4:54pm: SNY is not in the deal, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets.
4:17pm: Billionaire Steve Cohen has agreed to purchase the Mets from Fred Wilpon and Jeff Wilpon, Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports. Cohen will need approval from 23 MLB owners to acquire the team, and if they sign off on his purchase in November, he’ll own 95 percent of the franchise, according to Tim Healey of Newsday. The deal values the Mets at roughly $2.475 billion, Healey adds.
“I am excited to have reached an agreement with the Wilpon and Katz families to purchase the New York Mets,” Cohen announced.
The Cohen purchase has been a long time coming for the Mets, who have been in on-again, off-again negotiations with him dating back to last winter. Cohen was seemingly in line to buy the team for $2.6 billion before, but the prior deal between him and the Mets collapsed in February. Cohen, who’s a minority owner of the Mets now, would have ended up with 80 percent of the franchise had that agreement gone through. He’ll now take over almost the entire organization, though it’s unclear whether he’ll get the coveted SNY Network in the sale.
After the Mets resumed their attempt to sell the team, Cohen vied against an Alex Rodriguez-Jennifer Lopez team and a Josh Harris-David Blitzer tandem, among others, in order to land the club. Cohen won out for exclusive negotiations on Aug. 28, though Rodriguez was reportedly none too pleased with the Wilpons for how they handled the process.
Of course, Mets fans also aren’t big fans of the Wilpon family, who have been part of their ownership since the 1980s. The Mets have recently endured serious struggles under the Wilpons, who are at the helm of a franchise that hasn’t won a World Series since 1986, has gone to the postseason four times in the 21st century and hasn’t made the playoffs since 2016.
At 21-26 this season, it doesn’t appear the Mets will snap their playoff drought. Considering the difficulties they’ve faced over the past couple seasons, it’s anyone’s guess which changes Cohen will make if he takes over the team before next season. General manager Brodie Van Wagenen could end up on the chopping block, though, as the beleaguered second-year exec has overseen back-t0-back disappointing teams.
Does it include SNY?
No, if it did it would be in the article seeing as it would be relevant to the sale of the club.
More to come…
MLB will have a tough time arguing during the next CBA negotiations that teams are struggling. Yes this is NY but it’s not the Yankees and the amount even much lesser than the original deal is still staggering to not include the network. To get that kind of money during the pandemic when everyone knows the Wilpons have huge debts maturing amazes me.
Why would the Wilpons sell SNY, it’s the only money maker. $2.475 billion only gets you a franchise loser.
Will the new owner start a rebuild?
With the players they have. Why would anyone want to rebuild .
A Partial Retooling could load up the team with young talent
Maybe not a complete rebuild, but certainly no matter how some of the “experts” love to build up the Mets potential, they continue to disappoint year after year. Sometimes the parts just don’t mesh together and significant changes need to be made.
No.
No it does not…But, the contract runs out in 2030
Now comes he will go a background check by MLB before he actually purchase the team.
Hes already a part owner.
They want to make sure he has the wherewithal to sustain the franchise as a majority owner
Integrity as the majority owner, point person is the issue as he clearly has the finances. I believe this makes him the richest owner in baseball. The deal would not have been announced if he’s not already rubber stamped approved. Again, I believe the Wilpons have financial issues coming due in October. Without a deal in place who knows if they would have been able refinance due to COVID-19 related banking business concerns.
It was announced because the Wilpons and Cohen reached a agreement. Much like when you went in to buy your Subaru you and the dealership had a agreement. But the bank and your 390 fico score sank the deal
He has an estimated worth of 13 billion, betcha he doesn’t care much what the bank has to say, he could purchase the team with the money in his couch cushions.
You’re missing the point. He could be worth X. amount of dollars. But how much of it is real money. Example: Former LA Dodger owner Frank McCourt was worth “ Millions”. But he actually owned parking garages. That’s why MLB will investigate and like I said before the owners will vote on it AFTER MLB rubber stamps it’s approval.
that was the problem,MCcourt was only a millionaire
Didn’t matter he was Selig’s friend. .Selig hand picked him to own the team despite his lack of financial resources other than owning parking garage property which was used as collateral to buy the Dodgers And because him and his ex-wife Jamie took the money they were earning as owners of the Dodgers and bought homes with it among other things.. MLB took the Dodgers away from the McCourt’s, Found a buyer in the Guggenheim. Frank McCourt walks off with $2B and he still owns the Dodger Stadium parking lot.Plus the Dodgers pay $14M to rent the parking lots surrounding Dodger stadium from a entity half owned by McCourt..
Now that you mention it Cohen does own several parking garages, he uses them to store his massive piles of cash.
And this folks is what is called projection
lol I didn’t miss the point youre just wrong, Frank McCourt and Steve Cohen are in 2 different stratospheres of wealth. Frank McCourt was an owner of a team that he should never have owned, his purchase was almost entirely leveraged with debt because he didn’t have the money.. Steve Cohen could buy the team with the change in his couch cushion.
I’m not saying Cohen wont by the Mets with debt but the difference is that Cohen can handle the debt, he can handle oceans of debt, McCourt could drown in a puddle of it.
Lose your arrogance because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Steve Cohen’s wealth was accumulated from a hedge fund. He wasn’t running a REIT or commercial real estate portfolio. He has the cash for the Mets and then some.
Now hopefully he’ll rebrand the entire Mets organization from head to toe uniforms marketing and everything. Almost like a total cleansing. Just like colon blow
Did someone say Bartolo Colon?
What about Super Colon Blow? Colon Blow and you in the morning…
Van Wilder
Best SNL commercial parody ever. Phil Hartman was perfect in it.
I beg to differ hiflew. OOPS! I Crapped My Pants was the best SNL commercial. Colon Blow is third best after Schmitt’s Gay.
The closet organizer is one of my all-time favorites.
How many bowls of Colon Blow does it take to equal one Wilpon?
As long as he dumps BVW I will be happy!
I hope they keep the GM base solely on how much it would annoy certain trolls
Keep the classic uniform.
No out with the old.Time for a new beginnings
Why? What’s wrong with Mets Uni’s???
Nothing. The unis are fine.
Perhaps have a statue of a NY Met and not just a shrine to his precious Brooklyn Dodgers. I hope he puts the face of Jeff Wilpon in the urinal so the fans can express their feelings about him.
Statues are tacky. Fine other place, but still tacky. We know he was the Franchise.
He’s ALREADY A PART OWNER so he’s been
Vetted by the owners before.
He still needs approval of at least 23 of the 30 owners after MLB clears him
I don’t believe so. I think the only people vetted are either controlling partners, control people, or majority owners. I don’t believe a minority owner is vetted as it’s essentially a cash influx for the owners when you bring on a minority owner.
Yes, he needs approval. MLB has a different vetting process for minority partners and managing partners. He’s likely to get approved, but with his history it’s not guaranteed.
sources have already said he’s going to be approved, I’m sure the Wilpons got feelers from the other owners before negotiating exclusively with Cohen.
That’s a lot of flushing.
Finally
YEEESSSS! LGM! That’s great!
Now that Cohen purchased the Mets, a group can go after Bob and Ray, and try to buy the Rangers.
CONGRATS METS you needed this. We are pulling for you.
So we get a crook. I’d rather have the Wilpons until we can get someone honest and build a team that is successful year after year. If my fellow fans want someone who will spare no expense, they are no different that entitled, obnoxious fans of the Evil Empire in the Bronx.
most of mlb owners are crooks or most sports franchise owners are crooks it’s how they get filthy rich
As long you get a crook to run the Mets you’re happy amiright?
We know he’ll god cheat to win like everyone else, that’s refreshing!
Marc_from_Brooklyn Typically you don’t gain ‘easily purchase a pro sports team’ level of wealth by being some amazing honest and kind person. I’m sure the vast majority of people that filthy rich have their fair share of shady dealings in their lives
If the Mets become as successful as the “evil empire in the Bronx” I will be a very happy fan. Screw losing.
The Wilpons were also crooks they were using Madoff profits as the cash flow to run their franchise. When that spigot dried up they were exposed as having no cash. Madoff was a close friend of the Wilpons, and there is almost zero chance they didn’t know what was up with his “investments”. They were profiting off of it for years. Jeff was practically an HBO character, he was a horrible, meddling little brat who bullied, harrassed and judged co-workers. Good riddance to the whole crew of them, they were the worst owners in all of sports.
Good luck finding an honest billionaire
thanks 🙂
Bye bye Coupons
Bye Bye Tampons
Mutt and Jeff
Only in NY can a team with the 10th highest payroll as recently as 2018, be labeled as cheap. The Wilpons problem wasn’t not spending. Their problem was not spending wisely.
Exactly. The whole “coupons” thing is childish and wrong.
You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. A major sports franchise in NY should at least be a top five franchise in salaries year in and out. Out of the past 10 seasons they’ve been in the top ten 3 times. In the years they weren’t top 10 they were at 15 or lower 6 times. They’ve even had payrolls under 100 million a few times. Mets fans are tired of plugging holes yearly from the bargain bin. One year deals just to get by. BVW should have been fired after his stupid comments on Zack Wheeler and the Mets perceived value. Hopefully the first move Cohen does is fix that mistake
The idea that because you have money you are obligated to spend it for the sake of spending is ridiculous. It’s not how you run a business, not how you run a team and not how you build a winner.
10th largest payroll 3 years ago, playing in the top market?
They were cheap.
And stupid.
And corrupt.
People forget MLB had to float them loans so they could make payroll, and they basically placed Sandy Alderson there to righten the ship and keep the Wilpons away from their own fracnchise. For several seasons they were not able to sign long term contracts because these moves would not be approved by their many creditors and banks they were in default to. (BOA was one of them…)
And as bad as their financial follies were, their main issue was meddling.
Jeff Wilpon was making baseball decisions, and micromanaging everything he could despite a complete lack of intelligence or experience.
The idiot son of a billionaire, making personnel decisions and imposing his authority on the idiot agent they hired to be his stooge.
They were a total clown show as far back as Pedro Martinez, who has joined other players in saying the Wilpons bungled medical issues and tried to force players to play through injuries.
Clown show yes. Cheap when it comes to spending on players, no.
Yea the Wilpons are cheap narrative is oft repeated but completely false. At least when it comes to spending on players.
Cosmodeus
you can say they were number 10 but that number included salary for both Wright and Cespedes which the the Wilpons were not actually paying and sort of fudging that payroll number. remove wright and cespedes worth i think the number was somewhere around 30 mil and if i remember correctly with that adjustment puts them somewhere around 16 or 17 when i looked at this a few weeks ago.
A lack of spending on players has never been this team’s problem. You spend smart, you don’t spend for the sake of it, or because of some arbitrary nonsense that says you’re in NYC so you gotta compete for the highest payroll. Championships are cultivated, not built with big splashes in free agency. Jus because a players contract gets paid off by insurance, it doesn’t obligate you to immediately replace those obligations with big contracts.
This article has been up for 45 minutes and there are only 14 comments lol. Are there only 14 people that care enough about this event to post on it? This is huge news for the Mets and MLB in general. Kinda disheartening IMO.
Some people have a life outside of this site.
That doesn’t sound right.
So who going to own the other 5% of the team?
Bernie Madoff.
Bernie Madoff will be the New GM.
BM will run the team from Prison lol!
Bobby Bonilla will have a stake as well
Yes, Bonilla’s contract says he gets 30% of the team if it’s sold.
Katz and the Wilpon’s
Alex and Jennifer lol
Give it to Theo Epstein to come and run the Mets.
Congrats Mets fans, you have an owner that wants to spend, and who will hopefully (and most likely) do better.
Mets fans must feel like the Dodgers fans did when McCourt finally sold the team. Granted, the ownership tenures were not the same, but the desire to get rid of a terrible owner is likely comparable.
Now to get rid of Bob Nutting in Pittsburgh.
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Cohen had a vision of making SNY a national network, so that people all across the country could watch Mets baseball. I would’ve liked that since I live in Texas and I don’t have MLB tv, but I like the Mets. It is what it is, but I hope they can get an SNY deal done some other time.
Back in the days before MLB got greedy and had to pay these 10’s of millions dollar contracts? Several teams could be seen for free on cable tv. Wor had the mets. TBS Braves. WGN Cubs. All nationwide. Now, MLB wants everyone to pay 139 a year for the privilege to have multiple teams blacked out to everyone for nonsense reasons. Not to mention those idiotic facebook only games.
I refuse to purchase MLB network because of blackout restrictions. It’s not worth the dollar signs for a Network that won’t play any team I watch or follow. I live in NY and follow the Pirates. Pittsburgh is a regional network and gets blacked out in NY. But cable companies will offer ROOT sports, but black out the games. So, I haven’t even bothered to watch baseball games the last few years due to the disagreements with TV rights within baseball.
Happy Cohen got the team. He’s likely to secure the 23 owners approval in November too. Won’t be surprised to see if he lands SNY once he’s officially locked in as Mets owner. It will probably cost him another $2B.
Why didn’t it come with the deal? I don’t want the Wilpons owni g anything the Mets are associated with. They are And were horrible owners. Always playing the victim in the NY Market! Sales will sky rocket once Nov comes along! November seems so far away!
Because SNY makes the Wilpons money, and they want keep making money. They’ll likely sell it to Cohen eventually…they have less than 10 years left on their deal to broadcast Mets games, and then they’ll either sell it to Cohen, or he’ll take the Mets elsewhere and the network will be worthless.
I wonder how much the penalty is to break the sny contract, might be cheaper than what a perennial playoff mets team brings back in ratings
He Probably will buy SNY for another $2B in November when he’s locked in officially. LGM!
First good day of this wretched year
Yes yes. Just wonderful!
As a Cubs fan who had to suffer years of crappy ownership, I want to say congrats to Mets fans, hopefully new beginnings await.
From a Yankees fan, I will say this, congratulations Mets fans, the Wiltpigs really needed to go and it finally happened.
What makes you want to call them pigs? What have they done to you personally to result in such hatred?
Also, there’s nothing wrong with pigs, who are gentle and social animals.
Don’t forget how delicious they are too
With the group of young players the Mets already have. And a ownership that isn’t a joke. NL east should be scared for the future.
Look who’s back from hiding.
And young players? Uhhh…I don’t know if you realize, but the Braves and Marlins are younger teams than the Mets. And they are very talented organizations. And I don’t know if you’re aware, but your Ace pitcher (only proven Ace) is already 32. I’m not sure in what universe is that considered young. The majority of the rest of the roster are in their primes. Braves scared of the Mets? Really? Marlins are coming on strong too with some talent….talent that is not overrated until they prove they have the goods for multiple years – not 5 seconds like most Mets players historically.
And you know nothing yet about Cohen’s ownership until you see what he’s about. Predictions are not you Mets fans strong suit. You all seem to not get the concept about not counting your chickens until they hatch.
I’m not hiding…. The marlins are younger.. yes but not better lol… I’m not talking about the record for a 60 game season where it’s a abbreviated season…. name me one marlins hitter better than
Conforto
Smith
Alonso
Davis
Nimmo
McNeil
You can’t… marlins do better in a 60 games season where the Mets are missing half their rotation and a pump the chest… lol this is funny. I hope you’re not expecting the marlins to finish 2nd next year when its a 162 game season. Don’t get your hopes up…
I hope you’re not expecting the Mets to finish second either.
2020 is still a season. Still counts. There’s still a WS and the Mutts aren’t going to compete for it.
Injuries happen to EVERY team, stop using them as an excuse to justify losses.
This year they won’t. I’d rather be like the Mets tho that when they make the playoffs they could actually win. Unlike the Braves who make it a lot but you already know they are a first round exit.. good luck this year lol
Injuries happen to every team. But when the two teams get injured you can’t say one is better bc they both playing with backups… the marlins are not more talented than Mets when it comes to the best 25. In no universe would the be better if both teams played 162 games fully healthy… same goes to Phillies. Only team who would do better is Braves imo
Yeah, the Mets have shown that they have a chance in the postseason when they make it.
Hmmm…what team has the longest championship drought in the NL East? Lets see…
Braves won in 1995
Phillies won in 2008
Nats won in 2019
Marlins won in 2003
Mets won in 1986
Yep, the Mets are the ones that have the chance to win in the postseason, unlike these other teams in the NL East.
Hmmmm…I just noticed that the Marlins have never lost a postseason series. Gosh darn it, they never have a chance in the postseason!
Marlins have also never won the division lol
That’s not division titles that World Series titles lol
Ik I was just letting him know.
Marlins talented prospect have proved less than mets talented prospects when it comes to everyday players so I don’t know what you’re taking about.
Take Nimmo off your list. Just stop with that guy. He would be a backup on our team (Dickerson, Marte, Ramirez who’s on DL for year). Nimmo sucks. All he does is walk. When he has to swing, he’s garbage. The league is starting to put pitchers that throw strikes against him in key moments,
You don’t know what Alonso is yet. He’s had one good rookie season Now he’s dealing with the adjustments. Can he adjust back? We’ll see. Right now you don’t know if you have Mark McGwire or Dave Kingman there.
Same thing with Smith. You don’t know if this is just hot for a short season.
JD Davis has just last year in a part-time role of success. This year and his previous years, he’s just another player that’s easily replaceable. Maybe you need to rethink listing him considering how his season compares to Marlins players this year and career-wise.
I’ll give you Conforto and McNeil.
As for offense comparison, what you don’t get, as I’ve said before, you just have some guys who are individually solid, but don’t mesh well. Our offense comes through effectively in key moments, where the Mets don’t have the chemistry to be consistent. Also, you’re going to see what our prospects can do. They just started coming up. You’ll see. With our offense, as you can see, we have a team that meshes. And we’re building a culture, but of course you wouldn’t know about any of this since you don’t learn about other teams in your own division.
And other aspects to our position players where we are significantly better that the Mets. We run the bases better and it’s not even close. And defense is a laughable distance because you have a crappy defense, while we can pick it. You’re not in our league in defense.
Also, besides deGrom, how does the rest of your SPs fair against ours? And this is just the beginning. We don’t need our pitchers to be overrated. You’re going to see.
So now, after you said that the Marlins would finish 15 games out of 4th place even in a 60-game season, you’re changing things to excuses?
Let me see. So the Mets have it worse than what the Marlins had? The Marlins lost 2/3rds of their roster for the bulk of the season. They lost 3/5ths of their SPs; 2/3rds of their bullpen; half their starting lineup…but the Mets have the excuses? Man, one would think that a team that has the great Nimmo and all those other guys healthy wouldn’t lose to a scrub team that lost 2/3rds of their roster.
Seriously, the last time you heard from a few of us before you went into hiding, it was made clear that you lost credibility. That still stands. Sorry, but you’re better off showing some class, admitting you were wrong, and giving some credit to the Marlins for doing what you made clear was impossible for them, even up to the point before you pulled your disappearing act.
But keep making those excuses. How many years have you been coming up with them? Next year, will it be that they aren’t “living up to their potential” again? Or will it be Rojas’ fault? Or the distractions of the team sale? I can’t wait to hear it.
You lose all credibility when your first paragraph says “Nimmo sucks”. And then to try and back that up by saying Harold Ramirez? Is better than him? Cmon man.
Nimmo is an average big league player and a pretty good fourth outfielder on a good team. He is a legitimate major league player, but by no means a star.
Ramirez is a better player than Nimmo, and younger. He actually can hit his way onto base. Nimmo is only a guy that walks his way onto base. He does nothing else of merit.
Nimmo would be your best OF. You’re confused. Every player I named would start for your team
Exactly. Mets fans always fall in love for these mediocre players just because they start for their flawed teams.
Nimmo doesn’t hit and can’t field. Despite decent speed, he is not the best guy on the basepaths. He offers nothing except taking pitches for walks when the pitcher can’t find the strikezone. Against pitchers that throw strikes, Nimmo is pretty much worthless – a 4th OF.
Nimmo would not start on the Marlins. He ain’t starting over Dickerson, Marte (that’s laughable) or Ramirez. Even now, with Ramirez out for the season, Nimmo would be platooning with Brinson until Sierra gets back, then he’d be back to the bench.
Nimmo is garbage. Just stop already. Taking walks is not a skill. He doesn’t even need to take a bat to the plate. He can just go to the plate with a wiffle bat.
You are funny… the fish would gladly give Jeter’s first born to have Alonso, Smith and Nimmo on their team.
Nimmo would be your second best OF. If you “don’t know what” Alonso and Smith are, then you have a lot to learn about this game.
Alonso yes. Smith, maybe. Nimmo…not because he’s too much money for a guy that will be our 4th OF.
As for Alonso, where is that long resume that shows he is defintely what he was last year?
I’ve seen many guys come up, have great early careers, and then fizzle out after the league figures them out, but then they can’t adjust to the league.
Huh, this conversation about Alonso reminds me of another Mets 1B that you all were touting as a sure thing after some early career success. He was some guy that you all were talking about how he was as good as Buster Posey, and better than Giancarlo Stanton and Jason Heyward. What was his name? Oh yeah….the legendary Ike Davis!
Again, nobody knows if Alonso is Mark McGwire or Dave Kingman.
Wait so you say yes to wanting Alonso on your team but you have questions about him? Smith is only a maybe yet he would be best hitter on the fish as things stand right now. Your fanboy glasses are making you fail to see reality.
Of course know one knows what he will end up being, the same can be said about every player until their career is through. No one knows what Acuna will be or what Tatis Jr will be turn out to be… we can only watch what they have done and make educated guesses.
I’m not a Met fan but you are clueless if you think Ramirez is better than Nimmo. Guys with a career 128 ops plus are not fourth outfielders, you cannot be taken seriously if you are that biased.
Nimmo starts on most good teams…
Nimmo’s last 250 games he has posted an OPS of .851, and OPS+ of 135 to go along with a 6 WAR.
Oh, and that includes a half season where Dr. Jeff Wilpon and his crack medical team misdiagnosed an injury and had him play for months with whiplash lol.
On what planet is that a 4th OF?
The people who don’t recognize Nimmo’s ability are the people who are still judging players like it’s 1972 and worrying about batting average.
Ironic that people on a site linked to baseballreference.com are incapable of understanding what all of these pesky numbers mean.
“Nimmo can’t field, Dickerson is better!”
Says the man unaware that Dickerson is perhaps the worst defensive OF in baseball, is OPSing 120 points less than Brandon Nimmo and has a WAR of -0.4.
Ramirez is better you say?
With a lifetime OPS 100 points below Nimmo’s and a lifetime WAR of 0.3 as a 26 year old.
Sounds like a solid, fact-based argument!!!
All Nimmo does is walk? Ah… the old getting on base and avoiding outs thing, how useless. Seriously, folks who know about baseball stop disdaining walks in favor of batting average 50 years ago. Maybe look into some modern analytics, you know, info from people who actually study the sport on a level above talk radio.
Nimmo starts on EVERY team. He’s a great player. His critics are stuck in the Stone Age.
Nimmo is better than Marte. Better OBP, better OPS+…. There is really no argument here. You’re basing your opinion on ideas that were thrown in the waste bin 50 years ago.
@Cosmodeus
Yeah, listen to the guys that studied the sport based on theories with very little or no playing experience instead of guys like me that played into college ball or higher levels.
Humans play the game; not robots. Stats based on theories don’t cover a lot of the nuances in the game. And those stats are admittedly flawed and works in progress, as stated by the people that create them. All analytics in every industry are works in progress based on theory.
What I do know, is when you have a high OBP, but low batting average, pitchers that throw strikes get you out. If you are a guy that has a higher batting average, pitchers that throw strikes (like nearly every playoff team has) can’t get you out as easily. They have to get you to chase bad pitches.
FYI – OBP is how often you get on base. Batting average is how successful you are when you are forced to swing the bat. Guess what happens when you play good teams. Playoff teams have pitchers that throw strikes. If you can’t hit for average, you aren’t effective against pitchers that throw strikes.
Nimmo sucks. Deal with it. He might as well go to the plate with a wiffle bat because he ain’t swinging and even when he does, he isn’t an offensive threat.
And guess what.
A guy that hits successfully that chases pitches can be fixed into being more patient and the guy with his success when he swings. A guy that can’t hit, and depends solely on taking walks, can’t be fixed. You either can hit or you can’t.
You are arguing from an amateur point of view against professional, educated analytics. Math is science. It’s how you get to truth in these matters. Having played the game doesn’t give you the bird’s eye view that studying the game academically does. You are holding onto old school ideas that EVERY organization has left behind in favor of better ideas. I’m sure your thoughts go over well on talk radio amongst folks who speak without ever studying but people whose decisions actually matter go with modern, researched and proven analytics, not age old, long since debunked assumptions. But keep thinking a high OBP, low BA player “can’t hit”, or that clutch is a thing. You need to pull yourself out of the Stone Age.
Do you even know what batting average measures? It is your average based on how successful you are at getting a basehit when you swing the bat. That covers how good a hitter you are. When you hit for a low batting average, you are not successful at getting basehits. OBP covers how well you get on base. The flaw in analytics is that they actually need another analytical stat to cover a guy like Nimmo. It needs to be a statistic that covers only your percentage of getting on without a hit. That is what should be compared with batting average to get true measures of players. And also, it is another measurement when front offices are determining what type of player they want.
As for math is science, basic math without deigned formulas are. Formulated math is also science, but they are not based in fact; they are based in theories that if you combine certain formulas, they give measurements that lead to a theoretical conclusion. True and all analytics come up with multiple conclusions, and it is up to the opinion of a particular person, what those results mean as far as the conclusion. In the end, essentially, if you have a certain belief before you go in, you will create a formula that proves your point or comes up with multiple results, but your preconceived notion will be the result that you focus on. That’s why person’s like you are able to pull up and twist stats around to support your point of view. It’s not that those stats support you. They are that you had a predetermined opinion that you were looking for the stats that would support it. For example, you have decided that you like Nimmo, and you will focus only on the stats that prove that he is good. And the same group of you that use stats to prove what you think about him, will then use a different set of stats and analytics to defend McNeil, because he’s the opposite type of player – a player that actually can hit, but his career OBP is lower than Nimmo’s.
See, I’m a business owner and am aware of analytics. You’re not dealing with one of those old schoolers who has no clue how they really work. If you were making or losing money based on analytics, you wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss what the other results are telling you, if you stuck to one result that kept making you fail.
I’ve given you my view how Nimmo is below average to me. You already decided long ago that he’s a star to you and you’re determined to twist and turn any stat that supports your argument.
Also, if analytics are so correct, why is it that they normally are wrong at predicting sports? Why is it that the eye ball test seems to get it right more often, even to this day?
Ahem, why is PECOTA almost always wrong about their predictions?
Oh yeah, and how can you analytically explain why the Mets keep failing? Or how this season has gone?
He’re my bit. I bet there are some stats that you aren’t looking at that can answer all of the questions I just asked, but you refuse to look at them because they don’t support your predetermined opinions.
Dude, the people who run basically every major league franchise hold the complete opposite point of view to yours. You might wanna think about that.
You are arguing against things that have been decided as fact a long time ago, you are basically a baseball flat earther at this point.
Literally nobody even vaguely involved in evaluating baseball players agrees with anything you are saying.
Your evaluation of Nimmo is laughable, I know people who make a living evaluating players. Some of them even draw a paycheck for the team you root for. They would wince when they read your line of reasoning.
The Marlins would love to have Nimmo, he’d be their leadoff hitter and one of their top offensive players by any metric except for the ones that apply to people who watch the games wearing a football helmet.
theruns: amen. Well said.
Hey fishfanbase thank you for providing some context into why you are such a bitter fanboy. Your illusions of making it to the bigs didn’t pan out, so naturally you channel that disappointment into ragging on other teams prospects. It all makes sense now.
Nimmo with another bomb tonight, he has a .918 OPS.
That seems pretty good for a 4th OF lol.
And for a guy with a wiffle ball bat to rock a slugging % of .510 is also pretty impressive.
His OPS is 220 points higher than Dickerson, is that a lot?
You work in analytics so maybe you’d know.
You are actually 10,000% wrong on this… the notion that you can “teach” plate discipline is absurd and ignorant, just like everything else you babble about.
Hitters that identify pitches and recognize the strike zone are the ones who are far more likely to advance as offensive players….. the chasers are the ones who are more likely to be exposed as they advance through the league and teams gather intel on them.
There’s a reason why the list of hitters who do not chase pitches out of the strike zone is often a list of elite hitters like Trout and Votto.
Brandon Nimmo is usually high up on that list, which is why he is good and you take the short bus to baseball camp.
Speaking of young players, the lowly Nats arguably, have the best young player in the division (I said arguably, Braves fans),
his arm is considered young cause it doesn’t have as much mileage as other 32 yr old starters
Father time doesn’t care about that. Men age because of Father Time, not arm mileage.
Ok fishfanbase, we get it you are a bitter fanboy. No other team besides the fish can have good players, we got your point.
It’s both age and arm usage that causes pitcher decline. It’s not one or the other.
What we know about Cohen’s ownership is that he has enough cash to spend $140 million on an art sculpture and laugh about it, and that he made his billions in cash by hiring brilliant, data driven minds and letting them do their jobs.
Sounds like a perfect owner.
Maybe he’ll buy some of the leftover Loria art that you guys are going to have to pawn so you can pay your young players.
Well, it was fun chatting again and hearing your lame excuses again MetsFan22. I guess you’ll go back into hiding now until you feel the weather is fair enough for you to come out again.
See you when that happens. I can’t wait!
I’m not hiding. I don’t care how many games the marlins win this year. It’s obvious they are the least talented team…. the giants last year and pirates last year did good for half a year. Horrible teams could do good and the marlins are doing it rn
But remember you said that the Marlins would be 15 games back, even in a 60-game schedule. Remember, before you disappeared, you said the Marlins aren’t a playoff team. Remember, you also said during the season that the Marlins would be in last shortly.
What happened?
MarlinsFanBase can you name me one offensive or pitching statistic where the marlins are the leader in? Hell can you show me one Marlins statistic they are better at than the mets currently?
The way all the stats line up they should very well be in 4th maybe 5th place. The team has been lucky to stay in 2nd place but luck only gets you so far but since it is 60 games luck will get you into the playoffs as a stringing together a streak or two will get you there.
Also by your own reasoning, you have a lot of “young” players. How do you know if your great players are Mark McGwires vs Kingmans or are they feeding them steroids too? Maybe they all have their sails ripped open once all the other teams have films on them similar to what happened to Ike and Duda and Greg Bird and host of other players. Maybe they all turn into all Mallex Smiths.
Marlins are still not a playoff team. Making it this year doesn’t mean anything. Everyone knows where the marlins would be over a year…
Thank you. He thinks the marlins are actually better than the Mets
And no matter what the Marlins do they’ll still have the most hideous uniforms in the sport. Can’t even read the numbers on the back of the jersey.
Name one offensive statistic and pitching statistic that the Marlins are currently better than the Mets? Okay, I have one statistic that covers both.
Marlins 24-21
Mets 21-26
That is a current stat.
The End.
Marlins have been better than the Mets this year. On this we can agree.
Who cares. Both teams aren’t very good. What’s your excuse this week? I thought if 10 different things broke the right way for the Mets they could win the World Series? Can’t believe that didn’t work out. You are delusional if you think the Mets are magically going to be great next year. Time to take the blinders off.
Lmao he got fleeced, the Mets aren’t worth diddly without SNY. Can’t believe Cohen agreed to that
You have no idea what you are talking about
Cohen will sell the Mets for like 17 kajillion dollars in 2050, and the new owner will move them to Mars
Cannot believe you think you are smarter than Cohen in relation to this deal
Cohen should have made the deal last time when no one else was bidding..He walked away and did not re engage….This time, Cohen had 2 other very viable, well funded bidders to compete against….which is why the price went up and why the Network was off the table…
he paid less than his original offer and I believe he bought a higher percentage than before
He paid less this time and now he doesn’t have to deal with Jeffy for five years. He would have paid twice to not have Jeffy around.
Congrats Mets fans. As a fan of a team that had a horrible owner, I understand the jubilee that comes when that ownership is gone.
The NL East now can just play ball with the departure of both Loria and the Wilpons over the last few years. Good riddance to both ownerships.
Now the big question will be: Does Cohen build the organization in a manner that is still about making headlines or will he change the atmosphere to one that is just about baseball? That’s where I personally felt the Mets failed as a franchise and earned the ire of division rivals and rival fans.
I suspect he will be a smarter version of Mike Llitch. He knows New York is a top 2 market it the country, and he wants them to spend like it. I expect names like Springer, but not overpays for aging vets.
Not many baseball fans care if A-Fraud is upset or not.
If I was part of the A Rod and J Lo group or the Josh Harris/David Blitzer Group
I would think about SUING!!!!
Was the silent/secret Mets Sale bidding process RIGGED?!?!
Why was the Wilpon Group asking the K Rod/JLo group what their bid was
prior to the Cohen Bid?!
I have no dog in this hunt, but was the Mets bidding process rigged to favor the Cohen Group.?!?!..
Did the JLo/ARod have the top bid before the Wilpon group, allegedly, shared their bid number with the Cohen group?!
Inquiring Minds Want to Know!!!
Not gonna lie, I love this post.
I don’t think there was anything underhanded in the deal, but I love your style.
I’m totally being sincere in case that sounds like Internet snark. Your style and voice are definitely distinctive.
He sounds like king orange or a nutty qanon conspiracy theorist.
Who cares
nobody wants to know, it’s a private company and Wilpons/Katz can do whatever the hell they want with the team. crying arod can’t sue
The Mets Deal was supposed to be ” “secret/confidential bidding with the Mets going to the highest,/secret bidder. Then, someone representing the Wilpons/Mets ,allegedly, (according to Media reports),.requested/demanded that the JLo/Arod group reveal the “numbers” regarding their private/secret bid.?!?!
Then, allegedly, the JLo/Arod bid numbers were passed along by the Wilpon’s representative/employee to the Cohen group so that the Cohen Group could adjust their bid higher to beat the JLo/Arod bidding Group?!
Remember, the Cohen group was “low balling” the Wilpons and the Wilpons wanted to maintain control for 5 years and not include the TV Network in the last failed sale attempt.
Does something smell very fishy about this Mets Sale Process?!?!
Should the Mets do a Teardown and Rebuild with a New GM.
Or should the Mets to a “retooling”..and make tweaks to the present foundation of players?!
Let’s hope they rebuild/ retool and compete at the same time. Similar to when the dodgers new ownership took over.
BREAKING: Alex Rodriguez acquires compensation pick Fred Wilpon from Mets, complete sale to Steve Cohen.
The Mets dodged a huge ARod/JLo bullett on this one…
Even with the new owner, I still can’t imagine the Mets signing Realmuto… This team has what it takes to win the division, but I’m not sure how it’s gonna happen.
The only reason i say Realmuto is a target is he would by far be the biggest splash you could make in the FA signing department and from what i have read in prior articles thats something Cohen wants to do to show he is here and means business. Also it can be justified for the Mets as with Ramos being a FA after the season is Nido going to be your starting catcher going forward?
I would say 4-5 yrs at 15-18M might get the job done and he is still solid producer and for this year atleast that would be 8M more than Ramos option for this year. Even in the latter years he can platoon as a right hander at 1st base.
The Mets would be the perfect team for Theo Epstein to take over and run.
Hes 64 ,unless he had kids i dont see this as a long ownership.unless he has younger partners as well
At 64, Cohen can go at least another 20 years as an active owner.
Yea, what the heck? 64 isn’t that old.
64 isnt old,if you’re over 70
Will the Wilpons-Cohen Deal for the Mets Close?!
OR will the Wilpons find a way to f*** this deal up too?!
Wonder what the Vegas odds are of Closing versus more screw ups by the Wilpons?!