The Indians announced in a video package on Twitter this morning that their new franchise name will be the Cleveland Guardians. It was reported last night that a decision had been reached and an announcement could be forthcoming. The name change will formally go into effect after the 2021 season.
The franchise announced early last July that a name change was under consideration, and by December it had become clear that the organization would move forward with a new name in the near future. The team selected “Guardians” from a list of nearly 1200 initial possibilities and has provided some insight into its selection process in conjunction with today’s announcement.
The new “Guardians” moniker is a nod to the eight sculptures along Cleveland’s Hope Memorial Bridge, referred to as the “Guardians of Traffic.” The name has been among the reported favorites for some time now. Others that were popular speculative possibilities included the Spiders (a callback to the late-1800s Cleveland baseball franchise) and the Rocks or Rockers (a nod to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame).
It’s not the first name change in franchise history — far from it — but it is the first in more than a century. The franchise was founded as the Grand Rapids Rustlers in 1894 and very briefly changed its name to the Lake Shores upon moving to Cleveland in 1900. After a series of one-year stints for Lake Shores, Bluebirds and Broncos, the team renamed itself the “Naps” — after star infielder Nap Lajoie — from 1903-1914.
The “Indians” moniker has been in place since that time. There were inklings of change on the horizon long before the announcement of a forthcoming name change. The organization phased out the former “Chief Wahoo” logo from its caps, jerseys and official merchandise beginning in 2019, and talks about potential names and/or branding changes predate that logo’s departure by several years.
“We are excited to usher in the next era of the deep history of baseball in Cleveland,” owner/chairman Paul Dolan said Friday morning in a press release announcing the change. “Cleveland has and always will be the most important part of our identity. Therefore, we wanted a name that strongly represents the pride, resiliency and loyalty of Clevelanders. ‘Guardians’ reflects those attributes that define us while drawing on the iconic Guardians of Traffic just outside the ballpark on the Hope Memorial Bridge. It brings to life the pride Clevelanders take in our city and the way we fight together for all who choose to be part of the Cleveland baseball family. While ‘Indians’ will always be a part of our history, our new name will help unify our fans and city as we are all Cleveland Guardians.”
Wtf
You’re next. Get ready for the Atlanta Acrobats or something just as dumb.
Hahaha
If they were called the Steamers, then they could have used that emoji as their mascot. But that might have offended the crappy people.
Actually, Guardians is okay. Kind of generic, but I think they leaned heavily toward the inoffensive names.
The English language is full of inoffensive but interesting names. Was the Spider Anti-Defamation League waiting in the wings with pitchforks and torches if they picked that one?
“Guardians” sounds like it could have been a rejected XFL or AFL team name.
well it is an XFL name…
I think it actually was an XFL team name. Lol
Or maybe… just maybe Indians and Chief Wahoo was offensive and it isn’t just about the word but the lack of cultural responsiveness to
indigenous communities who complained about it for decades
Yeah. My brother just pointed out to me that there was a New York Guardians XFL team before the league’s last collapse.
I was hoping for the ‘Floaters’
Or maybe the Cleveland Indians name was a salute and tribute to the first Native American Indian to play for the Cleveland Spiders Louis Sockalexis.
Now the Chief Wahoo part could simply be dropped or change it to Louis Sockalexis’s nickname Deerfoot of the Diamond.
I don’t know. Wasn’t that kind of revisionary history to cling to the Indians name?
Wasn’t that the name of Keanu Reeves’ team in The Replacements?
….nah, it was the Washington Sentinels, which would be hilarious if that is the future of the Washington Football Team, including jerseys and risque cheerleaders.
….wait, thinking they just had a bad harassment lawsuit from the cheerleaders against executives, nevermind that last part.
Trade Fiasco. My first team I ever played for was called the Indians. My high school team were called the Warriors. Those teams don’t exist anymore. That’s part of my identity. Im sure lifelong Indian fans feel the same way.
Im an Angel fan. The Angels have gone from Los Angeles, California, Anaheim, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim back to Los Angeles Angels. The constant is Angels. It”s the only constant. The team is part of my identity. If you are a long time baseball fan you get this.
This woke period will never stop until people say enough. As long as people keep capitulating, this will never stop.
The other constant is losing.
Actually, the woke people are zombies marching to the beat of the liberal news networks.
Now it’s time to rename the New York Yankees. That name offends those of us who lost loved ones who fought for the South during the Civil War.
HalosFan you are seriously out here saying that playing for a team named the Indians makes that “part of your identity” with a straight face huh
Inoffensive? White imperalists steal land from the docile indigenous natives, then they erect statues of “white guardians” to show their white superiority and you dont find that offensive? To make the innocent and so docile natives fear of ever returning to their once magnificent land stolen by white imperalists. Should I start on the bigoted name “Cleve – land” now?
It’s the name of a sports team, and in 100 years no one will know or care what it was called – sort of the same as the Cleveland Spiders.
Or maybe a real racist would be happy they are no longer called the Indians. Has your feeble mind ever thought that?
I agree Cleveland Guardians sounds lame, but Cleveland Guardians of the Galaxy sounds pretty cool right. You get to guard the galaxy and you get to play in Cleveland. How cool is that?
I am not a fan or keen on the movies, just like the name.
Docile? You may want to read up on how “docile” they were with any other tribes besides their own.
But yeah, white man evil bla bla bla, says the npc Twitter troll.
People like are the reason nobody can enjoy things. You are ruining comedy because you can’t decide which gender you are and want to change the name of a team because it’s offensive to people that don’t even realize they are offended by it.
Only a racist person would think playing for a team called the Indians as a child was racist. Only a racist would think the name Cleveland Indians is racist.
Angels are offensive to non-believers therefore shall be the next name changed…..then PETA will jump in with the animal mascots, the the cancel culture will Cancel all sports or the concept of wins and losses as it’s not very nice.
team mascots repeat, friend. “what?!? there are TWO cardinals teams in pro sports?!?! WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT COLLEGE?!?” settle tf down
Halo fan:
Is that a serious post?
You say that those names are part of your identity, hilariously and ironically ignoring the people whose actual heritage and identity is being exploited.
I’m sure indigenous people really feel for you “lifelong baseball fans”, must be really tough!
And yes, as long as we keep considering the rights and feelings of others, this won’t stop. Although that’s part of being a decent human, respect for others, so I’m not sure what you’re after here.
guardians of traffic. if youve been to cleveland you get it. if you havent then they prob dont care if you think it sounds lame. glad to have ya here
Haighwiser: interesting logic…you do know that India is on another continent, right?
They’re native Americans, Indians live in India and have nothing to do with them.
Your logic is flawed.
condescending to other ethnicities by treating them as pre-school children who need to be protected from everything – including rough humor – as though they are incapable of being Joe Regular Redneck over a beer with ME, while thinking you ridiculous, is the HEIGHT of white patriarchal presumption.
You mean the Rebels who fought against flag and country to maintain the evil institution of Slavery? Those relatives?
Since when is disloyalty celebrated?
At the time of creation both Cardinals teams were from the same city that may have played into the baseball Cardinals allowing the same name
Innocent? Docile?
Less effective, maybe.
The word Yankee may come from the Cherokee word eankke, which means coward.
-National Geographic
The angels are offended by LAA’s minimizing their importance. The angels will likely litigate as more and more become aware of the offense and come forward to testify.
You don’t get it. It’s never going to stop. People like you will always cry about something. You are insatiable. You have to believe in something and that something are ridiculous things like this.
Oh stop.
OMG the ignorance on here is astounding. Google the words Spanish Conquistadors and educate yourselves on the true colonization of America.
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White, black, brown, etc. – whatever race came here doesn’t matter – at no time in history has an indigenous people held onto their native lands in 1st (or even 2nd) world countries. From the Miao aboriginal people of China to aboriginal Australians, native people have been conquered.
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Does that make it fair? No. But divide and conquer has been a human trait for thousands of years.
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If Native Americans are truly upset by the use of the Cleveland Indians name, okay, it makes sense to change it. But to attach the use of the name Indians to white supremacy is ridiculous.
I’ve been saying that for years…
I’m related to Blackbeard & I find the Pittsburgh Pirates to be offensive.
How dumb can we get?
Um … no one considers the name “Angels” to be racist. Kind of a big difference there.
Thats a good way to put it
You are ignorant. You don’t think one tribe of Indians didn’t defeat another and end up with their land? Let’s not pretend Native American people were peace loving people who suddenly became victims. If this is woke then wake me when it’s over.
When will Chicago change their name to murderers? How’s that for woke?
bhambrave, The New York Cowards! That’s hilarious!
A little. The Warriors more. I felt sick when my school changed their sports team name. And the Angels absolutely are a part of my identity. I imagine many Indian fans feel the same way. I know when your group has finished with the Braves you’ll come after the Angels and maybe even the Padres.
You’ll never stop.
As a former draft dodger, how can you write off the Los Angeles Dodgers?
This is stupid, you can find anything woke about any team. STOP!!!
Still have the San Diego Padres and Minnesota Vikings, with mascots.
Docile? Lol you’re a moron. Go read a history book. The Native Americans were masters of guerrilla warfare. The most extreme and brutal warfare imaginable excluding chemical warfare. That’s just one example. Yes, their land was stolen but calling them docile is flat out wrong.
Yes, us evil white folk could learn a thing or two about the docility and kindness of Native Americans.
npr.org/transcripts/136438816
qz.com/374994/aztec-sacrifice-was-real-and-its-not…
It’s the liberal world we live in unfortunately. Everyone wants white people to be ashamed of being white which is the most idiotic thing of ever heard of in my life. Don’t listen to what the liberals feed you
substitute “white” for Zionist & wake up….
Hey Prospectnvstr, I think you mean the “lost loved ones” (who died more than a century and a half ago – so you must miss them terribly…) who fought for preserving the institutions of mass kidnapping, and the torture of human slavery.
You poor aggrieved soul.
Sorry your loved ones were a bunch of treasonous losers.
I’m surprised at this site allowed any comments usually they’re not allowing people to come and such controversial issues. It just goes to show you if you scream loud enough no matter what the facts are to the case people will wilt when it comes to the almighty dollar. Yet they’ll call the Cleveland Browns the Cleveland Browns but we know what that’s all about that as racist as it gets Browns please
Sorry your namesake is a loser, in fact all Marxists are treasonous losers
Wow a PHD using the phrase treasonous ” loser “. Most have been Trump U ? More like a weak insecure boy who is trying to get some morsel of validation .
More projection from Marko. Sad.
Seriously you alt right crowd must have a playbook. You all use the same phrases and deflection tactics. Have secret handshakes as well?
Yeah, left wing lunatics like you never use the same phrases.
Google search ‘self-aware’ and ‘hypocrisy’, it may be of assistance to you in situations such as this.
You people really are terrified by change aren’t you ! People like Tucker Carlson laugh all the way to the bank. I bet you even donated to the Trump fund last winter after the election. And you call anyone left of center sheep? LMAO
Left wing lunatics lol. How’d that Capitol riot go for you right wing boys?
Every single thing you just wrote is a leftist talking point. Do you lack the ability to come up with a SINGLE thought of your own?
@marko, I know you are the intellectual equal of Einstein, but I used ‘treasonous loser’ because @Trotsky used it…i’m throwing his words back at him. Please try to keep up, man. Maybe the manbun is too tight.
I’m sure you came up with everything by yourself and totally don’t parrot anyone else… Lol bro take a look at this thread, it’s almost all right wing talking points. Do yourself a favor and look up “self aware” and “hypocrisy” on google. It might help you out in situations like this.
Why did you assume their gender? Stop being such an ignorant bigot.
Manbun? Lol you righties really are full of cutesy catch phrases aren’t you. Isn’t it time you get your nightly Tucker indoctrination?
Lol there’s an example right there. Anytime I say bro to some right wing cuck all they say is some sarcastic BS about “How dare you assume my gender?” Zero originality like everyone else.
@trotsky and @marko, you guys are hilarious. You must be a blast when you’re out trying to pick up girls, or do you do that whole online dating thing? Maybe LARPing?
Hmm now why would a PHD worry in the least if we have game or not. Keep trying boyo.
I’m married.
How so? So they named their team purposely after an oppressed people. Maybe they named the team “Indians” because there we’re Indians.
About as well as Blm tearing the hell out of everything.
The Capitol riot was a disgrace and everyone knows it. But the political left SUPPORTS the violence on its side. Go ahead, Trotsky, let’s see you condemn the leftist violence. But you won’t, you’ll try and justify or deny it.
The NFL Cardinals began in Chicago not Saint Louis.
That’s hilarious. Little soyboy beta male calling someone else a cuck.
Found the incel.
What is the “political left” and how am I a part of that lol? Is that different from the political right that acts likes right wingers haven’t committed mass shootings? You can talk about broken windows all you want but the so called “political right” have dead Sikhs, dead Jews and dead black people on their hands. All those poor windows that the the “political left” murdered.
You’re pathetic. And 100% brainwashed. Seek therapy limp wristed crybaby.
Don’t Guards keep people from escaping places? Like prisons? Clearly a racist name.
The Indians wasn’t even meant to be a permanent choice, as lifelong Clevelander Anthony Castrovince noted in his column:
The Indians name was not supposed to stick.
“The nickname … is but temporarily bestowed,” wrote the Cleveland Plain Dealer, “as the club may so conduct itself during the present season as to earn some other cognomen which may be more appropriate. The choice of a name that would be significant just now was rather difficult with the club itself anchored in last place.”
“Don’t Guards keep people from escaping places? Like prisons? Clearly a racist name.”
The fact that you associate prison exclusively with minorities is a dead giveaway that you’re a white racist. In 2017, the prison population in the US was 33% black and 30% white.
Lmao
That they are
The team was literally named the Indians, because the first Native American player played for Cleveland.
Come to Anaheim for the Guardian Angel game!
exactly This just shows how soft the MLB has become , All 3 major sports are losing revenue at an alarming rate due to they’re liberal political stance , Sport’s will Never be as big a draw as they used to be, my son-in-law was in the MLB for 6-7 yrs made $16mil. before career ending injury both him and myself don’t watch MLB games anymore we cancelled our subscription’s after theyre views on BLM (terrorist group) he still has friends in the league but we dont follow sports as a whole anymore because we are conservative republicans like the majority of fans..
Braves will follow the path of florida state and find a way to honor native Americans there for allowing them to keep the name. It’s been done and will be done again for Atlanta.
Holding onto ignorant traditions like chanting and chopping is pathetic… nothing about the Atlanta Braves will ever be honorable to Native Americans
Oh, boo hoo.
Braves DO follow the path of FSU and continue to honor Native Americans/local tribes. mlb.com/braves/community/native-american-community — I believe last weekend they had a special honoring at Truist of local tribes and I know and there’s a dedicated place at Truist Park that educates the fans about the local tribes and their lineage.
They have regular dialogue with a council of local/regional tribes, which is how they stopped encouraging the “tomahawk chop” rally – that continues only because fans are leading (and not Braves production team members).
I don’t doubt that eventually the name may be changed (to inevitably something bird-related: Hawks, Falcons, Thrashers, etc.) — but it most likely won’t be because of Native Americans.
Braves do not participate in the chant. They stopped leading a chant (playing a drum over the PA) and now fans lead it. I could be wrong and they could have changed something, but they’ve been very intentional in stopping some of the things that were discouraged during regular meetings with an alliance of the team and local/regional tribes.
Oh I see. So they must seek approval from the indigenous community? Do they all vote on that like they do with their casinos, or is it the tribe chief who approves?
If native Americans as they do with florida state seminoles take the name in honor while the braves celebrate the heritage what’s the problem??? Florida state chops and chants and was given the blessing by native Americans. Get over yourself
The chant started in 1991 when Deon Sanders played for the team. The team stopped it. It won’t take long for the fans to drop it as well.
If the Braves drop the s, then the name refers to a worthy personality trait and not to a specific ethnic group.
The way this league is trending, they should drop the S and add NOT to the beginning, or just go with the P word and be done with it.
No need to seek approval. I don’t ask a Steelers fan if it’s ok to take a crap essentially passing one of their ancestors daily.
But liberals do ruin everything #lookatbiden
The chop or chant or whatever it is continues because the fans are ignorant and the team name is still Braves…. Would the fans continue this behavior if the name was changed?
The Braves do participate in the chant… they allow a percentage of ignorant fans to hold onto this awful tradition by simply keeping the name….. If the name was changed the chant would stop? Does the alliance with local and regional tribes also include the exchange of money, tickets, merchandise, privilege at the stadium or with the players, etc? Do a limited number of Native people benefit from the alliance while silencing those who don’t?
The new team name sounds more appropriate for a newspaper. The Cleveland Rockers might have been a better choice with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame also in town.
If the Atlanta Braves want to change back to the minor league name that had before the Braves moved there, they could be the Atlanta Crackers again.
Interestingly, that was the home team until the Milwaukee Braves moved to town. They liked Crackers so much it was the name of 2 teams: Black Crackers and Crackers.
Oh boy, times have changed in The New South.
Crackers, great idea, that wouldn’t offend anyone…………..wait a minute
Guardians?! #free Brittney!
Lol, not happening. The Braves have the full backing of the Cherokee nation. That name isn’t going anywhere. See Florida state seminoles.
But are the white liberals ok with it? They will decide if natives are offended by something.
Ugly name but you Cleveland fans just bailed out the Ray’s as the franchise with the worse logo in mlb.
If the name “Indians” bothers people, I can’t believe they are ok with a stadium full of fans in Atlanta doing that ridiculously annoying chop thing while imitating a caricature of Native Americans with that lame chant. Personally, I could not care less bout ny of these them names, I just find that Braves chant to be obnoxious.
about any of these team names*
people need to get a life. guardians is as stoooopid as it comes
Could be worse…they could have decided to go with something like Pelicans.
They copied the US space force? What happens when they are offended?
joke or not, no one’s making that connection for real.
I’m Groot
For the next hour, anyone making a comment in favor of the name change will get 2x God Points and 2x Internet Cool Points.
Most of them don’t believe in God.
More woke bs. What a stupid name. If I was an Indians fan I’d be embarrassed. Frankly as an American baseball fan I’m kind of embarrassed anyway.
Oh give me a break.
I’m embarrassed that you are embarrassed. The Indians name needed to go. Guardians sucks but you gotta be kidding me with Indians.
In what ways is indians something that needed to go? I’m guessing with your logic we should get rid of Braves and Blackhawks just because they reference people that are indigenous to that area as well? Liberals ruin everything
people that say “liberals ruin everything” are the type of people with carpeted showers. just stfu its a damn game yall
Why don’t you stfu?
glad YOU arent a fan of the team 🙂
‘guardians”of what?
Of Traffic!!
…and the low spark of high heeled boys.
The Cuyahoga River. They’re making sure it doesn’t catch on fire again.
The Dolan families bank accounts.
That’ll be “Cravesfan”
The name is lame. But that logo is ridiculous. Any guardians of traffic fans excited to buy some team merchandise?
Good for them for changing the name but Guardians is brutal.
Why? The actual people supposedly offended werent.
And were you the one polling “the actual people supposedly offended?”
It’s a nickname that does belong in a time/era that is long gone. Time to move forward in life/the world
From the guy who is a self proclaimed Sheep.
What do suggest, The Cleveland Woke?
shoulda gone with Comacheros or Vikings
Yes. Literally look it up. The favorite teams of actual Native Americans are the Indians, Braves, Chiefs, and Redskins according to polling data. Native Americans largely aren’t offended by any of these names. Woke white women and you are.
Bam.
Somebody yesterday suggested Cleveland Karens.
*ComaNcheros
If you are more offended at this than Indians, you are part of the problem.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
Just saying if you would take time to research before spewing the woke NPC lines then you would know….
@Nuanced Jamesian;
LOL
Great!
But in keeping with the social media / uneducated users of today:
Cleveland Carens…..or maybe……
Kleveland Carens.
That polling data is skewed by anyone who self identifies as Native American. Not tribally enrolled members or community members. Look to the number of Native orgs like National Congress of American Indians or the number of sovereign tribal nations that supported the change or the fact the Amanda Blackhorse a Navajo woman stated the Nit Your
What problem is that? Not toeing the liberal line? Eh comrade?
Not your Mascot movement*
These clowns can’t. Clinging to the past with all their might because change and the future scares them, makes them wet their pants./ panties .
Ohh…good comeback!!
Again, not understanding the full context of the nickname..which I do not expect people to understand here, but judging without knowing the context “Prov”
Indians were what 8% offended I believe in the Washington post poll several years ago. Journalist were 99%, and white women with some form of liberal arts degrees were 95%. Fangraphs staff was 100%
No..just wake up to the times…it’s not 1960 anymore…or 1860..
What’s your source? Where shall I look this up? What do I Google?
As I was saying… the poll was self identifying as Native. Not enrolled tribal members or people living on the reservation or in indigenous communities. The pill didn’t go into places like Pine Ridge and go door to door asking people without broadband and phone lines … so there is no way that survey has any sense of what goes on in indigenous communities. I am someone who’s job it is to survey just one Native community. I do it twice a year and just in that one community we rarely get sufficient results because Indigenous Peoples tend to have a rough history trusting people asking them questions
“Native Americans largely aren’t offended by any of these names. Woke white women and you are.”
@ Catuli Carl;
Correct.
I worked with a number of native American Indians in LA. They loved Chief Wahoo. Said that Indians caps were worn proudly on their reservations.
BTW – the drawing of Chief Wahoo was commissioned by Indians owner Bill Veeck, post-WWII. Bill Veeck is the same guy that bought the first black player into the AL – Larry Doby, and shortly thereafter an aging, legendary, funny Satchel Paige.
Today Bill Veeck is regarded by the history-revisionist leftist morons as a “racist”.
Literally look it up… hundreds of Sovereign Tribal Nations and Native Organizations who represent indigenous communities came out in support of the change. Who did they actually poll for their Native American data? Unless they went around to all 600 reservations where many don’t have phone lines or broadband there is no practical way to do this sort of survey…. And I work as a community development planner for tribe. I do surveys with indigenous peoples all the time. It’s hard enough to do one in a single community much less across 500+ nations
Never understood the association with communism and liberalism…. actually polar opposites.
But also understanding how polling data works is important and understanding how spread out, rural, isolated indigenous communities make it nearly impossible to do national surveys. This poll is based on self identified as native and not based on tribal enrollment which means any one who claims indigenous ancestry can have a vote which isn’t the same thing as people who are actually enrolled and community members of a Native community. If you took the time to research ins the ad of finding a survey that confirms your bias then you would know…
Jays
Most have no clue what liberalism or communism really is. No clue about the ideologies or historical context.
They are scared of any and all change, and terrified the world will pass them by. ( which it will )
Vast majority of Americans think socialism is the same as communism and Democratic Socialism equals Venezuela. That way they don’t have to use their brains.
Did you know: During election season, pollsters don’t actually ask questions of every single American, but rather ask a subset to gather data about the group? The notion that you would need to hear from every single Native American in order to come to a conclusion about the general view of the demographic is nonsensical.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
It is called right wing propaganda.
Beyond my back yard is a reservation. Two of my son’s friends are native Americans. They are not offended.
Every well adjusted human being on the planet knows not to take offense when no offense is meant. I’m mildly autistic and it affects every day of my life. Meaning I act differently. People comment on my quirks all the time, no offense is meant. People need to stop being so woke. It will never stop until people say enough.
So what socialism are you talking about.? Where does it work? It’s time to use your brain and realize it doesn’t work.
Nothing has brought more people more out of poverty than capitalism. Stupid Bernie commented on how well China is doing bringing its people out of poverty. They are doing it through economic capitalism. They are are a communist nation, but the economic engine bringing people out of poverty is capitalism.
So use your brain. I doubt you can.
@ mjpeez;
I’m sorry to burst your bubble……
But those commissions are not made up of people that in anyway represent the thinking of the majority of the people they claim to represent – anymore then those working in government agencies represent the thinking of the American people. Those people are primarily activists that make a career of taking care of themselves and their families by claiming to represent the wishes of people that had no say in their attaining a position.
Example – I have many black friends and acquaintances. All have made something of their lives, and have come from mixed backgrounds. They’re vehement in stating that in no way do people like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or MSNBC/CCC, etc. represent their thinking and that of their family members.
It’s called left wing propaganda. The left owns our education system, press, entertainment industry and the internet and you think people are heavily influenced by right wing propaganda?
You people think socialism is a good idea, that just shows you are the one that is brain washed.
Liberalism is generally meant as that American political philosophy, 1910 or so to current, best exemplified by the New York Times, the organ which shilled for the Soviet Union from 1920 up through the mid-80s. It’s greatest President, FDR, ran administrations filled with actual payroll Soviet spies. Two of its Presidents presided over the most half-assed wars in American history, resulting in vast swaths of Asians winding up fleeing from commies in make-shift boats or trapped or dead in commie North Korea. One of its Presidents allowed Soviets and their proxies to run all over the world unhindered, in the late 70s.
That party is the natural home of white idiots with daddy issues and Che Guevara posters on their dorm walls.
Are you jay refiner? You literally have the same name as someone on tcap. Meat rocket. Cmon.
Most Republican voters don’t know a single thing about politics
Liberalism was around long before 1910 America. SMH… Ever hear of the age of Enlightenment ? Or does that level of intellectual thought hurt your head?
“Liberalism is generally meant…” I wrote. That is a FAR different thing than what you’re talking about; and what YOU’RE talking about made its first and most important inroads to greater human liberty under Parliament, and Cromwell, and John Milton.
I’m mostly about liberty, as was the American founding. You are
Not.
Bill Veeck wanted to integrate baseball during WWII. So many stars left he wanted to fill a Roster with a Negro League all-star team. One of baseball’s great “what-ifs”.
You misspelled Democrat.
General implies the larger portion and your definition is so far off base it is ridiculous. Your other involving FDR comments well conspiracy theory much?
On a side note care to take a guess what political group tossed around the words marxist/communist /socialists as easily as modern day American conservatives? Don’t talk to me about Liberty boyo.
Nuenced seeing how you mention the 2 “Asian ” wars. Surely you know that Ho Chi Minh reached out to Eisenhower in hopes he would support the Vietnamese in the efforts to secure independence from France . He didn’t and we all know how that worked out.
People like you are the problem, Asfan. You can stop virtue signaling also. You’ve got like 30+ comments on this article saying the same thing repeatedly.
Ok. Let’s rename the New York Yankees. The name is offensive to those of us who lost our loved ones who fought for the South during the Civil War.
“Generally meant”, puffball, is generally understood to imply a definition most generally adhered to in current-day discussions.
And nothing conspiracy about it – we’ve got the Soviet documents. New Deal admins were splitting at the seams with paid Soviet operatives.
Finally, French Revolution was also an Enlightenment project – that’s pretty much where commies got started.
To paraphrase the editor in Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, “if the facts get in the way of the narrative, believe the narrative”.
You think what you think because you don’t *actually* think, but respond to whatever goo is intruded into your synapses by “experts”, having no critical faculty whatsoever, and not understanding that most human beings in any position of cultural importance whatsoever are absolutely full of ****, about just about everything; and you aspire to be one of them.
Sorry, it’s a pretty exclusive club, and I don’t think they’d let you in; but, you are
Useful to them.
Cleveland Cowards sounds better
You’re the problem dude
I suggested this in a thread yesterday but my favorite is the Cleveland Progressives as they play in the field of the same name and ask now helping to ruin sports and the rest of American society
You are well indoctrinated mein herr. That 20’s crowd in Germany would be proud. Oh wait there are those who are using the same tactics today. Identify a group to make the boogeyman, sow mistrust in MSM, tell the Big Lie. Seriously it is eerie the similarities . Only fools, the ignorant and the true believers can’t see it. Which are you?
This Ho Chi Minh, the lifelong Commie? Why should we have paid for the rope?
“at the time of the Versailles Conference, Hồ Chí Minh was committed to a socialist program. While the conference was ongoing, Nguyễn Ái Quốc was already delivering speeches on the prospects of Bolshevism in Asia and was attempting to persuade French socialists to join Lenin’s Communist International.[26]
In December 1920, Quốc (Ho) became a representative to the Congress of Tours of the Socialist Party of France, voted for the Third International and was a founding member of the French Communist Party. Taking a position in the Colonial Committee of the party, he tried to draw his comrades’ attention towards people in French colonies including Indochina, but his efforts were often unsuccessful. …
His articles and speeches caught the attention of Dmitry Manuilsky, who would soon sponsor his trip to the Soviet Union and under whose tutelage he would become a high-ranking member of the Soviet Comintern.
In 1925–1926, he organized “Youth Education Classes” and occasionally gave socialist lectures to Vietnamese revolutionary young people living in Canton at the Whampoa Military Academy. These young people would become the seeds of a new revolutionary, pro-communist movement in Vietnam several years later. According to William Duiker, he lived with a Chinese woman, Zeng Xueming (Tăng Tuyết Minh), whom he married on 18 October 1926.[31] When his comrades objected to the match, he told them: “I will get married despite your disapproval because I need a woman to teach me the language and keep house”.[31] She was 21 and he was 36. They married in the same place where Zhou Enlai had married earlier and then lived in the residence of a Comintern agent, Mikhail Borodin.”
Marko, isn’t what you are describing exactly what YOU are doing?
So you’re saying they are justified in their fear since the ‘world’ will pass them by? Wtf, does that even mean, since you are obviously so smart…also, today’s liberals are in no way actual liberals, they are mostly clueless or straight up Marxists. Which one are you?
You’re scared of opinions that don’t align 100% with your own, clown.
great thing is, that there are TONS of American zoomers who HATE everything Marko thinks, with a greater vehemence than I’ve ever mustered, and THAT is where the REAL war against the SJW crowd started.
All you idiots had to do was leave them be to play their games, but you could not stop your schoolmarm fascism, and they will pay you all back, sevenfold, in the coming years, I promise you that.
YOUR overreach is how we got President Trump to begin with. We’re perfectly happy to do it again, libs.
@jaysForDays
There is no association. People need to stop calling the majority of the left liberals because they are not. There are very few true liberals left and most are older..
The new movement is socialism and people who cling to this ideology should be called socialists not liberals.
Isn’t the purpose to lead the younger nations to the path of liberty and democracy? Oh wait that didn’t go so well with Cuba under Ike either did it.
The United States “ignored eight direct appeals for aid from the North Vietnamese Communist leader, Ho Chi Minh, proposing that Vietnam be accorded the ‘same status as the Philippines’—an undetermined period of tutelage preliminary to indepence.
Ever hear of the pentagon papers?
Thankfully he’s nothing like you.
Not at all. I am pointing out that several of the tactics of the Trumpist right are very similar to a group from a very dark period of human history. Not the least of which is fervently clinging to the supposedly “glorious “past.
Sorry to burst your bubble but these organizations and tribal nations are elected by their own communities. They are not the sort of talking head orgs you are referring to because unlike other ethnic groups indigenous s peoples are recognized sovereign nations and it is a violation of the federal trust responsibility of the United States to not consult with tribal nations and sovereign entities. It’s not the same thing as anyone taking on msnbc . These are not activit organizations they are governor if bodies of sovereign nations and as I said at the beginning the survey everyone refers to is inaccurate and didn’t go into federally recognized native communities and ask community members it’s just self identified however anyone wants to define themselves and there a lot of pretendian Cherokee princesses out there
I suppose you believe the big lie as well?
1- I am not American ( thankfully )
2- You people with half a brain should read Paul Kennedy’s “Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.
The term global overreach / and over stretch are very much coming into play .
The fact some of you cry so hard over something as meaningless in the big picture as a sports teams name goes to show how absolutely terrified you are. I apologize in my passion for name calling. I feel sorry for you, The World is changing and 1950 is never coming back.
Well said marko
“1- I am not American ( thankfully )”
had to give you a like on that one as I too am thankful for that
@marko, are you referring to me in your latest screed? Sorry, but you are sadly misinformed or naive or probably both. The progressive Marxists attacking many of our Amendments and the underpinnings of our constitution are the ones acting most like Germany in the 20s. Seek knowledge and use reason and maybe someday you’ll wake up.
I wasn’t but seeing how you jumped in. Here are the similarities ,
1- Identify a group to blame for all the countries problems ( A- Germany 20s- Socialists/Communists and the Jewish faith B- Mega Cons- Chinese/Radical Left/Socialists/Commies
2- Promote a false idea that the past was wonderful and they would return them to their rightful place. 20’s Make Germany great again. and well we all know what Maga stands for.
3- Both sowed seeds of “fake news”
4- Both sold the Big Lie
5- Both had a demagogue as leader
I could go on and on and on.
If you people do not see the danger in this then there really is no hope for you, I just hope you don’t drag the rest of the World down with you.
love it when people say “look it up” in their arguments like bro… youre saying it. show the man! lmao “hey dude for real look it up do your research just dont be “woke” ok? but for real dude just look it up do your research ask all my native friends seriously just look it up bro its there the facts are the numbers they are there just look it up bro” gd
@ Carl spewing generalities as a Cubs fan???? about the Indians changing their name looks real chicago of you. good on you bud! Bet youre a hit at those underground chicago parties amirite? #lookitup #ClevelandCatuliCarls #justlookitupbro #doyourresearchbrojustlookitup #CarlKnowsEverythingAboutWhatNativeAmericansLike #HeLookedItUP
Halofan: good god man, how ignorant can you be?
For years now (if not decades) the happiest people on earth live in Denmark, Sweden, etc which are socialist democracies!!!
That’s why they’re constantly referenced as examples of how successful adoption of more socialist constraints on capitalism can benefit a society…
Oh and that other tiny country…I think it’s called China? Has been doing pretty well, unless the republicans have been lying to us! Which we all know is impossible…
Nuanced:
Convenient that you don’t discuss the last 20 years of republican presidents lying to us to start unending wars all over the world, destroying the economy twice, being responsible for more American deaths than the civil war, making corporations citizens that don’t pay taxes but control the government, creating the widest wealth gap since the gilded age, oh and attempting to overthrow democracy…and the last one was Putin’s lapdog (wish he loved the USA as much as he loves Russia)
Basically, ya know, the stuff that’s important now, not your distorted (and BS) view of the more distant past!
News flash:
The soviets were our allies during WWII…nothing underhanded about them being in Washington as, again, they were our allies.
@marko, please do go on and on. None of the five fit. 1. Nazis were socialists and the blame game goes both ways today, very different than seizing private property and rounding people up 2. MAGA isn’t about 1950s, it’s about the idealistic founding of America and all its successes based on individual liberty. 3. Both ‘sides’ in America decry ‘fake news’ and objective journalism is dead 4. What is the Big Lie, something from the TYT? Never heard of it. 5. Trump is no demagogue, he just shined a light on the problems and didn’t back down like other leaders have in the past. Sorry, but when Trump is gone, we’ll all still be here. You may think you’re on the right side of history, but when progressive statists don’t like what you stand for, there will be nobody left to speak up for you.
Instead of the ‘right’ in the US, it is actually the pseudo-liberal progressives that bear most similar resemblance to Nazis. Taking away individual liberties and rights and doing things against individuals for the ‘greater good’ with an expected allegiance to the state fits perfectly for nazis in the 20s, as well as socialists and communists throughout the last two centuries. This perfectly fits the hopes and dreams of the progressive ‘democratic socialists’ of today. Your list was pure projection.
They were paid spies of the Soviets – Americans, mind you – doing the Soviet’s work.
Those are called, usually, traitors, except by libs, for whom they are idealists.
@marko, my reply to you is ‘awaiting moderation’, but needless to say, you are projecting. I gotta love the mods here at SJWMBPTR where marko is permitted to compare the ‘right’ in America to Nazis, but when I rebut this, it is my comment that gets moderated.
I’m sorry but when I taught college, I had lots of Native students — Navajos, Hopis, Kiowas, Apaches, etc. some of them were offended and some were not. What they disliked in general was the appropriation of their names, images, culture, etc. by people who neither understood nor cared about Native people and their cultures. Many found Washington Redskins offensive, but did not find the Red Mesa Redskins, a school I often pass on the rez, offensive. Why? Probably because the former was just an appropriation of a symbol by people who did not give a damn.
When I was growing up in an ethnically mixed working class neighborhood during the 60s and 70s, we all used ethnic slurs on each other. Little offense was taken. If you as an outsider tried it, it was not acceptable and we unified against you. (See the barbershop scene in Grand Torino.). Unfortunately, most Americans today are too stuck in their silos to understand or show empathy for others.
@chiefin_wahoos
Well if you can’t do it on your own, I’m happy to help assuage your ignorance:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/10/poll-of-n…
While not specific to the Redskins, a survey conducted in 2002 by The Harris Poll for Sports Illustrated (SI) found that 81 percent of Native Americans who live outside traditional Indian reservations and 53 percent of Indians on reservations did not find the names or images used by sports team to be discriminatory. The authors of the article concluded that “Although most Native American activists and tribal leaders consider Indian team names and mascots offensive, neither Native Americans in general nor a cross section of U.S. sports fans agree”
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
Also. if you think it’s so terrible, why is Chief Wahoo in your username? Are you some sort of colonialist genocide-loving white supremacist?
Aren’t the left the ones burning books and erasing history? Isn’t that more in like to what happened in Germany?
If you knew anything about history you would know I am far from projecting. PHD huh lmao yeaaah right.
No Pad I am not comparing the “right” to them. I am comparing the trumpists to them , and not the common people ignorant of history and political ideology but the leaders who use the exact same tactics to sow fear amongst their supporters. Calling a spade a spade.
@marko, you are showing ignorance of history with your ridiculous conflation in your previous list. It is a list of what the Marxist left is currently doing, so it is projection. Then again, you mentioned you weren’t American. Since many, in fact most, leaders sow fear, sadly, what country do you live in and who is your political ‘leader’? I’ll easily find some fear mongering on his/her part. Also, where is your doctorate from? Mine is from a top university in America and thankfully I was taught to research, use logic and reason, and think for myself, hence why I am not a indoctrinated progressive.
I am secure enough in my intellect and manhood that I do not feel the need to include my education in my nickname on a sports site where 99% could care less about someone’s education.
Projection you say? So it is the American left who coined the term Make America Great Again? The left who are fear mongering about the socialist agenda taking over . Seriously for someone with a supposed PHD from a top notch American university your grasp of History is at a high school level at best.
Next you will be trying to sell us that there really were WMDs in Irag.
The World is changing son as it has throughout history , clinging to the past will only not stop it. Now go howl at the moon if you want, throw a tantrum or whatever else you far right head cases do when you don’t get your way.
If you are an intellectual go read Paul Kennedy’s book ” Rise and Fall of the Great Nation.
Then again the truth and history scare you so best you don’t.
Correction the book is “Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. ” : Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 . Should warn you though it is 704 pages and does not have pictures. I challenge you to go read it.
@Marko, hahaha, yeah, I’m projecting and am very insecure. I am also grasping at the past, wah, where is my safe space. Truth scares me and I hide in the corner whenever some pseudo lib challenges me. This is of course, opposed to you that has displayed amazing intellect here and as to manhood, well I’m guessing you might just have a manbun and are trying to impress the ladies you are younger than the 68 in your title suggests you are (birth year).
Since I’m not ‘far right’, I guess I can’t go throw a tantrum, but I’ll let my friend who experienced chemical WMD PTSD from serving in Iraq, know that the manly and brilliant Marko says he is lying.
I’ll check out your book, but I’m waiting to hear where your degrees are from and who your political heroes are.
Are you sure about that? Look at the BLM movement which is liberal and supportive of the Cuban communists government.
That’s deep thinking there. Based on your probably talk to yourself a lot.
Well Mr Pad, seeing how you never really said where your supposed PHD is actually from I will tell you. I have an Economics degree from the London School of Economics and an MBA from INSEAD. My Political heroes range from Reagan on the right to left of center like the first Trudeau. Presently I am working in Singapore but I am Canadian
. I am vehemently against populist demagogues like Trump they are a real threat to Democracy. ( See Putin/Duterte/Erdoğan all who The Donald openly admired ) I really do think America could do better then Biden. I mean seriously a country with 330m and the best you can come up with are the likes of Sanders/Biden/Trump/Cruz and DeSantos? I mean seriously.
Ok big boy where are your degrees from? And who do you see as your political heroes.
@marko, wow thanks for mentioning your specific schools and they are both really good schools. I won’t disclose mine as I would be at risk for being canceled (very few people went to my schools, have the political philosophy I have, and happen to be a Padres fan), but they are both top 10 in US and I took some MBA classes while I was getting my PhD. You can make fun of me for not disclosing, but the risk of being canceled for my beliefs is not worth disclosing my identity on social media. You win.
As far as ‘heroes’, needless to say, Reagan is a hero of mine, too, but in general I don’t find many heroes in the political world. Rand Paul and Mike Lee probably the best of today’s group.
Interesting, years ago (like 10 years ago), i conversed with a smart, snarky liberal Econ guy working in Singapore who I think was from Canada…you been in Singapore since ~2010? Maybe I already know you, lol
I respect you not saying. No I have been here since 2014. Beautiful city, low crime , only a short flight in many directions to some of the best diving and/or beaches in the world but hot AF .
@marko, thanks. Diving and beaches are awesome, but I only get them when on vacation. Sounds like getting access to them all the time is worth the heat. Enjoy. Someday I hope to visit Singapore. Maybe after I finish Kennedy’s book. And I guess you didn’t grow up in Quebec if you’re a fan of PET, one might say he used a bit of fear mongering during one particular October. ✌️
The problem is people who currently self identify as liberals have been forced fed marxist propaganda for so long that they aren’t even classically liberal anymore. That doesn’t even start to get into how they’re now anti free speech, and pro assessing people off of immutable characteristics; two non negotiables that are clearly defined in classical liberalism. And the hate speech counter is a cop out; who decides what is hate speech, what are the parameters, and how exactly is it applied?
You do realize “Putin’s Lapdog” pur massive oil sanctions on Russia, that beijing biden just removed not too long ago? Let’s see what mental gymnastics you’ll use to rationalize this one away
Thank you bro. Best comment in this entire thread.
Really…I am more than offended and it is people like you that take something that is innocent and make it into something it is not or never was meant to be!
Naming a team after a race is just weird. The Chicago Caucasians, Atlanta Asians… How’s that sound? Not even mentioning the derogatory part of it. All the traditional boomers feelings are gonna be hurt but it’s a good move. Guardians tho? Meh.
Actually, the terms “Brave” “Chief” and “Seminole”, in particular, are hardly derogatory, but rather respectful.
The only people offended by this kinda stuff are these “woke” people who are just looking for something to be upset about.
As we having the Notre Dame fighting Irish and Minnesota Vikings still hanging around lmao.
What about the fighting Irish? Any issues there ?
Are you offended by the Irish and the Vikings?
Actually, it has more to do with the sports organization willingness to reach out to local indigenous communities and ask them how they feel. That’s why Spokane Indians will never change because the Tribe and the team have a strong partnership and use the team for cultural awareness instead of exploitation like Chief Wahoo or the Tomahawk Chop which are western civilization bastardizing Indigenous culture
I would be proud if a team name was named after my race.
Neither of those is pejorative and both are terms with which people identify. Bad example.
there is nothing pejorative about indians or braves, either, or chiefs
Nuanced, my comment was in response to Irish and Viking.
+ Celtics
Why aren’t all the steel workers protesting in Pittsburgh? The Vatican should be condemning that LA baseball team for mocking religion! The beer workers should boycott Milwaukee games! New York refuses to let the Civil War victory go, and upsets the South!
@newyorksoxfan The team Indians was named in honor of an actual Indian who was a respected member of their team. Do some research snowflake, wasn’t derogatory then or now. You sjw kids crack me up. Nobody cares about your feelings. And Boomers, hilarious comrade. Funny to see these kids on the news not even able to define what a boomer is lol.
just as a funny as watching a boomer post on facebook i guess. L O L silly sithdude star wars is a neat concept huh?
Guys, the Indians name is different than braves or chiefs because India is on the Asian continent and has absolutely nothing (save an old white dude’s mistake) with native Americans!
Get over it!
Nuanced:
India is on the Asian continent and has nothing to do with native Americans.
Come on man…
I have one but not a cannot the WHITE Sox
The actual people? Do we mean indigenous peoples? Like the Mavajp woman Amanda Blackhorse who started the Not Your Mascot movement or that all major Native American organizations supported the changes. If you want an example of the correct way to do it look at the Spokane Indians… they have a strong relationship with the local Native community and as a result the mascot is used as a tool to tie the non-native community and local Native community together. Not chief wahoo logo but a logo that utilize indigenous language
We have team names named after weather patterns and random animals who don’t understand sports. Human beings understand sports, and therefore naming teams after specific groups of human beings is just plain weird.
Lets not forget the Indians name waa chosen via a newspaper poll, has nothing behind it, no legacy, nothing. The Boston Braves were popular team and this merely copied it and took it to the next level. The entire original naming process was messed up to begin with.
Amanda’s fellow Native American’s don’t agree with her.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
Navajo* woman Amanda Blackhorse
Not all human beings understand sports, just look at A’sFaninUK, for example
I can understand Redskins being offensive but Indians? Don’t think so
Agree. Well I’m off to my local Guardian casino, enjoy your day!
I’ll join ya!
i think grown adults who immerse their personalities to only identify with a fictional universe and then comment about sports teams changing their name while calling themselves “sithdude” is just so dang badass! like guardians aint got nothing on SITHDUDE !!
India is in Asia…
Guardians of the galaxy merch incoming
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You dont think fellow billion dollar corporations dont do crossovers? Where have you been?
We get it UK, you’re woke..
We get it, dotnet, you’re triggered. Turn off the computer, go to your safe space, and watch more Tucker Carlson while you nod your head at everything he says
We get it, idiotic replies to rational thoughts.
You’re an emotionally unstable mentally ill clown who lacks the ability to think for himself. No explanation is necessary.
Safe spaces are for your ilk, replies, not a conservative thing. Question: do you respond in any way other than by gaslighting?
Just like your great leader that hid in his basement from the scary rioters?
Yeah?
Let me know when you find an instance throughout all of history where someone kneeling is considered anything but showing the highest respect…
Find a real reason to be offended snowflake, but it’s so nice to know you couldn’t care less about marginalized groups…very patriotic of you.
Good comeback Cosmo. “No I’m not. You are.”
I’m a veteran and myself and my entire unit (consisting of whites blacks asians and latinos) find it offensive. So your entire argument is lost. Ignorant sjw…
Ballparks everywhere do stuff like Star Wars night and Superhero night. I’m pretty sure a multi billion $ national sports company can figure out how to license properties
Nothing flies over his head.
Good one!
Said no one
Gross.
wow.
That’s the best they could do?
I was sure it was gonna be the Cleveland Panderers.
So who are they guarding?
The realm of mediocrity.
Lmao
If you are more offended at this than Indians, you are part of the problem.
Then I’m proudly part of the problem. Go Indians!
How self-righteous.
The longest World Series draught
At first, I thought it said Pretenders. I had to take a double look your post.
That would be a good name for the Akron team, but that city was gone 40 years ago.
Trade Fiasco, nicely done.
I almost spit out my mocha when I glanced at that saying “Cleveland Panhandlers” I was thinking, wow, no need to bring their cripplingly depressed economy into it…
The GALAXY!!
Is Curtis Sliwa a part owner in Cleveland? Red berets instead of a cap?
I think Spiders would have been better. They will need to be creative with the logo and merchandise for Guardians
I agree. Change colors to black, silver and red. Logo could be some kind of ball in a web.
I think they wanted to avoid any major changes. Wanted to keep as much from their current team looks and appeals as they could it seems
Logo and colors already out
Spiders would have been great! Better logo, better mascot.
It will be interesting to see what the logo will be
not Commadores, but I like it
Commadores? And have Lionel Ritchie sing the National Anthem?
hey, it sounds good, they are near the lake, and have affiliates with simmilar names. perfect fit.
Would they still take a knee?
Cleveland Earth Wind and Fire
Commodore would be offensive to the woke military.
“Woke millitary”
Fox News NPC spotted
“NPC”
Virgin detected.
What can I say, NPC is a really good term. Repubs are the masters of projection so when they come up with an insult, it always describes them more than the person they’re insulting.
Google the word irony. The lack of self awareness amongst your ilk is just astounding.
thanks for proving their point, you dang internet hero!
Same goes for you, Mr. holier-than-thou, sitting in his ivory tower judging everyone.
They would have no ragrets with that name.
What Galaxy brains came up with this idea?
Worst name ever. They can change it to the dog pile, but there still the Indians
I challenge you to a duel
They’re**
I concur, the fans will decide the reality. No one I know in the NYC area calls the JFK and Mario Cuomo bridges by their new names; most people still refer to the Triboro and Tappan Zee bridges.
cleveland baseball fan here looking for new team to root for
bye.
Come to the Angels. We need all the fans we can get.
Be a Braves fan. While you can…
If you are more offended at this than the Indians, you are part of the problem.
Redundant much?
Wokey wokerton finally woke up to spread his woke opinions.
pretty sure that’s Wokey McWokerton. Wokey Wokerton has chops instead of sideburns.
“The team selected “Guardians” from a list of as many as 1100 initial possibilities”.. I can’t imagine the others 1099. Wakala”
Lol… Maybe the other options were simple words like “team”. You can just open a dictionary and point to a word and it may have been better
Man I definitely would of went with spiders over this…seems like they could have done better.
It couldn’t be the spiders. People with arachnophobia wouldn’t attend any games
I don’t get why any Cleveland fan would want their franchise to take up the name of the one with the most losing team in MLB history…one that got there with a massive player selloff during the wild west early days of baseball. Perhaps it is fading into history, but for a long time Cleveland Spiders was associated strongly with not just losing but tremendous failure.
That’s interesting, I didn’t realize that
lol terrible. Cleveland Baseball Team would be better.
no, it wouldnt. guardians of traffic statues are dope LOTR-esque and i think, as a cle fan, its pretty rad. “d-backs” sounds like “d-bags” and youre saying guardians is that bad? lol ok. thanks 4 playin
Spiders would have been much better IMO.
Should of went back to the Spiders
I wanted the Spiders too. What a joke.
I guess they were overcome by an attack of arachnophobia.
Yep
I guess they did not go with the Spiders because they were afraid someone would have been offended. These days you only need one person it seems like.
Yeah… that what it feels like
They offended a bunch of republicans lolol
Cey Hey made a new username “repliestoidiots” to avoid getting his main account banned lmao.
Same woke attitude Cey Hey displays. 0 comments from cey hey in thread.
No, I was DumbCommentResponder before that account got banned for some reason.
Nice try tho
Probably because you’re a pathetic troll who lacks cognitive dissonance.
HAHAAA best comment! #TooAccurate
thanks for your service investigative reporter. man you sound like a fun person to hang around 🙂
Sounds like you’re offended
So what happens with the Braves, Chiefs, Aztecs, Cherokees, Apaches, Rainbow Warriors, and any other Native American team name that at least person gets offended by? Are we to understand that those all are going to eventually change as well?
God I hope not.
If changing the Braves means getting rid of that lame, obnoxious “chop chant,” I support it completely.
Pretty easy to say as a white guy.
What color guy are you?
I am a white guy who is decent to say that coming from a member of a privileged, I am have zero perspective on the thoughts and feelings of oppressed people. So when a change is made to benefit people of other races that has absolutely no impact on my life, I applaud it. Sure the Guardians is a pretty whack name, but, for eff sakes, Indians? That is pretty flagrantly racist.
lol you’re a cartoon, keep drinking the commie koolaid, wow! Privileged, ya that’s a good one. I follow the law and worked my butt off to be successful, where’s this so called privileged? I want it! Should I apologize to the woman I wake up to each morning that I’m white and she’s not because the color of my skin is what counts over character? We are all Americans no matter the color of our skin. Separating races is in itself racists. You’re privileged comm$not is racist and divisive, you and your type are the problem.
*comment
hell yea you really got em with adding that asterisk so we knew you meant “comment”. friggin SITHDUDE dropping all the knowledge and witty slights on everybody! dude does the sith rule the chatroom too?!? you are on FIRE big boy! isnt star wars just like.. so cool?!?!?????
when your handle is “sithdude” and you call someone a cartoon in a derogatory sense, you lose one half of your saber. chat rules, bro.
Well said. Us white guys seem to be easily offended by losing the racist terms we came up with. Regardless of whether Indigenous community was okay with Indians or not this was the correct move. Braves and Chiefs should be next and should have already happened. It’s still the same team with a different name.
Except that it has been indigenous peoples for decades who have protested outside Cleveland games ever opening home opener and it was a Navajo woman who started the Not Your Mascot movement. It is indigenous people not woke white people who called for this change. It was the National Congress of American Indians and other such orgs. It’s completely ignorant to claim it was just a bunch of white people. There are other native mascots and native communities that support such mascots when it done correctly. I.e Spokane Indians in Washington actually have a deal with the local Native community and do things in a culturally spot way. There is a way to do this correctly and Chief Wahoo or the Tomahawk Chop are not the correct way.
The Braves have the blessing of the Cherokee tribes in Georgia. They won’t be changing their name.
God help us. Please, please stay in Canada. You seem like a nightmare of a human being.
Chiefs imagery may be in jeopardy, but not the name. Chiefs are named after “Chief” H. Roe Bartle, not after an “Indian chief”.
Does any of this actually atone for the genocide? Yeah, let’s hear it for The Empty Symbolic Gesture!!
It’s not racist if there is no intent to inflammatory. Just because someone takes a term as racist does not make it so. I mean the word queen is not inflammatory when referring to a female monarch, but it can be when referring to a gay man. Words are not inherently evil, they only have the power that the listener gives them.
We let a portion live. Not a genocide. In fact. A gesture kinder than they showed their fellow warring tribes. And throwing that G word around, the Moriori, Selk’nam, Zhungarians and others have a lesson or two you’ve yet to awaken to
Agreed. Racism is a willful pursuit. Not a passive, inherent, systematic, or otherwise neutrally perpetuated state.
Atone for genocide? Really? Many countries came to North America and conquered it. Just like many societies throughout history have done. Look at Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. it’s a sports team here that was named in honor of a respected member of the team lighten up.
The color of ones skin…the ethnic heritage of a person….or ones sexuality. Does it matter?? It matters only to the ignorant.
Give me a break. The same thing has happened over the course of the history of this planet. You don’t think the Native Americans did the same thing when they took over land? I assure you, someone was here before they were too. Plus, the things the Native Americans did to each others’ tribes were not pretty, so try not to act so indignant and read a little more. When the aliens come down and wipe us all out, it will suck, but it will be another example of the conquerors making the rules, which is how it should be.
when a sithdude tells someone else to “lighten up” in the chat room…. cant script this stuff!!! #AwaitingSithsNextComment – love this guy’s inability to understand everything is constantly changing and a team name for a baseball club in cleveland really isnt the problem and absolute doesnt matter in the least. guess CLE’s just lucky they didnt go the star wars route huh?!? LMFAO #SithLIfe #SithFever #SithLifeForever
I certainly hope so.
Of course they will. It may take some time, but eventually they will all change. This country has allowed itself to respond to everyone becoming so damn sensitive.
I wonder what Milton William Cooper would say.
Next, PETA will call for a boycott of the Trash Pandas on behalf of all the raccoons who don’t have a voice.
Cant give a voice to something that cant talk, but go off – we all know who you voted for….
Woke woke, woke woke woke woke. Wokest wokier that ever woked a woke.
cmon man, totally uncalled for
Dotnet
Are you 12? Get over your childish tantrum or go to your room , you are in time out.
Really, the things that some people get worked up over. It’s an effin’ baseball team! I guess I should be offended because Mr. Met is slightly cross eyed and is missing two fingers on each hand.
You’re one to talk, hypocritical troll.
you are hanging out in a baseball chatroom with a political handle. cant imagine all the cool things you do and cool friends you have and the such solid infrastructure in your life that you get your lil kicks from being a lil spicy conservative letting his hair down tellin em what he thinks SHOW US THE EMAILS giving it to the woke snowflake libs on a mlb trading site. yeah man, you are DOING. IT. RIGHT. sic handle, like sic witty. almost like its…. a ‘woke’ handle….libs rite bro?
You’re one to talk. Look at all the comments you’ve made here.
Such a sad, pathetic existence you must lead. I almost feel sorry for you, but your ignorance overwhelms any feelings of remorse I may have had.
You aren’t funny either, as you like your own posts, loser.
Just stop.
The redskins name was derogatory and racist and the Indians name was ignorant.
They are not Indians, they are native Americans. They were only called Indians because the first Europeans here though they landed in India.
The Aztecs seem to honor the history while the Indians and redskins did not
I’m certain I’ve been to an Indian Reservation. My wife is Cherokee Indian. The word Indian is not offensive.
Prov356, yes. Yes it is, to many. It is fine that it is not offensive to your wife.
Subjective dilemma it would seem…if one Native American is offended by the word but another is not…who has the final say on whether the word should be removed or not?
Should it not be the masses (not just a small group) in THEIR particular nations/tribes (not anyone outside of being Native Anerican) have the final (vote) say on the matter to make it GENUINELY fair?
The word Indian is quite common in Native communities…. Based on the context of its use, the word Indian is not offensive…. The Cleveland Indians team name is blatantly ignorant when you consider the context
Most Native Americans refer to themselves as Indians or Native American Indians.
But go off with your woke white savior complex.
But go off with your virtue signalling to your fellow right wingers.
This is correct.
Most Native Americans are probably more upset about the genocide against them that 90% of the country either doesn’t know about or justifies
really love how Carl continuously speaks for “most native americans” in the mlb trade rumors chat room. glad he was elected and appointed so we can all trust his wisdom when he says “just look it up”. thanks for being here Carl. your service is so honorable.
Great point Peter.
Florida State has a Seminole museum and learning center. Cleveland had an outrageous Chief Wahoo.
There are multiple ways to go about this. Cleveland did it the wrong way for too long, now needs to change.
If the name Indians is so derogatory and racist why do Indian Casinos, call themselves Indian casinos? I have never seen an Indian casino that calls itself a Native American casino.
They are next, correct. It’s time to stop naming pro sports teams after races of people.
Woke woke wokey wokey wokey woke.
you already said this, champ. too many RC colas for dotnet time for a lil nap tiger.
Does this mean the Cleveland Europeans was never on the table?
The Braves aren’t a race of people. Braves refers to the warrior class of a race of people. Big difference.
How long before Yankees is deemed offensive after it was used as a soldier profiler for the oppressive and colonial-enforcing government especially after ww2? And it’s association with the wealth that free market capitalism, specifically in NY, ie, WALL STREET! Yeah. Yankees is white and oppressive and needs to go too…
Plus Yankees is a reference to people who perform a sex act, gotta cancel that.
So what if they do?
Libtards control this country. It’s obvious.
Terrible. I feel sorry for Indian fans
You mean Guardians fans.
No.
If you are more offended at this than the racist Indians, you are part of the problem.
Woke wokey wokey woke woke bangers and mash woke woke. Bad teeth woke.
No, the problem is the establishment, woke, leftist cult that’s determined to destroy all culture and divide all Americans.
Cult? You want to talk about a cult? Who is the one that runs around in their pick up trucks with Trump 2020 flags in the middle of July?
The establishment is both right and left. You’re being played
Raff
Go look up which states have the lowest per capita GDP . You will see alot of Blue states. Ooops need the definition of GDP?
Triggered leftists such as yourself are much more cult like than ANY other group around.
Triggered leftists/commies/socialists. Can you guess which group tossed around those very same or similar names 90-100 years ago?
You do realize that your group is the one most like the National Socialist Party?
I love this lame argument from lefists. Even if red states receive more in federal welfare, it’s not going to Republicans. Those on public assistance, as well as long-term unemployment, are overwhelmingly Democrats.
The 10 states in the best fiscal condition are almost all red states. The 10 states with the worst numbers in the red are almost all blue states.
But again, keep spreading your bs propaganda.
You do realize one of the founders was a wealthy right wing industrialist and they put socialists in the name to try and gain broader appeal with the workers and unemployed WWI soldiers. . It was not overly successful as the night before AH became Chancellor – 100,000 workers marched in protest. Anything else you need clarification on?
@Raff – was that sentence a lil tough for you? lol damn. dont u dare touch my truck pard
@libs – dudes who come to sports chat room sites and think they’re changing the world by politically arguing with strangers on the internet about a sports team that changed their name. at least you’ve got self awareness going for you huh….. youve gotta be the coolest guy at VBS
Again, liking your own comments. How sad.
And you’re doing the EXACT same thing you berate him over. How do you not see how much of a hypocrite you are?
MarcoRock68 – Uhhhhh.
States with lowest GDP per capita in 2018 (newest data I could find)
Mississippi
Idaho
West Virginia
Arkansas
South Carolina
Alabama
Arizona
Maine
Kentucky
Montana
Florida
In ALL OF THESE STATES republicans controlled the upper statehouse, the lower statehouse in all but Maine, and the Governors Mansion in all but Montana, where the GQP had a veto-proof majority in the state legislature.
Now, the states with the most:
Washington DC
Massachusetts
New York
Connecticut
Alaska
Delaware
North Dakota
Wyoming
California
New Jersey
Washington
Just 3 of these 11 states (ok DC is not yet a state), Alaska, North Dakota, and Wyoming, voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 (none flipped). ND, WY, and MA (where the dem legislature could override the centrist governor’s veto) had republican governors, and AK had an independent governor, NY, CT AK, ND, and WY had GQP majorities in the upper house and ND and WY in the lower house. DC, MA, DE, CA, NJ and WA (a majority) where totally under Dem control, and only WY and ND where under Publican control.
This is google knowledge: Democratic states have better economies.
So weird
Watch them get sponsored by Guardian Insurance. What a ridiculous name!
I was hoping they would get sponsored by Ing financial and be the Cleveland Ing
Progressive is the name of the field and h.q. outside of Cleveland but nice try in this discussion.
guardians of traffic is actually pretty dang LOTR-esque and rad. ppl not from cle wont get that and thats ok. theres still a pro team called the “d-bags” i mean “d-backs” so lets keep things in perspective.
Should have kept Indians.
Definitely not.
Hell to the no, should have changed this back in the 1960s.
I think it would have been better to change the name to that of a specific tribe native to Ohio. Kind of like the San Diego State Aztecs.
The Aztecs were murderers and rapists and took other tribes as slaves. Kind of like the Euros coming to America but with less clothing.
Garbage name lmfao
1100 options. And we pick guardians. So silly. Me being irish, should I start protesting Norte dame? People need to get off their high horse and relax. I might give you the redskins as bad. Everything else just relax. Next the braces will have to change it. And the chiefs. People just relax. Please.
Beaves*
Darn phone haha braves. I don’t want to get yelled at by the grammar police
You do realize Indian is an offensive term for Native Americans?
Yet they were not the ones begging for a name change
Native Americans started the Not Your Mascot movement. It was Navajo woman
I always assumed it was the ones from India.
Do you know tigers is offensive to the animal called tigers. I heard they are offended by being associated with the city of Detroit. so they should change they name too..
You do realize that a lot of Native Americans call themselves Indians?
No it isn’t.
No it’s not.
What, 8% of Native’s? That’s the whole point, appeasing the asses, not the masses.
You do realize the name “indian” had nothing to do with native Americans?
You realize you are completely ignorant if you believe that? Chief Waho has nothing to do with Native Americans? The federal government has a bureau of INDIAN affairs that solely deals with indigenous sovereignty. The largest Native Org in the country is called the National Congress of American Indians
Stop with the facts already. They get in the way of a good agenda.
“The largest Native Org in the country is called the National Congress of American Indians”
So we’ve established that the word Indian isn’t offensive to Native Americans. Good to know.
I’ve been saying this for years. It’s ok to think of us Irish as a bunch of leprechaun looking brawlers? It’s just a matter of being able to caricature some and not others. Just wish there were a rule book of some sort… lol
AS I was writing my comment above I was thinking something along the same lines.
If all of these names are offense, then why is no one talking about the Boston Celtics. Shouldn’t woke people be offended on how that portrays the Irish?
Wait, is Celtics offensive? I’m seriously asking. If they have an offensive mascot that should go, but Celts were badasses and the name is accurate. “Indians” does accurately portray the group they represent
Did you know that you yourself are on your high horse by writing this?
We changed the Expos to the Nationals and you cared way less. Way?
Woke woke opinion. Wokest of all the wokey.
Dotnet22 –
I give up. You’re just an idiot. Find another word to use and don’t post it 50 times. Brain dead
because we all agree that the French should not be honored in any way, shape, or form.
The teamed moved from Montreal to DC lmao. Teams routinely change names to avoid fighting over naming rights.
Browns are a prime example. Team moved to Baltimore changed to Ravens as the city wouldn’t relinquish the Browns name.
Titans were the Houston Oilers and Houston went with Texans to avoid reclaiming the oiler name from the titans franchise….which is why titans wear oiler jerseys during throwback uni games.
A lot of teams have changed names when they move to avoid fighting over a name.
Some keep them some don’t. Depends on the situation.
Expos changing to Nationals wasn’t some “woke” aha moment.
I thought Nationals was a dumb name but now I don’t care. Guardians will end up the same way in a few years
All due respect, “People just relax” is how I feel about the name change. It’s really not that big a deal
I don’t. Because that’s not accurate
I think I triggered somebody
I actually think Braves should be changed but they have great options. Call them the “Brave” and make the mascot an American soldier. Or the “Hammers” after Hank Aaron and keep some variation of the Tomahawk chop
Why would you change the Braves name if the Cherokee tribs in Georgia like it? That doesn’t make sense. And The Brave would be terrible. It sounds like a bad Disney movie.
Because some idiots get offended over some of the littlest and stupidest things.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahajahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha
People need to stop getting butthurt about the stupidest things it’s a team name relax
Best comment in the thread.
Old people HATE change. HATE it. It’s funny watching them react to protecting a racist name over changing society for the better. They would rather continue same ol same ol.
What part of our society is better for this? What part of anything else in the cancel culture/woke culture that is going on makes society better? Please explain in elaborate detail. I’m sure you have plenty of free time to do so, judging from the amount of time you spend on here putting other people down for their “racist” or “old-time” beliefs.
KLS1313 what about this makes society worse? I don’t mean that as a jab, but keep it in perspective. Nothing has been canceled, just changed. In a few years it will be no big deal
Woke woke better than you woke woke no friends woke woke.
You’re crying so hard in every thread. What a baby
Cey Hey made a new username “repliestoidiots” to avoid getting his main account banned lmao.
Same woke attitude Cey Hey displays. 0 comments from cey hey in thread.
Dotnet22 –
4th time you’ve used almost the exact same comment. Well at least you know 6 words. That much we know. Also guessing you’re like the most popular kid in 10th grade.
So stereotyping “Old People” is okay thought?
It’s spelled THOT
Maybe you’d be more happy if we called them the limes, wallies or wankers
I could say that young people hate things staying the same, and want to change everything. That would be equally erroneous.
Dude, you must hate yourself so much to constantly have to say this type of nonsense.
Typical from your kind, always trying to bring others down to your level of unhappiness.
@libs – totally sic handle bro. you’re like owning all the snowflakes on the mlb trade rumors chat board on a friday afternoon in the USA. what a soldier. you are the definition of a cool guy 🙂 your wit is just like damn bro, your wit is lit its WOKE tbh #BigTrucksDriveMeNuts
Such an easily triggered lil fella aren’t you?
Maybe stay away from the internet and any place where someone might have a different opinion. Those are scary!
You mean getting butthurt by a name change?
Not a great name, but at least it’s not racist so that’s what matters
Tigers offends me and my cousin Fred
We need to change their name. We can’t have you offended.
It offends me and my breakfast friend Tony
Who’s named the “My Cousin Fred’s”???
Racist, really?
Explain to us how the name “Cleveland Indians” is anything remotely approaching racism.
Denigrating an entire race of people by making them a mascot is bad, but making an especially racist cartoon the official team logo was the worst.
If you want to be racist, go back to Europe at least, plenty of them around here and its where YOU came from anyway!
Denigrating an entire race?? What lol? DO you even know where the name comes from? It was attributed to them in honor of one of their players who was a Native American.
Not only are you ignorant of the history of the team and the name, you have literally no idea what the word “racism” means.
Woke woke woke echo chamber woke woke woke. Woke wokey woke close minded woke woke.
A’sFan so glad we ran the rivers red with you redcoats once already. And lol, yeah, usually people invest millions if not billions into a product and name which, according to you, are nothing but a memory of ghost since fallen to genocide just so they can enjoy a chuckle at the downfall of their culture become a cautionary tale. Or maybe, they do all that in a show of respect, reverence, dare I say, even, in honor of those people…
Dotnet22 –
At least your comments are consistent in your stupidity. 3rd time I’ve seen you post this exact same thing? You are SO COOL
I remember seeing that the first Native American in the MLB was Jacoby Ellsbury. Is that not accurate?
And here you are repeating the same thing to him over and over. We call that ‘irony’
what isnt ironic is your handle, because youre in this chat dropping so much knowledge and heat its like you know how cool you are. just watching you melt these lib woke snowflakes is so dope. like, it makes me think maybe this is one of your preferred forms of human interaction – being political on a free chat site dedicated to rumors of MLB players being traded. hell yea, you are in the right place! #ThanksForYourService #TheLibLicker
You try way too hard and still aren’t even the least bit humorous. Keep liking your own comment tho, troll.
Don’t like the new name one bit. It has no connection to the city or to the history of the team. Really bad IMO.
I guess you didn’t read the article or you know nothing about Cleveland, but the Guardians of traffic on the Hope Bridge leads right to the stadium. photos.clevescene.com/10-things-you-should-know-ab…
You clearly aren’t from or haven’t been to Cleveland. The city has several enormous statues attached to a bridge called the Guardians of Traffic. (Search G**gle for “Cleveland Guardians statues.”)
On its own, the name isn’t a showstopper, but coupled with the history of the city and the enormous statues that will greet you when entering the city, it’s pretty cool.
Change is hard for humans to deal with, I know, but remember, the world is always changing.
That part of the story wasn’t up yet when I commented. Still don’t like the name. Just my opinion.
Bingo. It fits Cleveland whereas Indians didn’t and is Very generic.. As an Arizona Cardinals fan I would love to see them change the name to something that actually fits Arizona. Too many people are busy looking for a reason to be offended instead of seeing the sense behind it.
Maybe they should be called the Cleveland Statues. That sounds kind of appropriate.
Sounds better than the Guardians
no, it doesnt.
The indians had ZERO connection to city or history of the team, it was literally a newspaper poll and people liked the sound of the boston braves. Learn your history before making pointless comments like this.
@AsfaninUK, wrong. They were initially called the Indians in newspapers because of Nap Lajoie (not sure if spelled right). Perhaps you should take a history lesson or two. Maybe ten.
actually, that was the earlier “Naps” moniker.
So a local poll has zero local connection? What a stupid comment.
what a horrible name lol. I see Indians as a tribute to our native americans. I’m sick of wokeness.
Yes, Chief Wahoo is a very well crafted, well aged, tribute to stereotypes FML. Racist or not it’s a name from a different time whose time has ended
They could just eliminate chief wahoo.
Or the name of a racial group of human beings – oh and they did! LETS MOVE ON
They could have just changed the logo…
So change the mascot. Don’t overcorrect. Indians isn’t offensive to 99% of randomly selected people, and the other 1% is offended by everything.
Who cares how you see it. No one cares about your feelings Snowflake
wish they would just read your name about it
Thank you
This is what happens when people are offended by everything.
Gross. There are things that are borderline, and there are things that are in your face racist. The Indians name was the latter.
Nobody seemed to care about the name until the woke era. Why is that?
it’s called progress.
LIES – it has been argued it needs to change for DECADES – you just forgot about the history of time before social media.
stop spitting.
*FIXED* This is what happens when elitist white people are offended by everything.
Oh I think we are short on anything “elite” in this realm friendo
mjbuchanan80 –
You really think it’s the white people who are offended by anything? Way off base, man. Way off base. Watch the news and get a clue.
They could have changed the name to the Cleveland Caucasians and not one person would have had an issue with it
lol i wouldve, and i am white. its a sports team name that really has absolutely zero impact on how you live your life. people upset by changing it shows wtf they really care about.
if they have a voice maybe lets not make the mascot a human and blur the lines. seems p easy. this is all so stupid and trivial ITS A PRO SPORTS TEAM NAME WHO GIVES AF
You seem offended the most.
Pot, meet kettle. How many comments have you made on this article you triggered little crybaby?
nice one, @ libs! look at you, subliminally eating your own insult while attempting to make one. damn boi you are THE WOKEST – love your ironic unawareness, its my fave character on this prof sports trade rumors website non-politcal chat room 🙂 cant wait for your next one! #TheLibLicker
You write paragraphs but say absolutely nothing. Repeating the same thing over and over. Pathetic.
Oh, the irony
So we now know the name of Nashville’s MLB team.
So basically they replaced ‘In’ with ‘Guar’
I honestly think that’s a huge factor for the decision. If you watch the video they released, “Guardians” uses the same color and font. It seems intentional that they want the merchandise to transition well.
Not to mention it saves on replacing some neon lighting….hey, gotta watch every penny.
Lol wow that’s a rough name
Lame!
Cleveland Steamers would have been far more appropriate. Or, the Cleveland Woke.
Can’t use “Steamers”….the Congress for Justice for Clams would be offended….
Snowflake
Wow….and holding true to the nickname of “The Mistake by the Lake’ as Cleveland screws up again.
I thought for sure my entry of the Cleveland Cancel Cultures “CCC” for short was going to win for sure.
You sound like you’d prefer Kleveland Kancel Kultures
Did they even bother hiring a marketing firm to come up with this? Seriously, what a lackluster choice. Guardians… makes me think of mall security… so bad
It’s the financial aspect of turning “Indians” into “Guardians” on the front of the uniforms. Dolan can probably save eleven cents instead of changing it to something completely new. Awful choice.
If it were me and I chose to succumb to political correctness, I would have chosen the Cleveland Comets.
Indians is not offensive,
Cleveland Guardians? Will the mascot be a fat stepdad in a wifebeater tee? What a stupid name.
Another Marvel empire promo name…..wait for it…an new super hero franchise, co-branded with THE GUARDIANS (of the Midwest….Galaxy was taken)
Pittsburgh’s AAA team in Indianapolis are/were the Indians last I knew.
Wonder how long it takes until people start going for that to change.
What a great way to honor Trump. Name the team after his Space Force.
They named the team the Guardians, not the Grifters
Okay Cey Hey, I mean repliestoidiots…
I don’t know who Cey Hey is, moron…
I mean “MyWhiteSoxAreDirty”
Cornholio, This comment wins the thread. Kudos.
Changing the name was well overdue.
But of ALL the possible choices, they went with this, incredibly bland name?
What was wrong with Spiders?
Overdue? Why? What’s racist about the team name “Indians”? Do you know what racism is?
Dude whether you feel it’s racist or not isn’t the point. Naming a team after a group of people of which no one related to the team is a part of is way out of date. Would you name a team the Nashville Black Dudes? Nope. Not because it’s necessarily racist but it’s in poor taste.
“The name “Indians” originated from a request by club owner Charles Somers to baseball writers to choose a new name to replace “Cleveland Naps” following the departure of Nap Lajoie after the 1914 season. It was a revival of the nickname that fans gave to the Cleveland Spiders while Louis Sockalexis, a Native American, was playing for the team.”
It was literally named that to honor a Native American Indian who played for the team: “The name referenced the nickname “Indians” that was applied to the Cleveland Spiders baseball club during the time when Louis Sockalexis, a Native American, played in Cleveland (1897–99).”
Not only are you wrong, you’re pushing your white savior complex on to actual Native Americans who, by polling data, claim the Indians, Chiefs, Redskins, and Braves as their own favorite teams.
He was a Native American player, not an Indian player, because he wasn’t from India.
Typical Cardinals fan.
Why don’t you whitesplain that the majority of Native Americans who refer to THEMSELVES as Native American Indians.
Why don’t you tell that to “The National Congress of American Indians (NCAI) is an American Indian and Alaska Native rights organization.”
They LOVE being re-educated by white people.
But, this being a baseball site, let’s talk about the Negro Leagues.
What about names like the Vikings?
Omg do you not see the irony here? How is that possible?
You’re on the side that’s taken it upon them selves as woke white people to speak on behalf of actual Native Americans who largely aren’t offended by these team names. But I’m sure you and your white savior complex know what’s best for them.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
what is “not bland” about “Spiders”?
They should gone with CUN# RUNNERS. My personal fave.
There is absolutely nothing racist about the name “Indians”. In fact, the Cleveland Indians were the favorite baseball team of many actual Native Americans by polling data. These woke psychos fighting imaginary racism are no different than Don Quixote fighting windmills. Sad day.
People who obsess about windmills are often mentally ill, this is true.
Actually the sad part is you being so worked up over something so stupid. If you truly believe it’s not a big deal then act like it.
I believe it is a big deal. It’s stupid and a big deal.
Well then I am very sorry that your beloved Indians are now the Guardians. I hope you can start the healing process and eventually recover.
Ok thanks. You support something that is nothing more than an asinine manifestation of your white savior complex, and which 9/10 Native Americans do not agree with.. GFY.
There is NOTHING more condescending, patriarchal, and plantation than woke white people.
What is a “white savior complex?” I like learning all these new terms that you are so worked up about lol.
So you’re offended?
It’s when, despite the fact that actual Native Americans aren’t offended by the name “Indians”, you take it upon yourself to speak on their behalf, believing that they SHOULD be offended by the name because you know better than they do.
Check Ryan Long’s comedy skit on that. It’s epic.
Some Native Americans protested the name:
ideastream.org/news/native-americans-protest-ahead…
Less than 1 in 10 were offended by the name “Redskins”. I have to image even less would be offended by the name “Indians”.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
They’re probably more offended by the genocide against them that people still refuse to acknowledge/justify
Surprised at the timing of the announcement. Figured they’d at least have waited until this season finished.
The Cleveland Silly Nannys would’ve been better
Anything better than the Gaurdians
Were they even trying? I hope this doesn’t mean the WFT will be equally pathetic and go with “Defenders” as their new nickname.
How about the Washington Gridlocks? The Insurrectionists?
The Washington Frauds, but the current administration has the trademark on that 😉
Good on them for the change. New name not bad…could be better…but not the worst!
Don’t want to get in to the name change debate but I will say this.
Guardians is an absolute trash name. Doesn’t fit at all
Next up: White Sox for having a racial term in the name
Black Sox would definitely be about a thousand times cooler.
Agreed tho
Hopefully, another name change follows public disappointment. I remember when Houston announced its expansion team name for its soccer club: 1836. In a matter of days, a name change was announced because the date, year Texas won its independence, supposedly offended Hispanics. Now, it’s ridiculously named Dynamo. Point being, enough complaints and name could change again.
Am I the only one who wanted them to be the Cleveland Rocks so that I could sing the Drew Carey Show theme song every time I say it?
Yes.
Jose Ramirez and Co. join Space Force.
Lmao probably not even actual native Americans who want it changed, it’s the young grad school politicians who just want money and power. Keep politics out of this please
Baseball does NOT need any more political stances, it’s everyone’s game
What about these actual Native Americans who wanted it changed?
ideastream.org/news/native-americans-protest-ahead…
Minority rules, eh?
So only white people matter to you then, since only the majority should make decisions, right?
Who want money and power? By changing a baseball team name? Lol.
Also, I like how you mention politics but whine about everyone else being political lol.
I was hoping for Roadies… ties to the music reputation of the city and they could play all of their games on the road so no one has to go to Cleveland.
Better yet the Groupies. They could wear those sexy shorts the Chi Sox wore lol
It’s a shame it has come to this but understanding the over sensitized nature of our society these days, we all knew a change was coming. Wouldn’t surprise me that the history of the Indians get wiped out as well. But I gotta tell you, the Guardians? That’s just horrible. I was thinking along the lines of the Rockers or something to do with the Rock-n-Roill Hall of fame.
The Rockies weren’t going to let Cleveland call themselves the Rockers or the Rocks
There are already the Rockies. Don’t think the league would allow anything Rock-whatever due to marketing and licensing
Not even Rock Lobsters? Man, MLB runs a pretty tight ship.
Going by some of the comments, should have called them the Cleveland Snowflakes.
Right? People are so offended at this name change
I have no axe to grind on the culture war aspect of renaming, but that there is a friggen lame choice
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
As usual there’s a rush of white people to comment about how not offended they are by the name Indians.
Anyway Guardians is a cool name.
LEAVE THE COUNTRY IF YOU DON”T LIKE IT YOU FREE LOADER
and I am offended you called me white it is caucasian you idiot
What about the indigenous people that the name is offended by? What country should they leave to?
Anywhere but here
I’m always amused by comments like this. Americans who say their freedoms make them so great and yet tell people to leave the country when they use their freedom of speech.
If you don’t like that Cleveland is changing its name, maybe you’re the one should leave?
Smh boomers
Wah Wah Wah my racist heritage is being taken away from me! Whoever will I hate next!
I hate comments like this.
Please point to one heritage ever that was not racist.
Exactly. People act as if Americans were the only ones to ever take over a territory and subjugate or exterminate its people. But they weren’t. Native Americans were doing that exact same thing to other tribes for centuries before the Europeans ever arrived.
Yeah, that TOTALLY makes it ok
You’ll be changing your online name now, right?
How racist of you to assume the races of all the commenters. You must be one of them accepting progressives I keep hearing about.
I personally don’t understand the desire to remove minorities from cultural references and only leave white mascots like fighting Irish, Vikings, Celtics
Even team names with white origins
Browns (named after Paul Brown), Saints (predominatly white guys throughout history)
76ers (1776 reference founded by white guys)
Trail Blazers (predominatly white explorers of the United States)
And so on.
I find the Montreal Canadians name to be extremely offensive and non-inclusive.
I would probably root for them but as an American I feel excluded.
Most Native Americans were not offended by it either, as the name Indians was a proud symbol of a MLB franchise, and was not being used in a racist way at all.
Are you saying that Chief Wahoo was not a racist symbol. I mean, not even a little?
No, not even a little
Guardians is not a cool name. That is why people are commenting. If they picked an actually cool name very few people would be complaining.
CardsFan6969 –
Isn’t is a bit racist and uneducated to assume that only white people feel that way?
Is this a nod to all the families without parents, too?
The Cleveland Orphans? How about The Cleveland Bastards?
I kinda get the whole PC thing but the guardians suck.
For me it was the spiders or nothing, at least that went back to a team that once played there. I would have bought spiders merch guardians never. Long live chief wahoo.
If you are more offended at this than Indians, you are part of the problem.
What problem is that, exactly? And how is changing the name a solution?
The problem of INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM IN AMERICA, to which changing the name is a solution that should have happened in the 1960s, along with solving the civil rights movement (movements are supposed to end, not last 70 years while no one does anything to fix them). What generation was responsible for that again? Oh right, the one thats so sensitive I cant even write the word that THEY CALLED THEMSELVES on here, because we started calling them it out of disrespect. The ones who created participation awards then cried about everyone being “snowflakes”. The worst generation.
If you are in the UK, then don’t worry about the problems of America. The UK has plenty of problems of its own for you to worry about.
Which institution is the racist one? Which institution had explicitly racist policies in 2021? I’ll wait for the answer.
A’sfaninUK,
Please do us a favor and stay in the UK. Forever. We dont want/need you, plus the UK has enough stuff to worry about. Your talking about institutional problems in America? Do some research on the history of the British Empire and repent, buddy.
Insert ridiculous nationalist arguments.
Baseball fans can have an opinion, no matter where they live. Good grief.
Woke woke woke stay in the uk woke woke. No one likes you woke woke diatribe.
Murdoch luddite spotted
Dotnet22 –
Again, how old are you?
Spiders would have been great, but ok…
This is the most F–Ked up thing I ever heard.This country is gone to hell in a hand basket.If you are offended being called an Indian you need to grow some and move on.JOE BIDEN and the communist regime in charge has pushed this agenda and I hope people who go
along get what they deserve.
‘Merciless Indian Savages” – Declaration of Independence
Well now, let’s not overstate the case.
hahaha you are a gem.
Joe Biden had nothing to do with the name change. It’s pretty great Trump is gone though
@cardsfan I sure am enjoying the cost of gas doubling in price, unemployment jumping, and virus variants spreading faster than ever before…
But at least Biden doesn’t tweet mean things… He says them to your face in supreme court confirmation hearings…
…You do realize this started BEFORE Biden’s election.
And really if this is the worst thing you have ever heard I’m stunned at what a sheltered existence you’ve lived in.
Boomer moment
“Most f—ed up thing I’ve ever heard. You don’t watch the news much do you?
Pretty cool name but the uniforms and imagery will make or break it.
If you are more offended at this than Indians, you are part of the problem.
Woke woke woke saying something over and over doesn’t make it true, woke woke wokey woke.
You’re so triggered
1000-1 odds this guy graduated from high school.
Dotnet22 –
How old are you?
So 90% of native Americans are the problem? Typical racist lefty
People will undoubtedly get used to it, but it’s really not an attractive name. I haven’t got any brilliant suggestions, but Guardians just seems lame.
Dear Washington Football Team
Please do better
It’s impossible not to!
i actually quite like a lot of the names they have promoted on their site.
Cleveland Baseball Team would have been pretty sweet
It was past time for the name to change, but man is that a lame replacement. Spiders would have been way cooler. Heck, I’d be fine with something like Comets too.
Guardians is lame but the change was overdue
They were never disrespecting the Indian culture, I truly feel they were honoring it but the times we live in is what it is! People need to feel victimized so this way we can decide if our feelings are hurt and demand reparations. Saying that I think a better name would have been the Cleveland Cancel Culture. I think it really has a nice ring, it truly fits and as long as the vocal minority is happy that’s all that matters!
Sounds like something Tucker Carlson would say. You folks are dinosaurs and the World will pass you by…. thankfully.
Cant wait for boomers to go
you strive against the poor representation of a group of people, yet cant wait to see an entire generation gone? cmon man.
Some of them are ok, but on the whole, they’re a bunch of entitled luddites
Pathetic triggered leftist trolls are the biggest waste of life on this planet. Period. The world would be a much better place without you worthless pos here.
Ooooohhhhhhh whyyyy don’t you just phuckoff?
Lol, Chief Wahoo respected Indian (ahem, Native American) culture? Gtfo.
It sounds like the only feelings hurt are yours lol. Have some warm milk and a nap, maybe you’ll feel better after hahaha.
Snowflake
“I feel like they were honoring it”
Facts don’t care about your feeelings
When I heard the dulcet tones of our hometown hero Tom Hanks begin narrating this historic announcement, tears sprang to my eyes. I rent the Indians jersey from my bare chest and solemnly lit it ablaze. Progressive Field is finally hosting a progressive team: Cleveland Guardians, so apropos of the fight all who are on the right side of history are making to preserve voting rights for all and maintain our Democracy.
HAAAAAA! What a sjwtard you are!
BLOCKED and reported you January Sixer
The Cleveland Misguided Flammable Boycotts That Obviously Saved America would be a better name than Guardians, I agree.
This has to be sarcasm…
What! Guardians…really! Spiders would have been better choice. Was really no need to change in first place. Always be Indians to me!
Is this change effective immediately?
No.
Well thought, straight forward, catchy, not bad!!
So we found the one guy who likes it
Yankees fan, so…
Of all the names they could have chosen, they pick this clunky, wooden stiff? If I were an Indians fan I’d be pretty pissed right now.
“We are going to diversify and eliminate racism by removing minorities from all cultural references and not allow them to be represented. Only white ethnic mentions allowed to represent sports teams such as fighting Irish and Vikings.”
The Irish and Vikings can go too
Celtics, Browns, 76ers, Trail Blazers, “royals”, Yankees, “angels” all have white origins…..gotta clear out Blackhawks, Canucks.
Are the Spanish too brown? Or do they count as white for the purposes of your argument?
As a Hispanic there’s very few professional sports teams in the USA leagues that are Hispanic in origin.
angels are for all.
@I Beg: I can think of several off top, but ok, please continue deflecting while trying to, what, namedrop your own ethnic identity for cred?
Shouldn’t we have Separation of Church and Baseball?
Mlb, nba, nfl, nhl, mls….very few have mascots of Hispanic origin.
College you’d find more but professional sports? Barely any.
Why say I’m Hispanic? Cause I don’t see Hispanics complaining about lack of representation while mainly white people push to remove minority representation thinking they’re “helping”.
Yeah. Really big help leaving white only team names and removing minority ones.
Nfl: Cardinals, Seahawks, 49ers (more white origin), Falcons, panthers, Bears, Cowboys (white adaptation of the Vaqueros), lions, packers, rams, Vikings, saints, giants, eagles, Seahawks, buccaneers, football team
Ravens, Browns, bills, Broncos, bengals, chargers, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, chiefs, steelers, Raiders, Dolphins, Jets, titans.
0 Hispanic names. Only 1 that is close is cowboys and it’s the white version not vaqueros.
Nba:
Celtics nets Knicks raptors 76ers
Bulls cavalier (italian) piston Pacers bucks
Nuggets Timberwolves jazz thunder trail Blazers
Warriors clippers Lakers suns kings
Hawks Hornets magic heat Wizards
Mavericks (animal) rockets Grizzlies spurs (germanic) Pelicans
where’s the Hispanic in nba lmao?
Mlb 1 team. Padres
Nhl: 0
Mls: 0
So congrats you can think of 1.5 teams out of the 150+ that have Hispanic origins. Padres and the white man’s name for vaqueros lmao..
Who said White origin was the problem? And the Browns are named after a person with the last name Brown
I got Padres, Coyotes, Chihuahuas off top. Upon a very cursory investigation I found the Peoria Javelinas, Surprise Saguaros, Napa Silverados, Santa Fe Fuegos, and another couple Saguaros. Your response to my very basic original question: “Does Spanish count as white or not white in your argument?” began literally with “As a Hispanic….” but then you never answered my question, you just said some other information. Now you are doing the same thing but on a much larger scale. I am simply wondering if in your argument would Spanish be considered brown or white? You can do a one word answer instead of a 7 post non-answer at any moment.
Oh woops my bad, didn’t notice you moving the goalposts there at first. You start with “professional sports teams in the USA” then you pivot almost undetectably to only encompassing 4 leagues of professional sports teams in the USA.
Let me frame this differently, because the information i seek actually has nothing to do with baseball or Cleveland or mascots or anything. Do you, as a self-described Hispanic, see things that are Spanish in origin as white or not white?
Coyotes is an animal same with a chihuahua. Really had to reach on those ones to find Hispanic origins in team names.
Woopie they named a triple a team after a dog. Really that’s the best you had?
Mlb, nba, nfl, NHL, mls…..names teams not actually in the leagues themselves…..had to ignore the actual leagues and look at minor league team. Minor leahues …..minor-ities. Wait a minute!
5 leagues*
Mlb, NFL,NHL,MLS, NBA
How many games have you seen of those teams you mentioned not in the 5 leagues? 0 combined? Huh. And you had to look them up and Google them?
So you’re saying you didn’t know they existed until just now….yeah really being represented in main stream culture when you had no clue who they were until today lmao.
Pick a better argument. Yours sucks.
Paul Brown was a white dude. Theyre named after a white dude. How is that not white origins lmao.
both words “Coyote” and “Chihuahua” are derived from Mexican Spanish, by origin. Not called the Arizona Big Foxes and not called the El Paso Tiny Dogs. Do they pay minor leaguers? I thought whether they earn pay for their labor was what made a team “professional”, which was the word you used in your original non-answer to my question. You later moved the goalposts to say you only meant 5 certain professional leagues, and then further moved the goalposts to claim minor leagues are not professional leagues. Like you are coming at me with some antagonism like I am trying to disprove you or something. I’m just wondering where Spanish origins fit in your argument is all, white or not white? This isn’t some gotcha game, I’m just trying to figure out what you mean, and I’m only calling you out on your deflection tactics, which continue by the way. You still have not answered the original question i posed to you, despite now 9 (nine) different posted responses.
Do I as a Hispanic person see things through a white or non white lens.
I see the world judging everything based on someone’s skin color these days.
If the rules are “skin color matter” that’s fine but don’t be upset when your own rules are used against you.
I see Indian and Black icons in all walks of life being taken out while they let white counterparts stand….who are you really helping here?
You take out the uncle Ben’s, aunt Jemima, lando lakes minority representation but leave Paul Newman’s face on all his products lmao..who are you really helping here?
If you read carefully, I am making a total of zero (o) arguments for or against the existence or removal of team names with Spanish origins. I am simply positing that they do in fact exist. And because i am interested in your original statement about removing “minority representation” (a super dishonest phrasing for your actual working definition of the term) and keeping “white ethnic” representations, and as someone who studies the white/nonwhite intersections withing Hispanic/Latino cultures, I am jut curious as to whether you would see a real or hypothetical team name with Spanish origins as one with “minority representation” or with “white ethnic” representation. Do you have an answer to that question, like again, in your personal opinion, there’s not a wrong answer, so I’m not sure why you actively refuse to give one while openly interacting with me.
Not the world. Quit answering questions I’m not asking and stop making it bigger than what I’m asking of you.. You made a statement unprovoked that was clearly somewhat tongue-and-cheek but i think i understand the actual point you were making: “…diversify and eliminate racism by removing minorities from all cultural references and not allow them to be represented. Only white ethnic mentions allowed to represent sports teams”. So, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THAT STATEMENT, would Spanish origins count as “minority” or “white ethnic”, again, in your personal opinion?
as someone who is Irish I’m perfectly find with the name
Leaving aside the fact that literally 0 people non-sarcastically claim those names are offensive to them….
Cry harder
Laughing*
And I’m laughing as hard as I can.
Step 1: remove minorities from prominent references
Step 2: wonder why minorities are not represented in an “equal” or “equitable” way lmao
My comment seemed to upset you though. Oh well.
meanwhile, still have not answered whether the Spanish are too brown or white enough for the purposes of your argument. But you did tell me you are hispanic.
Right, the liberals are the ones trying to remove lessons about civil rights and slavery from schools.
…oh wait.
Propaganda that teaches kids that they’re racist because of their skin color.
Do you realize how much of a bigot you actually are?
Excellent video. Like the baseball logo with the two wings. Font honors the past. Guardians is a noble nickname. Good choice all around.
All these comments claiming that only white people wanted this change are completely ignorant to the fact that the Not Your Mascot movement was started by Amanda Blackhorse, a Navajo woman. Or the fact that hundreds of sovereign Tribal Nations have come out in support of a name change. Or that the National Congress of American Indians also came out in support of a name change. Chief Wahoo was most definitely an offensive logo design. If you are looking for a good example of how native mascots can be used, look to the Spokane Indians. Understand that through community outreach and collaboration native mascots can be used to create a bridge between Native and non-Native communities when it is done with the support of the local indigenous community. I believe the Florida State Seminoles are another example where there is a partnership between the tribe and the college
Nobody cares,you sjwtard!
Wow. Maybe I should follow another sport given the large population of ignorant turds found in this thread.
Nah. If you were to apply that logic to where I assume you live, then as a fellow West Virginian, you’d have to move.
As an educator in West Virginia, I have to stay to curb the tide of ignorant turdiness in future generations.
Thanks for your post. You hit the nail on the head. People are ignorant and refuse to educate themselves on certain topics.
AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL!
This isn’t the XFL!
So they’re going to be referred to as the Guardies?
THANK GOD that’s not my favorite team!
I weep for the fans of that franchise.
I was for the change but this is ASININE!
WHO voted for this crap?
Should have been Spiders or Rockers.
Why not pay to get a name that wasn’t available?
If you are more offended at this than Indians, you are part of the problem.
@A’sfaninUK:
You keep pasting that over and over, even when the person you’re responding to has said they were in favor of changing the name. Get off your high horse.
Athletics are named after white only clubs in the 1800s. The franchise didn’t have their first black player until 1953…..
1860- athletics franchise was formed
1953- first black player
Almost a full century of the franchise being only whites…..
I like it and I think that people overlook the fact that Indians was very generic. As a fan of the Arizona Cardinals I would absolutely love to see them the change to something that fits Arizona better.
The Arizona Cactuses
The Arizona Audits
You lost, get over it magatard
Idiot-
Such an intelligent response… seem you are triggered… Understandable with how small of a brain you have… Hell, even using a burner account because of how stupid their takes are.
Actually, in point-of-fact, from an ornithological perspective, a team named the Cardinals is wonderfully representative of Arizona, as Arizona is the only state other than Texas where both US cardinal species, the Northern Cardinal and the Pyrrhuloxia, can be found. The pyrrhuloxia can also be found in New Mexico, where the northern cardinal is absent, and the northern cardinal can be found in many states where the pyrrhuloxia is absent.
The Cardinals moniker certainly fits better in Arizona than in Missouri or Illinois.
Arizona Antelopes
I’m just here to see every middle aged white guy lose their mind over a team name for a team thwy don’t follow
It would be amazing if the WFT changes their name to the bonercats.
I think the Washington team should change their name to the Washington Team of Football. Then they could just go by their acronym, like Furman does.
I am a SJW and I think Washington Owned Slaves would make a good historical name.
enjoylindor –
Cats with ED issues would riot
Its particularly amazing with STL/Cards in their user name – we all know who those posters voted for LOL
The guy you’re replying to doesn’t have Cardinals in his name
I do and i am not a Trump supporter, quit assuming things
If you supported Biden that isn’t something to brag about either…
You realize you could support neither of them, right?
It’s America, that is unlikely… Also why I said “if”… Moron
Yo Sox, if you murdered several cute animals, that isn’t something to brag about either….
los_leebos definitely
glad we agree on something, my man!
Its incredibly likely. The two party system is a sham and people are realizing it. You’re being played, moron
Haha, it’s Cey hey, I mean idiot again ..
washington_bonercats –
One of the dumbest comments I have ever heard. Congratulations….that’s quite an accomplishment on these message boards
That’s Bad.
If only 1 in 10 Native Americans were offended by the name “Redskins”, I can’t imagine any more being offended by “Indians”. Make no mistake, this name change is not borne of the actual opinions of Native Americans, but rather woke white people with a savior complex.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
So the racists who named the team in the 1920s DEFINITELY had the best interests of Native Americans in check? BS. They were trying to holocaust them.
You can repost this garbage all you want, it still makes no sense and is EXTREMELY WEIRD to name a pro sports team after a race of human beings, when other teams are named after the weather.
“You can repost this garbage all you want…”
He can, and judging from his thousand comments on here, already has lol.
LOL what? the “racists who named the team”? They were literally named that to honor one of their Native American players you ignorant dolt: “The name referenced the nickname “Indians” that was applied to the Cleveland Spiders baseball club during the time when Louis Sockalexis, a Native American, played in Cleveland (1897–99).”
So are the Vikings or Fighting by Irish similarly weird and inappropriate?
look dude, i dont appose changing the name, but categorizing the entirety of the people who voted in the poll you mentioned as “trying to holocaust” a specific race is a little much.
Correction: they DID holocaust them
Repubs are always so blissfully unaware of the atrocities this country has committed
The people who named the team did NOT “Holocaust” anyone. No one denies the past, you are creating a straw man and revisionist history.
Hi Carl, I’ve seen you cite this poll multiple times in this thread, and I don’t see anyone pointing out that the Native American responses in this poll are 100% by self-identifying Native Americans, which can get tricky. Now i know subtlety is not a strong suit for a comment section, so it basically boils down to the reliability of those answers are about as trustworthy as Elizabeth Warren’s takes on Native American issues. Obviously there is going to be some overlap between self-identifying as Native ala Liz Warren and self-identifying Native because you’re Native. And you absolutely see some Native Americans completely unoffended by and even supportive of these names, but the volatility of self-identification as the control makes it hard to draw any solid conclusions from this poll about how Native Americans overall feel about the name(s). You seem to be taking the results completely at face value and drawing broad-stroke conclusions from the data.
Elizabeth Warren is self identifying as native… She’s probably indicative of the 10% offended…
the point is the data does not distinguish between “card carrying” Native Americans who legally belong to a Nation/Tribe, multigenerational lives on a Reservation, etc. on the one hand, and ANYONE who was ever told “ya know your great grandma was half Indian” on the other hand. By the parameters of the poll, the 4th Generation Tribal Leader of the Lac Courtes Oreilles Ojbiwa Band of the Anishanabee and Elizabeth Warren, herself, could be identically counted as “Native American” in the poll responses.
1/1024 native american lmao
Are you saying the media is misleading??? How Trumpian of you…
I am saying the structure of the poll and the resulting data are flawed if your informational goal from the poll was to in fact discern whether Native Americans are for, against, or neutral toward the Native American sports mascots. As for “The Media”, most outlets will pick up on anything that provides clicks and views, and that goes for politically right, left, center, and beyond. Profit is the goal, information is the product, media outlets will do the rest how they see fit.
right and so other 1/1024 Native Americans could have had poll responses in the cited poll, whose responses were recorded as “Native American Response”. That is problematic from a data collection standpoint, before any conclusions are drawn.
Making assumptions isn’t an argument either.
This is a non-sequitur statement from you, Sox.. Nowhere in any of my above comments have I use the word “assume” or the word “argument”. We going back and forth on a couple different sub-threads in this comment section, so maybe this was meant to be a response to a different post. But I sure don’t want to assume that!
With all of the time spent that is the best they could do? What a joke of a name!
Well at least they got to keep “-dians”
Cleveland Karens.
The Braves need to move to the Philippines and change their name to The Manilla Folders.
They’re folding pretty well where they are, thank you very much.
It took all this time to come up with “Guardians”?
Man Cleveland really is a cheap skate franchise, you know they agreed on this new name because of those 4 letters at the end of the name that get to stay the same. They passed on dozens of better names so they didn’t have to change 4 letters on all their imaging and merch! Also the G is just a C with a small vertical dash.
I’m disappointed they didn’t go with Cleveland Colonizers.
Or the Great White Hunters and use the baddie from Jumanji as their mascot.
The word White would be too racist, sorry
Pure marxist lunacy, now out of control.
What is Marxist about a private organization changing their name? The government didn’t ask them to.
If you don’t know, you probably are one.
You have an infant’s understanding of what marxism is
Cey Hey made a new username “repliestoidiots” to avoid getting his main account banned lmao.
Same woke attitude Cey Hey displays. 0 comments from cey hey in thread.
Good comeback, bro. Sounds like you don’t know what Marxism is
Wait, wouldn’t you be a Marxist if you DO know
funny to see the REDS fan wax indignant about Marxism. According to your logic, your own team has been INFILTRATED?! What other AMERICAN team would name their team after Communism? Red Army? Marxist! Red China? MARXIST! Red Scare? MARXIST! Red Legs? you do the math…..
For those of you who don’t like the name because you wanted them to remain the Indians, get over it. Yes it offended some liberals but it also legitimately offended some actual Native American groups. If you can’t understand that last part, your loss.
For those of you who don’t like this because you wanted a better name, I’m with you. I was really hoping for the Spiders.
For everyone else, well I’m glad you like the name change.
No it didn’t. You’re wrong.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
SJWs don’t like actual statistics… Only ones that support their confirmation bias
Yes it did. It legitimately offended *some* Native Americans and that’s good enough. Cry about it.
ideastream.org/news/native-americans-protest-ahead…
Elizabeth Warren is self identifying as native… She’s probably indicative of the offended
He is usually wrong and talks out of both sides expressing his wokeness.
Seems like all the internet racists are upset about the name. Good.
I think it’s a bit bland but I’m sure the Cleveland team leaders did a lot of public discussion and testing before deciding on this name.
Without reading all the posts, am I alone in thinking they should have gone with the Rocks?
The Rockies would’ve taken issue with it
I am offended by the Yankees name so it should be changed! Is the white sox not being a racist comment? Speaking of offended how about those Padres?
I am a bird lover so all bird names Ned to be “cancelled”
How is this an issue? I mean, it’s Cleveland we’re arguing about.
Maybe not my top choice for a new name, but I’m just here to watch all the fogies get their pantaloons in a bunch about “woke mobs” and “leftist commies” coming for our statues next
it amazes it how hard it is to make one’s point without name-calling. the reasonable people of the world tend to believe it undermines one’s argument.
That’s a fair point, the name calling wasn’t necessary. That only adds to the animosity, so I’ll take that feedback to heart. Doesn’t change my thoughts on fabricated culture wars and usurping the term “woke” and puffing it up as some kind of bogeyman. But again, you make a fair point about the name-calling, especially because I want replying to anyone who was specifically name calling in the first place.
oh, i didnt mean you. i thought you wete just quoting others and were also lamening the name calling.
No worries, I did call people fogies with pantaloons in a bunch lol. My comment would have had the exact same message without that, so I appreciate the comment regardless!
They’ve already come for the statues. Where have you been, the U.K.?
I’m not sure you got the point of the OP.
Oh good lord, they will be the laughing stock of professional baseball with that name
Similar things were said when the Devil Rays changed their name to the Rays. People stopped laughing when the team became a contender.
Is the State of Indiana going to have to change it’s name next? Honest question. What about the Indianapolis Colts? Half of their name is offensive.
The state of Indiana is offensive, no matter what it’s name is.
If you hate freedom, sure. But that’s why Illinois is right next door, you can be oppressed all you want there if you don’t like it
Sounds like the name of a semi-pro football team
It would be interesting to hear what Louis Sockalexis thought about all of this.
For anyone wondering, there is a bridge right outside progressive field with 2 large statues called the “guardians of transportation”. They can be seen in the opening of Major League, so no they did not just pull this name out of their asses, it clearly had meaning for the city of Cleveland.
Ew!
Cmu Chippewas graduate here. They are supported by the Saginaw Chippewas. That said Redskin and Indians couldn’t survive in this climate. Braves maybe are next while Chiefs/ warriors survive along with any names with support from N.A.
Only a matter of time until the White Sox will have to remove White from their name to pander to the SJWs
Plenty of SJWs posting here
I automatically assume that everyone who uses the word SJW unironically either is 13 or has a mental defect
You would be wrong
In your case I’m 100% right
Okay, @idiot, or should I say Cey hey
They only picked Guardians because it is a lot cheaper to only change the first two letters of the name on signage instead of the whole thing. IN to GUAR is a lot cheaper than changing the whole word INDIAN to SPIDER.
Were they actually considering “Spiders”?!
The Detroit MLB ballclub exploits the name of a minority golfer without compensation. Outrageous.
Frankly, I am offended that the team is not owned by Joe Exotic.
So how long before the state of Indiana has to change its name to Guardiana?
I’m sure Indiana will happily change the state name to “White Redneck Racist State”.
You’re confusing Indiana for Florida
Here’s the wonderful thing about all of the “anti-woke” posters., to quote The Rock, “It doesn’t matter what you think!”.
The team’s owners/management felt that the name was offensive and/or outdated and/or disrespectful to native Americans., so they changed it.
They are the only ones who matter, when it comes to this decision. The same will hold true of other teams, with similar names, decide to follow suit.
“but muh corporation”… Funny how the woke types resort to this only when a corp makes a decision they agree with, otherwise bake the cake, bigot… Typical “have it both ways” leftism…
Funny how republicans are all for corporate rights until a corporation does something they don’t like. Typical “have it both ways” republicans
I’m not complaining about the name change… I’m all for them changing it if they want to, (in fact the minority of people are mad they are changing it, I think most think the new name is dumb as f) but I’m here to point out the hypocrisy of the woke types because they’re talking this as a victory and assuming that everyone else is racist for not blindly supporting this change and then use arguments they typically vehemently oppose to justify their position… It’s hilarious how simple minded wokists are.
Exactly
The new mascot has to be Groot, right?
That logo is NOT fire. Hope they stick with the various “Cs” they often use now and drop this garbage.
Yeah not only is the new name dumb, but which executive’s 5yo grandkid designed the logo?
Guar —- dians
In ——–dians
That is why they picked the name – actually very close to the old name
Could’ve just added a syllable and moved one state to the west.
Can Disney/Marvel sue them for copyright infringement? What if they had chosen Avengers instead?
racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
How is a name of a sports team that is being used as a proud symbol of that team, considered racist?
Guardians? Such an obscure reference. Was hoping for Spiders like most here.
I said 20 years ago that of the team wanted to keep Indians it needed to change its approach to mirror Florida State. Set up a museum at the ballpark, donate to Native American causes, work with some local tribes.
Instead they rolled our Chief Wahoo until the vocal minority was able to get their way.
They had a chance, plenty of them, to properly honor Native Americans and avoid this.
Horrible choice. Very happy I’m not an Indians fan right now. Sounds absolutely ridiculous
“Guardians” because they are “guarding” the Dolan family’s money.
I’m an atheist and I object to Angels and Padres. I’m short and I object to Giants. I’m a Southerner and some of my ancestors died in the Civil War, I object to Yankees. I’m a recovering alcoholic and I object to Brewers. I’m a swordfish and I object to Marlins.
let us know when you get the attention of a multibillion dollar corporation about thems there feelings you have.
Didn’t object to Brewers enough then, did you
Thank you
They were going to go nameless, but that was too offensive. Marxist madness is the slipperiest of all slippery slopes.
Yeah, there’s nothing Marxist about this, or the US in general. Especially not Ohio.
You should be calling yourself Redlegs1 if you’re worried about Marxism.
A corporation renaming a team due to public outcry is actually capitalism at work.
ah, and the logo is quite nice too. well done.
Worst comment section on the internet
Disagree. This comment section proposed the team’s new nickname as the Cleveland Bonercats.
Picture a World Series between the Cleveland Bonercats and the Atlanta Braves.
Atlanta fans extend their right arm and do the chop, while in Cleveland the luckier, more gifted among the fans extend a different appendage. Ratings.
Then leave.
Makes sense. Baseball’s core demographic keeps getting older and older. So tons of old fish come here to whine about sabremetrics and women announcers and Jackie Robinson breaking the color line.
Well except when they were called the Naps or when they were called the spiders, etc
I actually do believe this to be true. Well, not literally obviously but I do consider it to be the worst of the dozens of boards I’ve ever spent a moderate amount of time on. And that observation has zero to do with this thread.
Sure, there are some fantastic posters on here as with any board but the mix of toxicity, unfunniness, foolishness, whining, and homerism is pretty bad here. Of course, the posts themselves tend to be fantastic.
So why am I commenting on this post, then? Sometimes I come to this board just to see what dumb comments I’ll find today. Other times I actually try to scope out the intelligent comments because, in the end, they are often still worth it.
If you’re looking for a great baseball comment section, I’d say Fangraphs is where it’s at. The quality is just so much better there comments-wise. Articles here, articles and comments there.
Rats, I was hoping for the Cleveland Traffic Cones
It’s a Peggy Lee nickname–“Is that all there is?”
They could have kept the hats.
Guar replaces In. Brilliant in its subtlety.
Atlanta Waves.
Washington Pumpkins.
Kansas City Briefs.
Boston Wed Lox? Maybe not.
Should have been GWAR replacing In
As a perpetually struggling, cash strapped small-market club the choice of Guardians made most sense financially. They can keep their CLEVELAND road unis & only had to remove two letters from their home jerseys and add G U A R.
Too funny!
This is a solid comment. I can picture a scene in Major League where they actually do this and you can totally see the hastily/cheaply done repairs on the jerseys for the rest of the movie.
Stupid, absolutely stupid. Dumbass name. They’re the Indians. Always have been, always will be. No way do I call them the new name.
Ok, Mike Smith.
Always have been? Go back and read the article
GREAT comment
Hold on that went to the wrong post. Nothing great about that rant
At least they didn’t choose one of those goofy nouns that doesn’t have a singular/plural, like the Miami Sand or the Chicago Fire.
I’m Groot
I am Groot.
If Birmingham ever gets a team, they can name it the Birmingham Potholes.
White Sox high A Potholes? I like it
We have the AA Barons already. I meant an MLB team.
Cleveland Indians.
@A’sfan, I’m old and I don’t give a flying fig what teams change their name to. For you to say old people don’t like change, well you are making broad sweeping statements about something you know absolutely nothing about.
I don’t get the hullabaloo from either point on this topic. Is it going to change the way they perform either by leaving it as it was or changing it? I doubt it.
A’sfan hates minorities. He’s ok with removing minority team names like Indians….not so much the Oakland Athletics. Named after Athletic clubs in the late 1800s. Team was founded in 1860. Didnt have their first black player until 1953…..meaning they’re named after a group of only white males playing sports. Pretty racist origins.
They should have called themselves the Cleveland Nonames until they win a championship.
Who are the Indians playing today?
I was for the Spiders… just to weigh in, the name Indians is inappropriate even if the original
intention was innocent. Doesn’t mean anyone who wants to keep it is racist. Not everything is a pure dichotomy. The Chief Wahoo thing was totally disgraceful and bigoted but there is room for disagreement with the name. Glad they changed it but I don’t like “Guardians”. I’ll get over it though.
Stupid name. They should have called themselves the Progressive Flos or Flos for short.
Logo is “quite nice?” Cleveland will be the only team with a G-Spot on their uniforms.
Speaking on behalf of the Soapberry species of trees that are native to Ohio and the lower midwest….I’m offended that Ohio State University uses the seeds I produce in a slang term called Buckeye and request that they change their name.
Rumor has it that PETA is forming a group to demand that all bird/animal nicknames be changed at once. I remember hearing as a kid “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me”. My how the world has changed and become incredibly sensitive.
And in six months, everyone except die-hard racists will get use to the name, and life will move on, just as it did in D.C.
Get your whining in now before no one cares.
Explain how it is racist to use a name as a proud symbol of a MLB team? Really think what the word racist, or racism really means.
Meh, still gonna call them Indians/Tribe.
Same, it’s easy to hate the Indians as a Sox fan but the Gaurdians… that’s too lame for my taste
I guess us Chicagoans have our Sears Tower.
For about a year or two. Then when no one cares anymore, and you look foolish, you will relent.
This happens every time a name is changed. No one calls the Wizards the Bullets anymore. No one cares.
Foolish? Listen, I’ve called them Indians/Tribe for 60 years, and I don’t plan to change. Ownership relented, not the true hardcore fans. Go do your predictions somewhere else.
A bitter, old white guy stuck in his ways. Alert the media! What’s next a hypocritical Christian?!
A majority of White Sox fans still call their ballpark Comiskey despite it having a different name for a couple decades…
People get stuck in their ways and will refuse to call something by a new name, especially if it isn’t a better name, and we can all (or at least mostly) agree “guardians” is too dull of a name to catch on
I’m a Chicago baseball fan who has more issues with both Comiskey and Wrigley being used as stadium names considering their complicity with all the other MLB owners in keeping baseball segregated for the first half of the 2oth century. Comiskey also grates on me for the role he played in the 1919 Black Sox scandal. Just saying…
You just perfectly highlighted why cowtowing to change something that offends people is a black hole…
If a team changes it’s name, great, but of it doesn’t, you don’t have the right to not be offended.
I wonder when Marcs will start selling “Guar” stickers…
What an embarrassment.
I saw a petition shortly after the name change from a Cleveland fan urging other fans to change their team alliance to nearby Pittsburgh lol. It’s not THAT bad!
So, I have a serious question. What does this mean for Cleveland Indians in media? Does the movies Major League and Major League II just go away?
Let’s hope Major League 2 goes away
In all seriousness I don’t think they will. Apparently some people want Trump edited out of Home Alone 2 which is kind of stupid. It’s not gaining any ground though. And whether you like Trump or not, I want my grandkids to watch that movie and say, “Wait, that guy was President!!”
It is like the owners said wait, you don’t like our racist name? Oh well, here is the worst name ever for a sports team. Hard to believe this was picked by anyone other than a 5 year old who just watched Guardians of the Galaxy. Sad.
Personally, I was hoping the ‘Edmund Fitzgerald’s’ would finally make it to Cleveland. Fully loaded, of course. What would be the uproar if they had named the team the Marines, or the airmen, seamen, or soldiers? I guess most don’t realize the Space Force troops are referred to as Guardians.
Blutarsky –
I highly doubt they do. I’d bet a large percentage don’t even know there is a “Space Force” at all. And if they did, would it make a difference in how incredibly stupid it sounds?
Well one thing is for sure….they picked a name ridiculous and obscure enough that no one should get offended by it. They should have just gone with “Cleveland Baseball Team”. Guardians? Seriously?
I suppose the employees at Guardian Credit Union will someday demand a name change
This is unbelievable who comes up with these sissy names!
Sissy name? Ok, tough guy
Looks like the create a team logo from the show. Brilliant!
Cey Hey made a new username “repliestoidiots” to avoid getting his main account banned lmao.
Same woke attitude Cey Hey displays. 0 comments from cey hey in thread.
I’m offended by the lack of creativity…Guardians team runs out onto the field AND HERE OUR YOUR CLEVELAND GUARDIANS hahaha no
Kind of stupid, but Cleveland’s name change doesn’t change the alphabetical order of teams. “Guardians” is still in between “Giants” and “Mariners” alphabetically.
So they appropriated the name from the CPBL and the Fubon Guardians, how dare they………..
Get ready for Major League the movie to be cancelled by the woke crowd as well. What a sad sad world it is today.
You’re right, it’s a sad sad world… when things like crony capitalism, political corruption, and climate change are apparently not as bad as a team name change
Hideous.
Seems everyone I’ve ever muted had something to say on this one. Plenty of new ones too. I hope there’s no cap on the muted list.
You’re running out of room on your mute list? Hahah!
They really missed out. I was hoping they’d do a full name change and become the…
Cuyahoga River Fires
What, and offend all the other fires? No sir!
It’s almost as bad a name as The Los Angeles Angels…….almost.
LOL at the mental gymnastics displayed to hold onto a racist team moniker.
Sockalexis, Braves, Florida State, etc. Just say you want to keep the racist nickname and move on LOL
@ Quentin
Yes, and some people profess or assert that they’re ‘educated’, yet find ‘racism’ in the name of a baseball team. Indeed.
Just because someone has an opinion on something, does not mean A) it’s true or B) it is the right opinion or C) that everyone else should change what they are doing because of this opinion, in any situation
IMO I was thinking Cleveland Rockers
Cleveland Rocks would’ve been infinitely better…Guitar or drums on the logo
You can cancel names, symbols, tear down statues, but you can’t cancel history. So get over it.
Yes you can. You can call a group of people Indian when they are not Indians. Columbus changed their history, so we are correcting it
Why not? Columbus did. He called a group of people Indians who were not Indian. You care about history so much you should appreciate the correction
Guardians of the weak liberal offended by everything woke mind.
Exactly! So why is DeSantis trying to get people to stop talking about slavery in schools???
Mr. Idi*t, parents in Florida do not want their children indoctrinated with Critical Race Theory. Get a clue snowflake!
Your grammer is the only thing thats offensive
Thats or that’s? Lol!
Grammar*
But I agree with you
Gotta love when you try to call someone out and misspell “grammar” lmfao!!!
Cleveland Unicorns sounds good to me.
I was hoping for Cleveland Crackers .
Omg the Naps. Why couldn’t that be a thing?!?
guardians are current day templars.
I really don’t see the issue. And if it was so offensive why wait 75 years? Would’ve been better if they went back to the original name. Cleveland spiders isn’t great either but Guardians are just awful. Of over 100 name ideas they chose that.
Would have been good enough to be called The Tribe. This is just dumb.
I never thought of that but it would have been good. This is okay though
Anyone else notice the irony? The Guardians video was posted on the Indians Twitter page. Management is a disgrace.
No idea what you’re talking about
10 cents beer night!
A company changed its name. It is funny how people can turn this into such a big deal.
Because the name is dumb.
WhiteSox – I totally understand that people might not like the new name, logo or whatever. That makes perfect sense.. What cracks me up are the people turning this into a huge political issue.
Exactly. I literally don’t care. J’m just here for the shitstorm
40 comments on this article. Get a life.
Sounds like an Arena football or minor league hockey name.
The Kansas City Royals are next up on the offended soft and overweight weak millennial clock. Since it was the Royal’s as in British Crown that brought slavery to America, The name is offensive and must go. The Kansas City Climate Change should be their new name! An additional $5 will be added to every game ticket and every beer sold because you know, Climate Change!
Snowflake
Also, it was the people who opened the land for settlers who began the slave trade, not the Crown. Facts don’t care about your feelings
Part of my rightwinger mentality hates this – undertand it ..maybe but still hates this. Then I let the rest of my rightwing mentality take over and am cool with it because its a private business that can do what they want and the free market will decide whether or not it was a mistake.. That said – anyone else notice a quick and massive increase in cost of old Indians gear on Ebay?
Haha love these points. And the fact that you spend time thinking through these things and not just going off the rails.
Guardians sounds like the name of an insurance or home security company. Could have come up with something better. I do agree that Redskins is racist and Indians was inaccurate. Braves actually celebrates the proud heritage of native Americans. As for the tomahawk, most early settlers in America used one for defense, building and hunting.
They should have done their research on the name “Guardians”. There’s some association with the Klan from 1920’s with a book named Guardians of Liberty. Whoops, better cancel it.
Nice catch.
“Guardians of Liberty is a three volume set of books published in 1943 by Bishop Alma Bridwell White, author of over 35 books and founder of the Pillar of Fire Church. Guardians of Liberty is primarily devoted to summarizing White’s vehement anti-Catholicism under the guise of patriotism. White also defends her historical support of and association with the Ku Klux Klan.”
Except for the ridiculously unctuous PR video narrated by Tom Hanks, Guardians seems okay to me and the logo too.
Cayde-6 would be proud.
Weak name. They will always be the Indians to me.
Weak comment
Same
I am 25% Native American (Sioux), and I think the most offensive team name out there is the Padres. The real Padres, the Spaniards who founded the California missions, brutally destroyed native culture and committed genocide. Those who survived were enslaved.
There has been a move to change the name of the Los Padres national forest for this reason. I think the San Diego baseball team should dump the “Padres” name as well.
I understand your reasoning from a historical perspective. I just don’t think it’s rational. Padres literally means father in Spanish and Italian. It is also, as you state, a word describing a priest or clergyman. You can’t ban terms like these because of some isolated historical event. I think it’s time people move in and let the past go. Easier said then done, I know. But changing sports team names won’t change history, or make anything better. If anything, people will just forget altogether. It’s what most Americans are good at… forgetting history.
However the Padres is this case DO refer to the priests who carried out these atrocities. And a team name is sometimes a tribute which can be a problem.
Also letting go of the past can mean moving on from old names that aren’t relevant anymore. Doesn’t mean we won’t remember the history.
That said, I appreciate your thoughtful comment and hope I was able to contribute to the discussion
That’s a great point. I knew the history but never thought about that.
The Cleveland Guardians of Traffic? Hahaha! Swing and a miss.
Holy hell, how stupid…
The statuary reference reminds me of the recent XFL incarnation’s NY Guardians, though for football they went with a more violent-themed approach:
youtube.com/watch?v=pSf5FmmCWM4
Now they can play off of the Guardians concept and change the name of mascot from Chief Wahoo to Chief Yandu.
Guardians isn’t terrible, but Spiders would have been much better and a nice nod to their history.
Spiders sounds too creepy.
I think Spiders could have made for a better logo, but this is fine
Awful choice.
Odd that my completely middle of the road comment seems to have been deleted.
Their censorship here can be ridiculous, deleting ok comments while leaving many offensive and/or inflammatory comments to remain. Makes little sense at times.
I think it has to do with flagging. If no one flags an inflammatory comment, the site administrator doesn’t see it. Nothing’s perfect but I mostly like how they run the comment section
I really didn’t know that Cleveland needed to be guarded…
I’ll call them the Gindians
Pathetic.
Seems like this site’s entire readership woke up today and said “Well, today’s the day I go full Clint Eastwood in defense of my lawn.”
You say this as if it’s a bad thing.
as a native.. don’t care. Some of the imagery oh yeah for sure that gets under my skin.. but the name.. don’t care.
As long as it is reasonably respectful I don’t see why anyone would care.
Most that i’ve met and it came up… felt pretty much the same.
Complete waste of time.
On the other side of the coin… i still don’t care what they’re called.
As long as they don’t mess with the Major League movies… then that is just tooo far.
Very well thought out comment.
Isn’t “Guardians” the nickname for the US Space Force too? Kinda cheesie, but whatever. It’s Cleveland. lol
I’m offended because as a “Guardians of the Galaxy” fan this team definitely has no Star-Lord’s. Maybe a frew Drax’s and a Groot but thats it…
Good for Cleveland, regardless of what any of the fools here say. The Cleveland Rocks would have been hilarious tho… they would have had their own theme song already written LOL
Not a bad name. Decent at best.
Did anyone ask Elizabeth Warren about this?
Congratulations, you’re a Trump lemming.
What is a Trump lemming, ChiSox?
It’s someone that triggers basement trolls like Mr. ChiSox
You don’t know what a lemming is? That’s 7th grade education stuff, but I digress. Google is your friend. You guys need to stop parroting every stupid thing Trump and Limbaugh says—think for yourself (even though it’s hard with the education you’re given in red states.
Limbaugh is dead, you stable genius.
You need to stop parroting every stupid thing mainstream media says. Think for yourself (basically impossible when you’re an indoctrinated sheep)
Not sure folks with arachnophobia would agree with you.
So, Dolan wanted a better name but not that much better. Was Anteaters taken? Honey Badgers? Lamprey?
The very notion that anyone would be offended by a name let alone a mascot is out of their minds, pushing an agenda, or just going along with the offended crowd to ensure benefits.
I can’t remember the last time I was EVER offended by such things. I have a heritage just like everyone else on the planet and I have never once gotten uptight about a team name like the Fighting Irish or if someone named their team the Flying Asian Avocados. I like the cartoon caricatures of nearly all teams. Well, some are kinda dumb but I”ve never been offended pinning the reason to a racial thing. This stuff is just idiotic.
i work on the Navajo Nation for the Indian Health Service (a racist name if I’ve ever heard one LOL) and most people seem fairly conservative here. From what I can tell, people here don’t care. The ones who do care are the ones in power and I suspect they toe the line to ensure continued benefits for the tribe.
I can tell you if I had a team named after me, or some aspect of me, I would think it was cool and i would be honored. Only the perpetually offended get upset at team names and mascots.
A company changed their name. The very notion that anyone would be offended by a company changing their name let alone a mascot is out of their minds, pushing an agenda, or just going along with the offended crowd to ensure benefits.
@CKinSTL
Your comment is dumb.
I honestly don’t care if a team changes their name. I just think it’s stupid to fall victim to the woke crowd. Teams have changed their names many times in baseball’s history.
No need to be nasty. Lighten-up a bit. Not every discussion on the internet has end up in being mean and nasty.
You state that people that complaining for a name change were pushing an agenda, (which I interpreted as a political agenda)
I opine the same is true about people complaining about the fact that the team changed their name.
You childishly argue that my point is “dumb”.. but then you go on to use right-wing talking points and terminology, which shows your political agenda.. supporting my point perfectly.
You do know that the Not Your Mascot movement was started by a Navajo woman named Amanda Blackhorse? The protests against mascots were grassroots and led by indigenous peoples. And many of the leaders of that movement are from the same community you work in
I also work in an indigenous community and make the general statement that natives are conservative is ridiculous. There is a diversity of thought in indigenous communities and I suggest you look at an election map and see how blue Navajo nation shows up. Not that this issue is about conservative or liberal viewpoints of mainstream America but actually a more complex issues and I think if you go ask around in the community you work you’ll find an array of though on this issue. Especially considering enrolled members of the community you serve helped start this change
@mjpeez
You know there’s more than one definition of conservative. I wasn’t speaking about politics when I said that.
@mjpeez
Most people in general do not get upset or uptight at team names. There is a certain crowd that picks certain topics to get upset about that’s a given. Don’t make it sound like all natives are all united against this. You also need to stop making it sound like every tribe is that united. They are just like any other people in this world. Man you have like 100 posts in this thread.
The name “Indian” is not offensive. This entire topic is ridiculous. Do you really think it was adopted centuries ago to be offensive in the first place ? Clearly the team dropped the name because they fell victim to the woke crowd.
You work for or are? I’m both for another nation… generally pretty liberal.. Most don’t care about the name. But the logo and the stupid name they gave is out there. I think they recently taken it off most of their items.. thats good enough.
I said it in another comment.. as long as it is reasonably respectful.. who cares. not I.
The “Gandalfians” would have been better. Wicked logo, and motto: “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!”
Guading Cleveland against winning the World Series
Literally nothing about the name change has to do with communism or socialism. Why is the comment section all about it?
Because those snowflake commenters get triggered easily
Nope. It’s 100% a business decision and you can’t fault a business—which is what sports teams ultimately are—for acting in its own self-interest. People who can’t understand that probably don’t understand a lot of basic concepts.
Like it or not, wokeness sells in certain corners and anti-wokeness sells in other corners. And businesses will act according to the feelings of their respective customer bases, among other factors.
It’s a terrible name and miles ahead of the one they’re getting rid of.
Well Soys and Girls, I’m going to go watch Major League and think of the good days.
If you’re gonna name your team after a Kevin Costner movie shouldn’t it at least be a baseball movie?
Nice
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Your kids will meditate in school
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California Über Alles
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Über Alles California
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Zen fascists will control you
Hundred percent natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face
Close your eyes, can’t happen here
Big Bro’ on white horse is near
The hippies won’t come back, you say
Mellow out or you will pay
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California Über Alles
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Über Alles California
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Knock-knock at your front door
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When you mess with President Brown
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California Über Alles
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I didn’t realize a team name change was what Jello Biafra was singing about. Unlike you, I think he cared about real problems
Yeah, like allowing men to pretend to be women, important stuff like that.
Jonny5, I guarantee you that Jello would be in favor of trans rights. Glad to see another DK fan on here, though
that song is about “woke”, wouldn’t you say? What do you think that song – in its original version – is about?
It’s all right there in the lyrics
I think we disagree on what “woke” means then. But we can agree that Dead Kennedy’s were a great band, so I bet we would get aong.
The Atlanta Malefactors you’re on deck.
Let’s get ready for some arena football!!!!!!!!!!!
They had one job to do, a rather simple job…. yet, after months and months… and millions of dollars…. the best they could come up with was Guardians???……. Sad, so sad……. simple now… always refer to them as the Indians…. and yes, they still play at The Jake!
Amen
Have you noticed how generic new names have become ?
Pretty lame.
That’s true but are they really more generic than tigers, lions, cardinals, etc. (and even Indians for that matter)
I’ll give credit that at least this has a local connection
Most people don’t understand the Sovereignty of Indigenous Peoples and Tribal Nations’ right to self-determinations and in this comment section it shows
Frankly, could it be that the vast majority of people simply do not care that much? Yes, that would be true.
@BaseballGuy1
Exactly. Most people really don’t care about team names or mascots. They simply understand that this is their name and that’s it.
This guy needs to get off his high horse and quit acting like all tribes are united against the names. A NAME IS A NAME.
…and the relevance of that to the issue is…?
They should have combined the guardians idea with a nod to the Rock ‘n Roll Hall of Fame and called themselves the The Hall Monitors.
Ha!
Toledo has the Mud Hens, so Cleveland could be the Mud Roosters or some derivation of the latter, maybe shortened.
That logo is garbage
The Braves’ name is safe. They’re from a state that restricts and suppresses actual Native Americans from voting, but they’ll be happy to keep the name and will not change it no matter what kind of pressure they get. This is Georgia, after all, folks.
Are you crying?!
Lay off the CNN kooliad. Try ignoring Stacey ‘the tank’ Abrams. Then you might learn something.
Your ignorance of GA and the influence of the Cherokee Nation is showing, not to mention your ignorance of the recent electoral legislation in GA, which by the way, is far less restrictive than NY. The Braves have a lucrative contract with the Cherokees, so no, they don’t feel a bit “suppressed”, in the voting booth or otherwise. They’re not sitting in a teepee weaving blankets; they’re a cross section of the American population and could be your next door neighbor in an affluent suburb. YOU are the bigot who doesn’t make the effort to actually learn the facts.
Nice! dig the name and logo
I’m not even going to bother scrolling thru messages above to see all the garbage from racist trumpsters.
Your comment is garbage. Glad orange man is still in your head
Oh those filthy deplorables… amirite?
Guarding The GALAXY!!
Why not Blue Sox? – would have been more interesting, primary color and leggings are navy blue and carries a sense of tradition
Why not Blue Sox? – would have been more interesting, their primary color and leggings are navy blue and carries a sense of tradition
This name is so bad I do not know where to start.. Any animal name that starts with C would be better… Cougars, Cows, Crows, No pro team is called the Cougars and kind of fits with the Tigers in the same division. Crows would work if they realigned to the AL East and joined the Orioles and Blue Jays.
Many quickly established trade rights in anticipation of making fast money off the name change. I believe that greatly limited the naming.
Are they also switching leagues to the XFL to coincide with it?
Baseball name not safe because ball and only men have them
Sounds like the name of a newspaper – swing and a miss. Should have just used “Cleveland.”
I couldn’t care less about the name change… but can we talk about how horrible that logo is? I mean at least put a little effort into it. A baseball with wing flaps? If I was a graphic designer I would be offended by the new logo lol
Looks like Thor’s old helmet. Yuck!
I’m with you. I don’t care about the politics of it, so would rather spend time talking about the logo. I think Guardians sounds good but Spiders would have made for an awesome logo
Absolutely. And even as the Guardians, do a shield and sword with a C in the middle or something. It’s so bad… lol
Pathetic. Stupid.
I’d hate to see how some of you behave when something significant actually happens to you.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
So 1/3 of Navajos on the reservation in Arizona don’t have indoor plumbing and they are going to be concerned about a team name 2000 miles away ? Who is really pushing this agenda ?
Meanwhile the government agency “Indian Health Service” still has the name Indian in it and I don’t see anyone getting upset about this. And yet there are those on this site who claim that every native is up in arms about team names and mascots. That’s a joke.
Maybe work on that plumbing first.
Cleveland Guardians… of Traffic?
When is this nonsense going to stop
When did it start? It’s just a team name
BIG SWING AND MISS, just like today’s game is played. The organization needs to back away from this awful name NOW.
Then stop watching. You won’t be missed.
Reasons for/against the name change aside…
This name is fine imo. Not great, not terrible; just okay.
Would have preferred ‘Spiders’ for the swap. If a movie about a character called “Spider-Man” can net a large crowd and profit, I don’t see how Cleveland couldn’t make the moniker work.
Speaking of superheroes, the new logo looks like Cleveland hired Disney’s Marvel branch to make it. The good news here is that when the team decides to tank/rebuild, the minor league aesthetics that the new logo brings will be perfect.
In conclusion, I am not impressed By what Cleveland went with. I never liked the previous name or logo because of the design and style; a matter of personal preference. Yet the changes made hardly moved the needle and so I am left caring just as little about the name/look of this team as I did before the swap.
6/10
Sad day for baseball… sad day for America.
They can change the name to Cleveland Mistakes
BRAVO.
A name change was long overdue..
Not a big fan of the replacement, but..
We’ll see how the new name works out.
YOU KNOW YOUR A LOSER WHEN:
– You question the insensitivity of sport franchise names
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS WHEN:
– You dispute or defend at length these liberal agenda changes
Get for a new summer blockbuster next summer. The remake of Major League. Can’t have a movie about a team called the Indians.
I would actually love a remake…. just because baseball movies are awesome. Jake Taylor or Rick Vaughn managing. New young cast of ballplayers. What could go wrong.
I also want a Police Academy reboot.
The contrived outrage and righteous indignation over a team name change is really amusing. And unlike 90% of you, I’m actually an Indians fan. ;p
Change the name, don’t change the name…. I don’t care. But why are we still pretending that token changes actually improve anything? If anything, they just pacify the masses. Changing a name makes people think there is progress, but this does nothing to help the day to day life of an indigenous person. This just lets people have the illusion that they are ‘helping the cause’ without actually changing anything. If you truly want to help, then go out and help those people that you feel are being treated poorly. Same with cities in the South removing Confederate statues – Cool, the statue was taken down, but does that really improve the day to day life of the people who might be offended by it? No, not at all. It just gives people the warm and fuzzy feeling that they are helping when they instead could be putting their efforts into changes that will actually help minorities thrive and succeed.
You should understand that this site is mostly a logic-free zone, so you need to adjust your reasoning accordingly.
If the focus is on helping people, it shouldn’t be separated into different issues. You could be helping minorities, but does that mean that they take precedent over the situations of those not in that category? Should we not approach the issues as a whole rather then prioritizing one over the other?
Because there’s money to be made on what has become a stupidly polarizing issue? It’s yet another positive feedback loop we’re stuck in because many of us are too dumb, ignorant, blind, or stubborn to understand how the world works.
Thank God for a mute button
I imagine about 90% of the comments in this thread have been muted as a result haha.
This has to be one of the most commented stories in the history of MLBTR.
Sorry to all the hand-wringers concerned about the ethnic demeaning but the change had NOTHING to do with anything but $$$. There wouldn’t be a named change if the Tribe wasn’t pulling in a mere 12K a game; It’s a re-branding that all companies do when their sales are tanking.
The folks who want the Tribe to stick it to the woke folks at the potential cost of its own revenue are silly. 99 times out of 100 they’d have done the same thing if they were in their shoes. Easy to talk when you would have no $$$ at stake. People overestimate their own morals on a routine basis.
Just like folks who overestimate their contribution to this chat board. You’re a silly man if you think this decision was made based on $$$.
Most decisions revolve around money. Not sure which currency your alternative reality runs on.
Case in point, if the Indians had actually cared about this issue—I’m not suggesting they should’ve but if they had—a name change would’ve happened years ago. It happened now because they see going along with a name change as a more profitable route than facing the backlash from certain woke individuals.
It’s neither common nor business savvy for a 100 year old institution to change their name; they may change their logo but not their name brand. This is solely a political appeasement to the woke fairies. You are mistaken if you think this move will generate more $$$ for the organization, on the contrary, this will discourage proud fans from spending more $$$. Unfortunately, even sports has been tainted by this woke filth.
Alliterative names usually sound best. Cleveland Cockroaches would have been dope.
How lame.
The Audubon Society is suing the Angelos family because they they are offended that their birds are associated with the Baltimore baseball team.
Some of My comments have shown up in the wrong feed, the server can’t take some of them, and this app has crashed 3 times because of all the commenting
LAME
Only clicked on the post because a) I was curious if they’d actually allow comments on it and b) assuming they did allow comments, I wondered just how many folks would comment on this. Needless to say, I wasn’t disappointed. I guess my over/under of 600 comments was far too conservative.
The fact that so many people let themselves get worked up about stuff like this one way or another is too funny, especially when that often borders on extreme polarization, biasedness, and downright obsession. One of the most commented posts in the history of MLBTR is, when you think about it, rather inconsequential in the end. It’s a name change. Big deal.
Of course, such polarization is why politicians and businesses end up doing what they do in the first place. We feed the beast, then complain when the beast makes us angry. If nobody cared about this on either side of the fence or, better yet, only cared about the stuff that truly matters in regards to such topics, changes like this would be few and far between. Now, there is money to be made on both extremes and the sheep play right in their hands.
I don’t even have a dog in this fight frankly; I find the fake woke types to be just as insufferable as the folks who think real racisms falls under the catch-all umbrella of political correctness. It kind of reminds me of the “anti-mask at all costs” and “you need to wear masks and stay inside 100% of the time” factions. Just so little common sense or emotional acuity across the board.
Guardians is a dumb name to go with, though. Sorry, Indians fans. You deserved better.
So if Cleveland is going to do this, shouldn’t Atlanta follow as well?
I was wishing today was April 1st and this was an April Fool’s joke. Guardians sounds weak and not very intimidating. I would’ve been more excited about Cleveland Rockers or at least the Spiders.
Cleveland is already the butt of jokes, this will definitely not help. 1948 will be the last time the World Series was won by a team called the Cleveland Indians.
#tribefanforever
They should’ve at least let season ticket holders choose from a curated selection of passable names. The way this was done is a bad look, especially given the end result.
Ha ha… the Cleveland Guardians, guarding the Al central basement since ’22. That’s off the top of my head, and just to show the new name stinks.
isn’t guardians of traffic just a fancy name for a crossing guard?
That’s a horrendous choice.
I just got back from my favorite sub shop and I am never going there again! I always order a turkey and provolone sub but they changed the name to provolone and turkey. Probably trying to appease the vegan customers. Oh, it makes me so mad.
Why do you like your own comments?
Low self esteem, more than likely.
Well, I wouldn’t make them if I didn’t like them. So there’s that.
Good answer, you get a like from me.
Hey Prospectnvstr, I think you mean the “lost loved ones” (who died more than a century and a half ago – so you must miss them terribly…) who fought for preserving the institutions of mass kidnapping, and the torture of human slavery.
You poor aggrieved soul.
So they’re still called the something something “dians”…
Can reuse a lot of things and just have to change a few letters…
It;s interesting that they changed their name, but made the feathers in the logo reminiscent of a indian headdress. The Karen’s are not going to like this.
Why name the team after Curtis Sliwas’ Guardian Angels? The Cleveland Guardian Angels?
I will never not call them the Indians. The new name is trash, and there was no reason to change it.
So, does this mean that when/if Syndergaard leaves the Mets, he goes to Cleveland?
As for the name, it needed to change. Atlanta’s does too.
I’ll try to get used to Guardians though. For some reason I think the name selection of “Guardian” has something to do with an algorithm more than it has anything to do with Cleveland. How long before a team gets renamed as some other algorithm name?
Nope, Atlanta’s name is just fine. Thr cancel culture garbage is getting old and ridiculous.
Seems like we some “educated” people posting who have drank the woke cool aid. Keyboard warriors exibiting their passive aggressive behavior. Unnecessary rage. Go and change the world!
Kind of a stupid and generic name but can’t get much worse than the old one lol.
You guys really should’ve had common sense and turned the comments off on this once instead of letting the racists run wild. Jesus christ.
You shouldn’t use the Lord’s name like that, homie. And there’s no racists running wild on this post. Go fish somewhere else, loser.
Not everyone believes in your sky wizard.
I can see the Guardians dynasty now.
2041: Guardians over Pirates
2042: Guardians over Nationals
2044: Guardians over Reds
2045: Guardians over Dodgers
Next scalp up for us SWJs:
mumbaiindians.com/
Not only do these racists still use the Indians name (with NO plans to bend the knee and change it), Netflix (the clearly racist Bay Area US based big media conglomerate) actually made a documentary supporting these alt-right neonazis! When will this end, our work for equity goes on!
Loser
What’s this nonsense about the Grand Rapids Rustlers?! Cleveland was a charter member of the American League in 1901!
This country has really gone in the toilet when you’re calling a professional sports team “The Guardians”. What’s the logo going to be? An old man walking his granddaughter to school?
That name is gay..oops did I offend anyone..
Not me. “The Guardians” sounds like a bad 60’s folk trio.
Total Bullcrap.
I blame arachnophobia for this lame team name.
Can someone actually point to the copious amounts of Native Americans that are offended by the Indians name? Or is this another one of those instances for which liberals and people on social media put words into other people’s mouths and act as if they speak for the majority? Guaranteed most people who wanted the name change or actually like it don’t even follow baseball at all, much less a team from Cleveland.
I liked the Cleveland River Fire, but I like the Guardians too. Clevelanders know the reference to the bridge.
And it is fun to see how much it infuriates angry old white men. Over 1,000 posts over a name change. LOL
See everything in race do you? We call that RACIST
How about the “Cleveland Engines”? Kind of a cool name and almost sounds like “Injuns” but not really. Everyone goes home a winner.
Yeah! Stick it to the WOKE bum! Love it!
Old men remember the storied legacy of this team. The problem is that you don’t.
I guess they didn’t want to go with the Steamers.
Steamers who have been good
I’m cool with changing the Indians name but Guardians is really the best they could come up with?
Guardians of the Galaxy? What’s wrong with that?
Instead of Star Wars Night, they can have Guardians of the Galaxy Night.
Came here for the comments.
Was not disappointed.
Stupid woke weak aholes.
What Bullshit this is. Just another organization crippling our sports so it can be WOKE. Well, wake this up Cleveland. Chief Wahoo is alive and well and you’re still the CLEVELAND INDIANS regardless of what BLM, ANTIFA or any of those Anti-American Communist Organizations think.