Ongoing elbow questions have clouded the outlook of Angels righty Griffin Canning. The team isn’t quite ready to announce a decision on a course of action, as Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register reports on Twitter.
Canning was previously said to be slated for testing today. Now, he’s scheduled for a second opinion — though there’s still no public knowledge (quite understandably) regarding the initial examination.
The 23-year-old hurler emerged as a key part of the Halos’ rotation plans last year. But he also ended the season on the injured list owing to elbow troubles and has dealt with other issues in the joint in the past.
The Angels rotation remains a point of focus after a trying 2019 campaign. Even if Canning avoids a significant stay on the injury list, it now seems he’ll join Shohei Ohtani on the injured list to open the 2020 season.
hope it’s something some rest or prp would take care of!
Maybe him & Sale can go together and get a group discount.
Shohei Ohtani isn’t slated to open the year on the injured list….. get your info right
Not as a hitter he isn’t, but he certainly is on the shelf as a pitcher.
As a pitcher he is injured and will be on a rehab assignment before he’s ready.
Get your info right
He’s really not injured as a pitcher. But he will not start the year in the rotation.
They Angels plan on getting around 100 big league innings from Ohtani. They would rather have him available in September than April.
In yesterday’s game they said they are shooting for 24-25 starts from Ohtani as well as 450-500 AB.
They are shooting for 150 innings for Ohtani, that’s optimistic.
Since he’s pitching once a week. I would also find such a prediction highly unlikely.
That’s pretty aggressive given that he’s one season removed from Tommy John.
Him and Sale can circle jerk together until they get surgery in mid-July
No they can’t, their elbows hurt.
They both have second elbows. They can still do The Stranger
Ok, that was a good one
Too many guys blowing out elbows during Spring Training and the off season. Seems pretty dumb and worthless to me. Why would someone even get close to that point playing whiffleball or doing anything that isn’t getting meaningful outs?
How else are they supposed to prepare for the regular season? There isn’t a pitcher alive who can spend months not throwing a baseball and magically be able to locate a slider or 97MPH fastball without building up to it and not get hurt. Nothing about pitching is normal for the human arm, regardless of whether or not the game means anything.
Stripling would’ve been a solid in this rotation…
Stripling would have been awesome.
However we can’t ignore there wasn’t a spot for Pederson and we have no idea what else the Angels would have given up.
Mighty confident the recently DFA’d Goodwin isn’t a one hit wonder
Or don’t forget Mr. 34% K rate in AAA! Guaranteed to take
Let’s be real. Joc would have been the3rd or 4th best hitter next year on LAA. Moreno screwed the pooch
Joc would have been a better fourth outfielder.
I’m sure Joc would have been happy sitting on the bench and I’m sure Moreno would have been happy giving up 7.5 million and players so Joc could sit on the bench.
Stripling has never been able to go past 5 innings and spends time on the IL every season. That is why he is a swingman.
… which is solid for the Angels
Stripling would be the angels ace until Ohtani proves healthy, then their #2…
Don’t sell him short because LAD keeps him as their emergency starter+swing man on the roster. His numbers are very good
If you’re going for the Rays approach.
The way that everybody talks up Stripling
you think he’s the next Gerrit Cole
Ross In his career he’s never gone more than 120 innings in a single season. losing career record doesn’t pitch deep in games
These pictures are a dime a dozen
No one is saying Stripling is Gerrit Cole. If he was, he would be in the Dodgers rotation. He has had an ERA+ of 128 and 119 the past two seasons, which means he is well above average. Teheran is only signed for 1 year. Both Canning and Heaney have a problems staying healthy. Stripling is a low cost option with 3 years of control. The Angels still need a top of the rotation arm, but adding a guy like Stripling would also be beneficial.
This. People need to grade on a curve when discussing the Angels rotation right now. Their only pitcher to break 100 IP last year was Cahill.
There is no tear but he needs a second opinion?
They shut him down eight months ago and he’s still not healthy? That second opinion is 8 months too late. This team also delayed TJ on Richards for a year.
Is there anyone who doesn’t question what this team is doing? This ticks me off.
How would you propose the team to handle it? Boston is is mirroring it with Sale.
Honk, they do mirror each other. However, Canning now loses a year of service time. Sale is under contract.
Had they diagnosed him last Aug, perhaps they could have taken corrective measures. I highly doubt this is going to heal on itself.
There were also a number of starters they could have brought in without breaking the bank.
Eight months? They either wasted an entire season or a significant part of this year.
Canning loses no service time. He is on the active roster so whether he spends the year on the IL or in the rotation, he still gets service time.
Outinleftfield.
I don’t know why this was hard to fathom.
Lets use Richards as an example. If Richards would have gotten TJ Surgery in 2016, as he should have. We would have gotten more than 100 innings out of him in 2017 and 2018.
If TJ surgery is needed, we wasted Canning’s service time.
though, a team cannot force a player to take t.j.if he chooses other means of recovery.
Vizion, you are 100% correct. But the Angels and their players seem to waste a lot of time putting off the inevitable.
It’s all up to the pitcher.
@Halo Agreed, I don’t know why you are fighting this story so hard.
It was already announced that the MRI showed “Chronic wear” (which is normal), but no tears otherwise.
If Canning is seeking a second opinion—and I doubt anybody would begrudge him a chance to seek a second opinion—it is possible he is looking to see if Dr #2 advises Canning DOES have surgery, not avoid surgery.
You seem to be desperate to assign blame and invent villains to the story. It is way more simple than that: Mid-20s pitcher, after most of his life spent playing Little League, travel ball, HS and College sports as a pitcher, is finding his elbow isn’t happy. Canning is far from the first pitcher to fit this profile, and he surely won’t be the last. There will be plenty more like him on ALL teams until a.next generation of young arms which were better cared for than his.
GeoKaplan
Surgery was put off for Richards. Surgery was put off for Ohtani… I guess the third time is the charm.
At some point someone has to second guess what is going on.
It’s up to the player. That simple.
Halo—How hard is it for you to understand the team doesn’t schedule surgeries or instruct the player what he must do?
They’re players, not slaves.
In the case of Richards, the doctor said the percentage of a positive outcome to PRP is x% and requires 3-6 months of incapacitation, and UCL replacement has a positive outcome of y% and requires 12-18 months of incapacitation.
The player chooses. The team doesn’t tell him what to do. Richards gambled that he could spend less time on the IL doing PRP treatment. As we know, that wasn’t successful. But pretending that the team told hm what to do or to opt for something other than surgery is incredibly foolish—especially when the players are unionized.
There is no weakness in admitting you really don’t understand the subject being discussed and simply sitting on the sidelines to learn. Broadcasting how much you don’t know is a horrible look.
Or, it came back inconclusive as well and he knows something is off and he is seeing if another doc can give clarity.
They probably didn’t like Dr John Andrews
Opinion of Tommy John surgery off to Dr Frank Jobe for the same opinion.
I don’t think Dr. Frank Jobe is practicing orthopedic medicine anymore. He died almost 6 years ago.
That would make sense.
facts are unnecessary nuisances for trolls!
Probably Dr. ElAttache like Chris Sale.
Jeez it would really suck if he had to get TJ, so much promise as a prospect just to be hit in the face by injuries. The silver lining is that Mickey Callaway will have more pitchers to help in that rotation.
This doesn’t bode well. Maddon said it doesn’t look likely that Canning will not begin the season on the DL. Canning getting a 2nd opinion. I know little has been released at this point, but I don’t see this ending up being something minor.
Unfortunately I don’t believe Canning won’t be in the rotation this year Gives an opportunity for one of the youngsters
2nd opinion means the 1st opinion said it’s very bad.
2nd opinion means 1st was inconclusive
Just get the TJ already. The UCL is likely damaged, and prp or waiting will just postpone the surgery.
There was no evidence of a tear
you must have seen his mri results!“
Literally says it the last story Viz.
From whats being reported it sure fees like a pitcher who knows he isnt right, but no one can tell him why, NOT one who is hurt and trying to get more info.
bk, no one knows, but what we do know is this. If surgery is needed, then 7 months were wasted.
Surgery should be the last option. Where’s former pitcher Mike Marshall?? He has a degree in this sort of thing. He could benefit alot of these pitchwrs.
There isn’t a tear but this might be like the whole Astros, Mark Appel issue. The UCL is abnormal. In Appel’s case it was slightly smaller which led the Astros to believe TJ was inevitable History proved them right. It sounds like the joint or forearm has a physical abnormality that might be putting stress on the UCL. If it isn’t damaged it might still lead to surgery to adjust the abnormality.
Can anyone ever remember a second opinion providing good news?
I can’t.
A second opinion which confirms a prior positive diagnosis? Happens all the time with cancer patients. You find another doctor who will confirm the positive results given previously, for your own peace of mind.
But hey, you keep being grumbly, big guy.
So you GeoKaplan, you can’t remember one either.
Keep insulting me, if it makes you feel better.
Aside from the four folks in my immediate family who had cancer?
No, I can’t think of anyone.
“Grumbly” is insulting? Someone is awfully sensitive…
CANCER? We are talking about a pitching elbow. Can you remember one time when a second opinion turned out well… I can’t.
The delay on Richards and Ohtani hurt the Angels. And if Skaggs needs surgery, that will be thrice. Ohtani hurt his arm 21 months ago.
How many times does it have to happen before you question the process? Three times works for me.
Will you ever question the process?
Questioning the process is grumbling?
Halo—This is really unfortunate, because you seem to be looking for things to be outraged over.
Canning had an MRI which did *not* find evidence of a sprain or tear on the UCL. I don’t know what kind of doctors you visit, but no good surgeon recommends surgery when there isn’t a reason for surgical intervention.
Still, Canning doesn’t feel quite right. He is seeking a second opinion to validate the positive outcome from his MRI. This happens all the damn time. You challenged me for examples, then when I mentioned I have family members who have sought second opinions on *positive* diagnoses—you disregarded that as well. It is perfectly understandable that Canning wants to protect his professional and financial future by making sure the positive news he received is validated.
Richards opted for a non-surgical approach, on the guidance of the orthopedic specialists he consulted. The team has zero to say about this. It is 100% the choice of the athlete. There is this thing called MLBPA, which has union reps to prevent an athlete being abused by the teams.
Ohtani waited until after the end of the 2018 season because it didn’t impact his return to pitching. He wouldn’t have been back on the mound a day sooner had he had his surgery in July instead of September. Again, it was his choice. The team has no say in a matter of medical health.
I don’t think you have any understanding of the “process” you’re questioning. Each of these three cases you’re complaining about have different facts involved. The only similarity is that an elbow is involved in each.
Looking for things does not equate to ignoring things.
I based my concerns on past history, I showed why I’m concerned. Anyone in their right mind would question what is going on.
I have no idea what the MRI said. However, I can’t remember a second opinion on a pitchers arm getting better news than the first opinion. The best of the best gave the first opinion.
I doubt when you see a doctor, you see the best of the best.
Dodgers have 8 or 9 starters. Trade for one. Rengifo for Stripling maybe. Dodgers might throw in Joc to get under lux tax.
even without those 2 dodgers are way over the threshold.
If we can’t get a Ace Starting pitcher in a trade for
A package deal for Rengifo And some minor leaguers
No sense making a trade for
Ross stripling A dime a dozen picture isn’t the answer
Ross striplings FIP last year was identical to Jack Flaherty
You can keep underselling the trade by forgetting there were 2 unannounced guys going to LAD, or Ross because LAD is deeper than the angels ever could be, but you look like a joke
Ross stripling doesn’t excite me i’d rather the Angels save those trading Chips for something closer to an ace starting pitcher And if that means waiting till July deadline so be it. Pitcher like Stripling are a diamond dozen
You must be a used car salesman?
Angels have enough maybe’s in their rotation.
I like what I see from Bundy and Julio Teheran Maybe Heaney will have a breakout year We got Barria and Sandoval Hopefully we score more runs then we give up
Adell for MacKenzie Gore?
If anything this speaks more to there’s not a tear in the UCL but other changes,
One possibility is his cartilage in the elbow is lesser than should be, and causing bone on bone contact. Could be an explanation for “chronic changes” not a tear
Dude are you nuts you’re comparing Ross Stripling to Jack Flaherty
G W-L ERA IP. SO WHIP
33 11-8 2.75 196. 231 0.97
Ross Stripling never thrown more than 120 innings
Jack Flaherty More than then a top of the line pitcher