2:10pm: The MLBPA has issued the following statement:
We delivered to Major League Baseball today a counterproposal based on a 70-game season, which among a number of issues, includes expanded playoffs for both 2020 and 2021. We believe this offer represents the basis for an agreement on resumption of play.
Notably, Clark looks to be throwing Manfred’s exact wording — “the basis for an agreement” — back at the league. The subtext, of course, is that the 60-game framework was viewed no more an agreement by the union than this 70-game proposal will be viewed as such by ownership.
1:35pm: The union’s proposal would see the regular season run July 19 through Sept. 30, Passan tweets. It also includes $50MM in playoff revenue, a share of postseason TV revenue in 2021, the aforementioned forgiveness of the salary advance for the league’s lower-compensated players, a universal DH (presumably in 2020-21) and both sides waiving the right to a grievance.
The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal tweets that the union also proposed a neutral site framework for the postseason, if needed. They also agreed to advertising patches on uniforms over the next two seasons.
1:20pm: SNY’s Andy Martino reports that there’s frustration among some owners that they’re receiving a counter to what they didn’t believe was a proposal (Twitter thread). Ownership believed a deal/framework was in place at 60 games earlier in the week. Martino adds that Manfred had to “really twist” the arm of some owners to get to that 60-game mark, so it seems a straightforward “meet in the middle,” 65-game concept isn’t popular among ownership.
The MLBPA, however, saw the 60-game prorated framework as a proposal — not an agreement. Of note, even commissioner Rob Manfred himself said this week that his meeting with union chief Tony Clark produced a “a jointly developed framework that we agreed could form the basis of an agreement.” That quote in and of itself falls short of indicating that an agreement was firmly reached.
1:00pm: The Major League Baseball Players Association has finalized yet another counter-proposal for the league, according to Jeff Passan and Jesse Rogers of ESPN.com (Twitter thread). The union’s latest proposal is for 70 games and includes a “split of playoff revenues,” per Passan and Rogers. The league will likely make another counter before any terms are agreed upon.
Earlier this week, ownership proposed a 60-game season with prorated salaries, while the MLBPA reportedly continued to hold out hope for a longer season. The MLBPA’s last formal proposal to the league called for 89 games, so this latest proposal marks a notable drop from that point. Other factors have begun to surface in the back-and-forth, such as a universal DH in 2020 and 2021, expanded 16-team playoffs in each of the next two seasons, a joint fund for social justice initiatives and the partial forgiveness of the $170MM advance that was already paid out to players as a compromise to receive service time in the event of a canceled season.
It seems as though talks are reaching their apex, although that sense has existed at various points in the past. We’re already well past the June 10 target date for a relaunched training camp, and the once-hoped-for July 4 start date is clearly out of the question at this juncture. But the two sides still remain hopeful that a mid-July start date can be realized, with expanded postseason play running through late October. A middle ground in the mid-60s seems like it should be plausible at this point, although it’s best to temper any expectations for straightforward compromise between these two parties at this point.
As ESPN’s Buster Olney observes on Twitter, though, the difference between a 60-game and 70-game season checks in at roughly $245-250MM in total revenue — or $8.33MM per team. When we’ve reached the point where the gap between the two sides is comparable to what multiple individual free agents were promised this winter (think Stephen Strasburg, Anthony Rendon or, on a larger scale, Gerrit Cole) — it seems things should be able to come together quickly. Still, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that there’s little indication a resolution will be reached “quickly.” Still, it’s nearly unfathomable to think that the two sides could be as few as 10 games apart in their proposals and not eventually strike some kind of agreement.
Get. It. Done.
sixty-nine! sixty-nine! sixty-nine!
seriously what difference is 10 to 15 games gonna make. So fed up with everyone in this country being whiney about something.
Sounds like you’re whining
Why are you whining about the possibility of more baseball?
thank u tomh. it just seems silly to me to hold up the season for 10 to 15 more games. what kinda difference is that?Just agree to something instead of the back and forth BS.
I think when you feel like you’ve stretched yourself to the absolute limit at 60 then 70 becomes a big difference. It’s simply a matter of how much time is left at this point.
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I think this was a comment on the inability of either side to stop being stubborn donkeys and come to an agreement, nothing to do with the amount of baseball played.
Who cares it’s WWE now. MLBPA confirmed it after Astros scandal. Everyone knew with guys like Jeter and Ortiz who used steroids along with Roger,Manny,Arod,Cano,Andy etc
Jeter used steroids? I never heard that one.
I’ve heard it a few times. Always in the form of a baseless accusation and never from anyone other than a fan.
Also I don’t recall Andy, I assume Pettitte, using steroids. HGH was his PED of choice. Semantics 😉
WWE now? World Wrestling Entertainment
If Jeter did steroids he would have hit 400 home runs with ease. Jeter’s productive career essentially ended when he broke his ankle at age 38, meanwhile Ortiz has a career season at age 40. There’s empirical evidence that Ortiz used PEDs, not so much for Jeter. Just more anti-Yankee bias from jealous fans of other teams.
David Ortiz never used steroids
you dummy jeter didn’t use steroids he’s just a amazing player and if you can’t give him credit for that then… well you should stop being a baseball fan
Your an idiot
Rusty, as far as controlling the spread, a huge amount.
Every series should be five games. There should be a day off between series. And there should be testing every off day.
Those testing fire breaks could prevent teams infecting the entire league.
that’s a good plan.
I think your ideas here about controlling the spread are excellent, but do you think that this is why the sides are arguing?
Seth, yes! It is a big reason. If you own the Dodgers and a month into the season the team is in first place. One of the players get the covid and infects the entire team. Now you have to field a triple A team for the rest of the season and you get eliminated from a post season that would have given you a bunch of millions in profit. Owners know this can happen and see it as a big obstacle
That is a bad idea. 5 games series?? Testing twice a week? You may be ok with testing but I wouldn’t and not most players in MLB would and do you realize if Monday all players on the team pass the test. Monday night one of the players gets it. He shows up to play on Tuesday and Wednesday then Thursday he fails the test. They tell him he is to not come back to play tell he gets over the covid 19
The rest of the team meanwhile have been infected and fail the test on Thursday.What good is the testing now?
Fed up = whining
There might not be crying in baseball but whining is abundant 🙂
by both the MLB and the MLBPA
Chris Carpenter was a big whinny baby. It was pathetic!
MLB salaries excluding taxes are 25.31M per game played.
So 10 games are $253 million in salary to the owners, not counting stadium costs. 15 games you’re up to 374.5 million.
So yeah, it’s a big difference in some ways to both sides.
NO TV revenue for those 10 games/
Also, stadium costs have an overhead component and a marginal per game component. The overhead is a sunk cost if we have a season at all. The per game cost figures we have are for fully staffed games with ushers, ticket takers, janitors, etc, etc. It’s not insignificant, but nothing on the scale of TV revenues, gate receipts, or player salaries.
Patrick, Do you think that Owners could sell tickets for their Stadium Booth Rooms, if they do play in their home parks? Comerica has a few of them. Our family had one last summer, it was great.
This is what Michigan’s Governor said in a news release on June first.
Outdoor fitness, athletic events
Outdoor fitness classes, athletic practices, training sessions and games are allowed as long as coaches, spectators and participants not from the same household maintain a distance of six feet from one another at all times, Whitmer said.
That means gyms and fitness centers can hold outdoor classes and workouts as well, but they have to meet the social distancing guidelines.
These guidelines are effective immediately.
No more than 100 people can gather.
How much would a fan pay for one of 100 tickets available?
If Michigan does not have any new spike Increase in Corona Virus, I could see Governor Whitmore expanding the attendance to around one quarte of total occupancy of Comerica Park by the time the seasons games begin.
Political Ploy For Her Ratings ^^^^^^^^^^
Governor did not say “How much would a fan pay for one of 100 tickets available?” I said that.
I guess everyone knew that but just in case I wanted to let everyone know.
Hence longer playoffs, more $ for owners.
Really, Who said that there would not be any fans allowed at any of these games? I can see many States if not all allowing a limited number of fans into each game. It all depends on how the Virus decides to go.
10 games are $7.83 million per team. Say the tv revenue per team is $0.5 million per game. This will cost a net of $2.83 million per team.
Do a 66-68 game season and get it done. The owners are losing money, don’t give the players a 50-50 split in playoff revenues for the playoffs this year.
Depends on the person: for a minimum wage player, it means $50K or so. For Gerrit Cole, 15 games means $3M. For Yankee ownership, it means about $30M in payroll and expenses…but they’d get a lot of it back in extra income. I guess…depends on the details.
Get it done!
As soon as they get something worked out, some of these states are probably gonna backflip and say “hey we’re not going to let you play in our state”…
Well what license can the state pull to stop them… beer liicense nope, food license nope, what other license does the state control to stop I can’t think of one?
There is probably some statute on the books that allows governors to declare states of emergency in these instances. The national government has this capability so I would think states do as well. Also, the precedent has been set in some states.
The precedent set more than likely were and still are illegal. (legally the heath department who the governors are using for quarantine CAN only quarantine sick people or individuals that they see and personally identify then demand a test of who refuse that test can be too)
However I’m sure those states that try that would be out a lot of tax money and with the federal government not wanting to bail them out anymore this year they are broke too. When most of the people in the states who are now refusing those illegal quarantines, I would think the governments are going to suffer if they try another false narrative. But who knows… I want baseball and most everyone else does too!
Lol – the shut-down orders were not illegal…nice try though
I believe these games are going to be played in three states where there will be very limited air travel.
The states and counties have wide latitude to prevent MLB from playing games due to public health concerns.
I’m not saying that they will, just that they can.
I know politicians are stupid, but that would be stupid even for them. Also, in this case, the states in question are leaning right. They’ve been a little less stupid about this particular issue than the other side.
89 games to 70 games is a huge % drop. They may get their prorated salaries but it still won’t be more money!
Bingo – 89 = 55%, 70 = 43%, 60 = 37%. So a player making $1 mil a year stands to lose $60k on the owners proposal vs the players current one, and has lost over $100k on the shift from 89 to 70.
Lets hope the two sides get this done now.
Hey man I’m a reds fan and with a shorter season don’t count a small season out for your boys.. you know how baseball goes for the first two months
Na bruh, the pirates have a 0% chance of making the playoffs this year, even with 16 teams in… don’t give em hope when there’s no hope, a reds fan should know……..
Lol. As a Braves fan in NYC with PIT tickets on 6/2…me too. I’ve gotta see a game in that stadium.
I’m guessing that was a joke…? Like obviously there’s 0% chance you’re going to any game this year — and obviously NOT that game… seeing as the current schedule would be scrapped no matter what.
No, I had tickets purchased for 6/2 pre-C19. Considering it’s 6/18 I didn’t think I needed to state the obvious that that wasn’t happening. Just any game. Pirates game and tour of FLW’s Falling Water. Maybe next time…smh.
Idiots on all sides.
please say yes
Are they really guna pull some BS where the league offers 72 games but the union counters with 74 games, and nag about salaries down to the last penny?
Given past history the answer is yes, yes they will. These two sides have zero trust and no goodwill. They will fight to the death and beyond. Sigh.
You have to have days off. You have to put in fire breaks to prevent major outbreaks. The World Series should finish up by late October.
So how many games can you play?
The Union doesn’t care about the health of players. Their all out war against PED testing proves that. They care about money, which is why I respect the Players Union even less than I respect the owners.
Well the players are the ones who are wanting to take the PEDs, so really the union is just having the players back is a sense…. And there’s not a business executive alive who puts health before money…
Sooo boo hoo to you
They didn’t have the clean players back. Which is why it took an act of congress to get drug testing and it’s why clean players intentionally dodge testing to forcing failed tests which resulted in drug tests.
And even then Marvin Miller ripped the Union for caving to congress.
Well I for one have been in favor of the players taking PEDs.. especially now that a number of records have been broken due to PED boosted stats. It’s really the only way anyone has a shot at the HR record tbh, unless trout plays into his 40s. It’s 2020 man, all bets are on these days
you do not have to have days off. Ripken played 162 games a year for 17 or so years
With days off in the schedule
You don’t need days off, you are acting like there isn’t a Pandemic.
This isn’t the flu. Days off might prevent the spread. If a player gets the flu, he misses two or three games. If a player gets this, he misses two or three weeks. If a team gets this, their season is over. If a league gets this, baseball is shut down.
You people are acting like there is no pandemic. I said it twice because it needs to sink in.
Wondering about Trout, Snell, and others who want to be by their families, friends, etc. Even if they agree to play, this is not going to turn out well.
Look up U of Texas football — 13 players reportedly have Covid now.
Players needing time off isn’t the point, but apart from this your argument is really, really poor. The exceptional and unmatched performance of one person is not proof that players don’t need time off.
Another debate coach on a baseball blog. Fin wonderful
Fans dont understand that PEDs inflated player salaries and cost owners $$$. MLB Commish wanted testing. MLBPA pushed back until Congress forced their hand.
About the owners wanting it…. you are exactly right. Vincent’s memo in 1991 was laughed at by the Players Union, and we all know the commissioner works for the owners. In 1991 the owners said no steroids and the Union laughed at them.
If the owners and players aren’t worried about the pandemic, then you shouldn’t be worried for them.
They offer free consoling for people like you who can’t shake the fear inside your own head….
This isn’t even a fraction of the Spanish flu, and they still played every game of the season that year.
Cleatus, I’m glad that you aren’t in public health. Basing strategies on what happened a hundred years ago would be really bad policy.
I wish you would be less cavalier about the profound suffering that this pandemic has caused and is likely to continue to cause.
Remember when both sides said they weren’t going to counter anymore? Lol
So much for when and where. What a joke.
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The ‘When and Where” was a setup to file a Grievance. I like this approach of working to find common ground and agree on a deal better.
Not at all. “When and where” was when MLB wasn’t budging on their proposals. Now they have.
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Union is setting for the 66 game counter offer.
Ok they can split the difference and get it done…. see who folds … 65 games and 37.5% of playoff revenue… Play ball
And the new update is the unions offer is another disaster of the deal… they don’t want to play … maybe then they should shut down for the national emergency …. hey then lets see if the minor leaguers want to play a season with the top 3 leagues playing respectively that would be better then this crappy union offer!
Nope. That’s more than owners will accept. 62 games and zero playoff revenue to players gets it done.
The owners agreed already to 25% playoff revenue to players but I agree the owners don’t want to many more games but hopefully they can compromise this week… 65 games (middle split) and 37.5% playoff revenue (same split) to get it done
This union is the absolute worst. Why is every little negotiated point leaked out to the general public? Just meet in a room with the people authorized to make these decisions and work it out.
I don’t want to continually hear about your general incompetence and blatant ignorance of the entire fanbase constantly.
Why do you think it’s only the union doing the leaking? Here’s a leak that has made you express anti-MLBPA sentiment, but you think the owners wouldn’t leak something like this to stir up similar sentiments? It’s called negotiating, and both sides can and will (and should) do everything in their power to get what their side wants.
Please can the owners just give 5 MORE GAMES and get it DONE?
Hey, at least through all of this Tony Clark has finally gotten his spotlight.
Sounds like March all over again. If the owners wanted to tell Manfred that 60 was the max, they should have made it clear. If they did make it clear, then Manfred should have made it a “best and final”. One or both of these things didn’t happen, otherwise the owners wouldn’t be stamping their feet. From a fan’s perspective, I don’t really care if it’s 60 or 65 games…the season is still basically an exhibition as a precursor to a tainted, elongated post season. But, if you are sending someone into the room to negotiate, you darn well better give them an understanding of your boundaries and some authority to make decisions.
Players said “when and where”. Then MLB said 60 games here we go… and they still ejected it and tried to counter to the “when and where” instead of just accepting it and starting to get ready to play ….it’s sickening
Still, they’re not there yet.
Still, I agree with Steve, I don’t see how they won’t get to an agreement at this point.
Why don’t the owners just agree to this? And if they really are going to “lose $” or just want to stick it to the players going forward and make more money… then just cut FA offers by 10-20% for the next few seasons. Even if the players were aware of that type of “collusion” there wouldn’t be that much they could do about it. Players aren’t entitled to a certain offer as a FA so if owners want to recoup $ lost from this season – they can just screw the players over in the coming years and make back that $
Why do the players expect a larger part of the playoff money when that was a non starter before due to risk?
Seems like 65 games would get this done if both sides were practical. Not sure why the owners would do a 50/50 split on playoffs next year unless they already had discussed that.
So the owners say they are going to lose money on the regular season and are trying to cut that loss down to size and use the playoffs to do that even offering 25% of playoff revenue… The union responds we want half the revenue this year and next plus more concessions! Crazy, they are cutthroats and anti-fan totally here!
Play ball is right! I’m so disgusted with both sides that I’m on the edge of a cliff with a strong wind at my back.
Players are asking for too much.
the league wasted the whole month of may and a half of june with crap offers. they deserve everything coming to them!
Players have already been advanced $170 million and they want that forgiven? Don’t see that happening.
Most billionaire owners became billionaires by not giving money away.
No. They want the portion given to minimum wage players written off. Otherwise those players have already been paid for the prorated 60- 70 games for this season. The owners have agreed to this.
The owners had proposed to forgive something like 20% of it. The players’ are carrying that over into their proposal. It doesn’t sound like they are asking for a larger forgiveness, at least not as of this update.
the owners shifted $25 million from the playoff pool that both sides had agreed to, and agreed to write off $33 million of the advances.
The reason is that minimum salary players have been mostly paid their prorated salaries out of those advances, and would be playing for nothing extra, so this amount is targeted at them.
The players came back with $50M in playoff pool money plus the advance write off. It’s a number to be compromised, IMO.
Has anybody seen my baseball?
10 games adds up to about $ 250 million in player salaries but that is NOT the cost to owners. They get SOME revenue per game for those 10 games, so their net cost, if any, is much less than that.
Or are they pocketing ALL the TV revenue and not playing games so that they don’t have to pay the players?
It’s an unusual year, so do something unusual. Have a very short season, just to seed everyone into the playoffs. Yes, everyone gets into the playoffs. The 1st seed gets a first round bye. All series are 9 games. Or don’t have a regular season at all and give the byes to the 2019 League Champions. The motto for the season, “Win or go Home.”
70 is fair
Geter’ Done & Play Ball
The seventy might be fair but this isn’t:
Among the details in MLBPA’s new proposal, sources tell ESPN:
– 70-game season from July 19-Sept. 30
– $50M in playoff bonuses
– 50/50 split of new postseason TV revenues in 2021
– Forgiveness of salary advance for Tier I-III players
– Universal DH
– Mutual waiver of grievance
The owners are asking for more teams (16) to make up for losses they incur but the players shoot back we want all our pro rated salaries plus lots more …
Seems to me if the owners decide it goes to 70 games then that 50/50 split is out and they split the difference on the 25% -50% playoff revenue this year at 37.5%
Let the owners try to recoup from their losses and the players get a better deal plus more players and salary (dh) as written, young players salary relief sounds good to make both sides look better.
Something like that.
Advertising on uniforms? It will be pretty lame if players start looking like NASCAR drivers.
I can’t wait to see players reaction if their team is sponsored by Viagra. Or Hooters.
Good one… but then again Frank Thomas and more old players use Viagra they claim …. those young players will love to get to hooters I’m sure. LOL
The easiest solution. 15 games against each division opponent . In the case of the Yankees: 15 against Baltimore, Boston, Tampa Bay and Toronto ( Jays can play in Toronto, Florida or their triple A City of Buffalo)). 6 games home and home Mets. 66 and call it a day.
Has anyone seen, my old friend “MLB”? Can you tell me where it’s gone?…….
Martino is a shill for the owners, he will always take the owners side. 66 games seems reasonable with a 16 team playoff for this year.
Advertising on uniforms? God that sickens me. Soon there will be ads on the field. it’s only about the money now. i guess I was naive in believing that owners and players cared at all about the game or the fans. Sickening.
If they put ads on uniforms then hopefully they’re really small. I want to see the team logos, not corporation logos.
they are really over thinking this. it not that hard to figure out. or is this problem money wise? if they dont want to go past the normal season. easy play a good amount of games that fit that. i just have a hard time seeing why the mlb havin such a hard time with this. it really not that hard at all.
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It is not about money it is a about power, they feel if they give in here, it will give more power to the union and with the CBA lockout of 2022 looming they don’t want the union feeling they won this.
No one wins this. 2022 will be its own mess.
The only way I’d except any proposal is if the Rangers are guaranteed a playoff spot. Final offer.
BTW, is the trade deadline going to be at the end of the season (before the postseason)?
Owners propose a 34 team playoff….
The Rangers dynasty will go as follows…
2031: Rangers over Pirates
2032: Rangers over Brewers
2034: Rangers over Rockies
All you millionaires and billionaires can sit home and count your money. Summer is here, so I’ll be off to the beaches and parks. I’m good with Netflix if it rains.
Then why are you posting on this if you don’t care and won’t watch?
Ads on uniforms are disgusting and hideous. First the stupid Nike swoosh on the front of the jerseys and now this. Pathetic.
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Dude you want baseball or not? ads on the uniform is only for 2 years. We as fans will survive this, but they have to generate more revenue to be worth it to play.
People that squabble over money never give it back. They’re not going from ads to no ads, they’re going from one ad to many ads (which in fact they did when they allowed a swoosh on the front of uniforms in the first place).
But, at the end of the day, sports is so replete with advertisements that if a few million bucks a team is the pivot of this whole silly thing, so be it.
I hate my father, do you honestly believe they’re going to pick up new revenue through the uniform ad agreements and then let that revenue stream disappear in 2 years? If you do, I have a bridge to sell one.
Once the uniforms have ads, they’re there to stay.
I don’t get the outrage on things like expanded playoffs and advertising on uniforms. What does it matter if we get sports. I can’t imagine they are going to redo the entire uniform with patches all over them.
I don’t really care one way or another about the uniform ads. I was just pointing out its unrealistic to expect them to be a two year thing.
And I hope you’re right about the ads being understated. There’s a difference between a Coke symbol on the players sleeve and one right on his chest.
Sure these ads are easy to control one begun. Like NASCAR drivers have kept their ads very understated.
Straight compromise and get it done today.
The Human Rain Delay
My God, ill play 60 but not 70
FUCK OFF baseball, all of you.
The new quote by the MLBPA…
I’ve been mostly on the players’ side, but good lord. Both sides seem more interesting in dunking on the other side than getting something done. Its exhausting.
If the owners are so pissed they can fire Manfred this off-season for his incompetence for allowing this all to happen as it remains incredibly stupid that the league tried to convince people they had a deal yesterday but yet never even submitted a formal offer to the players. The players feel they have already won this no matter what happens, so why not submit a counteroffer to a proposal that never existed.
The league did not try to convince people they had a deal yesterday. People inferred something from a statement incorrectly.
“a jointly developed framework that we agreed could form the basis of an agreement.”
Anyone who reads that and says they have a done deal needs to really work on their reading comprehension.
Manfred’s comment seems accurate, as did Tony Clark’s comment.
They have a framework but not an agreement. Yet.
It’s those ‘an anonymous MLB source said that they think they have an agreement” and they have lots of media ready to carry their water with that. They know dam well there is no agreement yet. And the posturing continues.
Last week: “Tell us when and where, we just want to play”.
This week: “Ok, you told us, but that’s not good enough.”
Players: Tell us when and where
MLB; Wait a minute, we might cancel the season
MLB: Here’s a proposal. Drop the grievances, take the same amount of money, give us expanded playoffs, cut the playoff pool in half. Take it.
Media” MLB says they have an agreement
Players There is no agreement
MLB But we have an agreement
Players Here is a reasonable counter offer
MLB WE’RE LIVID
No, what I said above is literally what just happened.
Look, both sides have negotiated in bad faith. But players are just being babies right now. Why say “tell us when and where” and then reject the when and where??
Bill the Cat
MLB never gave the MLBPA a “when and where” answer, they gave another offer. I understand what you’re getting at, but there’s a HUGE difference between an ultimatum and an offer as far as what the next step on both sides would be in this exhausting exercise we have been watching.
We’re talking about 10 frickin games…if both sides can’t meet in the middle at 65 and behave like adults just cancel the season and baseball altogether. Baseball was my first love as a child and I’m still a die-hard fan but life goes on without baseball.
The players have also asked for substantially more of the playoff money
Not so much this year. They requested the playoff pool be $50M which both sides had proposed, and a split of next year’s expanded playoffs.
All numbers to be bargained away.
You act as if there is no pandemic.
Ten games is far from nothing.
Yes, there is no pandemic. Only a pre-planned make-believe pandemic that has you all fooled as you sit there taking in the “news.”
Angels & NL West
I fear that advertising patches on the uniforms for the next two years will lead to permanent advertising patches. I can’t imagine that the ad patch revenue stream will be discontinued in 2022 after the owners get a taste of it in 2020 and 2021.
It may be a small point in the negotiations but I’m not at all in favor of the advertising patches.
Angels & NL West
I suffer the same fear. It wasn’t that long ago where there one only one advertising sign at Anaheim Stadium and that was right below the Big A.
Ads on uni’s and universal DH. If they get added for 2020 and 2021, then they’re here to stay. And if that’s what they need to keep the game going, i’m fine with it.
The Owners: OK, the Players are not taking less than 100% prorated salary for games played. We can afford losses with no gate, no concessions, no gift sales, and no parking income and concessions up to a point. Most of us can afford it but the poorest third cannot afford losses beyond 60 games.
The Players: At last! Since you want to pay us, what we want, let’s increase your offer for games and agree.
Yup. That’s about it. “Tell Us When and Where” (we pick up our cheques).
Season ends by Sept 30? Done, right MLB? If not, 65 & let’s get going.
How about a 80 game playoff format and bypass those cheap regular season games all together? Make all games pay-per-view and charge $1,000 per game. Think how wonderful that would be for baseball!
PART OF NEW AGREEMENT: Yankees and Mets leave MLB to create NYBL (New York Baseball League)
How many sentences in a row can start with the word “still?” Sheesh.
“Tell Us When and Where” said the MLBPA.
“Tell Them When and Where” sang the MLBPA BS Choir.
“We Want More Money” says the MLBPA.
“We’ve Forgotten All About When and Where” sings the MLBPA BS Choir.
Wtf happened to “when and where”? Usually when you ask someone “when and where?” that is the end of the negotiation for you.
At least that’s how I perceive “when and where”
Ex… me-“It’s a beautiful day out, we need to fire up the grill and grab some beers”.
Guy- “Hell yeah, when and where?”
Me- “My house 45 mins”
Guy- “Well 45 mins and your place isn’t gonna work for me. Why don’t you come over to my place tomorrow and we can figure out a better time and location to do this damn thing”.
Not exactly how that conversation usually goes if you truly mean “when and where”
Nah, when it was apparent MLB wasn’t offering any meaningful proposals, the MLBPA was like “we give up — just tell us when and where”.
That embarrassed MLB in to finally making an offer that moved the needle and restart negotiations.
Negotiations have now restarted. That’s where we are.
Everyday they wait, 1 less game.
Season was to start March 26.
We are now in the 85th day and still need 21 +/- days to get to “camp” and get into baseball shape.
If they agree today, that makes 106 days gone from the 185-day schedule, and still leave October for the post season.
On the same pace as regular season, that allows a 70-game “season” if starting NOW.
But they are NOT going to agree TODAY.
A week from now, 63 games.
Get agreed, get in camp, get in shape, play 6/7 games per week’
The Owners 60 is feasible, the Players 70 is a dream IF THEY AGREE TODAY!.
There MUST be some days off for make-ups.
Math is absolute:
Owners PAY full pro-ration
Players GET 60 games, maybe a few more but even 30-man rosters isn’t going to get 7 games per week every week with no travel days and no bad weather in Pittsburgh or anywhere else.
Unless they agree this weekend, you can start subtracting from 70 because there won’t be a playable season otherwise.
And this is a fact:
Some teams will lose money and sell off some players making the imbalance between the Yankees/Dodgers and the bottom feeders even greater. Great for NY and LA, not so great for the heartland.
The union is looking weak right now. They have come down more than the league has come up. It’s one of the disadvantages of the players: many don’t make millions and so can’t last as long.
Clark’s responses in the last few days have been downright catty.
Advertisements on uniforms is only slightly worse than putting ‘Bed Stuy’ on them.
Jeeze, Clark negotiates almost exactly the same way I act when I’m trolling someone on the internet. Very unbecoming.
Just cancel the season
The players want a 70 game season from July 19th to Sept 30th. I’d propose a 68 game season from July 17th to Sept 27th (68 games in 73 days).
They arent going to be able to have a 20 day spring training. I’d propose some changes only for this season. Out of options players will have amnesty for the first 3 weeks of the season. Starting pitchers will only need to pitch 4 innings to qualify for a win in the first 3 weeks.
Roster sizes for the first 2 weeks will be at 32 players. Then 30 players for the next week, then 26 players plus one taxi player (the taxi player has amnesty for options)for the rest of the season. The additional players are intended to be pitchers since there will be less days off during the season.
The all-star game can be played after the 2nd round of playoffs. The two days before the League Championship Series can be used for the home run derby and the ASG. The 4 teams left in the playoffs won’t have representatives play.
The owners are losing money, so they should divide 30% of the playoff revenue equally between the 30 teams. Let the remaining 70% of the playoff revenue be divided in a formula similar to the way that they did last season.
What makes the most sense right now from a scheduling standpoint are season lengths of 60, 66, or 72 games. These take into account playing each of your division rivals 12 times for 48 games, plus each of your six counterpart divisional opponents two, three, or four games apiece, depending upon which of the three season lengths is presumably chosen.
Hopefully the Owners pull the plug on the season. The players can then get jobs at Walmart or their local McDonald’s until they have learned their lesson.