Four trades in 48 hours wasn’t enough for Padres general manager A.J. Preller. The Padres announced Monday the acquisition of right-hander Mike Clevinger, outfielder Greg Allen and a player to be named later from the Indians in exchange for a six-player package of outfielder/first baseman Josh Naylor, catcher Austin Hedges, right-hander Cal Quantrill, minor league shortstop Gabriel Arias, minor league left-hands Joey Cantillo and minor league infielder Owen Miller.
When Summer Camp was booting back up, a trade sending Clevinger out of Cleveland at a time when the Indians sat atop the AL Central standings would’ve seemed far-fetched. The club had already dealt away Trevor Bauer and Corey Kluber in the past 12 months, setting Clevinger up as a front-of-the-rotation workhorse.
Much has changed since that time, however. Clevinger drew ire from organizational higher-ups not only for breaking Covid-19 protocols but then taking a flight with the team rather than being forthcoming about his actions. That led to Clevinger being optioned to team’s alternate training site alongside Zach Plesac, who also violated protocols but was found to have done so before traveling with the club. Reports after the pair was optioned indicated that some teammates were so furious with the pair that they threatened to opt out of the season if Clevinger and Plesac were permitted to rejoin the club right away.
All the while, the Indians were receiving better-than-expected performances from other arms. Shane Bieber had already established himself as an above-average starter, but he’s ascended to bona fide Cy Young and MVP-caliber performance in the first month of play. Righty Aaron Civale has become the latest Cleveland pitching prospect to rise from obscurity to what looks like a high-end arm (3.72 ERA, 3.07 FIP in 46 innings). Carlos Carrasco is rounding back into form after last year’s frightening battle with leukemia. Triston McKenzie punched out 10 hitters in an electric MLB debut. And the aforementioned Plesac turned heads himself prior to being optioned (1.29 ERA, 24-to-2 K/BB ratio in 21 innings).
That hardly makes Clevinger expendable, but the Indians do seemingly have the depth to field a strong rotation even when subtracting one of the most talented pieces. And while Clevinger may have fallen out of favor a bit with the organization and/or teammates, there’s little denying that he is indeed among the game’s more talented arms. Dating back to 2017, the 29-year-old has compiled a 2.97 ERA and 3.43 FIP with averages of 10.2 strikeouts, 3.4 walks and 0.94 home runs allowed per nine innings pitched.
Beyond Clevinger’s high-end performance on the mound, his remaining club control only added to his allure among other clubs. He’s earning $4.1MM in 2020 — which prorates to about $1.48MM (with $617K yet to be paid) — and is controlled for an additional two seasons beyond the current campaign. For the Padres, that means that their rotation over the next two-plus seasons will feature a blend of Clevinger, Chris Paddack, Dinelson Lamet, MacKenzie Gore, Luis Patino and Zach Davies (though Davies is controlled only through 2021). It’s an enviable stockpile of arms — one that doesn’t even acknowledge the likes of Joey Lucchesi, Michel Baez and Adrian Morejon. Of course, some from that trio could yet be shipped out in trades to address other areas of need.
While Clevinger is the clear headliner of this deal — and perhaps of the entire 2020 trade deadline — he’s not the only piece going to San Diego. The Friars will also pick up four-plus years of control over the 27-year-old Allen. He’s out to a rough start in 2020 and has yet to really hit much in parts of four big league seasons, but Allen is a switch-hitting speedster with an above-average glove and experience at all three outfield spots.
He’s unlikely to push for a starting job, but Allen is a nice bench piece who can provide a late-inning jolt on the basepaths, a defensive upgrade or a more advantageous platoon matchup. He’ll need to improve upon a tepid .239/.295/.344 career slash if he’s to stick with the club into his arbitration years, but he won’t be arb-eligible until after the 2021 season, so he can be a solid reserve option next year at just north of the league minimum.
If Waldron is indeed the third piece headed to San Diego in the deal, he’s more of a long-term play than anything else. The 23-year-old was the Indians’ 18th-round pick in 2019 and posted a strong 2.96 ERA with a 57-to-4 K/BB ratio in 45 2/3 innings last year in his lone pro season. However, he did so as a college arm pitching at Rookie ball and Short-Season Class-A, where he was comfortably older than the majority of his competition. It’ll be much more telling to see how he performs against more advanced competition in 2021, but the early results are still of some note. Waldron wasn’t in the Indians’ pool, hence his inclusion as a PTBNL.
Turning to the Indians, they’ll get a high-volume return — but one that does not contain any of the Padres’ top-ranked prospects. It always seemed likely that for the Indians to move Clevinger, they’d need to acquire MLB-ready talent that can step right onto the roster. They’ll receive just that in Naylor, Hedges and Quantrill at the very least, and Miller probably isn’t too far behind.
The 23-year-old Naylor was the No. 12 overall pick by the Marlins back in 2015 and was already traded once in the deal that sent Andrew Cashner from San Diego to Miami. He’s yet to cement himself as a big league regular but has fared quite well in the upper minors. The Padres haven’t exactly given Naylor an extended audition, but he’ll now presumably receive that in Cleveland. To this point in his career, Naylor is a .253/.315/.405 hitter in 317 MLB plate appearances. That’s not eye-catching production, but scouting reports have in the past credited him with plus-plus raw power and a potentially above-average hit tool. He hit .314/.389/.547 in Triple-A last year and .297/.383/.444 in a pitcher-friendly Double-A setting a year prior.
Naylor’s long-term home on defense could be either left field or first base, but with Carlos Santana and Franmil Reyes currently occupying first and the DH slot, respectively, Naylor seems likely ticketed for left field. In some ways, this is reminiscent of Cleveland’s bet on first baseman/outfielder Jake Bauers, but the club will hope for better results out of Naylor than they’ve received from Bauers so far. There’s certainly everyday upside present with Naylor, who can be controlled all the way through 2025, but it does seem a bit surprising that Cleveland brass didn’t focus on a more established young hitter.
Also going to Cleveland is Hedges, a 28-year-old defensive standout who has never provided much offense in the big leagues. The former top prospect has shown a bit of pop — career-high 18 homers in 2018 — but in total owns just a .199/.257/.359 slash through 1339 trips to the plate with San Diego. He’s obviously not a clear upgrade over Roberto Perez, but the Indians now possess two of the game’s very best defenders behind the dish.
Hedges, in fact, is widely regarded as MLB’s premier defensive catcher. Hedges was MLB’s best pitch framer in 2019, per Statcast, and has graded out at elite levels in that regard in each season of his career. He’s also thwarted 32 percent of stolen-base attempts against him while consistently drawing above-average marks for his pitch blocking abilities at Baseball Prospectus. Hedges is controlled through the 2022 season.
Quantrill, 25, brings another former first-round pick (eighth in 2016) and top prospect to the Indians organization. He’s shined in 17 1/3 frames as a multi-inning reliever in 2020 (five runs, 18-to-6 K/BB ratio), but he also struggled in a rotation role a year ago.
Quantrill has a low-spinning sinker (which is good for a sinker, as opposed to a four-seamer, where high spin is preferred) and has generally limited hard contact well, per Statcast. He may not have found his groove yet in the big leagues, but the Indians develop more quality arms than the vast majority of teams in the league. Getting their hands on a former top pick who was once a rather well-regarded prospect could yet yield some strong results, and Quantrill, like Naylor, is controllable through 2025.
Among the pure prospects headed to the Indians in this deal, Cantillo and Arias are regarded a bit more highly than Miller, though all three rank firmly in the middle ranks of an absolutely stacked farm system. Cantillo, 20, was a 16th-round pick in 2017 who has elevated his stock with a strong showing to this point in his pro career. He split last season between Class-A and Class-A Advanced, working to a combined 2.26 ERA with 11.6 K/9 against 2.7 BB/9. FanGraphs’ Eric Longenhagen writes that he’s currently tracking as a back-end starter but has a projectable frame that could allow for further growth and add some extra life to his pitches.
Arias, also 20, is regarded as an elite defender at short with some questions about his abilities at the plate. Baseball America ranked him ninth in the deep Padres system, praising his surprising raw power but noting that his current inability to lay off breaking balls out of the strike zone leads to untenable strikeout numbers. Arias is young, though, and he hit .302/.339/.470 in Class-A Advanced last year, so the tools are clearly there. Depending on how the bat progresses, he has everyday upside at shortstop.
Miller, 23, plays second base, shortstop and third base, and he turned in a solid .290/.355/.430 showing in a very tough Double-A setting last year. Miller has hit at every minor league stop and struck out at just a 15.4 percent rate in Double-A last season. MLB.com tabs him as a potential regular at second base, citing an arm that doesn’t quite play as a regular shortstop, or a utility man who can play three infield spots with a quality bat. He’s yet to make his big league debut, but Miller is the closest of the three minor leaguers in this deal.
We might not see a more franchise-altering deal than this at the 2020 deadline. For the Indians, it’s the type of trade fans are used to, painful as it might be. They’ll shed a player whose arbitration salary is on the rise and replace him with a bevy of young talent — a luxury that was possible due to the team’s superlative record in terms of developing starting pitching. They’re still in the driver’s seat as far as a potential postseason berth goes, but the club is quite likely weaker for the balance of the 2020 campaign. The long-term benefits should help the club sustain its long run of contending seasons in the AL Central, but that’ll be more of a challenge in and of itself as each of the White Sox, Tigers and Royals near the end of arduous rebuilding efforts.
The addition of Clevinger to an already formidable Padres rotation mix only further solidifies them as a win-now club for the foreseeable future, and they’re now a clear-cut postseason favorite in the NL. And unlike the last time the Padres went on an aggressive win-now tear, the Padres have the young foundation necessary — fronted by superstar Fernando Tatis Jr. — to support their recent wave of high-profile veteran acquisitions. They’ve completed a dizzying five trades since the weekend began — including a seven-player swap with Seattle last night — to remake an already strong club. The “Rock Star” GM is back, it seems, and the Padres certainly appear to be positioned better than they have been at any time in Preller’s tenure.
Ryan Spaeder reported last night that a deal sending Clevinger to Padres was in the works, though as of last evening he’d heard of some potential holdups in the deal. Robert Murray first reported that the deal was done (via Twitter). MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, ESPN’s Jeff Passan, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Bleacher Report’s Scott Miller all broke varying elements of the other players involved in the deal (all links to Twitter).
Preller is a mad man!
Hopefully, SD doesn’t contract the “RONA” the next time Clevinger breaks protocol.
Idiot
42, just be glad you’re not a Cub fan.
So “NYY” hopes they DO contract the “RONA”!
The Dodgers should be scared. The Padres may now have the best lineup in baseball. And their starting rotation is looking pretty good. This is exciting.
Starting lineup by playoff time:
1) Trent Grisham, CF
2) Fernando Tatis Jr., SS
3) Manny Machado, 3B
4) Eric Hosmer, 1B
5) Tommy Pham, LF
6) Mitch Moreland, DH
7) Wil Myers, RF
8) Jake Cronenworth, 2B
9) Austin Nola, C
Starting rotation:
1) Mike Clevinger, RHP
2) Dinelson Lamet, RHP
3) Chris Paddack, RHP
4) Zach Davies, RHP
5) Garrett Richards, RHP
Dodgers feast on right handers
Wow, I can’t wait to see which players Cleveland are getting back from this trade. Hopefully, Luis Campusano is in the deal. He is going to be a terrific player. I know that Cleveland will be getting at least 3-4 prospects or more for Clevinger. The Indians are a smart organization.
Won’t happen
Gabriel arias seems more likely
Hmm
Cleveland did very well from this trade even though they didn’t acquire Campusano. Preller gave up a lot in this trade. They must get to the playoff because Preller is in the hot seat. He is under pressure now after trading so many prospects. It’s likely that the super team will win the division meaning the Dodgers, but they could finish second in NL West.
Francys08
Preller gave up mud. Maybe some of it will stick to the wall and some wont. I betting nothing sticks.
Cleveland loss this trade. Cleveland is full of pitching prospects buy short on Outfielders and their return was only Josh Naylor.
Owen Miller is a hidden gem but I think they needed more for Clev
Yeah, I wouldn’t be so fast to label this a Cleveland loss. They gave up two months of control of Clevinger and in return got 5+ years of Naylor control, not to mention the lesser pieces.
Josh Naylor was the least attractive player they got. Indians killed in this deal. Got another potential Ace from the Pads in Cantillo and Quantrall can fill in for Clevenger on day 1. Owens is an above average short stop prospect and Arias today is probably the best defensive SS in AL central. Oh and they got defensive catcher Hedges, best framer in the division. Naylor is the throw in.
Actually, this trade was an absolute HEIST by Preller and the Padres! 2 low top 10 prospects from the Padres organization, but no top 100 prospects overall? For Clevinger!?! That is a robbery! The only guy out of that whole deal that I will miss is Quantrill.
Not really.
Clevinger was 2 years and a month of control… not 2 months. SD won this swap big time
Who cares about Naylor’s control, he’s garbage
They gave up 2 years (not months) of control of Clevinger.
Keep in mind Clevenger has only had one healthy season in four years. Allen is a throw in. One thing Cleveland does well is evaluate talent. Clevenger and Kluber were throw aways in trades and look what they have become. Never underestimate The indians front office in deals. They, next to the rays, are one of the best.
They got quantity that’s for sure but Padres still have their top 4 in place!
Amazing.
Arias and Cantillo will be good major league players IMO.
Quantrill is already pretty good.
But as a Padre fan I’ll take it!
Being able to keep Gore/Patiño/Abrams/Campy is unbelievable!
Owen Miller is a hidden gem
So is Joey Cantillio
Imagine the look on their faces when SD players/prospects found out they are moving to Cleveland?!
Bring your parkas!
Really? How about a fresh take for a change? Yeah, CLE is cold in the winter, but last time I checked Chi-town isn’t exactly Palm Beach.
Yeah, shame they didn’t get to go to a beautiful vacation hotspot like Chi-town where the people are fleeing faster than the gunshot rounds are being fired.
Well, at least the White Sox got their free publicity out of this. Of course, Reinsdorf is still working on deals for Barry Bonds and Manny Machado.
Lol he did get
Griffey
Manny
So don’t rule out Roger Clemens
Maybe they’ll cut a terrible reliever to make room for Clevinger. Tell Theo to get ready.
Does bonehead ever offer any real baseball analysis or just the clownery? Ever? So childish.
Cheap shot, Dogbone.
wah Reinsdorf stole my binky. Wah!
Seems M’s got more for Nola. Quite strange
The “Rock Star” GM is back
How much cocaine?
Good.
We don’t want him.
Ahhh
Sniffle, sniffle.
Haha
The “i wasn’t interested in you anyway!” response to rejection
Come on
I’m one biggest Sox fans here …… clevinger is the missing link a 3rd pitcher for playoff series
Clevinger cancer would have destroyed the Sox chemistry.
Hoe is he a cancer? Because he broke league protocol and went outside the bubble?
Haha Clevinger cancer…I will take Clevinger cancer for the last 5 years over 5 straight losing ChiSox losing seasons.
Hey stop calling him hoe!
I didn’t know they grow grapes in Chicago. A little sour, but still…
ehhh..not too bad I guess lol
No Manny or Clevinger
His favorite whine.
“We” (you) didn’t. But the Chicago White Sox sure did.
No “they” didn’t. Red herring.
say it again without crying, chisox
Damn. Wonder what’s left of the farm after this one. Can’t say Preller isn’t going for it
It’s about time. They didn’t pay Machado, Hosmer & Myers for nothing!
Until recently nothing is exactly what they were paying Hosmer & Myers for.
Owen Wilson: “Wow.”
lol
Vince Vaughn: “You motor boatin’ son of a b!”
VInce Vaughn: :” Rule #76: No excuses. Play like a champion!”
Next up: Padres acquire the ’27 Yankees.
Wow, what a trade deadline for the Padres! Getting expiring players in Rosenthal, Moreland, and Castro, but also getting long-term guys like Austin Nola and now Mike Clevinger. I wouldn’t call the Padres winners yet, that just determines on what the Indians are getting back. Probably a package involving Patino, Quantrill, etc.
Moreland has an option attached to his contract for next season which will most certainly get picked up but I get what you’re saying
Moreland has a team option for next year.
Except Moreland isn’t on an expiring contract.
Moreland contract not expiring.
Their chances of winning their division are still zero thanks to the Dodgers. Good thing it doesn’t matter this year or all of these trades would only be getting them a single wild card game.
This is true, but playoff Dodgers are different than the regular season Dodgers.
0% based on the prediction of a Dodgers fan
Patino or Abrams probably included.
Great.
Not enough. Clevinger is an ace with two years of control. And cheap. Those two aren’t nearly enough, especially with at least two other farm-rich teams in the negotiations. Gotta be a major league outfielder in this, or else one of the top 2 or 3 prospects.
Patino or Abrams PROBABLY included.
Nowhere did it say JUST Patino or Abrams.
Or not.
How does Austin Nola bring back more than Clevinger?
If he manages to pull this off without one of them included it would be a minor miracle
Arias, Naylor, Quantril so far.
If that’s the case, the Indians got fleeced. Clevinger must have really upset the apple cart.
Agreed!
I like reviewing old trade comments. They make me smile
WOW
Quantril, Naylor, Arias, Hedges, Miller for Clevinger and Allen.
Pads are going for it for sure, hope it doesn’t blow up in their face like it did in 2015.
Great fit!
At the end of the day it they musta wanted more than AA was willing to give. After what Nola costed the Padres I had a feeling it wasn’t gonna happen for the Braves. All good move onto somebody else but whoever it is better be better than Millone.
Actually gonna probably need 2 guys better than Tommy.
I was all for not giving up too much yesterday because of short season….but after watching Millone last night I’m all for going after big arm like Clevinger…oh well
After watching Millone almost blow that 10 spot I was hoping we were all in for Clevinger.
Could you picture Clevinger, Soroka, and Fried 1-3 next year.
Come on AA make a deal.
since AA always operates way under the radar, I suspected the Braves were not in it as deep as the writers made them out to be
This is frustrating. Atlanta really wouldn’t top this package? I’m so aggravated right now. My interest in this season has taken a nose-dive.
I would honestly rather get Marco Gonzales and Kyle Seager. More years of control for the prospects you would give up. I agree though, would like to see them get more than one arm after Milone’s terrible outing.
wowzers…. still behind the dodgers but this now puts them in a serious ws contention. let’s see who they gave up….
We kept our top prospects to obtain a TOR arm. Needless to say, we’re mega-stoked!
This is SCARY.
So for who? I’ll guess CJ Abrams headlines the package.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they got Luis Patino also.
He’s not in their 60 man pool tho
Will they say for 4 PTBNL??? HAHA
AJ is wheeling and dealing
Will be interesting to see
They traded Trammell for Austin Nola. This is gonna cost them big.
agree…. morejon or gore?? no way right…
The Athletic just reported that Campusano and Patino are not in the deal so that’s huge for SD. No way they’d send Gore in this either
Wow. Sad that the Indians don’t care to win. It’s all about cutting star player who are about to enter arbitration.
Don’t agree at all. Clevinger wasn’t going anywhere until he disrespected his manager, teammates & organization. He brought this on himself. 100%.
So you get rid of him at the cost of the team? I’ve split my life between Cleveland and Texas and both of these teams are pissing me off now. After the Rangers don’t pay up in off season for free agents now the tribe ships ace pitchers away in the middle of a damn playoff race for players that might not pan out. And they want to trade lindor? I’m just done at this point
Brought this on himself? Seriously? So those rumours of trading lindor were brought on by himself than? Cleveland has proven to be a cheap organization and Clevinger would probably be traded anyways. There are literally 29 other teams who would love to have Clevinger so this “disrespect” thing is a little much. There will be dummies in every work place and you need to learn to work with them whether you like it or not. Its been proven in all sports that if you can keep up and play, you will. People have done much worse than Clevinger and Plesac and still played.
Exactly they are cheap asses and they just got fleeced
Lol, brought it on himself? He didn’t have to be traded and as such is now one a legit contender.
@Harvbanger:
Yeah, they showed Clev, didn’t they? Kicking him out of Cleveland and all, forcing him to move to dreary San Diego.
To be fair, this is a team that didn’t even have room for Plesac in their rotation, so they’re still in good shape pitching-wise.
+1, these fantasy baseball GMs don’t understand about dealing from depth to plug holes longterm.
Rosenthall, Mooreland and Castro are “expiring”????? Do their families know??????
nice pickup Padres, really going for it!….Come on’ Braves smh..I’m back tracking my original thought process after seeing Milone last night. We needed a legit starter like Clevinger…ugh
AJ Preller is going wilddddd
The Fernando Tatis effect
Expecting the return package heading to Cleveland to be the Padres’ entire farm system.
I’m done with the Indians now. Between them and my other hometown team the Rangers I’m just done. Cheap asses
Unless the padres gave up an insane amount, I’m very frustrated with the Braves. Guess we’ll find out who was given up soon
Now that I know the deal, Braves would never match that. Not that they couldn’t, they simply wouldnt.. that’s crazy good for the Indians. Stacking up their farm, good for them
Hedges is a superior defensive catcher who can’t hit his weight. Naylor is another dime a dozen ok bat more suited to DH duties than defense. Quantrill has played well, the other guys are well regarded but not top of the line prospects who may or may not pan out.
I like the trade for the Padres. Sorry to see Quantrill go, but it’s a great opportunity for him in Cleveland.
AJ Preller may have snorted some cocaine 48 hours ago…a lot of cocaine.
The man is a machine.
Padres are in it to win it, with this many moves they gotta at least make it to the NLCS
In a year that virtually nobody is following, Preller trading like a mad man to save his job. Padre fan since 1972, I’m done with the sport.
Great Braves. In it at the end, but nothing. Ridiculous as usual. Always a bridesmaid and never a bride.
@Eyeball: Is that what your sources tell you?
Naylor, Quantrill, Arias going to Cleveland
That doesn’t seem like a great start to the package for the Indians. Must still be a top prospect going there.
Cleveland starting out asking for an insane package. Likely 1-2 good everyday guys +2 of a teams top 5 . Teams like WhiteSox/Braves/Jays balked and walked away.
Padres stuck around until they lowered their price to a realistic level , then then Cleveland pulled the trigger to prevent Padres from walking also.
Glad we (Jays) didn’t go there.
Preller stole Clevinger if that is the package.
It’s Clevinger and Greg Allen for Owen Miller, Austin Hedges, Gabriel Arias, Josh Naylor, Cal Quantrill and Joey Cantillo
A Pads-Dodgers playoff series would be extremely interesting now.
G1 Kershaw/Lamet
G2 Buehler/Clevinger
G3 May/Paddack
G4 Stripling?/Davies
Definitely rooting for that series to happen even as a Giants fan.
Dodgers are still better no matter who Padres trade for. The trades that were made don’t make much of a difference.
Austin Nola is the best hitting catcher in the bigs this year. Probably wont be the same story in 2021 but his offense is solid and he’s on a role which means that much more in this sprint of a season.
I wouldn’t sneeze at these upgrades.
not convinced
They were the best team 3 seasons ago as well and still have nothing to show for it.
Some truth – the Dodgers main strength is the incredible depth they have. Less relevant in the playoffs, which can be a crapshoot. The 5 game series can go anywhere let alone the wacky 3 game series this year. Last year, I thought that the Nationals would be the toughest opponent in a five game series because of their Big 3 starters. Then of course you had the Astros cheating a few years back. Boston was the better team. A bounce here or there and the Dodgers may have had at least one ring. I don’t think you go all in to win one world series.
Sour grapes
wow go figure
Whatttt wasn’t expecting SD. Gore going back to CLE?
Gore for Clevenger 1 for 1
they didn’t seem to think so
……..while Drew Waters breathes a sigh of relief.
The Pads had to give up one of their top 5 prospects at least, right? Has to be Campusano since most of the Padres top prospects are pitchers and the Indians are exceptional at developing their own prospects.
Jeff Passan sating Naylor, Quantril and Arias so far…
Preller is going for broke. Safe to say that if this shopping spree doesn’t get them at least to the NLCS it’s probably his swan song.
Well at least they won the 2020 Trade Deadline
Is their a penalty flag for that
Let’s wait and see what SD gave up.
However, so many posters were trolling Preller/SD on other threads for failing to address seemingly SD’s weakest link, which was the rotation. The rotation is performing OK as it is, but this is a big time addition.
I’m not Preller’s biggest fan, but people are far too quick to pass judgment. He’s addressed most, if not all current holes in the roster.
100%
And to think… The Angels traded him away for Vinnie Pestano and his 4.96 ERA and 1.50 WHIP in 21.1 innings.
Not only was AEW all in, the Padres are all in as well. Just have to hope the Pads don’t falter after all these moves.
Hope for the Padres sake gore isn’t in the deal. Guy looks like the second coming of Kershaw
Padres petitioning the league to allow for 50 man active rosters and 3 catchers on the field at the same time.
Well this woke me up. Holy crap! Just holy crap!
This has to mean Lynn is now going to either Atlanta, Sox, Jays, or Twins. And this Clevinger trade might let Jon Daniels keep his job, here’s why. JD needs to trade Lynn and get a good return for the life of him. Maybe this Clev trade will show the other GM’s that maybe JD’s asking price on Lynn wasn’t too high. Just a though.
Another thing: When was the last time a super active team like this won a championship because of it? I feel like when a team does this, it isn’t a good thing for some reason. Maybe the new atmosphere, but I always remember these types of teams doing poorly.
LOL – the way the Padres as going, they might just go ahead and take Lynn too…
Too many new players is definitely a concern, as far as messing with team chemistry and with players adjusting to different leagues/cities/teammates.
@rangers29 do you really want to trade Lynn? I mean the team is bad, but what are you realistically going to get for him considering what the tribe just got for clev? Jon should have been gone after the fiasco in the off-season and not getting any good players after telling everyone they are saving money for free agents. I’ve lost respect for Cleveland and the Rangers now. They are both just cheap
I posted this before the ludicrous return for Clev. I still think we should trade anybody of value (maybe pair Lynn and Gallo if it gets us more), and start our official rebuild. Rangers fans want it more than you would think. Right now we are just peddling with the inevitable.
I dont think Gallo will bring much of anything. He seems to be having a down year, and never really was an average hitter, just power. Jon has a habit of holding on to players that may or may not pan out. Could have gotten. A kings random for Gallo at one point, same back in the day with profar. Not to go too far down memory road, but what might have happened if Mark Cuban bought the team instead of Nolan Ryan way back when…Now we are stuck with a shiny new stadium and a garbage team to play in it.
I think despite his average, Gallo is still a really good player. Terrific defense, great arm, he ran run bases well, he’s fast, he walks a ton, and if he could just get a few more hits and sit at a mere .240 average, he’d be considered a star. I think a team would pay a lot for that.
For the record I’m neither an Indians fan or a Padres fan. But I think this a very shred trade by Cleveland. This team is extremely deep in quality starting pitching. Now was definitely the time to trade Clevinger. They badly need some outfield bats and I’ll bet that’s what they got back in return.
I would think they got 2 or 3 lefty starter prospects for him. Morejon and Weathers. The Tribe is rebuilding from 1st place.
Holly Cow, this team Is ready for next year for sure because in 2020 they’re going no where, sorry Padres fans
So we’re built for next year but absolutely not this year? Ok lol
Tribe still has Ricky Vaughn and Willie Mays Hayes available
I am not at all concerned about the breach in COVID protocol by Clevinger, as some are. It was a big mistake and I believe he came out of it with a better outlook on how it can affect everyone around him. Now let’s see what the Padres gave up!
Padres fans warning – Clevinger is a very good pitcher and you will like his results, but he does this creepy, obsessive rocking thing before every pitch that makes him really hard to watch. Radio only for his starts – you are welcome.
Never saw him pitch before, so I pulled up archived video. Rocking thing doesn’t bother me.
I personally love the rocking thing, anything to throw off hitters’ timing
Yeah it’s called messing with a batters timing and seems to work.
I never said anything about whether he should do it or whether his OCD is a positive for his pitching outcome – it just makes me jumpy watching him.
I’ll bet he’s done that since he was a kid in little league. Who cares as long as he can pitch.
Clevinger, Greg Allen, and PTBNL for Quantrill, Arias, Castillo, Hedges, Naylor, and Miller to the Tribe.
Indians got more quantity than quality.
And they didn’t really address their screaming need for a stud OF. Naylor might be that guy some day, but he isn’t right now. Disappointing to see what came back in the deal.
Deadline is not over & Plesac is still there in the doghouse as well. Could definitely see him being moved for a young OF with a couple of years of cost control.
Brian Goodwin?
Joking I know it would be more than that.
Quantrill is honestly the only major league player I will miss out of that bunch. Maybe Hedges’ defense too, but that guy is so obviously overmatched at the plate most of the time it’s ridiculous.
Just another solid take by Dr. Dan! Miller, Arias and Cantillo can be future contributors, but I like this deal for a multitude of reasons! Go Pads
Cal and Josh on the move to CLE plus more! They got a good return here…
Naquin, Arias & Quatril damn Preller got raked for Bola then he steals Clevinger
How on earth did Preller get this done without giving up any of Gore, Patino, Campusano and Abrams? Gave up a ton of quantity it looks like but seems like SD is keeping their top guys
Smooth criminal…
NEVER GO FOR QUANTITY OVER QUALITY. This deal seems like a Padres fan tried to throw something together while keeping all their best prospects that would get proposed on these comment sections. Indians, wyd?
Quantrill and Naylor have proved they can at least contribute in the majors, and still have the potential to develop into really good players. There’s something to be said for that compared to the risk of prospects who might never make it at all. Especially for a team like the Indians that’s a contender this year and next year.
Except you don’t trade a stud pitcher with 3 years of control for a couple of guys who can at least contribute in the majors. Or have a chance at being good players. You trade him for a Gore, Abrams, etc.
Two years and one month, and they acquired him for Vinny Paestano who gave the Angels nothing in his time there.
Don’t forget Austin Hedges
Remember the Mendoza line? Mario would hit around .200 each year. That is history. Its now the Hedges line around .170 although Hedges has not reached that average yet.
Career .199 …but we will actually miss him. Crazy to think and/or say, but it’s true.
Good teammate, and a good guy. But when it comes to winning, you need players that produce. Hedges just has not done that for the Padres offensively. They need that offensive production from the catcher position and it’s best for both parties they have moved on. Good luck Austin!
I don’t like the beginning of this package yet… Don’t pull a Kluber 2.0
Seems like a CC trade all quantity and luckily we developed Michael Brantley out of that deal as the PTBNL. Cliff Lee Trade is another quantity that tools years to recoup a single solid player in Cookie. This was a Covid Dump right now. Lindor is up next for 8 PTBNL, probably to an American League team we are competing against this year. Plesac will remain in the minors to teach him a lesson, which is stupidity at this point.
What the devil????? AJ Preller is on something that hasn’t been invented yet.
Preller gets fleeced. Then Preller fleeces. He is volatile as you can get.
Say you’re 14? It shows.
What did I communicate that you perceived as childish in my comment?
Your username lol.
I’m not sure he was referring to that. He was directing his words at my original comment.
Maybe he’s coming on to you, thinking you’re really 14!
I really am 14, so he would be correct in that scenario.
csspackler
Because you are five and it shows.
Fleeced how? He basically traded Nola for Trammell. Trammell is now on hos 3rd team.
WHAT?! THAT’S IT! I posted a comment earlier of how this might dictate Lynn’s return. I now have a bad feeling.
Wow. This makes me feel so much better about the Sox going after a frontline starter. If this sets the market, Kopech/Vaughn/Madrigal/Dunning aren’t going anywhere.
La la la la la la la.
Kopech, Madrigal, and Dunning were never going anywhere. I’m a huge Vaughn guy, but I could see him going the other way.
Awful return I thought they had a high price on him
What I really want to know is how does @hockeyjohn feel about this trade? The Friars gave up a lot. I guess Atlanta didn’t want to give up as much. I think the Indians did well here. I imagine they wanted Luis Patino or CJ Abrams as part of the package at lst. Shocked either one wasn’t in the trade.
Yank4life, like any trade, we will have to wait and see. We also need to see if they add another outfield bat before the deadline. Looking at the trade, it is similar to the Bauer return from last summer. The Indians value defense at the catcher position and they now have probably the two best defensive catchers in baseball in Hedges and Roberto Perez. Quantrill should help this season in the bullpen. I am not excited about Naylor as he is not strong defensively, but he should help the outfield. I have heard positive reports from various sites on the three prospects. The Indians know what type of pitcher fits their system so I will be interested to see what they can do with Cantillo. Overall, I am not jumping for joy, but I do have faith in the Indians front office so I am willing to see what will happen.
@hockeyjohn- truthfully shocked that Cleveland didn’t get a Luis Patino or a CJ Abrams out of this trade for Clevinger. It would of been crazy to trade Lindor now, but wondering if Abrams and Patino could of both been had also in doing so. Not as high on Quantrill as everyone else. I think Morejon would have been better. I do feel the Indians definitely improved though. I like Naylor, and Hedges a lot. The other prospects acquired would of definitely been rated higher in other organizations. And your right it will take a few years before seeing who won this trade. So we can’t be quick to judge. And it was smart to hang on to Zach Plesac considering the years of control. Worst case scenario this season you don’t win the division. You’ll definitely be in the playoffs and anything can happen then. The Yankees can’t beat the Rays even with Cole now I’m worried. lol. Have a great day
Yank4life, Cole worries me too. He is on my fantasy team. Cole and Judge are killing me. I am surprised that the Yankees did not do anything. As far as the Indians and Padres deal, the Indians have made out very well in them. Brad Hand and Adam Cimber for Francisco Meija. Cleveland still has both relievers and the Padres just traded for two catcher to replace Meija. Indians got Framil Reyes last year as the main piece in the Bauer deal and the Padres just traded their only piece from that deal for relief pitching. I am willing to wait and see on how this deal works. out. I trust Indians president Chris Antonetti and GM Mike Chernoff. I always figured that they would hang on to Plesac. A small market team can not afford to trade 5 years of control of a solid MLB pitcher.. You too have a great day.
@hockeyjohn- lol. Yes, being a Yankee fan is the worst thing right now, trust me. Nothing exciting at all, losing to Tampa all the time. Trying not to walk to close to the ledge. I’m not only surprised about the Yankees not making a trade yesterday I’m peeved about it. Why not Joe Musgrove? Am I overrating him? Maybe he is hurt or something? So confused. I wonder if the the cheapskate Braves would of offered the Indians Cristian Pache or Drew Waters, Bryse Wilson, Kyle Muller, Braden Shewmake and William Contreras for Clevinger? Would you have preferred that kind of a deal? Shocked Atlanta didn’t try harder for Clev. So surprised because it could of made them so much better. Do you think, that would that have been better for you guys? Look’s like Braves fell asleep yesterday like the Yankees did. Didn’t want Lance Lynn here so I guess I should be happy. Very excited to be able to keep Deivi and Schmidty here. Their future looks good. Unfortunately they can’t hit for us right now. Good talk. Be well.
Clev will give you 5 innings- 100+ pitches- and will drive you crazy watching him. Hope your BP is up to it
That’s exactly what they all said about Trevor Bauer
That’s true. Maybe going to the NL will help
Oh my God we needed outfielders and we didn’t get outfielders
I don’t think the Tribe wanted to deal Clevinger to the Sox, from the looks of it. We should’ve been able to beat that package.
Oh well, maybe we’ll acquire Lance Lynn when it’s all said and done.
Indians: we want Grisham or Cronenworth
Preller: Nope
Indians: We have better offers!
Preller: Take them.
Indians: Alright. We want Gore, Patino, or Abrams to start the package
Preller: No
Indians: alright alright alright Campusano or Morejon
Preller: No
Indians: alright alright alright what else you got?
Preller: Naylor, Miller, Hedges, Arias, and Cantillo
Indians: that’s it?
Preller: Yup.
Indians: alright alright take him and Greg Allens little batting average too.
I think you nailed out. They started off asking for the Moon and teams like the Sox/Jays/Braves hung up , the Padres stuck around and when push came to shove Cleveland wanted him gone so they took the Padres reasonable offer before they too walked.
Padres fan here. Happy with this trade. Feel like Arias is the biggest piece and he has not played above A ball. Also iffy with walks and strikeouts. Good power, could develop into MLB regular, but his position is blocked and probably will be for quite a while.
Lol Indians really went quantity over quality for their best trade chip? We’ll just take 2-3 high quality prospects for Lynn, please and thank you.
BTW I think we may see one more trade from Preller before the deadline.
seems like a mediocre return, but the package just lacks a true header. lots of total talent going to Cleveland though.
It’s kind of like the opposite of the Brad Hand/Meijia trade in that there SD just went for a single top prospect and here CLE here went for 3 guys around Top 10 in the system plus some useful MLB pieces (Obviously Clev has more value, just saying CLE spread out the return more)
I like it for SD because they didn’t give up any top tier talent, but odds are long term CLE is going to hit on some of these guys so it’s not like the return is peanuts.
yeah, thats what i like about it. works for both sides. SD can liquidate some prospect depth and make a big splash while CLE capitalizes on SD’s deep system by adding a bunch of their guys that are otherwise burried in the depth chart (save Q and Naylor, having already logged decent time this year) both sides can be happy about this.
Great thread, I think you two nailed down the facts of the situation!
Very disappointed at the moment with Atlanta , I expect Lynn , Bundy. and Seager now!
I wouldn’t get your hopes up. I did last night when Atlanta was reportedly “aggressively” pursuing Clevinger. Today I’m disappointed.
Expect Joe Musgrove.
Very disappointed at the moment with Atlanta , I expect Lynn , Bundy, and Seager now!
Makes no sense for the Indians unless they want to clear a rotation spot for Plesac maybe.
Shouldn’t Naylor and Quantrill be going to Cleveland? Not to the Padres
Amazing package for the Indians. I hate to see them hurt their chances in 2020 by trading Clevinger, but this is one of those franchise-altering hauls.
Great job Antonetti. The inclusion of Owen Miller tells me that either Miller or Yu Chang will be starting for the Tribe at SS in 2021. After the even bigger haul for Lindor comes in the next 6 to 12 months.
Ya right. Cleveland did not get enough.
Tito, if he’s still there, is going to be orgasmic over Owen Miller, a poor man’s Dustin Pedroia (I wonder if Miller plays cribbage).
Overall, a pretty good “get” for the Indians. They actually got more than I thought they would; don’t undersell Cantillo. Ya, it’s quantity over quality, but it’s pretty good quantity.
I agree. Quantrill is a guy who has the makeup to be a starter and a very good one. SD was using him out of the pen this year, which I really don’t understand.
Cantillo has pitched very well against competition 2 to 4 years older than him. Don’t ever underestimate that when the Indians get a “throw-in” young pitcher in a trade, that guy is eventually going to be a star in their system.
Look back in 4 years and people will be saying “why did the Padres throw in Cantillo in that deal”?
Q out of the Pen was more of a good thing…. we needed somebody to seize the opportunity out there, we trusted Cal to get it done and he was doing it. Agreed on Cantillo, dude will probably be a high-end fourth or fifth starter in a couple years. Nasty change and a great Uncle Charlie.
So by the MLB Pipeline prospect list, the Padres got Clevinger and didn’t have to give up a top six prospect. That’s incredible. They did get 3 in the top 11, but none in the top six. I never thought that would be enough.
Man…. on the “ where I want to live” front. You have got to feel for the guys going FROM San Diego TO Cleveland! Ugh
Cleveland is the Paris of Eastern Ohio.
Youngstown begs to differ!
Those ex-Padres will now all “opt out”!
The artist formerly known as “ChiSoxCity”
You have no room to insult Cleveland when you come from the lovely dump of the south side of Chicago. The pot should not call the kettle black. Remember this.
South side Chicago > yo grandmamas basement
Idk my grandma has a pretty nice basement!
But lemme get a Chicago style dawg and a deep dish pizza. Man we live in an urban paradise! Faaawk then doctors telling me My arteries are getting clogged. They ain’t from the southside they don’t know how strong my arteries is.
But man how bout them Sox????? Fawk da cubbies those rich bastaaaads ain’t got nothing on us!!!! You got $2 on you so I can pick up a pack of Marlboro’s????
I would be a bit upset going to Cleveland. At least they have the Great Lakes
They have Lake Erie and the Cuyahoga River.
Lol. Well the Real Estate is much cheaper in Cleveland.
You get what you pay for.
the NL West has larger ball parks. His numbers will likely improve.
Franmil Reyes went there last year and loved it, same with Carlos Santana requesting a trade back there. Not many people trying to move to Mayor Beetlejuice’s Chicago.
Cleveland got a ton of good talent here. Don’t like it for the Padres at all. Even if 2-3 of these guys work out, it’ll be a win for them. I don’t expect Clevinger to be a good for SD as he was for Cleveland.
K, yeah they gave up valuable pieces but Got to give to get. Quantrill and Cantillo will rise from the rest the but Ryan Weathers and Luis Patino are still Padres. Anderson Espinoza and Pedro Avila will move into the void left. Reggie Lawson and Cole Wilcox behind that.
In all these deals the Pads gave only a few that most fans didn’t expect to get traded. It funny how the rub on the Padres system was it was overrated and nothing to show and now people are saying their system has been gutted. Please
Arias became expendable with Cronenworth. Cal and Joey hurt, but they will survive. With Moreland, Pham, Myers, Grisham Cronenworth,, Naylor has nowhere to play. Hedges had nowhere to play with Nola and Castro. Cantillo is the most painful
Rule 5 protection just got a lot easier.
Lots of great points in there, jedi. Everyone moving to Cleveland was essentially blocked in SD…. and people forget how good our 2020 Draft was. I’m excited for Wilcox; this expedites his road to the Bigs. He’s almost ready, too.
How can you not like this for San Diego? They basically gave up Arias for Clevinger. They didn’t even deal one of their prime prospects.
Sorry Cleveland fan
Fantastic news for White Sox fans
I can’t believe that the Padres got Clevinger without giving up at least one of Gore, Patino, Abrams, Campusano. Again, Preller & co. traded some players that were blocked at the big league level for years to come and got their #1 starter and a decent OFer who can come in late defensively and pinch run.
This deal could be a win for both teams, but getting the best player currently goes to the Padres. I am not overly concerned about any of the guys they traded away this weekend and today, my biggest concern is how these deals are going to affect the clubhouse. Lets hope Tingler can keep this wave rolling with all of the new guys.
Thank you Padre ownership for allowing Preller & Co. the leash to add to this team, the most exciting Padre team any of us fans have seen in quite sometime.
Amazing how the Cleveland fans thought they would get a major haul for Clevinger who as the posts grew probably wouldn’t have gotten back Ted Williams in his prime in return!
Trading a player like Clevinger and getting a career ,199 hitting catcher and fat OF prospect and a teams 8,14 and 16 ranked prospect seems like your just filling the 40 man roster…I’m sure the Twins and CWS are clapping right now.
Clearly you haven’t been paying attention to Josh Naylor in 2020. He’s not fat and Wayne Kirby has coached him up in Spring training. He’s not the liability he once was. He’s serviceable to get the bat in the lineup. He just had no chance to get on the field in San Diego with Moreland here
Serviceable? The Indians needed a major league outfielder not someone who is serviceable or wil have a good career.
he meant Phat not fat
Dolan is…less money out of his pocket book. Now if we can only trade Lindor for a bunch of PTBNLs…..
I’m baffled that Cleveland would trade Clevinger and not receive a top notch outfielder in return.
They got quite a haul for him man… and the beauty of getting a haul this good, his they can flip some of these guys for what they need in the future. I can’t imagine that what the Braves offered as anywhere close to this ballpark
Naylor had a nice digital resume. He will turn out to be average.
The FO should clearly see from recent experience that holes don’t fill themselves. Their bullpen in 2018 didn’t fix itself, and their screaming needs in the OF this year haven’t just gone away either. I’m not complaining about the return, but the fact that they didn’t address an immediate need in this blockbuster is irritating
WHEEL… OF… PADRES!!!
Now that all the names are out The Padres got fleeced again. Sure doesn’t help much this year but they do have Plesac in their back pocket to get the bat they surely lack.
Fleeced how? Now of the prospects are in their top 5 and moat of not all we blocked for years to come.
Braves have to try and add schoop, lynn, bundy , and brave fans will be happy
Really disappointed the Braves couldn’t beat this offer, unless it was Waters or no dice it’s hard to believe they couldn’t come up with something better…
Great job of loading up the farm over the last 5 years but goddamn is the mismanagement of that farm depth frustrating. Guess I should just be a Gwinnett Stripers fan?
The Indians will turn Cantillo into another stud pitcher. It’s just what they do. You might even see Quantrill take a big leap forward.
Naylor confuses me a bit. I suppose he’s the eventual Carlos Santana replacement. One of Miller or Arias will be a starting middle infielder for Cleveland next season. It was also pretty obvious that Cleveland needed another catcher. They love defense so Hedges certainly fits.
Good job by Preller to keep all of his top guys. But the Indians did get talent here
Naylor will reunite with his little brother and play together for years.
Crazy good deal for the Indians. Lot to work with… might be able to flip some of those guys for better players later
Well… SD has their shades on and pushing all the chips to the center. I admire the grapes, but I am glade that The Rays’ don’t have that type of moxy. This could ruin a franchise if it doesn’t work out. Best of luck Padres. If nothing else, this Is very entertaining.
And they’re STILL not gonna win the WS.
Deja vu again for the Braves. Same results every year!
i guess you would have swapped Acuna for him, right?
BTV rates this trade as fair, with a total estimated value of $38.9M going to SD and $34.6M going to CLE. However, Arias is Rule 5-eligible, so once CLE adds him to the 40, his value will increase, closing that gap to $38.0M going to CLE.
5.6 FIP 4.5 bb/9 and 2.0Hr/9
The Padres better hope that was due to a small sample size!
track record shows that’s likely small sample size.
Nice job by both teams.
Quantrill & Naylor were two of the four guys I wanted back for Betts, so there is value there. Some of the earlier trades by Preller were premature, since SD wasn’t there yet, but I think this is the right time to move in.
And, while I like Quantrill a lot, this won’t cripple SD in the future .
yeah Q and Naylor stand out as guys poised for breakouts with some good playing time.
Can’t wait until Naylor’s brother advances and joins him in Cleveland.
2 average Naylor’s on one team! What a sight it will be!
Wrong. The younger brother is the Tribe’s #3 prospect, has a great hit tool, and is steadily improving his catching skills.
Don’t waste your breath on the fantasy baseball GMs that obviously aren’t the Tribe fans you routinely see around here.
Padres better hope all of these guys gel quickly. Better teams than this have faltered because of bad chemistry. Team chemistry takes time to build. There is only one month left until the playoffs.
It’s a two-month season, everybody’s wearing a mask, and it’s not like they can hang out that much, so I don’t think chemistry will apply much until next year.
This is exactly when chemistry matters most. And I am talking about team chemistry, not personal friendship chemistry. Baseball chemistry is when fielders know what their teammates are going to do before they do it. You can’t just pit a bunch of players out there and call it a team. Guys have to be able to work together and complement each other. it could happen in a month, but it will not be easy. Especially with this many new people joined together.
Preller should have already learned that when he acquired the Uptons, Kimbrel, Kemp, and all the other big names back n 2015. That disaster did not last long.
I am a little worried about team chemistry too, but all of the Padres position players are still intact except for the catching position, unless Preller & Co. make a deal for LFer, which I am not expecting with Pham hopefully coming back before the end of the year.
As far as all of the incumbent and new pitchers throwing to Nola and Castro, that would be my biggest concern on the field.
As a Padre fan, I have to hope that Hosmer, Tatis Jr., Pham and Machado have enough pull in the clubhouse to bring these guys together in a short time. Hosmer was brought in for his leadership and from everything i see/read, Moreland is a pretty solid guy too, so he should help with the transition. This is where Tinglerand the coaching staff are going to earn their money.
Chemistry can be a bit of a concern, but on the other side, the players have to be thrilled that they have better players to make a stronger run too.
I’d be nervous turning over the entire catching corps at once like that. It’s gonna take time for the P’s and C’s to get on the same page.
That’s my worry, too. Usually I’d say chemistry schmemistry, but the Padre catchers now have zero experience with the Padre pitching staff.
San Diego is going for win now mode for this year – now if Clevinger can actually be a better pitcher in the playoffs.. current ERA is 4.50 .. then maybe this will be worth it. Padres didn’t give up 1-6 of their top prospects but didn’t give up quite a few players. I guess we will see in September or October of this was worth it.
It’s really not a traditional “win now” move because their entire starting lineup is under contract next year as well as their top 4 SP.
The majority of their acquisitions have controllable years. For free agency they only lose like Yates/Rosenthal in the pen, Richards in the rotation, and Profar who is filling in at LF while Pham is down, but aside from that everyone of any importance is controlled next year too.
They had to give up a lot of guys ranked 5-15 in the farm to do it but they still have most of their elite prospects, so it’s not like they sold their entire future for a one year shot.
Underrated smart way to address their upcoming prospect roster crunch.
Underrated and smart way to respectfully address the situation behind the situation… well done.
Anthopolous… Ugh… If you’re scared, just say you’re scared.
He won’t reply to your comments until you can correctly spell his last name, so it’ll be awhile.
He doesn’t deserve the time it takes me to Google the correct spelling of his name. Had he gotten Clev, I’d have taken the time to look it up so I could give him kudos. He we are though, so…
Am I the only one that realized the Naylor brothers are now on the same team
Well, I didn’t even know there were any Naylor brothers, so yeah probably.
Nope. I thought, you know this could be the 2nd pair of brothers (at least as far as I know) that the Indians could have playing together. The Alomar’s being the other. Plus it’s kind of ironic that R. Alomar started in SD as well. For those who don’t follow young players until practically everyone knows who they are: The “other” Naylor brother is Noah (Bo) Naylor who was drafted by Cle in ’18.
In the beginning, Sandy was a Padre prospect, too.
Man I hope the braves don’t read this comment section.
Cantillo may be a huge add for CLE. he was burried in the SD system and in most other systems might be a #1 SP prospect. that guy could be better then anyone else in the SD system, he just doesnt have the hype that Morejon, Gore, and the rest do
He is also missing about 4-5 mph off of his fastball compared to them.
YES!!! I don’t care about anything else in this trade other than to say GOOD RIDDANCE HEDGES!!!
Tribe has a fixation with glove first catchers who struggle to hit even .150, so he’s right up their alley.
It is those same catchers that are very important to their pitchers. I will not argue with that at all.
Can anyone share their perspective on OF Greg Allen? Thanks.
Pinch runner. Late inning defensive upgrade.
Great attitude and hustles like nobody’s business. Good speed and glove, but I honestly don’t think he’ll ever hit enough to be any more than a 4th or 5th OF which is what he was in CLE
Maybe going home to San Diego will give him a boost?
Nah, probably not.
Good assessment, bang on, he was one of about five 4th/5th OF types and was totally expendable.
Naylor is 23 years old with time to improve. Framil Reyes continues to improve as he is hitting .296 currently and has been a major offense piece for the Indians while Trammell is already gone for the Padres. Cleveland did well in the Hand trade while Meija continues to struggle. Phil Maton has done well in the Indian bullpen this season, while the Padres had to go trade happy to try to fix theirs. Cleveland has done very well in their trades with the Padres.
Hopefully this trade will help both teams as that is what a trade should do. I will not doubt Cleveland ‘s front office on their return here as they are one of the best in baseball.. They have earned my trust. Go Tribe!
+1
He was considered a decent prospect at one point.. he was actually one of the guys that was supposed to go to MIL in the LuCroy deal that never happened.
He has performed like a 4th OFer. Good speed and athleticism. Hit and Power has not been there at the majors or upper minors. Maybe the Pads see more potential than that though. Worth a flyer as a late bloomer.. floor is a pretty good 4th OFer.
Okay, good job Tribe FO, turning excess into long-term value with the addition of short-term impact! Their BP has been good but they desperately needed another big arm and Quantrill (throwing 95mph with good control) will step right in as a 7th or 8th inning guy. The Tribe’s pitching gurus are salivating over the chance to work with Cantillo, and Miller (with his good bat) could possibly be the starting second baseman next year, or the following at the latest. Naylor’s bat will play somewhere, eventually, OF, 1B, DH, but not sure he slots into LF immediately.
I think that Antonetti and Chernoff got this done early today so that they can focus on adding a OF bat. There aren’t too many out there, but there’s a few rebuilding teams that will move a current regular to get a few prospects, of which Cleveland has more than enough to entice. For example: D-backs’ Peralta and Marte, Giants’ Yaztremski, Angels’ Goodwin…they also have the prospects to add another BP arm…I don’t think they’re done yet…
Does this mean we can reasonably expect Plesac will be inserted into the rotation to make up for Clev’s spot?
Would say so. Split the two troublemakers up and the other one will fall in line.
I would think so. The Indians have stated he is not being punished, there was just no immediate need for him.. I guess we will find out shortly if that is true!
Yes, already announced his spot in rotation.
Anybody have an idea of where my old friend Alvin77 has gone?
I’d like to speak with him.
Chipmunks only typically live 4-5 years
It would’ve been nice to see the Sox get Clevinger, but it never seemed overly realistic given the situation in the Central right now. Good news at least is that he’s out of the AL.
Hope the Sox go get Lynn.
They must really like Greg Allen
Quantrill can start for tribe. Hedges is great catcher. Needs good hitting coach…support…padres were always trying to fix him. Naylor is not LF…At least he is not a good one. He will cost you runs out there. He is not an athlete. He should play first base or DH.
Way too soon to suggest Cleveland was fleeced. Not only did they get some good talent they’ve also set themselves up for another trade for a bat in the offseason.
+1
The only question is how long will it take for so many new faces to gel with their new team in SD. This is a major disruption to a clubhouse that was having a lot of fun and worked well together. If Clevinger can come in and dominate then it’s probably worth it but in this short season, the Padres don’t have the luxury of waiting 2-3 weeks for these players to find their groove together. Ballsy moves by Preller but it’s nice to see a team throw caution to the wind and go for it in such a crazy season.
As a White Sox fan, I was a little torn about whether I wanted them to get him. On the one hand, obviously, there’s the current (massive) upgrade to the rotation; on the other, I expect he would have cost one of Madrigal or Vaughn, along with Dunning or maybe Stiever, with a bunch of other guys to boot. I’m glad he’s out of not just the division, but the AL, if he’s not going to the Sox. A little surprised Cleveland didn’t get any of their top prospects, though. I expected a really big name or two in the return package.
The packages you mention from the Sox are WAY more than what the Indians received from the Padres. Vaughn by himself is probably worth more than all the players the Indians got. What amazes me is that Cleveland has all that great pitching and no hitting, and they did not get a single great hitter in this trade. Helps the Sox by getting Clevinger out of Cleveland, and the Indians did almost nothing to help their offense.
I am a Sox fan and would have done Vaughn straight up for Clevinger, maybe with Lopez and someone else of little value. Clevinger was the only pitcher I would deal Vaughn for, because he is truly elite, and under contract for a couple more years. My guess is the Sox do nothing, which is better than a dumb trade although a bit disappointing. The Padres absolutely fleeced the Indians in my opinion… a topline starter for this year and 2 more, without giving up any top prospects? I am dumbfounded by why the Indians did not insist on getting more for him, it’s hard to see how a deal with the Yankees for a couple of hitters would not have been a ton better for them in terms of talent in return. Padres looking great, clear winner in this trade by enormous margin.
Here’s the thing: you say the Padres fleeced the Indians and I agree, but who would have been a comparable package from the White Sox? Sox prospects are basically in three tiers: elite (Madrigal, Kopech, Vaughn), solid (Dunning, Stiever, Crochet, Kelley), and the rest. There are pretty steep drop-offs, IMO, between each tier. To justify trading him intra-division, Cleveland would have had to get a top-tier and second-tier guy. And, honestly, it would have been a fair trade. I don’t think Cleveland gives up Clevinger for three playoff runs for just Vaughn…although, considering how they got hosed, maybe I should revise that to be, I don’t see how a competent team would trade Clevinger for just Vaughn.
I love how, no matter what the Tribe organization does, when they do something like this, all their rivals say, “Goody! Cleveland got hosed!”
And yet, there Cleveland sits, in first place.
The joke is constantly on those who underestimate the Tribe’s deep thinkers. Owen Miller and Joey Cantillo would be top ranked in any other organization outside of San Diego, and Quantrill and Naylor were top-draft picks…they are hardly devoid of talent. Arias is also an elite defender with the ability to grow with the stick.
This was not quantity devoid of quality. This was quantity devoid of “big names.” Underestimate the Cleveland Indians at your peril Heck, our own fans do it all the time, but they’re just dumb. You’d think our competitors would know by now though, wouldn’t you?
It probably would not have been Vaughn by himself but likely Vaughn, Collins, and maybe a lower tier player like Sheets. Throw in Lopez since the Indians might be able to resurrect something out of him. Even if trading to a rival, at least they would have gotten a couple of potential big hitters. The Indians offense will languish for the next several years, having done nothing to improve it today. They still have a great enough staff to be competitive, no doubt. But for one of the best arms in the game, not one really good hitter or prospect?
Hope the Sox are able to get a deal done without it being a recipe for regret, we will know in a couple hours, does not look good for them on getting a pitcher.
Good point
I would think the Sox would need to pay a huge intradivision premium to land Clev. I wonder what that would look like.. I bet the asking price was bonkers.
Just chiming in to thank you for the breakdown. Informative read.
Of course who knows how things end up….
But it would seem that between this and what they will eventually get for Lindor, they will have built themselves another five year contender by 22-23.
They usually get it right and good for them.
Interesting deal between clubs w the two best ballparks in the history of life..
Pads are just on a little warm streak right now. That’s it. They’ve lost their marbles.
FWIW…..best unis and ballpark in MLB.
#2 in the NL but just “”on a hot streak” i’ve met some real dull mfs on here but youve got the IQ of a plastic spork
Bahahaha
I personally do not think they have enough currently to warrant getting a bat today before the Trading deadline hits. I would though suggest Bauer’s and Pluto to the Giants for Yaz
And the Giants will agree to that once Farhan Zaidi gets a lobotomy.
Interesting. Not mentioned here, but the ChiSox, Twins and even the Tigers may have benefitted by Clevinger not pitching for Cleveland the rest of this year. Naylor might be a bit of an improvement over Allen, but hardly game changing. IMHO, it’s more common for bats going to the NL from the AL seem to do better than NL to AL bats. I suppose it’s statistically irrelevant…but it seems that way.
I’m a Tiger fan and they are a couple games away from WC. No Clevinger and only a Naylor upgrade to their OF is a plus for Detroit.
Both leagues have a DH. Beyond irrelevant.
Padres win this deal by enormous margin. I cannot believe that the Indians with as little hitting as they have could not get even one really good hitter for Clevinger, or a top prospect or two. 6 marginal players for one of the best arms in the game, unreal. A huge win for every AL central team not in Cleveland.
Agree. I don’t see any real difference between Allen and Naylor. Tribe lose a top notch starter. They gain no significant offense.
I guess there must be some real clubhouse issues with Clevinger in Cleveland.
The rest of the AL Central benefitted.
Theres definitely a big difference between Allen and Naylor. Naylor is a bat first player, kinda sketchy defensively in the LF, but he has enough of a bat to potentially be an everyday player whether its there or 1B or DH.
Allen is like a 4th/5th OF without the hit ability but he can play D and he’s fast. There’s way more overall potential in Naylor and Allen is more of a role player. SD needed that OF depth right now though because their only real healthy OFs right now are Grisham/Myers and they have been sticking Profar/Mateo out in LF so having another true OF helps them even if they give the better bat to CLE.
What is so hard to understand that Clevinger wasn’t needed he was replaced with cheaper low cost arms and was a cancer much like bauer in the locker room. The got quantity that I wouldn’t be shocked to see turn into additional assets. They got the 7,9,11 best prospects in a deep farm plus major league talent. You keep thinking they should have got a top prospect but that was never offered and they wanted him gone. This was the highest offer.
@imindless
If you are a Dodger fan, was not a good day for you. Even though I think Dodgers clearly still better, Padres will actually provide competition going forward I think. Just an enormously poor trade for the Indians in terms of value.
I’m not worried. We beat them this year without half of our team hitting or producing. Bellinger and muncy are coming around will be scary to see them hitting on all cylinders. Outside or cornenworth and tatis what in there lineup scares me? There bullpen is also terrible. Again just wait on it don’t be suprised when 2/3 of those guys turn into stars for Indians. Same was said about kluber trade
Bshahaha
Every day is good to be a Dodgers fan –
I welcome the challenge and rivalry we have brewing
Mindless man — How about Manny Machado? That should scare you. He’s arguably number three in the MVP race behind Tatis and Betts. A newly tooled-up Hosmer should scare you. Heck, Myers this year should scare you. Their only real weak spot in the lineup is Profar. Padres have a very scary lineup and are scoring a lot of runs this year. And they just upgraded it big time.
Tipsy you see the games this year? Again without everyone healthy on our squad and still only pulled out 2 wins by 1 run or less 5-4 and 2-1. The games we won 7-6 padres blew lead, 11-0, and 6-0. Again without a healthy roster, muncy and bellinger in huge slump. Both hosmer and machado aren’t good performers in playoffs historically so again not that worried, it’s nice to dream man but outside of this year allowing more teams in you guys would be lucky to make the playoffs.
As much as I dislike the Dodgers and their fans, it’s crazy to think the Padres are even within touching didtance. Dodgers are still the best regular season team in the NL, but fortunately the playoffs are a whole different crapshoot.
*distance
Muncy and Bellinger were slumping last time? So was Manny Ramirez and now his name is all over the offensive leaderboards. I also don’t think the Padres had made Cronenworth a regular yet. That’s 2 major bat upgrades for the Padres, 2 for the Dodgers.
Of course, the Padres also replaced the worst hitting catcher in mlb with the best hitting catcher this year. Advantage-Padres. The Padres also added a frontline starter and a great bullpen arm. The Dodgers are exactly the same team they were the first time.
I am not saying the Padres are better but it is going to be a good fight.
Yes, this was definitely not the “ridiculous” haul that the reporting had indicated. The Yankees, for all their pitching woes, should have happily ponied up an equivalent package. Even for all his own woes this year, one would think a package built around Andujar with some other mid-level prospects would have been at least equivalent to this travesty of a deal for the Cleveland organization.
Chris you gotta chill man you sound like a broken record. Salty as hell man, sorry your yankees didn’t want to make the trade.
There is absolutely no way either team can say they one the trade TODAY. Padre fans thought they cleaned up in the Hand Meija trade. How did that work out for the Padres. They had to trade for 2 catchers to replace him. Cleveland traded for Phil Maton in a minor deal with the Padres. Maton has done extremely well this season in the bullpen and the Padres had to trade for bullpen help. Framil Reyes is doing well in Cleveland and Trammell is already gone from the Padres. Hopefully this trade helps both teams, but to say one team won a trade the day after is just being ridiculous. It will take several years to find out “who won?”
A boatload of mediocrities.
A thirteen year old playing fantasy baseball would not make this awful of a trade!
Padres GM should go to prison for grand theft!
Agreed. If the Padres could have him for this, all the other GMs should be fired for failing to take advantage of such a great opportunity. As a Yankees fan, it’s hard to see how the Yankees weren’t willing to build a package to get him given their pitching needs at the moment. The Tribe could not have possibly demanded a package of multiple high-end Yankees youngsters if they were willing to take such a sad package from the Padres.
Exactly. I am a Sox fan, and any of the proposed packages they could have given to the Indians would have been better than what they got. Maybe the Indians wanted more from the Sox because of being in the same division, but still. For the Indians to not get one really good prospect or above average hitter for one of the best pitchers in the game is mind boggling. The Padres won this trade by an enormous margin.
Yanks are done for this year,,as far as the golden ring goes in October…they blew it very simply. they needed Clevinger..period. Pitching wins in post season….especially vs. bats like Judge, Sanchez, Stanton…who get dominated by great pitching.., and all the other power hitters on our club….Sad to say but it once again wit til next year….
They get an every day outfielder, a reliever/closer , a future starter in Cleveland’s hands and two infielders that will replace lindor as some point. I remember the same reception for the Indians when they traded kluber howd that work out? Indians in 1st in there division. None of the pitchers the Indians currently have starting have never had high level of esteem or value. Cleveland is a factory for pitching. I find it funny that you guys seem to know the value of players but maybe this was the highest offer that they received and from what is being reported is a cancer in the locker room.
That haul does not seem as “ridiculous” as the reporting previously indicated. Several of them are defense first players. It’s almost surprising that some other team wasn’t willing to match or exceed the deal for such a star pitcher.
Quantity over quality; but it shouldn’t be underestimated how valuable a catcher with Hedges elite defence is and Naylor’s power. Give him a chance and he should be at least league average. Then they’ve gone for quantity in the hope that one of the other 4 hits gold. Not the worst trade for either side.
Indians needed to retool and they definitely happened with this
There goes the long postseason road for the Indians in 2020. Every year is next year.
Nice haul for indians, they get an every day left fielder, and bullpen arm, a future starter (especially in Cleveland hands) and 2 infield pieces that will potentially replace lindor when he leaves or is traded. The train keeps moving for Indians
The Indians didn’t get any top prospects. San Diego got the much better end of this deal.
By your opinion, padres typically aren’t known for developing prospects very well outside of tatis who have they developed?
That’s a really soft return for Clevinger. The Padres got away with a murder trade and kept all their top prospects. The Indians accepted volume players for a quality player.
I love how “fans” designate a trade winner before the ink dries…
Hilarious
Looks like there might be something more divisive about Clevinger’s dishonesty to the team than we see on the surface. The Indians seemed determined to offload him right after Plutko spoke out.
So much for all the leverage Indian’s fans thought they had.
I don’t know why Indians’ fans think they have any leverage. The Dolans have been punking them since the day they bought the team.
People calling this a Padres “fleecing” of Cleveland are simply wrong. Here’s why: 1) You say Cleveland should have received a top six prospect, but we need to understand that San Diego’s farm system is arguably the strongest in MLB, and their 7th, 9th, and 11th best rated prospects would all be top five/seven in most other systems. Arias would be top 3-5 and the top ranked SS prospect for probably 25 of the 30 MLB teams. 2) You say they failed to address their number one need, a good hitting OF who can slide into tomorrow’s lineup and give the anemic hitting Tribe a shot of adrenaline. Well, do you think anyone else was offering that? This certainly wasn’t Vaughn or Waters or Pache or Abrams or Lux or any of the other names floated around! Do people realize that? The only exception may be Clint Frazier, but the problem there is that besides him, the Yankees have nobody the Indians would want, so that was always going to be a total non-starter. (and with Stanton and Judge more or less continuously on the shelf, why would the Yanks want to give up Frazier?)
The Indians FO has proven itself to be among the smartest in the game and they most definitely did not get fleeced — instead, they got excellent talent with both significant short and longer term value.
Now, let’s see what they can do about that outfield…8–)
Brian goodwin makes sense to platoon with Naylor.
Pitching wins in Post season…that’s why….
They got fair value for a really good # 2 .
All the Indians fans who were pumping Clevenger as an Ace and how he would bring back Multiple Top 100 Prospects can finally take off their rose colored glasses.
No one got fleeced . I can imagine they “asked” for a fortune but as teams turned away they took what was a fair offer before the Padre’s could Pivot elsewhere also .
Another trash Dolan trade (I don’t blame Antonetti at all)….. Trade a proven pitcher and don’t get a major league ready outfielder in return.. Why?. When you trade from a position of strength, you need to shore up your f****** weaknesses. This is about arbitration dollars, not improving the team.
I hope Antonetti & co leave Cleveland for a major market and take that team to the Series. The Dolans will never reinvest what it takes to be a winner…
Love that Padres are going for it and gave up nothing they can’t do without. No headliner “top prospect” for Cle but a few high upside guys. What I expected. Hard to give up a ton with the situation we are in. Crazy season and only a month but Clevinger hasn’t looked like 2018 19 Clevinger. All the trades have been fair, all winners so far.
lol @ Josh Naylor being an everyday outfielder..
So much for the ” King’s Ranson” for Mr Ace -Clevinger. He got the return of a #2 with 2 yrs of control like i said all along. If you factor in the extra year of control the return isn’t much better then what the Jays received for Stroman last year.
I thought if Cleveland didn’t get a “ridiculous” return they’d just keep him?? Goes to show they really did want him gone from their clubhouse and didn’t have all the leverage after all.
You hear that? That’s the sound of the Indians’ window slamming shut.
This is about the only Padres trade Preller has made today where I’ve not wanted to tear my hair out.
I love Hedges, but he’s had his time and he’s all defence (great defence, but we need some catcher offence).
Not too bothered about Quantrill, don’t think he’ll be more than an average reliever.
Not so up on the prospects, but they’re mostly lottery tickets.
Only player I’m gutted to lose is Naylor – I think he’ll turn out above average with good power, but then you’ve got to give a little to get a little, so a price worth paying.
Now someone please take the phone away from Preller before he gets even more carried away.
Wow what a kings ransom that was..
24 hr ago they had Trammel and Muñoz, this time holding the best hand did not pan out well, specially that they knew 2 weeks ago they wanted to trade him.
Indians had a better chance this year by keeping him and trading him in the winter
Exactly. You NEVER trade a pitcher of Clevinger’s caliber in the middle of a playoff race. We saw how well trading Bauer in the middle of a playoff race worked out for them last year. No team has ever made a deep playoff run after trading a pitcher that good in-season.
The Indians probably will make the playoffs this year considering more than half the teams in baseball will but expect to see them get bounced in the first round.
Could’ve at least gotten Francisco Mejia back… At least that would have some novelty value…
Been there done that
Trading Clevinger while still trying to contend is going to work as well for Cleveland as trading Betts while still trying to contend worked for Boston.
Well, this and the Nola trade should be the final nail in the coffin for all those who said that no one would ever trade with Preller after what happened in 2016.
Ask the Padres fans who won this trade now.