Following injuries to Luis Severino and James Paxton, the Yankees have reached out to the Mets to inquire on the availability of left-hander Steven Matz, per Ken Davidoff and Mike Puma of the New York Post. SNY’s Andy Martino tweets that while there’s been contact between the two teams, however, a deal is quite unlikely.
The 28-year-old Matz has started 30 games in each of the past two seasons, pitching to a combined 4.09 ERA with 8.7 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, 1.49 HR/9 and a 48 percent ground-ball rate in 314 1/3 frames. The Mets control him through the 2021 season as an arbitration-eligible player.
A deal between the two sides coming together would indeed face numerous obstacles. The Yankees and Mets generally don’t trade with one another, and the Mets themselves have some question marks among their starting staff. Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Marcus Stroman and Rick Porcello are locks at this point, and there’s been talk of taking a less-conventional approach to the fifth spot, using both Matz and Michael Wacha in nontraditional capacities. After that, the 40-man roster contains Stephen Gonsalves, Walker Lockett, Corey Oswalt and Franklyn Kilome, while veteran righty Erasmo Ramirez is in camp on a non-roster deal. Wacha and Porcello are already in need of their own rebounds, and a trade of Matz followed by an injury elsewhere on the starting staff would leave the Mets with a good bit of uncertainty.
From a financial vantage point, Matz’s $5MM salary for the 2020 season would cost the Yankees more than it appears at first glance. After adding Gerrit Cole to the mix and giving out arbitration raises to the likes of Paxton, Aaron Judge, Gary Sanchez, Gio Urshela, Tommy Kahnle and others, the Yankees find themselves more than $50MM north of the luxury barrier. Because they’re more than $40MM above that $208MM line and would be in luxury-tax territory for a second straight season, the Yankees would owe a 75 percent tax on any additional dollars added to the payroll. In effect, Matz would cost them $8.75MM. It’s not a backbreaking difference, but it’d certainly impact the manner in which the club determines Matz’s value and what he should cost in a theoretical trade.
Perhaps the biggest roadblock, though, is the simple fact that the Mets would covet MLB talent in return for Matz, according to the Post’s reporting. Puma and Davidoff suggest that Miguel Andujar would “likely” intrigue the Mets but that the Yankees wouldn’t be keen on such a swap.
Not long after Severino’s injury was announced, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman downplayed the possibility of making a move. “The winter marketplace this time of year, it doesn’t exist,” he said when asked about the possibility of going outside the organization for help. That’s not a declaration that he wouldn’t make any type of effort, but as the previously laid-out obstacles illustrate, making a deal this time of year (particularly in the case of these two teams) can be problematic.
The Yankees have surely asked about other starters — they’ve also scouted free agent Henderson Alvarez — but inquiring and acquiring are two very different things. There’s still a bit more than three weeks to try to pull something together before Opening Day, but it’s difficult to envision a Matz swap coming to fruition.
“they would never trade with each other comments” in 3…2…
“Or the Clint Frazier ought to do it” Comments
Frazier and Andujar.
Dont forget Florial !!!!!!
or the “They don’t need him only thing left to do is print world series tickets” comments.
Mets would do it but they are sure to make it hurt. I don’t agree that the Mets would need major league talent. I see them asking for Estevan Florial back.
Why would the Mets trade matz who is helping the team win now for floriel and Frazier. If none help them win rn. They wouldn’t play on our team and Mets are trying to win this year. Matz helps that..
Mets can try all the want they arent going to even be 2nd in their division. Maybe they can be 3rd if the Phillies do terribly, but i doubt it.
You mean like last season when they finished ahead of the Phillies by 5 games?
It’s hard to be any good when you don’t develop any of your own talent. And if there is one thing that Klentak’s FO/coaching staff have excelled at—it’s been not developing talent. Average team with a ton of holes and a bloated payroll. I look forward to their next rebuild that’ll start in 2-3 years once they realize this one was a massive failure.
This could be true, they should have spent more aggressively this offseason if they were serious about competing via all these big additions. That said they are good enough to compete for division with what they have. It’s baseball, it’s all about how things break.
Anyone who looks at the nl east and pretends they know what order the top 4 teams will finish in is a liar or a fool.
Amen Hector!
Because the Met’s need help. Do you expect everyone to duplicate Rookie year? If so disappointment ahead.
Disappointment is a Mets fan’s birthright. It’s a guarantee like death and taxes.
Mets probably have the best pitcher in baseball and it doesn’t even matter in the end. Kind of like Trout and the Angels.
Makes no sense to trade Matz with Wacha being bad and injury prone and little starting pitching depth
Honestly, I always thought Matz was destined to change his pinstripes eventually. He reminds me of Andy Pettitte and that’s the kind of arm that would fit well in the Yankees’ rotation. Just the cost of getting that would be prohibitive.
I don’t think Matz is a cheater so he wouldn’t fit in like Andy and his roids
Lol or as good as Andy Pettitte in any way
Andy did his roids in Houston. Clemens talked him into going to Houston. Then he talked him into doing roids. He regretted and admitted it instantly.
Sure, it’s not like any Yankee ever juiced, that would be unthinkable
He only regrets that he got caught.
whynot
The point having been lost, whynot moves the goalpost. Intellectual dishonesty for the dishonest.
ReverieDays
If you knew Andy you wouldn’t say that. You obviously don’t or you don’t care because you just want to make the point, honestly or not.
How well do you know Andy to state such a thing?
Did I make an dishonest statement? Have the Yankees not employed known and suspected steroids users? Is it not plausible that an admitted cheater would have cheated while being with the Yankees? None of those statements are dishonest my good sir.
Whatever team you root for most certainly had someone taking something. Get down from your soapbox.
That may be true, but Pettitte is an admitted cheater. To wonder whether his cheating extended to his time with the Yankees is a legitimate question
SF/OAK don’t trade with each other just like NY teams which is so boring. They’re not even in the same leagues which is worse. God forbid a neighboring community has success! American business at its core.
…. lol
What
“American business at its core”??? What does that mean? Another self-loather…I will never understand it.
business tactics used by greedy owners who don’t allow transactions between neighboring communities, it’s actually pretty simple
So like Microsoft won’t allow Brooklyn and The Bronx to compete against each other? You might want to explain that a little better.
perfect example is how the owners in Ohio work together. They pull off transactions all the time that benefit both cities of Cincinnati and Cleveland
Your logic and ideas of “examples,” seem quite nebulous.
SF/OAK and NYC lack of transactions were “examples” of the faulty business practices. Ohio was “example” of contrast. Would like to see more cities in the same state do business together for better community involvement and better on field results. Logical enough?
God forbid a neighboring community has success! American business at its core.
They pull off transactions all the time that benefit both cities of Cincinnati and Cleveland
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So you are saying that they allow neighboring transactions and that they don’t allow neighboring transactions? And which one is American business to the core?
Dude what are you talking about
FWIW, the concern is more about bad publicity. We traded Betts to LA and mostly couldn’t care less how successful LA is. If we traded Betts to the NYY, and they won, the Boston press would write virtually nothing except that for eternity.
That’s exactly what I’m saying.. American business to the core is very greedy if you aren’t aware, so in that case I was referring to the clubs that don’t allow such transactions. Obviously some owners have a more progressive mindset
American business to the core is very greedy if you aren’t aware,
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No such thing. A business has no feelings. Their moral code consists of the law and the stockholders. As long as they obey the law, and maximize long term stockholder value, they have no further requirements.
Yep anyone who says otherwise never ran a business and doesn’t understand how easy they have it recieving checks for slacking
The A’s and Giants completed a trade 2 weeks ago. Granted, it was the first time since 2004 but their issues have historically been about territory rights and new stadiums.
If the Yankees offered Dominguez, Garcia and Judge for Matz, Wilpon would still say no lol
Too much salary for the Wilpon’s to take on.
When did Wilpon become GM
You don’t think Wilpon weighs in on deals of that magnitude?
A couple years ago it came out that he was so focused on not trading with the yankees that he missed out on trade opportunities
No im 100% sure he hires a GM to assess talent
Which trades?
BVW, either by luck or good decision making or a little of both, has set the Mets up with an abundance of strong pitching for 2020. There’s experience and competition between the back-end guys, Porcello is fighting to get his numbers back in order, Stroman is in a contract year, Thor is ….well Thor and deGrom is …of course on top of his game The Mets pitching staff is looking to be very good…..Yankees…mmm not so much.
I agree with your the sentiment of your post, but I do have a question
“Thor is ….well Thor”
Who exactly is Thor? A lot of fans still view him as ace material, but is he? He hasn’t really shown that. In fact, last year he was the Mets third best pitcher. You could make a case that he will be that again. He’s really tough to judge. Will he ever be back to ace material again?
Either way…the Mets are looking good from a pitching perspective. You can’t argue that.
Before last season, he was a good #2 guy.
If he can go back to being that, I will be very happy.
He is the Mets healthy version of severino… very talented, shows flashes of dominance but undone by inconsistency.
Think you nailed it.
I wouldn’t say severino has been inconsistent. The couple seasons before last year he was very good to great the first half and just got worn out the second half and playoffs. He just couldn’t sustain it for a full season. Thor on the other hand is inconsistent.
Is it just me but are you not describing inconsistency?
Matz has been better than Porcello every single year he has been in MLB except 2016, so why is Porcello a lock?
You have a good point, but Porcello may be better in Citifield, a pitcher-friendly park.
He is guaranteed $10 mil that is why
I was about to ask this exact question. I would bet money on Matz being a more reliable starter than Porcello in 2020.
Isnt Matz one of the most injury prone pitchers in baseball?
No
I feel like Steven Matz hasn’t been healthy since Matt Harvey was good.
30 starts each of the last 2 years for Matz.
What you may feel has no relevance with reality. As stated, he has made 30 starts each of the past two seasons. I hope this was just some silly trolling on your part
I agree with Yankees500. 1000% accurate. Yankees had there chance to get a Mets pitcher should of signed Wheeler.
Even if the Wilpons would allow them to trade with the Yankees (they vetoed a Jay Bruce trade mind you) nothing the Yankees are willing to give up is worth more to the Mets than Matz.
Steven Matz would get rocked in Yankee stadium. He’s pretty solid at home, but in smaller and/or hitter friendly parks he tends to get rocked.
His ERA in Citizen’s Bank Park last year was 14.46. His ERA in Coors was 15.75. 7.50 at Chase Field. While at home he had 2.31.
So this guy in the Bronx just doesn’t seem like it would work to me.
This is why I keep saying Cashman is overrated. Him and his staff can’t develop their own starting pitchers.
Cashman’s underrated, if anything, and might have 2 more rings if it wasn’t for the cheating teams the Yankees have played in recent playoffs. And I’m a Mets fan. You don’t just stumble upon multiple 100+ win teams despite half the team on the DL.
mlbnyyfan isnt a yankees fan, i can guarantee it
I’m a fan of facts-based logic not fallacy.
A non-cheating team beat them last year. The Yankees weren’t locks just because they lost to the Astros.
As Hayes said above, pitching at Citi Field is much different than walking into Yankee Stadium and that AL East division of short porches.
Call the Blue Jays and ask for Anthony Kay.
If they want a prospect they can just pitch Deivi Garcia or one of their other pitching prospects.
Anthony Kay, hate to break it to you Betty, is not a prospect. He’s nothing more than a #5 at-best. The Yankees shouldn’t have to give up much to get Kay.
If he’s the prospect you truly believe he is then at 25 years old (soon to be), he should be one of the starters for Toronto in 2020. He is not, and the four pitching acquisitions this offseason is proof enough that they do not have faith in him.
The Yankees should call the Pirates about Joe Musgrove if for no other reason than to get the best player the Pirates received in the Cole trade and have Cole.
Ship him to Boston for Jackie Bradley and be done with it
I’m here for all the Clint Frazier and Luis Cessa for matz comments….
Yankees don’t really have something for the Mets unless they overpay.. even andujar has no room on our team.
Dont forget Florial!
What about Ross Stripling? The Dodgers proved they were interested or at least willing to move him.
Agreed, @rememberthecoop. That’s the guy I have been wanting lately, if we get someone at all
Give us one of Green Octavino Kahnle or Britton and hes yours!!!!
Boston should of traded Betts for Thor. Boston got nothing of any significant value for Betts.
They dumped 48 million dollars of David Price. That’s something. Plus they got three bodies to fill out rosters. I say they made out pretty good.
I was just thinkin this last night , Matz for Frazier and Floriel
So it’s matz for Floriel? Bc Frazier doesn’t have a spot on our team… it’s not just what the Yankees need. I don’t even want floriel.. another overrated prospect like Garcia from the Yankees.
Why would the Mets trade from the perceived depth that they have on March 2? Injuries to pitchers are a reality and almost inevitable for any team. The Mets have only inexperienced guys at AAA. Say they trade Matz and then god forbid someone like Syndergaard or DeGrom goes down? No more depth. The Yankees are in a bind because two of there guys got hurt.The Yankees have a problem but trades in March are very unlikely. Way to early for the Mets to sell on depth they may or may not have.
I agree with metsie here. As of now, the Mets have a good problem…too many starting pitchers. It gives them a ton of options and helps the bullpen, but it’s still early. Injuries to pitchers can and will happen. The Mets were uncharacteristically lucky with starting pitching injuries last year, but right now I think they should hold onto that depth unless the offer is overwhelmingly good.
They’ve actually been pretty lucky on starting pitcher health for a number of years now, with Harvey being the big exception.
I’m sort of afraid we just jinxed it.
They should be looking at Ross Stripling from the Dodgers
The Mets did a decent job of building some sort of depth for the rotation. Trading Matz,the only lefty of the bunch should not happen. That goes for any team let alone the Yankees. I see no issue with the teams trading so long as the deal makes sense. A Matz trade makes zero sense for the Mets. A 29yr old, left-handed starting pitcher earning a very manageable $5m should not be traded. He is one of, if not the best #5 starter in the league.
He is at worst a .500 pitcher…ERA anywhere from 3.50-4.25…150-175 innings pitched. With 50-60 walks and 145-165k’s and a whip of 1.20-1.30. In my opinion a top tier 5th starter the Mets should hold onto. deGrom,Syndergaard,Stroman,Porcello and Matz is easily a top 5 rotation. I see no reason to mess with it. Wacha,Gonsalves and Ramirez is pretty good depth with Lugo and Gsellman capable of starting if need be. David Peterson is on the cusp of being ready for the bigs. He is in the same mold of a JA Happ,Matz and Gio Gonzalez with a ceiling of Cole Hammels. More likely to be a Jose Quintana than Hammels actually.
Im looking forward to Matt Allan. I really like his potential. Hoping for a Nola/Bauer level pitcher in a few years
A trade would make perfect sense if the right piece were coming back. The Mets could use a long-term upgrade at catcher and could also use a defensive CF who can hit. I don’t see the Yanks sending either their way.
Ooo I like this. Despite being a Mets fan, and seeing the talent Matz has, I think he would bring a nice return from NY. And it would leave Porcello and Wacha to be the 4 and 5. If a trade was to be reached, I just hope that the Mets don’t find a way to screw it up. But who are we kidding, they are the Mets…
I mean if the Mets are the Mets… you wouldn’t want to be a Met??? I mean the last 5 years the Mets have made WS and playoffs 2 times and have a better roster than rangers so?? I mean what have the rangers done? If you’re not the Nats Braves Cardinals yankess redsoxs cubs or dodgers you shouldn’t really talk..
You know, he started his sentence by saying he is a Mets fan so I think you two would cheer for the same team if the Mets were playing any of the aformentioned teams. You probably don’t have to be quite so hostile. Rangers29 there is probably just cynical of the FO..and I can’t blame him for that. The Wilpons are a soul crushing soup sandwich wasting the considerable talent on the Mets roster.
IDK what argument you are trying to make here. You can’t like more than one team? I like the Rangers a lot, a huge fan, but I also like the Mets. Is something wrong with that? And if you try to make an argument of the past few years, how about go to the past decade and look. You will see that the Mets made one WS, and the Rangers made two. The Rangers were also one “Lack of” Nelson Cruz away from winning it all, and the Mets were just hit by the miracle Royals. Yes the past 5 years have been a rebuild for the Rangers, but why is that so bad? We didn’t tank like the Astros did, and we also didn’t cheat. I just want to know what your point is.
I just don’t like the comment Mets will be Mets when many other teams the last 5 years haven’t been as successful as the Mets. And maybe 3-5 teams have a more talented roster rn.
When I say “Mets being the mets” that doesn’t mean that they don’t have a talented roster (I mean they have the best pitcher in baseball). But it’s the opposite. They can have a talented roster, and screw it all up. Either by Vargas saying rude stuff to reporters, Callaway sticking in a bullpen arm even though the starter is throwing a shutout, Degrom getting no run support, the Wilpons being the cheapest people on earth, and then screwing up a deal to sell the team. THAT WAS JUST LAST YEAR!!! Not to mention Yoenis Cespedes being “Boar man”. So, it’s not that the Mets aren’t talented, they really are (I have them in the WC this season), but they can just find a way to screw anything up.
Errr..I’m so confuzzled. ROFL!
Not exactly fair for a Rangers fan to rip on the Mets. Come on now.
Francisco Alvarez is the long term answer at C….i get he is at least 3 years out..there are plenty of good stopgap options on the market evert year. Also..i like Jake Magnum for defensive CF. A college senior pick this past draft…he can rise quickly through the system. Kid is a gamer and great defensively…who knows…maybe Marisnick has a good season and holds down the fort until we can get a FA or trade for a CF regular…If Nimmo could get better we wont have to worry. His high obp bat plays in the lineup. If he could be average defensively in center then problem solved. Hopefully he makes progress this season
Sigh..does anyone ever read the commentents section and think to yourself..MLBTR commentors arent baseball fans so much as a roving band of hyena’s ready to devour you if you mispell a word, use the wrong year or have the audacity to disagree with one of them.
Lol yes, it’s sad what it has come to. The trolls on this site are just trying to be funny despite somebody putting up a logical argument… it’s stupid.
Sad but true… Also the fans who blindly say whatever their team does is Gold etc etc–
Its great to be a fan but you have to be realistic and critical of your own team and if your going to post at least know a little bit outside of your team as well-
A lot of the heated arguments come from Homer fans who are just straight ignorant
Halos where are you in this discussion?
Only way it would make sense from the Mets perspective is if there is a piece like Loaisiga coming back to maintain their depth. Yanks might as well keep Loaisiga and roll him or Garcia out there until Paxton and German are back.
The NYMs can’t afford to trade Matz. Past DeGrom, the rotation is a little shaky.
DeGrom-Great
Thor-great potential, but a 95 ERA+
Stroman-solid #3 so far.
Matz-89 ERA+ over the past three seasons
Porcello-96 ERA+ over the past 3 seasons
Wacha-101 ERA+ over the past 3 seasons, but injury-prone and a 1.92 K/W over the past two seasons.
To me, that’s a #1, (2) #3, and (3) #5’s. It’s surprising, but their #2 SP last year, in terms of ERA, was Vargas.
This really doesn’t seem like a good idea for the Mets unless the Yankees are offering something obscene. The Mets strength is there pitching. If they start nibbling into that they would have to get equivalent, major league value from a position player(s) so I can’t see how this works.
Look, I have a natural hate of the Mets… but moving Matz makes a lot of sense here. Yanks definitely could use him… I’d sell a little high if I were the Mets. They don’t have any glaring needs, so I’d try to get a near mlb ready prospect to fill a future hole. Or maybe just a few young guys. I think the Mets need to trade Smith to someone also… too talented to be a bench piece for them… get some value out of him in a trade ..
Yes, it’s all so easy… why hasn’t anyone else ever figured it out
#bravesfan: “Look, I have a natural hate of the Mets… but moving Matz makes a lot of sense here.”
Yeah this tells Mets fans everything you need to know; guy who hates the Mets and roots for a competitor in the same division wants the deal!
Keep Matz, Mets have no starters after him
ps he wants to get rid of the only viable first baseman, Smith, who could replace Pete if he gets injured
Moving Acuna for Wil Myers makes a lot of sense to me.
Hey steve, I just posted a reply above, and it says it is awaiting moderation even though I didn’t say anything inappropriate. Why is that?
That usually happens when there is a “no-no” word in your response. It doesn’t have to be super vulgar, just something that has caused complaints in the past.
Florial and Gil for Matz.
The Yankees are at somewhat of a crossroads. They either need to go all in and get their payroll up to $300M (currently at $258M), or try to use young, league minimum pitchers to get them through their current IL rut. While Happ & Ellsbury come off the books next year, they will have to replace Happ and start paying more for Judge, Sanchez and Torres via arbitration and probably resign Paxton to a big deal as well. Once they signed Cole, they basically locked themselves into CBT purgatory and trying to reset anytime soon would be nearly impossible. Their only goal should be to get next year’s payroll under $248M so they don’t drop 10 places in the draft. If the Yankees don’t get a title within the next 1-3 years, they are going to blow this entire team up and do what they can to reset. They should throw caution to the wind this season and spend whatever it takes to buy a title as their window is closing unless they are comfortable with annual payrolls in the $250M+ territory and the penalties that go along with that. They haven’t been comfortable in the past staying above the CBT line for more than 3 seasons so it will be interesting to see what they’ll do after year 3 (2021).
What is there left to spend money on? The RS are in a similar position. They finally opened up some cap room, but there is little left out there that would help.
It would have to be a trade. Go after a high priced veteran or two from teams who are looking to shed payroll (Colorado, Cubs, etc)
I made a mistake above. Tanaka’s deal is up after 2020, but Paxton is still arbitration eligible. So they will need to either resign Tanaka or find a replacement for him; most likely a veteran since Severino will be out until at least June of 2021 if not longer. Paxton should get a sizable raise in arbitration, as will Judge and possibly Sanchez. Torres is still early in his career and should be able to come in at an affordable number. But having $70M committed to Cole & Stanton really puts them in a tough starting place from a CBT standpoint. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them offer Springer a huge deal next year as well.
This is completely wrong.
James Paxton is a free agent after this season. He’s going to miss half this year. There’s no reason the Yankees need to go spend 42 million bucks on players this year. That’s pretty ludicrous. They can use a pitcher for the postseason stretch. Pick him up in June or July and it should cost less than 10MM in payroll. The sky isn’t falling in New York. They have G Cole leading the rotation and a ton of prospects to go get an arm.
There shouldn’t be any kind of urgency to get that arm tomorrow. Monty/Loaisiga should be a fine backend combo until Pax and German are back in the picture.
I’m having an off day. Paxton is a free agent next year, so the Yankees are looking at (4) of their projected SP this year either leaving or being on the IL to start 2021 (Tanaka, Paxton, Happ, Severino). If they can fill one or two spots internally with Monty and ???, they will still need to shell out some big money to retain Paxton or Tanaka, or possibly sign a Stroman type of FA. (Last post on this, I promise)!
Where is there a mandate that Tanaka and/or Paxton needs to be retained? Your definitive tone sounds like the Yankees are run like a Target store.
No mandate at all, but if the Yankees want to go title hunting in 2021, they need pitchers like Tanaka or Paxton to do so. It doesn’t need to be either one of them, but they will need to spend $20M – $25M / yr. on someone with a similar profile or skill set. If German can prove he is a stud this year when he gets back then perhaps they only need to sign or resign one high end pitcher. The point is that they will need to spend some money on SP next season for sure.
We all know Tanaka wants and probably will stay in NY –
I dont see him every dawning another jersey….. Pax who knows ,Id let him go if it were me and the Yankees probably do too
Happs deal is guaranteed at 165 inns…..in a perfect world they could manipulate that but they are going to need every inn they can from him so hes going to vest for 2021 at a paltry 17 mill
Paxton and Tanaka are free agents next year
Id suggest book marking Spotrac and spending a little time over there before posting- You seem to have good intentions but seem to be wildy off on your intel when posting here all the time-
Spotrac is your friend !
I read a bad article, sorry about the misinformation. I hate when others post incorrect info so I deserve to take a beating over my garbage post! With German & Paxton set to come back in either late May or early June, I think the Yankees will do whatever they can to avoid Happ from exceeding that 165 IP threshold. Even with so much potential SP turnover coming, Happ doesn’t seem like a desired piece for 2021.
For the record, I was exaggerating the $300M number; just trying to point out that this is the year the Yankees should go all in and acquire whomever they need to regardless of price as they are set up to win it all this year. Their two biggest obstacles are injuries & the Dodgers. So Cash needs to the throw the budget out the window and do whatever he can to put them over the top!
Hes def not a desired piece, they def dont want him back at that clip, but I dont see how its avoided at this point unless they run him up to 160 and cut him if they feel safe with pitching the last 1/3 yr-
Those optics would sure be fun though, we’ve had major manipulation in the past but this would be pretty egregious – Def something to be watching
The Yankees don’t need to replace both Paxton and Tanaka next season if German, Loaisiga and Montgomery produce. Clarke Schmidt and Deivi Garcia are potential options for 2021 as well.
The Yankees are not in a bad spot at all when it comes to future pitching depth. Severino also returns in 2021. Which gives them Loaisiga, Sevie, Monty, German,Schmidt, Garcia, and Cole as 2021 options.
Not all of those will workout but there isn’t a shortage of contenders. I’d expect they’d be looking for another TOR guy.
Happ can’t do anything about it but be unhappy though. He was their worst starter by a country mile last season. I can easily see him moved to the bullpen if Paxton and German come back healthy and effective. If that’s the case, he’s going to be under the innings limit.
Pitching aside, can the Yankees get 200 games played out of Judge & Stanton combined this year? It’s somewhat concerning they are sending Judge back to NY for more tests on his shoulder and Stanton is one swing & miss core muscle pull away from a 6-8 week trip to the IL.
EVERYONE is one swing away from going on the shelf. Or one step away from a hamstring pull/MCL/ACL tear.
Stanton is much closer than others
Matz and Cano for a bag of balls…
Matz for Domingo German + another piece. Yankees solve their shortage for April/May, Mets still have some depth once German comes back in June.
Probably have to be a pretty big piece, though, given German’s baggage.
I think the move is Boyd here. Keep him after free agents Happ & Paxton. They have the depth to let Detroit mix and match with minor leaguers and young mlb players. Seems like NYY is already getting the media to “give them options” as to keep the price low and doing the NYY classic “look over here” move. The Mets won’t trade, they are expected to win their division. Also city pride is at stake here, and that means a ton.
Matz for Andujar sounds about right.
What would the Mets do with Andujar? Add him to the growing list of corner players that they collect. He can pray with JD Davis and Dom Smith to open up an NL DH slot.
2nd base sit or move Cano.
Makes no sense for Mets
I agree he’s not even well regarded defensively at 3B. I think Clint Frazier would fit better and even that’s a stretch. A top 10 Yankees prospect is likely what would be offered for Mets.
Frazier’s nowhere near a fit either unless you can find a way to play 5 corner OFs at once.
You Mets fans crack us up….there’s nobody you would take in a trade but you are interested in trading…what a screwed up franchise…..and by the way, both Andujar and Frazier would be considered top 10 yankee prospects if they were still considered prospects which they aren’t.
There are plenty of arms to be had via trade for the Yankees. Boyd or Norris from Detroit….maybe revisit Robbie Ray talks. Maybe roll the dice on Cueto. Im sure there is a FA still out there. Tijuan Walker?? Not sure if he is in a camp…but he would be perfect..young..previous success..albeit brief..but thats an arm to gamble on. Or…just go with a prospect from the system. They are plenty talented to be able to carry a subpar 5th starter for the 1st month or 2
Mets trade Matz (Specially to The Yankees or Phillies), I will finally Trade The Mets! Been a Die hard since 73 and had season tickets for years (I now live in Nashville, so it’s kinda a far drive), But Matz always seems to be the one The Mets hang out to dry over their Better Than Thou Poster Boy Thor!
I would take a Half of a Matz over a Thor! Trade that whiny @$$ long hair Mr. Perfect!
If Matz can figure out how to control the long ball, he absolutely could be the teams #2!
I dont know a lot about Stroman, but looking at his numbers, he has never been “All that” either.He was ok in 2017, but thats about it. So Why is Matz always the bad guy?
Outside of 4 Horrible starts in 2019 Matz was great. The bad starts however were horrific, but the rest of the season he was better than most of the staff. Even deGrom had 4 horrible starts to start the 2019 season!
I have been a Mets fan for 50 years.
You do NOT help the Yankees no matter what the return!
This is just smart business; you do not help a media competitor who’s fans abuse Mets fans as it is.
The Yankess take every opportunity to talk down the Mets in the media when they can stand on their own success, only shows unnecessary bias.
If Wacka Mole goes down who is going to pitch Crockett or Oswald?
I can only trust and hope van lunchwagon will do the wrong thing and over ask the Yankess and kill the deal
Who said anything about helping the Yankees. They wouldn’t be GIVING tge Yankees Matz. It’s BAD bussiness to not trade him no MATTER the return.
if it makes the Yankees better then its helping the Yankees
If it didn’t help the Yankees why would they check in on Matz in the first place?
Its only bad business when its the Yankees, If they traded him to the Angels I would have no problem
Yankees ownership is to good for that
Matz for Yenkz.
He certainly would be significantly less dislikable in Yankee pinstripes.
Matthew boyd for andujar, Frazier and ford.
Ain’t happening…those 3 for 1 deals that the Yankees made way in the past, are long gone. Too much talent going the wrong way….Especially for a pitcher with the pedigree of Boyd who Tigers and non-Yankees fans have been hyping for the last year!
A solid starting pitcher for 3 extra pieces that don’t have positions? Make the deal.
Well, depth is what its all about these days in the MLB….Andujar may very well be a starter either at 3rd, left field, or DH.
Frazier is a much improved ballplayer from early reports in Spring Training and may very well make the final ML roster and play in either Left or DH.
Finally, Ford, given the now 26 man roster is an important bench piece because he’s a left handed power bat, and has proven both he can hit and field in the majors based on last years performance.
The bottom line here is that all 3 are and can play in the majors….where they fit is yet to be determined but compared to that sh_t show in Queens, the Mets should and would be happy to have any 2 of them in a trade for a basically .500 pitcher who eats innings.
Matz for Andujar alone could be a massive overpay for the Yankees so a 3 for 1 deal isn’t happening any longer for the Yankees.
Matz’ 6.62 era away from Citi Field should work out well in the dinky parks in AL East.
Make the trade. Worst case Mets get a prospect that likely falls into a top ten rank in their weak system. Matz is a No. 4 SP in this current rotation.
Just give Bartolo Colon another shot lol
Not good business between crosstown rivals. It would be like when Soon-yi’s retainer fell out of Woody Allen’s pant pocket at a Friars Club meeting. Total chaos!
Norris and Farmerfor Andujar
It would take much more than Matz to land Andujar.
I agree. I don’t see Yankees offering anyone from the big league roster. If anything, maybe Frazier but still unlikely.
What an outing today. Bet the Mets hold on to him now.