The Indians announced in a video package on Twitter this morning that their new franchise name will be the Cleveland Guardians. It was reported last night that a decision had been reached and an announcement could be forthcoming. The name change will formally go into effect after the 2021 season.
The franchise announced early last July that a name change was under consideration, and by December it had become clear that the organization would move forward with a new name in the near future. The team selected “Guardians” from a list of nearly 1200 initial possibilities and has provided some insight into its selection process in conjunction with today’s announcement.
The new “Guardians” moniker is a nod to the eight sculptures along Cleveland’s Hope Memorial Bridge, referred to as the “Guardians of Traffic.” The name has been among the reported favorites for some time now. Others that were popular speculative possibilities included the Spiders (a callback to the late-1800s Cleveland baseball franchise) and the Rocks or Rockers (a nod to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame).
It’s not the first name change in franchise history — far from it — but it is the first in more than a century. The franchise was founded as the Grand Rapids Rustlers in 1894 and very briefly changed its name to the Lake Shores upon moving to Cleveland in 1900. After a series of one-year stints for Lake Shores, Bluebirds and Broncos, the team renamed itself the “Naps” — after star infielder Nap Lajoie — from 1903-1914.
The “Indians” moniker has been in place since that time. There were inklings of change on the horizon long before the announcement of a forthcoming name change. The organization phased out the former “Chief Wahoo” logo from its caps, jerseys and official merchandise beginning in 2019, and talks about potential names and/or branding changes predate that logo’s departure by several years.
“We are excited to usher in the next era of the deep history of baseball in Cleveland,” owner/chairman Paul Dolan said Friday morning in a press release announcing the change. “Cleveland has and always will be the most important part of our identity. Therefore, we wanted a name that strongly represents the pride, resiliency and loyalty of Clevelanders. ‘Guardians’ reflects those attributes that define us while drawing on the iconic Guardians of Traffic just outside the ballpark on the Hope Memorial Bridge. It brings to life the pride Clevelanders take in our city and the way we fight together for all who choose to be part of the Cleveland baseball family. While ‘Indians’ will always be a part of our history, our new name will help unify our fans and city as we are all Cleveland Guardians.”
Wtf
You’re next. Get ready for the Atlanta Acrobats or something just as dumb.
Hahaha
If they were called the Steamers, then they could have used that emoji as their mascot. But that might have offended the crappy people.
Actually, Guardians is okay. Kind of generic, but I think they leaned heavily toward the inoffensive names.
The English language is full of inoffensive but interesting names. Was the Spider Anti-Defamation League waiting in the wings with pitchforks and torches if they picked that one?
“Guardians” sounds like it could have been a rejected XFL or AFL team name.
well it is an XFL name…
I think it actually was an XFL team name. Lol
Or maybe… just maybe Indians and Chief Wahoo was offensive and it isn’t just about the word but the lack of cultural responsiveness to
indigenous communities who complained about it for decades
Yeah. My brother just pointed out to me that there was a New York Guardians XFL team before the league’s last collapse.
I was hoping for the ‘Floaters’
Or maybe the Cleveland Indians name was a salute and tribute to the first Native American Indian to play for the Cleveland Spiders Louis Sockalexis.
Now the Chief Wahoo part could simply be dropped or change it to Louis Sockalexis’s nickname Deerfoot of the Diamond.
I don’t know. Wasn’t that kind of revisionary history to cling to the Indians name?
Wasn’t that the name of Keanu Reeves’ team in The Replacements?
….nah, it was the Washington Sentinels, which would be hilarious if that is the future of the Washington Football Team, including jerseys and risque cheerleaders.
….wait, thinking they just had a bad harassment lawsuit from the cheerleaders against executives, nevermind that last part.
Trade Fiasco. My first team I ever played for was called the Indians. My high school team were called the Warriors. Those teams don’t exist anymore. That’s part of my identity. Im sure lifelong Indian fans feel the same way.
Im an Angel fan. The Angels have gone from Los Angeles, California, Anaheim, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim back to Los Angeles Angels. The constant is Angels. It”s the only constant. The team is part of my identity. If you are a long time baseball fan you get this.
This woke period will never stop until people say enough. As long as people keep capitulating, this will never stop.
The other constant is losing.
Actually, the woke people are zombies marching to the beat of the liberal news networks.
Now it’s time to rename the New York Yankees. That name offends those of us who lost loved ones who fought for the South during the Civil War.
HalosFan you are seriously out here saying that playing for a team named the Indians makes that “part of your identity” with a straight face huh
Inoffensive? White imperalists steal land from the docile indigenous natives, then they erect statues of “white guardians” to show their white superiority and you dont find that offensive? To make the innocent and so docile natives fear of ever returning to their once magnificent land stolen by white imperalists. Should I start on the bigoted name “Cleve – land” now?
It’s the name of a sports team, and in 100 years no one will know or care what it was called – sort of the same as the Cleveland Spiders.
Or maybe a real racist would be happy they are no longer called the Indians. Has your feeble mind ever thought that?
I agree Cleveland Guardians sounds lame, but Cleveland Guardians of the Galaxy sounds pretty cool right. You get to guard the galaxy and you get to play in Cleveland. How cool is that?
I am not a fan or keen on the movies, just like the name.
Docile? You may want to read up on how “docile” they were with any other tribes besides their own.
But yeah, white man evil bla bla bla, says the npc Twitter troll.
People like are the reason nobody can enjoy things. You are ruining comedy because you can’t decide which gender you are and want to change the name of a team because it’s offensive to people that don’t even realize they are offended by it.
Only a racist person would think playing for a team called the Indians as a child was racist. Only a racist would think the name Cleveland Indians is racist.
Angels are offensive to non-believers therefore shall be the next name changed…..then PETA will jump in with the animal mascots, the the cancel culture will Cancel all sports or the concept of wins and losses as it’s not very nice.
team mascots repeat, friend. “what?!? there are TWO cardinals teams in pro sports?!?! WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT COLLEGE?!?” settle tf down
Halo fan:
Is that a serious post?
You say that those names are part of your identity, hilariously and ironically ignoring the people whose actual heritage and identity is being exploited.
I’m sure indigenous people really feel for you “lifelong baseball fans”, must be really tough!
And yes, as long as we keep considering the rights and feelings of others, this won’t stop. Although that’s part of being a decent human, respect for others, so I’m not sure what you’re after here.
guardians of traffic. if youve been to cleveland you get it. if you havent then they prob dont care if you think it sounds lame. glad to have ya here
Haighwiser: interesting logic…you do know that India is on another continent, right?
They’re native Americans, Indians live in India and have nothing to do with them.
Your logic is flawed.
condescending to other ethnicities by treating them as pre-school children who need to be protected from everything – including rough humor – as though they are incapable of being Joe Regular Redneck over a beer with ME, while thinking you ridiculous, is the HEIGHT of white patriarchal presumption.
You mean the Rebels who fought against flag and country to maintain the evil institution of Slavery? Those relatives?
Since when is disloyalty celebrated?
At the time of creation both Cardinals teams were from the same city that may have played into the baseball Cardinals allowing the same name
Innocent? Docile?
Less effective, maybe.
The word Yankee may come from the Cherokee word eankke, which means coward.
-National Geographic
The angels are offended by LAA’s minimizing their importance. The angels will likely litigate as more and more become aware of the offense and come forward to testify.
You don’t get it. It’s never going to stop. People like you will always cry about something. You are insatiable. You have to believe in something and that something are ridiculous things like this.
Oh stop.
OMG the ignorance on here is astounding. Google the words Spanish Conquistadors and educate yourselves on the true colonization of America.
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White, black, brown, etc. – whatever race came here doesn’t matter – at no time in history has an indigenous people held onto their native lands in 1st (or even 2nd) world countries. From the Miao aboriginal people of China to aboriginal Australians, native people have been conquered.
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Does that make it fair? No. But divide and conquer has been a human trait for thousands of years.
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If Native Americans are truly upset by the use of the Cleveland Indians name, okay, it makes sense to change it. But to attach the use of the name Indians to white supremacy is ridiculous.
I’ve been saying that for years…
I’m related to Blackbeard & I find the Pittsburgh Pirates to be offensive.
How dumb can we get?
Um … no one considers the name “Angels” to be racist. Kind of a big difference there.
Thats a good way to put it
You are ignorant. You don’t think one tribe of Indians didn’t defeat another and end up with their land? Let’s not pretend Native American people were peace loving people who suddenly became victims. If this is woke then wake me when it’s over.
When will Chicago change their name to murderers? How’s that for woke?
bhambrave, The New York Cowards! That’s hilarious!
A little. The Warriors more. I felt sick when my school changed their sports team name. And the Angels absolutely are a part of my identity. I imagine many Indian fans feel the same way. I know when your group has finished with the Braves you’ll come after the Angels and maybe even the Padres.
You’ll never stop.
As a former draft dodger, how can you write off the Los Angeles Dodgers?
This is stupid, you can find anything woke about any team. STOP!!!
Still have the San Diego Padres and Minnesota Vikings, with mascots.
Docile? Lol you’re a moron. Go read a history book. The Native Americans were masters of guerrilla warfare. The most extreme and brutal warfare imaginable excluding chemical warfare. That’s just one example. Yes, their land was stolen but calling them docile is flat out wrong.
Yes, us evil white folk could learn a thing or two about the docility and kindness of Native Americans.
npr.org/transcripts/136438816
qz.com/374994/aztec-sacrifice-was-real-and-its-not…
It’s the liberal world we live in unfortunately. Everyone wants white people to be ashamed of being white which is the most idiotic thing of ever heard of in my life. Don’t listen to what the liberals feed you
substitute “white” for Zionist & wake up….
Hey Prospectnvstr, I think you mean the “lost loved ones” (who died more than a century and a half ago – so you must miss them terribly…) who fought for preserving the institutions of mass kidnapping, and the torture of human slavery.
You poor aggrieved soul.
Sorry your loved ones were a bunch of treasonous losers.
I’m surprised at this site allowed any comments usually they’re not allowing people to come and such controversial issues. It just goes to show you if you scream loud enough no matter what the facts are to the case people will wilt when it comes to the almighty dollar. Yet they’ll call the Cleveland Browns the Cleveland Browns but we know what that’s all about that as racist as it gets Browns please
Sorry your namesake is a loser, in fact all Marxists are treasonous losers
Wow a PHD using the phrase treasonous ” loser “. Most have been Trump U ? More like a weak insecure boy who is trying to get some morsel of validation .
More projection from Marko. Sad.
Seriously you alt right crowd must have a playbook. You all use the same phrases and deflection tactics. Have secret handshakes as well?
Yeah, left wing lunatics like you never use the same phrases.
Google search ‘self-aware’ and ‘hypocrisy’, it may be of assistance to you in situations such as this.
You people really are terrified by change aren’t you ! People like Tucker Carlson laugh all the way to the bank. I bet you even donated to the Trump fund last winter after the election. And you call anyone left of center sheep? LMAO
Left wing lunatics lol. How’d that Capitol riot go for you right wing boys?
Every single thing you just wrote is a leftist talking point. Do you lack the ability to come up with a SINGLE thought of your own?
@marko, I know you are the intellectual equal of Einstein, but I used ‘treasonous loser’ because @Trotsky used it…i’m throwing his words back at him. Please try to keep up, man. Maybe the manbun is too tight.
I’m sure you came up with everything by yourself and totally don’t parrot anyone else… Lol bro take a look at this thread, it’s almost all right wing talking points. Do yourself a favor and look up “self aware” and “hypocrisy” on google. It might help you out in situations like this.
Why did you assume their gender? Stop being such an ignorant bigot.
Manbun? Lol you righties really are full of cutesy catch phrases aren’t you. Isn’t it time you get your nightly Tucker indoctrination?
Lol there’s an example right there. Anytime I say bro to some right wing cuck all they say is some sarcastic BS about “How dare you assume my gender?” Zero originality like everyone else.
@trotsky and @marko, you guys are hilarious. You must be a blast when you’re out trying to pick up girls, or do you do that whole online dating thing? Maybe LARPing?
Hmm now why would a PHD worry in the least if we have game or not. Keep trying boyo.
I’m married.
How so? So they named their team purposely after an oppressed people. Maybe they named the team “Indians” because there we’re Indians.
About as well as Blm tearing the hell out of everything.
The Capitol riot was a disgrace and everyone knows it. But the political left SUPPORTS the violence on its side. Go ahead, Trotsky, let’s see you condemn the leftist violence. But you won’t, you’ll try and justify or deny it.
The NFL Cardinals began in Chicago not Saint Louis.
That’s hilarious. Little soyboy beta male calling someone else a cuck.
Found the incel.
What is the “political left” and how am I a part of that lol? Is that different from the political right that acts likes right wingers haven’t committed mass shootings? You can talk about broken windows all you want but the so called “political right” have dead Sikhs, dead Jews and dead black people on their hands. All those poor windows that the the “political left” murdered.
You’re pathetic. And 100% brainwashed. Seek therapy limp wristed crybaby.
Don’t Guards keep people from escaping places? Like prisons? Clearly a racist name.
The Indians wasn’t even meant to be a permanent choice, as lifelong Clevelander Anthony Castrovince noted in his column:
The Indians name was not supposed to stick.
“The nickname … is but temporarily bestowed,” wrote the Cleveland Plain Dealer, “as the club may so conduct itself during the present season as to earn some other cognomen which may be more appropriate. The choice of a name that would be significant just now was rather difficult with the club itself anchored in last place.”
“Don’t Guards keep people from escaping places? Like prisons? Clearly a racist name.”
The fact that you associate prison exclusively with minorities is a dead giveaway that you’re a white racist. In 2017, the prison population in the US was 33% black and 30% white.
Lmao
That they are
The team was literally named the Indians, because the first Native American player played for Cleveland.
Come to Anaheim for the Guardian Angel game!
exactly This just shows how soft the MLB has become , All 3 major sports are losing revenue at an alarming rate due to they’re liberal political stance , Sport’s will Never be as big a draw as they used to be, my son-in-law was in the MLB for 6-7 yrs made $16mil. before career ending injury both him and myself don’t watch MLB games anymore we cancelled our subscription’s after theyre views on BLM (terrorist group) he still has friends in the league but we dont follow sports as a whole anymore because we are conservative republicans like the majority of fans..
Braves will follow the path of florida state and find a way to honor native Americans there for allowing them to keep the name. It’s been done and will be done again for Atlanta.
Holding onto ignorant traditions like chanting and chopping is pathetic… nothing about the Atlanta Braves will ever be honorable to Native Americans
Oh, boo hoo.
Braves DO follow the path of FSU and continue to honor Native Americans/local tribes. mlb.com/braves/community/native-american-community — I believe last weekend they had a special honoring at Truist of local tribes and I know and there’s a dedicated place at Truist Park that educates the fans about the local tribes and their lineage.
They have regular dialogue with a council of local/regional tribes, which is how they stopped encouraging the “tomahawk chop” rally – that continues only because fans are leading (and not Braves production team members).
I don’t doubt that eventually the name may be changed (to inevitably something bird-related: Hawks, Falcons, Thrashers, etc.) — but it most likely won’t be because of Native Americans.
Braves do not participate in the chant. They stopped leading a chant (playing a drum over the PA) and now fans lead it. I could be wrong and they could have changed something, but they’ve been very intentional in stopping some of the things that were discouraged during regular meetings with an alliance of the team and local/regional tribes.
Oh I see. So they must seek approval from the indigenous community? Do they all vote on that like they do with their casinos, or is it the tribe chief who approves?
If native Americans as they do with florida state seminoles take the name in honor while the braves celebrate the heritage what’s the problem??? Florida state chops and chants and was given the blessing by native Americans. Get over yourself
The chant started in 1991 when Deon Sanders played for the team. The team stopped it. It won’t take long for the fans to drop it as well.
If the Braves drop the s, then the name refers to a worthy personality trait and not to a specific ethnic group.
The way this league is trending, they should drop the S and add NOT to the beginning, or just go with the P word and be done with it.
No need to seek approval. I don’t ask a Steelers fan if it’s ok to take a crap essentially passing one of their ancestors daily.
But liberals do ruin everything #lookatbiden
The chop or chant or whatever it is continues because the fans are ignorant and the team name is still Braves…. Would the fans continue this behavior if the name was changed?
The Braves do participate in the chant… they allow a percentage of ignorant fans to hold onto this awful tradition by simply keeping the name….. If the name was changed the chant would stop? Does the alliance with local and regional tribes also include the exchange of money, tickets, merchandise, privilege at the stadium or with the players, etc? Do a limited number of Native people benefit from the alliance while silencing those who don’t?
The new team name sounds more appropriate for a newspaper. The Cleveland Rockers might have been a better choice with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame also in town.
If the Atlanta Braves want to change back to the minor league name that had before the Braves moved there, they could be the Atlanta Crackers again.
Interestingly, that was the home team until the Milwaukee Braves moved to town. They liked Crackers so much it was the name of 2 teams: Black Crackers and Crackers.
Oh boy, times have changed in The New South.
Crackers, great idea, that wouldn’t offend anyone…………..wait a minute
Guardians?! #free Brittney!
Lol, not happening. The Braves have the full backing of the Cherokee nation. That name isn’t going anywhere. See Florida state seminoles.
But are the white liberals ok with it? They will decide if natives are offended by something.
Ugly name but you Cleveland fans just bailed out the Ray’s as the franchise with the worse logo in mlb.
If the name “Indians” bothers people, I can’t believe they are ok with a stadium full of fans in Atlanta doing that ridiculously annoying chop thing while imitating a caricature of Native Americans with that lame chant. Personally, I could not care less bout ny of these them names, I just find that Braves chant to be obnoxious.
about any of these team names*
people need to get a life. guardians is as stoooopid as it comes
Could be worse…they could have decided to go with something like Pelicans.
They copied the US space force? What happens when they are offended?
joke or not, no one’s making that connection for real.
I’m Groot
For the next hour, anyone making a comment in favor of the name change will get 2x God Points and 2x Internet Cool Points.
Most of them don’t believe in God.
More woke bs. What a stupid name. If I was an Indians fan I’d be embarrassed. Frankly as an American baseball fan I’m kind of embarrassed anyway.
Oh give me a break.
I’m embarrassed that you are embarrassed. The Indians name needed to go. Guardians sucks but you gotta be kidding me with Indians.
In what ways is indians something that needed to go? I’m guessing with your logic we should get rid of Braves and Blackhawks just because they reference people that are indigenous to that area as well? Liberals ruin everything
people that say “liberals ruin everything” are the type of people with carpeted showers. just stfu its a damn game yall
Why don’t you stfu?
glad YOU arent a fan of the team 🙂
‘guardians”of what?
Of Traffic!!
…and the low spark of high heeled boys.
The Cuyahoga River. They’re making sure it doesn’t catch on fire again.
The Dolan families bank accounts.
That’ll be “Cravesfan”
The name is lame. But that logo is ridiculous. Any guardians of traffic fans excited to buy some team merchandise?
Good for them for changing the name but Guardians is brutal.
Why? The actual people supposedly offended werent.
And were you the one polling “the actual people supposedly offended?”
It’s a nickname that does belong in a time/era that is long gone. Time to move forward in life/the world
From the guy who is a self proclaimed Sheep.
What do suggest, The Cleveland Woke?
shoulda gone with Comacheros or Vikings
Yes. Literally look it up. The favorite teams of actual Native Americans are the Indians, Braves, Chiefs, and Redskins according to polling data. Native Americans largely aren’t offended by any of these names. Woke white women and you are.
Bam.
Somebody yesterday suggested Cleveland Karens.
*ComaNcheros
If you are more offended at this than Indians, you are part of the problem.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
Just saying if you would take time to research before spewing the woke NPC lines then you would know….
@Nuanced Jamesian;
LOL
Great!
But in keeping with the social media / uneducated users of today:
Cleveland Carens…..or maybe……
Kleveland Carens.
That polling data is skewed by anyone who self identifies as Native American. Not tribally enrolled members or community members. Look to the number of Native orgs like National Congress of American Indians or the number of sovereign tribal nations that supported the change or the fact the Amanda Blackhorse a Navajo woman stated the Nit Your
What problem is that? Not toeing the liberal line? Eh comrade?
Not your Mascot movement*
These clowns can’t. Clinging to the past with all their might because change and the future scares them, makes them wet their pants./ panties .
Ohh…good comeback!!
Again, not understanding the full context of the nickname..which I do not expect people to understand here, but judging without knowing the context “Prov”
Indians were what 8% offended I believe in the Washington post poll several years ago. Journalist were 99%, and white women with some form of liberal arts degrees were 95%. Fangraphs staff was 100%
No..just wake up to the times…it’s not 1960 anymore…or 1860..
What’s your source? Where shall I look this up? What do I Google?
As I was saying… the poll was self identifying as Native. Not enrolled tribal members or people living on the reservation or in indigenous communities. The pill didn’t go into places like Pine Ridge and go door to door asking people without broadband and phone lines … so there is no way that survey has any sense of what goes on in indigenous communities. I am someone who’s job it is to survey just one Native community. I do it twice a year and just in that one community we rarely get sufficient results because Indigenous Peoples tend to have a rough history trusting people asking them questions
“Native Americans largely aren’t offended by any of these names. Woke white women and you are.”
@ Catuli Carl;
Correct.
I worked with a number of native American Indians in LA. They loved Chief Wahoo. Said that Indians caps were worn proudly on their reservations.
BTW – the drawing of Chief Wahoo was commissioned by Indians owner Bill Veeck, post-WWII. Bill Veeck is the same guy that bought the first black player into the AL – Larry Doby, and shortly thereafter an aging, legendary, funny Satchel Paige.
Today Bill Veeck is regarded by the history-revisionist leftist morons as a “racist”.
Literally look it up… hundreds of Sovereign Tribal Nations and Native Organizations who represent indigenous communities came out in support of the change. Who did they actually poll for their Native American data? Unless they went around to all 600 reservations where many don’t have phone lines or broadband there is no practical way to do this sort of survey…. And I work as a community development planner for tribe. I do surveys with indigenous peoples all the time. It’s hard enough to do one in a single community much less across 500+ nations
Never understood the association with communism and liberalism…. actually polar opposites.
But also understanding how polling data works is important and understanding how spread out, rural, isolated indigenous communities make it nearly impossible to do national surveys. This poll is based on self identified as native and not based on tribal enrollment which means any one who claims indigenous ancestry can have a vote which isn’t the same thing as people who are actually enrolled and community members of a Native community. If you took the time to research ins the ad of finding a survey that confirms your bias then you would know…
Jays
Most have no clue what liberalism or communism really is. No clue about the ideologies or historical context.
They are scared of any and all change, and terrified the world will pass them by. ( which it will )
Vast majority of Americans think socialism is the same as communism and Democratic Socialism equals Venezuela. That way they don’t have to use their brains.
Did you know: During election season, pollsters don’t actually ask questions of every single American, but rather ask a subset to gather data about the group? The notion that you would need to hear from every single Native American in order to come to a conclusion about the general view of the demographic is nonsensical.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
It is called right wing propaganda.
Beyond my back yard is a reservation. Two of my son’s friends are native Americans. They are not offended.
Every well adjusted human being on the planet knows not to take offense when no offense is meant. I’m mildly autistic and it affects every day of my life. Meaning I act differently. People comment on my quirks all the time, no offense is meant. People need to stop being so woke. It will never stop until people say enough.
So what socialism are you talking about.? Where does it work? It’s time to use your brain and realize it doesn’t work.
Nothing has brought more people more out of poverty than capitalism. Stupid Bernie commented on how well China is doing bringing its people out of poverty. They are doing it through economic capitalism. They are are a communist nation, but the economic engine bringing people out of poverty is capitalism.
So use your brain. I doubt you can.
@ mjpeez;
I’m sorry to burst your bubble……
But those commissions are not made up of people that in anyway represent the thinking of the majority of the people they claim to represent – anymore then those working in government agencies represent the thinking of the American people. Those people are primarily activists that make a career of taking care of themselves and their families by claiming to represent the wishes of people that had no say in their attaining a position.
Example – I have many black friends and acquaintances. All have made something of their lives, and have come from mixed backgrounds. They’re vehement in stating that in no way do people like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or MSNBC/CCC, etc. represent their thinking and that of their family members.
It’s called left wing propaganda. The left owns our education system, press, entertainment industry and the internet and you think people are heavily influenced by right wing propaganda?
You people think socialism is a good idea, that just shows you are the one that is brain washed.
Liberalism is generally meant as that American political philosophy, 1910 or so to current, best exemplified by the New York Times, the organ which shilled for the Soviet Union from 1920 up through the mid-80s. It’s greatest President, FDR, ran administrations filled with actual payroll Soviet spies. Two of its Presidents presided over the most half-assed wars in American history, resulting in vast swaths of Asians winding up fleeing from commies in make-shift boats or trapped or dead in commie North Korea. One of its Presidents allowed Soviets and their proxies to run all over the world unhindered, in the late 70s.
That party is the natural home of white idiots with daddy issues and Che Guevara posters on their dorm walls.
Are you jay refiner? You literally have the same name as someone on tcap. Meat rocket. Cmon.
Most Republican voters don’t know a single thing about politics
Liberalism was around long before 1910 America. SMH… Ever hear of the age of Enlightenment ? Or does that level of intellectual thought hurt your head?
“Liberalism is generally meant…” I wrote. That is a FAR different thing than what you’re talking about; and what YOU’RE talking about made its first and most important inroads to greater human liberty under Parliament, and Cromwell, and John Milton.
I’m mostly about liberty, as was the American founding. You are
Not.
Bill Veeck wanted to integrate baseball during WWII. So many stars left he wanted to fill a Roster with a Negro League all-star team. One of baseball’s great “what-ifs”.
You misspelled Democrat.
General implies the larger portion and your definition is so far off base it is ridiculous. Your other involving FDR comments well conspiracy theory much?
On a side note care to take a guess what political group tossed around the words marxist/communist /socialists as easily as modern day American conservatives? Don’t talk to me about Liberty boyo.
Nuenced seeing how you mention the 2 “Asian ” wars. Surely you know that Ho Chi Minh reached out to Eisenhower in hopes he would support the Vietnamese in the efforts to secure independence from France . He didn’t and we all know how that worked out.
People like you are the problem, Asfan. You can stop virtue signaling also. You’ve got like 30+ comments on this article saying the same thing repeatedly.
Ok. Let’s rename the New York Yankees. The name is offensive to those of us who lost our loved ones who fought for the South during the Civil War.
“Generally meant”, puffball, is generally understood to imply a definition most generally adhered to in current-day discussions.
And nothing conspiracy about it – we’ve got the Soviet documents. New Deal admins were splitting at the seams with paid Soviet operatives.
Finally, French Revolution was also an Enlightenment project – that’s pretty much where commies got started.
To paraphrase the editor in Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, “if the facts get in the way of the narrative, believe the narrative”.
You think what you think because you don’t *actually* think, but respond to whatever goo is intruded into your synapses by “experts”, having no critical faculty whatsoever, and not understanding that most human beings in any position of cultural importance whatsoever are absolutely full of ****, about just about everything; and you aspire to be one of them.
Sorry, it’s a pretty exclusive club, and I don’t think they’d let you in; but, you are
Useful to them.
Cleveland Cowards sounds better
You’re the problem dude
I suggested this in a thread yesterday but my favorite is the Cleveland Progressives as they play in the field of the same name and ask now helping to ruin sports and the rest of American society
You are well indoctrinated mein herr. That 20’s crowd in Germany would be proud. Oh wait there are those who are using the same tactics today. Identify a group to make the boogeyman, sow mistrust in MSM, tell the Big Lie. Seriously it is eerie the similarities . Only fools, the ignorant and the true believers can’t see it. Which are you?
This Ho Chi Minh, the lifelong Commie? Why should we have paid for the rope?
“at the time of the Versailles Conference, Hồ Chí Minh was committed to a socialist program. While the conference was ongoing, Nguyễn Ái Quốc was already delivering speeches on the prospects of Bolshevism in Asia and was attempting to persuade French socialists to join Lenin’s Communist International.[26]
In December 1920, Quốc (Ho) became a representative to the Congress of Tours of the Socialist Party of France, voted for the Third International and was a founding member of the French Communist Party. Taking a position in the Colonial Committee of the party, he tried to draw his comrades’ attention towards people in French colonies including Indochina, but his efforts were often unsuccessful. …
His articles and speeches caught the attention of Dmitry Manuilsky, who would soon sponsor his trip to the Soviet Union and under whose tutelage he would become a high-ranking member of the Soviet Comintern.
In 1925–1926, he organized “Youth Education Classes” and occasionally gave socialist lectures to Vietnamese revolutionary young people living in Canton at the Whampoa Military Academy. These young people would become the seeds of a new revolutionary, pro-communist movement in Vietnam several years later. According to William Duiker, he lived with a Chinese woman, Zeng Xueming (Tăng Tuyết Minh), whom he married on 18 October 1926.[31] When his comrades objected to the match, he told them: “I will get married despite your disapproval because I need a woman to teach me the language and keep house”.[31] She was 21 and he was 36. They married in the same place where Zhou Enlai had married earlier and then lived in the residence of a Comintern agent, Mikhail Borodin.”
Marko, isn’t what you are describing exactly what YOU are doing?
So you’re saying they are justified in their fear since the ‘world’ will pass them by? Wtf, does that even mean, since you are obviously so smart…also, today’s liberals are in no way actual liberals, they are mostly clueless or straight up Marxists. Which one are you?
You’re scared of opinions that don’t align 100% with your own, clown.
great thing is, that there are TONS of American zoomers who HATE everything Marko thinks, with a greater vehemence than I’ve ever mustered, and THAT is where the REAL war against the SJW crowd started.
All you idiots had to do was leave them be to play their games, but you could not stop your schoolmarm fascism, and they will pay you all back, sevenfold, in the coming years, I promise you that.
YOUR overreach is how we got President Trump to begin with. We’re perfectly happy to do it again, libs.
@jaysForDays
There is no association. People need to stop calling the majority of the left liberals because they are not. There are very few true liberals left and most are older..
The new movement is socialism and people who cling to this ideology should be called socialists not liberals.
Isn’t the purpose to lead the younger nations to the path of liberty and democracy? Oh wait that didn’t go so well with Cuba under Ike either did it.
The United States “ignored eight direct appeals for aid from the North Vietnamese Communist leader, Ho Chi Minh, proposing that Vietnam be accorded the ‘same status as the Philippines’—an undetermined period of tutelage preliminary to indepence.
Ever hear of the pentagon papers?
Thankfully he’s nothing like you.
Not at all. I am pointing out that several of the tactics of the Trumpist right are very similar to a group from a very dark period of human history. Not the least of which is fervently clinging to the supposedly “glorious “past.
Sorry to burst your bubble but these organizations and tribal nations are elected by their own communities. They are not the sort of talking head orgs you are referring to because unlike other ethnic groups indigenous s peoples are recognized sovereign nations and it is a violation of the federal trust responsibility of the United States to not consult with tribal nations and sovereign entities. It’s not the same thing as anyone taking on msnbc . These are not activit organizations they are governor if bodies of sovereign nations and as I said at the beginning the survey everyone refers to is inaccurate and didn’t go into federally recognized native communities and ask community members it’s just self identified however anyone wants to define themselves and there a lot of pretendian Cherokee princesses out there
I suppose you believe the big lie as well?
1- I am not American ( thankfully )
2- You people with half a brain should read Paul Kennedy’s “Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.
The term global overreach / and over stretch are very much coming into play .
The fact some of you cry so hard over something as meaningless in the big picture as a sports teams name goes to show how absolutely terrified you are. I apologize in my passion for name calling. I feel sorry for you, The World is changing and 1950 is never coming back.
Well said marko
“1- I am not American ( thankfully )”
had to give you a like on that one as I too am thankful for that
@marko, are you referring to me in your latest screed? Sorry, but you are sadly misinformed or naive or probably both. The progressive Marxists attacking many of our Amendments and the underpinnings of our constitution are the ones acting most like Germany in the 20s. Seek knowledge and use reason and maybe someday you’ll wake up.
I wasn’t but seeing how you jumped in. Here are the similarities ,
1- Identify a group to blame for all the countries problems ( A- Germany 20s- Socialists/Communists and the Jewish faith B- Mega Cons- Chinese/Radical Left/Socialists/Commies
2- Promote a false idea that the past was wonderful and they would return them to their rightful place. 20’s Make Germany great again. and well we all know what Maga stands for.
3- Both sowed seeds of “fake news”
4- Both sold the Big Lie
5- Both had a demagogue as leader
I could go on and on and on.
If you people do not see the danger in this then there really is no hope for you, I just hope you don’t drag the rest of the World down with you.
love it when people say “look it up” in their arguments like bro… youre saying it. show the man! lmao “hey dude for real look it up do your research just dont be “woke” ok? but for real dude just look it up do your research ask all my native friends seriously just look it up bro its there the facts are the numbers they are there just look it up bro” gd
@ Carl spewing generalities as a Cubs fan???? about the Indians changing their name looks real chicago of you. good on you bud! Bet youre a hit at those underground chicago parties amirite? #lookitup #ClevelandCatuliCarls #justlookitupbro #doyourresearchbrojustlookitup #CarlKnowsEverythingAboutWhatNativeAmericansLike #HeLookedItUP
Halofan: good god man, how ignorant can you be?
For years now (if not decades) the happiest people on earth live in Denmark, Sweden, etc which are socialist democracies!!!
That’s why they’re constantly referenced as examples of how successful adoption of more socialist constraints on capitalism can benefit a society…
Oh and that other tiny country…I think it’s called China? Has been doing pretty well, unless the republicans have been lying to us! Which we all know is impossible…
Nuanced:
Convenient that you don’t discuss the last 20 years of republican presidents lying to us to start unending wars all over the world, destroying the economy twice, being responsible for more American deaths than the civil war, making corporations citizens that don’t pay taxes but control the government, creating the widest wealth gap since the gilded age, oh and attempting to overthrow democracy…and the last one was Putin’s lapdog (wish he loved the USA as much as he loves Russia)
Basically, ya know, the stuff that’s important now, not your distorted (and BS) view of the more distant past!
News flash:
The soviets were our allies during WWII…nothing underhanded about them being in Washington as, again, they were our allies.
@marko, please do go on and on. None of the five fit. 1. Nazis were socialists and the blame game goes both ways today, very different than seizing private property and rounding people up 2. MAGA isn’t about 1950s, it’s about the idealistic founding of America and all its successes based on individual liberty. 3. Both ‘sides’ in America decry ‘fake news’ and objective journalism is dead 4. What is the Big Lie, something from the TYT? Never heard of it. 5. Trump is no demagogue, he just shined a light on the problems and didn’t back down like other leaders have in the past. Sorry, but when Trump is gone, we’ll all still be here. You may think you’re on the right side of history, but when progressive statists don’t like what you stand for, there will be nobody left to speak up for you.
Instead of the ‘right’ in the US, it is actually the pseudo-liberal progressives that bear most similar resemblance to Nazis. Taking away individual liberties and rights and doing things against individuals for the ‘greater good’ with an expected allegiance to the state fits perfectly for nazis in the 20s, as well as socialists and communists throughout the last two centuries. This perfectly fits the hopes and dreams of the progressive ‘democratic socialists’ of today. Your list was pure projection.
They were paid spies of the Soviets – Americans, mind you – doing the Soviet’s work.
Those are called, usually, traitors, except by libs, for whom they are idealists.
@marko, my reply to you is ‘awaiting moderation’, but needless to say, you are projecting. I gotta love the mods here at SJWMBPTR where marko is permitted to compare the ‘right’ in America to Nazis, but when I rebut this, it is my comment that gets moderated.
I’m sorry but when I taught college, I had lots of Native students — Navajos, Hopis, Kiowas, Apaches, etc. some of them were offended and some were not. What they disliked in general was the appropriation of their names, images, culture, etc. by people who neither understood nor cared about Native people and their cultures. Many found Washington Redskins offensive, but did not find the Red Mesa Redskins, a school I often pass on the rez, offensive. Why? Probably because the former was just an appropriation of a symbol by people who did not give a damn.
When I was growing up in an ethnically mixed working class neighborhood during the 60s and 70s, we all used ethnic slurs on each other. Little offense was taken. If you as an outsider tried it, it was not acceptable and we unified against you. (See the barbershop scene in Grand Torino.). Unfortunately, most Americans today are too stuck in their silos to understand or show empathy for others.
@chiefin_wahoos
Well if you can’t do it on your own, I’m happy to help assuage your ignorance:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/10/poll-of-n…
While not specific to the Redskins, a survey conducted in 2002 by The Harris Poll for Sports Illustrated (SI) found that 81 percent of Native Americans who live outside traditional Indian reservations and 53 percent of Indians on reservations did not find the names or images used by sports team to be discriminatory. The authors of the article concluded that “Although most Native American activists and tribal leaders consider Indian team names and mascots offensive, neither Native Americans in general nor a cross section of U.S. sports fans agree”
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
Also. if you think it’s so terrible, why is Chief Wahoo in your username? Are you some sort of colonialist genocide-loving white supremacist?
Aren’t the left the ones burning books and erasing history? Isn’t that more in like to what happened in Germany?
If you knew anything about history you would know I am far from projecting. PHD huh lmao yeaaah right.
No Pad I am not comparing the “right” to them. I am comparing the trumpists to them , and not the common people ignorant of history and political ideology but the leaders who use the exact same tactics to sow fear amongst their supporters. Calling a spade a spade.
@marko, you are showing ignorance of history with your ridiculous conflation in your previous list. It is a list of what the Marxist left is currently doing, so it is projection. Then again, you mentioned you weren’t American. Since many, in fact most, leaders sow fear, sadly, what country do you live in and who is your political ‘leader’? I’ll easily find some fear mongering on his/her part. Also, where is your doctorate from? Mine is from a top university in America and thankfully I was taught to research, use logic and reason, and think for myself, hence why I am not a indoctrinated progressive.
I am secure enough in my intellect and manhood that I do not feel the need to include my education in my nickname on a sports site where 99% could care less about someone’s education.
Projection you say? So it is the American left who coined the term Make America Great Again? The left who are fear mongering about the socialist agenda taking over . Seriously for someone with a supposed PHD from a top notch American university your grasp of History is at a high school level at best.
Next you will be trying to sell us that there really were WMDs in Irag.
The World is changing son as it has throughout history , clinging to the past will only not stop it. Now go howl at the moon if you want, throw a tantrum or whatever else you far right head cases do when you don’t get your way.
If you are an intellectual go read Paul Kennedy’s book ” Rise and Fall of the Great Nation.
Then again the truth and history scare you so best you don’t.
Correction the book is “Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. ” : Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 . Should warn you though it is 704 pages and does not have pictures. I challenge you to go read it.
@Marko, hahaha, yeah, I’m projecting and am very insecure. I am also grasping at the past, wah, where is my safe space. Truth scares me and I hide in the corner whenever some pseudo lib challenges me. This is of course, opposed to you that has displayed amazing intellect here and as to manhood, well I’m guessing you might just have a manbun and are trying to impress the ladies you are younger than the 68 in your title suggests you are (birth year).
Since I’m not ‘far right’, I guess I can’t go throw a tantrum, but I’ll let my friend who experienced chemical WMD PTSD from serving in Iraq, know that the manly and brilliant Marko says he is lying.
I’ll check out your book, but I’m waiting to hear where your degrees are from and who your political heroes are.
Are you sure about that? Look at the BLM movement which is liberal and supportive of the Cuban communists government.
That’s deep thinking there. Based on your probably talk to yourself a lot.
Well Mr Pad, seeing how you never really said where your supposed PHD is actually from I will tell you. I have an Economics degree from the London School of Economics and an MBA from INSEAD. My Political heroes range from Reagan on the right to left of center like the first Trudeau. Presently I am working in Singapore but I am Canadian
. I am vehemently against populist demagogues like Trump they are a real threat to Democracy. ( See Putin/Duterte/Erdoğan all who The Donald openly admired ) I really do think America could do better then Biden. I mean seriously a country with 330m and the best you can come up with are the likes of Sanders/Biden/Trump/Cruz and DeSantos? I mean seriously.
Ok big boy where are your degrees from? And who do you see as your political heroes.
@marko, wow thanks for mentioning your specific schools and they are both really good schools. I won’t disclose mine as I would be at risk for being canceled (very few people went to my schools, have the political philosophy I have, and happen to be a Padres fan), but they are both top 10 in US and I took some MBA classes while I was getting my PhD. You can make fun of me for not disclosing, but the risk of being canceled for my beliefs is not worth disclosing my identity on social media. You win.
As far as ‘heroes’, needless to say, Reagan is a hero of mine, too, but in general I don’t find many heroes in the political world. Rand Paul and Mike Lee probably the best of today’s group.
Interesting, years ago (like 10 years ago), i conversed with a smart, snarky liberal Econ guy working in Singapore who I think was from Canada…you been in Singapore since ~2010? Maybe I already know you, lol
I respect you not saying. No I have been here since 2014. Beautiful city, low crime , only a short flight in many directions to some of the best diving and/or beaches in the world but hot AF .
@marko, thanks. Diving and beaches are awesome, but I only get them when on vacation. Sounds like getting access to them all the time is worth the heat. Enjoy. Someday I hope to visit Singapore. Maybe after I finish Kennedy’s book. And I guess you didn’t grow up in Quebec if you’re a fan of PET, one might say he used a bit of fear mongering during one particular October. ✌️
The problem is people who currently self identify as liberals have been forced fed marxist propaganda for so long that they aren’t even classically liberal anymore. That doesn’t even start to get into how they’re now anti free speech, and pro assessing people off of immutable characteristics; two non negotiables that are clearly defined in classical liberalism. And the hate speech counter is a cop out; who decides what is hate speech, what are the parameters, and how exactly is it applied?
You do realize “Putin’s Lapdog” pur massive oil sanctions on Russia, that beijing biden just removed not too long ago? Let’s see what mental gymnastics you’ll use to rationalize this one away
Thank you bro. Best comment in this entire thread.
Really…I am more than offended and it is people like you that take something that is innocent and make it into something it is not or never was meant to be!
Naming a team after a race is just weird. The Chicago Caucasians, Atlanta Asians… How’s that sound? Not even mentioning the derogatory part of it. All the traditional boomers feelings are gonna be hurt but it’s a good move. Guardians tho? Meh.
Actually, the terms “Brave” “Chief” and “Seminole”, in particular, are hardly derogatory, but rather respectful.
The only people offended by this kinda stuff are these “woke” people who are just looking for something to be upset about.
As we having the Notre Dame fighting Irish and Minnesota Vikings still hanging around lmao.
What about the fighting Irish? Any issues there ?
Are you offended by the Irish and the Vikings?
Actually, it has more to do with the sports organization willingness to reach out to local indigenous communities and ask them how they feel. That’s why Spokane Indians will never change because the Tribe and the team have a strong partnership and use the team for cultural awareness instead of exploitation like Chief Wahoo or the Tomahawk Chop which are western civilization bastardizing Indigenous culture
I would be proud if a team name was named after my race.
Neither of those is pejorative and both are terms with which people identify. Bad example.
there is nothing pejorative about indians or braves, either, or chiefs
Nuanced, my comment was in response to Irish and Viking.
+ Celtics
Why aren’t all the steel workers protesting in Pittsburgh? The Vatican should be condemning that LA baseball team for mocking religion! The beer workers should boycott Milwaukee games! New York refuses to let the Civil War victory go, and upsets the South!
@newyorksoxfan The team Indians was named in honor of an actual Indian who was a respected member of their team. Do some research snowflake, wasn’t derogatory then or now. You sjw kids crack me up. Nobody cares about your feelings. And Boomers, hilarious comrade. Funny to see these kids on the news not even able to define what a boomer is lol.
just as a funny as watching a boomer post on facebook i guess. L O L silly sithdude star wars is a neat concept huh?
Guys, the Indians name is different than braves or chiefs because India is on the Asian continent and has absolutely nothing (save an old white dude’s mistake) with native Americans!
Get over it!
Nuanced:
India is on the Asian continent and has nothing to do with native Americans.
Come on man…
I have one but not a cannot the WHITE Sox
The actual people? Do we mean indigenous peoples? Like the Mavajp woman Amanda Blackhorse who started the Not Your Mascot movement or that all major Native American organizations supported the changes. If you want an example of the correct way to do it look at the Spokane Indians… they have a strong relationship with the local Native community and as a result the mascot is used as a tool to tie the non-native community and local Native community together. Not chief wahoo logo but a logo that utilize indigenous language
We have team names named after weather patterns and random animals who don’t understand sports. Human beings understand sports, and therefore naming teams after specific groups of human beings is just plain weird.
Lets not forget the Indians name waa chosen via a newspaper poll, has nothing behind it, no legacy, nothing. The Boston Braves were popular team and this merely copied it and took it to the next level. The entire original naming process was messed up to begin with.
Amanda’s fellow Native American’s don’t agree with her.
washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-na…
Navajo* woman Amanda Blackhorse
Not all human beings understand sports, just look at A’sFaninUK, for example
I can understand Redskins being offensive but Indians? Don’t think so
Agree. Well I’m off to my local Guardian casino, enjoy your day!
I’ll join ya!
i think grown adults who immerse their personalities to only identify with a fictional universe and then comment about sports teams changing their name while calling themselves “sithdude” is just so dang badass! like guardians aint got nothing on SITHDUDE !!
India is in Asia…
Guardians of the galaxy merch incoming
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You dont think fellow billion dollar corporations dont do crossovers? Where have you been?
We get it UK, you’re woke..
We get it, dotnet, you’re triggered. Turn off the computer, go to your safe space, and watch more Tucker Carlson while you nod your head at everything he says
We get it, idiotic replies to rational thoughts.
You’re an emotionally unstable mentally ill clown who lacks the ability to think for himself. No explanation is necessary.
Safe spaces are for your ilk, replies, not a conservative thing. Question: do you respond in any way other than by gaslighting?
Just like your great leader that hid in his basement from the scary rioters?
Yeah?
Let me know when you find an instance throughout all of history where someone kneeling is considered anything but showing the highest respect…
Find a real reason to be offended snowflake, but it’s so nice to know you couldn’t care less about marginalized groups…very patriotic of you.
Good comeback Cosmo. “No I’m not. You are.”
I’m a veteran and myself and my entire unit (consisting of whites blacks asians and latinos) find it offensive. So your entire argument is lost. Ignorant sjw…
Ballparks everywhere do stuff like Star Wars night and Superhero night. I’m pretty sure a multi billion $ national sports company can figure out how to license properties
Nothing flies over his head.
Good one!
Said no one
Gross.
wow.
That’s the best they could do?
I was sure it was gonna be the Cleveland Panderers.
So who are they guarding?
The realm of mediocrity.
Lmao
If you are more offended at this than Indians, you are part of the problem.
Then I’m proudly part of the problem. Go Indians!
How self-righteous.
The longest World Series draught
At first, I thought it said Pretenders. I had to take a double look your post.
That would be a good name for the Akron team, but that city was gone 40 years ago.
Trade Fiasco, nicely done.
I almost spit out my mocha when I glanced at that saying “Cleveland Panhandlers” I was thinking, wow, no need to bring their cripplingly depressed economy into it…
The GALAXY!!
Is Curtis Sliwa a part owner in Cleveland? Red berets instead of a cap?
I think Spiders would have been better. They will need to be creative with the logo and merchandise for Guardians
I agree. Change colors to black, silver and red. Logo could be some kind of ball in a web.
I think they wanted to avoid any major changes. Wanted to keep as much from their current team looks and appeals as they could it seems
Logo and colors already out
Spiders would have been great! Better logo, better mascot.
It will be interesting to see what the logo will be
not Commadores, but I like it
Commadores? And have Lionel Ritchie sing the National Anthem?
hey, it sounds good, they are near the lake, and have affiliates with simmilar names. perfect fit.
Would they still take a knee?
Cleveland Earth Wind and Fire
Commodore would be offensive to the woke military.
“Woke millitary”
Fox News NPC spotted
“NPC”
Virgin detected.
What can I say, NPC is a really good term. Repubs are the masters of projection so when they come up with an insult, it always describes them more than the person they’re insulting.
Google the word irony. The lack of self awareness amongst your ilk is just astounding.
thanks for proving their point, you dang internet hero!
Same goes for you, Mr. holier-than-thou, sitting in his ivory tower judging everyone.
They would have no ragrets with that name.
What Galaxy brains came up with this idea?
Worst name ever. They can change it to the dog pile, but there still the Indians
I challenge you to a duel
They’re**
I concur, the fans will decide the reality. No one I know in the NYC area calls the JFK and Mario Cuomo bridges by their new names; most people still refer to the Triboro and Tappan Zee bridges.
cleveland baseball fan here looking for new team to root for
bye.
Come to the Angels. We need all the fans we can get.
Be a Braves fan. While you can…
If you are more offended at this than the Indians, you are part of the problem.
Redundant much?
Wokey wokerton finally woke up to spread his woke opinions.
pretty sure that’s Wokey McWokerton. Wokey Wokerton has chops instead of sideburns.
“The team selected “Guardians” from a list of as many as 1100 initial possibilities”.. I can’t imagine the others 1099. Wakala”
Lol… Maybe the other options were simple words like “team”. You can just open a dictionary and point to a word and it may have been better
Man I definitely would of went with spiders over this…seems like they could have done better.
It couldn’t be the spiders. People with arachnophobia wouldn’t attend any games
I don’t get why any Cleveland fan would want their franchise to take up the name of the one with the most losing team in MLB history…one that got there with a massive player selloff during the wild west early days of baseball. Perhaps it is fading into history, but for a long time Cleveland Spiders was associated strongly with not just losing but tremendous failure.
That’s interesting, I didn’t realize that
lol terrible. Cleveland Baseball Team would be better.
no, it wouldnt. guardians of traffic statues are dope LOTR-esque and i think, as a cle fan, its pretty rad. “d-backs” sounds like “d-bags” and youre saying guardians is that bad? lol ok. thanks 4 playin
Spiders would have been much better IMO.
Should of went back to the Spiders
I wanted the Spiders too. What a joke.
I guess they were overcome by an attack of arachnophobia.
Yep
I guess they did not go with the Spiders because they were afraid someone would have been offended. These days you only need one person it seems like.
Yeah… that what it feels like
They offended a bunch of republicans lolol
Cey Hey made a new username “repliestoidiots” to avoid getting his main account banned lmao.
Same woke attitude Cey Hey displays. 0 comments from cey hey in thread.
No, I was DumbCommentResponder before that account got banned for some reason.
Nice try tho
Probably because you’re a pathetic troll who lacks cognitive dissonance.
HAHAAA best comment! #TooAccurate
thanks for your service investigative reporter. man you sound like a fun person to hang around 🙂
Sounds like you’re offended
So what happens with the Braves, Chiefs, Aztecs, Cherokees, Apaches, Rainbow Warriors, and any other Native American team name that at least person gets offended by? Are we to understand that those all are going to eventually change as well?
God I hope not.
If changing the Braves means getting rid of that lame, obnoxious “chop chant,” I support it completely.
Pretty easy to say as a white guy.
What color guy are you?
I am a white guy who is decent to say that coming from a member of a privileged, I am have zero perspective on the thoughts and feelings of oppressed people. So when a change is made to benefit people of other races that has absolutely no impact on my life, I applaud it. Sure the Guardians is a pretty whack name, but, for eff sakes, Indians? That is pretty flagrantly racist.
lol you’re a cartoon, keep drinking the commie koolaid, wow! Privileged, ya that’s a good one. I follow the law and worked my butt off to be successful, where’s this so called privileged? I want it! Should I apologize to the woman I wake up to each morning that I’m white and she’s not because the color of my skin is what counts over character? We are all Americans no matter the color of our skin. Separating races is in itself racists. You’re privileged comm$not is racist and divisive, you and your type are the problem.
*comment
hell yea you really got em with adding that asterisk so we knew you meant “comment”. friggin SITHDUDE dropping all the knowledge and witty slights on everybody! dude does the sith rule the chatroom too?!? you are on FIRE big boy! isnt star wars just like.. so cool?!?!?????
when your handle is “sithdude” and you call someone a cartoon in a derogatory sense, you lose one half of your saber. chat rules, bro.
Well said. Us white guys seem to be easily offended by losing the racist terms we came up with. Regardless of whether Indigenous community was okay with Indians or not this was the correct move. Braves and Chiefs should be next and should have already happened. It’s still the same team with a different name.
Except that it has been indigenous peoples for decades who have protested outside Cleveland games ever opening home opener and it was a Navajo woman who started the Not Your Mascot movement. It is indigenous people not woke white people who called for this change. It was the National Congress of American Indians and other such orgs. It’s completely ignorant to claim it was just a bunch of white people. There are other native mascots and native communities that support such mascots when it done correctly. I.e Spokane Indians in Washington actually have a deal with the local Native community and do things in a culturally spot way. There is a way to do this correctly and Chief Wahoo or the Tomahawk Chop are not the correct way.
The Braves have the blessing of the Cherokee tribes in Georgia. They won’t be changing their name.
God help us. Please, please stay in Canada. You seem like a nightmare of a human being.
Chiefs imagery may be in jeopardy, but not the name. Chiefs are named after “Chief” H. Roe Bartle, not after an “Indian chief”.
Does any of this actually atone for the genocide? Yeah, let’s hear it for The Empty Symbolic Gesture!!
It’s not racist if there is no intent to inflammatory. Just because someone takes a term as racist does not make it so. I mean the word queen is not inflammatory when referring to a female monarch, but it can be when referring to a gay man. Words are not inherently evil, they only have the power that the listener gives them.
We let a portion live. Not a genocide. In fact. A gesture kinder than they showed their fellow warring tribes. And throwing that G word around, the Moriori, Selk’nam, Zhungarians and others have a lesson or two you’ve yet to awaken to
Agreed. Racism is a willful pursuit. Not a passive, inherent, systematic, or otherwise neutrally perpetuated state.
Atone for genocide? Really? Many countries came to North America and conquered it. Just like many societies throughout history have done. Look at Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. it’s a sports team here that was named in honor of a respected member of the team lighten up.
The color of ones skin…the ethnic heritage of a person….or ones sexuality. Does it matter?? It matters only to the ignorant.
Give me a break. The same thing has happened over the course of the history of this planet. You don’t think the Native Americans did the same thing when they took over land? I assure you, someone was here before they were too. Plus, the things the Native Americans did to each others’ tribes were not pretty, so try not to act so indignant and read a little more. When the aliens come down and wipe us all out, it will suck, but it will be another example of the conquerors making the rules, which is how it should be.
when a sithdude tells someone else to “lighten up” in the chat room…. cant script this stuff!!! #AwaitingSithsNextComment – love this guy’s inability to understand everything is constantly changing and a team name for a baseball club in cleveland really isnt the problem and absolute doesnt matter in the least. guess CLE’s just lucky they didnt go the star wars route huh?!? LMFAO #SithLIfe #SithFever #SithLifeForever
I certainly hope so.
Of course they will. It may take some time, but eventually they will all change. This country has allowed itself to respond to everyone becoming so damn sensitive.
I wonder what Milton William Cooper would say.
Next, PETA will call for a boycott of the Trash Pandas on behalf of all the raccoons who don’t have a voice.
Cant give a voice to something that cant talk, but go off – we all know who you voted for….
Woke woke, woke woke woke woke. Wokest wokier that ever woked a woke.
cmon man, totally uncalled for
Dotnet
Are you 12? Get over your childish tantrum or go to your room , you are in time out.
Really, the things that some people get worked up over. It’s an effin’ baseball team! I guess I should be offended because Mr. Met is slightly cross eyed and is missing two fingers on each hand.
You’re one to talk, hypocritical troll.
you are hanging out in a baseball chatroom with a political handle. cant imagine all the cool things you do and cool friends you have and the such solid infrastructure in your life that you get your lil kicks from being a lil spicy conservative letting his hair down tellin em what he thinks SHOW US THE EMAILS giving it to the woke snowflake libs on a mlb trading site. yeah man, you are DOING. IT. RIGHT. sic handle, like sic witty. almost like its…. a ‘woke’ handle….libs rite bro?
You’re one to talk. Look at all the comments you’ve made here.
Such a sad, pathetic existence you must lead. I almost feel sorry for you, but your ignorance overwhelms any feelings of remorse I may have had.
You aren’t funny either, as you like your own posts, loser.
Just stop.
The redskins name was derogatory and racist and the Indians name was ignorant.
They are not Indians, they are native Americans. They were only called Indians because the first Europeans here though they landed in India.
The Aztecs seem to honor the history while the Indians and redskins did not
I’m certain I’ve been to an Indian Reservation. My wife is Cherokee Indian. The word Indian is not offensive.
Prov356, yes. Yes it is, to many. It is fine that it is not offensive to your wife.
Subjective dilemma it would seem…if one Native American is offended by the word but another is not…who has the final say on whether the word should be removed or not?
Should it not be the masses (not just a small group) in THEIR particular nations/tribes (not anyone outside of being Native Anerican) have the final (vote) say on the matter to make it GENUINELY fair?
The word Indian is quite common in Native communities…. Based on the context of its use, the word Indian is not offensive…. The Cleveland Indians team name is blatantly ignorant when you consider the context
Most Native Americans refer to themselves as Indians or Native American Indians.
But go off with your woke white savior complex.
But go off with your virtue signalling to your fellow right wingers.
This is correct.
Most Native Americans are probably more upset about the genocide against them that 90% of the country either doesn’t know about or justifies
really love how Carl continuously speaks for “most native americans” in the mlb trade rumors chat room. glad he was elected and appointed so we can all trust his wisdom when he says “just look it up”. thanks for being here Carl. your service is so honorable.
Great point Peter.
Florida State has a Seminole museum and learning center. Cleveland had an outrageous Chief Wahoo.
There are multiple ways to go about this. Cleveland did it the wrong way for too long, now needs to change.
If the name Indians is so derogatory and racist why do Indian Casinos, call themselves Indian casinos? I have never seen an Indian casino that calls itself a Native American casino.
They are next, correct. It’s time to stop naming pro sports teams after races of people.
Woke woke wokey wokey wokey woke.
you already said this, champ. too many RC colas for dotnet time for a lil nap tiger.
Does this mean the Cleveland Europeans was never on the table?
The Braves aren’t a race of people. Braves refers to the warrior class of a race of people. Big difference.
How long before Yankees is deemed offensive after it was used as a soldier profiler for the oppressive and colonial-enforcing government especially after ww2? And it’s association with the wealth that free market capitalism, specifically in NY, ie, WALL STREET! Yeah. Yankees is white and oppressive and needs to go too…
Plus Yankees is a reference to people who perform a sex act, gotta cancel that.
So what if they do?
Libtards control this country. It’s obvious.
Terrible. I feel sorry for Indian fans
You mean Guardians fans.
No.
If you are more offended at this than the racist Indians, you are part of the problem.
Woke wokey wokey woke woke bangers and mash woke woke. Bad teeth woke.
No, the problem is the establishment, woke, leftist cult that’s determined to destroy all culture and divide all Americans.
Cult? You want to talk about a cult? Who is the one that runs around in their pick up trucks with Trump 2020 flags in the middle of July?
The establishment is both right and left. You’re being played
Raff
Go look up which states have the lowest per capita GDP . You will see alot of Blue states. Ooops need the definition of GDP?
Triggered leftists such as yourself are much more cult like than ANY other group around.
Triggered leftists/commies/socialists. Can you guess which group tossed around those very same or similar names 90-100 years ago?
You do realize that your group is the one most like the National Socialist Party?
I love this lame argument from lefists. Even if red states receive more in federal welfare, it’s not going to Republicans. Those on public assistance, as well as long-term unemployment, are overwhelmingly Democrats.
The 10 states in the best fiscal condition are almost all red states. The 10 states with the worst numbers in the red are almost all blue states.
But again, keep spreading your bs propaganda.
You do realize one of the founders was a wealthy right wing industrialist and they put socialists in the name to try and gain broader appeal with the workers and unemployed WWI soldiers. . It was not overly successful as the night before AH became Chancellor – 100,000 workers marched in protest. Anything else you need clarification on?
@Raff – was that sentence a lil tough for you? lol damn. dont u dare touch my truck pard
@libs – dudes who come to sports chat room sites and think they’re changing the world by politically arguing with strangers on the internet about a sports team that changed their name. at least you’ve got self awareness going for you huh….. youve gotta be the coolest guy at VBS
Again, liking your own comments. How sad.
And you’re doing the EXACT same thing you berate him over. How do you not see how much of a hypocrite you are?
MarcoRock68 – Uhhhhh.
States with lowest GDP per capita in 2018 (newest data I could find)
Mississippi
Idaho
West Virginia
Arkansas
South Carolina
Alabama
Arizona
Maine
Kentucky
Montana
Florida
In ALL OF THESE STATES republicans controlled the upper statehouse, the lower statehouse in all but Maine, and the Governors Mansion in all but Montana, where the GQP had a veto-proof majority in the state legislature.
Now, the states with the most:
Washington DC
Massachusetts
New York
Connecticut
Alaska
Delaware
North Dakota
Wyoming
California
New Jersey
Washington
Just 3 of these 11 states (ok DC is not yet a state), Alaska, North Dakota, and Wyoming, voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 (none flipped). ND, WY, and MA (where the dem legislature could override the centrist governor’s veto) had republican governors, and AK had an independent governor, NY, CT AK, ND, and WY had GQP majorities in the upper house and ND and WY in the lower house. DC, MA, DE, CA, NJ and WA (a majority) where totally under Dem control, and only WY and ND where under Publican control.
This is google knowledge: Democratic states have better economies.
So weird
Watch them get sponsored by Guardian Insurance. What a ridiculous name!
I was hoping they would get sponsored by Ing financial and be the Cleveland Ing
Progressive is the name of the field and h.q. outside of Cleveland but nice try in this discussion.
guardians of traffic is actually pretty dang LOTR-esque and rad. ppl not from cle wont get that and thats ok. theres still a pro team called the “d-bags” i mean “d-backs” so lets keep things in perspective.
Should have kept Indians.
Definitely not.
Hell to the no, should have changed this back in the 1960s.
I think it would have been better to change the name to that of a specific tribe native to Ohio. Kind of like the San Diego State Aztecs.
The Aztecs were murderers and rapists and took other tribes as slaves. Kind of like the Euros coming to America but with less clothing.
Garbage name lmfao
1100 options. And we pick guardians. So silly. Me being irish, should I start protesting Norte dame? People need to get off their high horse and relax. I might give you the redskins as bad. Everything else just relax. Next the braces will have to change it. And the chiefs. People just relax. Please.
Beaves*
Darn phone haha braves. I don’t want to get yelled at by the grammar police
You do realize Indian is an offensive term for Native Americans?
Yet they were not the ones begging for a name change
Native Americans started the Not Your Mascot movement. It was Navajo woman
I always assumed it was the ones from India.
Do you know tigers is offensive to the animal called tigers. I heard they are offended by being associated with the city of Detroit. so they should change they name too..
You do realize that a lot of Native Americans call themselves Indians?
No it isn’t.
No it’s not.
What, 8% of Native’s? That’s the whole point, appeasing the asses, not the masses.
You do realize the name “indian” had nothing to do with native Americans?
You realize you are completely ignorant if you believe that? Chief Waho has nothing to do with Native Americans? The federal government has a bureau of INDIAN affairs that solely deals with indigenous sovereignty. The largest Native Org in the country is called the National Congress of American Indians
Stop with the facts already. They get in the way of a good agenda.
“The largest Native Org in the country is called the National Congress of American Indians”
So we’ve established that the word Indian isn’t offensive to Native Americans. Good to know.
I’ve been saying this for years. It’s ok to think of us Irish as a bunch of leprechaun looking brawlers? It’s just a matter of being able to caricature some and not others. Just wish there were a rule book of some sort… lol
AS I was writing my comment above I was thinking something along the same lines.
If all of these names are offense, then why is no one talking about the Boston Celtics. Shouldn’t woke people be offended on how that portrays the Irish?
Wait, is Celtics offensive? I’m seriously asking. If they have an offensive mascot that should go, but Celts were badasses and the name is accurate. “Indians” does accurately portray the group they represent
Did you know that you yourself are on your high horse by writing this?
We changed the Expos to the Nationals and you cared way less. Way?
Woke woke opinion. Wokest of all the wokey.
Dotnet22 –
I give up. You’re just an idiot. Find another word to use and don’t post it 50 times. Brain dead
because we all agree that the French should not be honored in any way, shape, or form.
The teamed moved from Montreal to DC lmao. Teams routinely change names to avoid fighting over naming rights.
Browns are a prime example. Team moved to Baltimore changed to Ravens as the city wouldn’t relinquish the Browns name.
Titans were the Houston Oilers and Houston went with Texans to avoid reclaiming the oiler name from the titans franchise….which is why titans wear oiler jerseys during throwback uni games.
A lot of teams have changed names when they move to avoid fighting over a name.
Some keep them some don’t. Depends on the situation.
Expos changing to Nationals wasn’t some “woke” aha moment.
I thought Nationals was a dumb name but now I don’t care. Guardians will end up the same way in a few years
All due respect, “People just relax” is how I feel about the name change. It’s really not that big a deal
I don’t. Because that’s not accurate
I think I triggered somebody
I actually think Braves should be changed but they have great options. Call them the “Brave” and make the mascot an American soldier. Or the “Hammers” after Hank Aaron and keep some variation of the Tomahawk chop
Why would you change the Braves name if the Cherokee tribs in Georgia like it? That doesn’t make sense. And The Brave would be terrible. It sounds like a bad Disney movie.
Because some idiots get offended over some of the littlest and stupidest things.