Zach Davies will get the start in game two of the NLDS tonight, per the team. Presumably, this lines up Chris Paddack for a game 3 start.
A lot rides on Davies tonight, not only because a 2-0 deficit would put the Padres on the brink of elimination, but because the bullpen has been pushed hard so far this postseason. Mike Clevinger’s injury left the Padres to rely on their relievers beginning in the second inning of game two. This after using at least 9 pitchers per game in each of their postseason games this season. It’s an all hands on deck situation for San Diego.
To the Padres’ credit, they saw this coming, at least in part. They did roster 15 pitchers for the series, more than most teams, though with Clevinger’s injury they’re essentially playing a man down. Still, so long as they’re comfortable going all 15-deep, the Padres can survive the series this way. They could theoretically get through today’s game not using anybody who pitched yesterday, and then head into game three with 8 relievers having had a day of rest. A long outing from Davies would go a long way to resetting the rest of the bullpen. That’s easier said than done, though as Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register notes, Davies has pitched well against the Dodgers in his career with a 2.37 ERA in 8 starts.
Of course, game four is when it will get really complicated for the Padres. They’ll be looking at bullpen games in game 4 and in game 5, unless Clevinger is able to make his way back. They could replace Clevinger on the roster, but they’d lose him for the NLCS then as well. If that were to happen, Luis Perdomo, Michel Baez, and MacKenzie Gore would be options to take the roster spot, per the Athletic’s Dennis Lin. Of the three, Gore is not on the 40-man roster, which is full.
Pads going to knockout the mighty Dodgers.
Sure as long as they win at a .750 clip the rest of the series.
calling them mighty would be warranted if 1988 wasn’t so long ago
Mentioning 88 would be relevant if they weren’t bankrupt just 9 years ago
If 88 wasn’t 3 ownership groups ago
But what do facts have to do with your opinions!?!
fact: winning championships brings enshrinement in sports. I know it’s tough to swallow., but it’s not 1988, it’s every year since then up until this moment.
Championship baseball starts at 9:08. You should try it sometime.
Hahahaha
This guy talking Enshrinement in sports. You can’t even pick your freakin team! Your two favorites play 19 times a year! And you just happen to be a fan of the team that won 3 titles in the last 10 years too, while being a fan of the most electric young team in baseball? you’re Such a bandwagon troll it’s not even funny
You can bash LA for not winning in the last 7 years all you want. But once you start talking 88, and ignore it went Fox- McCourt- a parking lot- to bankruptcy court- to force sale to THEN 2012
Well you’re a troll so no one cares what you say
yeah buddy. Im insecure.. thats why I’ve destroyed every argument you and other padre bandwagon fans (which you admit to being, btw) have thrown at me
Just like im worried that the Dodgers did the EXACT thing they should do against pitchers they haven’t seen often, and had bad control…. wait them out
They walked 10x in 6 innings. the dodgers then did what the Padres didn’t do in their 4 run inning. THEY PUT THE BALL IN PLAY
One ball in play in the 2nd inning.. its quite likely a completely different game. But the padres wanted to hit a grand slam, not string 4 hits together like LA. AND THEY LOST
But yea man. Im the worried one. Because the Dodgers were the ones who made multiple defensive mistakes, then had their manager tossed just trying to spark his team.
ah the asterisk. Says the guy who claims he was a Bonds fan. But you already said yesterday if SD won, theres no asterisk. You’re a joke
Someone secure wouldn’t come off so defensive or deflectable.
I’m not a Bonds fan. I am a Tatis jr fan though. Now blabber on Troll.
@brewer88 you got owned twice today your not good at this.
Hahaha
A giants fan who claims they aren’t a bonds fan
A giant fan who claims they’re also a padre fan
Oh and in the meantime you cheer for the two best teams in the AL that haven’t cheated in the last 5, maybe 10 years?
You’re not a fan of a team. You’re a fan of whoever is winning at the time. I’ve been a dodger fan for 20 years. One team. Win or lose. You’re a follower
Why risk further damage to one of your best pitchers like that? I get it, it’s the playoffs but if they knew this might happen they shouldn’t have risked it. Pretty ignorant if you ask me. I actually was happy for the Padres, they had a decent team then made some good trades to get better and not just for his year but for a few years at least but they gotta be smarter and not think this is their only chance at making a run.
As I understand it the elbow injury is more about pain management and velocity, so he’s not likely to impact next season health by trying to pitch now.
Someone has a forearm strain, then comes back out and within an inning loses 4MPH on all pitches?
Yeah nothing could possibly be wrong there
Good trades like which ones?
If the Pads can overcome losing Clev and Lamet (for what at this point might be the whole playoffs if not most of them) and even just beat the Dodgers they deserve serious credit. I just can’t see it – the hill appears too steep. That offense has to work its magic or they’re toast.
It really comes down to if the offense can score some runs. 1 run and 3 hits in game 1 isn’t going to cut it no matter how great your pitchers are.
Offense was ok. Took pitches and got walks. They had chances. They just didn’t capitalize like the dodgers did.
Tingler and his mismanagement of the pitching, plus eventual ejection, is what did them in.
Padres want to win they need to
– keep up the pressure on the base paths
– gotta be perfect on defense
– bunt down the 3rd base line on shifts. its the playoffs. beat the shift.
If bunting down the third base line were simple and effective, everyone would do it and you wouldn’t see extreme shifts anymore.
Also, how many more articles need to be written for people to realize that bunting is a really bad strategy?
I’ll give you a pass since Padres fans started paying attention in the past 12 months or so.
People don’t bunt because they think its “lame”.
I dont expect Hosmer or Moreland to do so.
Cronenworth and Profar I do expect to try to bunt to keep defenses honest with their speed.
How many more articles? None have been written why players, especially with speed, have completely abandoned the drag bunt as a means to beat the shift. Cannot remember the last time I saw a drag bunt.
Maybe you’re too young to remember what a drag bunt is. Let me guess. Giants fan since their 3rd world series?
Trust me, if you gave a left-handed hitter the option of:
A. Swing like a man and hit into the shift, or
B. Pull off a lame bunt, but get on base
They pick the second option every time. Every time. Turns out, it’s not really that simple.
MMM,
There are dozens of articles explaining why players don’t bunt against the shift. Including many with comments from players.
In one article from AZCentral, David Peralta claims that directing a bunt is incredibly difficult. Yes, it happens from time to time, but as it’s been stated by others, if it were easy, it would be done often.
Others have stated that it’s a pretty ineffective way to play. Obviously you’d prefer someone like Cody Bellinger to be on 1st Base, as opposed to him cranking a home run, so teams take their chances by leaving one side of the field open.
Bunting against the shift is something you might be able to do in beer-league softball, but it’s not something that is effectively done facing pitchers who throw 90+ towards the hands.
There are tons of statistical reasons why teams shift, and if you think it can be broken up simply by shifting against it, I think you’re oversimplifying at best and completely misunderstanding at worst.
Saying players aren’t making attempts at positive plays because they think “it’s lame” has got to be one of the silliest things I’ve read on here. These are pro players playing in the playoffs – if bunting against the shift really was that easy to do, they’d be doing it, because its a base hit.
Yup. I think people just assume that everyone knows how to bunt. Fact of the matter is that bunting at higher levels is a lost art. Many players just simply don’t know how to do it.
Curious as to what particular mismanagement you are referring. Was it going to Richards, a guy that everyone has been blaming him for NOT using? Was it for pulling Clev for is own health? Was it for including his best option when medical obviously cleared him? What is the alternative? Leave Clev off only to hear about why he left him out after he was cleared? Was it his fault Hos failed to catch a ball in jos glove that opened the door to the scoring? There was that no hitter going, right?
1. starting clevinger when he wasnt healthy
2. Austin adams comes in and faces 1 guy. not the first time its happened. wasted 2 arms in the process (adams and the guy after him).
3. more specifically to last night pulling Weathers when Kiki was announced to replace pederson.
1. Clearly his was cleared medically.
2. Taking Adams out didn’t change the dynamic of the game.
3. Only hours before he is criticized by the world of all knowing for including Weathers and now, you find the ability to criticize him for only letting him pitch to what, 6 guys in a 0-0 game after he somehow managed to get 4 guys out!
Wow, I think you should apply for the job.
1. Clearly he wasn’t 100% who did they use the Charger doctors? He dropped 6 mph on his fastball between innings. Could barely throw the 2nd pitch.
2. Really? Austin Adams coming in to replace Weathers who the dodgers haven’t seen before didnt change things? So if Weathers finished the inning Adams could have been used later instead of Richards. Sure bud. Keep telling yourself that. Wasting a pitcher for 1 guy means you can’t use him later. Not rocket science.
3. I didn’t critize Weathers being there. So idk what that has to do with anything. Sounds like you have some issues to work out regarding that. Seek professional help instead of getting butt hurt about it on the internet man.
Oh no! The generic “apply for the job” insult! How will I recover from that? Why don’t you pick an easier sport to follow.
@Marvels: I agree with much of what you’re arguing with perhaps the exception of replacing Weathers for Adams. Arm management and game/series management are tough to balance, and Tingler has been using Adams to get tough outs. He could have left Adams (who threw 10 pitches) in to pitch another inning (15-20 more pitches), but the Dodger line up that next inning wasn’t ideal for Adams, and the extra work would also potentially eliminate Adams from pitching tonight, which he very well might need to do..
So using your logic and the benefit of hindsight, Clev shouldn’t have pitched at all.
Yet, in Adams, a guy also very recently back from injury, albeit a knee which is still important to pitching, you find it acceptable to use him?
How does this work for you? Is it just a when you want it to situation?
Forget the fact that as a manager, Tingler has access to first hand information on specific players.
Please tell me, how would he have escaped your logic and hindsight if after being cleared by those with actual medical degrees, he would have omitted Clev?
Trying to find your sense of applying your logic equally is all. Didn’t say you did criticize Weathers but, almost everyone did and if that had failed, most surely you add that as your #4 mismanagement fact!
The real managers live in a damned if you do and damned if you do t world without hindsight. Like Richards not being used – criticism because surely he would have done great only to have the criticism
when used because he didn’t have it.
You can choose to hate Tingler. Your option. I just find it odd that you blame a guy for using 1 injured pitcher only to criticize him for it continuing to use another injured pitcher. Your belief that he wasted someone is your belief. Maybe Adams isn’t ready for more? Maybe Adams would have pitched another hitless inning. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don’t know but then I’m not the one questioning.
The error by Hos and the accidental single by Turner were bad breaks. Weathers was a pleasant surprise. I can’t fault Tingler’s bullpen management too much. On the Dodger side, May was scary-good, but outside of the Betts double, the batters looked overmatched by 3rd and 4th -tier Padre RPs.. .That bodes well for the Braves, should it come to that
Adams was healthy. Made the wild card roster. Played in the wc. Played in 3 games before wild card. Played in 2 games during wc. Clevinger wasn’t healthy and wasn’t on the wc roster. The gripe is moreso pulling Weathers against Kiki. Lets not lose site here. Let him face Kiki. If it was Betts or Turner no gripe.
“I didn’t criticize Weathers being there”. Dude. Before commenting read for comprehension. I was ok with Weathers being on the NLDS. Never criticized it, ever.
I’ve said even before roster was announced unless clevinger is 100% healthy you don’t play him. This is exactly why. Its not hindsight to say I told you so.
They walked 10 times by the 6th but were overmatched?!?
More like professional hitters didn’t get themselves out
Like the padres did in the 2nd
Man brewers. You’re really bad at unbiased analysis. Like really bad. They nearly set a franchise record for walks, half way thru! Haha overmatched
First time I’ve heard someone defend being no-hit till the 6th by a gaggle of RPs and 20 year olds. Doesn’t bode well vs Braves. You might be blinded by fandom, but I’m sure the Dodgers are concerned about the slumping bats
They went 3-for-30. That’s horrible.
Yes the shift beat us. I agree, bunt, make things happen.
VegasSDfan,
If you think the Padres lack of “bunting against the shift” is what caused them to lose, then I’d strongly suggest you stay away from the Strip.
It’s cool y’all are excited about your team and all. But my goodness, Padres fans are so drunk from success they’ve abandoned all baseball sense.
They celebrated WC win like it was WS “we did it” “buying my wild card tee shirt omg” fools
Give San Diego a break. For a city that hasn’t won anything, winning the Wild Card IS like winning the World Series.
No one is faulting padres fans for their excitement but the fans became trolls on here and on Instagram. Making bold claims and bashing players on dodgers for their lack of postseason success. That’s where problems arise. Padres are a young team and them simply making playoffs is huge but they are likely a few years away from really competing with dodgers.
But San Diego DID win when the Chargers left for LA bring misery to the good folks there
Padres should try bunting in the shift and use their speed to their advantage
know nothing at alls: What It DoEsNt Work! YoU wOnT gEt hItS!!!!!
Anyways. A guy like Cronenworth, Profar, or Grisham bunting into the shift with their speed creates the chance of:
a hit
a tougher play for the pitcher or 3B to make, which can cause an errant throw.
an out.
instead of
a hit (small chance)
an out (big chance).
Youre playing the dodgers. Youre not going to beat them hitting into shifts every at bat. You need to create havoc and put them in situations to make errors to get guys on base.
Clearly you didn’t watch the game last night. Padres hitters took fast balls right down the middle or at knee high level for strikes all game long.
Nobody said its easy or fool proof. Nobody’s posted any reference to articles about drag bunts used on shifts. Please. Post an article title specifically detailing why drag bunting is a bad idea.
Not bunting a runner over. drag bunting.
Good weather, good food, expensive to live hear but hey least San Diego gets to enjoy sunshine and clear skies 99% of the year.
I’m sure winning stuff keeps your heart warm during crappy weather in whatever dumpster city on the east coast and everywhere else in the USA.
who cares? let them be excited! It’s games like this that makes us love the game.
They don’t drag bunt because it’s bad baseball in the same way sac bunting is bad baseball. If you have a couple brain cells in that noggin of yours, you can figure it out.
Teams employing the shift 100% don’t care if you bunt to third, which is why they are okay with leaving it open. If you bunt successfully, you’re at first, and that’s it. There’s no other runners on (otherwise they wouldn’t have a shift), so it’s gonna take another hit (maybe two) to get that runner around to score. Most teams will take that chance.
So, if the other team is 100% okay with you taking the bunt, it stands to reason they’ve already deduced that getting on first is really low in terms of consequence.
In a way, bunting is giving your opponent exactly what they want. Which is why it may not be a great strategy.
There’s also the pesky detail about it being incredibly difficult to place a 90+mph pitch where you want it.
And for what it’s worth, you are kind of saying it’s easy. Trust me, if it were easy and effective, it’d be done every time and no one would shift.
Bunting isn’t necessary to beat the shift, driving the ball to the opposite field is the a more effective way. In the last few games I’ve been noticing Bellinger trying to do that very thing. None of the so-called play-by-play announcers seem to have noticed.
Smoltz is still upset he stands near the plate
It’s paralysis of analysis. I ride the mute button.
Speaking as a Dodger fan, the Padres aren’t winning this series. But if I were Tingler/Preller, I’d drop Clevinger now and get a fresh arm. Ya you’ll lose him for the NLCS, but if you beat the Dodgers without him you can beat the Braves/Marlins without him, then he is hopefully able to get through a start or 2 in the WS. Don’t worry about the next series when you’re facing the toughest team you’ll face. Get help now to try to win this series
My guess is if they have to blow the pen again today they will do this exact thing.
My cousin blew the whole bullpen last week. She said it wasn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
They have 4 relievers who didn’t throw yesterday, including arguably their 3 best ones. If they can get through today without an impromptu bullpen day they should theoretically have enough of a rested bullpen to keep going.
Of course if Davies goes like 2 innings then they’re going to have to get reinforcements because the arms are going to be totally depleted with an untrusted Paddack going out there in game 3.
They don’t really need the fresh arm tonight, but if things go wrong they’ll need it for the rest of the series presumably
@adambnicholas: Your reasoning is reasonable. I think that’s what they will do, but maybe not until after tonight’s game. If Davies goes 6 innings and the Padres win, AND there’s a medical justification for hoping Clevenger can return in next week or so, then they’ll keep him on the roster. But if Davies exits early and Pads lose, they’re more likely to IL Clev, as you suggest, and bring in another RP for game 3 – and clearly put Paddack on shortest of leashes..
@brewer88 the same Davies in there last series that went 6 and gave up 3 runs? If that happens that’s a loss either way you break it down. Dodgers weren’t even sharp last night and managed to plate 5 runs. Padres fans having a hard time understanding how dodgers score runs as if it’s some fluke. BEST RUN DIFFERENTIAL IN MAJORS BY A WIDE MARGIN.
is it typical of Dodger fans to completely miss the point, hopefully it’s just you?
The one thing I like about the Giants is they dislike the Dodgers.
When we take down the Dodgers, their tune will change
@vegassdfan you been hiding out for a few days now. Your best pitcher just pitched and you lost. What makes you think it’s gonna get easier when you have no depth and have ran your whole bullpen out 2 games in row? Lol padres fans so salty right now.
The Dodgers have wasted the last decade striving for best run differential without a WS title, I get it.
batting 1000 on hitting your nerve
0-2 today @brewer88 how many dodgers fans gotta expose you as being a meme?
Seems just days ago Padre Fans were telling us how much better they were than the Dodgers –
Careful what you ask for!
Im so glad we got to face them this series. You guys having fun yet?
I can’t recall reading posts where Padre fans were claiming their team was better than the Dodgers. Many did say they were a threat to the Dodgers though, and I agree they would be especially if healthy. Some Padre fans still have hope though, and I went to Wikipedia to explain why:
“Overall, Kershaw has a lifetime 9-11 record in the playoffs with a 4.43 ERA. His struggles have been especially pronounced in the World Series, where he’s gone 1-2 with a 5.40 ERA in an admittedly small sample size of 26.2 innings”
Just go back to a few posts namely several padres accounts stating padres are a superior team and gonna launch “chokeshaw” also look to dodgers ig posts for padres fans bashing dodgers. Lol haven’t made playoffs in 15 years and acting tough with a big ego ha!
I’m first and foremost a Giants fan and spoiled by WS success. But as also a Padres fan, I understand your longing. 1988 was such a very long time ago
@brewer88 1988 since we won, some say 2017. Got it, so bandwagon padres fan because giants have returned to the cellars. Since your quiet the historian when was padres last ws win?
Wait, are there Dodger fans claiming they won the World Series in 2017?
That’s absolutely precious. And the exact thing I would expect Dodgers fans to do.
You have to root for 2 teams in the same division since the GIants have been unwatchable for the last 5 seasons huh?
@mrnatewalter got it so the team using cameras and trash cans are entitled to a LEGIT title. Makes little sense, thats called cheating in most countries.
Geez dud.
You have no evidence to suggest you’d beat them if they weren’t cheating. It’s why you don’t transfer a stripped gold medal to the second place competitor.
But in 2020, you can be whatever you want, so if you want to identify as “Fan of the 2017 World Series Champs”, be our guest.
It’s obviously cheating, but that doesn’t mean LAD won that title.
Houston cheated against NYY too, so do the Yankees get to claim the 2017 WS title too since they could have won the ALCS and then beat the Dodgers in the WS? What about the Red Sox that they cheated against in the ALDS?
You can say that Houston shouldn’t be entitled to the WS championship, but you can’t just give it to LA. Houston cheated multiple teams out of the title. We’ll never know if BOS or NYY would have won because they didn’t get the chance to play it.
@mrnatewalter stripped medals usually do go to the next in line… although I agree with @CNichols you can’t say the Dodgers deserve it over the Yankees.
Hard to say LA choked the series though when they took 3 games from a cheating team.
In races, sure. In head-to-head games, no.
You can’t prove the Dodgers would have beat the Astros had the Astros not cheated. Thus, you can’t just hand over the title.
Claiming the Dodgers won in 2017 is hilarious, and again, not at all surprising.
I dunno, like I said I’m a Giants fan. If you want to compare modern-era WS success with my team I’m happy to entertain that conversation. But why do you need to pick on San Diego? It’s a great city, maybe jealous of that?
@brewer88 nice side step. Outside 3 years giants have been the most irrelevant franchise in the league. Prior to 2010 your last ring was 54’ when they were in New York. Don’t think your in a place to throw stones from a glass house. No one was picking on padres you just can’t read so I’ll give you a quick synopsis “Padres fans troll dodgers despite no postseason success. Dodgers fans clap back. Then there’s guys like you appearing with no dog in the fight only to bash dodgers fans and the fan base. Then tries the awkward flex of being a giants fan that’s had recent ws success that’s now turncoated in a padres fan.”
Nobody says you won 2017. Only delusional dodger fans say that.
Astros won 2017. its time you accepted the truth man.
@marvels it’s time to realize the padres are still the padres. Maybe you’ll make playoffs in 15 years
The series was essentially over when Clevinger went down. Hard to imagine the Padres winning the series against the Dodgers without their top 2 starters. They would have had a difficult enough time beating the Dodgers with both of them. Walker Buehler getting out of bases loaded, 3-0 count was a game changer too last night. Dodgers were grinding at bats and making the Padres pitchers throw strikes. They hit some hard balls but the old strategy of just getting the ball in the air is not going to work in this ballpark unless they open the roof. Balls are just dying in the air.
Davies is going to be ice cream for freaks tonight soft toss guy will get eaten up by Dodgers
I keep trying to remind myself that Davies finished the year with a 2.73 ERA (although his FIP was admittedly much worse at 3.88) because it seems like after the wild card round 2 inning debacle everyone has completely written him off. It feels like just a week ago people thought he was a decent 3rd option after Lamet/Clev and now he’s just been totally disregarded.
In August he threw 7 innings against the Dodgers and gave up just 2 earned runs. In his September start against them he went 6 innings and gave up 3. SD did lose both of those games, but he kept them in it and if he can just go 6 innings and not give up more than like 3-4 runs, that’s pretty adequate from a starter going up against the best offense in the league from my perspective. SD is going to have to score multiple runs to keep up with LAD, thats just a fact.
I guess my overall point is, it’s not like he was some random spot starter with a 5+ ERA and FIP. He was a better than average starter this year and he should theoretically do enough to keep SD hanging around in this game.
Davies is the kind of pitcher that the Dodgers in general don’t hit well. Lots of change ups and throwing less fastballs, while mixing in cutters. He threw more change ups than fastballs this year. First time ever for him. Dodgers will need to react better on change ups to have success. Hopefully he is off with his change ups tonight and will need to throw more fastballs.
you typed a lot of words to present a dumbed up counter point, Yep, the Giants have ONLY won the WS 3 times in the last decade. Good luck with that.
When you’re such a troll you’re too scared to answer the person putting you in your place
So you start a new thread. You’re a joke. You and Javia are perfect for each other
Padres fans been barking all year like a small little dog-
Have fun getting it pushed in this series
And yes there were plenty of people on the website who were calling for the Dodgers come postseason
You guys arent even on our radar you fly so low