1:40PM: Momentum towards a deal is building and there’s increased optimism that a trade—or trades—will take place, and there’s a chance that an announcement could come as early as today, according to Neal. The Twins and Dodgers are in direct discussions and Heyman reports that their part of the deal is “pretty set,” with Maeda heading to the Twins and Graterol going the other way. For what it’s worth, Neal adds that the Twins are now “expected to get a little more” than Maeda. If Heyman is correct, then the last remaining hurdle will be for the Dodgers to refine their package for Betts. Speculatively, that could involve Graterol being flipped to Boston, but the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier tweeted earlier that Graterol isn’t expected to be dealt to the Red Sox as part of any trade.
10:11AM: The Twins are indeed still involved in talks, though that doesn’t necessarily mean a three-team trade is happening, as Jon Heyman and The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal explain (both links to Twitter). The Twins “are working hard to satisfy [the] Dodgers and the Dodgers are working hard to satisfy [the] Red Sox, ” Rosenthal writes, but negotiations could result in two separate trades. One deal between the Dodgers and Red Sox would send Verdugo and prospects to Boston and Betts and Price to L.A., and another swap between the Dodgers and Twins would see Maeda go to Minnesota and Graterol possibly be part of a trade package going to Los Angeles. As Heyman notes, “non-Boston docs seem to have no big issue with Graterol [medicals],” so the Dodgers might be satisfied in accepting the young righty in exchange for Maeda.
TODAY, 8:51AM: The involved parties are “hopeful” that a Betts trade can be worked out, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets, as there has been “progress” in talks. Notably, Heyman tagged the Dodgers, Red Sox, and Twins in his tweet, which could hint that a three-team arrangement is still possible.
FEBRUARY 8: The Twins’ portion of the proposed three-team trade that would send Mookie Betts to the Dodgers is in jeopardy, according to La Velle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune. Talks between the Twins, Dodgers, and Red Sox are ongoing and the current iteration of the trade is not entirely dead, according to reports from Joel Sherman of the New York Post and others, but the Twins have requested a prompt resolution one way or another. It seems there’s growing pessimism about the Twins’ involvement in the trade, so the Dodgers and Red Sox may have to explore alternative pathways towards its completion.
As part of the trade, the Twins were expected to send right-hander Brusdar Graterol to the Red Sox, receiving Kenta Maeda in return and allowing the Dodgers to acquire Betts and David Price. However, after the Red Sox balked at Graterol’s medical history with questions about his long-term role, they requested another prospect from the Twins and talks have stalled. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman suggests that the Twins have expressed a willingness to include one of their top-20 prospects to push the deal across the goal line, but even that hasn’t met the Red Sox’ heightened asking price.
If the Twins do indeed back out of the deal, the Dodgers and Red Sox could still try to complete the trade themselves or rope in a new third team to facilitate the mega-deal. For the time being, though, the prospect of a Betts trade appears to have hit a considerable setback. With the Red Sox’ insistence on acquiring another of the Twins’ top prospects and Minnesota’s reluctance to concede, little progress has been made since the deal was first reported on Tuesday and something will have to give if the trade is to be completed.
In its entirety, the trade would have sent Betts and David Price to the Dodgers, while Alex Verdugo and Graterol would wind up in Boston with Maeda joining the Twins. In addition, the Dodgers and Angels had agreed in principle to a separate trade that would send Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling to the crosstown Angels in exchange for Luis Rengifo and unidentified prospects. That deal, though, was contingent on the completion of the Dodgers/Red Sox/Twins swap and now itself appears in limbo.
Many around the game have voiced their frustration with the drama that has resulted from the Red Sox’ hesitation. MLBPA head Tony Clark, agent Scott Boras, and Angels owner Arte Moreno have all commented on the wide-ranging consequences of the delay. And with pitchers and catchers reporting to camp in the coming days, some of the players involved could be placed in awkward situation in which they would return to a team that has essential already agreed to trade them.
So while the Boston faithful may rejoice that their star outfielder remains with the team for the time being, it’s hard to envision a scenario in which Betts, or any of the players involved, reports to Spring Training with their original teams. That alone should provide ample impetus to finalize the trade in short order. Whether that means the Red Sox following through with the trade as originally agreed to, or the inclusion of another piece to appease Boston, we’ll have to wait and find out.
Wtf! Ouch
I did not like that trade at all. The Red Sox needed to acquire more for Mookie Betts.
BOS should have asked for a manager.
I can only imagine there’s still a trade getting done
Rocco Baldelli would go to Bos in a heartbeat
Why? He did great where he’s at…..and Boston is home to more cheaters.
If Dave Roberts was mine to give , you could have him.
Hey, Roberts is a good possibility. Dodgers could have Babe Ruth and Roberts would figure out a way to screw it up.
Bwahaha!
Send them Roberts for Mookie!
Boston is home for cheaters ? I guess Cleveland is home to wife beaters and domestic abusers!
I also forgot that Lebrun James left Cleveland twice for a reason !
Who is Lebrun James? Maybe edit before you decided to provide nothing but negative thoughts to a conversation.
So you really don’t know who he’s referring to? Or just want to add to the negativity as well?
Red Sox general manager should be fired
That is so funny because its so obvious…and no one thought if it…
Well Done!!!
Fire the GM?..How’s that?…each team doesn’t get the players medical information until they have agreed to a deal in principle..and submitted it to the commissioners office.
That’s like you being fired because you didn’t do what your boss wanted…before he even told you.
Fire the GM?..How’s that?…each team doesn’t get the players medical information until they have agreed to a deal in principle..and submitted it to the commissioners office.
That’s like you being fired because you didn’t do what your boss wanted…before he even told you.
Ruth doesn’t hit like he used to
Agreed. Chaim Bloom has done a poor job. Passed up on Holt and Shaw and said Shaw was too much money yet signs Peraza (who isn’t as good) and pays Mookie and Benintendi. Now he can’t get the Betts trade done. I knew we couldn’t accept the trade until it was absolutely certain.
Dave Roberts and Joe Kelly to Boston.
All these comments including many of my own. My personal assessment has changed to something so simple that others have inferred but not said this way: despite last years injuries, the team thought he could be a starter. That changed after seeing his medicals and they then must have thought “been there, done that” already. From envisioning another Nolan Ryan or pre-PED Roger Clemons, their assessment became another Joe Kelly or Matt Barnes.
@stepup
Maybe shut up before you provide nothing but negative thoughts to a conversation as well
Exactly…louie, they don’t get the medicals until the deal is agreed to in principle and submitted to the commissioners office…
Your trading for a starter…who was used as a reliever but the medicals indicate he was being used that way not because he was a young pitcher getting his feet wet in the bigs…but because of medical reasons.
Ha perhaps, but that should be coming from the Dodgers not the Twins.
Now Boston is back in Luxury tax problems without the bailout by the Dodgers and stuck with unhappy Price with that massive contract which means that they will be out of the Mookie sweepstakes next year with less money to spend on him when Mookie tests free agency.
Frank… you are exactly right.
Great well they go for a title this year with basically their title squad in place. And they don’t get stuck paying a 5’8” speedy outfielder $38m when he’s 38 years ten years into the future what a tragedy.
Bailout by the Dodgers?????????
Price was already unhappy. He liked his big fat contract but never liked Boston.
Dodgers send Dustin May and the Red Sox agree to accept less of a bailout the next time – the third time – The Dodgers and Mark Walter bail out the Red Sox and John Henry.
When is someone going to demand an answer from Mark Walter and John Henry as to how much Mark Walter owed John Henry and what is the nature of this sum owed from?
Lol cause speed is all Mookie brings to the game
That’s been the word on the street, yeah.
Lol…..Dustin May is not going anywhere for anyone.
Not May, but I think the Dodgers should go ahead and include Gonsolin IF they can keep the Twins in at and acquire Gaterol themselves for the bullpen.
About the dodgers give us pederson and a top prospect
I agree. Maybe Santana and Busch. Not as though la couldn’t use him in the bullpen.
That’s…..right! Lord help the big priced pitcher in Boston, who never earns his pay. I’ll give you 2018 Price pitched them to a WS win, n the fans loved him for that.
Love getting a bailout from a team owner who hasn’t won since purchasing the club. I hate arrogance from fans who are simply jealous. Imagine that other teams fans are jealous of Red Sox fans. Times have changed since I grew up with those 1918 chants at Yankee Stadium in the late 70s.
Cause the RedSox need 4 LH OF?
Not true. They could keep Mookie and trade Price and JBJ and still be under the $208M and avoid the CBT penalties. That includes paying 50% of Price’s contract. Then they continue to negotiate with Mookie. They can pay them what he wants if they so choose. That’s up to ownership. He’s under contract for this year at $27M. I believe the Dodgers trade still happens in one form or another. We shall see.
Mookie & Boston are done. This year, next year, doesnt matter. The trade is still gonna happen with or without minnesota.
The feeling was mutual.
We were out of the Mookie sweepstakes regardless. We aren’t outbidding the Yankees or the Dodgers.
Then no deal
Love your username, McBride. You should upload a picture of Bake and his afro.
Oh so Price was happy but now is not? Oh that is a surprise
Frank…the part of the deal with the RS and Dodgers is fine…Betts, Price and Verdugo will go…but now the Red sox will receive 2 prospects from LA… not the Twins
They needed a new set of trash cans.
Wrong team ace.
Two top 100 prospect and 45 million toward proce is a great deal.
No it’s not. There’s a reason no other club has met the price Einstein
RS are not eating $45M of Price contract.. they are not doing that.. Price and Betts were due $49 this year..Sox Sending $9M back to LA this year..2 remaining years of Price after that to be determined based on availability.
If you think the Dodgers are going to go over the threshold for Price, you are crazy.
No one wants Price.
Dont force the team getting him to absorb Price and you will get a better number for Betts!
It would’ve been nice to have Betts I don’t know if the Dodgers really need them but it would’ve been nice In the dodger line up
The Red Sox are not just trading Betts, they forcing a team to take on Price. No one want’s Price. Betts for five years of Verdugo and a top 100 prospect isn’t a bad deal, may be light, but once they include Price, they were lucky to get that.
Not when they are paying half of prices contract it isn’t
Not when they are paying half of prices contract it isn’t
No wants Price at half his price.
Price us a valuable pitcher, everyone forgets that. The Dodgers are a helleva team with Orice n then Mookie too. They need to get it done. The Twins just wanted to not give quality for quality. Trades supposed to help BOTH teams not just one or another. Will some of the teams please think about the fans for once n not one up man ship.
The Red Sox have been trying to dump Price for four months. They have been willing to eat a great deal of his salary. No one wants him.
You know the word “and” exists, right?
Excellent Point! The Dodgers certainly do not want Price and the cost on Betts for the Dodgers would have been much higher if Price were not attached.
Clearly, if Price at half his Price were available all off season for a marginal prospect, no other team was interested in taking Price off the Red Sox hands.
Seems like they could find several teams that would want Maeda besides the Twins.
Exactly that’s why there’s not a lot of prospects involved in the Betts trade If the Red Sox weren’t tagging Price with Betts you would get more prospects And the Red Sox desperately need to cut payroll right now there handcuffed
I think the Dodgers are better off just hanging on to their great starter depth by keeping Maeda and Stripling. That’s better than taking a chance on Price for $16 million a year or whatever they end up paying him.
They were getting fair value for a rental
Sure. Wait another year and get nothing and still have an overpaid pitcher.
And yet now they are probably going to get much much less.
They won’t and you should look up the definition of the word need. He’s not worth more than that and that’s not an opinion.
Except now they’ll get pennies on the dollar at the deadline, …or nothing if they play him out; and are stuck with Price’s 90m… if there was a better offer on the table, …it would’ve been done. Theyre not going to improve on it and they’ve burnt the bridge to resign betts in the offseason. Brutal.
Nope, only in your dreams.
Once the Sox became hesitant about Graterol, I wished the trade was just adjusted with how much of Price’s contract was covered in order to balance it out.
However they adjust it, it’s not going to work unless the Angels, Dodgers and Red Sox can all stay under the cap. I don’t think you can adjust the salaries enough to make that happen.
I wasn’t talking about anything drastic. Something more like the Twins kicking back 5 mil/yr to Boston or 2.5 mil/yr from both the Twins and LA for the last 3 years of Price’s contract.
I think the only team that can kick money back in the deal are the Twins. The Angels maybe a little, the Dodgers and Red Sox are so close to the threshold I don’t think they can kick back anything.
But I’m all for the Angels and Twins ponying up a little money. But are they? Is that all the Red Sox want?
4life- I don’t think the Sox care about the money once below the threshold. Boston was hoping they were getting a prospect from Minnesota who had potential to be an ace… or at least a quality piece in the starting rotation. Instead best case his potential seems to be a closer… or at least a middle reliever. Getting 5M extra doesn’t make that ok… they aren’t getting that starter with that money.
They would care if they were in the playoff hunt this year and looking to add at the trade deadline. That 5 mil could make a big difference on what kind of player/players they could add to the roster.
Twins are under no obligation to help bail Boston out of their financial crisis. From their perspective, they were dealing away Graterol for Maeda. That was the value assigned and agreed to. They owe Boston nothing. But there is nothing to prohibit Twins from making a separate deal straight up with Dodgers while Boston can pay some big taxes and watch Price and Eck land on the Jerry Springer Show..
They’re getting salary relief.
No doubt! how is it that the Dodgers having great prospects and the Red Sox are not demanding not one and to boot the fools are handing down 50 mil to the Dodgers. The Sox are asking just lost
What more can They ask for? They’re already getting a huge amount of salary relief plus a top proven Prospect in Verdugo. It’s basically a salary dump and a one-year rental for a five year player and the opportunity to spend hell of money later
They did, they got rid of Price.
I agree, The Twins are trying to get a #3 starter for a pitching prospect who may be damaged goods. They should add P Jordan Balazovic to their part of the swap.
And what else should the Twins get in return then in addition to Maeda? Graterol and Balazovic for Maeda is a massive overpay.
I’m biased about Balazovic, but also correct.
HaHa, anything else you want?
Just add to cart.lol.
Hilarious. Why should Boston be concerned about what MN pays for someone like Maeda. Twins have no skin in the financial bail out game. They have no responsibility for the BSox financial mess and poor farm. Graterol looked good against the Yanks last fall. Minnie will be happy to keep him.
Only a Red Sox homer would have that take. Absurd
1 year of Betts, Sox are screwing the pooch in the end.
Yeah if he had more then one year! 1/2 of Price contract & $27 million-you ain’t getting much more! + Verdugo is a great fun young talent!
Why? He’s a one year rental. Boston is smart for doing this.
Understandable that you may not liked the trade, but for the Red Sox to agree then turn around and ask for additional compensation and saying it’s Graterol’s medical status when it may be Boston fan reaction, doesn’t drip with character.
Well the adding of Price and his 36 million is what stops more.
francys08, I keep hearing the argument “the Red Sox should’ve got more” from all the sports pundits.
Dammit people! If you only have 1 team ( ok, 2 if you really count the Padres, but c’mon…grow up!) that’s is willing take on the salary, and only 1 year control of Mookie Betts, what did you really think was going to happen here?
And please remember, the Dodgers were one of the teams “affected” by the Red Sox sign stealing scandal. We’re the Dodgers attitude towards the Red Sox going to be: “oh don’t you worry about that silly little sign stealing thing. Here’s our minors, just take what you think is fair.”
Grow up pundits and fans. That fact that Bloom was able to get what he got is to be commended, not condemned.
Think about it.
Grew up and thought about it Pucker. But maybe you should too if you think Dodgers make a trade offer based on anything other than how they feel about that individual deal.
As for what we feel about these players worth, it’s our own opinion. If Sox offered all teams Price alone at 3/$48M and a low level prospect… would any other team be interested besides LA? Or would teams expect the Sox to pay more $$?
Don’t include D. Price & they easily can
The Sox got salary relief as part of the trade. That’s an asset, too. So, they were getting 2 high-end prospects & salary relief for Betts. That’s plenty.
You would get more if David Price $96 million wasn’t attached to Mookie Betts
Hahahaha Boston sucks the big fat one on this debacle. Next time don’t handle your biz based off public perception
Yes. Watching this forest fire of a team is great. Burn Boston burn.
I would think if this deal somehow doesn’t get done – Boston isn’t the biggest loser here.
Really – what is the issue with how events occurred? Teams agreed to trade, Medicals of Graterol weren’t good… showing his odds of ever becoming the player Boston was hoping for was greatly reduced. Wouldn’t anyone here playing GM change their opinion of Graterol and either want someone else or something more as Bloom has?
If not – why?
I don’t think it’s crazy to ask for more. The crazy part is to ask the Twins for two top 10 prospects and the Twins only receive Maeda in return. If the Twins have to kick in more specifically THAT much more, then they should be getting more back in a trade as well. Either more from the Dodgers or more from the Sox.
If there’s a real injury worry, how is he still a top 10 team prospect?
No matter what happens with this deal, Boston RedSox are losers and cheaters (In life and in baseball) and nothing will ever change that.
Because he’s always been an injury worry and was still a top 10 team prospect?
Yea but guys rankings those prospects don’t see the medicals. The entire point of this medical hold up is that the medical risk appears much greater than the public perception of it.
The crazy part is Boston still wants Graterol. If he is “damaged”, why insist on keeping him included in the deal?
True, the rankers don’t see the medicals but they will never see the medicals so it doesn’t change much on their end. They were already knocking him down for being a reliever only and likely knocking him for the TJ and then shoulder issue last year.
They can only judge by what they do know. Hypothetically, If Graterol does well this season and is still eligible to be ranked (he probably wouldn’t be eligible due to innings, but just go with my point) would he be knocked down to a lower ranking? No, and the medical issue would still be there. So nothing changes. If he gets hurt again or is bad, he’d rank lower, but that’s the case anyway regardless of what this issue is.
At least they have a forest to burn. Unlike the land of cleves.
Red Sox Losers Triber? I guess I can take your word for it -4 championships in 15 seasons doesn’t sound like a loser baseball team to me.
Small market revenge! I love it!
They probably have traders remorse before the trigger got pulled and someone leaked the trade. It seems rather light for a year of one of the best players in baseball and control of David Price for 3 years (who is still a serviceable starter).
This wouldn’t be a story if “sports reporters” weren’t in such a rush to get stories out there. Report what happens, don’t report what might happen.
Wow now what
Anything is on the table now.
Would love to see another team step in for Betts, but will likely be another team steps in for Maeda
Yanks get Maeda. No doubt.
For who though? Red Sox want a young topline SP in return.
That the yanks don’t have.
And even if they did, there’s no way the Yankees would trade a top prospect – at any position, much less SP – to their biggest rival.
I could see a scenario where the Dodgers pivot over to the Reds and get them involved. Possibly a deal of Kenta Maeda to Cincinnati for Nick Senzel, the Dodgers send Senzel to Boston with Verdugo. Thoughts?
Love it! So impressed with the twins front office right now. Boston should feel embarrassed
The twins front office is getting dragged through the mud because they concealed medical records of the prospect.
They didn’t conceal medical records. They shared them and the Sox balked at it. Twins are annoyed that the Sox likely leaked the info to gain leverage.
And to be clear, Sox may have had a good reason to not like the medicals. Twins just didn’t like that it went public
Exactly, you agreed to a trade, do your homework on a prospect you are receiving. I liked getting maeda but I’m glad the twins didn’t fold over to Boston’s BS demands
sometimes the best way to answer a question on the test is by looking at your answers to the rest of the questions.
You do realize that medical records can’t legally be shared until the trade is agreed to in principle, right? After the trade was agreed to, the Red So saw the medical records and were scared off. Blaming any of the teams involved for wrongdoing is absurd and trollish.
Teams should no longer get any medical info without consent, and consent can’t be coerced for a contract. either that or start paying income taxes and property taxes like the rest of us.
Exactly. Medical files don’t get sent over until the trade is complete. The problem with all of this nonsense was that it involved so many different teams. Trades getting nixed for medicals is not uncommon.
Ignorance is enormous with this one.
Huh?
Stfu
They leaked that there’s a problem with Medicals. It’s 100% BOSTONS FAULT
Somewhere, graterol’s medical was printed long before this occurred.
Only going by what has been suggested. That his TJs was publicly announced years ago.
Just sayin’
The TJ surgery and every injury that puts him on the IL is public knowledge. The Red Sox and every other team know about it. That isn’t the issue.
Graterol’s MRIs and all other scans are NOT public knowledge. That can only be shared to the public by Graterol himself. When a player is traded, it’s contingent on medical review. That includes these medical scans and any other time Graterol has seen a doctor. Those aren’t publicly available. Those documents go to the team acquiring him and they have their medical people determine if it’s okay or not.
The Sox weren’t objecting to his TJ surgery or his shoulder injury last year. They were objecting to something in the medicals that we have zero knowledge of and will likely always have zero knowledge of until he gets another bad injury or Graterol tells us himself.
twins33 – that’s the only thing that makes sense. Anything else is speculation. Every trade that is reported is always contingent on review of medical reports from a new physical exam. No one is doing anything wrong. Boston didn’t like the report from Graterol’s exam so they are rethinking the trade. When I buy a used car, I test drive it and take it to my mechanic for a once over. If the mechanic finds problems, I either negotiate a lower price or look for a different car.
Didn’t the Red Sox use them tactic on JC Ramirez and Mike Napoli they agreed on there contracts cut money from their contracts that they agreed upon
Bro you stfu you got no clue what your talking about moron
What difference would it have made? Sox have to announce why they no longer are making the deal. Could have been the same issue if the Dodgers looked at Price’s recent medicals or compared his last two MRI films and found something that was worse than they expected.
We’re you on the phone Christian? How do you know what was said? Sox got burned with the trades with Seattle and Milwaukee regarding the health of pitchers they received. Nothing alarming was found then but it likely caused them to look mor3 closely this time given how last season ended for him.
Doofy – who is your anger aimed at? You didn’t specify which moron.
If that’s the case then why did Boston still want Graterol in the deal?
Boston’s GM should get the Fired ….Betts Doesn’t want to play for the Red Sox anyways Bean Town cheaters
Since when is reviewing medicals a tactic Geno? All agreed upon contracts are contingent upon a medical exam which includes a review of records. If it were indeed a tactic, the MLBPA would have grieved then and now.
Then why does Boston still want him?
Geno – Why should he get fired? He is following the advice of his medical team who are telling him there are potential issues with Graterol. There’s no evidence of anything else going on to delay the deals. He’s doing his job.
He agreed on Graterol Why not ask for different prospect why keep Graterol and ask the twins additional prospect if the guy has a bum arm Graterol
because he while he may be damaged it is most likely they are willing to chance him making a full recovery but they cant make him the main piece in the deal from min. it would have to be another top prospect and him as with whatever medical problem they found they view him as a lottery ticket that may spend more time on the DL and never be more then a middle reliever
Of which Betts was one.
That’s not remotely what happened. The Red Sox are taking the heat
Funny thing is, most red sox fans feel the same way, proud of Bloom for not blinking.
Sincerely, good luck with graterol. I’d like to see what he can do as a closer in mlb.
For whatever reason he wasn’t right for the sox in what they needed in this trade and thought based upon past years -apparently like boras – that he could be (a 2020 starter.)
@jwardrip – nothing anywhere, NOTHING, says the twins concealed or lied about anything. We don’t know what the records said, different doctors give different prognosis every day looking at the same case.
Problem now is the Red Sox essentially told Betts they don’t want him and now have to deal with a disgruntled player who will soon be a free agent. The longer they wait the price will drop in terms of prospects and his price goes up on any chance of his resigning there.
They never said they didn’t want him. They are adults – except Price. He wants to test FA. They can just as well try again then if they want to do so. Keep spinning. There is no rush to get this done. They have a week to figure it out. Different players will be dealt. The pressure is on LA IMO. Mookie was proclaimed a Dodger.
he told the world he is looking forward to free agency and turned down 10yrs 300mill extension offer and asked for 12yrs 420mill so its no surprise that they are trading him because they are smart enough not to offer him more than 30mill a yr
I see no pressure on LA at all
LA will be fine. Better with Betts but fine either way.
Still you are right I am proud Bloom is standing up n not caving in like DD did when the Padres LIED to DD about PomPom being hurt. I think the trade will get done. Lord help the team when Price arrives in camp.
How many starts did Pomeranz miss? None you say? What was his ERA the first 2 years? 3.94? Wow. He must have been hurt badly. He never missed a start and the only Red Sox pitcher that was better was Sale.
How many games has the guy they sent to the Padres made? None you say?
Pull your head out @pasha.
I love how you’re cheering your stats here. He was garbage in his first half season after the trade, had a mediocre Dice-K esque second season where averaged 5 1/3 innings an outing, then proceeded to go back to being an utter disaster in his third.
“Pull your head out!”
“Pinche Verde is the worst manager ever!”
“Chase Headley is my hero!”
“Giancarlo Stanton’s opt-out clause benefits the Yankees!”
“Padres should extend Carter Capps!”
“Padres should QO Tyson Ross!”
“I sat next to Dan Lozano on a plane and he told me Manny Machado was signing with the Padres!”
“I’m not Koamalu!”
“Everyone who disagrees is wcr!”
All this spin is making me dizzy.
Bloom would look pretty foolish later if we learned about these medicals after another big Graterol injury
He’d look just as foolish IF Graterol turns into a solid starter for a few years. Then Graterol gets injured and becomes a lock down closer. Remember the only player to be 100% voted into the HOF was a FAILURE as a starting pitcher.
Mariano was not a failed starter. he made a total of 10 starts in his rookie year and was a good starter in the minors the reason he ended in the bullpen in his 2nd year was the rotation was full. The Yankees saw him turn into a SOLID setup man to wetteland and when wetteland left they decided to let Mariano close as he was a solid setup man and they knew from that he had the makeup to close. had there been an opening in the rotation at the start of his 2nd year he most likely would have been starting.
He had an ERA over 5.00 as a starter, so I would say he was a failed starter.
Impressed with The Twins because they tried to off load with a ssd’s suspect arm?
Hahahahahahaha
No issues since we don’t know what was provided beforehand or what’s I. The medicals. Trades are never a guarantee but Boston has to be nervous after all of the trades DD made for pitching.
I know that the Red Sox are citing health as the concern here, but part of me wonders if they realized last minute that they may have been getting fleeced on the deal and wanted to ask for more.
So many are saying the Sox got fleeced but so many others disagree. Funny that many saying now the return was crap were the same who said beforehand that the return for a rental and an over the hill starter was going to be minimal.
Plus they are getting the benefit of offloading salary.
Whoops!
ANDDDDDDDD this trade is dead in the water
not yet dead. im sure it’ll work out. deal isnt dead.
Not really. Could find another 3rd team or Dodgers sweeten the deal with a player or take on a few more $$ of the Price contract or both.
I don’t believe they were able to get a deal done and that is why they added the Twins…it will either be find another 3rd team…Twins add a player or deal is done…Dodgers won’t add players or eat more contract then already agreed…
All the Dodgers have to do is give Boston Josiah Gray and its fine.
Hahahahaha
Lol……dream on.
Lol……dream on.
Only the Reds are that dumb, fleeced us!
Agreed. Perfect solution. Dodgers can separately trade Maeda to Twins for Graterol if they choose.
Josiah Gray for 1 year of Betts isnt happening. Price even at half the price of $16M/year is negative value.
Why not Bellinger, moron?
It’s unfortunate that Boston sought to change the deal. Kudos to Twins FO for standing firm.
Agree
If the Red Sox did a physical on Graterol and found something that was not included in his medical records – they have every right to decline the deal or try to restructure it.
That’s not to say the Twins were intentionally concealing or overlooking medical issues.. there could just be a difference in opinion between the two medical staffs or an additional concern has surfaced since Graterol’s last physical.
So it’s OK to trade injured players? Twins tried to cheat and got caught.
He’s not hurt you Buffon
He’s healthy. Boston knew of his injury history. They balked when the media got word of the deal and started to criticize
Stop making crap up my god
He’s not injured. He hit 100 mph+ in every outing, including the last one. No ones trying to cheat anyone. Just a difference of opinion on the medicals.
This is Acirema, there is no truth.
The Twins haven’t stood firm. They offered another top 20 prospect to get the trade done. The Red Sox have poo-poo’d that too. I think Boston is looking like a bunch of manipulative, disorganized hacks at this point.
if the medical records show a problem then just a top 20 player isnt enough it should be someone comparable to him a top 5 prospect as with an injury he is just a lottery ticket.
This is starting to look like baseball’s version of the Iowa Democratic caucus. I wonder if any of these deals will get done.
Touché
Too much risk for Boston not to trade both players. If either get hurt, the a Sox remain above the tax. Now that it’s come out that the Red Sox will pay 50% of Price’s contract (assuming the prior report was accurate), perhaps St. Louis or Atlanta get involved and the players are traded separately.
political turd in the pool
Padres should jump in
Padres get Maeda Price
Red Sox take Myers Verdugo Naylor Quantril and Miller
Dodgers get Betts
lmao stop putting Myers in every deal NO ONE wants him!!!
Your trade actually works if you remove Myers.
It’s Padre fan delusion they keep thinking Myers has value but he just ruins deal
Meyers could have worked before Moreland was signed, No more.
Padres taking all of prices contract can’t happen unless red Sox take Myers which saves the red sox money and fills a need at 1st.
Do they think he has value or do they just want him gone?
^and Price/Maeda also doesn’t make any sense for the Padres. They’re trying to decrease bad contracts not take on more.
Getting rid of Wil Myers is getting rid of a bad contract. Wil myers has no value.
If the Sox are still willing to pay down Price’s deal to $16M per year and Maeda’s contract is actually one of the more team friendly deals in MLB, than this actually isn’t a bad deal for a team looking to add 2 quality veteran starters
Maeda isn’t a bad contract….\
The Dodgers are taking Price… they obviously wouldn’t be dealing Maeda if they weren’t getting Price… what’s with the people saying a team should step in and grab Maeda and Price… like that makes 0 sense
Myers has no value. However, the Red Sox have shown a willingness to pay $48MM over the next three years to offset Price’s deal.
The Padres including Myers plus $4MM each of the next three years and another $1MM for his 2023 club buyout would have the same net effect as the Red Sox sending $48MM over three years as proposed in the LA/MIN/BOS deal.
So a deal including talent that BOS considers equal to Verdugo and what they initially thought Graterol was worth plus the “Myers and cash” described above with no BOS money going in San Diego’s direction would deliver the same overall value at
no additional cost to the Red Sox.
Problem is Dodgers need a starter so they need one of price or Maeda.
Dodgers do not need starters…..
Buehler
Kershaw
May
Gonsolin
Wood
Nelson
Are all starting pitchers and they still have Gray coming up in the minors, they also can use Urias as a starter. This is why they could afford to trade Stripling and Maeda.
This is why before all of this happened the Dodgers should have thrown more money at Maeda and make him a full time reliever. He’d be one of the best.
The Dodgers don’t seem to be a team that “throws more money” at anyone. The current FO makes calculated financial moves.
Plus he’s already under contract, if he’s the odd man out of the rotation he’s a full time reliever.
Last year, you’d have listed Rich Hill there
He threw 40 innings for the dodgers in 2019
They love depth. They aren’t dealing Maeda and Stripling without getting a pitcher back
Urias is a starter this year, according to the Dodgers. Right now it’s:
Buehler
Kershaw
Urias
Maeda
May
Stripling
Gonsolin
Wood
Nelson
If this deal had gone through:
Buehler
Kershaw
Urias
Price
May
Gonsolin
Wood
Nelson
This isn’t mentioning any other AAA guys they could throw out there.
Why would the Padres get involved in helping to make a divisional rival better? They’re trying to get closer to LA, not increase the gap.
The Padres never had a shot at the division either way. If you’re San Diego, you’re looking at improving your wild card chances
The Padres play the Dodgers 19 times., that hurts their WC prospects.
This
If the Dodgers just made a tentative deal to get Betts & Price for Verdugo & Maeda, why would they trade those same two guys for just Betts?
Maeda’s contract I belief is team friendly and benefits Maeda on his performance year long.
Moving Maeda would be to fit Price in as Kenta has asked to be a starter
They’ll still be able to flip Maeda for a nice prospect and figure this all out I hope
GOOD JOB TWINS FO!!!!
I would be pretty upset if I were the Dodgers, Twins, and Angels.
So, everybody
Why blame Boston when no one knows what they were told or what’s in the records? Too much guessing to place blame.
You blame Boston because most avid baseball fans knew Graterol profiled as a reliever WITHOUT seeing his medical records. So Boston’s reasoning is complete BS and the real reason was buyer’s remorse on the part of Boston, after they received all the backlash for not getting enough in return.
Except that it’s entirely plausible that Boston’s team physician saw something in Graterol’s medicals that makes him a one-inning guy, or a more significant injury than what was diagnosed by Minnesota’s team physician, or that his MRI revealed structural damage that requires surgery and will prevent him from performing.
You’re blaming Boston for balking at the medical records of a prospect with a pretty serious injury history. You must be a Twins fan because they’re the only people I’ve seen making these asinine comments.
Complete BS? Really? They had a agreement in place contingent on the medical examination and records! Not on what they could assume or may know…
When those examinations and records are reviewed then the trade is announced.
I am completely amazed at the complete lack of comprehension of so many within this forum that so willingly express their ignorance on the process that’s been there for years..
Union and Boras don’t like it because it took place so close to spring training.
Get a freakin clue people before you rant!
Sorry GFY. Other than Twins fans, most other avid baseball fans haven’t seen enough of him to develop that profile. Regardless, teams have different visions and Boston has been burned too many times recently when trading for relievers. Without seeing the records or knowing what was disclosed beforehand not one fan is in position to blame any team. Too bad it got released before the trade was finalized.
@AllRiseForTheJudge
Well, clearly you have a short memory. The original reason Boston gave for wanting more was that they thought Graterol profiles as a STARTER. Then they saw his medicals and say they NOW view him as a reliever. I was just pointing out that any avid baseball fan knew Graterol was a reliever before any light of this trade came about, WITHOUT seeing his medicals. Anyone that didn’t know that, is not an avid baseball fan, rather they are just an avid fan of the baseball team they root for. If it comes out that there is concern Graterol may have a long-term injury, which could possibly prevent him from having ANY kind of career – only then would Boston’s actions be justified. Otherwise, my original post is spot on.
For the record, I’m a Dodgers fan and I don’t care that the Twins pulled out, because Friedman will get this done regardless, IF it makes sense for the Dodgers still. Additionally, whether Mookie Betts plays for the Dodgers or not this year, I’ll enjoy watching our teams play each other in the 2020 World Series, since I was born in 1984 and have never had the pleasure of watching a Dodgers-Yankees WS in real-time.
GFY — This is from over a year ago on Prospect361. Other prospect analysis sites have made similar comments. THUS, you are INCORRECT when you state that only Twins fans were privy to some secret Graterol profile.
“After seeing him pitch at the highest level, with his size and max effort, Graterol might work better out of the bullpen. If he does, it could be special. As a starter, I think the ceiling is more of a number three starter. Maybe a little more if he improves his control. Regardless, he should see considerable time in Minnesota in 2020.”
@Berger
See the first portion of my response to AllRise, then see my username, which is an acronym for what you can go do thereafter.
@ Tipsy McStagger
Thanks for pointing out the lack of your post’s viability with your first sentence. That was over a year ago. After he already had TJ surgery, but before he then had shoulder issues this past season. The combination of those 2 is why anyone that knows about baseball and pitching, already knew he was destined for relief work.
It was a good try though.
Sorry, a previous response that I posted for GFY was meant for looiebelongsinthehall — Here is a post from SBNation from January of 2018:
It’s a bit of an odd delivery. He doesn’t use his lower half as much as a traditional pitcher might, almost stopping himself short and letting his arm do the rest of the work. And it’s here that you can see where there’s some worry. His short-stride, aggressive motion coupled with a head whack is usually a no-no for starters.
GFY — Reread my last comment. I was actually arguing WITH you, not against you. I just put in the wrong person’s name.
@Tipsy McStagger
My apologies, I’m guilty of not reading your entire response. I jumped the gun…had bi-lateral hernia surgery yesterday and am hopped up on Percocets, lol. Actually the only reason I’m on the comments section today…have to give myself something to do while laid up in bed
Relievers become starters on a regular basis and have for decades such as Rich Hill
Still would prefer the Twins FO to pursue another starter, but for now let’s just sign Walker and or Cashner and call it an offseason.
Twins farm must be pretty sad if Walker or Cashner look appealing
Twins have a top 5 farm. They shouldn’t be signing the players mentioned
Chaim Bloom should have stayed in Tampa where he can trade for prospects and no one cares. He can’t handle the pressure of Boston.
Actually I think he’s handling things perfectly. Historically when changing managers, a team often looks for the opposite style to change things up. Here with the executive position. Sherington produced a title but held on to all his prospects. DD came in and was aggressive in the trade market. Now Bloom is taking his time, trying to make sure this blockbuster if completed is in the team’s long term interests.
The Preller pounce
Best offseason ever!!
Lol this sucks. Good for the Twins for standing their ground on this one
You mean for trading a player with injuries they hid?
Everyone but the Red Sox seemed to know he was more suited for the pen than the rotation.
You want to use “Red Sox Ignorance” as a defense, only a Red Sox fan will buy it.
You would think “thetruth” would have a clue but I guess not
twins suck, they will have trouble finding a trade partner for a long time
Sorry, Larry. It’s the Red Sox causing the problem, not the Twins.
The Twins didn’t change their minds and want more than Maeda. It was Boston.
Some people have no basic logic reasoning skills. Must be a Red Sox fan who wants more for one single season of Mookie.
Minnesota needed that pitcher more than Red Sox needed Graterol. Minnesota knows his arm isn’t great that why they traded him in the first place.
lol, no. And minnesota *definitely* didn’t need a mid-back end rotation piece for 2 top 10 prospects
Maeda is actually better than all their other starters. Minnesota’s rotation is really bad, but Maeda would actually be their best starter despite Berrios continuing his pretending that he’s an ace.
Minny’s top two are Berrios and Odorizzi.
Odorizzi: 4.33 xFIP in 2019.
Berrios: 4.32 xFIP in 2019.
Both had extremely lucky ERAs in 2019.
Maeda: 4.04 xFIP in 2019
Maeda would be their best starter.
You are obsessed with trash talking the Twins. Settle down guy!
Good for the twins sticking to thier evaluations and not getting bullied into something
twins suck.
Is that why they won 101 games last year? Because they suck?
They got lucky, they won’t make the playoffs this year. Their pitching is really bad.
Tomsuck
They lied and are getting their comeuppance.
So everyone knows more about this guy than the Red Sox?
Be proud Red Sox, your fans think you are idiots.
What did they lie about? Everyone knows Graterol had TJ and a shoulder issue.
Red Sox had buyers remorse and their stupid fans can’t get over it.
Graterol is plenty for Maeda. Stand firm, Falvey and Levine.
FO of Twins not having it. Good for them.
Huh? They lied.
About what?
No they didn’t
Boston illegally leaked the problem was with the twins prospect to gain more leverage
That’s the problem! Not holding up a trade, but doing it in the media!
And yes, it’s 100% Boston doing this. The twins wouldn’t be saying our guy is injured and the dodgers don’t give an F about a prospect they won’t touch
It’s your team. They’re being d**ks
Actually none of the 3 teams involved in the trade have done anything wrong. The Twins didn’t lie about Graterol’s medicals. They made public what they were allowed to make public. They had their own opinion on his medical status. The Sox had a different opinion. They did not leak any information. They just said that they weren’t happy/willing to make the trade after they had seen his medicals. They did not leak specifics. Nothing wrong or against the rules happened. It’s just the fans who are getting emotional.
The Red Sox have become a dumpster fire. First they dump Dombrowski a year after winning the World Series. Then they dump Cora. They’re still under investigation for their own sign-stealing. Now their new GM reneges on a tentative deal even though much of Graterol’s medicals were already known. Dumpster fire!
What was known Scott? Teams can’t exchange actual records until after a trade is otherwise complete? Dump Cora? He dumped himself. Investigation supposedly is to be announced next week and rumors are not much us expected to be revealed. Otherwise, the team wouldn’t have addressed publicly the managerial situation yesterday. Remember, the Globe is owned by Henry.
I agree Scott. Watching this team.lose in the off-season is almost as good as seeing them when they lose this season.
Dumb comment. Cora dumped himself, DD killed the farm and Minnesota lied about Graterol. Get a clue. Oh and the cheating lol, not even relevant
HaHa. Will that help you sleep at night telling yourself that? RedSox deserve every penalty they get and more. Cora was not some rogue agent. HaHa. And no proof Minn lied about the prospect. Seems Boston got buyers remorse. You can try to hold your head up high but like Astros, they’re cheaters and I will make it my life mission to remind the world of it. Burn RedSox burn
Suspicious. Maybe the Twins are trying to be shady dealers like the yankees so they can pound them in the postseason. It worked for the Astros. Go Twins! Pound the yankees! Maybe they need Graterol for plunking purposes.
Graterol isn’t having any effect in the 2020 postseason, smh
Sarcasm
Explain how the Twins were shady. Its been known by fans Graterol is likely a bullpen arm because of injuries. The Sox trying to bully away another prospect is shady
As I’ve said about a dozen times since yesterday, it may have been REPORTED by the media that Graterol is a reliever, but there could very well be something in his medicals that wasn’t public knowledge because, well, releasing medical records is technically a felony.
Boston would not have access to those records until the trade was otherwise agreed upon. You don’t know what information in those records caused concern. Graterol’s shoulder could be falling apart and you’d still blame Boston for “wanting more”. Yeah, I’d say a pitching prospect with no arm is cause for demanding more for one of the top 5 players on the planet.
The only people who think the Twins were shady are crazy Red Sox fans attempting to justify the teams ignorance.
Wayhazy dragging the Yankees into this because he’s a 65-year-old teenager Red Sox fan who is obsessed with the Yankees. It’s sad, really. Just sad to see a man so distraught over a rival it’s all he can think about in his retirement.
Tony Clarke whineathon incoming in 3… 2…
One more comment: Betts may be the big winner here. His stats will look a lot better in Fenway, a paradise for right-handed hitters, than they would in Dodger Stadium, not a paradise for any-handed hitters. Toss in twenty or so games in San Francisco and San Diego, and he probably would have hit something like what he did on the road in 2019: .275/.373/.480. Still good, but not gigantic numbers heading into free agency.
He’s not staying in Boston regardless unless the team kisses his butt and offers Trout numbers which is never happening.
Gonna be fun watching the Sox whiffing against their guy Graterol over the next few years.
Our down the pipe.
The Dodgers can give them another player.
The Dodgers can give them another player.
If the Dodgers were willing to give up another player.,they would have or the player they offered Boston didn’t want. This trade could very well be dead.
Ha, this off-season is way more entertaining than the regular season games.
Like someone was writing a script…..seriously
Betts to padres
Yikes. I thought the Red Sox were making out pretty good on this deal. Verdugo isn’t Betts, but he reminds me a lot of Michael Brantley. Couple that with the relief of salary of half of the Price contract and getting a flame thrower from Minnesota, it looked like a great deal. The only team I didn’t like the deal for was the Twins as Graterol could outperform Maeda in 2020 alone, not to mention years of control ahead and potential dominance. If Graterol does indeed have injury concerns, that’s too bad, otherwise this could be a blessing in disguise for Minnesota.
Nice comparison as Brantley has been hurt a lot. Special player when healthy. Difference though is above the neck. From what has been written, Brantley is a true professional one who could improve any clubhouse. In his short start in LA, Verdugo has done nothing to suggest that.
You’re also talking about a kid that’s 23 years old and walked into one of the biggest markets around. It’s not easy being a kid and walking into Hollywood like that. I do agree that Brantley has always been a pretty composed and seemingly intelligent player, but I was comparing tools more than anything. High average, good contact skills, mediocre power. I’m not ready to say Verdugo’s character is a weakness yet, I’m willing to say he’s a kid right now. Give it 2-3 years and if he’s still having issues, I agree, it’s a bigger issue.
Are you actually Anthony Rendon? Los Angeles is not Hollywood. Verdugo’s maturity was questioned in the minors. It has nothing to do with playing where he does. It is his personality.
Yikes. I thought the Red Sox were making out pretty good on this deal. Verdugo isn’t Betts, but he reminds me a lot of Michael Brantley. Couple that with the relief of salary of half of the Price contract and getting a flame thrower from Minnesota, it looked like a great deal. The only team I didn’t like the deal for was the Twins as Graterol could outperform Maeda in 2020 alone, not to mention years of control ahead and potential dominance. If Graterol does indeed have injury concerns, that’s too bad, otherwise this could be a blessing in disguise for Minnesota.
Good. As much as I like and want Maeda, he’s not worth two Twins top 10 prospects.
Not sure the Twins can get anything of value out of Graterol now, at least before the season starts, which sucks because I have been all for trading him.
CHAOS!
I love it.
Bloom should get Tampa Bay to trade for Maeda and flip the prospect(s) LA receives to Boston. Bloom know the Rays system inside-out. The Rays appear to be going for it and have shown they will deal talent from their system. Even if either LA or Boston have to eat some of Maeda’s contract it still works and everyone is happy in the end.
You’re insane if you think Betts gets traded within the AL East
Think you misread the kenphelps44 post about Bloom and the Rays, Mr. Swag.
Ray’s fan here, I think our SP will be fine. We won’t see a lot of openers this upcoming season. Would like Maeda, but would prefer that Boston gets stuck with a grumpy Price.
Wouldn’t Maeda easily push Chirinos or Yarbs down the depth chart?
I was thinking the same thing. It would be a Rays reunion of sorts with Friedman and Bloom. Interesting at the very least.
This Bloom guy seems like a bozo.
I think this whole thing started because the Red Sox saw how much heat they were getting for doing the trade in the first place. My gut says there was nothing wrong with the medicals, and the Red Sox just pulled this crap out of sellers remorse….
Not sure where the crap is coming from. I’ve been listening to EEI in the morning and heard nothing. Just as many seemed to be in favor on the return (not counting those who want him re-signed at any cost).
Do you really believe that? Come on these GM’s and front office people all know each other. That would not go over well with the GM’s and Owners in the league. The Sox owners have 4 WS since they bought the team. You think they are worried about pressure. Hell no. Unless they can’t get reasonable value, Mookie is going bye bye. He wants way too much $.
Heat ?? Of course every Red Sox fan hated it. That’s easy to predict. They got a ton of value in return. They are just greedy or had to throw in too much money
every red sox fan hated it? if you’re talking about trading Betts than please don’t say every fan because im happy we are trading Betts especially since he turned down 10yrs 300mill and asked for 12yrs 420mill…the best thing Boston can do is trade Betts
I am not happy about trading Betts, but it has to be done to hit the reset on the lux tax. I keep hearing people say that is bs, but you build the farm on the draft and on international signing. The money and the slots lost via penalties are substantial. They need to do this. I think LA needs to do it as well, Mookie is a big splash and most fans seemed to welcome the deal.
Angels should throw someone in the mix for Maeda and get this deal done! This trade catapults the Angels to favorites in the West imo
because
of
Maeda
?
haha ha
Dr. Doom, The Dodgers want to unload Joc Pederson’s salary. The Angels can’t take on Meada’s and Pederson’s salary and still stay under the threshold.
Everyone wants to stay under the threshold. I’m sure the Angels would love to acquire Maeda, but not if they have to take Pederson.
Include La Stella in the deal. He isn’t going to see much time in an Angels uniform. Maybe send him to the Red Sox, send a mid-tier prospect to the Dodgers for Maeda. Both Maeda and La Stella are making about the same next season.
People don’t understand Maeda’s contract. As a starter, Maeda will make over ten million dollars.
The Angels are still nearly $12 million under the threshold with Pederson and Stripling added in already.
The Angels could get Betts, Verdugo, and Maeda and still wouldn’t be favorites to win anything.
I’m pretty sure putting Verdugo and Betts next to Trout and having a 2-3-4-5 of Verdugo, Betts, Trout, Rendon in any order you prefer makes them just as good as Houston’s on-paper, presumably-not-cheating team.
There’s also the Joe Maddon factor, in that Joe Maddon is a far superior manager to Dusty Baker, and the Angels aren’t coming off a cheating scandal with every eye in the world on them. If the Angels make that swap, they win the division IMO.
Lol Houston’s lineup and pitching would still be better. So would Oakland’s.
dumdum!
I agree. Angels staff is terrible. There best pitcher is a DH lmao. How are they even a serious team ??
Muuuuuuuuuch improved from the end of last season. Monster staff? No. But very improved. Good enough to push for a playoff spot.
Now is the time for the Mets BVW it jump in and get Mookie. I really hope this trade blows up and Boston looks like dumb asses with Mookie and Price showing up when camp starts
That would not be a bad thing. Mookie would like to stay in Boston so maybe that happens and they end up paying him his $400M and they trade Price and JBJ which also gets them under the $208 CBT tax. Or they trade Price at the deadline. Chaim is smart and the Sox owners have 4 WS for a reason. They know what their doing.
Lol Mookie hates Boston, which is why he wants to test free agency unless they well overpay. He wants money and he isn’t loyal at all.
Id hate Boston as well with if I had to put up with fans like you. We get it, you think the Twins lied (even though you are wrong) just give it up.
Pulling out: the most effective method
Well that or taking it in the rear. Which red sox fans think was gonna happen if this trade went through.
I disagree. But then again I got 5 kids
Twins did the right thing. Good job by their management.
I think everyone knew this was coming. Let’s see how many people jump to blame the Sox for this.
Who else is there to blame but Boston?
Umm, how about the media who reported this as a done deal when it wasn’t? None of the teams involved announced anything. “Pending physicals” is the key here and in any trade.
Well, if Minnesota told Boston they were getting a healthy top prospect and Graterol is, in fact, not healthy, you blame Minnesota. You can’t really blame Boston over something you can’t know until records are furnished. For all any of us know, Graterol’s elbow is done and he’s headed for a second TJS.
We have no idea. Assuming Boston is lying about being concerned with medicals to get out of making a trade they want to make is preposterous.
Graterol IS healthy. He came back last year after the shoulder impingement and pitched in September and the postseason. He’s in Fort Myers right now working out. So unless something happened to him in the offseason that is not being reported…
Now there may be something in his medicals, wouldn’t surprise me, the concern is legit. He is a health risk, but there is absolutely nothing out there that says he can’t throw a baseball at all. The Twins were/are going to put him in the BP which means he is healthy.
Just saw a picture of Graterol throwing a bullpen. Didn’t see or read about him grabbing his arm and walking off. Yep, healthy.
Being healthy and being concerned about his future health can coexist at the same time. If he’s able to pitch (not start spring training/the season on the IL), then he’s healthy.
They should be blamed. The Sox want to dump Price on someone and they expect full value for Betts. No one wants Price. Getting five years, 3.1 WAR at age 23, who will almost certainly get better, and a top 100 pitching prospect for one year of Betts is not a bad deal. However, when you throw in Price, it all of a sudden turns into a good deal.
Hopefully Angels can get Maeda instead of Stripling and not have to give up any of their top prospects
I’m all for Maeda going to LAA and Stripling going to the Red Sox as the finishing touches to make up for the Minnesota withdrawal.
The Angels wont take on the salary of Pederson and Maeda. The Red Sox wont take on the salary of Maeda.
No prospects at all needed to get Maeda, just tell Trout to head for the real LA
What happened to the trade becoming official yesterday?
HA, Yeah some dude on here yesterday was adamant it was still happening.
It would be interesting if the rangers became the new third team if they want to replace Minnesota. Maybe acquire pollock without taking on much money from dodgers for a guy like Brock Burke or Jonathan Hernández who while not much success at majors, has some solid upside and pollock fill that center field need they have and keep Santana as a utility man. And plus if pollock stays healthy which is unlikely with his injury history he could definitely hit nicely in Texas
That would require LAD to send another stud prospect to Boston to satisfy them which I doubt LAD wants to do
Well the dodgers do have one of the deepest farm in baseball so they could still give up a good prospect without giving their top 5 prospects
Revolt, then they need more money to take Price’s contract and then Boston wont get under the cap.
The Dodgers don’t need to make this trade, the other three teams do.
I’m saying the rangers take on about a 3rd of pollock remaining contract. They still trade Pederson to angels to lose the 7.5 million on him, send Verdugo, maeta, and maybe Josiah gray or Mitchell white goes to Boston, and dodgers still get price and Betts but with the rangers taking a 3rd of pollock contract and Pederson contract going to angels, that should balance the money enough where both Red Sox get under tax and dodgers get their guys
And add Burke or Hernández like I mentioned earlier and that package right there I believe would be enough to get deal done…
The Angels don’t want Pederson, they accepted his contract to get Stripland.
So the trade I’m proposing is…
Dodgers: Betts, Price (From Boston)
Red Sox: Verdugo, Maeda, Burke, & White
Rangers: pollock, & cash (from LA)
Why would the Dodgers do that? Just because they have prospects they should hand them over?
Mitchell White isn’t a top 5 prospect in the dodgers farm, but he has some upside that the Red Sox want, and Brock Burke is an elite prospect either, Verdugo and Maeda would be major league assets they want, dodgers still get the guys they want in Betts and Price to take Maeda place, and get some relief on the pollock deal cause the rangers get him…
Isnt*… Brock Burke isn’t an elite prospect is want I meant
no way
No!
Twins bullpen is gonna be nasty.
As a Twins fan I am ok with this. Graterol is a stud in the making. If he does not become a starter he will be a lights out closer. I thought Maeda for Graterol who is MLB ready was a pretty steep price for a mid rotation arm. Graterol has the potential to be an Ace and of he doesn’t make it as a starter he will be an All Star closer.
Paying more for Maeda is a mistake. Sorry Boston your loss. The Twins can get another arm like Tijuan Walker and keep Graterol.
Lol at Tijuan Walker…….. Cant stay healthy. If you are going to gamble on him, why not just gamble on Graterol if you think he’s so great?
Low risk and high reward for Walker. Graterol is one I Hope makes a push for the rotation. Some of the signings like Rich Hill and Homer Bailey might not work. Also a regression from Odo is likely. It is good to have depth and catch lightning in a bottle with a few of them.
Not sure you’ll get lightning in a bottle from a guy who’s reported to only be throwing in the 80s.
Awesome drama. More please.
Why don’t Dodgers and Twins complete trade? LA could use Graterol in the pen and Twins get Kenta. Then Dodgers can give Boston the young starter they want, perhaps Josiah Gray or Mitchell White, whatever color the Red Sox prefer.
That’s a great idea.
And I like it, too. Let’s make the trade!
Unless the medical warning is not B.S. in which case why would the Dodgers do that?
There’s a good chance that the Dodgers FO does not value Graterol as highly as Bloom appeared to initially.
No point throwing a new prospect in the mix and taking Graterol from the Dodgers’ perspective, unless Friedman can sell Bloom on a prospect the Dodgers FO considers less valuable than Graterol.
No no no no. The dodgers aren’t trying to trade maeda without replacing him with Price. Let’s get real.
Sure, just hand them Josiah Gray. Right…..
Boston has all the pressure here. The Twins didn’t NEED to be here, they can go trade Graterol for another Maeda-ish pitcher. So they called Boston’s bluff. I’m proud of their FO.
But Boston can’t bring Mookie back now. It’s gone way too far. The players aren’t robots.
And here’s what’s worse for Boston. The following people/entities currently hate Chaim Bloom and Boston:
Arte Moreno
The entire Angels team who want Joc and Strip
Joc and his agent
Strip and his agent
Kenta Maeda and his agent
Alex Verdugo and his agent
The Twins and their players
Boston fans
Dodger fans
Angel fans
Twin fans
That’s a long list. And then there’s the Dodgers, sitting back in their fine ass plush chairs, eating popcorn and saying, “We’re pretty sure we have the division won. We’re not giving you anything else to make this work. Everyone hates you. Figure it out.”
It would be hilarious if I wasn’t a Dodger fan and I wanted Betts on the team now. But I’m totally understanding of the Dodgers not giving two poops about trying to ease this along for Mr. Bloom.