Amidst the continued uncertainty of the coronavirus pandemic, Major League Baseball is hoping to push the start of the 2021 season into May, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale writes. This would mean a delayed start to Spring Training and a shorter season than the normal 162-game schedule.
“I don’t see any way spring training starts in February,” an American League owner said. “Zero chance of that. I don’t care if we play 140 games, 120 games or 80 games, we have to make sure everyone is safe to do this right.”
The league and the owners want players and all team personnel to be vaccinated against COVID-19 before arriving at spring camp, which doesn’t seem feasible by early-to-mid-February (the usual start date for Spring Training) given that coronavirus vaccines are still in the early stages of distribution.
“I think there will be significant pressure for players to get the vaccine first before they go to Spring Training, and if that has to be moved back to April and play 130 games, so be it,” an unnamed National League owner tells Nightengale. “But to have 162 games, and start Spring Training at the normal time without players being vaccinated, that’s just crazy. Does Arizona and Florida, with their cases spiking, really want teams with about 125 people in each organization coming to town without vaccines?”
Delaying the season would also allow for not only players, but fans to be vaccinated as the treatments become more widespread. Another season of empty-stadium baseball isn’t at all palatable to the league or the owners, and while it doesn’t seem feasible that we’ll see full stadiums anytime soon, a downturn in COVID-19 numbers could result in at least some ballparks being permitted to sell tickets this summer, if under the types of social distancing guidelines we saw during the NLCS and World Series.
Any reduction in the season would have to be negotiated with the players union, and Nightengale says that the league and the MLBPA have yet to begin discussions about the season’s length (though the two sides have been talking about such issues as the implementation of the designated hitter in the National League). As one might imagine, the players aren’t likely to accept the reduced salaries that would come with a lesser number of games, so fans could be in for another protracted set of public negotiations akin to what we saw in the lead-up to the 2020 season.
In the union’s view, as Nightengale writes, “it proved a year ago that teams can safely adapt to protocols,” so the MLBPA wants to play a 162-game schedule under the same health and safety guidelines as the 2020 season. While a schedule delay isn’t out of the question, Nightengale hears from multiple players that “the ideal scenario…would be to delay the season for everyone to be vaccinated, but to extend it a month where a full season can be played with everyone still receiving their full salary.” However, that idea won’t fly with the league, as “it would still result in massive revenue losses for teams with restricted or no fans,” plus there isn’t any desire on the league’s part to stretch the postseason into late November or December.
Lol this just keeps getting worse.
Oh my goodness! Wear your stupid masks and wash your hands and play baseball. Quick while you still have some fans left to watch and pay your salaries. Enough is enough!
Because that’s all it takes? Seriously?
And by the way, the mask doesn’t do a great job of protecting you. It protects others from you.
Halo, so you’re telling me those masks have a one way valve? Because that’s the only way your statement works, unlike actual masks.
It’s both, specifically the combination.
It’s pretty well known masks are much more effective at protecting people from the wearer than preventing the wearer from getting the virus.
I thought everyone knew that.
Here is a quick google from the Washing Post. This was last month. I love the “MAY” be protecting yourself.
Wearing a mask is much more about protecting others.
When the White House coronavirus task force first recommended mask-wearing April 3, officials emphasized that this was not about you. It was about others. Your mom, dad, other family members. Friends. The older woman who always smiles at you at the grocery store, the immunocompromised dad coaching your kid’s basketball team.
Now, a growing body of science suggests that by wearing a mask to prevent spreading the virus, you may be protecting yourself.
Yeah keep telling yourself this has anything to do with “safety”.
If a regular mask works, with a report of over 80% wearing masks back in September, why have numbers increased? Simply put, they don’t work.
To be honest, when it was phrased that masks were about protecting others I immediately capitulated.
I’m a big boy. I came to terms with the fact that there is danger in the outside world a long time ago. I’ll make my own choices in regards to how I personally conduct myself, thank you very much.
But I’m not very interested in harming others. At all.
Masks only stop drops and larger particles. They do not stop the aerosol portion. If you can smell mom’s home cooking while wearing the mask,…you know what I mean?
Ducky, I always wear a mask. It’s about others. It’s the honorable thing to do.
Yeah.
I’m willing to let go of my personal freedoms in order to protect others.
See?
I’m still a good little butter bar.
Alright. I can’t stand this stuff. I’ve already bid adieu once.
Try & listen to & respect one another fellas. That’s perhaps a tall order for me today.
I hope you all have blessed & productive days, man.
Did you really just post that ?!?! Please go back and have another consultation with DR. Google please.
@ DTDATL – I’m curious, in your scientific, statistically, and logically based opinion, are you saying that if masks had not been worn, that the numbers would not be higher? I’m not trying to overcomplicate something my simple brain cannot comprehend, your wisdom would be abundantly appreciated.
You are correct. Revised (lol) says it helps the user as much as others…..same protection.
Joegriff. Common sense dictates that’s not true. Masks do nothing to protect the eyes.
Use your brain. No one with an ounce of common sense believes it helps the wearer as much as others.
The eyes are just one example why the mask is less effective on the wearer, but it’s the most obvious example.
So the only question is how much less does it protect the wearer than others.
A lot of it is because we are inside and many cases are being spread through friends and family indoors in gatherings etc. We tend to relax and remove masks then. Why the concern for large family gatherings during holidays.
See physics 101. with a cloth mask, what he says is true.
How will leagues be able to vaccinate all players who as young athletes should be last in the pecking order before spring training? As much as I want my sports, we fans deserve the vaccination as much or more than athletes. Want to start a riot? Create another scene like the NBA did getting testing for players when the average person couldn’t bet bupkis.
Then wear, wash and distance. Imagine how much worse the situation would be if no one took precautions, people worked, dined and shopped as usual and classrooms were back to normal.
People aren’t being careful. Masks worked in Japan and other countries where everybody wears them. Not here. To many anti-maskers.
We don’t have to imagine, we have Sweden, who never locked down.
Switzerland had lockdowns and has about 80% of the population of Sweden. 6,266 deaths. Sweden has 7,667 deaths.
We’ll go by deaths and not cases. Switzerland has almost 50,000 more cases.
Lock downs don’t seem to have a lot of impact.
Mask only work if you wear a n95 mask. Tell me how many people you see walking the streets or in the store wearing a n95 mask? Not many! So therefore mask do pretty much nothing. On top of that both my wife and I that are in healthcare have had this and contacted it through our eyes. Which is why healthcare workers wear n95 masks and googles!
Is that why Sweden imposed lockdowns starting in the middle of November? Because their non-lockdown policy was sooooooo successful?
@Eddie Robbins
There was no lockdown in Japan-none.
But their citizens almost universally wore masks at all times and a substantial percent of businesses voluntarily closed. Within a week of announcing their emergency, Japanese people reduced where they went by about 70%.
Compare that to the pinheads here refusing to wear a mask because it’s their right. We have the right to fart in an elevator too, but nobody should get all whiny when everybody thinks they are a jerk and calls them a jerk to their face when they do it.
Here we go…
DTDATL, the reason why masks protect others from you more than it protects you from others, is that you spread the disease through expelling breath and mist mainly through your nose and mouth, but you can get the disease through more than just your nose and mouth–you can get it through your eyes, too, by touching them with an infected hand, for instance. Through the eyes is how a lot of people get viruses. webmd.com/lung/news/20200526/can-you-catch-covid19…
The particles that cause odors are tiny molecules. Like 100-1000 smaller than the virus itself. If you couldn’t smell through a mask you wouldn’t be able to breathe through it either.
We are ordered to wear masks at work. And we still have positive tests come in. 40 new test kits came unopened, Sent back in and all were positive. Kinda hard to fight it when the tests are infected
So the pandemic is over if we wear our masks? Come on, man. If only it was someone’s fault we were in a pandemic. And someone could save us. You’d think it was an election year. Lol.
All about money. They want to play as few games as possible with no fan revenue. I don’t blame them. Playing a third of season and salary and getting playoff money is doable. A full season with no fans, not good, unless you are one of the teams with a mega local TV contract.
Things will start to get a lot better on January 20th.
Yes, the people who hate our next President will be a lot less obnoxious than the people who hate the prior President.
There will be just as many, but they’ll be less obnoxious.
Here we go again
Took the words out of my mouth. Don’t wait to see, just jump the gun right away. No need to see what the situation is in the spring lol.
So what if the situation is much improved by then? This gives them a bit of a buffer if they need a bit more time.
Right. Because not planning is the much better way to go.
Ya this seems a little premature to say the least. Why start these rumors now? At least see where the vaccine release takes us before stomping on fans hopes and dreams lol
here we go again relying on first hand evidence.
my state does not require masks and the China virus has gone way down since september.
Is that the state of denial? The pandemic has never been more out of control in this country, luckily doctors have gotten a lot better at caring for patients with Covid19 so the death rate is decreasing, but the volume of cases is absurd. 3,000 people died on Dec 9th.
Probably 3,000 people died on December 10, and probably the 11th. Your point? Death is natural, it happens every day. Given the probability of survival, this mask B.S. is about freedom. We were never told to wear a mask during flu season, so why now. And don’t tell me COVID is soooo much more dangerous than the flu. Apparently nobody has died of the flu since last November! How amazing is that! Don’t be apart of the sheeple, think for yourself, once freedom is taken, it cannot be brought back by the work of politicians, but rather the masses of the people, war…
Yes, people die of the flu. But so far in 2020, about FIVE TIMES as many people have died from Covid than die from the flu every year
What kind of peter thinks wearing a mask so they don’t risk killing people is “taking away my freedom”?
Shutting down a business is taking away freedom. Stop whining.
Maybe this will change your mind. ED that even effects the young who didn’t get very sick.
www-vox-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.vox.com/pla…
Maybe we’ll have a decision on the universal DH by then…..
They can’t even come to an agreement on a Universal DH, which both sides want. That’s supposed to be the easy part. They haven’t arrived at the hard part yet. Coming to an agreement on a shortened season, potentially reduced pay, and then starting discussions on a new CBA. That means as fans we have a lot of pain coming over the next year related to labor discussions.
They already told owners to operate under the assumption that the NL won’t have the DH.
You know what they say about assuming
But… but… but what about the side effects? I have seen at least 3 or 4 YouTube videos that automatically make me a qualified expert to weigh in on the topic. I even printed out a “YouTube Medical Diploma” that I hang above my desk when I comment so people know.
Manfred needs to go
Why?
Lack of leadership? lack of direction? Waiting too long to figure out issues like this? He is a shill for the owners? Shall I go on???
He was hired and works for the owners. duh.
They pay him too!
Being a shill for the owners is pretty much his job?
Won’t change anything. He works for the owners. They like him. Replace him? You get another Manfred.
It’s a thankless job. Think about it , has there ever been a commish that we said, man that guy is good. Wow , that was a great decision. Go ahead and oust Manfred , then someone else’s comes in and does the same. You just detach the puppet strings from Manfred and reattach them to the bee puppet. It doesn’t really matter who the puppet is.
In Manfreds case, it’s a thinkless job
If only the 30 club owners agreed. But then, it really doesn’t matter. Manfred was placed their by the owners. They would just choose someone ELSE who would represent their interests.
But the NFL and NBA can play……?? Either all or nothing. Doesn’t make sense for some to play and others not. The risk is the same for all involved here.
They need limited amount of fans too. I think its a max of 12k fans for nfl fans. Thats nearly 3x what the marlins get per game. All mlb parks carry 30k+ so 50% capacity would be a great start.
The Marlins still draw over 10K per game.
And 80% of those fans are for the visiting team. Their actual fans. They’ve never had more than 5k fans at any given time.
True especially considering it’s played outdoors in warm weather. The nfl can do no wrong didn’t you know? Lol. Nobody would dare criticize the nfl.
Different scenarios. It wouldn’t make a world of sense for the NFL or NBA to push back on their season starts because what do you accomplish? Both would have just pushed deeper into winter, and to what gain?
I’m often critical of a LOT of things MLB does, but this seems to at least have some thought behind it.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Somebody should have been planning this already. But the slow offseason makes a lot more sense now. What morons.
Just because it wasn’t publicized doesn’t mean they haven’t been making plans. The uncertainty of 2021 had already been mentioned as a cause for a slow market. Happy holidays.
Sell sell sell
Typical of the owners. MLB needs a true commissioner. Manfred is nothing more than the figurehead for the owners.
Unfortunately, the entire concept of the commissioner’s office is to be a figurehead of the owners. Players Association stands for players… Commissioner stands for owners… no one stands up for the sport itself, and thus no one stands up for the fans
Then how does a new commissioner change that? Anybody who gets named commissioner will be exactly the same.
Used to be that the commissioner was fairly independent until the owners made one of their own the interim commissioner. Of course, the owners liked what Bud did for them and he
was appointed a couple terms. Then Bud’s right hand man succeeded him. Not sure how it would change barring a devastating scandal that would happen in the future.
@Joe. That’s exactly right! Cosmo is correct. The commissioner is chosen by the owners so there really is no point in wishing for a replacement. They would just pick someone else to represent their interests.
That’s literally the role of commissioner. And MLBPA for the players.
American league owner: I don’t see any way spring training starts in February.
Zero chance of that. I don’t care if we play 140 games, 120 games or 80 games, we have to make sure everyone is safe to do this right.
Me: I don’t see any reason why Rob Manfred should be commissioner.
Because the people who hired him want him to be.
Time to bust out the popcorn and kick back in the recliner. MLB and the MLBPA are set to go 12 rounds again. Maybe this time they’ll actually agree on what they agreed on.
“Have to keep everyone safe”. Right. Is this owner aware of the percentage of positive tests during the season? it was quite low, proof that MLB did a good job containing it. I personally cannot wait until all this undue paranoia is over. (Before someone freaks out, yes I know it is a pandemic, a scary and powerful virus…doesn’t change the survival rate, particularly among healthy folks in their 20’s and 30’s). The numbers went up, and will soon be going down.
Careful….you are going to get dumped on for your opinion. As far as I know, 70+ year olds don’t play baseball,otherwise the fatality rate is below 1%. Damn….now I’M going to get dumped on. It’s cool….bring it on. Wonder how many times I’ll be called heartless and uncaring by those who don’t know me.
I think it would take the wind out of the sails of the people trying to get at you because you told them they would try to come at you lol.
It’s not about the players safety, but it is about my safety and fan safety.
I’m in my 60s. I “think” I’m safe. But I’m not going to any baseball function until I’m vaccinated. Millions of fans feel the same way.
And with millions of fans staying away, it’s for the game’s health as well.
I’m in my 60s also and I would’ve gone last year had I been allowed to. Nothing is going to get me to live my life scared. But that’s just me. The numbers don’t add up to being terrified. Now driving on I-75 at rush hour……THAT’S terrifying.
It’s considerate.
If I got my wife sick, where she had to be miserable for a couple weeks, just so I could see a baseball game, that would make me the biggest jerk around.
On second thought, probably not. There are a lot of jerks out there. It’s all about them.
Halo, that’s why you have the option of not going. It’s ok to do what you want to do while others do the same.
DTDATL, I do understand that point, Delaying the season benefits everyone but the players.
Including the health of the sport.
Doesn’t benefit the guy who lost his job at the stadium does it? Or the vendors who put food in that stadium? Or the tradesmen who keep the place running? More ppl than the players lose their jobs. Try to see the larger picture please
But then I don’t have the option of not being next to your diseased ass at the grocery store. See, it’s not about YOU. It’s about thinking about other people. I understand that’s hard for a self-absorbed jerk, but try. Please, for the health of EVERYBODY ELSE, try to at least pretend to care about others.
Actually it does.
There will not be fans in the stands until vaccinations become widely available. If the season can be delayed and that leads to more games played in front of fans, that’s good for them.
If the season is delayed, it only stands to reason that more games will be played in front of fans and not less.
That includes fans in Florida and Arizona when spring training commences.
Infectious disease isn’t a matter of personal choice. If you go to a baseball game & get infected, you are not only putting yourself at risk, you are putting everybody you come in contact with at risk as well. (and everyone they come in contact with) .
PDX
I don’t know who that is directed at, but I can order on line at Walmart, and they put my groceries in my trunk and I never have to talk to anyone.
That’s what I do. If you are afraid of grocery stores, there are options. Unfortunately, you can’t stay in your car if you go to a baseball game.
Simple, don’t go out of your house like you support everyone else doing apparently. Get your groceries delivered. Practice what you preach. Hopefully a young diseased ridden punk like me takes em to your house.
You say I’m a self absorbed jerk, yet you tell me what to do? You Say it’s not about me, while telling me YOU are scared and don’t wanna be next to me at the store. Therefore making it about YOU. That’s a Hypocrite. I expect no less from a brewers fan. Funny all these AARP qualified quacks come out of the woodwork to pile on me and one guy is throwing all these geezers around smh.
I guess wanting to go to work and have a job and future makes me selfish got it. Guess since I don’t think it’s all about a small
Minority that can stay home, I’m heartless. Got it! If everyone followed your logic the economy would grind to a halt. We wouldn’t even have a country with that thinking. Btw I didn’t curse in any of my posts like you, I don’t have to in order to destroy your deranged logic.
I get your point.
What I don’t agree with is no fans til vaccinations. The public at large might not even be vaccinated for a long time, so what gives? You shut down til everyone gets a shot? That’s not plausible. They could have limited capacity and stay 6 feet apart. Then you could play all your games and those who don’t wanna go do not have a gun to their head, so they can stay home.
Thanks for proving that you are a self-absorbed jerk. I’m not talking about me. I’m talking about EVERYBODY. You are so self-absorbed that the very idea of thinking about someone else just doesn’t occur to you. You only think about you, so it just never occurs to you that someone could be thinking about others.
Want a job and a future? Then wear a mask NOW. Jesus, it’ ain’t that complicated. If President Pumpkinhead and all his moron cult members ha been doing that since the beginning, we WOULD be talking about full stadiums next baseball season. But no, pinheads have to think that protecting other people is infringing on their rights.
Is that independent thought I’m sensing from you? You better knock that off and think the way you’re told to think.
It’s less about the safety of the players and more about the safety of the fans they want allowed @ their games, so they can make money. Look how much these teams are claiming to have lost (you can debate the validity of that somewhere else), if it’s true, the owners have to give real consideration to the fact that it’d be better to just NOT play.
This is a good idea, especially considering how many of those early games get cancelled anyway by the bad weather. It’s much better to start off with a bit of a buffer built in than to try and schedule it in at the last second. The current NFL season has been an absolute cluster, and all they had to do was build in a few more bye weeks in the beginning to make it manageable. This sucks, but it is what it is.
Why not adopt Bryce Harper’s plan for last season?
No haircuts?
Just start the season in May and extend the season through October and have the postseason on Neutral sites.
It makes to much sense, as there must be a winner and a loser and meeting in the middle is not an option because they both win.
Aslo there is zero chance the players are going to take one less penny in 2021 after taking home 1/3 of their salary in 2020.
No. Enough netural site nonsense. MLB teams play playoff games at home. Manfred will use the “success” of another neutral site playoff to usher it in permanently, which would be a disaster for the sport.
that won’t happen, but for one more season I don’t see the big deal. Neurtal sites is never going to be ideal long term. Owners will never agree to it, they make more money with fan at heir own parks and I don’t see the union being down with this long term either.
But to get a full 162 game season in so the union is happy and owners get a better revenue stream for 2021, why not for one more season? this also can avoid the expanded playoffs too.
Have they never heard of a lockout?
This is obsurd! No reason they can’t start on time and play a full season. Manfred, the owners, and everyone who runs MLB are inept.
Umm, there is a pandemic going on and not having fans in the stadium hurts the revenue stream. Makes perfect sense to me!
Easy, allow fans. People who don’t want to go don’t have to go.
How many people have to die just so you can watch a baseball game? What a peter.
It’s easy to just say “allow fans” but thats not really the MLB or team ownership’s decision. If the government isn’t allowing in person attendance then they really don’t have an option.
Do you also advocate for this during every flu season? If not, shut your mouth you ignorant white knight.
To date, Covid has killed around FIVE TIMES the number that die annually from the flu. And who is the ignorant one?
Why are some of you blaming Manfred? Were you all thinking 2o21 was going to be normal?
Actually I recall it had been put out there many times through the previous season that 2021 was probably not going to be normal
I’m just surprised people are no longer blaming China
I am one hundred percent blaming them
They’re not bad guys, guys
@kennonr
Why would they? We all know whose ‘fault’ it is. ‘Credible’ CNN & MSNBC & NYTimes said so……..’Everything’ is HIS ‘fault’.
And so it begins……………
This is as phony as the Indians deciding they need to change their name but having a farwell tour season with “buy our discounted gear”. Owners dont give a #&#& about safety. They just want to delay the season until as many fans can come. They just played a 60 game season. The NFL is playing. NBA/NHL will be back indoors in January. Baseball will be plenty safe in February. Sad how much the owners want to destroy our game.
Go land crabby; Why would the owners want to destroy . . . sorry.
Yeah those crazy jerks trying to ruin our game.
NHL will only be back indoors with fans in very select places in January. If they want fans in many cities, they will probably have to play games outdoors.
I don’t want to wait until May to see David Fletcher on the diamond. Other sports are playing in that timeframe, and MLB and MLBPA still have two months to create a safety plan using the knowledge of what they learned this season.
If all the greats that play in the mlb….. you can’t wait to see David fletcher? No knock on him, everyone has their favorite player. But that’s just strange unless you are his cousin or something. Brother maybe idk. David Fletcher?
Guess my new favorite player will be……. Tommy la Stella lol
Last time I checked, I didn’t know your favorite player had to be your teams MVP. Thanks for the heads up. Hahaha!
He’s not my favorite player, he is the best player though. So, it’s a troll on all the ppl who it is their favorite player. It’s about how he never makes the postseason. He just golfs and hunts every fall. So The jokes on you my guy.
Your team will be destroyed by David Fletcher next year, I guarantee it
Well have fun watching him destroy the ……. orioles lol! Hahaha. If he doesn’t hit well against them he should hang it up dude. Nothing to brag about. Too bad fletcher won’t ever have a fall at bat as long as he plays for the angels. The orioles might make the postseason before your boys.
Know where fletcher will be in October ??? Hunting with mike trout during the day and watching actual good teams play at night.
It’s very simple. Start the season in May. Play 130 games. Have one more year of expanded postseason to help compensate for loss of seasonal revenue. Pay the players their full contract value. The owners will have fans in the stands and a full postseason of revenue. Yes, their revenue will still be down, but nothing like 2020.
Exactly my thoughts.
Ok. The owners understandably want a significantly reduced regular season until fans can attend, but insult people’s intelligence by saying it’s all about safety…….while players pretend they should get full/close to full pay as though fan attendance has little role in paying their monster salaries. Another nice battle ahead.
It is about safety. I’m in my 60s., I want to be vaccinated before the season starts…. For my safety.
Just because it’s a smart business move, doesn’t mean it’s not the right move.
Well please just stay at home then. But the rest of the world shouldn’t be punished. My parents are in their 60’s I worry about them too. It’s not a knock on ppl 65 or older. The world doesn’t revolve around ppl who mostly don’t work anymore(some obviously still do) but think they have a say in how the ppl younger than them live their lives.
The older generations have bled dry social security funds for years. Ran up the national debt, and generally passed the buck to the millennials, all while blaming younger ppls “irresponsible behavior” as one of the main reasons for the spread of the virus. They don’t seem to care much about ppl younger than them. I won’t have any SS because older generations don’t seem to care about our future but ….. the world should stop turning because of a minority of ppl that could just stay home.
Get the vaccine then when it comes available to you, then goto the ball game. But to say it’s a “smart move” to punish everyone else is a bit ridiculous. Respond back if you want. I got nothing else to say. You can have the last word it doesn’t mean nothing to me. You boomers want our last dollar and the last word lol. Take it all why don’t ya. Done with your generation. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
Btw….. you won’t have much to watch come October anyways when your boy is hunting or golfing again. So idk what you are so fired up about.
Troutgolfsinoctober
You are blaming the older generation for societies problems? Oh brother.
But the fact is, it is a public safety issue and a financial issue. You can’t wait six to eight weeks?
Fans will be better off and the game will be better off. The only people who are hurt are the players.
It’s thought like this that has an effect on others that they themselves dont have to deal with. Just like kicking the can down the road. You questioned me saying older generations are to blame. Yes. They still are. They don’t work mostly, but they will support policies that have negative effects on our generations jobs. Supporting shutdowns of any kind(baseball included) is what hurts our employment. You brought nothing to the table to refute my claims of how you guys hurt our generation. Just a stupid question in which I just answered for you.
I know I said I wouldn’t respond but you have to be a kidding me to even hit me with a question that I already answered. All while not saying a single thing to refute my claims. I apologize for being too harsh in my first post. Honestly. However, this is getting out of hand.
“Fans will be better off, And the game will be better off” NO way man. There you guys go again telling ppl what to do. Rationalizing to yourselves your takes on situations your generation should have no say in. You guys don’t care if ppl lose their jobs. Stadiums don’t run themselves, ppl do. Ppl also deliver food to them stadiums(if they are open). Someone has to provide security. All those things are jobs that are gonna be hurting that aren’t just the players jobs. I do not care about a players check, I care about Joe Schmo.
Wow, where to start?
This “older generation” for which you have no respect is the one that made it possible for this current -45 age group to have everything they do. From freedom to the value of a dollar to the homes you live in and the jobs you have. I doubt much will be left for the newborns if their future is left in the hands of those who needed safe crying zones and counseling after the 2016 election and all those who refuse to follow safety protocols.
Yeah, let’s just let all our seniors die because they are a worthless waste of resources because they no longer work. Troutgolf, you are an embarrassment to the human race and should be banned from internet access.
Dog you didn’t fight in ww2. So you didn’t do squat besides kick the can down the road and rob my generation of SS. Btw I don’t support any of what you just said. Read my other posts. I know you have poor reading comprehension skills, but just try.
So my generation…… had an uptick in military service after 911. We didn’t run to Canada to dodge Vietnam like you clowns. Fighting for Lyndon Johnson’s wides stock in bell helicopters killing innocent ppl. At that point nobody volunteered for service. It was us after 911 that chose to do it ourselves. What have you done that made this possible for me? You are in denial. I actually supported the result of that said election you clown. All I said was you guys robbed our future, and you did.
Those “clowns” as you call them went to Canada to AVOID BEING DRAFTED INTO THE MILITARY. Kudos to those who WANT to serve, but I’ll say “F You” to anyone that calls those who DID NOT WANT TO SERVE “clowns.”
So, F You.
Jim… He’s a nut.
@Troutgolfsinoctober
Your self righteousness & smugness is aptly demonstrated by calling people “boomers”. Yes, of course people that paid taxes all their lives & worked their guts out to get what they have should have no say at all in the country, they should just stay inside and be told & dictated what to do and lectured by the likes of brats like you. Thanks for the laugh, you’re a joke, but you typify & exemplify everything that’s wrong with society today. No respect whatsoever.
You never even served. You are a clown straight up. Defending draft dodgers over ppl who served. You guys call me self righteous for being mad about my generation being robbed by ppl. I’m for everyone going outside but if you are that worried stay in. Plain and simple. But don’t tell everyone else they gotta stay in. I wanna work and live my life.
So me not wanting to be told what to do by boomers who can just stay in makes me self righteous? Ok……
Guess I’m a proud self righteous degenerate who served and paid taxes lol. You are a clown and you should be sterilized. I wouldn’t use your worthless brain even if the world ran out of toilet paper and I needed to clean my rear end. Typical mob mentality pile on and being nothing but emotion and no facts. Fact is you guys robbed our SS and kept kicking the can down the road. Period. You can not dispute that. That’s why you resort to cursing.
Game set match
You serving does not make you better than anyone else. But you thinking it does means everybody is better than you. Plain and simple.
That’s what he said? P, stick to delusional thoughts on your Brewers.
He goes on and on and on and on and on and on about serving. And he refers to those that didn’t serve as “clowns.” It’s not unreasonable to think that he’s the sort of dirtbag than thinks he’s better, simply because he joined the military. It’s not like he would be the first veteran to think that way.
I feel for you my man…. but you have the option to stay home nobody is forcing you to go to the games. This isn’t about safety is about decreasing expenses and maximizing revenue.
Let the big babies cry. Too bad.
It’s not an illogical idea to delay the season until everyone is vaccinated, but who knows exactly when that will be? You can’t delay the season based on the premise that you might be able to vaccinate everyone by a particular date unless you know for sure that you can. Unless there is some ironclad vaccination distribution timetable that none of us is aware of, this idea is going to be fought tooth and nail by the players.
conn… sure you can.
We have an idea when the vaccine will become widely available to anyone who wants to be vaccinated. Spring.
I for one welcome the delay.
You for one don’t matter a bit more than anyone else. You have a very selfish attitude.
DTDATL,
So it doesn’t matter to you who suffers? And you are accusing me of being selfish?
It’s not up to any of us who suffers. I wear a mask 40 hours a week at work and guess what, I currently have the virus. I did my part and still got it. The virus don’t give a damn about masks or someone’s intentions. You’re either gonna get it or you’re not. That’s why it’s important for people to live their life as they see fit. No one is promised another day and I’ll be danged if I let someone else decide what my best option is for my life.
There is more than one way for suffering to occur. Your posts do come off in a manner such that you seem to disregard that. You want to be able to go to baseball and not risk getting sick or getting those around you sick, cool. Trying to act like waiting is obviously the best plan for everyone doesn’t take other aspects of the delay into consideration.
We had a season in 2020. Why do players “need” to be vaccinated prior to the season is beyond me. They can always get the vaccine if/when it becomes available during the season.
Let’s adopt the 60 game season moving forward. I liked it. I gave up being an traditionalist, the steroid era did it to me.
The delay in the start and less than full season schedule will never fly, with the players. It may be the prudent thing to do, but MLB already has an agitated fan base due to slow free-agent signings and so forth. I understand owners are concerned about losing money, but is the loss not going to be greater with a late start and loss of TV advertising, etc, as well as further alienation of the fans. If a delay has to take place it seems a date will have to be hard set, like April 30. Double header could be held once a month for each team, making up 5 games and if the season is extended to say mid-Oct you could still get WS in by Nov 7. Not ideal, but the season would be around 150 games. Players get full pay, 28 man rosters, and a FA endpoint at FEB 1 to allow all teams to know who they are working with and thus plan inoculations accordingly.
Why should fans care about slow free agent signings?
Slow offseason always gives me a chuckle. Why is it that relevant?
The loss very well could be greater. Games don’t occur for free. They’d also be paying the players more, so unless you changed it to expand the playoffs proportionally to the more regular season games you play, it could very well result in more losses than not playing.
Why does this surprise anyone? I have no idea why anyone is against this. I think the threat of COVID is greatly exaggerated and I still think it’s prudent to wait until people are vaccinated.
This is the best move for every non player in America.
You mean a vaccine that no one knows if it will truly be effective against a virus that supposedly mutates rapidly, like the flu? So we could all get the vaccine and have no protection at all. You’re putting an awful lot of faith in a rushed vaccine that chances are it won’t work and will have wide scale side effects because it wasn’t out through strict trials like other vaccines.
But the vaccine only reduces symptoms, not transmission right? Dont really understand how this helps the situation a whole lot.
Lieb, it does not reduce transmission. You are correct.
I’m in my 60s. I don’t think I’m high risk, but I don’t want this thing. If it can remove almost all my risk, I want to be vaccinated.
If you are in your 40s, this is about as deadly as the flu.
But regardless, people can make their choices, but they need a couple more months.
There is not enough data on transmission if you are vaccinated. They just don’t know yet, but they are going to assume you can still transmit the virus with a vaccine until the data shows otherwise which they are not going to know for a long while.
So sick of this
Everything in baseball has to be a long drawn out boring fight. Kind of like their games. Growing up baseball was it for me and most of my friends. The sport has killed itself with the greed of the owners and players. They haven’t had a good Commish in 30 years. Plus the time now involved to play ugggh. Enough.
P A I N
Pain.
S O M U C H P A I N
Btw, I posted a link to the video Crazy and it was taken down just as quick. I see you Mark lol.
I can’t edit my comments after I post them now… am I in time out? lol
Hey I got my editing privileges back! I’m a big kid now!
You can’t edit on mobile devices in the app but you can through a standard web browser. Never understood that.
I’m on the web browser, my privileges just got disabled for a little bit.
The cities in Arizona and Florida don’t want 125 unvaccinated people coming to their towns? What planet is this owner living on? Thousands of unvaccinated people are coming now and going to Disney, the beach, etc.
Enough of the panic and fear already.
By the summer, there should be no limits on attendance, distancing, no need for masks, etc.
That may be your view but it seems unlikely, unless the virus dies out, you will have stadiums filled to capacity.
The Stadiums in Arizona and Florida need fans in attendance, it behooves them as well to wait a month or two.
It benefits everyone but the players.
The illegitimate crew coming into office have already said masks mandatory for 2021, even though the can’t legally mandate that. A normal life is over and done with.
If President Pumpkinhead and all you moron cult members had actually cared about the country, we wouldn’t be in nearly as bad a shape as we are now.
Really, he was shutting down travel to China while Pelosi was saying visit China Town and while CNN was reporting it was just the flu.
Easy there PDX. Governors of states opted to defy the rules they imposed, and “Pumpkinhead” does not control all 50 states. That would be a dictatorship.
Since you’re in heat, I’ll concede that you do know your Brewers baseball. I just want you to feel better.
People love to lay blame. Stuff happens. I’ll leave it at that.
I agree halo. That “pumpkin head” actually used common sense and logic over offending feelings and did the right thing shutting down travel to that crap hole.
We actually agree on a lot, I’m upset at the situation my generation is in. I’m sorry for coming at you like that yesterday And generalizing your generation. . . This apology doesn’t come with a caveat, it’s an unequivocal apology. if you don’t accept it I’ll understand.
About half the population polled said that they won’t take the vaccine, MLB players figure to do the same. People can’t be forced to take it.
Rayland#1
Yes, but people should be afforded the choice. If I was South of 30, I wouldn’t worry about this at all. I’m north of 60, so I worry about this, not a lot, but more than a little.
@Ray, regardless of how one feels about “people being forced to take it,” lots of people are going to be forced to take the vaccine. No, there won’t be a national mandate. But ANY private business can force their employees to take the vaccine as a condition of their employment. This already happens in many places each year with the flu shot. So, regardless of whether 50% of the players don’t want to take it, or not, I am guessing the owners will use their legal right to require that the players do.
Agreed. The owners can’t force the players to take the vaccine. It might have to be negotiated. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the owners lock the players out or force them to strike.
Probably because some have sterilized ppl. Look at the children’s defense fund articles on the internet about how bad they ruin young women’s lives in India and Africa. A certain clown that used to run Microsoft isn’t even allowed to do anything in those countries now. Which he shouldn’t, he shouldn’t be allowed to open his mouth. Let alone find anything medically. But hey here he is helping with new vaccines. No conspiracy. Just a bunch of ruined lives. But hey just take a vaccine that was rushed young ppl, it’s okay, old ppl said it was. Smh. Look it up for yourselves, probably have to go three or four pages to find it on google since they shill so hard for him.
Man, you have an issue with the older generation.
The younger generation wants socialism and nothing ruins lives more than that.
Bro my posts are about working, not about young punk kids who support socialism. I can admit that’s a huge problem that younger kids feel that way, they are brainwashed in colleges to think it’s cool to be a socialist/commie/revolutionary. Well it’s not. Your generation wouldn’t dare admit you screwed us over.
They probably think that way because they have nothing, they were bled dry by your generation. So a handout is appealing to them. I don’t support that. I just wanna work and be left alone and not told what to do by ppl who already secured their retirements.
The younger generation wants socialism? Lol. Congress just literally gave out trillions of dollars to businesses across the country, including billions to the airlines. Many old farts encouraged these socialist policies.
What are you talking about?
It’s about 50% for people under 30. How do you not know this?
According to a new poll from Gallup, young Americans are souring on capitalism. Less than half, 45 percent, view capitalism positively.
“This represents a 12-point decline in young adults’ positive views of capitalism in just the past two years and a marked shift since 2010, when 68 percent viewed it positively,” notes Gallup, which defines young Americans as those aged 18 to 29.
Meanwhile, 51 percent of young people are positive about socialism. This age group’s “views of socialism have fluctuated somewhat from year to year,” reports Gallup, “but the 51 percent with a positive view today is the same as in 2010.”
@Halo11Fan
It is such a surprise given their ‘education’ and those that are ‘educating’ them, such as 1619 project etc…
You’ll need to fact check me on the specifics, but they asked BG about vaccines and he said his ROI was very good. I want to say he said between 2-3x.
Can they legally require someone to get a vaccination? Serious question.
@Irish, as I just posted above, private employers can mandate taking the vaccine as a condition of one’s employment. Businesses can also require that a patron has been vaccinated to receive service. Airlines, restaurants, and BALLPARKS, for instance, have the legal right to require it as a condition of entry. Not saying they will, but they can.
Those places cannot legally require it as it would be a HIPAA violation. They do not have the right to know your medical history and cannot ask.
@DTDATL: I am not a legal expert on these things. However, it’s already in play for school admission. With a few exceptions, kids must be vaccinated to attend primary school. You have to prove it to the school before your kid can attend. I do know a lot about HIPPA, and all I can say is this. Any business can say, “I’d you don’t prove you’ve been vaccinated, you can’t come in.” If one feels that violates their privacy, then they don’t get to go in (to said restaurant, BALLPARK, etc.). “No shoes, no shirt, no vaccination, no service.”
i think you’d have a better argument saying you have a medical reason not to and hide behind the ADA or saying you have a religious objection to it.
@1984, yes, I believe those are the exceptions for school entry: medical reasons that make a vaccine contraindicated, or, a religious reason.
@DTDATL: HIPPA prevents a medical provider from sharing medial info about the patient (unless they have consent to do so from the patient). It doesn’t legally stop someone from asking for that info. On the spot, a person can give personal consent in order to gain access. Again, a privately owned business can have conditions in order to access their services, under law. There is talk and articles out about a vaccination passport for just these type of situations (I’m not passing judgement for/against this…..just sharing what I know).
I wouldn’t say I’m an expert in the law around vaccines, but I am an employment attorney and hypothetically speaking there isn’t anything inherently illegal with a company policy requiring your employees to get a vaccine.
It’s really comes down to either the ADA or Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 depending on the reason for the employee not wanting to get vaccinated. If someone requests an accommodation under the ADA due to a disability, then the employer would have to go through the interactive process and attempt to accommodate them. That greatly increases the likelihood of a discrimination lawsuit if there is an employee who is claiming they cannot get vaccinated for a medical reason. Similarly, if someone has a sincere religious objection under Title VII then the employer would also have to try to reasonably accommodate the employee’s religious belief.
So for the majority of employees without a disability or sincere religious concerns, employers of at-will employees could have a company policy that requires vaccination. MLB players though are not at-will employees, they’re contract based so in terms of how this would effect them, your guess is as good as mine.
@C, thanks for the legal expertise. It fills in the gaps in my explanation above. I do also wonder about the players and their status as “playing under contract.” I would guess that there is small print in those contracts that gives owners some sort of power over those who they tender the contracts to, allowing them to mandate certain things (like a vaccination) under certain conditions (a pandemic). It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I mean, I’m all for being safe, but seeing as how the NBA is offering economic support for teams and following extreme safety precautions, and the NFL is also operating exercising extreme caution, I don’t think pushing the season back is about being safe tbh.
I could be wrong, but based on how last year went, I think the owners are just trying to save a months worth of payroll.
And they wonder why baseball is falling so fast
So, since my streaming package was discounted last season, as was to also be this season, then I’m guessing it should end up being free now?
Suffer… I like the way you think.
Thank God college football season lost zero time off their seasons and had all of the opportunities to let maskless fans throw the virus around to the point the pandemic will get dragged out to the point that MLB is delayed again. Awesome job from the personal responsibility clowns.
Yes blame it on College Football. You made this logic appear so simple.
But please lecture us on personal responsibility while your Governor continues to break his own rules.
You should be more worried the geriatricide in your state.
Actually, the pac-12 lost significant time off their season and far surpassed compliance with every health and safety protocol. Also played entire season with zero spectators.
*Me waiting for this comments section to turn into a discussion (argument) about race*
40 games again in ’21and no games ’22. congress should take away monopoly protection!
I’d love that, but you know the owners would pay congress off to avoid that.
Here comes the clown show
I have to commend Manfred. From all walks of life, he unifies everyone into thinking he sucks.
This is exactly why the Orioles haven’t released Chris Davis yet. They are going to keep saving money on these short seasons.
They’re playing chess not checkers over there in Baltimore.
Oh, goodie, another pissing contest between the players and owners. Unfortunately, aside from going on strike, which is better for the owners than the players anyway, the players don’t have much recourse as Manfred can just decide how many games are played and when.
Why not have a hub/bubble in April and May in Florida and Arizona before the heat really comes into effect? Or start spring early and start the season early to squeeze more games in a bubble and hope teams can go back to their home parks by June 1.
A 99% survival rate and their still calling it a pandemic
Ok, but if 100 million people get it, then 1 million die. Sounds like a fairly big deal to me.
What are you talking about? Their have been over 50,000,000 cases and only around 200,000 people have died. The math your are doing is unrealistic. Stop watching CNN or MSNBC lol
What are YOU talking about? A pandemic means a disease has spread over the entire country or world. Nothing in there about how deadly a disease has to be to be considered a pandemic.
Oh, and some facts for you. There’s been about 16 M cases in the US with over 300 K deaths. Stop listening to President Pumpkinhead and his moronic lickspittles.
I guess the main question I want to ask you is, how many people need to die so you can watch a baseball game?
@pdxbrewcrew
Stop talking arrant nonsense.
The death rate in 2020 is hardly any different to any of the last 30-40 years. In fact, in 1987 the death rate was 8.927, today in 2020 it is 8.88. Furthermore, USA has a lower death rate than Japan, UK, Germany, Italy, Poland Austria, Portugal, Finland, Belgium, France, Spain, Netherlands. Go take your fraudulent socialist & politically bankrupt ideologies & lies elsewhere, yet you want to talk about the word “moronic”. How apt indeed.
I thought it was like 98% but whatever
Well in August it was recovery rate is between 97% and 99.75%
The survival rate is so high because of the restrictions in place.
The restrictions are about limiting spread and infections, how do they benefit the survival rate?
So what do you say about the places that have little to no restrictions and numbers that are equal are better? Nothing is helping because viruses don’t care about restrictions.
Equal or better
Well DTD on reason could be population density. California has masks mandates and had higher number of infections than South Dakota which didnt have a mandate, but the infection rate was much much higher than California.
I don’t think anyone is disputing masks help.
But if you are not wearing a mask, then my wearing a mask has limited value in protecting me from you.
Everyone needs to wear a mask.
Yes, let’s shut everything down for a virus with a 99.7% recovery rate. Then politicize it so that it becomes insensitive to speak the truth because people have died from this. Sheep go baaaaaa.
Define “recovery.”
MLB is a fuggin joke.
We need a commish and an MLBPA head that have solid communication skills so that real, effective negotiating could commence. I do believe that while any replacement for Manfred would likely result in another shill for the owners, perhaps it would be a shill with better relationship-building abilities. Meanwhile, don’t let Tony Clark off the hook either. He lacks the people skills necessary to make this thing work better. Oh if the two sides could just play nicely in the sandbox…
Maybe the delay will lead to a whole bunch of top prospects bursting into the major leagues this year. This could be on the mind of team heads as they certainly aren’t rushing by signing this years pretty boring FA pool. This Could be very entertaining and historic 2021……
Josh Jung will definatley be a name to keep an eye on…
BTW, I wonder if this makes expanded playoffs go another season? Maybe the Rangers sneak in as the WC of a WC.
Keep in mind that the NBA & NHL players have agreed to defer some of their 2021 salaries so perhaps the MLBPA can agree to something similar? Billionaires buy sports teams as a prestige thing, not because the teams earn a bunch of money each year. The real value is in the long term appreciation of the asset but owners do not make much money each season. In fact, a lot of teams lose money every year. The financial damage done last season was incredibly large and owners will not allow that to happen again, so if they can’t come to an agreement on delaying the season then we are looking at yet another possible lock out and a season starting in June/July with pro-rated pay again. Not good for baseball especially with the CBA expiring this year. Owners should open their books to the players to show them how much they lost this past season along with how much they’ve made the previous 5 seasons. That would be a real eye opener for the players and could really help the two sides open up a healthy dialogue. Here’s what the league has stated about the last 5 years (prior to 2020). The union disagrees with this of course:
An MLB spokesperson told Forbes on Friday that their business has been barely breakeven recently. “During the last 5 years, based on the audited financial statements shared with the MLBPA, cumulative industry EBITDA is $208 million or an average of $42 million per year,” per MLB’s statement. The league says free cash before capital expenditures, which has averaged $334 million annually, was negative each of those year, primarily from interest payments.
I agree with what you said but for the owners to open the books to the players the players would need to concede a lot such as salary cap. I am a fan of a cap and floor for the league maybe not as close as football has it but something where you dont have another loria debacle where he received more money shared than he paid out in salary.
@Dorothy
Wow, if we ever elect a President on MLBTR you’ve got my vote pal! Hope I’m not the only person who had to google EBITDA, Lol.
Whatever …Swear Word here
Then if I was a team owner I wouldn’t sign any free agents, just don’t know the true market .the bucs will love this another thing they can use to suck again ..I live near Pittsburgh
Everyone knew eventually this was going to happen a delay is in the best interest all around first off MLB amongst all sports plays more games on a daily basis than the other sports they need to get on board with a universal DH so that when they do come back to start spring training and reg. season games pitchers are not out there risking a major injury while running at least that will reduce that risk you cant reduce unfortunately the risk of them hurting themselves while pitching.
Now comes the part of if a reduced season now these current Free Agents are looking at less money being thrown at them and you either will start to see a flurry of moves now to get what they can before the season is pushed back and you lose games/salary or the bulk of these players will not be able to sign until past january or when final clarification is given if a season will indeed be delayed and to what extent.
Let the bidding start now……
Then why is the nba starting up ?
NBA is starting Dec 22 so they had to push back their regular season and preseason plus reduced their games as well. Comparing NBA to MLB is not the same due to number of players, stadium capacity and the fact that Baseball just has a longer schedule and more players on the roster on the bench.
Another staring contest between MLB and the players union was pretty much inevitable. It’ll be shocking if they can agree to anything at all in the next couple of months.
And no fans in stands regardless
This is absolutely fine. I love baseball but the season doesn’t need to start so early. I took a look and in 1960 the season started April 19th.. Plus, baseball in April n many places is cold and lousy.
Plus, for the players, it has to be a complete pain to comply with every protocol while still interacting with dozens of people a day.
They’ll probably get the vaccine in late March/early April, report to camp, season can start May 1. Be around 140 games which is enough, w/ some fans and the game will look normal again.
So the players will take less salary for less games, right?
Always better to be safe than sorry, more so than ever with this pandemic still posing major questions through at least the first half of 2021.
From a ‘selfish’ standpoint as a White Sox fan, news regarding a delay in spring training and opening day would assure that rookie 2B Nick Madrigal will be in their lineup from the get-go. Madrigal separated his left shoulder in a base running injury on August 4th. He spent over 3 weeks on the IL before returning later in the month. He finished the season and postseason far from 100% and required a surgical procedure to stabilize the shoulder in October. The prognosis made him unlikely to begin spring training on time and likely would have delayed his spot on the opening day roster.
Another potential boon to the White Sox in a shortened season could be for their pitching staff. Top RHP prospect Michael Kopech opted out of last season for personal reasons. Kopech had just recovered from TJ surgery and hadn’t appeared in an official game since late 2018. News of a shortened season just might allow the White Sox to have Kopech in their starting rotation to begin 2021 rather than monitoring his innings with a delayed start in AAA with a full 162-game schedule. This might keep the White Sox from pursuing another short-term veteran starter this offseason. As always, time will tell.
I agree Mills.
At the very least, there is no reason to rush picking an opening day. This is still a fluid situation.
Exactly MLB can afford to lose some games and still will feel like a long season. Covid has put an iron hold on daily lives let alone on sports just because some have not yet gotten Covid shouldnt mean that sports should be oblivious to the surroundings around the world. Shoot I was one of the fortunate ones to have test positive for Covid but had not one symptom whatsoever no fever, no loss of taste etc and I only knew I had it because my Wife got it from a fellow school teacher I could have been spreading it around without knowing but as soon as my wife was sent home when she found out about her colleague I immediately got all of us my twins included and we got tested and lord and behold both my wife and myself tested positive with no symptoms but we sent our kids to my sister in laws house until we showed negative two tests in a row.
Bottom line people should not be griping that the season is being pushed back it is best to be safe than sorry and again these owners lost a lot of money as well and from the players standpoint they spent many nights away from their families due to strict conditions by the club.
For the longest Baseball is a long season and cutting it down will be the best for all involved.
What, and a limited, if any, spring training again? Every single minor league franchise has needs to be up and safely running BEFORE any scheduled MLB games begin.
I’m ok with delaying the season, but there MUST be a significant spring training to let players and teams get ready.
How is this any kind of surprise? Anyone with a brain knew this was coming and absolutely necessary. The numbers are at a peak high right now and to think it’ll be gone in two months is delusional. Do the fans or the league want players opting out again, team outbreaks causing guys to sit out and the rescheduling nightmare? A bunch of 7 inning double headers while some teams don’t play for a week? How about travel and actually playing teams outside their division? All this can’t be done while the pandemic carries on. And this argument that the death rate is super low is just silly, since when is dying the only negative thing that can happen to a person? Long term lung damage, heart problems, etc can vary on for months if not years. Plus the players could easily come home and spread it to family members or around the community. Let’s not cry over waiting a month or two. Let the vaccine do it’s work, people wear masks and stay away from each other as much as possible and soon enough the numbers will go way do and we can return to some form of normalcy in the world and in baseball. It’s a short delay! What are we crying about? Dumb. And this is in no way political. I’m not a liberal! It’s just logical and pretty obvious. Oh, and as bad as Manfred is, he didn’t create coronavirus.
A voice of reason. Refreshing!
Best thing to do, if they want to delay the season, is to offer any player with a guaranteed contract pay during training (whenever it would start) and normal spring training type of pay/food schedule for all players without a guaranteed deal.
Any player on a guaranteed deal will have whatever missing salary put into escrow that will be paid out in 5 years. Any player that doesn’t have a guaranteed contract will get full pay during the season without escrowing.
Everyone is happy. Play ball.
If waiting for a vaccine, I would predict a later start than May when viewing expected vaccine supply & current expected ACIP distribution guidelines beyond 1c.
With negotiations needed between MLB and the MLBPA for COVID Season 2 and the upcoming CBA it seems to be the perfect storm for a player strike or owner lockout.
However, I think the owners are the ones with their backs up against the wall after the reduced revenues from last season. The leverage is definitely in the side of the players.
Most owners have a second source of income, how about players?
Just re run the 2018 season. It was a great one. Filling 24 hours a day in ESPN with 2018. You could probably take it bets also as most bettors have short memories!
But MLB players are essential workers!
Man, a lot of people are super charged up about this. It’s just a game. There will be a season, just possibly a bit late. It’s not the worst thing in the world to miss a few games or have to watch them on tv, is it?
You should still be able to fit in 162 games or else its a sham.
Got it, 1972, 1981, 1995, 2020 and everything prior to 1961 was a sham of a season.
It’s absolutely a sham. Owners using covid to fulifill ongoing agendas they’d never be able to address otherwise…..unless ya know, the owners are honest and transparent.
Mass reduction of minor league teams
Mass reduction in salaries
Extended playoffs
Reduced regular season games
Uni DH
Covid gives em excuse to rewrite baseball and owners are gonna maximize that opportunity. They’ll hire the most expensive and talented attorneys that’ll square off against a handful of current players. Lolz. Baseball is doomed
Owners using covid to fulifill ongoing agendas they’d never be able to address otherwise…..unless ya know, the owners are honest and transparent.
They are two different issues.
Just because the owners are not honest and transparent doesn’t mean they are always wrong. Delay the season a month. Have more double headers, less days off, and you can still get a 141 or 154 game season.
Who really loses if that takes place?
Halo, didn’t realize MLB hired u for damage control. Thy prob didn’t either but appreciate your effort !
We loose friend. Everytime we believe another lie, know better, yet believe it and keep going through life – we are the losers yet never acknowledge it as that is the deception of the lie. Then we pass those lies onto the next generation and pack on even more lies. And then we are left with what we have today. No reality; only perception and millions of opinions based on perception and feeling.
This should be a good ploy to negotiate the CBA Early for both sides!!
In all honesty once the vaccine is available to the masses and stadium start to open back up you’re probably going to have to have verification that you were vaccinated before they let you in
Why.
People can make their own choices. Vaccines protect the vaccinated. If you don’t want to get a vaccine, no one should be forced to protect themselves.
My kids are required to take several vaccinations to attend public schools. No choice- just mandatory vaccines. They’ll do the same w this vaccine no doubt. To fly, travel on public transport, use public schools, work inside Corp America or for gov- their won’t be a choice. Only pressure to conform to a vaccine technique that has always been available yet never used as the technique is dangerous and unproven.
You live in a perception of freedom you created through your own life experience. Come back to reality. This country has been lost to mad men. Only way for any chance of change is to own that
I think you need to reread what I wrote. Start with the last comment.
It’s ironic that your view of my perception of freedom lacks perception.
That’s schools. Legally jobs and public venues can not enforce someone to get a vaccine. Especially for one that has a 99.8% survival rate, this isn’t polio we’re dealing with
Shortening the season makes sense but delaying the start doesn’t. If anything they should start the season on time and add more off days in the event that series’ have to be moved around allowing for double-headers and travel. Who knows when they will be allowed to have fans in attendance regardless of when the season starts so it should just be about accommodating teams and games right now
Rsox.
if we have learned anything over the last year, the players are not ask risk. Young healthy people are not at risk.
This is about the games being played in front of small crowds.
JHC… Pfizer and Moderna promise to have 40 million doses by the end of December and 300 million by April 1st… 300 million doses allows enough for MLB players, coaches and staff. At most were talking 3,500 people out of 300,000,000 million. So Dear Owners chill out…
How do they not know that ?? It’s not about safety or vaccinations. They are using covid to reshape league. Isn’t that obvious by now ??
Reshape in what way?
So start Spring Training April 1st. Delay the Season until May 1st. and play over 140 games.
Is that really a large sacrifice for fans and players to make?
Are you seriously trying to say that Covid-19 would be gone when it get hots, didn’t ex president Donald said the same thing and it didn’t go away..
Covid-19 doesn’t hot or cold so weather doesn’t matter period..
As far MLB want their players and coaches staff to get it, they are not going to be first people to get it since sports athletes are not consider essential workers at all so they are at bottom of list to getting it.
No he didn’t. Similar to flu, summer, it’s easier to avoid this illness. Flu isn’t as much of a problem in the summer either.
Fauchi said the same thing. And based on infection rates, Fauchi was right.
And he did say they’d have a vaccine by the end of the year and virtually everyone said he was full of it. I be even you said as much.
Pumpkinhead did say it was a Democrat hoax. Because he’s a moron. Just like anyone that listens to him.
@pdxbrewcrew
Indeed, if only ‘others’ had been in ‘charge’ it could have been so different.
Talks about the word “moron”, how apt.
Why???
Wow I won’t be watching a season like last year, play the games MLB
Player’s strike incoming