The White Sox and Indians are “actively involved” in trade talks surrounding Cleveland right-hander Mike Clevinger, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Jon Heyman of MLB Network adds the Braves, Yankees, Padres and Dodgers among Clevinger’s pursuers, adding that the right-hander has a “good chance” to be dealt.
As recently as Friday, it seemed unlikely Clevinger would go anywhere, with Cleveland apparently setting an extremely high price tag on him. The price tag seemingly remains high. Heyman hears that Cleveland would want big league talent in return (Twitter link), while Robert Murray reports that the initial ask was “four quality prospects.”
Clevinger’s violation of the Indians’ coronavirus protocols and subsequent demotion are well-known at this point and have made him an interesting trade candidate, although there’s no urgency (at least from an on-field perspective) for Cleveland to move him. Clevinger is controlled through 2022 via arbitration and has offered front-end production for most of the past four years.
The Braves and Yankees have been known to be targeting starting pitching, and Heyman adds that the Padres are seeking another starter. The Dodgers, meanwhile, are targeting players with multiple years of control, manager Dave Roberts told reporters (including Bill Punkett of the Orange County Register), so Clevinger fits the bill.
The White Sox are also in the market for starters (even more so with Gio González hitting the injured list this afternoon), although a Clevinger deal would be extremely surprising. Players of his caliber with multiple years of control are seldom traded within the division, even less often between two immediate contenders.
To all of those who said there wouldn’t be any big trades… expect to be proven wrong in T-minus…
Who needs the headache Clevinger would bring?
The White Sox apparently.
I also don’t think he’s a headcase like Ken Giles on a bad day. He is just weird/different. Long hair, tatoos, a funky delivery, and breaking protocol mishap. He’s just weird and all over the place. I kind of enjoy it.
Yeah he doesnt seem like a bad guy/bad lockeroom presence. I honestly think the whole protocol mishap was blown out of proportion (like most if mot all off-field issues are)
I don’t have long hair and have just one smallish tattoo from my 60th birthday, but those things are not considered weird. In fact, they are quite normal. It would be boring if everyone looked and dressed the same. Boring is bad.
When you pitch as well as he does,give us a shout.
For a contending team to trade a controllable starter with a low 3 era is exceedingly strange even if he had a night on the town.
The indians are a penny pinching organization. Plus, they have SP waiting in the wings. If they can get a team to over pay for him. They should definitely go for ut. Its the same thing they were about to do with Bauer.
Since it seems almost everyone has tattoos these days, there’s definitely nothing “weird” about it….unless the subject of the tattoo is particularly strange lol
Tattoo’s and long hair are out of the mainstream; therefore they qualify as weird. So was my ‘fro back in the day.
The headache I referred to is related to violating COVID protocols, not to long hair or tattoos. Who wants a player who will indulge his impulses at the possible risk of his teammates’ health? And let’s not forget the ripple effects of infection. Why risk scuttling a terrific season under trying circumstances for a player like that? The Cleveland organization apparently understands that he isn’t worth it.
If Clevinger is moved, it will not be for the Covid-19 problems. He will be moved as he is the starter with the least amount of team control, two more years past 2020. Plesac will not be traded since he has 5 more years of control. It is as simple as that. The Covid issue has nothing to do with it.
Apparently a lot of teams, or they wouldn’t be discussing trades for him
@hockeyjohn club control doesn’t matter as much for the Indians. Their window is closing soon but is wide open right now. Trading Lindor or Clevinger will change all that.
jimthegoat, I do not agree with you that the Indians window is closing. With their controllable solid starting pitching, they will remain a contender. I don’t see them trading Lindor at the deadline.
If they trade Lindor their window is closed. But FWIW I don’t see them trading him.
More importantly, is the tattoo a lower back tramp stamp that says, “Fun Hole Here” ?
FTR, Giles has never had an issue in his time with Toronto… let’s stop with the narrative he’s a headcase.
The batters he has been putting down certainly don’t need him. Oh no he violated Covid protocols, he should be banned from the world. Athletes break more serious rules everyday and are welcomed back and forgiven for way worse things then what he did. It’s only cool to be mad at him because it’s the popular thing to do. He made a mistake served his punishment, now move on.
I think people in the Cleveland organization are more mad at him for lying about violating the Covid protocols than for just the violation.
Bestno5 –
The big thing you seem to be missing is that most mistakes players make don’t have the potential to cause serious illness or death to their teammates, their families, friends, and others. Not to mention a spread may result in the postponing/cancelling a few games as well. Kind of a big deal.
Oddvark, totally agree, Plesac is in the doghouse too,but will not be traded.
Unlikely Cleveland would trade to divisional rival and vice versa.
This rumor just stupid.
Dunning near perfect through 5.
0 hits
1 BB
7 K’s
Anything is possible , ChiSox Fan regarding a trade but I don’t really know what they would have that would get Cleveland to agree to it
@Matt, you mean what they’d have that they’d be willing to give up. No chance on giving up Eloy or Robert. After that, though, their OF options take a nosedive. Cleveland doesn’t need more pitching, which is one of the reasons Clevinger’s expendable, so unless Vaughn is on the table for the White Sox (which I’d find unlikely given Abreu’s age and EE’s poor play), I agree that a deal seems unlikely.
I agree
Kopech comes with his own set of problems and Adam Engel is not going to help the Tribe’s offense much.
Stupid is the word
Sox have plenty, but not gonna happen.
Dunning is our guy.
If we need another SP, it will be Lynn.
If Clevinger is a headache for going out then I must be a heart attack because I just went to the market yesterday, the day before, visited family mask free and have been going to work 5-6 days a week before and during this whole… thing
Did you also lie to your family and big time betray there trust?
It’s not just that he ” went out” its the hypocrisy of his words before and his actions /words after he “went” out that got him in hot water with teammates and mgmt.
But hey honour/trust/integrity doesn’t mean much to some right.
Are the White Sox still ‘in’, on the Barry Bonds discussions?
Dogbone: How come the Cubs aren’t in on the Mike Clevinger discussions? They have less depth and fewer starting pitching prospects than the White Sox and purportedly more outfield bats to satisfy the Indians demands. They’d have more too if they would have hung on to Eloy Jimenez and Jorge Soler.
I’d take him on the marlins. We’d have 4 amazing starters. Sixto, alcantera, lopez and clevinger.
What headache?
Joe Adell and Steward Aquino for Clevinger and Kopech. Who says no?
Lol, the Indians!
Unless it’s a 3 team deal, how are both clev and kopech going to LA?
Not understanding your proposal, with Angels, Indians, and White Sox players involved but no clarity regarding who would end up where.
No
Kopech going nowhere!
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Teams that have spoken with Indians about Clevinger say they’re looking for a deal centered around a young controllable position player. Yankees have that. Could also pivot to Lynn.
Interesting.
Why would Cleveland trade him to the whitesox?
Have you seen the studs they’re trotting out there? CLE has a front
row seat.
I thought they would need to be blown away to trade him within the AL.. let alone the division. This would be absolutely shocking.
Agreed. Maybe they really do have other issues with him or they’ve been getting insane proposals.
And they also might trade Lindor , I don’t know why because they are right in the middle of the al central race.
If there were other issues the White Sox wouldn’t be interested. Maybe the two teams just feel they have a match for a trade.
Yeah, maybe it’s just his teammates can’t forgive him but the CHW players don’t care? Idk, inter-division trade with two teams in competition for the division isn’t very normal given the impact of the players. That’s why I’d still be shocked. Cleveland has got to be requesting major league ready players. Maybe a three team trade?
What is normal about 2020? I think it’s intriguing given the talent Chicago has added. I’m a tribe fan and think they are a couple hiring outfields away and have excess pitching.
Some people are forgetting that the lack of spectators doesn’t affect all teams equally. Which is why the Indians might want to move their big-ticket items now. Rebuild but not completely tear it down a la the Diamondbacks. Since the Indians have a track record for developing pitchers, they might be better off in the long run. Face it. As good as their starting pitching is, they might not have the financial resources to get what would put them over the top right away. Keep pumping out pitchers and acquire a young nucleus of position players to go with them. Remember something else: it is entirely possible spectators won’t be allowed at the start of next season. The earlier they trade Lindor and Clevinger, the more they will get in return. No way should they do what the Orioles did with Machado.
If Lindor is trade it’s in thw off season or at the deadline next year.
As an Indian fan, what is your opinion of a Kris Bryant for Clevinger trade offer?
@Cey Hey unlike the Orioles the Indians are actually contending. A championship is worth more than any prospect they might be able to get for Lindor or Clevinger.
Dogbone: As a Cub, White Sox and MLB fan, that proposal makes little sense for the ‘thrifty’ Indians.
Bryant is a hugely expensive arbitration eligible player who was scheduled to make $18.6MM this season before COVID-19 struck. He can only be controlled for the remainder of this year and next season. Clevinger was scheduled to earn $4.1MM in 2020 in his first season of arbitration eligibility before the pandemic. He will have two more years of arb control before becoming a FA in 2023.
The Indians already have an expensive arbitration eligible SS in Francisco Lindor who will become a FA when Bryant does following the 2021 season. They have been fielding trade offers for Lindor since last year because they know he will leave come 2022. Why would they acquire Bryant?
Seriously though, the last time Clevinger was in Chicago a trip bar-hopping with a teammate almost tore a clubhouse apart (I’m sure it didn’t). CLE is hoping Clev in a trojan horse.
The White Flag trade, in reverse. Love it!
Because the White Sox have a plethora of talent to get him. I have never understood not trading within the division. You do three things. One, you get your rival’s prospects for yourself, which can bite them for a lot longer. Two, you are adding 4 more teams to a pool to bid on your player, thereby driving up the price. And three, you stop your rival from using those prospects to acquire someone just as good from someone else. You not trading with them is not going to stop them from trading altogether.
All good points h. The only thing that seems strange to me about this scenario is that Cleveland isn’t rebuilding (or at least I don’t think they are?).
If they trade Clev or Lindor they certainly are
Not rebuilding.. reloading..
@gson no, if they trade Lindor or Clev it means their window has slammed shut. Loudly. Trading them = rebuilding. Deal with it.
Clevinger to the Dodgers or Padres.
This obviously is not happening and probably is just fake news.
How tf do you have fake news on a rumor site?
Just trying to bring it in. Go away
Jon Heyman is how you justify fake news lol.
Please don’t embarrass yourself by using the term “fake news.” It is strictly;y reserved for the dumbest Americans (of which there are far too many).
The media, and their less than 10% approval rating ??
“I have given up newspapers for Tacitus and Thucydides, for Newton and Euclid and I find myself much happier.” Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson one of the dumbest Americans you are referencing??
Ah yes, please avoid the phrase fake news and instead use Fradulant Announcements.
It’s about 4 1/2 times that but facts don’t seem to be your strong suit.
@Cey Hey- lol, that doesn’t apply to all of us on this site?
Like CNN, MSNBC and ABC
thanks Cey for keeping it reels.
A media that force feeds lies to their clueless followers. Sums up the DNC perfectly lol.
Lib logic – Forever accusing the other side of same things ur guilty of.
The media does not need approval ratings to justify doing their jobs. They are not that insecure.
Insecurity is a prerequisite to be in media.
Cey Hey –
Thanks for bringing your political views into a sports conversation. Everybody just loves that. Wanna talk about religion too?
This coming from the party who accuses socialists of being fascists? You can’t even tell the difference between right and left bot!
It’s obvious who’s been force fed lies in this comment section haha
Agreed 100%
You have a great handle bit. Probably a a Russian not at that. This is a sorts feed, not a political one. Get lost loser
Lol
And fox
Excuse me cey hey but are you challenged? We should know before we draw conclusions as to whether you are developmentally slow or just not bright.
@javia. You are 100% right. There is no difference between the two. The soul purpose of both is to divide you and get you to hate your neighbor. Two sides of the same coin. Support T or BLM- it’s the samething- you want change. The man knows that so they keep us divided.
@cey hey. U know when kap kneels it’s bc he knows black people aren’t African but aboriginal people of this land !? What dem has ever acknowledge that as reality? You been convinced to pick between two masters. There’s a better way +
I think you lost everybody with this one.
Are you saying Kapernick has some Native American in his lineage, or that all black people come from this continent originally? You know what, never mind.
That swamp is sooo drained
No humans come from this continent originally
How do you have fake news?
Simple. Someone in the indians leaks “info” that may or may not be true hoping to increase offers by hinting at a trade might be imminent.
Happens all the time. Teams constantly use the sports media to push narratives out for them.
Unnamed sources are very popular.
I’ve got an unnamed GM on the line that says unnamed sources can’t be trusted
its like a bad game of rock paper scissors
reliable source beats unnamef source
former gm beats reliable source.
current unnamed gm beats former gm
unnamed inside source close to the discussion beats current unnamed gm.
More likely a leak from the White Sox to get the Rangers to lower their price on Lynn. Trade discussions do not leak out of Cleveland.
Thats a fair point. Could be white sox trying to lower asking prices by making Texas and other teams think they’re talking to Cleveland.
Could be true or could just be hot air.
@hockeyjohn- so what would it take for the Indians to move Cleveland Clevinger? I figure I will go to the Indians expert. I’m trying to be nice because you always say I’m insulting to you.
Lmao. Get some professional help Cey Hey.
I’m black. So yes. I have it in for black people.
Here’s some life tips for you.
Don’t let words hurt you.
No need to make baseless assumptions about people you don’t know.
Oh, and get some professional help.
No one brought up the things you brought up, like at all. Clearly you have some issues to sort out. Good luck.
Cey Hey –
Dude, would you please just shut up and go away? You are the pathetic one my friend. This is a sports website. I don’t give a crap about your political agenda and neither does anyone else here
Yank4life, Go back and look at last season’s Trevor Bauer trade. Cleveland received needed help in the rental Puig and five years of the controllable power hitter in Framil Reyes. They also received two left handed pitching prospects and a prospect flyer. That was for only a year and a half of Bauer. Last season, the Indians were looking for a power hitter and Reyes ended up hitting 37 HR last year. Reyes continues to be a major part of the team.
In a Clevinger deal, the Indians would again be looking for help now and prospects for the future. Their biggest need is an outfielder, as other than Tyler Naquin,, the Indians are getting very little offense .from their other outfielders. In my opinion, for the Yankees to get Clevinger, it would have to take Frazier, Schimdt, and two other prospects. I can’t see them wanting Andujar as he is not an outfielder and the Indians already are set at DH with Reyes.
Clevinger has two more years of control past 2020 so the Indians should do better than the Bauer trade. Also, there are many teams now looking for starting pitching so that, too, could raise the return.
I hope that this answers your question. I am glad to converse with any baseball fan when done in the proper way. Have a good Sunday!
@hockeyjohn- interesting stuff I see the Indians wanting players that are under teams control. You can’t go wrong with prospects from the Braves and Padres for Clevinger. After tonight’s game I can’t see the Yankees parting with Deivi Cruz. And they are even higher on Clarke Schmidt. I just don’t see a match with the Yankees. They can’t part with Frazier with the injuries to Judge and Stanton. And Andujar has been awful in limited play. And he can’t field for crap. I know the Indians like Michael Tauchman a lot. Do you? I see the White Sox have interest in Clevinger. You guys would have to get Michael Kopech+ Nice conversation, hopefully many more and have a excellent night, Take care
I hope it is fake news..White Sox should just stay the course!
They need pitching though. Dunning and Cease are too unproven, Rodon can’t stay healthy and Lopez is not someone you can give the ball to every five days. Not right now anyways. You get a guy like Clev, all of a sudden your rotation has the depth needed if/when Keuchel’s numbers regress to the mean, and/ or one of the rookies goes through a bad stretch. He might seem like a luxury today, but it’d be solid planning for the near future as well for the next few years.
Only issue is price. If demand is that high, I can’t imagine the Sox get this done without dealing Vaughn and while that makes sense in the short term, it’s more than possible we send our division rival a guy that could haunt us for several years. Call me greedy, but even with the Sox lineup right now, I’d still love to see Vaughn at first and Abreu at DH for the next few years.
i have doubts myself, but i can bet there is serious interest all the same.
The Indians should be asking for the moon. Actually, ask for the whole solar system. It only takes one team to say yes.
I agree 100%. With that said, I don’t expect LAD to overpay. But, like most guys, they know what they are willing to pay and are staying in the race just in case those demands drop to their level
But really Clev shouldn’t move him unless their overwhelmed… unless the clubhouse has been super toxic since he came back. That’s only other reason I’d see them drop demands. Total speculation there
Clevinger is 30 and has pitched more than 158 innings once.
I think a lot of us look at Clevingers stats but forget to look at games started and innings pitched. Having an ace ride the pine doesn’t make your team better.
@Cey Hey- That sounds just like James Paxton. Are the Dodgers trading for anybody?
Yank4Life, they are set for starting pitching beyond 2020. I just don’t think May, Gonsolin, or Urias are that Game 3 starter they need now. I respect Price’s decision to opt-out, but no one is talking about how that hurts the team on the field. He was excellent over the short-haul in 2019, which is what he would have been required to do in 2020. My fear is facing someone like deGrom, Flaherty, or Bauer in Game One of a best-of-three. That might be curtains for their post-season chances. I expect Friedman to do something, even if it involves a Urias-Lux package. That would be a solid and, I think, fair return for a guy like Lynn or Clevinger. Re Lux, the Dodgers are deep in middle infield prospects and like McKinstry very much. I would hate to lose the players I mentioned, but you gotta give to get. Lux is a midwestern kid who might flourish in a place like Cleveland.
Price is soft. He’s also not part of the 2020 squad. No need to mention him.
Good comment… CleFO has a value system they place on their players and those they attempt to acquire. If that value isn’t achieved, they won’t make the deal. The Indians keep to their way of doing business.. it keeps them relevant.
Thoughts?
gson, regardless of the standings in this weird season, the White Sox and Indians are in different places with their teams. Two excellent front offices with solid plans. Cleveland will continue to have good pitching. What they need to do is build a strong nucleus of position players around those arms. If they do that, they will be in a World Series soon. The pitching is too good for that not to happen. The White Sox? They have a mix of veterans and talented youngsters to get there even sooner. I love watching that team.
Sorry to say, he’ll bring in one ML player and two minor leaguers. He’s on the bad boy list
BTW, The Rangers game starts in an hour and a half. and I think one of the best feelings is while you are watching a broadcast, news breaks on a trade. Just me? I was kind of hyped when Stroman was traded mid-Rangers game last year.
Ohhhhhh boy
I want the Yankees to trade for Clevenger. So he’d have to get a haircut
Ha.. too cruel!
If he is Samson OT and his hair is cut he loses his fast ball LOL
the yankees don’t have anything to offer except prolly sending frazier back to them.
Going to take much more than Frazier…
I would refuse the haircut. The Yankees need to join the 21st century.
personally facial hair is one thing, but hair is another. i have fairly expansive hair and my employer has never complained.
Just do your job everyday and the employer is happy, slack off and you won’t have to worry about your hair since you won’t have that job
@georheo- he’d to have to go to a stylist in NYC somewhere lst. My guess is the Padres or the Braves for Clevinger Cleveland. Yankees will likely and hopefully pass.
Padres have the most depth to pay for this guy, if he goes to the Padres it will bring the Padres to a higher level for sure and the playoffs
geotheo, I think there are some kids on your lawn. You probably need to go tell at them.
*yell*
Not sure how I feel about this as a twins fan. All three teams can make the playoffs this year and it might keep the Indians relevant longer as it seemed their window was closing.
Makes no sense for Indians if they think they are serious contenders.
The Indians have been “serious contenders” for some time now. It didn’t stop them from trading two TOR’s in Trevor Bauer and Corey Kluber and it likely won’t prevent them from trading Mike Clevinger either.
Come on AA…We NEED a starter like Clevinger.
I’m with you. Anthopolous needs to strike here and get this done. Clevinger, Fried, Anderson, Milone would be a solid 1-4 this season. Swap out Milone for Sororka next season and that’s an excellent rotation.
We have Catchers to spare, pitching to spare; and we could afford to part with an OF. It wouldn’t be that hard to find a LH OF to platoon with Duvall.
Don’t sit on your hands, Alex, please!
Come on Braves! Pull the trigger! Throw Pache in, keep waters somehow. I have a feeling waters is gonna be huge one day. Regardless, throw Ender in the mix … eat the salary, just get him off our roster so we aren’t tempted to play him anymore. Call up Waters and call it a day.
For the record, I’m fully aware in this market and for his value, it could take a waters and Pache combined to get Clevinger. But maybe not…
Also for the record, I can’t wrap my head around the Indians trading this guy right now. I guess cause not only him being so good and controllable increased his market, but covid and more playoff teams, and teams like the Braves make his market even more valuable … but even soo… guys like him are hard to find
Cleveland is deep in starting pitchers, Clevinger isn’t exactly an innings eater.
Angels will give you Bundy for Pache and somebody else.
You don’t trade a position player for a pitcher. Especially a mediocre pitcher like Bundy.
If the Braves give up Pache for Bundy, that would be the worse over pay in the history of the game. Albeit, I sorta agree… this market might dictate something like this. A prospect of Pache caliber though, should be traded for nothing short of a big name player. Bundy isn’t that
Bundy wouldn’t be a rental either, Bundy for a pitching prospect not name Ian Anderson.
It is a 60-game season. You don’t change your philosophy because of that.
There seem to be plenty of potential matches in the NL.. seems crazy to think they would trade him to another contender in the AL, let alone a division rival.
If the asking price in general was “ridiculous”, as previously reported.. I cannot imagine what it looks like for an intradivision trade like this.
If the Sox are willing to send Kopech, I could absolutely understand why the Indians would be interested. As a Sox fan, I would hate to see what they could do with Kopech.
I think the Indians want a bat they can put in LF or CF right now.
I like the padres chances if it’s a prospect deal.
I would be more shocked of a Clevenger trade to the White Sox than when Quintana was traded to the Cubs.
Still say a 3 way deal Newcomb & Yaz to Indians
Clevinger to Braves
Wright & Pache to the Giants
Why would the Giants do that?
So far, and by a longshot, that is the dumbest post on this page. Congrats! By the way, that is nowhere near what the Indians will require in return for Clevinger.
Never fails. A team’s fans claim a player stinks, then want to make him a centerpiece in a trade for a star. In this case, it’s Braves fans and Newcomb. He is in every trade they propose. Also, since the Braves don’t have an outfielder to offer Cleveland, they rope the Giants into it. Yaz is a good player at a great price. Why would the Giants give him away?
Indians wouldn’t take Anderson & Pache?
2 of the top prospects in all of baseball for a 30 year old late bloomer is not “giving him away”
No where near? 5 yrs of an OF like Yaz plus Newcomb for 2 yrs of Clevinger who’s missed time 2 of the last 3 yrs. …
Looks like he’s staying in Cleveland
That really only works for Cleveland, I think- and they might even want a bit more.
I don’t think Atlanta trades Pache AND Waters. Sending a Catcher out makes more sense.
I’m not extremely familiar with the Giants, but 3 of their top 5 OF prospects are already OFs according to Baseball America. I’d think they’d want pitching or MIF prospects? A Giants fan would probably know better.
Send out a catcher and nab Realmuto over the winter. That would kill the Phillies and deflate the Mets.
I feel so bad for Indians fans. Spend a little bit of money Dolan.
What does this have to do with spending money? He has a very reasonable contract, especially given his value, just like Bauer they’re trading from depth for needs.
Personally, I’d rather have a team that wins ballgames then spends money.. I feel bad for the fans of teams like the Angels and Mets. They spend on star players but can’t put together good teams.
Arte Moreno put together a great line up but he fails to get the pitching they need that would put Trout in the playoffs. I hope he starts to realize that this offseason. If they decide to not trade bundy , then they better go hard afte Bauer or Tanaka.
Great lineup? He’s paying Pujols and Upton a fortune to stink the joint up. Factor in Trout and Rendon and that’s $116 million for four guys. Painful. The Angels are terrible due to poor allocation of resources. Plus, they don’t develop pitchers like their nearby neighbors. They should pay attention to how the Dodgers run things, just like the Mets should pay attention to the Yankees. Good luck trying to squeeze in Bauer for another $30 million.
i think they could , If arte wants to build a contender , he needs to go over the luxury tax. They have a nice line up, Upton not hitting like he use to isn’t a surprise. Last year he was injured before the season started. Now the contract looks like an albatross. They haven’t had an ace since weaver & richards left. If they can get a bulldog like bauer , they would be a contender.
The Angels lineup is just OK. They have some star names but overall they produce around average results. Definitely nowhere near the elite offense that can cover for a bad pitching staff. Tough to have a good offense when you get poor production out if the 1B and LF spots.
I absolutely agree on Bauer. Great pitcher.. he is a bit if a polarizing figure but he really seems like an amazing teammate. He is the type of guy that can help make everyone on the staff better. Obviously, there is more work than just adding Bauer.. but they just got to figure out a way to reel him in or the offseason is a loss, in my opinion.
He needs to come to Cincinnati. Just imagine Bauer and Clev with Gray and Castillo..
Vaughn Steiver Dunning and Lopez would be a haul. Have to feel good about all that if your an Indian fan
Thats an overpay, take out Vaughn and it would work. I believe/hope Vaughn is untouchable. But waiting for the Tribe to get a Vaughn. Karinchak would need to give up his number.
I’m really hoping the Sox aren’t that desperate. Lopez is no real loss. Vaughn was the best college hitter when he was drafted and Dunning looks pretty good so far, though too early to tell. Also, none of those guys is an OF, and Cleveland is very likely to want one.
Alonso, Rosario and 1-2 prospect(s) for lindor and Clevinger
Put the pipe down, not getting Lindor too…
They don’t drug test at your job?
Laughable. Lindor and Clevinger are the two best players in the trade. And ya gotta love the 1-2 unnamed prospects from a team with a weak farm system.
Btw, only the Mets would field the final offer on a team sale on the day of the trade deadline. With BVW in the doghouse and likely to lose his job after the sale goes down, I wouldn’ expect any big moves by the Mets.
I proposed that in my Mets group and they laughed at it too but from the other side.
I agree that both Cleveland guys are the best players but years of control is a big thing. Mets have a few decent prospects that they could give
Gotta name the prospects. I see moving Alonso because Smith is a better overall hitter. Would be nice to see them together in that lineup, though. They are apparently close friends.I prefer Smith.
I don’t know if you’re watching the Mets game currently but the Yankees 2nd run came on a misplayed ball by smith in LF. He needs to be at 1b. I agree he’s the better overall player but most Mets fans are blinded by Alonso’s 53 HRs.
I wouldn’t want to clog up the dh spot with Alonso having Canó and eventually JD Davis who I don’t think is an everyday 3b defensively.
I’m not sure what type of prospects Cleveland wants but Mets have very high upside guys inside the top 100 or so
This would be a huge upgrade for the White Sox and a trade that would justify giving up an elite prospect and more. Mike Clevinger is a stud SP who is arbitration controllable through 2022. The Indians would demand a king’s ransom for Clevinger and likely even more from a division rival who also happens to be a prime contender for the AL Central title or a Wild Card slot through his remaining years of arbitration eligibility. Cleveland would clearly want a top young controllable SP in return along with a bat, something the White Sox are capable of providing if they dare.
The White Sox?!? That’s playing with fire! They would HAVE to be adding some very high level guys for me to trade in the division. Especially with a team that has so much upside. Wow!
I’m yet to hear one name that would be heading back to CLE. Logically it would need to at least include a major league level OF who is taking right now. I’d be willing to take Robert straight up for Clev, but I don’t think White Sox can bring themselves to do that.
Haha I think any team would be willing to give up 2 years of Clev for 7 years of Robert, absolutely no chance Sox make that move
Yea, absolutely no chance of Roberts. I wish though. But didn’t they just get Dyson? Maybe this is why….kidding just kidding.
Poor decision to swing this trade within the division.
It would be totally a Cleveland thing to trade him to a team you are competing for a division title with. Let’s make it harder on ourselves by trading to one of our opponents
No, don’t give up Kopech!
Love to have him as a cub,but I’m sure there asking price is through the roof but we need relief help not starter help good luck Cleveland on who’s the prize winner.
I just looked up the metrics and man that fit is a bit scary
This just doesn’t make sense. First, why would either team trade within their division? Second, the only way the Indians give up Clevenger to the White Sox is if they are getting a stud hitter back. We don’t need infielders, so that means either Robert or Jimenez and I just don’t see the Sox doing that. I suppose the Tribe might be trying to look forward to when they lose Lindor and ask for Anderson, but again, why would the White Sox do that? I also don’t see the kind of majors-ready stud the Indians are going to want in the Sox farm system.
I call bull on this rumor.
Clevinger for Kopech and Vaughn, probably.
Kopech will be 25 next year and almost age out of prospect status. He should recover from being a head case, but might not. Sox would sell low, but use him to get an Ace back.
Vaughn will be the bigger loss. But he loses a year of development without a minor league season. And with Abreu’s hot season, Sox may think he’s depth they can use to make a real push for the 2020 World Series title.
That would be a very bad deal for the Sox, and a great one for the Indians. Vaughn by himself is probably not enough, but no way should Kopech be part of that, he might be just as good as Clevinger in a year or two.
And an Indians fan post above me asked for Robert or Jimenez. That’s not how valuations work. Kopech and Vaughn are still prospects who haven’t achieved anything. On the same token, Indians won’t get someone already contributing at the Majors level. Got to give up talent to get talent. A fair deal will hurt in who we give up. We’re not getting an Ace started with a ERA <3.00 for Micker Adolfo and Blake Rutherford.
They could have Larry Garcia too. Garcia, Collins Madolfo Colome and Stever.
Don’t be dumb.
i have doubts he gets moved, but someone like ATL lines up very well. they have the need and Waters fits the bill as ML ready OF headliner.
I posted on a Sox forum that Clevinger was the only pitcher I would deal Vaughn for. I can’t see Cleveland trading Clevinger to the Sox without Vaughn as part of the deal. Wow, what an interesting idea. Cleveland is absolutely loaded with great starting pitching, the Sox are deplete in that, and Cleveland is desperate for hitting. Their needs and surpluses do seem to match up well for a trade.
I would still be surprised if talks about a deal are real, and would not give up much more than Vaughn if I were the Sox. No way would I include a starter out of Cease, Kopech, Dunning. The Indians appear to be so good with pitching that maybe they could take Lopez and make him good again. But Clevinger for Vaughn would sure give the Sox a rotation to be reckoned with, without adding a ton of salary to boot. Add Quintana in the offseason to give a starting 5 of Giolito, Clevinger, Keuchel, Cease, Quintana with Kopech in the wings… that’s got the potential to be enough to win a World Series in the next couple of years I think. I don’t know enough about Clevinger’s personal history to know if there are any real red flags, just love the guys arm compared to what the Sox have in their 4 and 5 spots.
Will be interesting to see if the Sox land anybody the next couple days. I would be content if they did nothing, rather than overpay.
what jhomeslice says. Maybe throw in Mazara since the tribe of India need hitters
I would be shocked if the Sox landed him. Cleveland will be seeking more from a division rival. White Sox need a SP no question and Clevinger would be a great fit, that said there are others available.
shocked. SHOCKED!
The only way CLE will trade Clev is to the NL and only for a bundle, including a current slugger. They don’t want to have to face him too often, so a trade to the White Sox makes no sense unless the rumor is to up the price for an NL team.
If I had to guess … Vaughn, Madrigal and either Kopech or Dunning. If Dunning, there’s a minor 4th piece. If Kopech, maybe no 4th piece.
No chance that is happening
The Indians and their fans would do that in a heartbeat. The White Sox front office and their legions would have cardiac arrest with that proposal.
nope nope nope. Vaughan and maybe a Steiver. Madrigal and Kopech not going anywhere
3 top 100 Prospects in one trade!?! Has that EVER happened?
I found an article with multiple top prospects being dealt in a single trade (https://www.milb.com/news/toolshed-10-biggest-prospect-trades-of-the-decade-301375392).
The White Sox were involved in 3 of this past decade’s top-10 as part of their rebuild that is now bearing fruit. Their deals were rated #7, #4 and #1 in prospect ‘value’ but each only involved two top-100 prospects.
Two trades did net three top-100 prospects and both involved the Phillies. The #6 rated trade had Philadelphia as buyers when they dealt Carlos Carrasco (#52), Lou Marson (#66) and Jason Donald (#69) to the Indians for Cliff Lee. The #5 rated trade had the Phillies as sellers when they sent Cole Hamels to the Rangers and received Jake Thompson (#51), Nick Williams (#55) and Jorge Alfaro (#59).
Clevenger and Lindor to LAD for Lux, Urias, Rodriguez and Ferguson. Who says no?
Both teams
No way the dodgers would trade Lux for a year and a half for lindor
angelsfan, I’m a Dodger fan and think they will trade Lux in the right deal. He is still an outstanding prospect, but the Dodgers are deep in middle-infield prospects and like McKinstry a bunch (as do I). I would prefer a starting pitcher, but the Hader talk tells me Lux might be heading “home” (he is from Kenosha as you probably know). Other players might be involved, but it is a fair deal for both teams. Lux would be a local hero and might truly flourish in a small market. Just a matter of whether he is an infielder or an outfielder.
Well you can count the yanks out- cash won’t pay market price (via trade) for a good starting pitcher that can make a difference…..
I do look forward to more bull pen reinforcements though
Cleveland trades Clevenger to Yanks for Garcia and Frazier.
Any deal with division rival Sox will have to include front line prospects Andrew Vaughn and Nick Madrigal plus another good prospect. Clevinger to Chicago gives them a leg up on Cleveland and Minnesota.
Cleveland wants hitters, so…
Madrigal, Collins, and Mercedes should get it done. Throw in Reynaldo Lopez or a mid-level prospect to sweeten the deal. Vaughn is our future 1B/DH, he stays.
I’ve been wondering how Andrew Vaughn fits into the Sox lineup in the near future. I doubt he’s displacing Abreu anytime soon. Encarnacion isn’t a long-term piece, so the DH at-bats will eventually be available. At the same time, DH production can be found on the cheap. Converting Vaughn into a low-cost, frontline starting pitcher would make a lot of sense.
Vaughn will be the starting 1B/DH in 2022.
greg or mo?
All your trades belong to Preller. Everyone else can go home.
Clevinger, Giolito, Keuchel + the best offense in the league = Championship 1 yr ahead of schedule. Gonna need Bummer back for the playoffs too, I think.
Forgot Cease! Dude is a stud, just needs innings.
Not a chance Cleveland is that dumb. White don’t have enough prospects to send back. It would take 4 top 30 prospects just to start. Sox brought everyone up. Because they know they are desperate
Desperate to field a championship caliber team with the best offense in the league? Sure. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed the Indians are looking for MLB ready talent for Clevinger, not prospects who are 2-3 years away. Tge Sox gave that.
More likd 5-7 years. It will take less than a full season to figure out robert. Seems like he’s home run or K.
ML ready talent. Something the whkte sox do not have. 90% of their prospects are on their ML Team. Sox have zero prospects that are ML ready
No one in BB is worth 4 top-30 prospects. I’m not sure anyone in BB has 4 top-30 prospects.
Clevinger with 2 more yrs of control is worth 2 x Top 100 prospects + a lottery ticket or 2. ( 1 Prospect in the 10-25 range and one in the 50-70 range)
He had one injury shortened season with a Sub 3 era, Only one season with 200 innings.
This is not 3-4 Yrs of Degrom people !
Of all teams in contention Clevinger would be the Ace on 2 ( Marlins an Athletics )
Id love to see the Braves get a Clevenger deal done. They have anything the Indians want. Hopefully, the Indians think they could get something out of the surplus of what are seemingly over-hyped pitchers (e.g. Touissant, Newcomb). That could lessen the blow on other almost-ready prospects.
Clevinger to the Dodgers for Keibert Ruiz, Edwin Rios, and Josiah Gray
That’s actually not a bad deal honestly. However, I think if the Indians move Clevy to LAD, then either May or Lux is coming back.
I think the White Sox top it if they were willing to give up Cease or Dunning along with 2 other players/prospects.
I think a Cease/Dunning + Zach Collins and one other solid piece would get Cleveland’s interest and I think tops the deal you suggest the Dodgers make.
Another sleeper name is Jon Stiever, 5th round draft pick has blossomed as a prospect for the Sox. Could see Cleveland grabbing him, sprinkling their pitching magic dust on him and he becomes a stud.
May has an ERA of 2.83. Clevinger 3.18. There is no way May is going to be traded.
Why would the Dodgers give up Lux or May for Clevinger if they refused to give up either of them for Lindor? Gray is a higher touted pitching prospect than Dunning and if the Indians don’t think that Collins is going to stick at catcher like most do, then Rios has a similar profile with a better showing at the big league level so far. Keibert is definitely going to stay at catcher and the Indians are looking to address their need for bats more so than replacing Clevinger’s pitching too. The Dodgers also have arms on arms for the Indians to choose from to sprinkle their magic pitching dust too if that’s what they’re really after, and they also might not even need a better package because they don’t have to convince the Indians to trade within the division.
If the Dodgers need to give up Lux or May then that’s synonymous to the White Sox needing to give up Vaughn or Kopech. Not saying that they wouldn’t, but the package you proposed isn’t going to be the reason why the Dodgers are forced to include one of their two top prospects. The Dodgers either top that package because the Indians prefer their prospects, or they get outbid by the White Sox coughing up Vaughn or Kopech. I can almost guarantee that Friedman isn’t willing to go there.
Since it doesn’t maek a lot of sense for Cleveland to trade Clevinger, being in 1st and all, I am wondering if Cleveland is more concerned about Clevinger’s walk rate than they are about the Covid issue. He hasn’t always had a pristine walk rate, and maybe they think he might revert to his previous 3.7 BB9 rather than his 2019 2.6.
The ‘we’re trading him because of the Covid issue’ sounds better than ‘we are trading him because we think he is pretty good, but not great’.
Yankees recent struggles may force them to overpay for Clevinger
Ok here 3 team trans for you make some since
Ya Jess would get
RPMike Foltz
Rp Mike Clevingwr
Indians would get
Rp loaniga
If andgue
Rp weigal
Of Florialo
C Morales
Of Duvall
Braces get
Rp pleasac
Of Frazier
Clarifying this..
Yankees get:
Mike Foltynewicz
Mike Clevinger
Indians get:
Jonathan Loaisiga
Miguel Andujar
Patrick Weigel
Estevan Florial
Morales [?]
Adam Duvall
Braces get
Zach Plesac
Clint Frazier
Too complex to even consider..
Plesac won’t be traded. Clev will.
Ok here 3 team trans for you make some since New York , Indiana and Braves
Yankees would get
RPMike Foltz
Rp Mike Clevingwr
Indians would get
Rp loaniga
If andgue
Rp weigal
Of Florialo
C Morales
Of Duvall
Braces get
Rp pleasac
Of Frazier
The Braves need neither a RP, nor an OF.
Of course is a delusional Yankee fan proposing this garbage.
Why would Cleveland trade 2 starters while in first place for a bunch of prospects that can’t help now? Why would the Braves get Frazier in that deal? This makes 0 sense for the Indians
Clint Frazier & Miguel Andujar let’s see Clevinger in pinstripes
@timewalk42…. as long as Jasson Dominguez is carrying their bags.. this works..
Timewalk42, Cleveland would quickly say no.
LOL @ Yankees fans who overvalue Andujar. In his breakout season, he was worth just 2.9 WAR because his defense was so bad. Since then, he’s been worth -2 WAR in just 24 games. Even Chris Davis isn’t that bad. Frazier, Dominguez, and a mid-level would potentially get the Indians’ attention, but even then, if the Braves offer Waters, Wilson or Muller (if the Indians want a LHP), and someone else in the Braves’ top 20, I think they’d prefer that offer.
I don’t see a deal with the White Sox. Sox have two big OF bats, but they won’t trade Eloy or Robert for 2+ yrs of Clevinger. After that, they don’t have any solid OF options, certainly none that are MLB-ready. They could offer the Indians a Catcher (Sox have an odd surplus of them), but unless Cleveland wants to also take on more pitching prospects it doesn’t need, I don’t see the match, unless they’re just that intrigued with Vaughn.
With 2 more years of control no way I’d trade within the division.
I’ve never understood that logic. The Indians want MLB-ready or very-near-MLB-ready prospects and they’d get more total years than they’d give up. They may lose in the short-term, but they could set themselves up long-term and weaken a division rival long-term at the same time. It’s always about what you’re giving up vs what you’re getting in return.
I doubt they trade to devision rivals while there is rivals are right behind them in the standings. That’s just stupid, plus who does Chicago have in the outfield that is any better then what Cleveland’s got, that they will trade. Nah I call BS on this one.
If the Braves trade Clevinger they might as well trade Lindor, Ramirez, Hernandez, Bieber and Civale too because their window is CLOSED!
Which frankly isn’t the worst idea considering no one is going to recognize the 2020 World Series title as legitimate.
Pure poppycock. The White Sox have no intention of dealing what the Indians need. They aren’t going to trade the OFers Cleveland would want. Combine that with the fact that the trade would make CLE the 3rd best team in their own division, it’s non-sensical.
The Indians need power bats more than they need pitching right now. Yes Clevinger is a special type arm but I’m sure they can swap that arm for a special kind of bat!!!