The Rockies “want to engage with” the Mets regarding third baseman Nolan Arenado, according to Jon Morosi of MLB Network (via Danny Abriano of SNY). It’s unclear whether the Mets have interest in Arenado, but team president Sandy Alderson told WFAN on Wednesday that he “expects to be involved” in the trade market for players with large contracts and those with one year of control left, Tim Healey of Newsday tweets. Arenado’s contract certainly counts as “large,” as he’s owed $199MM over the next six years. The five-time All-Star will have a chance to opt out of his deal after next season, but that seems even less likely than before when considering the economic uncertainty across the league.
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- Right-hander Noah Syndergaard is “on schedule or maybe a little bit ahead of schedule” in his recovery from late-March Tommy John surgery, manager Luis Rojas told reporters (per Mike Puma of the New York Post). Meanwhile, Alderson revealed on WFAN that it’s “reasonable” to expect Syndergaard to return to the majors in June. With Syndergaard shelved, the Mets are slated to begin next year with Jacob deGrom, Marcus Stroman and David Peterson as their top three starters, but it wouldn’t be a surprise to see the team add to its rotation before then.
- Before they signed catcher James McCann to a four-year, $40.6MM contract, the Mets had interest in fellow backstop Tyler Flowers, Healey reports. He would have been a fallback option had the Mets missed out on McCann. While the 34-year-old Flowers has a longer track record of success than McCann, 30, the latter has been the better player over the past couple seasons. Flowers, who spent the previous five years with the division-rival Braves, is coming off a year in which he hit .217/.325/.348 with one home run and a bloated 42.5 percent strikeout rate in 80 plate appearances. He backed up ex-Met Travis d’Arnaud in 2020.
- Amed Rosario has made 387 of his career 388 appearances at shortstop, though he’ll begin to receive reps at third base, Rojas stated (via Anthony DiComo of MLB.com). However, Rosario will not get any time in the outfield. “That’s something that he’s not doing, and we’re not planning on doing right now with him,” Rojas said. While Rosario’s still just 25, the former star prospect hasn’t lived up to the hype in the majors so far. He posted an uninspiring .252/.272/.371 line with four homers and a measly 2.7 percent walk rate last season, during which he lost playing time to Andres Gimenez. Barring an offseason acquisition at short, Gimenez looks like the front-runner to start for the club in 2021.
Arenado would be nice because we wouldn’t have to give up that much.
OK, I’ll bite. What do ya see the Mets giving up for him?
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We are taking a huge contract of their hands
As a Met fan, I am going to tell you right now that Arenado will not be that easy to acquire. He is a player that brings fans to Colorado. We are going to have to do more than just JD to get the deal done and the prospects need to be solid.
That might even be more, I’m guessing a bigger contract like Familia, along with Nimmo/JD Davis and Brett Baty
Id do Familia Davis and Baty for Arenado.
They basically want us to engage with them. They are desperate to get rid of the contract. We aren’t going to have to give any legit piece we have if we take 100% of the contract. Now if they are willing to take Cano?? Then that’s a different story.
I’d do that too. Since they are taking familia back
No on Arenado. That contract is gonna anchor efforts to improve the team for a long time.
Trading Nimmo to obtain Arenado subtracts too much before adding. Not worth it. And that contract? Oof!
I don’t see the Rockies wanting Cano…Familia possibly though, seems like Colorado is always hurting for bullpen arms
Colorado is hurting more for financial flexibility, which is the better reason for them to want Familia.
Baty will rake in Colorado
I’d think it would have to be familia cano davis baty… that essentially makes arenado’s remaining contract 23m, 9m, 9m, then 33m for last three years… big risk for a guy where you’d have to pay 33m a year for his declining years… though we desperately need his defense
so if both the team abd Arenado want him gone so badly then why hasnt a deal been made already? i think youre overestimating how much they want that contract gone (which in and of itself is hardly a burden)
Mets will not deplete top farm talent. I highly doubt they would trade Baty
I agree. The Mets don’t need to be “in” on every player around. Especially when they have a number of extensions to worry about next year. Arenado is a big name, but I honestly don’t think he improves the Mets all that much. A big upgrade defensively, but they already have 3rd basemen who can hit. They need pitching. They need a center fielder. And they can afford to upgrade at SS.
Ok then let them keep him. We can throw 33 million dollars at someone else without giving up prospects at all
Cano isn’t a player anymore. He’s just a contract So to make it all work financially he certainly could be part of the deal
Exactly. If we’re gonna spend, just spend in free agency
Its not a matter of wanting Cano, its a matter of taking the one remaining year of Cano in order to jettison the Arenado do contract.
Cano is signed through 2023.
For the right to pay a player entering his 30’s for 6 more years and nearly 200 million?
Colorado doesn’t even seem to like prospects. They’ve snubbed a number of their own prospects in favor of veterans with no defensive value.
CAN’T trade Baty Allan Alvarez Mauricio. Have already thrown away the previous best prospects. Arenado is the ultimate Coors Field hitter; ordinary otherwise. DON’T trade those four players for anyone (they will—I don’t trust Alderson at all).
Can it, dinosaur
Big difference between engaging with and desperate. Cohen has deep pockets. Teams know that, and are looking to offload bad contracts.
I read yesterday that Colorado would seek a package headlined by Nimmo.
Then pass. I’d rather have Nimmo than Arenado and that ball & chain of a contract
Like taking $200m off their hands? That should be enough.
If they want to engage the Mets, that means there’s a player on the Mets that interests them and want to see if the Mets would give it to them in a trade.
Rockies sounding desperate, they took a big hit money wise just like every other club and on top of that I’m sure they want to extend Trevor story
Spoken like someone who still thinks the Wilpons own the team.
Evan Longoria 2.0,.at twice the salary.
Like Rosario and a top prospect. Throw in Cano and it’s a deal
Well they could probably send a good package to Colorado for not that much, I mean Sandy Alderson could probably just get washed up guys for the minors for now just so we have some pieces, it is nice to see the Coupons are gone!
It’s a burden when they have to let Story walk.
you do know that Arenado has a no-trade clause in his contract and he can opt-out after the 2021 season. Who is going to pay Arenado to waive his no-trade clause and then pay him to not opt-out? Sounds like more years and more dollars.
Assuming the Rockies aren’t going to pick up a significant portion of Arenado’s contract or take a contract like Cano/Familia back, he shouldn’t cost more than a piece like Davis and one or two top 30 (organizational) prospects.
Arenado’s contract is awful and the chances of him opting out aren’t good. The Rockies suck with Arenado, they can suck without him.
Also, if he brought that many fans to the park, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.
JD Davis and Dom Smith. No one else is going to offer a young controllable player who is already having MLB success that’s better than Dom.
Please don’t trade Smith for Arenado, that would be awful for the Mets. Trade a young, cheap, potential star for a great player on the wrong side of 30 owed 200 million. No thanks.
Dom Smith may be the best hitter on the Mets… if they trade him at all, that would be a huge mistake
That’s a BVW move bro. Besides mcniel, I’m almost trading dom for NO ONE. I would offer JD, vientos, wolf and cano (saves 15M for the first 3 years than 33 the next 3 years after that).
I would imagine it wouldn’t take much beyond salary. That’s a big chunk of $$$. I don’t think anyone wants Cano at this point due to his numerous PED links. I think the Mets are stuck with his contract.
Davis, Familia, Cano and Baty
No way Baty should be traded.
For sure, if Mets assume 100% of remaining salary I can’t imagine they would have to deal their top prospects
CANO must be included in whatever deal is made
If Cano is included, the rest of the package has to be more appealing. Effectively, you can think of it as Arenado’s $199M – Cano’s $72M = $127M for six years of Arenado at the cost of 2 years of Cano. That’s more worth it than just taking on Arenado’s contract as is.
Don’t the Mets only owe Cano $40.5m with his suspension this year and Seattle retaining some of it? That probably evens up the value somewhat. Plus Cano’s suspension is 162 games, not one season. If ’21 is shortened and there is a labor stoppage in ’22, the Mets (or Rockies) get out of even more money. I’d take that bet if I was Colorado and able to get some actual talent back for Arenado while getting out of the Arenado commitment.
With Cano’s 2 suspensions (80-games in 2018; all of 2021 season) which resulted in him forfeiting his salary during said time – he’s forfeited a total of $35.8 million…!
Yes, he can afford to do it – I guess – but dang. That’s a whole lotta cash.
It’s actually closer to 48 million because he forfeits his salary this year. No reason it can’t be Cano, Familia, Nimmo, and Baty for Arenado
I factored that in. (2018) 80-game suspension: $11.741 + $24 (2021)
Am I missing another suspension or is my math off?
I think Freddie is referring to the remaining money owed to Cano….which is $48M for 2022 and 2023, but I believe Seattle will be paying $3.75M to Cano in each of those seasons.
Pal88, if Cano must be included, I would also expect to include the Mets top overall prospect
No, they don’t. Arenado has an albatross of a contract remaining for six years. Even if New York sent over Cano, we’d still be saving you cash.
If Colorado actually expects talent to help them save money, the Mets can buy up all the current top free agents instead. I’d rather have Bauer and Hendriks than Arenado.
Cano had a no trade clause. No chance he waives that to go to Colorado.
Why not he went to Seattle and him being on the juice he would rake in coors field lol
Remember the no trade clause
Anybody who wants Arenado will have to convince him they will be more competitive over the next five years in their division than the Dodgers in the NL West
Otherwise he opts out and signs with the Dodgers (which last year he indicated was his preference being a SoCal guy)
Clearly the Dodger organization has a better chance than anyone else to be the best in their division and he would increase their odds
Plus, they can match/better any other organization’s offer to the Rockies
Unless fans are in the stands for at least 80% of the season, with hopes for no restrictions for 2022, *and* Arenado returns to form, I don’t see him opting out because he won’t get as much on the open market. Rockies overpaid for him.
unless Dodgers get engaged quickly (and I hope they do as I dont want Nolan), its a moot point
From what I’ve read the Rockies want no part of Nolan in the same division
Otherwise he opts out and signs with the Dodgers
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Why would he opt out? The is no chance he lands the same contract, and likely not close.
The Baseball Trade Values website says Cano-Arenado straight up works.
As do the following:
Arenado+$30M for Familia
Arenado+$50M for Rosario + Kilome
Arenado+$70M for Conforto, or for Baty + Szapucki + Rosario
Just to reiterate, I did not make these up. They came from a generator.
The Mets would be Wilponly-Foolish to even consider parting with Conforto to get Arenado, no matter how much money the Rockies eat.
That’s a terrible website and should be avoided if they say one for one is a fair deal.
I think an arenado+Blackmon to Mets deal makes too much sense. Rockies can eat some money for a better return or straight salary dump. No idea what Mets would need to give up but I can’t insist would be anything too excessive
No thanks. No on Arenado and absolutely do not need Blackmon. We already have 2 great corner OFrs and Blackmon is a butcher in CF
Wouldn’t have to give up much I agree with, but for 6 years…I’d pass. That’s going to suck up a good percentage of $$$ and certainly don’t want a Cano v2. Arenado is a product of Coors field offensively, even though his defense is outstanding. And down the road we will hopefully have Baty. Davis can bridge that for now, or even a Justin Turner for a couple of years if necessary.
The Cardinals have the players to get Arenaldo. Maybe even enough players to have Colorado eat a large amount of contract due him.
i can see a trade like carp cmart and maybe gorman or high end mlb ready arm not named flatery or reyes. prospects going back depends on what contracts col takes back or how much of nolans contract col holds on to. now mind you i’m just spitballing a possible scenario but carp and cmart could use a change to in scenery and yes both of there guys values are low but if we’re taking most of that contract. a trade off of some bad contracts that have just a year or 2 left with a top 10 prospect i feel is a fair deal.
if arenado renounces the termination clause for next year it would be fine
He’s not opting out of that monster contract. If he does, he’s doing any team that acquires him a favor, and losing money for himself.
See: Davis, Chris.
He’s not opting out of that deal. Everyone keeps saying that, but he has zero chance of making more than that again on the market. It’s not even a consideration.
Home/road splits are always a little exaggerated. Players tend to hit more at home, no matter where their ballpark is. It’s a comfort thing. That being said, I couldn’t think of more opposite stadiums than Coors and Citi Field; a hitter’s paradise and a pitcher’s paradise. Arenado would certainly be a curious move, but I don’t think the Mets need to make that trade at all. They’re okay at 3rd without taking on that huge contract. I would imagine they’d rather trade for Lindor to upgrade short.
If the Mets take on the full contract they shouldn’t have to give up anything of value. His contract is underwater
1984 was a manual for Google.
But as mentioned, if they take on the contract that will handcuff them for future signings. Right now they have excellent value with Davis at third
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Lots of things to consider this offseason. Lots of fans want to use the savings from signing McCann over Realmuto to sign Springer, Bauer & Hendriks/Hand. I’d be thrilled with those options. But remember, next years free agent class includes Correa, Baez, Lindor, Story, Seager, etc. The Mets are connected to every major free agent at the moment but if they spend right up to the luxury tax line this year, it may limit their ability to sign one of these superstars next offseason. I’m a big fan of Arenado and have wanted him as the Mets 3rd baseman for the past few years, but they just have to be careful with how many $100M+ contracts they add. Right now it’s just deGrom. If they add in Springer and Bauer that’s 3. Conforto extension make 4. Trading for Arenado makes 5. Signing one of those major free agents next year makes 6 and so on.
Cohen and Sandy are both very smart. I’m excited to see how this whole roster shaping plays out over the next 12 months.
thunder12k, well said and i totally agree!!
No Bauer, please. Springer, 2 reliable starters would make me happy.
Which 2 reliable starters do you want to sign. After Bauer, we’re looking at Tanaka and Odorizzi as the next best options. Each have an average ERA over 4 over the past 4 years. Each is going to probably command a 4 year deal in the $50-60M range. Not sure I like that commitment for that kind of hopefully production. Then Stroman and Thor are free agents next year and we start the process over again.
There is no easy solution for this rotation but Bauer and deGrom creates and absolutely devastating duo at the top of the rotation. I think they would feed off each other the way Harvey, deGrom and Thor seems to do early in their careers when they competed with each other to be the teams ace.
You forgot the 38yo Happ Thunder, but regardless. I’d take Walker over any of the 3 and he’ll probably end up costing about the same as the 2 u mentioned. Happ I don’t see making that much, unless some GM has totally lost it out there.
But that’s the point, whatever you flavor is for the next best starter, I don’t think any of them are locks to be reliable. And everyone needs starters so will they overpay you get one if they miss out in Bauer? Who knows.
@thunder12k: I think a lot of the commenters here are vastly overrating Bauer and overvaluing his 2020 season, which was 11 total starts.
He’s only ever had sustained success in one season (2018) and he’s been pretty average for every other season of his career. Further, people have been bestowing ‘Ace’ status on him because of the 11 starts he had in 2020, but what about his final 10 starts of 2019 after he was traded to Cincinnati? He was an utter disaster (over 6 ERA, 73 ERA+, 4.85 FIP).
Even more: his 2020 seems wildly out of character (.215 BABIP vs career of .296).
I personally think that whoever signs Bauer will, if it’s a long term deal or they expect a reproduction of 2020, will be sorely disappointed. I would not be surprised if Tanaka has better 2021 stats.
Bauer is a big proponent of analytics and particularly spin rate. Tracking his career, you’ll notice that his spin rate started climbing in 2017 and has been on a sharp incline since leading me to believe that his 2020 success may be more sustainable. Sometimes it just takes these guys a few years to figure out how to “pitch”. Take Max Scherzer for example. In his 6th year (2013 in Detroit), something seemed to click for him and he went from being a useful pitcher to an all-star/cy young contender and he’s maintained that form since. I’d obviously like to see Bauer with a large sample size of deGrom-like consistency but I think pairing him and DeGrom together will give these guys a chance to push each other.
It could certainly backfire as well. All of the free agents in this class come with risk, especially the top guys with the length and dollar value they are asking for
At some point the Mets need to MAKE money. Will the fans show up? Will merchandise fly off the shelves? Etc.
We’ll see.
If the team on the field is good, the fans will come.
If the Mets do aquire him. Its a rental. He will be a Dodger a year later
No. The Mets will only acquire him or Lindor if they know they could lock him up. If they acquire him he agreed to stay with them. Everyone knows he likes the dodgers. Players like teams all the time. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t play anywhere else.
@Metsfan22 The sign-and-extend is not as easy as people make it out to be. Players have confidence in their abilities and want to test free agency. So trading for 1 year of a player is always a gamble even if an extension is talked about.
Arenado? He is locked up already.
@Cosmo I was talking about Lindor specifically.
Oh, sorry. I get carried away sometimes.
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As far as Arenado goes. It would be for 1 year. If the Mets think they can convince him to not opt out. That’s a chance they will have to take. But he has said he wants to play for the Dodgers.
He’s not opting out. He’s not giving up millions to change scenery.
I think he will. He holds all the cards. The Rockies can risk getting nothing. Arenado can play in Colorad 2021 and opt out and sign with the Dodgers.
He is really unlikely to opt out. He’ll be 31 when 2022 starts. How much do you think teams will pay for a 31 year old 3B? Even assuming he returns to form, he will likely make less than he is earning now.
And the Rockies aren’t risking not getting anything for him. They are already not getting anything for him. They can’t trade him without eating salary.
Arenado has to approve the trade to the Mets and I dought he will waive his no-trade clause. I don’t think he will do anything that the Rockies want they lied to him.
No way. Dodgers are not that dumb. He’s not gonna be good forever. Why would he walk away from 199 million guaranteed? Why the heck would the Dodgers give him more than that? To pay him 35 million a year for his decline years?
he’s not opting out of that money, just like JD Martinez was never opting out.
Arenado isn’t going to opt out and lose a butt ton of guaranteed money. Whichever team he is with will be his team til the entire contract is up or he gets traded again.
Nope… If they really want the Mets to be engaged and want to move Nolan, they need to pay down a lot more of that $200 million that he is owed over the next six years and not expect much back. Potentially taking Cano’s contract back back does help with some of that cost, and they would also need for him to waive the opt out after next season. If I am the Mets, I’m not giving or offering any top prospects for him.
His #s are hugely influenced by playing in COL. as his career BA is 60 points higher at home, SLG is 140 points higher and OBP is 50 points higher. Career OPS on road is under .800, the line to delineate a “good hitter, and his numbers at Citi over his career are worse than almost any other park (.229BA, .275OBP, .410SLG, .684 OBP). No thanks.
Underwhelming numbers in Miami, Philly and Atlanta also.
Cano and Nimmo for Arenado, straightforward deal. We take on $199 million contract which they partly offset by taking the last two years of Cano. Nimmo is the only sweetener they get. Who else would take on Arenado’s bloated contract, do they trade to the Dodgers in their own division? Cohen us a smart guy. The Mets should play hardball in these kinds of deals. And do I think Arenado will walk after 1 year? Frankly that’s doubtful, but if he does all we’ve lost is Nimmo. Nice player, but easy to replace. And we’re done with Cano.
But trading Nimmo subtracts his value and seriously lessens how much you are improving the team by adding Arenado. If they trade for him it should be Cano and prospects so they add without subtracting. But I reeaaaly hope they don’t.
That’s y replacing nimmo with JD is better for us and them. They get a direct replacement for arenado, as do we. But they have to take cano back.
Doesn’t Nimmo only have 2 years before free agency? Is the salary relief really worth it? Seems like even if they waited a year they could beat that return
If the Mets trade for Arenado, starting to think they could be the 2nd best team in NY next season. Well it’s between them and the Blue Jays.
The best team in New York is only in a hotel for a few days while they visit.
Toronto isnt foolish like the Phillies and going to be signing huge contracts and trading top prospects. (Guirrell for Lindor not happening). IMO Hes going to be mvp calibre one day)
Jays will likely sign Paxton, a korean infielder, and sign a catcher. not named JT.
NYY will be in it like anyone else next year.
The Rockies are going to find it extremely difficult to move Arenado, especially with that contract and the worry of the Coors Field Effect. Of course there are those that believe it works in reverse, and players can actually get better and healthier leaving the high elevation, but betting $200M on that isn’t something anyone will likely do in this economic environment. If the Rockies truly want to unload Arenado they’re going to have to eat a ton of money ($50M+) to even get the conversation started, and at that point the return will be minimal. With the abundance of middle infielders who are younger and headed to free agency next year, any team with the financial resources to go after Arenado could go after one of them without giving up assets. Arenado is a great player, but I don’t see him being the difference between winning a world series and not, so at this point…why bother, unless the Rockies truly make it worth a team’s interest.
Why do some met fans believe they can get Arenado for a bad contract and spare parts?
Nimmo isn’t a spare part, if that’s what you mean. But if the Rox trade Arenado its to unload a bad contract, so they probably don’t want to take on a bad contract.
Nimmo has played over 100 games a season once, and only 2 years from free agency, highly overrated
crshbng:: look at Nimmo’s OBP. it’s one of the best in the majors
the idea of not only giving up little but also sending a bad contract on return is laughable.
Cano-Arenado actually is fair for both teams, if you think about it like that.
Does no one remember what was needed for Stanton? With the exception of Trout, big money guys have extreme trade negative value no matter who they are. If the Rockies want good players they are going to have to send along $70M with Arenado, that’s how this trade will actually work, in real time.
No one is trading for Cano. He may never play again.
If the Mets are paying down half of Cano’s remaining salary, maybe the Rockies consider accepting him in a trade…
I think he will. He holds all the cards. The Rockies can risk getting nothing. Arenado can play in Colorad 2021 and opt out and sign with the Dodgers.
So you think the Dodgers will give him more than 5/164 at age 31? That’s not happening. He takes a discount? Doubt it. He can’t take the chance of losing all that cash. You think he’s opting out? Ok, what contract is he getting at age 31 that will best what he’s already guaranteed?
Because Arenado’s contract is bad
Never going to happen.should never happen.alderson has rightfully said before he doesn’t want to deplete the farm system.let colorado wither.
At the trade deadline this year other teams will be looking to get something for their free agents.
Scherzer,greinke and others will be available for teams that want to make a final push.
Arenado for…
Cano
Familia
Diaz
Bonilla
Y Diaz?
Arenado’s bat is mediocre away from Coors, he’ll limit how much the Mets can realistically spend to extend Conforto/Syndergaard/etc, and they have more pressing holes to fill. Sticking JD Davis at 3B provides arguably a comparable bat with significantly worse defense (GG–> below avg)….but he costs $190m+ less. The Rockies are supposedly really pressing to move Arenado, so they need to be put over a barrel if they want to move him.
Arenado + $$ for Cano and a lower-tier prospect. If they want a BP arm, Familia w. a discount on the money goes back. I’m not saying this is what the Rockies want…but I don’t see a $199m contract moving easily when half of the teams in the league are trying to slash their payrolls…including the Yankees.
6 years of Arenado for 2 years of Cano actually works fine for both teams, nothing else needs to happen. Colorado still has 1B and 2B open and probably still will in 2022, with also the DH getting added to the NL either in 2021 or ’22, so Cano can play one of 3 potential places there. Rockies get $151 million off the books.
This also allows Cano to numbers-chase while maybe not roiding for once. If he hits like he did last year he will most likely put up big numbers in Denver, even if it’s in 2022/23.
The contending Mets get one of the best defensive 3B there is for 6 years for $151M, who has a .684 OPS at Citi Field over 91 PA. Thing is, even if that OPS is his ceiling, that’s still a 3-4 WAR player and a big upgrade over Cano for sure. The Mets can also bring in the fences to suit his power swing, so I’d bang the over on that OPS all 6 seasons. Arenado also had an .866 OPS away from Denver in 2019, so I don’t buy that he’s a Denver-only guy.
I like this move for all parties.
Cano will be 39 years old playing the ’22 season. He needs 530 hits to reach 3000 and 66 HR’s to reach 400. Used to be those numbers were locks for the Hall of Fame but he has basically flushed any chance of being elected to the HoF down the toilet so the numbers chasing, at his age, with a year off, will likely come up short. With or without PEDs
Cohen is done with any pickups.
I mean, why go that route when you can use car service?
Mets: Arenado
Rockies: Cano, Davis, Nimmo, Szapucki
Rox don’t have to pay Cano in 2021. Also, Historical reference: Rox acquired José Reyes in 2015 (plus others) to move Tulowitzki’s salary. Fact is Cano would be cheaper in 2022-23’ than Arenado and likely will have the DH in 22’.
Davis AND Nimmo? And the Rox are paying $100 million of Arenado’s salary, right? You want a lot of value for a $200 million contract.
He does not hit outside Coors field. So no. If they take Cano, and payoff some of his contract YES. But not giving up ANY of our MLB players or TOP minor leaguers
Nolan Arenado’s 2019 OPS away from Coors field was .866 – that is borderline elite.
I don’t see Arenado getting traded until next offseason (and that’s if he doesn’t opt-out). There’s too many things working against it. There’s his production (usually great but not good in 2020), the fact that he’s signed through his age 35 season, him having a full NTC, him having an opt-out after 2021 which means he’s essentially a 1-year rental with a 5-year $164m poison pill option that will be exercised if and only if the team doesn’t want it to be exercised and the fact that the Rockies don’t want to give off the illusion of having traded their face of the franchise for nothing.
Given Cano’s 2 PED suspensions, every GM out there knows that acquiring him would, more than likely, piss off that teams fan base. Finding someone to take him would be a long shot, at best.
The Mets aren’t giving up 2 starters and a decent prospect (w. dead weight Cano) for freaking Arenado and $199m in liability. There is zero percent chance he opts out after 2021 because NO ONE is giving him a 5yr $30m+ AAV contract. I think it’s an overpay because of the cheap years of control.
Sandy is a much better strategist and negotiator than used car salesman bro BVW. The Rockies other options include….? Not the Yankees. I guess WAS and ATL, but WAS already has a ton of $$ committed for the next decade and ATL is always a question mark with spending since they went corporate. Some local Denver talk is STL, but again…that much $$ just isn’t a move that the Cardinals make.
Since 3B isn’t an area of need for the Mets, I’d slow play it while trying to sign Springer, Tanaka, and hopefully Kluber and another RP. It’s aiming high, I just worry about Bauer’s track record and jump in spin rate combined with a supposed crackdown on stuff pitchers can get away with using. Tanaka has had a ticking elbow since joining the Yankees, but he has proven everyone wrong. Kluber is a great upside option, but at least half a dozen teams will make him an offer if he looks good at his throwing session(s).
“Sandy is a much better strategist and negotiator than used car salesman bro BVW.”
Have you lost your mind…two of the absolute worst contracts given out in history have been under Alderson’s watch…Cepedes and David Wright. Cohen had rocks in his head to bring him back. Stroman has already sucked him in by accepting the QO and now McCann for $40M…can you spell b-o-n-e-h-e-a-d.
Hindsight’s 20-20. The contracts were appropriate at the time for both Cespedes and Wright.
I can’t see the Mets taking Arenado unless they get him to waive his opt-out clause ahead of the deal. If thats the Case then the Rockies would be selling extremely low in most of the trade proposals posted. Even with the DH likely coming i doubt the Rockies take Cano back in the deal. He will be another year older before they would see him play and having a year off and facing a lifetime ban if he fails another PEDs test can’t be something any front office would be interested in. The Rockies would almost certainly want either Alonso or Smith and possibly even Rosario or Gimenez since they may lose Trevor Story next winter. Davis, Nimmo, and Familia do not get this done
I would do Rosario, Gimenez, Nimmo, and Peterson plus prospects for both, Arenado and Story with some cash relieve as well. Then go on to sign Bradley Jr, to play CF and Bauer to pair him with DeGrom, Stroman and Noah when he returns.
1.McNeil 2B
2.Story SS
3.Alonso 1B
4.Arenado 3B
5.Conforto RF
6.Davis LF
7.Smith DH
8.McCann C
9.Bradley Jr. CF
1.DeGrom
2.Bauer
3.Synderguuaard
4.Stroman
5.Matz
Not too bad is it? I also think that Lugo is better suit for a SU role. He’s lights out there. Not so much as a SP.
There is no DH in the NL for 2021.
It’s still not decided
and what happens 2022? Story, Conforto, Stoman and Thor are FA and i think Matz too but i could be wrong on that. Cano contract basically eats up atleast 2 of those potential FA and you have no other pipeline for 2022 for a replacement SP and SS. as well as potentially being forced to play an older worse defender at 2nd.
You are also giving way to much value alone in giminez and peterson. Maybe one but not both. would need to go unless the Rockies paying majority of Arrenado’s contract (like 100M) which i doubt is happening.
Let’s just be clear: Arenado is owed 164 million through his age 35 season after the opt out. That means someone would have to give a contract better than 5/164 at age 31 and through his age 36+ seasons. No one is that dumb. He knows it. He is NOT opting out. That anyone thinks otherwise is ridiculous.
Hopefully they decide to pass on Nolan Areola; that’s what I’ve been calling him over the last couple of years since he’s been acting like a boob.
Tit for tat
If there’s a willingness to absorb a not-so-large contract, Kyle Seager would tighten up NY’s defense at the hot corner. His 2022 team option would become a player option, but it’s 15m. High, but not ridiculous for an established third baseman.
NY doesn’t need more LHHs, but if a lefty were part of the return? Seattle would still probably have to send some cash, but it’s not hard to see how something could get done between the two clubs.
I like Seager to ATL a LOT more than Mets Stevil but I follow your reasoning –
Seager also said he would ponder waiving the team option for 22 if it was the right team (no clue what that is to him )
I see Kyle moving before the deadline but I think its the Braves, especially if Kyle can build upon his 20 season
I wrote a piece about Seager making sense for Atlanta at the deadline this year. I know there was interest, but obviously it wasn’t to be.
Atlanta might have been hesitant because of his salary. That probably hasn’t changed, since his salary was prorated and affordable this last season.
I think Atlanta would be more likely to simply wait and sign him as a free agent at this point (if they’re still interested). Everybody knows Seattle will be inclined to decline their team option following the 2021 season.
So, if a trade does happen, I think he’s more likely to land in LA or NY than Atlanta. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he simply plays another season in Seattle and hits free agency in 2022.
Nobody is going to give up top prospects and take on Arenado”s contract. Coors field hitter. He is not going to opt out.. The Rockies are stuck with his contract.
Angt222 you want to give up 2 of our regular players & keep in mind Nimmo OBP is high 300, close to 400, for a guy who doesn’t hit on the road as he does in hitter friendly Coors field. Citi is not a hitters park. If they want to give us Arenado for Cano and payoff some of his 6 year contract then ok.
If the Mets sign Springer to play CF, that means Dom is in LF (no DH for 2021). That means Nimmo Is on the bench and Davis maybe plays 3B which could go to McNeil or Giménez. Davis & Nimmo are expendable in an Arenado trade. Cano is included to dump his salary and Szapucki because Rox likely will want one pitching prospect included.
Ugh. No, just no. First of all, Nimmo would play left, Dom to bench awaiting the DH in the NL… no one is expendable. Plus, the very idea that a player as good as Nimmo could be expendable even if he were pushed to the bench is wrong. He’s still valuable and an overpay for Arenado and that contract. People do realize the Mets don’t HAVE to trade for Arenado don’t they? I really doubt they have any real interest and they shouldn’t. All of these proposals trying to force this guy onto the Mets are absurd.
Wow. Is Colorado really approaching the Mets hat-in-hand? That’s a little how the article comes off. The Mets could do this but in my opinion there are better ways for them to go. This is interesting because they will have to convince the Mets to buy in and make it worth it to them. I’m surprised the Rockies have resorted to this rather than just taking the hit and talking to the Dodgers.
The Mets are in flux right now with everybody settling in, so they don’t have access to all the sabermetrics and algorithms that the Dodgers and Andrew Friedman would have, which is why they would likely decline pursuing Arenado and trading players, but the Rockies might be able to fool the Mets with some statistics from the olden days (home runs, Gold Gloves, etc.), to fool them into acquiring Arenado.
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Trade for Lindor, lock him up. Better use of money.
You can get $1.25 for your dollar in most markets today
Arenado gives you 0.90 cents on the dollar
Most descions are are very complex for orgs, this one just needs simple econ-1 imo
Pass
Arenado would pass on the Mets…would not consider going for a moment. He wants to play on a winner. If he did consider it on the advise of his agent the Mets would have to cough up deGrom.
That’s a ridiculous take
Let’s do something that works for both teams.
Rockies unload the contracts of Arenado and Blackmon, maybe even Jon Gray. That means their need starts with Nimmo and Davis with Matz in return.
Contract flip of Familia and one of our three shortstops, which allows them to trade Story for more parts.
Rockies have some nice young talent and a couple of good arms. I don’t think they need a total breakdown. If they take Davis 3b/1b and Nimmo, that’s 2 ready for every day duty players. We could ask for Tapia CF and that’s done.
Story would bring any remaining pieces needed.
Blackmon goes to Rf for the Mets, Tapia to center, Conforto to left.
Arenado 3b and Gimenez SS next to McNeil and Alonso. McCann catching 2/3 of the season.
That leaves a decent amount for another starter and #2 catcher.
That still leaves us Smith to dh and cover 1b if needed.
DeGrom
Stroman
Peterson
Gray
Lugo
…is solid.
Sorry Jim stem but I see a lot of problems with that scenario. Just a few of the bat:
Matz would be a disaster in Denver.
No DH in the NL in 2021 so where does Dom play?
You’re taking a huge chance with Peterson as your 3rd starter. He’s a 5 guy for now.
Lugo in the rotation is NOT solid at all.
Why would the Mets be interested in Nolan? DJLM proved all Rockies players are “Coors Field Creations.”
How much of the $ are the Rockies willing to eat? Outside the box… are they able to trade Cano? Salary is $0 this year, 44M left on the deal. Instead of paying Arenado to play for the Mets, that could be the trade off they need to better facilitate the deal. Before you start talking real compensation.
Look at Stanton to NY Yankees as template.
Jeter gifted Stanton to the Yankees by only taking Starlin Castro in return and sending money. I’m not sure the Rockies are looking to gift anyone anything
It’s also a totally different situation… the Marlins HAD to trade Stanton while the Rox just want to trade Arenado. And Stantons contract was even worse.
How about this trade……
Smith and Rosario for Trea turner and Ben braymer(lefty out of bullpen)
Nothing says leverage like sleeping on the curb outside the pawn shop waiting for them to open.
Mid market teams having to beg large market teams to take their best player doesn’t seem like something that should happen in a healthy sports league.
With a little luck, cano fails a 3rd test.
As a Rockies fan no way for Cano. Reyes was bad enough.
Reyes came from toronto , not ny and except for his last yr where he coudnt adapt as a bench guy he was good the 2nd time around
Here’s a proposal: the Rockies keep Arenado and that lead weight of a contract. How about that?
Acquiring Arenado is a terrible idea.
Not only is he over 30, with a massive albatross of a contract, but his career numbers away from Coors are mediocre to worse. He is a career ,263 hitter with a .322 OBP away from Coors.
Hard pass.