The Mookie Betts saga has reached its conclusion, and the result is a stunning three-team blockbuster that’ll massively alter the fortunes of all three clubs. The Dodgers are reportedly set to acquire Betts, David Price and significant cash considerations in a deal that will sent young outfielder Alex Verdugo to Boston and right-hander Kenta Maeda to the Twins. Minnesota, meanwhile, will send flamethrowing young righty Brusdar Graterol to the Red Sox to complete the swap.
In making this move, Boston bids adieu to one of its most popular and productive players of the current generation. Betts, the 2018 AL MVP and a career .301/.374/.519 hitter, has cemented himself as one of baseball’s truly elite talents. However, he has also candidly stated time and time again that he intends to test the open market as a free agent.
That lack of interest in an extension left the recently restructured Red Sox front office to weigh trading him for controllable talent now versus simply netting a draft pick in the event that he rejects a qualifying offer and signs elsewhere next winter. The prospect of losing him for that level of minimal return, coupled with ownership’s clear goal of dipping south of the $208MM luxury tax barrier, ultimately led rookie chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom to orchestrate tonight’s mega-deal.
The Dodgers, meanwhile, will land perhaps the greatest consolation prize in history. After missing out on top target Gerrit Cole earlier this winter, they’ve now acquired one of the game’s best all-around players, Betts, in addition to a high-profile starter who can still contribute to their rotation — even if his halcyon days are in the past.
Betts, still only 27, now joins an outfield that’ll feature Cody Bellinger and A.J. Pollock, with the versatile Chris Taylor and Enrique Hernandez playing complementary roles as well. While Betts didn’t quite replicate his 2018 MVP production in 2019, his .295/.391/.524 slash was still elite by measure of both wRC+ and OPS+ (both 135). He’s now been at least 35 percent better than an average hitter in three of the past four seasons by those same measures.
The bat alone would make Betts a coveted player, but he’s also among baseball’s best baserunners and an all-world defender in the outfield. Betts has won a Gold Glove in each of the past four seasons, and his 98 Defensive Runs Saved in that time lead all Major League players, regardless of position, by a whopping 13 runs. His aversion to signing a long-term deal means he has to be viewed as a pure rental player, but if you’re going to rent any player on the planet, renting one whose 30.7 fWAR over the past four seasons trails only Mike Trout for the MLB lead is certainly a good way to go. Betts will earn a $27MM salary after avoiding arbitration for the final time this winter — a record salary for an arb-eligible player.
At 34 years old, Price probably won’t be winning any more Cy Young Awards in his career, but this past season’s 4.28 ERA, 10.7 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 1.26 HR/9 and 41 percent grounder rate were all quite sound. That ERA undersells the season that Price had, too; he was plagued by a career-worst .336 average on balls in play, and fielding-independent metrics were more bullish on his efforts (3.62 FIP, 3.73 xFIP, 3.85 SIERA).
In fact, Price carried a terrific 3.16 ERA and 3.00 FIP through his first 17 starts and 88 1/3 innings with the Red Sox in 2019. Things began to go south in July as he tried to pitch through a cyst in his left wrist, and he eventually went on the injured list for more than a month while dealing with the issue. He returned in early September but made only one appearance before being shut down and undergoing surgery to alleviate the issue. Price is still owed $96MM under the then-record $217MM contract he signed prior to the 2016 season, but the Red Sox will pay a substantial portion of that sum to lessen the sting for the Dodgers.
Acquiring Betts and Price will cost Los Angeles a hefty five years of control over Verdugo and four more years of the talented Maeda, and there’s another major ripple effect, as the Dodgers have reportedly struck a separate trade sending outfielder Joc Pederson to the Angels in exchange for young infielder Luis Rengifo. Between the cash the Red Sox are sending to cover some of Price’s contract, the subtraction of Maeda and now the subtraction of Pederson’s final arbitration salary, it seems likely that the Dodgers will have managed to stay beneath the luxury tax threshold.
Not to be lost in the shuffle, the Twins are adding a quality arm to a rotation that looked to be in need of augmentation. In Maeda, they land an accomplished 31-year-old starter (32 in April) who prefers to work out of the rotation but was frequently moved to the bullpen for short stints — perhaps in part due to the massive incentives package in his eight-year contract.
Whether the Dodgers deliberately manipulated Maeda’s rotation work to suppress his earnings can’t be known, but his deal contains only a $3MM annual base with a whopping $10MM in annual bonuses based on games started and innings pitched. With the Twins, he’ll all but certainly be viewed as a rotation piece and be given every opportunity to max out those additional payments. Maeda is signed through the 2023 season, and his contract calls for a $1MM assignment bonus in the event of a trade, so he can tack that onto his career earnings.
In 589 career innings, Maeda has a 3.87 ERA with 9.8 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 1.18 HR/9 and a 40.9 percent ground-ball rate. That he’s more of a fly-ball pitcher bodes well for his fortunes in Minnesota, as the Twins have significant questions about their middle-infield defense but a high-quality group of outfield defenders led by Byron Buxton and Max Kepler. Maeda has racked up 32 2/3 career postseason innings as well, pitching to a 3.31 ERA in that time. He might not be the ace Twins fans hoped to net early this winter, but he’ll bump one of two rookies — southpaw Devin Smeltzer or right-hander Randy Dobnak — from the rotation and provide a clear boost.
In 2020, Maeda will step into a rotation that’ll be fronted by Jose Berrios and Jake Odorizzi. The Twins also re-signed Michael Pineda to a two-year contract earlier this winter, but he’ll be out through mid-May as he serves a reduced 60-game suspension for taking a banned substance. Veteran Homer Bailey will also be a part of the Twins’ starting staff after signing a one-year pact on the heels of a healthy season, and Maeda will eventually be reunited with former Dodgers teammate Rich Hill. The veteran southpaw inked a one-year deal this winter but will be out until the summer as he recovers from primary revision surgery.
Looking beyond the 2020 campaign, Maeda is all the more important for the Twins. Odorizzi, Bailey and Hill are all slated to become free agents next winter, so prior to this trade, Berrios and Pineda were the only proven starters Minnesota controlled beyond the upcoming campaign. Maeda gives them a solid mid-rotation presence to help anchor the staff and does so at an affordable rate that’ll allow the Twins to continue to be aggressive in free agency next year if they choose to double down on this winter’s surprising Josh Donaldson splash.
As for the Red Sox, today is presumably one of the most difficult days in franchise history for a number of the team’s longest-tenured executives. Luxury tax aside, Sox ownership recognizes that trading Betts will be a wildly unpopular move. John Henry and Co. surely didn’t think they’d be in this position just 16 months ago when celebrating a World Series victory, but injuries and some ill-fated expenditures brought about a mediocre 2019 season and a slew of tough choices. It’s easy to argue that a team with such considerable financial resources at its disposal should simply have kept Betts and paid up for him, but even their detractors can agree that there’s likely little joy in trading away a generational player.
The 2020 Red Sox are unquestionably worse having made this move, but they were a long shot to topple the Yankees anyhow and now acquire a pair of potential building blocks. The 23-year-old Verdugo is a longtime top prospect who enjoyed a strong 2019 season and will step right into the void left by Betts. He’s fresh off a .294/.342/.475 slash with a dozen home runs, 22 doubles and two triples in 377 plate appearances with Los Angeles and should see his playing time soar to full-time levels in 2020 and beyond.
Verdugo has excellent bat-to-ball skills and rarely strikes out (13.7 percent in his career). And while he’s no Betts with the glove — no one is — he racked up 13 DRS in 2019 and is capable of handling all three outfield positions. He’s the Red Sox’ right fielder of the future, and unlike many young players who are acquired for stars, that future will start right away; Verdugo should be in the Opening Day lineup and give Sox fans an immediate look at his potential.
The 21-year-old Graterol is less certain to open the year with the Sox, but he’s an electric and exciting talent — albeit one with more volatility than Verdugo. Injuries have plagued Graterol throughout his minor league career — he’s already undergone Tommy John surgery and has battled shoulder troubles, too — but pitchers with his type of velocity and upside are rare. The massive 6’1″, 255-pounder boasts a fastball that sits just under 100 mph and can reach as high as 103 mph, and he’s utterly dominated in the minors when healthy.
Graterol owns a career 2.48 ERA with 9.7 K/9 against 2.7 BB/9 in 214 minor league frames, and he skyrocketed across multiple levels to make his MLB debut in 2019. There’s some concern that his future is in the bullpen, but the Red Sox will likely give him every opportunity to prove that he can be a difference-maker in their rotation.
Graterol was a consensus Top 100 prospect a year ago and remains on those oft-cited rankings. Eric Longenhagen of FanGraphs has already moved Graterol to the top of Boston’s prospect rankings, noting the big righty’s potential to either function as a high-end starter or, if he moves to the ’pen, an elite reliever.
Although there are myriad high-profile players whose name will still be bandied about the trade market, there’s a chance that the Betts/Price/Maeda blockbuster will serve as the finishing touch on what has been a riveting offseason — on that hearkened back to the pre-labor-tension days that seem far longer ago than just two or three years. And in some respects, it’s merely an interesting prelude to a 2020-21 offseason that will quite likely see Betts set out into the free-agent market in search of the largest contract in MLB history. Trades of this magnitude are of the utmost rarity — and virtually unprecedented this time of year — and there’s a good chance that come October we’ll look back at Feb. 4 as a day that majorly impacted multiple division races and postseason outcomes.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported (via Twitter) that a deal was in place after MLB Network’s Jon Heyman and the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier reported that talks had become “advanced.” Speier reported the inclusion of a third team (Twitter link). SKOR North Radio’s Darren Wolfson first suggested the Twins’ potential involvement (Twitter link), and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweeted that the Twins were indeed the third team. Rosenthal reported the basic framework of the deal, tweeting that Betts and Price would head to L.A., Maeda would go to Minnesota and that Verdugo and Graterol were headed to Boston.
TinkerAmbast
Well poop….
Goku the Knowledgable One
Verdugo over Mookie all day
davidk1979
Uhh what?
bballblk
5-6ish years of Verdugo is more valuable than 1 year of Betts if they don’t think they can resign him
mcase7187
How can you say that the guy has only played 1 full major season so he could turn out to be a bust or a product of the stadium he played in
ldoggnation
If he stays healthy.
luclusciano
That’s a weird way to look at a player. Is time left > value
curtism88
My exact thoughts!! An unproven rookie is better than the AL MVP two years ago…. Give me a BREAK!!
RootedInOakland
5-6ish is an interesting way of saying 5 lol, Verdugo is a free agent after the 2024 season
emac22
Because Betts will be retired by the time the red sox are relevant again.
thefenwayfaithful 2
Totally agree here. And lets remember, its not like this is a hard feeling high drama move like lowballing Lester. They offered serious dough. If the markets not out there at $400+ million, don’t be surprised if the Sox get involved in his free agency as they would have if they held onto him.
To get Verdugo AND Graterol? This should grade out well over the years. But you never know!
Lovinmlb
Well being that his splits are about the same and it’s dodger stadium I wouldn’t worry about product of home field.
bballblk
I’m not a Dodgers fan; I didn’t know exactly when he’d be a free agent.
sax332n86
And would LA think that they *couldn’t re-sign him*? Verdugo is a nice player, and I’m not happy about seeing him go, but this was a move that the team needed to make. Betts was the best player in baseball in 2018, and that type of player isn’t available for a modest price too often.
2bbige
Thats silly… I love Dougie but he is not a known commodity ( w / injury& maturity) vs Betts who is young, known w/the flexibility to resign? No brainer. I am glad no Lux/May in deal
User 4245925809
Last known time serious dollar amounts went back and forth was last spring. boston went 10/300m and Betts + his agent countered with 12/420m.
Think about that LA fans. I’ll still call him the 2nd best player in the game with all his assets combined, but does anyone want to go 12y and 35m a year for any ballplayer? Don’t think the Sox FO really had much of a choice in moving him
bronyaur
That is a great question. How do you compare, for example, one year of a 6 WAR player to five years of a 2.5 WAR/yr player? It is possible that given differential win windows, both teams can benefit; i.e., trades like this are not zero sum games.
123redsox
That’s ignorant to think the sox won’t be relevant. Losing betts isn’t like losing Michael Jordan or LeBron james. Bogaerts and devers are stars. And the sox are replacing betts with a guy that draws comparisons to JD drew (the guy the sox won the world series with in 2007)
pasha2k
B-ball I wouldn’t be surprised if Mookie enjoys n signs in LALA
looiebelongsinthehall
Sox are looking beyond this season and Mookie made his desires known. To get nothing or less later for him made no sense as much as it hurts. Have they said how much money is involved? Hope this kid from Minnesota is the real deal because I was expecting more in volume back. This though is typical of a Tampa style maneuver getting a young arm out of nowhere so Bloom deserves the benefit at this point.
ColossusOfClout
Was Betts really the MVP or were his numbers “enhanced” under Cora just like Altuve, Bregman etc?
reneaguerra
He’s got a bad back & been unable to play baseball since August.
looiebelongsinthehall
Now let’s see Boston bring back Holt.
Lovinmlb
He will most likely sign with whoever pays him the most
MikeEmbletonSmellsBad
@2bbige Having the flexibility to re-sign Betts doesn’t make this trade better for LA. It makes it worse.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Gotta wonder if Mookie’s pop will translate to Dodger Stadium, especially if the baseball isn’t last year’s juiced version.
thefenwayfaithful 2
Feel like I need to post this quote from Betts:
boston.cbslocal.com/2019/03/20/red-sox-mookie-bett…
This is hardly the only time he said it either.
Short of someone offering what he feels is his free agent value (he quoted the team he grew up with 12 years and 420 mil), he’s going to free agency. You have to think with a new team, that 12/420 might not even be enough.
Its a great move for the Dodgers, but its an automatic loss for them if they don’t win the WS in 2020. There is a 1-2% chance Betts will decide to change a stance he’s had for years. Looking at this in 2022, the Red Sox will be seen as winners in this deal unless Price finds the fountain of youth or the Dodgers win a World Series.
Also keep in mind, they lost Pederson, who accounts for 3.3 WAR (though he’s heading to free agency after 2020) and Maeda who realistically Price will post similar numbers to and accounted for 1.8 WAR. Verdugo also represented a 3.1 WAR in just over half a season.
This trade is a very risky one for the Dodgers. They are putting a lot of faith in 1-man to be the missing piece. I know this is a very “in a bubble” presentation of the facts and its about what Price and Betts do for the roster as a whole, but no World Series in 2020 could put the Dodgers front office on a hot seat.
g8752
Very interesting question?
g8752
I think you are spot on
astrosarecheaters2017
Verdugo over Mookie all day
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Well yeah minimum salary vs 30+mil aav for the next 8-10 years after this year.
Daynlokki
Don’t forget the Red Sox can reset their tax stuff and just get Mookie back after this season lol.
RedSox4Life4ever
Any word if where the Red Sox stand now in regards to the CBT after the trade?
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
That’s not happening. They can’t outbid the Dodgers or Yankees and I doubt Bloom even wants to go in that direction again.
Sign all the Cubans
Lol…like what Red Sox fans thought would happen with Jon Lester?
mcmillankmm
I was thinking good riddance when they dealt him….proved to be the right decision to pass on an extension with him
PinstripedPride
Spotrac has updated its payroll estimates for Boston post-trade and they put the Red Sox at $191.6 million for tax allocation purposes. That’s including the $16 million retained salary for Price. So they’re under.
spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/
stymeedone
Sure, the Yankees can afford him, but why pay that much for someone you don’t need. They have plenty of OFs.
looiebelongsinthehall
Pendroia, of course they could outbid either team. It’s not like their putting in their last dollar in any specific move but overspending is what got the team in it’s current position. Meanwhile of the three, Boston has four titles in the last 20 years. Was it worth it? Yes in my view. The Yankees will have tough decisions ahead but for now, they’re in win now mode. Dodgers have future financial flexibility but given Mookie’s desire to test free agency, so are they.
yewed
After this upcoming season Boston will have roughly 60 million of cap space. A lot of nice free agents available next year.. Should be fun for the next few years..
Buck Jones
But only if Mookie says so..
RedSox4Life4ever
Thanks PinstripedPride!
MikeEmbletonSmellsBad
@pwndroia good thing they got something for him now then
MikeEmbletonSmellsBad
@Sign all the Cubans come on man. The Cubs offered Lester $20m more than the Red Sox did. That’s twenty million dollars. He would have signed with the Cubs even if Boston hadn’t traded him.
thefenwayfaithful 2
By my math (which is imperfect as I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me) they are in the 198-205 mil mark. They can certainly look at adding a back end starter and a bullpen arm before the season if they decide they are serious about competing in 2020.
thefenwayfaithful 2
Lester was much different. He was rightfully sour that the Sox lowballed him in the $60-70 million range and he knew he was worth double that.
Betts the Sox offered around 10/300 a few times already and have been turned down numerous times. That’s not a lowball offer. Lower then what he gets? Probably. But its a good starting point for discussions. When Betts countered at 12/420, this move became inevitable. He forced Boston’s hand. He knows that.
I don’t think he’d have any opposition to joining the Sox and will take the best offer on the market. Speculation, but I think this says more about the Players Association then Betts. Trout resigned (at least at a huge AAV), but they need guys like Harper, Betts and Trout to set new free agency standards as A-Rod and others did before them. The players association strongly discourages taking less then max value, because it impacts the rest of the players around the league. Free agency, though it doesn’t seem it sometimes, is good for baseball, growth and competitive balance.
Valkyrie
Psychologists have a term for this kind of idiotic compensation. It’s called Sweet Lemons.
delete
I guess the Dodgers aren’t really that offended by cheaters.
prov356
Please stop.
Goku the Knowledgable One
How many arb years does Alex have left? Definitely a lopsided trade
sax332n86
He has one year of service time accrued. He’ll be arbitration eligible in 2022.
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
If there’s a dead horse to beat, beisbolista will be right there with club in hand!
delete
Dead horse? The report hasn’t even come out yet you imbecile
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
I overestimated your intellect! I’m sorry I’ll have to spell it out for you!
Anything related to a Houston or Boston player, ***Insert cheater comment from Beisbolista here*****
bronyaur
To be fair, this dead horse probably calls for a lot mor3 beating over a couple of more years to really figure out how MLB and fans should think about what happened. This was generationally epic.
mcase7187
Sox’s didn’t cheat in the WS and playoffs they where watched like hawks at that time
fox471 Dave
And you know they did not cheat how?
chiefivey
lmaoo
dugdog83
Time to trade Price
dodgerblue88
Verdugo will be more valuable in the future if Mookie walks, but is he this year?
Do the Dodgers have a better shot with ‘20 Mookie, or ‘21 Verdugo with Turner either a FA or a year older, and Kershaw and Kenley a year older?
Bellingers positional flexibility lets the Dodgers search for a replacement for Betts/Verdugo in ‘21 either in the OF or 1B, much easier positions to find help in.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Dodgers got ripped off
paddyo furnichuh
You mean by giving up both Verdugo and Maeda in the 3-team deal? I wouldn’t say getting ripped off, but I suspect with the prospect going from the Twins to Boston, LA will get some money coming back from Boston. Hopeful guessing maybe…
Buck Jones
Oh well, there is always next year, or the year after, or the year after,that or perhaps, the year after that or the………….
fox471 Dave
By whom?
Buck Jones
Betts are off.
IronBallsMcGinty
Nice, good get for Boston
casorgreener
Yeah them boys should finally have what it takes to win it all….Go Astros!
awall
Trashstros. Astros fans are the worst. Especially since they only been around since 2017 and are unethical.
goastros123
Some of us, myself included, were around before 2017.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
Go bang a trashcan
savoyspecial
That’s hilarious!!! Awesome!!!
Goose
Are you saying ‘Ok Boomer’ literally?
rangers92
Rangers
davidk1979
Their rotation is full
rangers92
AJ Pollock? Lol
Buck Jones
What is so funny about a fish?
Buck Jones
Of what?
birdsfan415
WHOAAA
yandymania
Thanks for bailing out the red sux, LA. Great job listening to all the whining cowards telling you that you needed to “go for it”.
mcdusty49
I appreciate your unbiased insight thank you for stopping by this evening
bringbackthebluee
Dodgers wanted to block him from going to the Padres and they succeeded.
yandymania
Yeah I’m sure the Los Angeles dodgers were quaking in their boots at the prospect of a 1 year rental elevating the padres over a 106 win team
bringbackthebluee
When did I ever say we were going to win 106 games?? They blocked him just for the fun of it.
Ironman_4life
You all must be in California.
nypadre66
Why? Did they feel sorry for the Padres’ owners that Preller keeps throwing away all their money and not getting out of the basement? Betts wouldn’t have made the Padres a challenge for the Doggers.
fox471 Dave
Oh yeah, that was the reason. Everyone is terrified of the Padres.
BUGZ
No word on the return so how you know they got bailed out? Only verdugo so far
brucebochyisthemarlboroman
Hey remember that time the Dodgers made a similar trade with Boston for A Gon, Beckett and Crawford? Pepperidge Farms remembers…..
Buck Jones
Of course, we remember and we also remember who won the WS that year too. Lol.
DrDan75
The thing is… the Dodgers were going to win 100+ games again (or come damned close) anyway. Anything can happen in the playoffs because *all* of the teams in the playoffs are good. Trading for one guy isn’t going to nail it down for you, I don’t care how good he is.
So the Dodgers cruise to a 120 win season and still maybe lose to the Yankees or the Twins or Rays in the world series or choke against the Braves in the NLCS. . it could happen, that’s the beauty of the game.
JustCheckingIn
Yeah because adding a guy who can single handily win games on both sides of the ball is a dumb proposition when playing must win games
Each of the 3 defeats have had the offense turn into pumpkins in the playoffs. But what a stupid idea!
This is some dumb logic
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Dodgers would have won the NL West without making this move. Doubt Price is gonna be an upgrade over Maeda. Long term, I’d rather have Verdugo and four years of control than one year of Mookie.
solaris602
I see Price as more of a replacement for Hill than Maeda. Regardless, Dodgers will dominate the NL West and beyond whether they make this trade or not. I think the inclusion of Maeda puts them in a position where they’ll have to acquire another SP at the deadline.
dynamite drop in monty
You guys playin’ cards?
braveshomer
I like fried chicken too
Padres2019ha
Fook
aussiegiants53
Annnnnnd here we go!! What could the 3rd team be offering here?
schellis 2
Reds getting seager of course.
Likely a dodger arm going somewhere for a prospect
jawinks
Dodgers still won’t win a WS
tjk
this made me laugh. I hope so you’re right! 🙂
Eatdust666
Yeah as long as Clayton Kershaw chokes in the playoff, which he will, this won’t mean jack diddly squat.
Rangers29
I guess the silver lining to this is that the Rangers have a better shot at the WC without Betts and Price on the sox.
fletch
Can’t seeing Rangers having any shot at WC with Gibson in the rotation.
Rangers29
He’s our 5th starter, he wouldn’t be used in the postseason.
Rangers29
And he’s our 5th… so yeah
mcase7187
Have you looked at the rest of the team they still have Sale,Devers,JDM,bendy and X B
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Three teams are better than the Rangers in that division.
sax332n86
Why would you think the Rangers have any shot whatsoever at a championship, regardless?
rangers92
Aj pollock to the Rangers?
Rangers29
Pls no. Just no. I’d rather a young speedster at the bottom of the order. Like Billy Hamilton, I just don’t like that contract.
robluca21
Yeah who wants good players on their teams when you can get a centerfeilder with a sub .300 on base
bencole
Uh, Hamilton is a free agent
Rangers29
I meant the Pollock contract.
shawnjohn
Hamilton is pure garbage and is a free agent. Anybody can have his worthless obp
schellis 2
I don’t know. With the 26th man a guy like Hamilton could be a valuable bench weapon.
rangers92
A true center fielder with an OPS at 108 and an OBP of like .330 with some pop
I’d say the Rangers could use that.
Let Santana be a utility player or 1b
Bleedblue_22
Let’s Go Dodgers! Lets Go!
Slipknot37
Lol. How many starters does LA need?
bobbleheadguru
Betts not a Red Sox? Not right!
DodgerNation
FINALLY MY DODGERS GOT IT DONE
padreshalxmon
Doesn’t mean you won’t choke again
mcdusty49
At least we can get to a position to choke instead of just choking on our division rivals all year
taran7
You mean be cheated against?
Nicks Nats
They certainly did
wiggysf
Alright, step one of my plan as a Giants fan is complete. Step two is that the Dodgers don’t make it to the World Series, and step three is that Mookie walks in free agency.
mcdusty49
So much to look forward to, good for you buddy keep on hating
Briffle2
Wtf plan is that
sax332n86
You forgot about the step where the Giants lose 100+ games next year, because their roster is the least-talented in baseball.
The Oregonian
Did you type that with a straight face sax? Ever heard of a little team called the Orioles?
manrock
Trey Mancini way better then any Giants hitter. Best Giants hitter last year was let go by the Orioles.
DrDan75
The Orioles? Are they in Detroit these days?
wiggysf
I don’t disagree. The Giants major league team is terrible, and it will be for the next couple years. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. My hope is to field a competitive team by 2022 or so, and make it back to the postseason.
And yeah, I don’t want the Dodgers to win the World Series. I’m allowed to want them to fall short. There’s a reason it’s called a rivalry.
FrankieBaby
Typical giants fan. So obsessed with the dodgers instead of their own team. But I get it the giants aren’t going to good again for years so you gotta have something. Good job lil planner.
bellybombs
Step 1 is Dodgers win World Series?
ksbywaino
There’s that big move Dodgers fans were hoping for!
aloop
You Boston fans have got a potential monster in Verdugo.
rivera42
Above average? Sure. Monster? Yeah, I don’t see that.
Lovinmlb
Riv agree 100% unless he blooms late and gets better than what he has shown far.
DVail1979
I love Betts but Verdugo was a steal!!
nymetsking
So they traded for a second mascot?
Equinsu Ocha
they don’t need that though. the lineup still looks good and they’ll get below the threshold. I’m happy
bigdaddyt
Said it before I will say it again. Jays should get on that be the 3rd team involved and take on a good chunk of prices remaining contract. Would have a half way decent rotation if that happened
shawnjohn
Lmao… no!
Baselinebrew
w00t!!
jdgoat
Congrats Dodgers fans
luckyh
Nick Punto trade 2.0? 2020?
Tork
Punto for president
nick effing punto
Agreed
jasonlamarche
Sad Padres fan… Shall we start up kris Bryant trade rumors again?
ABCD
Don’t really want to trade Bryant, but how about Patino, Margot, and Morejon for him?
SanDiegoTom
Deal
AtlSoxFan
You’ll have to take myers back with 60 or more percent of his salary in any deal with SD….
DrDan75
I’m a Padres fan and not sad in the least. AJ would have given up the farm for a rental. They’re not close enough to relevance for that yet.
Catuli Carl
If the Dodgers can’t win it this year, Idk how they ever will.
Gmen777
If the Dodgers don’t win it all this year then idk if it’ll ever happen. That’s a heck of a lineup wow
BeeVeeTee
It seems like the Red Sox alway dump their bad contracts to the Dodgers like they did with Beckett, Crawford and Gonzalez!
Mictig
They got nothing back in that deal…at least someone of quality headed east in this one
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
What are you talking about? Dodgers gave us the 2013 World Series…
soxsam32
We got nick punto, rubby de la Rosa and another pitcher in the deal. None of them turned out to be anything. Yes the payroll got cleared so we could sign Napoli/Victorino/Gomes but that’s not his point
jmi1950
Punto also went to LA. deLe Rosa went to AZ for Wade Miley. Miley went to SEA for C Smith who blew out his arm. Webster went to Pitt for Brock Holt.
nick effing punto
Future HOF Nick Punto
prov356
Bee – They’re not dumping a bad contract on the Dodgers. Betts has just this year before free agency. The Dodgers will offer him their own bad contract before the all star break.
BeeVeeTee
Just taking on Price’s contract is ridiculous! Price is not worth his early salary!
bringbackthebluee
The Twins will bail them out and give them prospects in return for price. Just like the Padres took on Kemp and the Reds took on Puig. These mega market Teams need all the help we can give them!!
DrDan75
I was just reading about how Kemp’s mansion in Poway from when he was a Padre finally sold. He got 4.3 million for it after buying it for 9.75 million back in 2015.
No wonder retired ballplayers are out selling autographs for ten bucks a pop.
stymeedone
Just like they offered a contract to Machado. Betts is one and done in LA
Rallyshirt
As good as these players are or were, it’s tough to expect any dominance while learning a whole new league. See: Machado
So the winner here is Boston.
beyou02215
Well then. Preller’s seat just got a little hotter. Not even a pipe dream of a chance to catch the Dodgers and a WC seems tough. I wonder how close the Pads were? If they balked over $15 million with a chance to shed half of Myers salary then this is a big miss.
larry48
Red sock never ever plan to trade with padres
larry48
Red sock never ever plan to trade with padres
padrefishtaco
Once the rumors of the Padres trading for Betts hit the street, I was intrigued, but the more I thought about it, the more I hoped it didn’t happen. I may be in the minority, but I feel that one year of Betts with a slim chance of re-signing him in the off-season is not worth whatever Preller would have had to give up. Keeping Myers isn’t ideal, but there may be another chance for the Pads to unload him at the trade deadline or in the off-season. Who knows, maybe he’ll surprise everyone and have a decent season.
DrDan75
The Red Sox suckered Preller into trade talks in order to get the Dodgers back to the table. Probably a little payback for the whole Pomeranz / Anderson Espinoza debacle.
Simodine
That makes zero sense, if anything it brought the price up for the dodgers benefiting the Padres compared to if they weren’t involved.
Think before posting geez.
ramon garciaparra
Because Espinoza is a Cy Young candidate next year.
solaris602
Padres’ problem is nobody wants Wil Myers even if SD eats 75% of that contract. Myers is Chris Davis West.
Megatron2005
Red Sox getting Verdugo is an automatic win.
hiflew
Why are people talking about a guy that hit .290 with 14 HRs in 106 games as if he is the second coming of Mickey Mantle or Duke Snider?
He might become good, but he is not an automatic win.
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
Hiflew’s comments in one word:
Cuckoo
hiflew
Just the fact that you disagree with the comment makes me feel much better.
BTW, you should stick with one word comments because every word you type makes you look worse.
bringbackthebluee
Of course now that Verdugo is gone, Dodger fans are going to downplay his talents.
taran7
No he’s good. We just don’t know how good yet.
hiflew
Why does everyone assume I am a Dodger fan?
neoncactus
I don’t downplay his talents. I like Verdugo. He hit lefties well, is a good clutch hitter and wasn’t a homer-or-strikeout guy like a lot of the offense. I don’t like giving him up, and I also think they are going to miss Maeda coming out of the pen, but I give the Dodgers credit for getting two solid stars. And they kept all of their young prospects for future trades.
Lovinmlb
Scary but I actually agree with hiflew. Verdugo so far has shown a lack in speed, power, and ability to take a walk. Just a average guy coming off injury. Can he improve? I dunno, but far from a sure thing. The pitcher from the twins looks nice though. That is the best piece. Soxs killed it. Dodgers did fine. Twins we will have to wait and see on who evaluated their prospect correctly.
hiflew
Be careful. Apparently I am considered a pariah around here. Agreeing with me publicly here means you might be laughed at in the middle school cafeteria tomorrow.
Lovinmlb
@hiflew. I couldn’t agree with you when you told us Degrom will make an additional 200 million from age 35 on but you are right on this. So you surprised me. Well have to see how you do in future posts.
hiflew
I don’t remember saying that. I remember the conversation, but I don’t remember saying that exactly. I don’t think he will make $200 million from 35 on. I just said that you had to add the money he would make from 35 on to his current contract if you want to compare it to Cole’s deal. No I don’t think he will surpass Cole’s total, but it would be a lot closer than it appears now if the time frames on both pitchers were the same.
Lovinmlb
Hiflew well to come close to Cole’s 324 or whatever it was would mean he would have to make 200 million after this contract. I believe he can opt out and probably will if healthy and elite but then he would have to be 33 or 34 and get 260 million contract.
stymeedone
Verdugo was also playing in a pitchers park. Playing half your games in Fenway will improve any players numbers.
hiflew
Tell that to Pablo Sandoval.
Lovinmlb
Yeah stymeedone. What ya gotta say about that haha
sbpaco
The Atlanta Braves better take notes if they want to be serious about competing. It’s no coincidence that they are on a 10 playoff series losing streak.
just my opinion
Waiting for the MORE TO COME
Aaron Sapoznik
Jeff Passan of ESPN also reporting the possibility of a third team that might actually receive David Price + Cash. Per tweet: Significant cash will be going the way of wherever David Price lands. But the main player, Mookie Betts, will be a Dodger should medicals go as expected.
brandons-3
Sports Illustrated photoshopped a Dodgers jersey onto Betts and gotta say…some players just look better wearing certain jerseys. Betts just looks like a Dodger in it.
HarveyD82
if the dodgers do not make it to the WS and win it all, they are the biggest chokers of all time. so much talent… there are no excuses now. hate on me all you want but its true
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
So, you think the Yankees are mincemeat?
mbauza25
Go reds
Shadow Realm
what a ridiculous day in baseball…
Rangers29
I just hope that the Dodgers get hit by another Miracle team next year (maybe the Mets), and their players hit free agency, and they can’t pay them.
PinstripedPride
FINALLY it is done. I’ll bet the Reds are the third team, and they send Senzel to get Seager in return. They need a good SS badly
Thronson5
Thank God!
Catuli Carl
How do you give up Verdugo for one year of Mookie?
Ma4170
To win a title? Without losing a wink of sleep
Catuli Carl
Verdugo was nearly as good as Mookie last year and is under control for 5 more years.
JustCheckingIn
He was half the player Value wise stop lying to yourself
Catuli Carl
No he wasn’t… Verdugo produced 3.1 BRWAR over 343 ABs. Mookie produced 6.8 over 597 ABs. At the same number of at bats, Verdugo is at 5.4 baseball reference WAR. Mookie was worth 1.4 more wins than Verdugo last year and Verdugo comes with 5 years of control compared to Mookie’s 1. I wouldn’t make that deal if I were the Dodgers.
math
1.2 of Verdugo’s WAR is dWAR, so if you’re only gonna talk about ABs, the correct numbers are 5.2 vs 1.9. Verdugo is also still uncleared for baseball activity, now 6 full months after his most recent injury. He will be lucky to get 350 ABs again this year. Verdugo will be a stud eventually but for the Dodgers it’s a win-now move that didn’t cost them anyone named Lux, May, Smith, Ruiz.
Darryl Rose
Lmao. No he wasn’t.
RiverKKiller999
It’s silly to acquire Betts only to win the National leauge title . 😉
hiflew
Because Verdugo is a prospect and Mookie is an MVP. Is it really that hard for you to figure out?
Catuli Carl
See above comment
hiflew
Abut half of that bWAR was defensive and those calculations are suspect to say the least. In my opinion, the Sox just got a younger Jason Heyward. Not a bad player, but not exactly a superstar either.
Lovinmlb
I say more like a Corey Dickerson. Verdugo shown he can hit .300 maybe he can become a stud. But I am going to trust one of the best scouting departments in baseball not to give away 5 years of a stud for 1 year of one.
Ully
Place your Betts for whatever Price you want!
RedFeather
Meanwhile in St. Louis…
“…”
cards04
Never thought it would happen buddy
crazy4cleveland
Third team is Cleveland. Lindor to the Dodgers for a AAAA outfielder
TeeBallChampion
Hard to stomach this as a Padres fan. This is one where I’m always going to wonder “what could have been.”
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
“What could have been”
“What could have been a 3rd place finish in the NL West , followed by the loss of prospects and Mookie Betts at seasons end”
You guys REALLY missed out.
nypadre66
Preller could have peed away another $30M and they would have finished in 3rd place with about 80 wins.
ben4ben
MY DODGERS GOT IT DONE ✅
PinstripedPride
Whichever AL team faces the Dodgers this year is going to have a seriously tough time. 2020 has the makings of being a classic Yankees-Dodgers duel
Lovinmlb
Pitching still wins. I would take my chances against 2 games of Kershaw and 2 from price and their bullpen. Dodgers need to acquire 1 or 2 elite backend guys to really sure things up. They have to August. They will win the West easily even before this trade.
logan26
You do realize the dodgers have buehler as well. He has proven himself to be a big pitcher since arriving to the big leagues. He would take 2 games before price.
Lovinmlb
buehler game 1 and 5. Kershaw game 2 and 6 Price game 3 so maybe buehler pitches short rest game 7. But what if buehler goes game 7 a previous series and won’t start until game 3 next series? You don’t know how it will play out. You must have him pitching every game or only on 2 or 3 days rest every series.
carlos15
I think Boston knows that no matter what ridiculous contract they give out they’ll always have the dodgers to unload it on
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
Verdugo is good, but he ain’t no Mookie Betts. Go for it Dodgers!
Catuli Carl
But Verdugo is nearly as good as Mookie and comes with 5 years of control. Mookie is a free agent next year.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
Nearly as good? He’s a prospect who already has injury history in the form of a bad back. And he was expendable on the Dodgers. Have you seen Mookie play? Many consider him second best position player only to Trout. And if they don’t resign him. they get a draft pick and have all the money in the world to sign someone else if need be.
Lovinmlb
Dodgers can always trade for Corey Dickerson if they want a Verdugo back. As good as Mookie. You are either a idiot or a troll who thinks he is funny so what one is it?
Rangers29
WHAT THE TWINS?!?!? THIS IS THE BEST OFF-SEASON IN THE PAST 20 YEARS!!!
Paul Griggs
The Twins are not going to have room for all their AAA relievers! It’s great to have 7 or more starters to pick from, even if none are dominant aces.
Good Guys
Seven or more starters to pick from? The Twins have 3 starters to begin the season with and 2 spots in their starting rotation to fill before opening day. This should be a concern for a team looking to contend in 2020 and is why the front office just signed Chacin to a minor league deal, traded for Maeda, and is also looking into signing Walker. Apparently they must not be that confident in starting the season with two rookie pitchers or they wouldn’t have just traded their best minor league arm to get Maeda.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
For the Twins, maybe, but the Reds and White Sox have both done more to improve overall.
bravesfan
Woah… need all the details but dang
schwameegrandsalami
The third team is gonna be the reds and they’re gonna get seager
96ws6
I guess since they can’t beat teams that cheat, they go out and trade for their players.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Dodgers have always been a dumping ground for Red Sox players… All I have to say is thank you.
2012orioles
I hate that Boston is trading Betts as a business move when they can compete, but if you have the chance to get price off the books you do it.
jaytibbs
If the Dodgers are giving up Verdugo, a cheap and controllable outfielder with a lot of potential, plus taking on Price’s contract, then they shouldn’t be giving up anything else of value for just one year of Betts.
throwinched10
Mariners, Rays, or Padres will be the 3rd team.
Begamin
Mariners, Rays, and Padres are not the Twins, who are the reported 3rd team.
5toolMVP
They aren’t the Angels either.
brightly13
Nice
Goose
What has been said so far is it is Mookie and Price for Verdugo and another player. The Dodgers are eating all the money.
This could be a good deal for both teams if there is any truth to this deal.
I wonder if Price and Verdugo will pass their physicals. Verdugo has that weird oblique injury that ended his season early still nagging him. I wonder if it is a tear.
yanks02026
No where have I seen the Dodgers eating all the money.. One report said they’re paying half of price.
taran7
Significant cash from Boston to LA they say
taran7
Why the hell does everything I post post twice???
8
I was betting on Betts to the Yankees for Clint Frazier
nymetsking
Any other bets you’d like to make? Hit me up, anytime
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Yankees and Dodgers both lose in the LDS and/or LCS
BeeVeeTee
I concur!
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I was joking but its gonna be great if they did .. especially the Yankees. Cole is gonna be the new Jason Giambi. Another 7 years without a championship
realgone2
Is it LAD flipping price to Twins and Twins sending someone to Sox?
Matt Galvin
Eddie Rosario.
Rangers29
If Verdugo goes to the Sox then why would they need Rosiario.
Rangers29
I’m gonna die, pure shock.
jett
Insanity trading Verdugo for Price & Betts, if that’s the extent of what the Dodgers receive, it’s a hands down win for the Sox. The Dodgers only benefit from this deal if they win the WS. Mookie’s a great player but he’s no guarantee to re-sign and even if so, it’ll be haphazardly expensive. Over the next 5-7 years I’ll take the younger, cheaper player like Verdugo. Betts is still the better player but the Dodgers must’ve felt the pressure badly to make this move.
The NL West is a winner in the long-term overall though. The Dodgers were going to win this division anyway this year but they just traded away their cheapest, young OF’er. Bellinger will be crazy expensive to extend and while guys like Lux & May are great prospects, plenty of them don’t live up to the hype. While Verdugo may never be the star that Bellinger or Betts is, Championship teams need guys like Verdugo.
Like I said, the Dodgers win short-term if they win the WS but this would be a long-term win for Boston and the other NL West teams.
bringbackthebluee
Dodgers screw the Padres once again.
Javia
Trust me, the Padres aren’t crying over this one. Now LA has their own version of Will Myers for their rotation!
padrefishtaco
Only if the Dodgers are able to re-sign Betts in the off-season, then the Padres would be screwed. I’m kind of relieved that they didn’t pull the trigger just for one year of Betts. It doesn’t make sense to me. Not worth it given the current state of the Padres IMO. They are still at least a year out before being a real threat to the Dodgers.
Lovinmlb
One factor people are overlooking is Dodger tickets aren’t cheap and the fan base is like yeah yeah they will win the West easily, they didn’t do crap this off season. Mookie now gave the base some excitement. Put butts in seats.
rangers92
Joc Pederson to the Angels?
WTF?
Rangers29
Where’d you get that?
rangers92
Sources
Rangers29
Ok I saw it… holy crap.
rangers92
Ken Rosenthal lol
PinstripedPride
I’m confused, if Twins are still involved then that has to make FOUR teams
JustCheckingIn
Or 2 diff deals
5toolMVP
Maybe it was either Twins or Angels?
Or maybe Price gets flipped to Twins?
arinyc
Mike Trout wanted Eppler to build a contending team around him. Well despite the lack of a decent rotation, Pederson will help to deliver offense. The defense is shaping up.. Trout, Ohtani, Rendon, Upton, Simmons, Fletcher comprise a formidable lineup.
sax332n86
Pederson is a sure bet to walk after this season, and he wasn’t returning to LA regardless. His fate was sealed when LA signed Pollack LAST offseason.
DarkSide830
good greif this is crazy
arinyc
Wonder which of the Red Sox stars is next on the trading block, since apparently none of them are off limits. Bogaerts? Benintendi? Devers? Now the rotation only has Sale and Rodriguez to count on, with no top or secondary starters left on the market. Way to go O’Hallaran. Keep it up!
Sincerely, Yankees Nation.
DarkSide830
theyre not rebuilding, theyre just trying to reset their luxury tax situation.
arinyc
They could have just unloaded Price, along with Holt or Bogaerts. Or mlb ready talent. To trade away Betts will cost them in the short term, then even more if they try to re-acquire him in free agency. Depending on his performance with the Dodgers, he could command the biggest contract of the next off season.
AtlSoxFan
Holt is a free agent.
rightyspecialist
LAD was already a Monster. Now this. WOW
twinky
Rumor, Price to Twins…..
BeeVeeTee
I hope Price goes to the Twins so the White Sox’s offense can rock him a few times this year.
bencole
White Sox aren’t good yet. Yeah, their offense should be all right, but I don’t think they win more than 83 games or so, even in that division, they just don’t have any pitching. So i’m not sure why it would matter if even if they do rock Price.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Because as the Twins proved numerous times last year, you can win 10-7, so having a questionable rotation doesn’t necessarily prevent victories. The Sox’ offense isn’t *that* good, but it will matter that they’ll rock opposing pitchers more often than prior years.
conniemacksghost
Apparently it’s the angels
WobblyGreg
Nightengale says MIN, Rosenthal says LAA. I’m inclined to never believe ole Bobby boy.
slawman
Rosenthal just reported 3rd team in Betts deal is Angels and Joc Pederson is piece headed to Anaheim.
rick68
can he pitch?
Baldkid
If the Twins are the third team, I see either Rosario or Buxton (possibly Nick Gordon) going to Red Sox and Twins getting a pitcher from the Dodgers.
PinstripedPride
Maeda maybe?
Edit: I was right, Rosenthal just tweeted it.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Maeda to MN
Edenwald21
Dodgers got a steal..
DarkSide830
oml lookes like the Jimmy Butler trade now
MetsFan22
Dodgers know they need this to beat the Mets this year
padreshalxmon
Welp, is pads fan are furious
padresfan23
It’s okay as long as Betts doesn’t resign. Although he most likely will
stretch123
Nah LAD doesnt sign guys to 400 million dollar contracts…
stretch123
Got a feeling Price is going to Twins…
stretch123
OR Angels who need a SP badly…
Rangers29
Who are the Angels sending to Boston!?!!?!?
stretch123
Mike Trout LOL
yewed
Price still needs to pass his medical records.
bradthebluefish
Glad. Boston sacrificing 2020 for 2021.
mookiessnarl
Wow. how many players/teams are involved in this thing? This is great.
Gus Leggett
Hahaha, Price gives Dodgers too many pitchers, so they send Walker Buehler to the Twins. Hahahahaha!!!!
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
*fart noise*
yanks02026
Why would Dodgers trade both Alex V and Joc. Do alot of people think Betts will sign long term with them?
BeeVeeTee
Joc is a free agent after this season.
washington_bonercats
I’d love to see all the blockbuster trades the Dodgers have made in the last decade and a half just to win nothing and cry about Houston. Can’t buy chips!
JustCheckingIn
You can cheat to them tho
Apparently that’s better. Lmfao congrats you root for the scum of mlb
VinScullysSon
I’m a Dodger season ticket holder and I’ve gotten to see 7 seasons of winning plus 7 seasons of playoffs. Feels like winning to me.
SheltonMatthews
Congrats on all your NL West Champions flags and t-shirts
brucenewton
Twins get Dustin May from the Dodgers.
JustCheckingIn
And the twins give up?
Maybe you should put “I am wishing”
It ain’t happening
sax332n86
LOL, try Kenta Maeda. The Dodgers wouldn’t trade Dustin May for anyone.
CaseyAbell
Are there any teams that aren’t involved in this trade? Who is coming and going to Minnesota?
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I was hoping Lux would be involved, but I’ll take this.
shiz1156
Apparently the Dodgers are the dumbest organization in Baseball, thought after taking Gonzalez, Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett they would have learned their lesson. A rental and a terrible David Price contract. I guess they didn’t.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Red Sox are eating a lot of Price’s contract from what I’ve heard.
dray16
a contract they won’t be paying much of
jbigz12
Price for 48 million is close to market rate. I’m not sure why everyone is so down on him. I’d take him for the money versus giving up Graterol for Maeda any day.
If the Dodgers didn’t get the Twins involved in this, they would’ve had to give up another top prospect to get Mookie. Instead they just gave up Maeda. Huge win there. I could see Price out pitching Maeda this season fairly easily.
realgone2
Kenta to Twins.
whynot 2
Maeda for a top prospect… that makes zero sense for the twins
slawman
Now Rosenthal saying Maeda going to Twins as part of deal. Need to wait for official announcement by both teams.
CaseyAbell
Oh, just saw the update about Maeda and Graterol. To be honest, Maeda might be a useful pickup for the Twins. He can eat some innings and turn in an acceptable ERA.
Boogaloo
So price and Betts for Verdugo and who else?
Why the hell do the Dodgers want price?
jbigz12
Red Sox getting Graterol and Verdugo for Betts and Price is nothing short of an absolute coup. I’m not sure why the Twins essentially gave up Graterol for Maeda though. That part baffles me.
I would hope that there is more coming from this trade going to Minnesota. Because that would be awful tough pill to swallow as a Twins fan.
schwing
It is tough…..
jbigz12
Yeah I’m really happy I’m not a Twins fan. That is absolutely brutal. We’ve seen what Maeda brings. I’m not sure how that is possibly worth a top prospect like Graterol. Just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
cman
Graterol may hit triple digits but he has absolutely no secondary offerings whatsoever and his fastball has ZERO movement. He’s made no progress either with other pitches. In his limited innings at the mlb level he has gotten crushed by opposing hitters who can hit that fastball. He’s not a top of the rotation starter in the making like everyone here is saying. This isn’t a bad trade for the Twins. Graterol might become a good reliever down the road.
hiflew
Because Kenta Maeda is a proven big league pitcher that can help the Twins win the WS and history is full of guys like Graterol that did not pan out. They are going for a Word Series title, not a farm system title.
jbigz12
Maeda is nowhere close to a TOR starter and Graterol is a top 50 or so prospect in the game. Perhaps they should’ve just paid a little bit of money for Price like the Dodgers just did.
Generic statements like “guys like Graterol flame out” is pretty stupid. That’s an extremely high price to pay for what Maeda brings. Other teams have paid way way less for comparable arms. Unless you think Maeda is due to take another leap forward I’m not sure how you’re sitting back and defending the deal. It was a heavy give.
hiflew
First off I am not stupid. I just happen to disagree with you on evaluating this baseball trade. Secondly, when you use quotation marks, you are supposed to put the exact words. Otherwise you are the one looking stupid. Finally, they did what teams have done ever since baseball started. They traded from the future to help them now. No matter how good Graterol is expected to be, he is not going to help the 2020 Twins and Maeda could.
The Twins window in the AL Central s only open for a short time. The White Sox are a year or two away, maybe not even that much. Detroit and KC are likely to be good again in 3 years or so. And Cleveland is likely stepping back a bit. This might be the Twins best chance at a title.
I’m not betting my house that the Twins are going to be winners in this deal by any means, but it would be equally foolish to bet that Graterol is going to be better as well.
jbigz12
I didn’t call you stupid. I said the comment was stupid. Smart people can say dumb things. Also not sure why you felt the need to go on a paragraph tangent about it. But anyway….
Graterol is major league ready so he could certainly help the Twins this year. Not really the biggest consideration there though. The problem is that they gave him up for Kenta Maeda. They didn’t give him up for a Zack Greinke or a guy you can slot in at the top of your rotation. You could’ve signed Dallas Keuchel for dollars and held onto your top young arm.
The Dodgers basically just got David Price for nothing if you assume that Verdugo for Betts was the real deal….I would’ve much rather taken on ~50 MM of Price’s salary and not given up a top prospect.
hiflew
It’s easy to much rather taken on ~50MM and not given up a top prospect when it is not your money. Carl Pohlad has been know as, to put it nicely, thrifty with his money. The Dodgers have always been known to take on expensive deals in order to get better players.
It’s just a case of both teams being themselves.
As far as the tangent goes, it was more a case of the straw that broke the camel’s back. I have been called several colorful names on this site today based on my opinion of a baseball trade that I had nothing to do with. I’m not losing any sleep over it, but sometimes you feel the need to defend yourself.
Lovinmlb
Maybe the twins don’t feel like the prospect is going to be a #1 or even a #2. Only reason to make this trade.
jbigz12
Maeda isn’t free though. So it’s not as if the difference between giving up a top prospect and paying price was really ~50MM. If Kenta Maeda makes 30 starts a year you’re going to be paying him ~30-35 MM bucks over the next 3 years. So would I rather pay Price 50 and keep Graterol or pay Maeda 15-20 less and lose Graterol?
Pretty easy choice on my end. Don’t like the deal for the Twins. I could obviously be wrong here but I’m not a huge fan.
hiflew
It’s not 50 for Price. It is 66. Or double the cost of Maeda. But to each their own. There is really no point in analyzing the deal until you see how it works out on the field anyway.
People around here once thought acquiring James Shields and Wade Davis for a can’t miss prospect like Wil Myers was idiotic for the Royals and it turned into a couple of World Series appearances for them. I’m sure Twins fans will be fine with losing Graterol if that happens for them.
jbigz12
Not sure how you’re doing your math.
Dodgers get 50 MM. Price is owed 96. 96-50=46
Again though, Shields was Shields. We were talking about a 200+ inning every year TOR guy. I don’t have a gigantic problem trading prospects. You either use them as trade capital or develop them into major leaguers. My problem is giving him up for Maeda.
hiflew
My math was screwed up. I got a couple of numbers transposed in my memory. No excuses, I messed up.
I just think you are underestimating and undervaluing Maeda. He has proven to be a solid big league starter (at least at Shields’ level IMO) plus he has an ability to pitch superbly out of the pen. It could be very possible that Maeda becoming a bullpen guy once Rich Hill joins the rotation in midseason. Possibly even their closer. But I guess we will just have to wait and see.
martras
Graterol is overrated by Twins fans. He’s really a 2 pitch pitcher right now, and while he’s been touted as a superstar on the way, his ultra elite velocity hasn’t translated to blowing hitters away in the upper minors like a truly elite prospect. If Graterol is able to get his changeup worked out to be a MLB worthy offering, his ceiling is still going to be short of a true ace pitcher. Berrios is Graterol’s ceiling, and while that’s really good, there’s still a ton of risk he cements himself into the bullpen.
Maeda is is nowhere close to a top of the rotation starter? Sure seems like he could be nearly as good as Berrios. Maeda doesn’t really look like an ace, but he has the ability to be a solid #2. The K rate, control, and low WHIP are all there.
darwin 22
jbigz12: Time for you to do your homework….”If Maeda makes 30 starts a year you’re going to be paying him $30-35 mill over the next 3 years”…Where did you pull that from?? The fact is the Twins inherit Maeda’s contract from LA, which is goes for the next 4 seasons…through 2023 at $3.125 mill per year!! Total cost for 4 years is $12.5 mill.. Facts do matter.
jbigz12
Maeda is 32. He’s finished the last 3 years in the pen. I don’t think I’m going to be talking about him and “upside.” Last year he made 26 starts and threw 137 innings of 4.14 ERA ball. Certainly not bad. Not #2 good either.
Graterol is a heavy give for that. Team friendly contract is great and maybe Graterol does not hit the ceiling. But I’m not knocking him for anything he’s done. He looked just fine in AAA last year. I’m not very worried about the strikeouts—he was very good at preventing runs at that level. He still has the big fastball. If he were to be a FUlltime reliever and utilized a two pitch arsenal—I’m sure the strikeouts would come in that role…. But obviously you want to develop him as a starter. That’s a lot of potential to put in the bullpen right now.
jbigz12
Christ almighty Darwin go to spotrac and search “Kenta Maeda”— Then go ahead and look at his incentives. Before replying like an A-hole saying that I did not do my homework—you should perhaps triple check that you have your answers correct.
I can appreciate a good snarky comeback if I were blowing smoke. But you F’d this one up.
JustCheckingIn
You’re using the Dodgers manipulating his incentives to avoid going over the Lux tax as if that has anything to do with his talent
He’s fantastic the first 2 times thru, and a weak team he can go 3x. LA gave him 30 starts for 4 years but magically decided he’s not good enough to start in Sept? Yeah totally legit
Do your homework before making stupid claims
jbigz12
Maeda has exactly 4 big league seasons under his belt and has made 30 starts in exactly one of them. I don’t know what the hell youre rambling on about but it isn’t based in facts. The Dodgers were nearly 7 million bucks under the tax last year. Maeda didn’t have enough incentives left on his deal to hit that total.
But sure, on a team with less pitching depth—I’m sure he would’ve made his starts. He made 26 starts last year and posted his 4.16 ERA. I was sure to mention those numbers. So I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to grasp for here.
Cave
The Dodgers rotation has been overloaded these last years. With the addition of Wood this year, it made sense to trade Maeda more than it had, even with losing Ryu, they keep May and Gonsolin.
cman
A top prospect that has proven absolutely nothing in his limited innings at hte MLB level, that hasn’t progressed at all with his secondary pitches and is a one trick pony who throws a very hard but hittable fastball with almost no movement. Right now Graterol is a reliever at best unless he really picks it up and learns to pitch.
cman
Agreed. He is vastly overrated as a prospect from what i’ve seen of him. I wouldn’t even call him a 2 pitch pitcher. He’s got a blistering fastball that is straight as an arrow that MLB hitters can and have crushed and that’s about it. He’s not a top of the rotation starter in the making at this point and hasn’t shown he can learn additional pitches so far either.
bencole
Yup agreed Jbigz12
dmarcus15
So does the Dodgers lose the draft pick tied to a QO for Betts?
pplama
Betts was still under team control. Last year of arb.
Dodgers can offer him a QO after the season and gain a pick.
Diggydugler
Red sox win BIG., Twins lose, dodgers lose unless they win the WS this year. 🙁
Jcant
Why? The dodgers can just sign another Elite outfielder if they can’t re-sign Betts.
In a 1 OF for 1 OF deal, why not try and have the better one?
jekporkins
That’s an odd way of thinking about it. Don’t forget about David Price and his thick contract. Or that they, in turn, had to move Joc Pederson and Kenta Maeda…. or that Betts is making somewhere around $26 million and is a free agent after the season while Verdugo is cheap and controllable for four years.
But yeah, it’s a 1 OF for 1 OF deal..
CommentsSectionCommenter
Not odd, really. David Price’s contract? 15M per is right in line with who he is now, and it’s fair to assume he’ll deliver at least what Maeda did. It also bears mentioning that Maeda wasn’t happy (at all) with his role as a part-time starter (his incentive-laden deal pays as a starter, not a spot starter/reliever). LAD did right by him by sending him to a team where he’ll hit his numbers, and even Pretty Good Price is as good or better. So…a wash.
Pederson was a helluva player….if he was facing a righty, and if he was hot, and if he was playing regularly. Given LAD’s depth, that’s too many ifs—especially for a guy in his walk year. If flipping him gets LAD under the threshold (re: allows Friedman to sell this to the Guggenheim folks)—especially considering the depth in that outfield now—then that’s an easy call. A fan favorite, yes…but an easy call.
And swapping a very good player with promise (and an oblique issue) and a fine bat (with little pop as yet) for a top-5 player in the game is a deal you do every time. LAD is awash in prospect depth, so the controllable years of any one of them matter less—particularly given their financial ability to sign/trade for an impact OF, in the event Betts walks.
If you look at this as a question of who will LAD even miss, should all involved stay healthy, contribute at a rate their histories suggest, etc?
The answer is only Verdugo—the price for a truly elite player (who bats righty, no less).
LAD did what rich teams should (and they’re ALL rich; some just are better at pretending like they’re not);
Make massive upgrades when they can, without mortgaging virtually any of their top-3-farm-system future.
Now, about that shaky ‘pen……….
pustule bosey
the twins did fine, they gave up a prospect and got back a rotation piece that they needed after failing to get anyone in free agency
cman
yep. Twins are not losers in this like the idiots above are stating.
BeeVeeTee
As a White Sox fan, I hope the Twins bring in Price as a part of their rotation.
pplama
Maeda
Gus Leggett
For the Twins, if it’s basically Maeda for Graterol, that’s bad for the Twins.
hiflew
How so? Maeda is a proven big league pitcher and Graterol MIGHT be a big league pitcher one day.
I understand it might be a loss for the Twins in the future if Graterol pans out and Maeda doesn’t pitch well for the Twins, but by no means is that a guarantee.
jbs32
Thing is it doesn’t have to be. Graterol is a very high end prospect, he probably could have gotten more than Maeda. That means they lose the trade, even if Graterol doesn’t sniff the majors in his career. Trades need to be judged on current values imo because that’s what you’re trading away/for. Just because you’re right about a breakout/bust doesn’t mean you got value in trade.
cman
A highly overrated high end prospect you mean. Graterol is basically a one pitch pony that throws a very hard but hittable fastball with no movement. Projects as a reliever.
pplama
Twins guarantee temsevles the AL Central and the Dodgers are the favorites to win it all.
Red Sox re=tool for 2021.
Nice trade for everyone.
Scott Kliesen
How easy is it going to be to root for the Dodgers to fail again this year? For the 32nd consecutive season!
Scott Kliesen
How easy is it going to be to root for the Dodgers to fail again this year? For the 32nd consecutive season!
Scott Kliesen
How easy is it going to be to root for the Dodgers to fail again this year? For the 32nd consecutive season!
uvmfiji
How did Price not get a no trade clause
AndreTheGiantKiller
even if he had one, why wouldn’t he waive it to try for a WS in LA instead of rebuilding in Boston?
Rangers29
Wait so the Twins are giving up a top prospect just for Maeda? Why?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Arm troubles. Likely a future reliever. Twins need starters. It is a little baffling but seems a fair trade.
bencole
Yup this Rangers29
AtlSoxFan
He had TJ young, lost 2 years from it, and went backwards in 2019 down to only 70 IP.
Has high heat, but, throwing sliders as a young arm who had TJ when his body was essentially still just growing up raises some long term questions of RP vs SP.
Twins kinds rushed him from AA where he dominated again, then just a cup of coffee in AAA with a sizeable time in MLB. Probably too early to mlb really, didn’t look quite ready for it.
Hopefully BOS puts him on a strict 100-120ip limit in 2020 AAA. Then see where things stand in 2021.
martras
Because several seasons of cheap, cost controlled quality starters aren’t traded for a PTBNL…
yewed
Cleared roughly 60 million.
Sox setting themselves up for next years free agents. Especially if JD opts out.
puhl
What in the world are the Twins thinking?? Graterol is a top 100 prospect and all they get back for him is Maeda? This makes no sense.
hiflew
Seriously go back and look at any top 100 prospects from 5+ years ago and see how many actually panned out as expected. Sure a handful became superstars, but just being in the top 100 is not a guarantee of even lasting through your arb years in the bigs, let alone being a superstar
bencole
Yeah but they got Kenta Maeda……
hiflew
You’d prefer they got someone in the rookie league that could help them get third place in the division in 5 years when they are woefully behind the ChiSox and Detroit?
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
Lol
You mean to tell me that the only two options for a trade are Kenta Maeda or a guy in the rookie league?
And you wonder why people disregard your opinions!
hiflew
Oh no. Some people I will never meet don’t respect my opinion How will I ever go on?
Would you have preferred to read every possible trade option they could have acquired instead of me condensing it down to one? Sorry don’t have the time or desire to do that. Well I have the time, but I’d prefer to spend it doing something more fulfilling than continuing to argue with the likes of you. Have a nice night.
jbs32
I think the point they are making is they could have gotten a better pitcher now for Graterol than Maeda. Which means they lost the trade, no matter how Graterol develops in the future.
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
Ding ding ding
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TWINS WIN BIG!
schwing
Noooope. Super disappointed as a twins fan.
noahflesh
Go Angels..!!
Catuli Carl
WOW. Twins throwing in Brusdar. The Red Sox struck gold with this trade.
mlb1029
There’s no such thing as “gold” when you trade your franchise player, who won you a WS, is a top 5 player in the game, AND ownership has the money to pay long term. If I was a Red Sox fan, I’d be so mad.
theredsoxrule
im a Red Sox fan and im happy he’s gone…he turned down 10yrs 300mill and asked for 12yrs 420mill haha he is NOT worth more than what Boston offered so bye bye Mookie bye bye
Lovinmlb
Agree 100% Not worth over 300. Without Ped’ s guys don’t tend to age well. Especially little guys that speed is a big part of their game.
AtlSoxFan
Moving a good chunk of price’s money is what made this deal most worthwhile for boston.
There’s two talented prospects, but, each with a significant injury history in their past. Obviously you prefer not to have that, but, you take what you can get. Attaching price limits you.
Hopefully one or both pans out long term. We’ll see.
Trading mookie? I’m ok with it. He was offered a 300m extension, but, that paid him 60m vs the 47m he actually got through arb. So he turned down 253/8 effectively… almost 32m/yr.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I’m guessing that since Minnesota is involved now, Price must be going there? Also, hearing the Sox will be paying $50M of the remaining $96M on Price’s contract too!
While I love Verdugo, they’d better be getting another prime prospect as part of this deal since they are paying so much of Price’s remaining salary. Hopefully it’s a major league ready pitcher as Boston has a huge hole in its rotation that it needs to fill!
jbigz12
Are you kidding me? You’re getting Verdugo and Graterol for a 34 year old Price and a year of a 27 million dollar Mookie Betts.
If you’re not happy—your expectations were completely unrealistic from the jump.
Dorothy_Mantooth
The Graterol info was not available when I posted my comment above. So they did get something else…Graterol. Very happy with that!
ForDoingNothing
Twins do something right and then they go back to their normal selves. What a terrible trade. Top 60 prospect for a number 4 starter. Not a fan of the state of Minnesota sports teams
Lovinmlb
Some scouts say he won’t make it as a starter. Will just have to see how smart twins front office is.
martras
Nobody thinks he can be a starter unless his changeup improves. Graterol is like a 75% bullpen arm right now, and even then, he has limited experience at upper minors.
jbigz12
I’ll take the guys who came from TB on the player valuation personally. They worked a little magic on that guy Glasnow from Pittsburgh too. We shall see how it all works out in time. But I like my chances taking the Bloom or Friedman side.
jbigz12
I’ll take the guys who came from TB on the player valuation side. They worked a little magic on that guy Glasnow from Pittsburgh too. We shall see how it all works out in time. But I like my chances taking the Bloom or Friedman side. Seem to have a pretty strong track record of unlocking talent.
jbeerj
Twins got fleeced.
hopper15
Twins are giving up a lot for Maeda.
Psychguy
As much as I’m critical of Friedman inability to put together a good pen, this is a genius trade for LA. They don’t give up any of their prized controllable assets, e.g., downs, gray or may, and they dump a fungible starter in maeda who will be replaced by may or gonsolin. They can have Pollock, Taylor, Garlick, or Rios play LF.
The Human Rain Delay
I agree, its awesome, we used money as a flex and kept all prospects outside of Verdugo- Maeda and Joc were completely fungible as you said– Just amazing
Im sure more details will come in but as of Now im thrilled
Lovinmlb
Still gotta add to the pen. Can’t waste Mookie. Get a rental or 2 at deadline.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
Other NL West teams = wasted 2020. Don’t even bother, you won’t even sniff a wildcard LMAO
stretch123
Diamondbacks…
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
Nah. NL east will have both wildcards. If not, the Reds will be the other
jekporkins
Us Giants fans will spend 2020 waiting in the shadows, rubbing our hands maniacally and biding our time, all along whispering about when the Dodgers will choke this season. Will it be the division series, the league championship series, or the World Series?
Baldkid
As a Twins fan, I’m hoping there is more to this trade than what it appears – international pool money? minor leaguers? I’m at a loss.
Enzosrevenge
Yeah Padres not worth whatever move along
KDDtwins
WTH Falvine??? Top pitching prospect with 6 years of control left for a career 4 ERA pitcher who couldn’t even stay in the rotation last year. WTH are you doing!!!
dematteo1982
While obviously Betts is the biggest and best piece in the deal..
I feel the biggest impact will be Maeda to the Twins…
While he isnt a top flight starting pitcher..he extends the quality of the Twins rotation significantly…
Graterol is alot to give up…but the Twins are going for it and i love the move for them…
Dodgers get a top 5 player in the league….aaaaaand a grossly overpaid Price…but if he can re discover his old form..watch out…
Verdugo is an excellent get for Boston who clearly had no intensions on resigning Mookie…Graterol adds to the Dodgers excellent farm system. Lets see what else Boston is getting…but so far it looks like all teams involved did a good job. LA and Minny shooting for the win-now..Boston building for the future.
Monster of a deal
gorav114
Graterol to Red Sox not Dodgers
pplama
People are overlooking that Maeda is under control for 4.13. Locking up a solid #3 or incredible $4 for that $ gives tham a ton of flexibility. Sox will pay Keuchel $90mil for that kind of production.
Twins easy favorite to win the Central.
ForDoingNothing
Yup, twins traded a top prospect for average, controllable pitching. Freaking out already about how much the gave Donaldson, so finding a way to fix it in the future. Exactly, you’re totally right
JustCheckingIn
He makes 3M base to be your #3 starter. That’s valuable
I think they overpaid, but you’re seriously undervaluing the value(lol) Maeda and his contract can bring
jbigz12
If Maeda is a starting pitcher in your rotation who makes all of his starts he’s going to bank 10 million a year. His contract does have value due to the low guarantee but it’s not as much of a steal as you put there.
CaseyAbell
What is the deal with Pederson? Who are the Angels giving up? Is this a completely separate deal?
Anyway, the Betts acquisition is basically a sop to the fans. They were p.o.ed about a quiet off-season, so the Dodgers had to do something. We’ll see how Mookie fares in a pitcher’s park with no monster 300 feet away. Machado went to a pitcher’s park in San Diego and was never heard from again (slight exaggeration).
Price is not quite an albatross if he can stay somewhat healthy. Depends on how much money the Red Sox are eating on that contract.
kevinrallen0
This comment didn’t age well.
schwing
As a twins fan, I feel sick right now. I understand Graterol is a prospect, there’s no guarantee that he will be an ace. But, he’s been the twins most hyped starting pitcher in YEARS! We finally get to see him this last September and get excited about what the future could bring. Now we’ve traded him for a middle-aged #4 starter………FML
The Human Toilet
No idea what the Twins are doing, they traded a top pitching prospect for Meada? That can’t be
PRD44
I keep hitting refresh thinking another player is coming to the Twins.
Diggydugler
very strange. Maybe they really wanted to help the Bostons.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
They are trying to win now. Not only is Graterol still a prospect but his arm delivery has such a violent motion it seems like that he may have troubles down the road without a fix.
AtlSoxFan
Graterol already had one TJ. A second wouldn’t be as easy to return from.
bush1
Yeah it’s an awful deal for the Twins. Freaking Maeda.. What a joke
Lovinmlb
How does your front office usually do? If he is only going to be a mid rotation guy then twins killed it. Some say he won’t even make it as a starter. Can’t judge the twins for another year or 2 at least.
Jcant
All this only for the wild card to beat the #1 seed half the time since the 2 wild cards format.
harleybk2
Why Joc tho
VegasSDfan
As a Padres fan, half of me wanted Betts. I was also partly interested in Price. On the flip side, that’s a lot of money for 1 year of Betts and a questionable Price.
Maybe the Dodgers will extend Betts, we will see.
Lovinmlb
Padres aren’t winning anytime soon. Betts would of been free salary wise but too costly in prospects and for what? So the Padres could win 86 games instead of 79 or 80?
Lovinmlb
Wow. What a off season! One of the best in recent memory. Something happening almost every day. Will have to see the final returns to evaluate this. How much of the price contract Boston eats. If a good portion I think both Boston and LA are winners. With the twins I would rather have the prospect, though I haven’t seen much of him, his numbers look good. They must see something they don’t love. Time will tell.
swanhenge
Welp, that sucks. Thanks Mookie.
So anyway, Bennie goes to right and Verdugo plays left?
Bruin1012
Verdugo will be the right fielder.
rmullig2
The best alignment would be Verdugo in center, Benetendi in right, and JDM in left.
AtlSoxFan
No, best alignment is Benny in LF, JBJ in center, Verdugo in RF, and JD at DH.
baseballfan20
Dang I don’t like this trade one bit. Dodgers don’t need to have Price. The Red Sox basically gave away their franchise
yewed
I hear ya but it does make sense. Dodgers and Twins are in win now mode and the Sox are looking to the next few years.
heater
Scratching head on the Twins part of this.
heater
Don’t get me wrong. I like the deal but they’ve been pumping Graterol to fans for a few years then send him out on first train. At any rate, I think it’s a good deal for all teams.
iRiE-G
Maeda? Thats it?
bravesfan
This seems like a brutal deal for the Sox. Sure there is value in getting rid of roughly $50-60 mil in money I suppose… but gosh, got to feel like you can get more in return. At least another prospect or two…. awesome blockbuster in the winter none the less
yewed
No choice if they wanted to get rid of Price’s contract. Next years free agent class has some big names. I will say that it’s a scary thought to think that a team with money can have a home grown player leave like this. I don’t like that part of the game. That being said Mookie could always resign with the Sox but then they’re in the same boat as they were this year.
Spare Tire Dixon
Dodgers balanced out their lineup with this too.
The Human Rain Delay
Yup I thought for sure Polock would go back but I really think they belive in him to be a RH force along with Mookie out there-
agentx
Friedman is ready to die on Pollock Hill. Why else for you think Friedman—er, Dave Roberts stuck with Pollock and his 11-strikeout, 0-for-13 postseason slump last October?
iRiE-G
I hope gore and patino make the opening roster and shut down the dodgers.
HaloShane
The Dodgers just get it. That’s why they are always in it.
Jonathan B.
No, they dont get it. Their issue wasnt offense, it was pitching, yet they traded for more offense. Stupid move.
bush1
Uh, they did get a pitcher and they also needed a good right handed bat, and they got the 2nd best player in the league. They really do get it.
Megatron2005
Twins are grabbing white Sox killers. Smart on their part. I’ll put them at 99 wins. Chi Sox 84.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Much as I hate to admit it, Maeda does change the Sox’ chances for the worse this year. I don’t know where you get the idea he’s a White Sox killer, though. He’s faced them exactly once in his career. He did fairly well, but one game is an awfully small sample size to apply the word ‘killer’ to. That term applies fairly to Donaldson, but not to Maeda.
As for wins, I’m projecting the Sox for 87, Twins for 97. Next year, things get more interesting.
RickEO
Chaim Bloom will build a Juggernaut in Boston
Brilliant move
Kevin28786
I agree. Betts wants to go to the highest bidder, and Boston was already turned down for an extension. Why wait?
DarkSide830
oh my gosh that is crazy
pasha2k
LA fans will love Mookie, as we do. It looks like a fair trade for everyone involved.
The Human Rain Delay
Love this, they finally used the money as a flex play as I prayed they would
– Saved all prospects outside of Verdugo
– Joc and Maeda completly fungible at this point
The bolts is basically 5 years of Verdugo for 1 of Mookie and 3 of Price @ /around 16 per only….
What a steal keeping May Ruiz Downs White Gonzo Peters Gray,
Im soooo thrilled right now!!!!!!
Nice move by the Angels as well to swoop in on the cheap for Joc , I do like Renigfro as a 26th man for LAD though !
Great day Dodger Nation !!
Mookie
Muncy
Turner
Belli
Seager
Pollock
Smith
Lux
Buehler
Jcant
You had the best record last year and it meant nothing because you lost 3 games to the wild card team.
You more likely than not going to be in that exact same situation again this year regardless if this trade happened or not
Jcant
You had the best record last year and it meant nothing because you lost 3 games to the wild card team.
You more likely than not going to be in that exact same situation again this year regardless if this trade happened or not
mcmillankmm
Joc is terrible
Thronson5
We lose Maeda and Ryu but gain Price ans Woods. How y’all feel about this? Not sure. Betts is the real price but still not sure
Vin Scully
Betts for a younger version of Melky Cabrera? Great deal for Los Angeles. Add in Verdugo’s bad attitude and it is a win for the Dodgers.
imindless
Great comparison, verdugo is good but not great player. Already has back issues and rarely plays when injured.
Jcant
The dodgers had the best team last year and lost in the first round. This actually happens a lot. None of these trades actually make a difference. The goal is to win the world series, not have the highest season WAR.
The stat guys need to start looking at more context specific stats and tell us what actually wins in the playoffs.
Buzzed Capra
If that were possible they would already have figured it out. The playoffs involve a large amount of luck. The Big Red Machine only won 2 titles in the ’70s. The Braves dynasty only won one. And look at all the money spent and games won by the Yankees since 2001, with just one title to show for it. Those are just a few examples of how hard it is to win titles, and luck plays a big role once you’re in the playoffs.
Lovinmlb
2 elite starters and 2 or 3 strong bullpen guys.
bush1
Winning in the playoffs is what teams pitching is healthy and bats hot. That’s can’t be controlled and is a roll of the dice. The Astros were a much better team then the Nats were.
Jcant
The dodgers had the best team last year and lost in the first round. This actually happens a lot. None of these trades actually make a difference. The goal is to win the world series, not have the highest season WAR.
The stat guys need to start looking at more context specific stats and tell us what actually wins in the playoffs.
twinky
Twins could have done better.
PapiElf
Well this is something!
Whodoirootfor
Only to watch dodgers choke again
twins33
I’m fine with this on the Twins side. I’ve been saying for years that Graterol is only a reliever. He has two pitches and they’re great pitches but until he develops a third and stays healthy, he’ll remain a reliever. He’s been trying a changeup for years but so far it hasn’t clicked. He’s still young, so it can still happen, but it would surprise me if it does.
The Twins absolutely struggle to develop starters. It’s been Berrios and Gibson only the last 10 years or so. That’s it. That’s terrible. In my opinion the Twins gave up their third best pitching prospect for a number three starter. Worth it, especially considering their struggles with developing guys.
schwing
You have Balazovic ahead of him I understand, but who else?
twins33
Duran. His best pitches aren’t as good as Graterol’s, but he already has 3 to 4 average or above pitches. Graterol only has two average or above pitches, though he’s been trying to add a changeup for years.
I think Duran will turn into what people hoped Graterol would and as I said there’s still time for Graterol to do it too…I just have a feeling Graterol won’t be able to add that third pitch and will remain a reliever.
I don’t think being a reliever is a meaningless position but from the Twins standpoint they need starters way more than relievers. The Twins are way better at developing relievers or converting failed starters into relievers than they are at developing starters. If Graterol is going to only be a reliever, which so far looks to be the case, it’s smart to trade him for what you’re poor at developing.
bush1
Maeda is only a bullpen arm too. He can’t pitch deep into games and gets worn out midseason every yr
twins33
I did the math very fast, so I may be off (likely am) but Maeda averaged 5.76 IP per start last year. Odorizzi was at 5.72 last year.
I will absolutely take another 2019 Odorizzi on this team in a heartbeat. Do I want more than that out of both of them? Definitely but most pitchers don’t go deep into games anymore. I believe the MLB average was 5.17 in 2019. I’m not a fan of it, but it’s the way the game has gone.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Really disappointed by this move on the Twins part…
heater
They got a solid rotation arm for a prospect that’s likely destined for the bullpen. Good move for them. Remember good trades hurt sometimes. They need proven pitching and they got an arm they can plug in now.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Plenty of other arms around the league that I would’ve rather traded for.
Archer, E-Rod, C. Smith, Gray, Ray, Musgrove, Eovaldi, Marquez, Gonzales, Montas, C-Mart, Newcomb.
agentx
Archer over Maeda!? Montas??Newcomb?
I respect your opinion but disagree with you on those three.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
I will concede that Newcomb was more of a projection based on his 2018 season and him being a hard throwing lefty with good stuff. However, I really do believe both Archer and Montas have more to gain from working with Wes rather than Maeda’s mediocre a**.
Also, who’s says we give up Graterol for any of these three?? The problem is we didn’t need to trade Graterol, yet it seems like we tried to find a reason to. Besides, after giving away Anderson and Pressly, it would’ve been nice to have another relief ace besides Rogers, but I guess not…
james5150
Remember Boston all the years you fought to get to the world series please don’t pull a Cubs plan of failure stay the course and win and win now, your the redsox baseball sucks when redsox are mediocre
mcmillankmm
Sox fan here….surprised to see most people think the Sox got the better end of it. Since the Sox are expected to pay 1/2 of Price salary I am leaning Dodgers
bush1
Price’s salary was sunk money. Even them getting a rid of half of it is good for the Sox. Nobody wanted any part of him.
DarrenDreifortsContract
That bum Friedman finally did something and all we gave up was Verdugo!
Kershaw/Buehler/Price>>>>Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz
We going to the Ship!!!!!!
The Human Rain Delay
Its a great day !!
They finally put their money where their mouth is
jleve618
Yea those three are better… in the regular season.
billlj
Can Kris Bryant be the next Dodger?
schwing
Lota of people say this is the indicator that the twins are going all in this year. If that is the case, it needs to be ALL IN. No prospect is untouchable. Package up Royce Lewis, Alex Kirriloff, and Trevor Larnoch for some top tier starting pitching. This is it, make it happen. Go big or go home, I’d rather go back to at the bottom for 5 years and go for it all than get bounced like they did last year.
mookiesboy
Great move by Sox. My Boy will be a Met this time next year
Bruin1012
No chance now that Cohen is out.
MikeyHammer
Okay, so…Yankees or Dodgers ?
Moneyballer
Maeda is a good MLB starter. Remember when he was the PRIZE free agent from across the pond? Much more heralded that Graterol. From a total value perspective this is a solid win-now move for the Twins. Keep in mind, Kenta Maeda is still on a VERY team-friendly contract through 2023! This had to appeal to the Twins. I just hope brusdar doesn’t develop into a monster, but we shall see.
schwing
Yep, and so we’re Byung Ho Park and Tsuyoshi Nishioka. Besides his ERA will balloon in the AL. But yeah cheap contract for sure.
Moneyballer
What are you talking about?! He is a proven starter in this league and his K/9 rate is very solid for a big league starter. He’s already been successfull those other guys never had success, massive difference.
bush1
Maeda is a 4 inning pitcher and gets worn out by July every year. He’s really not very good
OPACY
I’m curious Red Sox Nation…..if JD Martinez would have opted out of his contract, would Betts & Price have been moved?
JoeBrady
IMO, yes. If JDM was the issue, we could’ve traded him at a small loss. In fact, I’d bet that Betts was part of the discussion when Bloom was first hired.
yewed
I would say yes. Mookie made it clear he wanted to try free agency unless they offered him 400 plus. If JD opted out, half of his money would have went to Mookie and they still would have been over the cap. There was no way they would move Price by himself. They would have had to package him with Benintendi and still would have needed to replace both on the roster.
Boogaloo
You guys are missing one important thing from the Twins perspective.
Maeda has 4 years left on his deal for 3 million a year, that’s insanley cheap for a decent starter.
Given that, that’s a solid deal.
Sox did good, one year of mookie is not worth it especially when you have little chance at the division.
Dodgers are rolling the dice but why shouldn’t they at this point? One hell of a line up that’s gonna be.
jbigz12
Maeda’s salary balloons to about 10 MM per year if he’s a starting pitching the entire year for the Twins. It’s not as much of a steal as you’re presenting here. It’s certainly team friendly with the low guarantees. But the only way the Twins are paying him anywhere close to that amount you have listed is if he’s a reliever or he’s injured.
twins33
10 million per year is nothing in today’s MLB.
jbigz12
10 million per year is not a ton. But it’s significantly more than 3. Anyone reading his comment would think that it was 3 mil per. That’s just factually not accurate. If he makes the majority of his starts the next four years the deal will wind up being a 4/38-48 MM deal. The Twins obviously have a lot of downside protection with only ~13MM of that being guaranteed. It’s certainly a team friendly arrangement. I could not argue that if I wanted to. But it’s not the slam dunk HR he presented.
bush1
Maeda is a 4 or 5 inning pitcher max. He never goes deep into games. Plus he gets wore out easy as they year goes on. He’s a decent bullpen arm, that’s it. Dumb deal for Twins for sure
Moneyballer
This is verifiably FALSE. He pitched 159 innings last season (and some of those were out of the pen). 18 times he pitched 5 innings or better, 10 of those he pitched 6 innings or better. Plus the dodgers were trying to limit his innings so he didn’t reach his contract incentives. Know what you’re talking about before you comment.
Jbarger
But the Cubs cant find a taker for Bryant/Lester/Chatwood/Heyward lol
Moneyballer
They overvalue their veteran players.
yewed
I have to think this is a huge plus for Price. Gets him out of the East and the American league..
bobtillman
1.So the elephant in the room is how much the Sox are eating on the Price deal. makes a huge difference, both this year and in the future.
2. Can’t understand the Angels part of it at all. Joc’s OK, but…..8.5M is a lot to pay for OK….and it’s not like they don’t need to spend some money elsewhere.
3. Please stop burying the Sox. The core is still young, and if Graterol works out at all, he’ll give them what Price did. Plus let’s see what they do with (possible) payroll space. And Mookie was going to leave. Price, meanwhile, is probably VERY happy to be out of Boston; and a happy Price can be very impactful. Especially switching leagues.
4. Verdugo’s motivational issues are pretty apparent; he might mature. Might not. The Fenway faithful can get nasty when you don’t go full tilt.
5. Maeda could disappoint; this ain’t the NL West, in nice big ball parks. I’d agree Gaterol needs a 3rd pitch; so do lots of guys his age. The arm is unquestionably electric.
6. Dodgers definitely got better; Sox did OK, all things considered; not sure about the Angels and Twins.
The Human Rain Delay
1) Rumored around half so 16 per for next 3
2) I think Joc is above water on the contract, think Angels found a semi value with little risk till Adell is ready next year
3) I agree, if verdugo has a good year I dont see why we are counting the Sox as dead right now- They do have money now so trade deadline they can add an arm if they tread water till then
Boogaloo
Six are paying 50 million of price deal
jbigz12
8.5 is pretty cheap for the production Pederson gives you. Comparable outfielders have all gotten multi year guarantees. And at this point if you want an outfielder—it’s puig or bust. I don’t consider Rengifo to be much more than a utility man. He can replace Kike when some other team gives him a contract after next year.
KDDtwins
Really hope this doesn’t become the starting pitcher version of Big Papi going from Twins to Red Sox
darwin 22
For all the Twins fans whining about losing Grateroi…get a grip!! Yes, this might not work, but answer me this: When was the last time Twins ownership TOOK a RISK to improve their team by trading a top prospect? Answer: I can’t remember. Point being you have to take a risk in this game. All teams intent on winning a World Series do it. Sitting on 16 years since winning a playoff series….its TIME to change things up. Yes, Graterol might develop into a stud SP for the Sox. The key word there being “might”. What’s also true is that Maeda may provide the ABSOLUTELY NEEDED depth in our starting rotation. Falvey and Pohlads, for the first time are changing things up to WIN THIS SEASON!!! That is THEIR responsibility to their fan base. No way does this deal ever happen with Terry Ryan in charge. What did his tenure bring us? Nothing, but failure in the playoffs and later on nothing but one after another “dumpster diver” acquisition (ie Ricky Nolasco/ 4yrs/ $48 mill. Maeda has PROVEN success in his career albeit in the comfy confines of Dodger Stadium, Petco and other spacious NL parks. Time for Twins fans to quit b*tching about this move. Maeda will be serviceable not only for 2020, but also has a VERY affordable contract….locked in for next 4 seasons at only $3 mill per year, which is not much more for 4 years than what the Strangers ponied up for 1 season for the services of Kyle Gibson. Chew on that. Lets get real Twins fans. This is exactly the type of veteran SP this club needs to start the year and also one that has PROVEN success in the playoffs.
Moneyballer
Padres WIN BIG!
schwing
Lewis, Kirriloff, Balazovic, Larnoch, Duran, and Marwin Gonzalez for Jacob Degrom Noah Syndergaard and Seth lugo. Make it happen.
Moneyballer
I actually don’t like that from the Twins side of things. You don’t trade your whole farm system like that. No way!
schwing
When you are willing to trade your top pitching prospect BEFORE the season starts, you better be willing to trade away the farm for a title.
Moneyballer
Oh please.
bestno5
It’s happening
Jordan 5
I hate to see Verdugo go but damn. I hope Verdugo back is healthy. If he is healthy Boston got a perfect hitter for Fenway.
Sky14
I like picking up Maeda but giving up Graterol really hurts.
Rallyshirt
Maeda will be crushed in the AL central.
darwin 22
Giving up Graterol really hurts. I agree. However, what hurts more is playing the first 6 weeks with Dobnak, Smeltzer and Thorpe occupying 2/5 of our your starting rotation. I like what each of those 3 bring to the table, but this is NOT how you start a season and expect to be in the top of your division with a tough schedule. Beyond that, acquiring Maeda allows him to slot in as our #3 SP while pushing Bailey to #4. The other 3 can battle things for #5 SP until Pineda returns in mid May. Graterol has a very bright future, but he has injury issues and didn’t pitch more than 100 IP last season. Not the Twins way , I understand, but the “Twins Way”…NEVER, EVER taking a risk to trade away a top prospect for a proven SP with a beyond team-friendly contract, has reaped what benefits since the 2002 season? Answer: ZERO PLAYOFF series wins along with a record 13 (I think) consecutive losses in the playoffs since 2010. Yeah, about ^$% time to change things up.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
So the Dodgers get perhaps the second best offensive player in the majors for one — count them, one — prospect. They essentially flip Maeda for Price. And they keep May, Lux, Gonsolin, Ruiz. Furguson, Stripling, Urias, etc. Joc is a great platoon player, but he’s losing playing time wit the new outfield, and too expensive for a part-timer. So flip him for a younger middle infielder.
Lot’s to like here. Nice job Andrew!
PinstripedPride
LOL and Dodgers fans were hating on Friedman all winter. He’s like Cashman, not making deals for the sake of making deals. He gets as much value as he can for what he has. Respect to the man today, I must say
Bruin1012
This trade looks like a Win-Win- um maybe win trade.
The Dodgers get Mookie for one year and have increased there chances to win it all. They also get David Price who I think can rebound nicely pitching in the NL and Chavez Ravine. Price could be a very big get for the Dodgers.
The Red Sox needed to get under the Lux Tax and it was clear Price was not comfortable in Boston he had to go. Bloom did a great job in getting Verdugo and Graterol in this deal this is more then most people thought they would get. Bloom did a very good job here.
Minnesota gets a solid pitcher for a high upside prospect. I guess they feel their
time is now.
I’m very sad to see Mookie go but it seemed like it was a foregone conclusion for a week now and this should help the Red Sox down the line. This will clear up salary cap space and allow the Red Sox to rebuild for a quick turnaround.
braves4life1
Maybe with Betts heading to the Dodgers, in an effort to keep up, the Braves does what it takes to swing a deal for Bryant.
Jonathan B.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! When have the Braves ever done anything in response to what another team has done?
David Herrick
As a Cubs fan, I wish they would trade Bryant. Get Inciarte, Riley, Muller, and whatever else they can. The Cubs are probably finishing third in the Central with or without Bryant (Cincinnati and St. Louis). Might as well extend their window of contention by trading Bryant!!
Also, the Braves with Bryant, their existing core talent, and all that young pitching would give the Dodgers serious competition for the NL WS berth.
FatChance65
E-Rod and Sale and pray for hail.
Waittillthisyear
The Twins will deeply regret trading Graterol. Never have they had a power pitching talent like him. Not to mention his total composure on the mound.
The Red Sox unload around 60M in salary and wind up a better team. I’d say they won this deal in a landslide.
Mjm117
They traded the 2nd best player in baseball…
Sox aren’t winning this trade.
Dorothy_Mantooth
As a Sox fan, I like the return on paper but I’m concerned with Verdugo’s health. Just read a report that his back/core injury was pretty severe at the end of last season and he has not resumed any baseball activities yet. His goal is to be ready by opening day, but that is not guaranteed at this point in time.
So if the medicals come back with concerning long term injury signs, this deal could be unwound. Same thing on the Dodgers side if they don’t like what they see in Price’s medicals either (he has a ‘unique’ elbow according to doctors). Hopefully all teams will be satisfied with the medical info and this deal goes through, but it will be a tough pill for Boston fans to swallow if Verdugo doesn’t debut until May or June due to his injuries. Fingers crossed! This deal could work out great for all teams involved, but the Sox need a #5 starter now though. Graterol looks to be more of a dominant RP than a starter.
yewed
I remember hearing that Price’s elbow “heals itself”. Apparently Nolan Ryan had the same thing. I have no idea what that means but it’s interesting to think about.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Joc Pederson deal appears to be more of a salary dump for the Dodgers as the return they got for him is awful. By moving Pederson, Dodgers will remain under the tax threshold to start the season…pretty slick by Friedman! Adds Mookie Betts & David Price and keeps the team under the CBT threshold too? That’s why he’s the best in the business!
JoeBrady
I’m fine with this from the RS side. I really wanted Jeter Downs as the heir apparent to Pedey.but it is possible that the RS were comfortable enough with Chavis at 2nd.
Now all we need is to make sure Verdugo is healthy, and that Graterol has enough pitches to stay in the rotation.
AtlSoxFan
I have a hard time picturing graterol, a prior TJ recipient, who only threw 70 IP in 2019 being up for a full time SP slot in 2020.
Maybe he’s an opener, or maybe he ramps up in aaa in 2020. Could even break in as a RP like Sale did in chicago.
I see the sox needing to find a SP to replace price though for this year. Then maybe graterol in 2021
JoeBrady
I was thinking something similar. He had 102 IPs in 2018, so I am not sure why he was down to 70 last year, though I heard he had some other injury. Maybe keep him in the minors for 3 months to control his innings (and service time), and then promote him.
twins33
Shoulder impingement was what it was reported to be. He was shut down for about 3 months or so.
JoeBrady
That sounds right. But he was pitching in September, so it couldn’t have been too bad.
AtlSoxFan
Another thought here. Depending how much money is included with price for sure, and what (if any) moves the sox make, do you get a rusney Castillo call up halfway or so through the year with he’d only have 12 mil left against the cbt?
Arguably he could be a deadline impact addition only costing money within themselves. Consider it a safety net for verdugo not being ready or as advertised if the sox are in it.
TheWay11
I like that line of thinking. Have felt bad for Rusney the past few years, wasting away in Pawtucket.
fishy14
Lol all the twins fans talking about the Sox signing kuechel
Then they went and traded a top 50 prospect for guy with exact same stats
Moneyballer
Factor in that Maeda’s contract is infinitely better than Kuechel and I’d say they did quite well. Twins have vastly improved a team that won 101 games. I give them tons of credit!
baseballisfun
Look at the difference in contract though
mattblaze13
How is this the deal? Alex Verdugo and Brustar Graterol isn’t a prospect package. It was all about money and that’s just plain sad. There was build up for weeks about a nice package of players. And then Peterson to the Angels, why would they do that. They could’ve sent him anywhere else
JoeBrady
Alex Verdugo and Brustar Graterol isn’t a prospect package.
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For all practical purposes, they are prospects, just very advanced ones, but still 11 years of control left.
Sky14
How isn’t it a prospect package? Verdugo was a top prospect and performed well in the majors. Graterol is a 21 year old top pitching prospect that throws 100+ and reached the majors last year. That’s a very solid package.
SeeMyVest
This is absolute wizardry by the Dodgers. While the Red Sox at least got some positive value in the deal, the Dodgers come away with way way more and remain under the tax threshold.
If they can’t resign Betts they’ll be happy enough to get the extra draft pick and turn that kid into an uber-prospect in 3 years.
RockLowDown
Wow Dodgers won this trade and maybe the offseason . Mookie to the dodgers is scary and I’m a giants fan ..great pick up for the dodgers . Bad for the Red Sox on losing Mookie . #nottoohappy
Fuck Me Bitch
Twins fan here. First reaction to trading Graterol: “Oh no!” I’m afraid he’s going to be great, win Cy Youngs, all that.
axisofhonor25
Don’t care what kind of offense they got. With Clayton Kershaw in your rotation Nd or the playoffs, one can guarantee they don’t sniff the World Series.
JustCheckingIn
Your favorite front office would murder someone to have Clayton Kershaw on their roster
AndyMeyer
For the playoffs? Pass
JustCheckingIn
Just eat those narratives right up!
Please, tell me how the cheating Astros and Red Sox roughed him up
Or, go back to 2014 for a team that plays yearly in Oct
I’ll enjoy my first ballot hall of famer making your favorite teams go back to the dugout shaking their head at Kersh, thanks
AndyMeyer
4.33 ERA in October. 9-11
In the deciding 2013 NLCS, he coughed up 7 runs. Game 6 against the Cubs, 5 runs. All huge games where your boy buckled like a belt
No denying Kershaw is a sure fire hall of famer and I’ve got nothing but respect for the guy. One of the greatest pitchers of a generation.
So while you enjoy your “first ballot hall of famer making your favorite teams go back to the dugout shaking their heads at Kersh”, I’ll enjoy my team who actually won a World Series in the past 32 years. Thanks..
fox471 Dave
Special kind of stupid are you not axis?
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Just because Graterol was destined for the bullpen this season doesn’t mean he had no value to the Twins. Remember when we had Anderson and Pressly? And now we give up another potential relief ace…
Should’ve just paid up for Keuchel.
darwin 22
CLKR: I couldn’t disagree more with your comment that the Twins would be bettter off with Keuchel than Maeda. Both are 32 years old. Keuchel is signed the next 3 years at $18 mill per year…a $54 mill investment. Maeda comes to Twins on a $3.125 mill deal per year for the next 4…yes 4 years. Twins investment only is $12.5 million. Simple math shows a $41.5 mill savings for the Twins for 2 pitches with very comprable stats. Do some homework next time.
Moneyballer
The money they saved here can go into another splash next offseason. It was a wonderful deal for the tWINs
jbigz12
Lmao “simple math” you’ve doubled down on your nonsense Darwin! Do your homework!
Rich Hill’s Elbow
First of all, building a consistent winner shouldn’t always be focused on saving money, but perhaps Keuchel wasn’t a very good example so you got me there. However, we were already favored to win the division with the Donaldson signing, so was trading Graterol really even necessary? Why not just sign Taijuan Walker and call it an offseason, and then wait to make a big move at the deadline?
Honestly, I really don’t understand why the FO didn’t just pair Brusdar with an impact bat like Larnach for a legitimate frontline starter instead of just settling for dirt cheap mediocrity??
Look at the numbers all you want, it’s still Kenta Maeda…
Ashtem
I wanted to get an arm from the Dodgers but whatever is done
Slam Diego
Sort of reminds me of when the Nationals lost Harper, then won the World Series the following year.
Yankeepride88
Harper isn’t half the player Betts is and the Red Sox don’t have 3 aces in their rotation.
Simodine
The sox return feels light if they are eating half of prices contract.
To me fair value for price around the 15m mark. Pretty much half his contract.
I mean a team like the Angel’s wouldn’t trade something for price at 3/47m? Seems like in this market he would have surplus value at that price.
Then you are saying verdugo and a prospect for betts. Way less in this deal then the reported verdugo, downs and prospect.
Price at that price wasnt a hindrance if you trade them separately. Think bloom screwed up selling price with betts. Asking a single team to take 43m is tough to get a return.
But 27m
Then a second trade at 16m is a lot easier (more teams can afford)
yewed
I’m sure he tried and I’m sure he took the best deal that was presented to him.
I have to believe trading Price alone was almost impossible. Possibly would have to package him with Benintendi then have had to replace 3 players on the roster.
May not look great for this season but looks a lot better for the next few years than it did a few hours ago.
AtlSoxFan
You have to assume bloom had a handle on who was (and wasnt) interested in just price this offseason.
By waiting so long Bloom also was in kind of a corner, and not one made easier by Henry spouting off at the mouth.
1) few teams had 28m left free to absorb mookie.
2) fewer still had a palatable OF, making a very low salary to max out cbt relief, and years of control remaining.
3) pitchers and catchers nearly due to report. Price already wouldn’t have participated in a new teams preferred offseason program. It’s less desirable if he missed their spring as well.
4) if few teams had payroll left to absorb betts, fewer still had $ for price.
So, what’s better… getting two higher pedigree prospects (yes verdugo ‘graduated’ but hasn’t proven anything yet. Basically still a prospect) or one higher grade prospect and 2 midgrade ones, possibly a 4th throw in?
The gm (and maybe ownership) opted for what they did. If you believe all the pads rumors didn’t draw anyone else from the woodwork you got to choose standing pat, taking poison pill myers with an inferior OF with less upside, and a pair of inferior prospects than graterol, or taking verdugo plus a inferior prospect or two then hoping to find a home for price for another inferior prospect or two.
This was one deal, no bad contracts coming back, resets the tax, leaves boston reportedly 17m below the cbt for 2020.
You want another prospect or piece coming back? They can bring up Castillo mid season if wanting a piece and in contention at zero prospect cost using a portion of that 17m, and spend the rest on rp. Or, go crazy signing depth piece reclamation like peraza and perez. Next offseason you’re looking at upwards of 60m if jdm opts out to play the FA market.
The Human Rain Delay
Totally agree
Have no clue why they didnt try and trade Price with 50 mill for prospects in 1 deal to a team like LAA or Twins themselves then
Mookie solo in another-
Seems they would have gotten a bigger get that way
I mean at min they should have least got the prospect haul back from Joc albeit minimal-
Dodgers played this right, they were i the driver seat all along and didnt cave inn- It prolly helped immensly that they told the Sox all along they would take both at once in the beginning
JustCheckingIn
Think the big decider was the lack of a Wil Myers type contract required to come back too
They would be Refusing to pay Mookie 27M so they could pay the mediocre Wil Myers 21M? Just made no sense
JustCheckingIn
With Boston paying 50M, he’s now on a 3/46 deal
Rich Hill pitched 40 innings for LA and was playing on a 3/48 deal
Turning the Hill money into Price is genius
The Human Rain Delay
Yup especially when you consider it got them on a discount on Mookie as well-
I cant belive we only traded Verdugo and some fungible guys like Joc Maeda and got Mookie and 3 years of Price at 16 per- Just amazing
This is the power of money though and it was a perfect time to flex it –
martras
Twins fans have been reading way too many of the rose colored articles from Twins fan sites desperate to paint the most positive picture they can. Graterol is overrated. Right now, as he is, his ceiling is closer. He cannot start with 2 legitimate pitches, and he can’t start for a full season due to his innings limit. In fact, I doubt Graterol could put in a full season of starting without hitting an innings limit until 2022, and that assumes his changeup actually develops so he could be a legitimate starter in the first place.
With just 9 games started above A+ ball, Twins sites have already Christened this guy the next coming of Tim Lincecum when he’s just as likely to be the next coming of Jim Hoey.
Moneyballer
But I liked Jim Hoey!
AtlSoxFan
He’s also very very young.
Unfortunately, he also has already had TJ.
Ideally he would open next year at AA and move midyear to AAA. Then 2021 ramp up a full season in AAA working that 3rd pitch. Early ETA 2022.
If his promise held, with some luck both groome and graterol would be a new wave of affordable SP.
Getting from now to then is a different story. Maybe bloom has an idea on something to plug into the rotation of he could free up a little cash.
Want to get really REALLY crazy? Go back to Preller and say you’ll take all of myers salary along with 2 mlb ready starters for 2 of boston’s unranked lottery pick prospects. 13.8 aav on myers, 22m overall, fits 4m under the new reported cap.
Moneyballer
The Padres are trying to win-now they would have no interest (other than shedding myers) to trade mlb ready pitchers. That wouldn’t happen!
PEDs
Looks like a win for every team , but the biggest risk is on Dodgers… If they don’t win the WS this year and Mookie walks in FA then they lose big time!
Meada to the Twins gives them a solid staff with that power house line up!
Red Sox land some good young talent and free up boat loads of money!!
Dodgers have a scary looking offense this year with Mookie …win-win-win
And I’m not a fan of any of the teams, good trade tho
Dont get trading away Joc tho….
JustCheckingIn
It’s simple math
Betts and Cody are full time, 650-700 PA a year guys
So Joc, Pollock, CT3, Kike and others were supposed to get all their at bats in left? Joc+Pollock alone were at 900 abs last year combined, and that was with pollock missing time
Add on Joc in a 1 year has more value than Pollock on a 4 year deal, not much left
Dutch Vander Linde
Dodgers #1 fan ESPN are jumping in celebration right now. I won’t be surprised if they was pushing for it to happen.
miltpappas
Young flame-throwing righty means TJ surgery by 2022.
diller1340
He’s already had TJ once
Dutch Vander Linde
If it’s the shoulder then he’s gonna get the elbow next
Goose
This deal puts the Dodgers all in this year. It is still a worthy risk if the Dodgers don’t win the title and Betts walks. It would be Verdugo for a one year rental and an ok Price at 15+ million per.
Price hasn’t pitched 200 innings in 3 years which is why no one wanted that contract.
People are missing out on that key fact. You have Betts, who turned down 10 and $300, so he wasn’t going to sign. You have Price with a contract he isn’t worth and health issues have been popping up. Add it to his toxic personality with a young Sox team and it was addition by subtraction figuratively and literally on the cap.
T-Dawg
Now with the Sox under the luxury tax, they can call up Rusney Castillo! Ha ha ha….
its_happening
Can he hit lefties? Because JBJ can’t.
Tazbk
Mookie should play center. Belli in RF.
its_happening
Twins are losers in this deal.
Boston did what they had to do. Dodgers are the NL favorites and if they don’t reach the World Series they have to get rid of Roberts.
Les Chesterfield
Huh?? Twins are all in and struck out on several pitchers. This is a clear upgrade and the best move they made all offseason
ramon garciaparra
It is too simplistic to look at this as a trade of betts and Price for a couple of prospects. The financial savings and the cap reset will also allow the Red Sox to sign benentendi and Eduardo Rodriguez who otherwise would have likely been cap casualties themselves.
Cooperdooper7
Ramon Garciaparra……Exactly why this was deal that had to be made. And don’t forget that this also sets up being able to Sign Devers too.
BuckarooBanzai
Kinda disappointed after reading nearly 600 comments and not finding any “buying a championship” or “evil empire” references.
c’mon folks
do better
be better
Valkyrie
I can certainly understand how the Sox fans are rationalizing the loss of the face and the heart of their franchise for an unproven prospect. Let’s see how excited they are about their Sweet Lemons when they finish 4th or even 5th in AL East this season.
JoeBrady
LOL! You must be truly psychotic to think that finishing 5th has even a 1% chance of happening.
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
There is no way that the Red Sox finish worse than the Orioles. Ridiculous comment.
ray win
With Betts, the Sox were at best the 3rd best team in the A L after Yankees and Astros. Maybe even behind Twins, A’s, and Rays. I still believe Betts is not significantly better than a number of young stars, and is not worth Trout money. Any team that will pay him more than 10/ $300,000,000 is being foolish.
Foreveryankees
Sox will regret this one! Second best player in the game!!
paul dolan
Are you high
Rsox
Maybe in the short term, long term Mookie already had one foot out the door anyway. He’s been counting the days till his free agency for the past few seasons and between that and the whole Alex Cora situation the Sox have eliminated two very big distractions heading to spring training and the coming season.
paul dolan
I’m a cheapskate
dimelotitony
For the Dodgers it is a trade that could be the missing piece to get them that Trophy but at a high cost in losing Maeda whom filled various roles for them they are banking on Kershaw and Price to be healthy. Giving up on Alex Verdugo will cost 5 years control of him but the window is closing on the Dodgers and its a trade you had to do even if its to have Betts for one year it is a deal you felt will bring you that elusive championship.
NOw on the Red Sox end it is pretty simple even with Betts on board the distraction of his pending free agency plus in turn the penalty they are awaiting as well for cheating and other ballclubs improved Boston saw the writing on the wall and rather than risk having Betts get hurt and get nothing for him they did well in getting rid of a Headache in Price and a player that simply was adament on testing Free Agency and going for that $350 million price range.
For the Twins they are getting a pitcher Maeda that they will slot in the rotation and gave up a guy that is a flamethrower off of Tommy John but with shoulder questions on top of that is taking a flier and hoping he pans out.
Now next up Colorado and Chicago Cubs stick with your third basemans or make a splashy trade yourselves to help the club going towards the future.
BigFred
What “window is closing on the Dodgers”? Seems like half of their roster is up and coming solid players, with more waiting in the minors for their opportunity.
dimelotitony
Kershaw is getting older, Price will be up there as well, No Ryu and now Maeda plus other teams in the N.L. are getting better and eventually will overtake the Dodgers rein of representing the NL with the exception of last year. Not to mention Turner getting older plus no Pederson, Verdugo the window is now if you think otherwise you will be sadly disappointed,
vivalosdoyers
Funny how you forgot to mention Buehler, Bellinger, Lux, Smith, Ruiz, May, Gonsolin, Downs, Gray, etc. Dodgers have a ton of young players that will keep them competitive for years to come.
dimelotitony
Again this move was done to win now as the pressure mounts for the Dodgers to win with this group now. With the exception of Buehler and Bellinger the rest have to prove their mettle why else would you give up on Joc,Maeda,Verdugo all cost controllable for Price & Mookie that is a one year rental if you are setting up for the future?
The answer is simple to try and win while Kershaw is still elite and able to still get production from Turner and others that are getting up there.
Ask the Cubs had fast their window closed, how about the Royals even Boston these kind of deals is made for now not for the future.
Cooperdooper7
The Red Sox did the right thing in trading Betts and getting rid of Price is Huge. I am just not excited about the return….. I still think they should have got 1 more Pitcher in the deal,,, although Graterol may be their Closer in a year or two. And for those who keep saying, the Red Sox are punting on 2020…. they are clueless… This is still a VERY good team that can compete for the playoffs this year. As far as resigning Betts when he does test Free Agency next winter…. they need to pass on that. The team that offers him 10 years is freaking stupid… I don’t care what the money is… its just stupid.
Hard to walk with four balls
For a one year rental and a washed up aging lefty?
Seems like they got plenty.
rocky7
Stupid is as stupid does…..don’t be toto greedy in the return for what only can be characterized as an obvious move for months…..and to say they are a very good team…well true but for them to challenge for the playoffs, everyone on that team needs to have a career year offensively and defensively, which while possible is probably improbably with that rotation and bullpen. In the competitive East, they are competing against and looking up at both the Rays and Yankees for a playoff nod, in the Central with the Twins and Indians, and in the West where the Astros, and A’ await…..that’s 3 very tough divisions all with potential Wild Cards winners coming out.
You never know, but they got the best they could while achieving their primary goal of reducing their payroll and getting a good return for one of the best in the game but what might be a 1 year rental and a fading, overpaid pitcher!
Les Chesterfield
Red Sox literally shifted the trade market with this trade. Returns have been terrible for quality mlb players already getting paid. They got more back in any trade since the Chapman trade. Fantastic work by the best ran franchise in baseball (Boston).
Ungrateful fans……smh.
JoeBrady
I’m okay with the return. One year of almost any player has limited value. Unlike a lot of other hard-throwing prospects, where you flip a coin between the BP and rotation, I think Graterol is closer to the rotation than a guy like Darwizon. And,if Graterol is destined for the BP, I think his ceiling is an ace closer. And, as always, there is the injury concern.
What I like about Verdugo is that he can play CF. I’m wondering if this opens us up for a JBJ trade for a better-hitting RF? I still think we have common ground with the NYMs, and maybe the Reds.
But, at the end, I think of this as Betts & Price for Verdugo & ~ $43M.. If we weren’t under cap constraints, that $43M could conceivably mean someone like Cole. Seen from that perspective, this is a really good trade for us.
Iknowmorebaseball
Dodgers got suckered into trading for a pitcher with ERA’s of 3.58 in 2018 and 4.28 in 2019, throw in, health issues, guaranteed 96 mil and along with the fact that Price will celebrate his 35th birthday this season. Strange how the Dodger’s went from cautious to reckless. They get a one year “rent-a-player” stud, along with a 96 million has been pitcher and then you ship out Maeda along with controllable low cost players like Peterson and Verdugo. I don’t see how the Dodgers got way better as a team. On paper they look like the 2021 up and coming world champions but what happens if Price becomes a burden who makes 30+ mil a year for the next three years and then Betts signs some where else in 2021?
fox471 Dave
Let’s see how much money from Sox is coming West for Price before we start talking about the Dodgers being “suckered.”
goldenmisfit
Everyone knows when you go from the American League to the National League your earned run average dips about one run per nine. So you can take that 3.58 down to 2.58 and that 4.29 down to 3.29. This is a good deal for both sides and makes the Dodgers the odds on favorite to win the National League. Unless something out of the ordinary happens it appears we are finally going to see a Yankees versus Dodgers World Series which we would have seen in 2017 and 2018 if not for the cheating Astros and Red Sox
Iknowmorebaseball
Lol, it would be a great point even if with your exaggerated numbers but stop to realize the DH is coming very soon and Price will be a Dodger for 3 years
Phiilies2020
M. Betts CF
C. Bellinger RF
J. Turner 3B
M. Muncy 1B
A. Pollock LF
C. Seager SS
W. Smith C
G. Lux 2B
Scary.
Moneyballer
Smith may be Ruiz by mid-year! Ruiz is the better player.
Hard to walk with four balls
The Dodgers are morons, they should have traded Alex Verdugo to Detroit when the Tigers were looking to move Verlander. I’m not certain that the Dodgers could still have beat the cheating Astros but it would have been harder.
jmi1950
The LAD’s would have been playing the NYY if Cashman had just put in a blocking claim and offered DET nada for JV.
Moneyballer
So the 2020 Twins starters are now:
Jose Berrios
Jake Odorizzi
Kenta Maeda
Michael Pineda
Homer Bailey
Rich Hill
Devin Smeltzer + Dobnak…Prospects etc.
That’s a staff that will keep you in a lot of ball games and with arguably the best top to bottom pure hitting power lineup in all of baseball… Twins look like a pure powerhouse ball club heading into the new season! Improving a 100 win baseball team is no easy task (if it’s not broken, don’t fix it) but I think they’ve accomplished that! Should be such a fun team to watch!
madmc44
So they are now below the threshold of $208 M. –Many Questions to answer…
How do they stay there and still be competitive?
Is Verdugo physically able to perform a rigorous season?
It appears the Sox have some moves to make:
—Who will be moved before Opening Day? Eovaldi?Bene? Barnes?
—Are Chavis and Dalbec really ready for Primetime?
So now the Dodgers have all of their young corps available to trade for Lindor…and the Sox pay 1/2 of Price’s Salary for 3 years-wahoo–I was expecting maybe 1/3 not 1/2…
So does Fan Favorite Holt get signed?
Will Graeterol be in the pen opening day?
It will be a fun day in Boston analyzing the trade…Sox headlines— instead of Pat’s and possible Trade speculation about the C’s making a Trade for a Big Man.
Rsox
I can see the Red Sox signing Puig to a 1 year contract as they currently have no right handed hitting Outfielders except JD Martinez, and likely bring in a couple of starters to spring training ( Taijuan Walker?, Clay Buchholz?, Jeremy Hellickson, Ervin Santana?) to try to fill the hole in the rotation left by trading Price.
JoeBrady
I was thinking the same thing. Trade JBJ for a prospect, sign Puig, and give Verdugo CF.
hitman32
Walker….ok, but the rest!?! I would rather them go in a more youthful direction & sign Pedro Avila (23) SP/RP or Aaron Sanchez (27) SP for current pitching needs. But my 2 cents is on them probably using either Velazquez or Weber in the 5th rotation spot.
Verdugo needs to stay healthy….I don’t think we need a “problem child” like Puig in the clubhouse, if wanting to sign a RF then get Domingo Santana. I personally think the need is for a utility guy like possibly Addison Russell or myself as a BoSox fan I would really like to see Brock Holt back in a BoSox uniform!
angt222
Happy to see a deal finally go through after months of rumors. Still curious if LAD and BOS would have Made a deal if MIN wasn’t involved. Also, curious if SD was ever considered to be a part of the deal with LAD and BOS.
AL34
Traded Mookie Betts for two injured players one with back and oblique injuries and a pitcher with arm and weight problems. Going to be a long year in Boston this year. With Price gone who is going to pitch ? Hey wait maybe some of the garbage Bloom picked up in the off-season.
lautrec 2
My favorite line in this article is “whether the Dodgers moved Maeda to the bullpen to manipulate his contract incentives will never be known”. That there is some quality writing. I can get into to that. How about, “we don’t for sure if Joe is beating his wife.” I realize this is a non professional blog site, and I do appreciate most of the rumors and guesswork, but come on, why not just say it? It’s not like you will be fact checked. Lol
LosPobres1904
Red Sox will resign Betts next year
Deleted Userrr
They will have to make a competitive offer but if this link is any indication there is no reason to believe that the Sox can’t pull that off.
barstoolsports.com/blog/1802219/mookie-betts-tells…
TwinCities
I don’t know a lot about Maeda, but does anyone feel that the Twins gave up too good a prispecr for him? I like that they went and got a starter, but it seems like Graterol has a chance to be really good really soon.
Dodger Dogg
I think the Twins thinking is “Win now”. Maeda is a proven pitcher that the management doesn’t have to wait for until he develops. Twins should be good again this year for sure.
Dodgerblog
Hurry up. It’s like waiting for Augustus Gloop to get shot up the tube to the fudge room. Get it done already