of those things? For one they don’t want to include Sale at all — he’s their ace even if he was hurt last year. But if they were for some insane reason inclined to include Sale… then why in the world would they then also pay his entire contract? That makes 0 sense — and even if they did… why would that do anything at all to help this trade get finalizes? Like your comment makes so little sense I don’t even know where to begin…

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  56. GMB 883

    3 years ago

    I think it’s obvious the Dodgers feel the same way about Graterol as the Red Sox or they would complete that trade.
    Good for the Sox they should never accept damaged goods. This trade will get done. Either the Dodgers will give up the young starting pitcher they really don’t want to trade or they will find another team to make it work.

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    • terry

      3 years ago

      I wouldn’t count n that happening.

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  57. empirejim

    3 years ago

    So much for Boston getting under the luxury tax…… And after all is done Mookie walks at seasons end and Boston will get only a compensatory draft pick. Lose-Lose for Boston

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    • Vizionaire

      3 years ago

      and the reputation takes hit, too! lose-lose-lose for sux!

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  58. halloffamernobodycares

    3 years ago

    Dodgers again with the failed trade.

    Got Chapman a couple seasons ago and that fell through.

    Mega-deals not kind to Dodger fans.

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  59. Ab95

    3 years ago

    LAD gets Betts, Price, $. BoSox get Verdugo, Winker, Santillan. Cin gets Seager.

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    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      No way the Dodgers do that.

      Reply
      • Ab95

        3 years ago

        You don’t think the Dodgers would give up Verdugo and 2 years of Seager for Betts and 3 years of Price for like 40 cents on the dollar?

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    • AllRiseForTheJudge

      3 years ago

      The Dodgers would only trade Seager if they got Lindor

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  60. mnglenn

    3 years ago

    good the red sox’s are a bunch of cheating little bitches

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    • Jeff Zanghi

      3 years ago

      Yeah that makes sense…

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    • triber4life

      3 years ago

      I agree Glenn

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  61. Finlander

    3 years ago

    Maeda is such a valuable swing guy, with bullpen splits looking even better than starter numbers, at least for last year. Couple that with a friendly contract, LAD has no motivation to move him w/o Price coming over.

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      3 years ago

      They have every reason to move him. First reason being his contract (not his guarantee but what he is actually being paid with bonuses), along with Pederson, is what keeps them under the CBT if they’re taking on Betts and Price. Second reason being, Maeda has made it very clear that he doesn’t want to be a swingman. When his unhappiness with being used that way became public a couple months ago it became almost inevitable that he’d be traded. So if this trade is going to be salvaged in some way, it still involves Maeda.

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      • Finlander

        3 years ago

        His unhappiness would subside with a Dodgers championship I would guess. He has demonstrated difficulty going deep into games, and the starter/reliever splits are pretty clear. I think MN looked to him as a strong and proven early season bridge in the rotation while waiting for Pineda and Hill to return, then reassess the staff by July. If he is unhappy, I wonder if he would rather start for a last place team than swing for a playoff candidate.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          3 years ago

          Well the Twins aren’t a last place team and Maeda’s performance would be welcome in the bottom half of most rotations but that’s an even more crowded place on the Dodgers roster this year than in prior years. But the point being the relationship between the player and the Dodgers does not seem to be a good one. That’s what I read into what I’ve heard.

        • Finlander

          3 years ago

          Gotcha. Yes, if Maeda is unhappy then Dodgers can get value back for him. I was just speculating on whether Maeda would rather be a starter on a rebuilding Detroit, Seattle, Pittsburg, Baltimore, KC, Miami, etc, approaching his mid 30s, than a swing man for a playoff team. If traded to MN, they would slot him immediately into a thin rotation, then evaluate options when Pineda and Hill return. His playoff experience and success as a reliever obviously comes into play as assets during a stretch run for a playoff bound team. His issue should actually be with his agent for crafting an incentive-laden contract that skews so heavily towards him being a starter. But back to LAD – you’re right, even w/o Price, they seem to be stacked pretty well with starting pitching depth, including in the farm. They can move him.

        • BlueSkies_LA

          3 years ago

          The money has to figure in somehow but Maeda says it isn’t the driving factor. He wants to start. The Dodgers response was to tell him “try harder” and then go out and get a number of other pitchers who fit into the already overcrowded 4-5 slot where he’s been starting. They made him the odd man out. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors, but I think he was clearly disrespected by management.

  62. vp81955

    3 years ago

    How DARE an unimportant franchise such as Minnesota potentially jeopardize a mega-deal involving two of the few teams ESPN cares about! What impudence (he said sarcastically — always good to see the New England Evil Empire wind up with egg on its face).

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  63. tsc32

    3 years ago

    I don’t blame them. It was already a borderline overpay giving Graterol up for Maeda. Boston asking for more is ridiculous.

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  64. bluemarc

    3 years ago

    give them stripling

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    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      The Angels then don’t take Pederson and the Dodgers pass the Threshold.

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  65. jacobsigel1025

    3 years ago

    Verdugo, Josiah Gray, Joe Kelly for Mookie and Price with same money Sox were originally gonna send to LA. Get it done. Gray higher on the prospect charts than Graterol but Boston would also be taking back some money with Kelly instead of eating more money on Price and not getting that additional player. (eating an additional 9 per year by taking Joe back). LA signed Treinen who should bounce back decently so idk if it really hurts them

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    • Jeff Zanghi

      3 years ago

      The Sox wouldn’t do that… they can’t afford to cover half of Price’s contract AND take back Kelly’s $9M — that would make them over the luxury tax and eliminate one of the main goals of the trade. Also it was just a season ago that the Sox blatantly didn’t want to pay Kelly the $ to keep him in Boston, so they obviously don’t feel as though he’s good enough to warrant the $ he’s owed. I would say you’re onto something if the amount of $ the Sox were to cover on Price went down… then taking Kelly instead of covering 50% of Price’s contract would be okay but they cant/shouldnt do both.

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  66. johndietz

    3 years ago

    The Twins didn’t need to be in that trade anyway.

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    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      Actually, the Twins needed to be in this trade. The only team that didn’t need to be in this trade was the Dodgers.

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      • Sky14

        3 years ago

        The Dodgers are getting the best part of the deal. The Twins don’t need Maeda.

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  67. Middlestooge

    3 years ago

    How about sending Maeda to Boston along with Verdugo for Mookie and Price.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      Boston doesn’t want to pay Maeda‘s escalating salary. If he pitches over 160 innings, he is due close to $14M under his contract, so given what they are already agreeing to pay for Price, that amounts to $30M to acquire Maeda ($16M + $14M) and they lose Price too. Just wouldn’t work for what Boston is trying to do.

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      • andrey

        3 years ago

        Boston could immediately trade Maeda to one of several other teams.

        If not then he would be very valuable at the trade deadline. You could easily get more than one pitching prospect in return.

        Maeda’s contract seems to be structured with bonuses so if you trade him at the deadline you don’t have to pay those.

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      • agentx

        3 years ago

        The uncertainty of what Maeda is likely to earn over the next four years is almost more significant a factor than the amount. BOS wants to get under the luxury tax threshold–for sure–and as Dorothy mentioned a strong 2020 season for Maeda jeopardizes that.

        If it wasn’t so close to Spring Training and it was obvious that BOS wanted Maeda, they might be able to renegotiate Maeda’s contract to include more guaranteed money the next three years and then use that fixed compensation to consider how much cash to send to LA with Price.

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      • NyyfaninLAA land

        3 years ago

        Maybe you should go to Cots Contracts and read Maeda”s incentives. Or here:

        $6.5M annually in performance bonuses based on games started: $1M each 15, 20 GS. $1.5M each for 25, 30, 32 GS
        $3.5M annually in performance bonuses based on innings pitched: $250,000 each for 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 IP. $750,000 200 IP

        Expecting Maeda to make 32 starts and go 200 innings is just nuts. MN has a number of options to add to their rotation (Pineda, Hill) as the season rolls along so they can limit Maeda’s workload (even if he doesn’t want the limits). At 28 starts and 180 IP (still perhaps a high estimate) he’d add $6 mil to his 3.15 base (and the $1 mil assignment bonus he gets from the trade but who knows who will pay that) If he works that much for a contender he’s worth far more than that.
        Frankly if you look at Maeda’s and Price’s numbers over the last 2 seasons (WAR wouldn’t agree but the stat lines might) Maeda looks very comparable and far more durable than a 3 year older Price.

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    • Jeff Zanghi

      3 years ago

      Why would the Red Sox want to do that? The whole point is to dump salary and get young, cheap, promising prospects… Maeda certainly doesn’t fit that description.

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  68. jdodge22

    3 years ago

    Thank you!!! The Sox were going to get two guys with recent serious injury concerns? Crazy. I don’t blame the twins for not kicking in more. All they would’ve gotten was Maeda? The Dodgers are the ones that are getting the steal here. The money is nothing to them and they’re getting a top 3 player and a potential #2 starter.

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    • AllRiseForTheJudge

      3 years ago

      David Price stopped being a #2 starter when he couldn’t perform in the playoffs

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      • jscout33

        3 years ago

        Should have been MVP in 2018 against the Dodgers, but yeah, enjoy the outdated hot take…

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  69. Dorothy_Mantooth

    3 years ago

    I can’t wait for the Minn / BOS series now. No question that Rocco will bring out Graterol every chance he gets against them and try to make them look foolish for passing on the deal.

    LA Dodgers can fix this easily by including Gonsolin or Gray in the deal. If I recall, neither are home grown prospects; they were recently acquired in other Dodgers trades (Gray for sure). Teams acquire prospects to both replenish their ML roster and to deal for ML-ready players. Dodgers really need to get this deal done as prospects > < major league success. Verdugo, Gonsolin could do it, but Boston could want one more piece since LA is getting Price for $16M/yr. Now that teams know Boston will pay 1/2 of Price’s contract, he could get moved in a separate deal and if that happens, Boston will be looking for Verdugo & May for Mookie alone, if not Verdugo, Gonsolin & Downs.

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    • PinstripedPride

      3 years ago

      Or maybe if Boston asks for all that, LA can hold off. Then we can watch an even more disgruntled Betts leave Boston and all the Sox get is a comp pick. LOL

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    • ElysianPark

      3 years ago

      Gonsolin IS homegrown. Gray was traded for someone who was. The Dodgers don’t need to throw around prospects just because they have them.

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  70. DakotaExpert

    3 years ago

    Maybe the Twins should take Price for maybe, I don’t know, a bucket of balls?

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  71. Doofydoofer08

    3 years ago

    It’s so clear the majority of you have no clue what your talking about and just rush to blame the Sox’s. It’s pathetic

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  72. Rayland#1

    3 years ago

    Leave it to the Dodgers.

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  73. Dorothy_Mantooth

    3 years ago

    I find it telling that the Dodgers backed out of the Minn deal; they must be concerned with Graterol’s health as well. Everyone is touting him as such a stud, one would think LA would happily trade a disgruntled Maeda for such a alluring, young pitcher regardless of the Betts & Price deal.

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    • Jeff Zanghi

      3 years ago

      Yeah I agree… the fact that the Dodgers don’t want any part of Graterol should be enough to prove to people currently blaming it all on the Red Sox that the medicals are actually bad enough to warrant Bloom’s reaction and ask for more in return from MIN — I do still hope this deal gets done and SP or RP I do think Graterol has huge potential… as a Sox fan I was excited to see them acquire such a power arm. But if he’s so badly injured that he won’t ever be able to start — then yeah, they do need something in addition to him to make the trade fair.

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  74. politicsNbaseball

    3 years ago

    I’m guessing it turns into a Bos-LAD-LAA trade

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    • PinstripedPride

      3 years ago

      Getting Maeda would be a coup for Eppler, certainly. Angels rotation would be looking more acceptable

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      • politicsNbaseball

        3 years ago

        Especially if they add Maeda and Stripling

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  75. Backatit

    3 years ago

    Could see Braves taking Twins part sending Bryce Wilson or Touki Toussaint to Boston with Kenta Maeda coming to Atlanta.

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    • Moneyballer

      3 years ago

      Both those guys suck and what would Atlanta get back? Maeda? Not a good fit.

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      • ffjsisk

        3 years ago

        Maeda is a good fit in Atlanta. Folty and Newk are headcases. Bryce and Touki have similar profiles as Graterol.

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        • Moneyballer

          3 years ago

          They do not. All maeda would do is block a guy like Ian Anderson from his rightful rotation spot.

        • ffjsisk

          3 years ago

          Both 21-22 years old, hard throwing, former top 100 prospects, limited ML experience, still have rookie status, teams not sure if SP or RP…I mean, pretty similar. We lost a lot of innings with Julio and Keuchel leaving, only replaced them with an injury prone Hamels. Folty and Newk struggles at times last year, Soroka and Fried have both been injured recently…Not to mention Wright was atrocious last year in his limited mlb time. And Anderson struggled at AAA, let’s not give him a spot yet. We signed Felix Hernandez…that should tell you something. We definitely need another mid rotation arm.

        • Moneyballer

          3 years ago

          Both FAILED top prospects who couldnt hack in the major leagues. Graterol has a much more enticing profile of pure stuff than both those guys. There’s a reason you want to trade them, pretty obvious!

        • ffjsisk

          3 years ago

          Considering Bryce is 22, and was a consensus too 100 rated prospect last year, I wouldn’t call him a lost cause. He was yo yo’d between Gwinnett and Atlanta and shuffled from starting to the pen and really had no chance for success. His pure stuff is as good or better than anyone else in the system. You sound like someone who’s never seen BW pitch an inning so no sense in trying to change your mind. He certainly has boom or bust potential, just like Graterol.

  76. Moneyballer

    3 years ago

    Twins had no choice here! Absolutely ridiculous for boston to ask minnesota for more players. They were getting nothing from boston. There’s no way the Twins would burn 2 good prospects for kenta maeda. It just makes no sense!

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  77. paindonthurt

    3 years ago

    I can’t see another team absorbing Price and Betts salaries. Not gonna happen

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  78. Bennybosox

    3 years ago

    Scrap the whole thing. It was light from the beginning and the medicals and Verdugo’s character issues just made the optics that much worse. We learned 2 things these past 4 days or so…1) Mookie would stay in Boston (according to the Jim Rice Conversation minutes before the trade was announced)…2) The Sox are willing to pay down Price’s deal by 50%…so go back to the drawing board. Package JBJ and Price (eating 50%) and get a decent prospect or 2 (not a blue chip guy but a prospect with some upside) and extend Betts. The JBJ/Price trade gets em under the CBT line, and let the Betts extension start for 2021 and they’re golden

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    • Fred

      3 years ago

      Lol, no one is taking Price and Bradley

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      • Dorothy_Mantooth

        3 years ago

        I think there are a lot of teams that would take David Price @ $16M/yr. Both the Angels and Phillies come to mind right off the bat. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Price gets moved separately now and if that happens, the price for Mookie goes WAY up for the Dodgers. Dodgers would be smart to kick in Gray and call it a trade.

        While it’s a big IF…if Sale, Eovaldi & Price are healthy this year, Boston has more than enough to compete in 2020 if this deal falls apart. They can just pay the CBT this season and deal with next year.

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        • NyyfaninLAA land

          3 years ago

          If there were it would have happened already. Price is 34 YO with an injury history that makes Graterol look like Superman. Had a great “18 but bookended by 2 years where he barely went 100 IP. 3 more years of that at $16 mil per – nope.

          Dorothy you might consider a trip to Kansas

    • jonbluvin

      3 years ago

      Betts has already stated that he is going to test free agency. The only way Boston could trade Price is because Betts is included. So your answer to this is remove the only valuable part of the trade and add another player no one wants?

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      3 years ago

      Verdugo has character issues? Jeebus the things people come up with.

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      • agentx

        3 years ago

        Yeah, I think those “character issues” are from uninformed fans of other teams belly-aching about how quickly Verdugo may or may not be coming back from his latest injury.

        Everything that I’ve heard about teammate reactions to Verdugo in the clubhouse has been positive.

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      • Polar Girl

        3 years ago

        He would be regarded as an accomplice to a sexual assault under Arizona law.

        https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2020/2/6/21124292/red-sox-dodgers-alex-verdugo-the-unspoken-problem-with-the-mookie-betts-david-price-trade

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        • Rallyshirt

          3 years ago

          @Polar girl, thanks for sharing this. I can’t believe this was just swept under the rug. Makes me mad.

        • BlueSkies_LA

          3 years ago

          If you read the links you will see that MLB did in fact look into this and did not find the accusation to be credible. This in effect is what was reported near the end of SI article.

        • AtlSoxFan

          3 years ago

          Mlb also said there was zero evidence of buzzer use by astros despite one falling on the ground and being stuck to the catchers glove picking it up in the WS… or post game interviews showing what looked like one on a collarbone.

          Sometimes MLB’s ‘zero evidence’ appears to mean ‘we just don’t want to know’ kind of how steroids were handled for the decade-plus.

          I’m not saying there was something more there, read for yourself. But I don’t just take MLB’s word for anything.

        • BlueSkies_LA

          3 years ago

          What I am saying here is the allegation that MLB “swept it under the rug” is apparently not true. So many incidents of suspected domestic violence have been investigated under the joint policy, that claiming this was some sort of “cover up” is automatically suspect. It is even more suspect when the additional suggestion is made that a person committed a crime, where none was ever charged.

        • Rallyshirt

          3 years ago

          @blueskyLA, PolarGirl stated that this is a criminal offense punishable within the state of Arizona where the event occurred. An MLB investigation should not under any circumstance intercede with state law enforcement.

        • darkstar61

          3 years ago

          https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-dodgers-other-legal-matter/

          Not the Verdugo incident, merely another where Dodgers FO made a situation with a player go away.

        • BlueSkies_LA

          3 years ago

          So did MLB intercede? No. What you say might be true, if it actually happened, and that’s far from clear. From what I am seeing here the only “character issue” here is character assassination.

        • Eatdust666

          3 years ago

          MLB is softer than the NFL. That being said, if they had an official toilet paper, it would be Charmin Ultra Soft.

        • Eatdust666

          3 years ago

          This is even with the fact the NFL has been really soft at times.

    • Moneyballer

      3 years ago

      This may be the most ridiculous pie in the sky idea Ive read on here. Here are the teams lining up to trade for Jackie Bradley Jr:

      Dumb idea.

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  79. Jeff Zanghi

    3 years ago

    I really hope they come back to the table… the Sox HAVE to get this trade done. And I was actually excited about Graterol’s potential but admit if he has an injury that will prevent him from ever being a SP again… that’s obviously an issue. I know people have pointed out that people have long believed Graterol would be a RP but in all fairness he has been a VERY productive SP in the minors when healthy so I don’t really think it’s entirely fair to say “everyone should have known” — he’s been a SP his whole career… why would a team assume a 21 year old would have an injury preventing him from being one again… if he does have an arm issue that serious I don’t blame the Sox for balking at the trade that was agreed upon BUT I think at this point RP/SP as long as he’s healthy enough to play — the Sox HAVE to finalize this trade. For one Price CAN’T come back at this point and Bloom really needs to decide if making himself a pariah amongst the league’s GMs is really worth it — if he lets this fall through why would any team in the league want to deal with him in the future!? PLEASE for everyone’s sake let’s hope they can figure this thing out!!

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    • Moneyballer

      3 years ago

      Plenty of pitchers of come back from TJ to be ML starters. I wholly object to your assertion that his injury prevents him from starting.

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      • Dorothy_Mantooth

        3 years ago

        I believe the Red Sox are concerned with Graterol’s shoulder injury and not his repaired elbow. He had shoulder troubles last year and if there is labrum or rotator cuff issues, I don’t blame them for walking away.

        TJ repairs do not bother Boston. They signed Eovaldi to a 4 year deal who has had 2 TJ surgeries in his career so it has to be the shoulder that worries them.

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    • twins33

      3 years ago

      I think the fact that Graterol only has two good pitches is the sign that he can’t start. It’s been reported by prospect rankings for years that his likely outcome is a reliever. These are reports even before TJ and before last years shoulder problems. The health issue only makes that even worse.

      His ceiling is/was a top of the rotation starter. Key word ceiling (most guys don’t reach their ceiling). He’s been trying for at least two years to develop a changeup and so far it’s not working. MLB is filled with hundreds of guys who never develop that third pitch. That happens way more often than a guy being able to add one successfully. Of course you can keep trying because he’s young. A pitcher can be the healthiest guy in the world, if he only has two pitches he’ll never be a stud starter.

      This is not a post to dismiss the health issue. The health issue is a legit concern, but Graterol’s most likely outcome has always been a reliever…long before he ever got hurt. The Twins and prospect rankings were trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn’t.

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  80. bobtillman

    3 years ago

    So anyone who thinks Bloom is operating on his own is a bit silly. No doubt the decision to move Betts (with or without Price) is ownership driven.

    Where Bloom DOES fit in though is the return; John Henry wouldn’t know Brusdar Graterol from Harry Gatorade. That’s Bloom’s supposed expertise.

    But he’s pooped the bed. This unbelievable nonsense of Graterol’s variable value based on starting/relieving, and the leaking of the details, makes Bloom look like he just doesn’t belong in the big pond.

    SOME (obviously not the Globe guys) have speculated Bloom is the sacrificial lamb, from the get-go; Sox finish at .500 or below, Chaim’s back in Tampa faster than you can say Jonny Gomes.

    Might be some truth in that.

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    • seamaholic

      3 years ago

      If Bloom extracts more value because of this drama, he’s doing A+ Gm’ing. And that’s exactly what will happen. He’s got the Dodgers over the barrel.

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      • Moneyballer

        3 years ago

        No he doesn’t, he killing the best deal he’ll ever get! Keep thinking boston has leverage here, they do not!! Dodgers can easily say, screw it, we already have a great team. We can just sign Betts in next years offseason for nothing. Dodgers have the leverage and the money.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      The Boston front office is a mess right now. Keep in mind that Boston kept all 3 executives who interviewed for the job Bloom ended up getting and they still have a big say in what transactions are made. If Boston truly wanted to give Bloom full control of the team, they would have allowed him to keep one of these people and jettison the other two. I can only imagine the in-fighting that is going on between them and then add a meddling owner like Henry into the mix. Bloom clearly has his hands full and like you said, he appears to be setup to fail, which would be a shame as he is great choice for the job.

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  81. KingTiger

    3 years ago

    It would be perfect if the Dodgers told the Whiny Sox to take Verdugo (by himself) for Price and Betts, or the deal is off. The Red Sox aren’t going to get a better deal anywhere else.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      I would love it if Houston gave MLB the middle finger and traded for Betts & Price. People would be so pissed! They could trade Yordan Alvarez, Reddick and a pitching prospect to Boston. Price would give them the 3rd veteran they are looking for and Betts would make Houston the best offense in baseball. Could you imagine these comment boards if that deal went down? Instant entertainment for months!

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      • Moneyballer

        3 years ago

        That would be the worst trade ever for Houston. Yordan Alvarez!? You don’t trade a star calibur young hitter for an expensive rental. Stupid as can be if they did that.

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      • halofanatic

        3 years ago

        Yes! Please trade Alvarez!!! I’d love for the Angels not to have to face him multiple times a year. How on earth could the Astros afford Mookie Betts next off-season? Hahaha…. yes Astros…. please make that trade!

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      • thickiedon

        3 years ago

        Springer instead of Betts and give them Whitley

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    • Doofydoofer08

      3 years ago

      another dumb post. You people act like this Sox franchise is garbage. They would laugh at la and hang up and ship him to the Padres and say deal with that

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    • MarkoRock68

      3 years ago

      Actually Kingtiger that is not a bad idea if you look at it from a potential War and $$ over the term off the 3 players involved.
      War
      LA – Betts 1 yr x 7 War , Price 3 yr x 3 Yr (very generous ) – Total 16 War

      Boston – Verdugo 5 yr x 3.2 War -Total 16 War

      Salary

      La- 1x Yr Betts- $27m 3x Price -$48M -Total 75 m

      Boston- 3 yrs Price -$48M
      Verdugo- 2x Pre Arb $1.5m , Yr 1 Arb- $4.5m,
      Yr 2 Arb -8 m, Yr 3 Arb 13m -27m
      Total – 75m

      Yes Verdugo may make slightly more in arb but lets not forget the money Boston is saving in luxury tax this yr +Not Losing 10 spots in the draft + International bonus money ( think i read it would be 500,000 )

      All the way around both teams win.
      Boston gets a good young player and dumps Price.
      La gets the one yr of the player they want to try and get over the top and win the WS.

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  82. kjs321

    3 years ago

    “Mr. Bloom – San Diego is holding on line 2.”

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  83. jorge78

    3 years ago

    Why don’t the Dodgers send Maeda to the Red Sox?

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    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      Jorge, Because the Red Sox want to stay under the cap.

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      • wrongway2011

        3 years ago

        Seems like it could work if LA took on more of Price’s contract.

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  84. Goose

    3 years ago

    Gonsolin is not going to start for the Dodgers. You would think they would do Betts, Price and the Sox up the cash per year to $22 million for Maeda, Gonsolin and Verdugo. The Sox get the young starter and the veteran starter they can put in their rotation this year. The Dodgers get the disgruntled Maeda and his contract off the team while maintaining a smaller hit on the cap. The Sox would still be under the tax.

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    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      There is no way you can make a trade with the Dodgers where they both stay under the threshold. That’s why Pederson and Maeda were included in the deal to teams that could take the salary.

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      • Rking

        3 years ago

        What are the Sox doing? They should have non tendered Bradley, not signed Perez, Moreland and Peraza. That’s nearly 25 million right there. Let Dalbec and Chavis play the right side on the infield and sign Billy Hamilton to replace JBJ for nothing. Then you could flip Betts and get full value and worry about eating money and shipping Price out later. It’s a reset year anyway.

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      • Goose

        3 years ago

        The Pederson deal is separate. That is why the Sox would have to take Maeda and send more cash in the deal. If the deal went through as originally planned the Sox would be 16 million under the threshold. If they took on Maeda and gave another 6 million a year to the Dodgers it works with both.

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    • Fred

      3 years ago

      You don’t know that. Gonsolin started last year and was good and probably should’ve started over a compromised Rich Hill in the playoffs.

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      • Goose

        3 years ago

        The Dodgers have already said Gonsolin is behind May and Wood for the 5th slot this year. He is either in the bullpen or back to AAA.

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  85. Rumncoke

    3 years ago

    good move.

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  86. vincent k. mcmahon

    3 years ago

    This worse than my 2019 booking spree.

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    • vincent k. mcmahon

      3 years ago

      Definitely not as bad as my wording.

      Reply
  87. Moneyballer

    3 years ago

    Does anyone else have a problem with teams releasing details of agreed upon trades to gage the reaction of fan bases only to rescind based on a negative reaction? This is wrong and shouldn’t be allowed.

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  88. Moneyballer

    3 years ago

    Does anyone else have a problem with teams releasing details of agreed upon trades to gage the reaction of fan bases only to rescind based on a negative reaction? This is wrong and shouldn’t be allowed.

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  89. Moneyballer

    3 years ago

    Does anyone else have a problem with teams releasing details of agreed upon trades to gage the reaction of fan bases only to rescind based on a negative reaction? This is wrong and shouldn’t be allowed.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      Not as much of a problem as someone posting their comments 3 times;-) (joking of course).

      I really don’t think Boston got cold feet because of fan reactions. They had a legitimate concern over the medical information they received (I’m guessing it is the shoulder issue and not the repaired elbow), which is well within their rights to do so. Imagine if they made this deal and Graterol needs rotator cuff surgery by July or August. They’d really face fan’s fury if that were the case. The Dodgers can fix this easily by including Gray. It all depends how much they truly want Mookie. MLB hasn’t seen a player of Mookie’s talents traded in decades (and the Dodgers know this). Either pay up or shut up. Boston has plenty of money to keep the team intact as is this season and it wouldn’t surprise me if they end up doing that. If they are out of it, they can trade Mookie at the deadline for a heck of a lot more than Verdugo. Let’s see who blinks first.

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      • Moneyballer

        3 years ago

        I didnt mean to and there is no way to delete!

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    • muskie73

      3 years ago

      I suspect that whoever leaked the tentative trade to the media will face repercussions from his or her employer. The chief baseball executives know better than to leak information of this nature.

      Whoever leaked medical information about Brusdar Graterol could face outside sanctions under HIPAA.

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  90. mcmillankmm

    3 years ago

    So now what? Whole trade now falls
    Apart I imagine

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  91. ffjsisk

    3 years ago

    Braves take Maeda, send Touki to Boston.

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  92. thickiedon

    3 years ago

    Wonder what teams would give up for George Springer rather than dealing with Betts and Boston

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    • StPeteStingRays

      3 years ago

      With or without a buzzer?

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      Mookie >>> Springer

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      Mookie >>> Springer

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  93. twinky

    3 years ago

    This is a salary dump trade, not a good player for player deal.

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  94. soxfan4381

    3 years ago

    Boston should be making LA give up more. The bar should be what St Louis gave Arizona in the Goofy trade. Fact is Price is still a number 2 or 3 starter, so if the sox are eating 50% of his contract then price shouldn’t hurt getting prospects. The Sox should tell the Dodgers to screw. Betts and Price could finally push the Dodgers over the top to win it all, but the Dodgers think hoarding prospects wins titles. Dodger fans can enjoy a division title, because that’s all they will win. Even if the Sox suck this year that’s fine since they win a tile about every 4 years.

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    • JaysForDays

      3 years ago

      …. every 4 years…. every 100+ years…. semantics. Congrats on being a fan for the last 10 years, ps.

      The Jays (every 21 years) win the world series more often than the red sox (every 24 years),on average, ps. 😉

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      • soxfan4381

        3 years ago

        Why would I care what the Sox did 50 years ago or 100 years ago? I wasn’t born so that means nothing. I care about the here and now. The blue jays haven’t been relevant since the early 90s so enjoy 4th place.

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        • JaysForDays

          3 years ago

          Bad news…. 4th will be the sox, …with or without this trade happening.

    • KingTiger

      3 years ago

      The Red Sox are only any good for the first two decades of a new century. Enjoy the next 86, errrr, 85, years of futility.

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      • Doofydoofer08

        3 years ago

        Kingtiger are you really trying to rank on the Sox’s? Who won the World Series two years ago. Lmao you’re a complete clown and should just stay off this website

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        • Mo4ever

          3 years ago

          You mean the cheaters who won?

  95. Jrmomo1000

    3 years ago

    The Cards could use Pederson and have young arms

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    • seamaholic

      3 years ago

      They just got rid of a couple OF because they had too many …

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  96. dodgerfan

    3 years ago

    Why wouldn’t Boston want Maeda? Cheap, dependable, can start or come out of the pen.

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    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      Maeda is not cheap, if he starts, he’ll make over ten million dollars. It’s why the Dodgers have been screwing with him for the last few years.

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    • macstruts

      3 years ago

      Maeda is not cheap, if he starts, he’ll make over ten million dollars. It’s why the Dodgers have been messing with him for the last few years.

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    • Moneyballer

      3 years ago

      lol same reason the Dodgers don’t want him.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        3 years ago

        I know what you are trying to say, but they aren’t exactly the same reasons. Maeda doesn’t want to pitch out of the bullpen, which is how he’d get used a lot more this year than even before. Also Friedman kind of dissed him publicly, which could not have gone over well with the player.

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        • Moneyballer

          3 years ago

          Can you blame Maeda? His contract incentives REQUIRE him to be a starter! Of course he’s going to want to build up his innings as a starter. This contract, does not change if he were to change teams. Having an incentive attached to your contract to make him a cheap bullpen arm is something whoever owns him has to deal with. If boston wanted maeda this deal would have been LONG COMPLETED by now. The fact that it’s not tells you all you need to know there.

        • BlueSkies_LA

          3 years ago

          I didn’t say Boston wanted Maeda. Not sure where you got that idea. In addition to the structure of his contract that pays him more to start, Maeda views himself as a starter. When that comment become public, Friedman responded (again, publicly) that if he wants to start he needs to up his game. Kind of humiliating, don’t you think? Since then they went out and got two more starters who will compete for his slot in the rotation. If that had happened somewhere other than out here on the edge of the known world as far as the baseball establishment is concerned it would have been a pretty big story. If you heard about it anyway you’d have known Maeda was going to be traded. And sure enough.

        • Moneyballer

          3 years ago

          I was replying to dodgerfan not you – you just chimed in out of the dodger blue.

    • darkstar61

      3 years ago

      32 years old with 4 years left on contract

      13 million thru bonuses if used as fulltime starter

      4.12 ERA when used as starter last 3 seasons

      4.54 ERA overall for career when away from Dodger Stadium

      A move to the AL is quite likely to produce an aging 10+ million dollar arm with an ERA in the 5.0 range.

      If I’m honest, I’m surprised Twins even want him

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  97. Spare Tire Dixon

    3 years ago

    Someone else should snake this deal by throwing an offer down for Betts. Atlanta maybe?

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  98. Moneyballer

    3 years ago

    If Graterol becomes a monster and Betts walks with only QO draft pick compensation going to back to Boston, I don’t know how Red Sox fans could forgive their front office. They can’t, they won’t! The one that got away, boston.

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  99. GoRav114

    3 years ago

    If my Orioles would get in the deal they have perfect prospect like DL Hall (Baseball America #47, Os #3) to get Maeda, a cost controlled quality starter. I get it doesn’t make sense for Os to win a few more games now but I fear having to watch the Orioles rotation this season. While Hall has #3 potential, Maeda is already a #3 at a minimum with years of control and team friendly contract.

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    • Moneyballer

      3 years ago

      1000 times no.

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  100. dirkg

    3 years ago

    Joel Sherman and John Heyman both state that the Twins haven’t abandoned the deal, but are imposing a Saturday deadline for resolution.
    …
    George Miller, how did you come up with “Twins Pull Out of Mookie Betts Trade”?

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    • VegasSDfan

      3 years ago

      More like the Red Sox. The Twins should be happy.

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    • twins33

      3 years ago

      It was the headline from a Twin Cities newspaper, the first one to report anything.

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  101. Moneyballer

    3 years ago

    If the Red Sox have a better offer from another team, TAKE IT! As I see it, it’s very presumptuous to ask for more when there are no other suitors and your objective of shedding massive payroll while gaining upside players in the process is already met. This is the definition of overplaying their hand!

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  102. angt222

    3 years ago

    I figured this could be a possibility. Dodgers and Red Sox should look to include the Angels as the third team being that LAD and LAA are already negotiating a trade themselves.

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    • Moneyballer

      3 years ago

      Yeah right. You think Boston wants Rengifo? Nope! What are the elite pitching prospects the Angels have to use? That’s what I thought.

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      • macstruts

        3 years ago

        The Angels are not going to send an elite pitching prospect for Stripling.

        As far as elite prospect, I have no idea why people don’t consider Canning an elite prospect. Last year ranked 63 by Baseball America and MLB. 56 by Baseball prospectus and if he was still in the minor leagues he’d be ranked much higher than that.

        There is no way the Angels would trade Canning for Stripling.

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        • Moneyballer

          3 years ago

          No kidding but they are dealing with the dodgers who just wants to shed some money and open up a spot for David Price. Im saying they don’t have the prospects Boston is seeking should they be that 3rd team.

        • macstruts

          3 years ago

          The Dodgers don’t want David Price. No one does.

          If the Red Sox want more for Betts, then they have to keep Price. Five years of Verdugo and a top 100 prospect and the Dodgers taking on Price for one year of Betts is a pretty good deal for the Red Sox.

        • Moneyballer

          3 years ago

          It WAS a pretty good deal. Looks to be long gone.

  103. VegasSDfan

    3 years ago

    Boston now thinks the package from the Padres is a better deal…
    Betts to the Padres

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    • Moneyballer

      3 years ago

      That would be the biggest slap in the face to Dodger fans!

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  104. Judge_Smails45

    3 years ago

    Now the Reds will jump in.

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    • mparkinson2

      3 years ago

      Why,
      They have 5 good starting pitchers.
      They do not want to give up the price for Betts only.

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  105. alphabravo619

    3 years ago

    Time for Padres to swoop back in complete a deal for Betts.

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  106. triber4life

    3 years ago

    Boston is such trash. I can wait til they get fined next week over the cheating scandal. Haha. Front office tools running that scam of a team. Houston and the Sox are such crap and nothing they can do now or 20 years from now will ever change that. I think all of us should post about it once a day so no one forgets.

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