Phillies middle infielder Jean Segura has come up in trade talks, Jon Heyman of MLB Network tweets. The Blue Jays are among the teams that have discussed Segura with the Phillies, according to Robert Murray of FanSided.
The Phillies are already facing the loss of shortstop Didi Gregorius in free agency, so trading Segura could leave them looking to replace their two middle infield starters from 2020. Acquired from the Mariners before 2019, Segura has given the Phillies decent offensive production over 835 plate appearances, having batted .276/.329/.421 (96 wRC+) with 19 home runs and 12 stolen bases. Of course, those numbers pale in comparison to the production he posted as a Diamondback and Mariner from 2016-18, during which he slashed .308/.353/.449 (116 wRC+) in 1,892 trips to the plate.
Defensively, Segura has garnered extensive experience at short and plenty of recent time at second. Because of Philly’s addition of Gregorious, this past season was the first time he played at the keystone since 2016. If he were to join the Blue Jays, Segura would likely remain at second because of the presence of shortstop Bo Bichette. Toronto has a potential second base solution in the versatile Cavan Biggio, but general manager Ross Atkins said Wednesday the club could use him as its primary third baseman, Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet tweets.
Unless the Phillies eat money, any team taking on Segura would be making a two-year, $29.5MM investment. That includes a $1MM buyout in lieu of a $17MM club option for 2023.
The daily blue jays rumours are back after a day off. Got my fix!
Now where’s the Ozuna rumour?!
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There is an Ozuna rumour actually
I saw some tweets about him linked to the jays. Need another rumour about the jays!
List of players the Blue Jays have been connected to at least once since the begining of November:
Spinger
Segura
Wong
Richards
Hand
Realmuto
LeMahieu
Turner
Brantley
Happ
Odorizzi
Simmons
Bradley Jr.
T. Walker
Don’t forget that they are also loaded with prospects and want starting pitching, so guys like Gray, Musgrove, Lynn and Snell may also be on their radar.
Don’t forget the new stadium rumors!!
BLUE JAYS AMONG TEAMS INTERESTED IN FREE AGENTS
I think it’d be of more value now to write headlines of who they aren’t interested in.
Maybe Philly wants to let Kingery have a go at the starting 2B job and then sign someone like Semien to play SS but Didi should be their top SS choice unless they want to unload Howard and other pieces for Lindor
except so far Kingery has shown nothing..they extended him hoping he’d become something..he has, a strikeout machine…also, not particularly a good 2nd baseman which is his natural position..
Losing Segura would officially make the Phillies the worst fielding team in all of baseball. Kingery, Bohm and Hoskins….gross. Haha.
Well Hoskins at first is actually really good on defense so…
He’s servicable, not good.
Sam, often completely misses throws and has no range..If they wanted too move someone, let it be Rhys and put AB at first…he didn’t suck there and he did at 3rd
He had coronavirus this year and never got on track, but he was decent in 2019. He’d probably improve if they stopped bouncing him around all over the diamond.
Pass on Segura unless the Phils are willing to take Roark and/or Grichuk. Segura is a talent with a low baseball IQ. Jose Reyes-lite. Or Villar on his best day.
we can take back Roark but you have to offer something of real value as well.
Nah. Keep him.
if the Jays are reaching out they better be willing to actually offer something.
Knowing the Jays I am certain they are.
Im a Segura guy, but if the Jays offer something if value that clears out space to get another FA INF for less and delegate the rest of the money to something else.
I only like this move if it frees up money to keep DiDi. My feeling is they are trying to get rid of payroll only.
they need to stop it with the Cavan at third or anywhere else talk, he’s only good at second.
That’s patently false.
Are you new? Or just have no idea?
A minute earlier he said the Jays should take a run at Franco, who’s not good defensively at 3B.
Franco would be cheap and Cavan could still play second.
I mean his defensive stats are worse everywhere else, sure he’s passable late in the game when you’re pinch hitting, show me how he’s better anywhere else than second, I’d like to see the article, or stats.
I think players should play where they’re best suited on the field, not be a jack of all trades, nobody gets better without a primary position.
Nunez is cheap also. So what? If the Jays are not in it to win it in 2021 then go get Franco. If they want to contend they need to aim higher. Having Biggio move to another position without complaint is a freaking luxury to have. Now is not the time to cheap out.
I’d gladly ship out Segura. Especially if it means getting out from under that contract and bringing back Didi on a short term pact.
Segura has pop but he had some head scratching games too. I am okay moving him.
I still blame Segura and his lack of running to 1st base on that pop up against the Padres for the McCutchen injury.
Attn MLBTR. just post a article. “If it has a heartbeat, The Jays are interested”
Segura is quite good IMO. He underperformed a bit in Philly and it seems odd that they’d trade him after losing Didi, but I guess with the right return it’d make sense.
I too like Segura…moving only ads to the holes this team has
agreed on the assessment of him. i can see them moving him and then going after one of the FA guys. if we really want to claim Middleton is cheap, then he can ship out Segura, sign a replacement for less that may be just as good, (saturated FA market) adress another small need with some of the leftovers and then Middleton could still perhaps save something. everyone wins.
A potential Segura/Grichuk bad contract swap could make some sense here. Blue Jays have a hole at 3B currently, which could be filled by either Segura or Biggio, with Segura moving to 2B. Grichuk could slot into CF for the Phillies, who as of now are set to roll out Adam Haseley. Grichuk may not be a defensive upgrade, but still offers a lot more offensive upside than Haseley in my opinion. He could also be a DH option for the Phillies, assuming there is a DH in the NL next season.
After the Jays sign a center fielder, sure, that could work. Segura is a slightly better player than Grichuk but the money difference evens it out. But until then, the Jays can’t risk having to put Teoscar Hernandez in center or play Rowdy in the outfield.
Whoa hold up…Biggio goes to CF before Tellez ever touches the OF. Vlad will go to 3B before Tellez goes to the OF.
None of those are acceptable outcomes, and if stuck with the current roster there’s nobody to replace Biggio in the infield. Unless you want to make Fisher an everyday outfielder, which is the one thing I’d rank as a worse option than trying to make Rowdy into an outfielder, Grichuk remains essential for the moment.
I’m not for the Segura idea. I outlined this in this thread. Second, Biggio going to CF is not the worst idea in the world. To say that’s not an acceptable outcomes is absurd. What’s worse is you suggested Tellez in the OF and then sidestepping it. Plenty of INF options in free agency to facilitate the move.
Fisher wouldn’t be on the team if it was my decision. Then again I was against the Grichuk extension that many Jays fans loved. They finally see the ramifications I pointed out over a year ago.
Fisher baffling.
Cut him before ST ends I guess? Does he get the full salary or just a 30 day pay in that scenario? Not worth checking into, but if you know off top of head, feel free to correct that thought.
Not really taking up a roster spot since he can be dropped when an addition is made. Based on the daily rumours, I can’t see them bothering with a rule 5 pickup this year? Might not even see multiple minor league tryouts make the team this year? Literally keeping him in case a huge rash of injuries and every single free agent chooses elsewhere I guess…
As for Grichuk extension, I don’t recall an overwhelming majority loving that one. I gave it a meh. Did see some love for sure. Pre-covid, the amount wasn’t an albatross, but things are shifting for sure. Still not an albatross, he’s not useless, just a little overpaid.
One thing I liked was it seemed a bit of signal to agents that the Jays are gonna be spending.
The team got a client of one of the bigger agencies in the game, and I think the Grichuk contract was more of a gesture to Excel and a bit of message to Boras that they did plan on spending again.
We’ve got Springer, Tanaka and Brantley with Excel as big free agents this year, so I personally think there might be some sneaky value to be gained from the Grichuk overpay.
(Bradley Jr, Paxton, Rosenthal standouts from Boras to me)
I like to connect imaginary dots while I’m out to lunch on cloud 9 but you gotta see some of this and think I’m not too far out in LF?!
I still swear the Kendrys signing was necessary evil if we wanted Lourdes. Same agency, signed same day.
The imaginary dots man, they talk to me!
/49%sarcasm, some of this is legit what I believe.
Kendrys signing was fine but not Pearce and Bautista afterward.
Fisher better be dropped if a free agent or two are signed post-Rule 5 draft. This experiment failed. Enough is enough.
I went back to the Grichuk extension and Pillar trade thread. Very few were against the extension and many anointed Alford as the CF. How did that go?
Grichuk was extended on potential and not merit. No matter what the Jays are stuck with him or stuck with a bad contract in a trade. All could have been avoided.
Oh man, I still wish Alford was given regular ABs when he was rostered.
Though he may have broke earlier in that case.
Never really got to see.
Really wish him well with Pirates, or wherever, he has the tools, just needs opportunity and health to cooperate in my opinion.
MVPearce. If he could’ve stayed healthy, the results would’ve been the same for the Jays. But the return might’ve been nicer. We even thought he’d get some time at 2B haha. He was cheap at least.
Bautista signing felt more like a gesture to fans and agents. But it didn’t prevent the attendance collapse, and didn’t convince big names to choose Toronto.
They went from being called out by Boras for being cheap to landing a big Boras client.
How long after he criticized them publicly did it take for the Jays to extend Grichuk? 5 months.
If Ryu keeps performing, helps woo Kim, and the Jays can land an Excel client (maybe 2- Springer and Tanaka, could you imagine? I’d faint) then we might be looking at the Grichuk extension as the starting point of Shapiro/Atkins removing the reputation for cheap that got the team blasted by Boras in the first place.
Once the big fish are in the boat, they need to stop appeasing the agents and start being responsible with the budget. Until then, some overspends are necessary.
Alford never deserved it.
Fair.
A lot of guys don’t and continue to get chances.
Trying Teoscar, Alford and Davis in CF throughout the final month of a lost season instead of picking one and letting them find a comfort level is a bit frustrating to see….
Or read about, since I don’t watch baseball.
When are you gonna stop hogging all the baseball so others can watch? I promise you’ll get all the lolz from Big Bang Theory.
Non tender Shaw and send Roark with a prospect and they’ve saved money and upgraded. I think I’d still rather Wong the most for the infield but it’s not a bad option.
So starts the Phillies rebuild!
Nah I’m kidding. But could you imagine the fan reaction to that? =D
It may not be that far off from being a reality if they can’t figure out how to construct a well rounded, solid team from top to bottom. They could end up needing to blow things up again (to an extent) before they’re next able to seriously contend.
Fans have been dealing with this for centuries. It’s nothing new. Didn’t make the playoffs for most of the 90s. Had a little run from 2007-2011 resulting in a WS. Great team. Have been awful to mediocre from 2012 until now. They’re not far off, but you can also argue they the worst off in the division at the moment. This is what happens when you can’t develop internally.
Developing players is certainly the heart of their problem. If you compare WAR contributions between their pre-arb players and their players gained through free agency, the gap is really large. They can’t create and sustain a winning team with how much they have to fill holes by using the FA market.
Blue jays interested in everyone but no one wants to deal with Canadian taxes
Segura to Jays for d’arnaud, Drabek and Taylor
Wait…
I am willing to throw in Tyson Gilles and Aumont for the Jays too.
Tyson Gillies is a name I have not heard in many years. Bravo.
The takeaway is that Atkins would be hard pressed to list even 5 free agents TOR isn’t interested in this winter.
Another interesting blue jays news.
Joke is on everybody. Toronto feeds this BS to their fans every year to make it look like they’re trying to sign FAs. Rogers is the cheapest owner in MLB. Their real fans know this and know that Shatkins are full of it.
The Pirates and Marlins are still in the MLB, so, the Blu Jays can only have the 3rd cheapest owner.
Is Segura going to raise the level of the Jays team to the point to help the Jays win now? No, he is not a difference maker. Hard pass.
the jays really musnt like biggio and 2nd cuz they have been after middle infielders sense last year when they went after didi and moose now wong and segurea. They must have a trade lined up for one of there outfielders aswell cuz there after brantly and springer. I would guess its Gurriel but hope its Grichuk. Either way they need to attach one of the 5 catchers on the 40 man to Grichuk and trade him, hopefully thats thebl frame work here
Biggio’s 2B play has nothing to do with this potential move. First, Biggio can play 3B or OF. Second, Segura would probably play 3B, or at 2B with Biggio at 2B.
To get Segura, Philly would need to take Grichuk and potentially Roark to make it worth their whole. Don’t see that happening unless they expand the package (Jays add a Catcher, Philly adds a SP).
And the Segura saga continues thanks to Klentak’s nonsensical signing of Santana.