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MLB, MLBPA Making Final Negotiation Effort

By Steve Adams | June 22, 2020 at 1:31pm CDT

Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association are making a “last-minute attempt at haggling” in hopes of reaching an agreement on a deal regarding the 2020 season, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney. It seems the last-ditch effort to find a common ground is the reason that the MLBPA has twice delayed its scheduled meeting to vote on MLB’s 60-game proposal.

If the two sides aren’t able to reach a compromise, commissioner Rob Manfred is expected to implement a season at a length of the league’s choosing. Doing so would ensure the players their prorated salaries for the duration of the 2020 season and would not include the expanded playoffs which the union has offered to ownership. Barring an agreement between the two sides, we’re down to the “last hours” before Manfred implements a season length, per Olney.

Throughout this process, both parties have maintained that they hope to reach a deal rather than have a season set by Manfred under the preexisting March agreement. Players are hopeful of reaching a negotiated agreement because doing so would result in playing more games at their prorated salary levels. Ownership wants a negotiated deal because that’s the only means of achieving the significant playoff expansion (and thus postseason revenue) in 2020-21. The March agreement indicates that players would need to sign off on postseason expansion.

To this point, onlookers are plenty aware that neither side has been willing to come down off its key points. The union is insisting on prorated salary, and the league is staunchly against pushing regular-season play beyond Sept. 27 and — as of last week — opposed to playing any more than 60 games at prorated levels of pay.

The exact points that the two sides are discussing aren’t clear, although Joel Sherman of the New York Post provides a bit of insight (all Twitter links). The league has told the union that it can only offer forgiveness on the standing $170MM advance to players on split contracts (a total of about $33MM that would effectively only be paid to the game’s lowest-paid players) and that no money would be added to the players’ share of the 2020-21 playoff pool. If fewer than 50 games are played, though, the league would strike the agreements on expanded playoffs and a universal DH in 2021.

Whatever the specifics, it doesn’t appear that length of schedule is among the points of negotiation at this juncture. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that the two sides are trying to work out an agreement on a 60-game season and that failing a negotiated agreement, Manfred will implement a season of 54 to 60 games.

Notably, ESPN’s Ben Cafardo tweets that Manfred is expected to speak on television soon. That certainly suggests that a resolution could finally be nigh — whether it’s Manfred announcing a deal with the union or simply announcing that he has implemented a season length under the March agreement.

We still don’t have a sense for how the league plans to address additional COVID-19 outbreaks within the sport, which we saw last week when 40 players and staff members tested positive (including eight in one organization). If a season length is at long last settled upon today — one way or another — the two sides they can pivot their full attention to that critical component of return-to-play talks.

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  1. thorshair

    10 months ago

    I’m so sick of hearing about this, decide one way or another and save us from this insanity

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    • Chatdawg09

      10 months ago

      But aren’t we actually being the insane ones… we keep following it expecting a different result ;p

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      • The Human Rain Delay

        10 months ago

        Yup

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        • gozurman1

          10 months ago

          Every one:::Don’t look at the light!!!!!!

          Me: I can’t help it….It’s so beautiful!!!!!! ……..ZAP!!!

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        • The Human Rain Delay

          10 months ago

          Yup…

          The pure astonishment and rage the day the season is actually cancelled should be a gas – O/U 16 mins till comments shut down on that one

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        • gozurman1

          10 months ago

          I would bet the over but not by a whole lot. I think that the board will be open but then politics will be brought in and then they will get tired of moderating the board. I was surprised that the board for 40 players/staffers testing positive was shut down.. Was it ever open for comment?

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    • A'sfaninLondonUK

      10 months ago

      @thorshair – look I see what you’re saying – but do you not think the baseball response to the virus reflects upon your (our) nations actions as a whole?

      I speak as a Londoner (an occasionally sober British person across the Atlantic) and our response has been utterly pathetic. In immediacy the vulnerable should have been furloughed (the elderly, the obese, those with underlying medical conditions) and the rest of us should have been left to fend for ourselves.

      I’m a lefty liberal, who has lost an aged WW2 hero relative to Covid but honest to God, I find the one step from lockdown pandemic to don’t care anarchic baffling. So did he.

      No one in authority (be it politics, sports admin, underwater lobster racing) has been able to grasp this. The baseball argument is 70% covid and (take your sides) 14-16% players vs owners. It stuns me no-one in baseball authority can grasp this. It stuns me that Manfred vs Clark is the battle of the imbeciles.

      It further stuns me (I like the word) that both sides didn’t have the intellect to say – at day one – we don’t think we can do this, but we’re going to try….

      Because no expectations to some expectations is so much better than this tomfoolery…

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      • Cam

        10 months ago

        It stuns me that you can’t comprehend how much of this really is Owners v Players, and an apex of their long running battle for leverage. What drove them to reach an impasse is merely peripheral now.

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    • Basebal101

      10 months ago

      This is MLB trade RUMORS, maybe if rumors make you that sick you need to choose another site to follow, just sayin.

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  2. pinkerton

    10 months ago

    Disgusting. They’re all fools. Sad!

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  3. roguesaw

    10 months ago

    About time

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  4. tonyinsingapore

    10 months ago

    More games is better; I do not care about the money on either side.

    As for health, there are a lot of brilliant doctors and scientists involved so I’m not going to sweat that either.

    If it’s deemed safe to play, then PLAY BALL !

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  5. padreforlife

    10 months ago

    Zzzz

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  6. anthonyd4412

    10 months ago

    65 games, expanded playoffs. Everybody wins

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    • Sonny

      10 months ago

      Yes

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    • bucketbrew35

      10 months ago

      Exactly. Just meet in the middle.

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  7. mrshyguy99

    10 months ago

    i dont get why this is so hard to figure out. every other league did.

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    • krillin89

      10 months ago

      Because the other leagues don’t have as strong of a union

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      • M Haworth

        10 months ago

        We will see how strong that union is come the negotiating of the CBA prior to the 2022 season. I believe its going to be a strike or lockout and if that happens, it won’t be resolved without a salary cap of some sort. Let’s see how long the players will stand together then.

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        • pt57

          10 months ago

          The players held together in 94-95, and they weren’t exactly playing for free then.

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    • Patrick OKennedy

      10 months ago

      The other leagues have basically wrapped up their regular seasons, and they have a revenue sharing formula in place for the games they do play.

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      • Halo11Fan

        10 months ago

        Patrick.
        Not to mention, since baseball is a non-contact sport, it’s “possible” they could get by with having a season.

        It’s the “Possibility” of hope that poses the problem.

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        • Patrick OKennedy

          10 months ago

          And it’s outdoors, which should help some.

          No doubt there have been extensive talks not being published that go into details on the health issues.

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        • gozurman1

          10 months ago

          Just wait until the NFL has to push it’s season back then have to talk about a shorter schedule. The NFLPA will go off the deep end then. As Patrick said the NHL and NBA have most of their regular seasons complete. The NFL will be in the same boat if they can not play when the first games are scheduled.

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  8. Nicks Nats

    10 months ago

    Sleepy Joe would be saying let’s get the skates on and play hoop.

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    • HaloHonk4Life

      10 months ago

      Or….. He was safe. His foot cross the 3 point line before goalie block the punt. Home Plate Ump -Sleepy Joe

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      • Cheeseman Forever

        10 months ago

        Yes, because your candidate is a model of rational behavior and lucid thought. By the way, this is a site about baseball…take the political stuff elsewhere, please.

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        • Halo11Fan

          10 months ago

          Both candidates have huge issues.
          I’m not really sure why we talk politics here.

          Both candidates provide plenty of ammunition to believe each is the worst candidate ever.

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        • bklynny67

          10 months ago

          Except one wants to use the US military against his own people… Worst. President. Ever. And this comes from someone who stupidly voted for him.

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        • medic87

          10 months ago

          Its a joke for pete’s sake.

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        • A'sfaninLondonUK

          10 months ago

          Yes, sadly you’re right, it is a joke.

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        • Halo11Fan

          10 months ago

          You mean one wants to protect bushiness that are being destroyed by the lawless. Wow, what a horrible person.

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  9. James Midway

    10 months ago

    In more interesting news, I had a breakfast burrito this morning. Still undecided about lunch.

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    • krillin89

      10 months ago

      West coast I’m assuming?

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    • ScottCFA

      10 months ago

      Did you decide to have it after deciding not to have, after previously having decided 100% it was going to be a burrito for breakfast? How many weeks did it take you to decide and did you have to negotiate with a spouse?

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      • Cheeseman Forever

        10 months ago

        And if there are any unintended consequences, do you file a grievance against the burrito?

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    • Gigorilla

      10 months ago

      Grey, is that you burrito boy?

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    • Pete'sView

      10 months ago

      Black beans or refries?

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    • aloop

      10 months ago

      If there are unintended consequences, do you fear a legal reprisal from your digestive system against your brain, hands, and mouth? If so, how do you expect to fight back?

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  10. ib6ub9

    10 months ago

    After they figure this out the fans should boycott and not go to the games. lol

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    • Jeff Zanghi

      10 months ago

      You mean not go to the games that already aren’t allowed to have fans in attendance? That would be really effective… boycotting attending something you already weren’t allowed to attend… lol

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      • g8752

        10 months ago

        He must be from Miami or Tampa where no one goes anyway.

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  11. AaronSapoznik

    10 months ago

    One way or another, it appears there will be an abbreviated 2020 MLB season unless the coronavirus says otherwise.

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  12. SalaryCapMyth

    10 months ago

    Up to this point, out of the principle that ownership should never be funded by it’s staff, I have been on the players side, but this is where they need to sign. They have every right to demand there their full, pro-rated salaries.

    But the players have managed to finagle another 10 games out of the owners while keeping full pro-rated pay. It might feel like a pyric victory as 60 games of pro rated pay is still pretty small compared to a full season but the MLBPA needs to read the tea leaves now.

    I know the players can say they are honoring the agreement to play as many games as possible but considering the atmosphere of our country and the resurging Covid-Sars, if there is a grievance, I don’t think they will win.

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  13. Pete'sView

    10 months ago

    After all of this back and forth, it becomes pretty clear that it isn’t safe for the players or anyone else on the ground crews or in the clubhouse. My fear is that a major league player will die—maybe more than one. Is it worth it? No. I’ll wait till 2021, or even 2022 (as much as I would miss it) to see baseball again.

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    • Cubguy13

      10 months ago

      My fear is that a mlb player or two will die in a car crash on the way to the game. Maybe they should cancel games forever to avoid the possibility of death

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      • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

        10 months ago

        Oh, so well stated! There’s a danger in the world we are pretty much forced to accept (transportation), so we should absolutely make a lame point in regards to a disease that CAN be defeated if we do the right things! That’s EXACTLY the same!!

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        • M Haworth

          10 months ago

          There is a larger chance that a player would die in an accident than covid-19. That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact that you can verify easily.

          As for defeating the virus by “doing the right things” is absurd and inaccurate. We can help mitigate the risk of spreading it via masks and washing hands, but it doesn’t defeat it. From a factual standpoint. the only way to defeat the virus is via a vaccine or herd immunity where it becomes hard for the virus to spread.

          Now, can we get back to baseball negotiations that will go nowhere?

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      • Halo11Fan

        10 months ago

        So let me see if I understand this. If the season is called off, no player will die in a car crash. Luis Valbuena and Oscar Tarvares would have loved to know that.

        Also, let their insurance companies know.

        It’s takes a little bit of discernment to have the ability to perform a little risk analysis, you don’t have any.

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        • HaloHonk4Life

          10 months ago

          They were ambushed. It wasn’t a car accident

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  14. Patrick OKennedy

    10 months ago

    No flexibility on the playoff pool
    No flexibility on the advance writeoff
    No flexibility on the number of games
    No flexibility on anything, except they’ll cancel the expanded playoffs in 2021 if less than 50 games are played in 2020, but only if they also remove the DH.

    Just more lipstick on the same old pig. I still don’t see why the players would vote for this

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    • Pauly14

      10 months ago

      Because the league could just not play at all. Some pay is far better than no pay.

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  15. LanceCT

    10 months ago

    Here’s a genius idea… 65 games!

    Sick of these idiots!

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  16. LOLatAlexCora

    10 months ago

    Maybe we can start a GoFundMe for the owners to mitigate their losses? Maybe kids can break open their piggy banks and mail the money to the owners? Maybe all hot dogs, everywhere, should be $9.00 more expensive than usual on game days. (Of course the $9.00 extra per hot dog would be sent to the owners.)
    #prayforowners

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    • All American Johnsonville Dogs

      10 months ago

      No fans = no hot dogs.

      Also, fans are more likely to buy alcohol than hot dogs. Get rid of the end alcohol sales after 7th inning rule!

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  17. NY_Yankee

    10 months ago

    As far as I am concerned, the owners and players might as well play zero baseball games because all both sides are playing are childish games.

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    • roguesaw

      10 months ago

      Well I mean, isn’t that what the players do for a living?

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  18. Curly_was_a_stooge

    10 months ago

    Blah, blah, blah, blah – shut up & get it done – we’re all victims of circumstance (per the original Curly).

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  19. mike156

    10 months ago

    Players might actually be better off letting Manfred impose the 54 game season, no expansion, none of the other concessions, and take the 1/3 salary and file a grievance. I realize it’s a radical idea, but the owners aren’t offering all that much more on a “negotiated” deal.

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    • M Haworth

      10 months ago

      Not sure how they would win a grievance though. It would be pretty easy to say that one of the leading experts, Dr Fauci, suggested they should not play baseball past October. They could then very easily show why a schedule of 50-60 games was realistic due to the health concerns and the calendar. The players could argue that the owners delayed the start to meet the calendar needs of a shorter season but the issue with that would be that the owner’s can point to the language of the March deal and statements by MLBPA negotiators that said they were aware that with no fans, they would discuss the pay in good faith.

      Long story short, I don’t think either side has an winning argument on a greivance so they are both better served by figuring it out. The question is are they smart enough to do that?

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  20. Alexander

    10 months ago

    I honestly don’t care anymore. They could have made a quick deal and came out looking like heroes by giving the country a much needed lift and distraction. But greed gonna greed.

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  21. money

    10 months ago

    Maybe since they are so in the tank with BLM, they can get them to tear down all the so called racist statues outside the stadiums.
    Why not take off 2020 and 2021 too. Maybe the fans are more important than a few dollars more and supporting Marxist groups.

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  22. Iknowmorebaseball

    10 months ago

    Why you even care about the union voting on this proposal? It’s so silly people, if we all pay attention you’ll notice that Major league facilities have been closing because the spread of covid. There is 100% possibility that there’s not going to be a season in my opinion and I don’t follow these bologna stories about how they’re going to try to get a season in. Mookie never played a game for the Dodgers unless they sign him. The Reds traded for Trevor Bauer, gave up a lot just for his ten startsa. The Cardinal s catcher Molina lost his last year of his contract And it may be or was his only chance to start as he is now going to have a hard time getting in contract as a starter. There’s a lot of teams affected by this cancellation of the season I can go on and on

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    • ScottCFA

      10 months ago

      “…and Francisco Franco is still dead.”

      That’s about all you didn’t cover. Thanks for the summary, Chevy.

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    • M Haworth

      10 months ago

      By definition, a possibility means that it can happen. So sure, there’s a 100% possibility that something will happen. :)

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  23. kreckert

    10 months ago

    Oh good, it’s nice of them to come to an agreement after it’s become clear that a season is untenable. I look forward to them starting up only to cancel four or five days before a the season starts.

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  24. Tiny

    10 months ago

    With today’s media, and corporate America conspiring in the shadows- you have to be quite gullible to take the 40 people testing positive as gospel.

    The creation of a bubble is baseballs own doing. Adults can make their own decisions if they want to go to games or take their families to games. There’s no way owners can be held liable if someone gets sick and says they got it at their stadium. All the owners are doing is just conforming to the will of puppet masters. And they do so at the expense of their business, relations with players, and relations w fans. What a shame ! And a sham.

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    • Kevin28786

      10 months ago

      You can tell who the younger folks are by the way they react to this BS. They believe every lie told by the left, and that is a LOT of lies.

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      • Halo11Fan

        10 months ago

        What lie is that Kevin?

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    • Halo11Fan

      10 months ago

      No. It’s a pandemic. So if you knowing have it, baseball can’t just let you play.

      What is with you people?

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      • M Haworth

        10 months ago

        No one said they can play with covid…hello??

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      • Iknowmorebaseball

        10 months ago

        Exactly, they’re just ignorant. You can’t help everyone, there always will be the the dumb and there will always be the not so dumb

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  25. All American Johnsonville Dogs

    10 months ago

    Figure it the $#!? out already. This $&@# show has gone on long enough.

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  26. Angels & NL West

    10 months ago

    There will be a negotiated settlement. The fact that MLB and MLBPA are still talking after all this time and despite their acrimonious relationship is all you need to know.

    Negotiating labor contracts, etc gets ugly. That’s why it shouldn’t play out in the headlines.

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  27. Kevin28786

    10 months ago

    Yay. Yawn. Repeat.

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  28. Tiny

    10 months ago

    Using Trout as an example is cliche corp America- using stars to fulfill their agenda.

    The median salary for MLB players is 1.5 mil. Granted that’s a lot of money still, but it also costs a lot of money to live, pay taxes, and all other expenses that comes with baseball life. And when you are projecting to make that money and then you don’t – then a players financial stability can completely crumble.

    So 90%+ of players making 1.5 mil or less will surely want a season. To create a voting scenario where we don’t hear nor see all those players votes is more propaganda

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    • All American Johnsonville Dogs

      10 months ago

      60 out of 162 games is about 38%. Major league minimum is 563,500.

      1.5 mill times 0.38 is 570,000 or 570k.
      563,500 times 0.38 is 214,130.

      More than enough to live off of for a year. Plenty of people do so each year.

      Expenses that come with baseball life?

      If players spent money on things they couldn’t afford that’s on them. Work stoppage is always a possibility whether it’s CBA related or now health related.

      Let this be a financial lesson to them.

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    • Gigorilla

      10 months ago

      Expenses that come with baseball life?? I’m fairly certain that all in-season expenses related to playing the game are covered by the team.

      True, like us non MLB players, a mtg/rent payment must be paid, as private family expenses like eating and diaper costs.

      But you may want to re-check some numbers — a little research shows that approx. 50% of all MLB players are paid
      at least $2M (or more). Your 90% number is in left field. Try again

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      • Patrick OKennedy

        10 months ago

        The actual breakdown

        Of 780 players in MLB, using 26 man rosters x 30 teams
        13 make over $30M per year
        46 make over $20M per year (including those over 30M)
        87 make over 15M per year
        139 make over 10M
        240 make over 5M
        325 make over 3M
        385 make over 2M
        453 make over 1M
        537 make over 600K

        243 make under 600K

        On 40 man rosters, including those who get optioned, there are an additional 420 players for a total of 663 of 1,200 players making under 600K. 55.25%

        62.25% of players who are union members earn under $1M per year. Probably none of them are player reps voting on the proposal today.

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        • Tiny

          10 months ago

          Well said Pat !

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        • Gigorilla

          10 months ago

          As I previously said, and thank you for the back up, approx. 50% of MLB players make $2M or more. I was not commenting on 40 man rosters or union participation.

          Either way the 90% number cited earlier is way off.

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        • Tiny

          10 months ago

          90% of players making 1.5 mil or less. Try to quiet the voice in your head while reading and you will comprehend better

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        • Darth Nihilus

          10 months ago

          There’s a reason 59 players make more than $20 million, they are (or were in the case of playes such a Pujols) the top players than most fans want to see. Also, some of those players making below a certain point will one day, if trends continue, make similar money.

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        • Gigorilla

          10 months ago

          Tiny — try your own advice. My numbers and Patrick’s prove you are completely wrong.

          90% of players making 1.5 mil or less = complete lie. What’s your point for lying tiny? Or are Patrick’s numbers too complex for you too understand?
          The numbers presented are progressively increasing – you cant total each category with others. WOW.

          385 making $2M = 50% 0f all players on the 26 man rosters. Do the math.

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        • Hawktattoo

          10 months ago

          Lots of work…but your numbers are not adding up. They are adding up to over 2000 players?

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        • Patrick OKennedy

          10 months ago

          I tried to point out at the top that one group could also be included the next.
          So the group over $20M includes those over $30M, etc.

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        • Gigorilla

          10 months ago

          Comprehension tough??

          ..…Nice data Patrick, thanks.

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        • Tiny

          10 months ago

          Holy smokes dude. Read the comment. 90%+ of players who are making 1.5 mil or less. Not 90% of players make 1.5 or less. Quit with the day drinking

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  29. Kevin28786

    10 months ago

    I guess they think the fans are all sitting around with bated breath to see what they decide.

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  30. jeffmaz

    10 months ago

    Wouldn’t the players just prefer Manfred dictate a 55 game season at their full prorated salaries and no expanded playoffs?

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    • Patrick OKennedy

      10 months ago

      – and no playoff pool
      – no $33M advance loan write off
      – no DH in 2021
      – no expanded playoffs
      – grievance is still there

      For a difference of 5 games? I’m sure there are opinions both ways on that.

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  31. g8752

    10 months ago

    Wake me when they work this out, not before.

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  32. JonBryden

    10 months ago

    All of this haggling seems a bit silly and premature. Corona Virus cases have been going up here in Florida. Camps have had to be closed. Just because they reach an agreement the virus won’t care one bit. I don’t want to see resources taken away from other things so baseball or any other sport can have a season. I love baseball but we are in the middle of a pandemic. That should be our priority not getting overpriced athletes playing again. I feel really bad for the minor leaguers. i ,worked with the mom of one who just began is career in the Giants organization as a pitcher. So, i don’t see this really happening any time soon until the new case numbers start to drop.

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    • g8752

      10 months ago

      You must be from Key West as everything’s up from there.

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    • gozurman1

      10 months ago

      The thing we don’t know is, how many of those that are now testing positive, now that many more are being tested, are positive but are well beyond the contagious stage already. Many may have contracted the virus 2-3 months ago and the virus ran the course well before they showed up in Florida or Arizona for training. If they had no real symptoms and would never have gotten tested till they showed up in camp. They get marked down as a positive test but can’t infect anyone anymore. This can be happening a lot with what appears to be a “spike” but just delay in testing and would have been counted a month or so ago if the tests would have been available then.

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  33. nymetsking

    10 months ago

    Groundhog Day

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  34. SalaryCapMyth

    10 months ago

    I have an idea. The MLB owners are looking to their staff (players) to fund their losses. Why NOT ask the fans for the assistance they so direly need? If they can’t have us there, we can send them the money we would have otherwise spent. Collectively fans have more money than the players.

    If fans don’t want to support the principle of staff never funding ownership because of our extreme circumstances than hey, why NOT turn to the fans to help fund ownerships losses?

    So if every fan contributes $60 to the pool, we can help the owners carry their losses.

    So by a show of hands, who’s in? What? Nobody? Huh.. that’s surprising. I guess it’s MUCH easier to tell OTHER people to contribute their money to something than to do it yourself.

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