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Giants In Discussions With Alex Cobb

By Steve Adams | November 22, 2021 at 12:07pm CDT

The Giants are in talks with free-agent righty Alex Cobb and appear to be making a “strong push” to sign the veteran righty, tweets Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle (Twitter link). Cobb is represented by the Beverly Hills Sports Council.

If a deal is indeed finalized, Cobb would fill one of four rotation vacancies for a San Francisco club that saw each of Kevin Gausman, Alex Wood, Anthony DeSclafani and Johnny Cueto reach free agency at season’s end.

The 34-year-old Cobb had something of a resurgence with the Angels last season after being acquired in an offseason deal that sent minor league infielder Jahmai Jones to Baltimore. Injuries still hampered Cobb — as has oft been the case in his career — with a wrist issue and blisters combining to limit him to 93 1/3 frames. However, when healthy, Cobb was the best he’s been in years, pitching to a 3.76 ERA with a 24.9% strikeout rate, an 8.4% walk rate and a huge 53.3% ground-ball rate.

In fact, in some regards, the 2021 season was Cobb’s best as a big leaguer. While the workload wasn’t as large as he or the Angels would’ve liked, Cobb posted career-best marks in strikeout percentage, swinging-strike rate (11.2%) and opponents’ chase rate (34.6%).

That 2021 output marked a stark turnaround for Cobb, who pitched just 217 total innings during three years with the Orioles after signing a four-year, $57MM contract in advance of the 2018 campaign — the final major acquisition from Baltimore before the eventual housecleaning and rebuild process got underway that summer. Given that Cobb’s last run through free agency lingered until Spring Training was well underway, it makes sense that he’d push for an earlier deal a second time around. Both Cobb and the Angels had publicly expressed interest in a reunion, but that looks decidedly unlikely now.

As alluded to above, Cobb would be just one of many pieces needed to complete a wide-open starting pitching puzzle at Oracle Park. In addition to the quartet of open spots behind homegrown star Logan Webb, Cobb has reached 100 innings in just two of the past seven seasons. While any team signing Cobb would surely hope for better health, it’s not something that can be banked upon given a laundry list of physical ailments that have piled up in recent years.

From a payroll vantage point, the Giants ought to have little issue adding Cobb into the fold. Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez projects a $97MM payroll at present, and Cobb should command a good bit less than the $14.25MM annual salary he received on that last contract with the Orioles. MLBTR ranked Cobb 39th on our Top 50 Free Agent list, pegging for a two-year, $16MM contract.

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108 Comments

  1. Tacoshells

    3 years ago

    Hard PASS.

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    • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

      3 years ago

      At this point we have to trust Zaidi. He turned a group of nobody’s (aside from Posey, Belt, Craw, etc.)into a
      107-win team. He obviously sees something we don’t know about

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      • WillSmith

        3 years ago

        Nicely said

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      • to4

        3 years ago

        I agree !!! Don’t forget to give Kapler the credit as well. He manage that team into those 107 W and gave the Dodgers a run for their money !

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      • JackStrawb

        3 years ago

        @PutPeteRoseInTheHall Zaidi has said the Giants talk a lot, not about filling rotation slots, but about getting 162 starts.

        That makes an extraordinary amount of sense when pitchers are pushed to go all out every start, every pitch. The trick is figuring out how to manage those guys. You want 7 starters at the start of the year, but unless 2 are willing to work out of the pen (and established guys aren’t), you have issues, so you’re limited in how many successful starters you can sign.

        You want 3 more starters in the minors who can at least give you replacement level work, and a couple of relievers in AAA capable of spot starts without blowing up the place.

        It’ll be great to see how Zaidi manages it all this offseason and season.

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      • Redwolves3

        3 years ago

        What happened to the “Giants making hard push for Alex Cobb?” It’s been 4 days and dead silence.

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    • CubsWin108

      3 years ago

      give it some time, you should at least wait till mid-april

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    • statman

      3 years ago

      I’d tend to give Farhan some benefit of the doubt, don’t ya think? Besides, who wouldn’t be for a Cobb-Web tandem?

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        Props for the Cobb-Webb

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      • Bart Harley Jarvis

        3 years ago

        Yes for the pun, but a hard no for the signing.

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        • giant4life

          3 years ago

          Hasn’t Farhan cleared enough payroll after last year that his first move of this off-season shouldn’t be another dumpster dive? Oft injured oft inconsistent but totally cheap so why not right?!? The truth is that Farhan has no clue how to do anything other than sift through trash. Oh but look what he just did with guys exactly like this last year you say?? If you mean squander a chance at a world series because he was too afraid/cheap to make enough moves to get them past the Dodgers then I agree! Can’t draft, can’t find anyone in the international pool, can’t trade for anything other than trash or give up anything significant, and he can’t sign high quality FA’s! What he can do is shop at the dollar store and do a great job impersonating a front office exec for the A’s while charging top 5 revenue team prices! When is this going to get old for all you Giants fans who can’t buy your kids jerseys since who knows who will be on this team from year to year and who are cool with spending hundreds of dollars to see a team that costs a fraction of that across the bay!

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        • Angels & NL West

          3 years ago

          Tough crowd… 107 wins doesn’t buy a GM much time these days, does it?

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        • mjbissonn

          3 years ago

          I genuinely want to know if you’re being serious.

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        • vtadave

          3 years ago

          Imagine being a Giants fan and not appreciating Farhan. You realize the POB doesn’t set the budget right? As for not making moves, did I just imagine it or wasn’t Kris Bryant in a Giants uniform after the trade deadline?

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        • jondowdforever

          3 years ago

          You’re really bad at this.

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        • Pete'sView

          3 years ago

          Giant4Life – You, Sir, are way, way off base.

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        • stymeedone

          3 years ago

          Much better to sign players at the top of the market like…Bauer? Bet that jersey is selling like hotcakes!

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        • giantsphan12

          3 years ago

          Clearly @Giant4, you’re not a Giants fan. Your tell is the statement, “…all you Giants fans….” and don’t include yourself in that (my/our) group. You seem bitter and jealous of the Giants success. Wonder what team you root for???

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        • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

          3 years ago

          @vtadave

          The Giants also said they weren’t happy with KB, nor was the fan base very happy with his performance

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        • Jean Matrac

          3 years ago

          giant4life:

          You seem to put a lot value in FZ’s “first move”. Why? What difference does it make whether a low impact/depth signing is his first, 3rd, or last move? Are FZ’s moves supposed to be graduated biggest to smallest?

          Give the guy a chance. At least wait until ST before you start criticizing his moves, or lack thereof. I just don’t get why you’d get bent out of shape with FZ over a depth signing, even if it was the first thing he did in the off-season.

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        • Pete'sView

          3 years ago

          PutPeteRose – Where did you hear that? I read everything re Giants and nver heard anyone say that. Nevertheless, he’s unlikely to be back for a variety of reasons.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          I don’t doubt Zaidi has his eye on a #2 caliber starter, but in the meantime you sign the other players you need.

          If he can he’ll pick up 6 starters to open the year, and if by some miracle all 6 are healthy on Opening Day, a guy like Cobb or their #6 can work out of the pen until the inevitable injury.

          Webb
          #2
          DeSclafini
          Wood
          Cobb
          #6

          No chance Cobb stays healthy all year, so it’s not as if he’s filling a slot in the rotation—it’s more like he’s taking zero to 20 starts.

          The guys who imagine their teams are going to be able to sign five pitchers better than Alex Wood are hilarious.

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      • Pete'sView

        3 years ago

        OY!

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      • giantsphan12

        3 years ago

        “IN Z WE TRUST”

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    • Pete'sView

      3 years ago

      Tacoshells – I would agree, I’ve never been a big Alex Cobb enthusiast. But FZ certainly knows how to pick ’em. A lot depends on the price.

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      • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

        3 years ago

        Every word you said couldn’t have been more true. Cobb is not a very good fit for a high ranking team(based off 2021), and he really shouldn’t be in the top 3 of a rotation, but Zaidi obviously knows what he’s doing, according to 2021. If it’s cheap, so what, who cares?

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  2. Redwolves3

    3 years ago

    Cobb is not a #1 or #2 but could turn out to be another Wood or DeSclafani.

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    • mister guy

      3 years ago

      yeah the profile is very woody

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    • bucsfan0004

      3 years ago

      Cobb is not as horrible as everyone thinks.

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      • Bart Harley Jarvis

        3 years ago

        Orioles fans say hi.

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        • Buzz Saw

          3 years ago

          Which two?

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          3 years ago

          Nice…

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      • Geno55

        3 years ago

        Angels fans say hello

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      • Teamspirit

        3 years ago

        He was very dependable in Anaheim. I think the Angels should re-sign him.

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  3. Central Valley

    3 years ago

    Hidden gem, or is Zaidi already dumpster diving?

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    • Joe says...

      3 years ago

      By this point, Zaidi has earned some benefit of the doubt.

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      • Central Valley

        3 years ago

        Definitely has, I agree.

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    • mister guy

      3 years ago

      there has to be some dumpster diving, you aren’t going to see 4 30mm+ guys signed to the rotation. there needs to be some depth and role players and the way the giants succeeded last year was to make those role players solid contributors
      .

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      • citizen

        3 years ago

        Giants like dumpster diving.
        Smarrdjzzaa and cuteo are available again.

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      • JackStrawb

        3 years ago

        @mister guy True, that, and something most casual fans are clueless about.

        Mets fans want to spend 6/160m for a half win upgrade at 3B, and to lose fractional wins at 2B. Giants fans want Kershaw out of the #6 slot, I guess.

        It’s… discouraging.

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    • SoxRewl

      3 years ago

      Dumpster diving is how one searches for hidden gems…Gausman was on no one’s wishlist when the Giants first acquired him.

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      • thecoffinnail

        3 years ago

        Gausman has always been seen as a high ceiling pitcher. His drawback has always been the injuries. Without factoring in age he would be a good comp for Cobb. Cobb was solid in Tampa and seemed to be a future TOR pitcher but he became one of those pitchers that just couldn’t adjust well after TJ surgery. However it looked like he turned a corner last year. If the Giants are confident they can continue to keep oft-injured but talented pitchers on the mound they should make a run at Bundy, Kluber or Syndergaard as well Cobb. Maybe check in with the Yankees on Severino. They could easily put together a top 5 rotation without laying out a single $100m contract. Whatever they did worked with Gausman and all of those pitchers will easily outperform the contracts they will currently command if they can stay healthy.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          @thecoffinnail Well said. Fwiw, the Giants don’t need to keep them on the mound, particularly—not in the conventional sense, anyway. 20 starts with a 3.75 ERA the first year of a 2/16m deal is a good value.

          If they avoid the mythical trap of “building a rotation” and focus instead on getting starts, they won’t fall into the next trap of pushing guys out their every five days as if that actually means something.

          —It’s unlikely the Giants will go after someone as hit and miss as Kluber. They’ll risk a guy who might give them 12 or 15 or 18 starts, but seem less inclined to go after a guy who can give them 1 start or 25.

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    • windmill_noise_causes_cancer

      3 years ago

      DuMpStEr DiViNg

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    • jondowdforever

      3 years ago

      I wouldn’t say dumpster diving, just addressing depth. Even if they land one of the top SPs they’re still going to need to fill out the back of the rotation. Safe to say they’re not expecting him to fill a 1-2 role

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  4. Redwolves3

    3 years ago

    Lorenzen (Cincinnati) could be another pitching option. Both starting and long relief.

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    • rayking

      3 years ago

      and Lorenzen can play OF too.

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      • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

        3 years ago

        Can’t forget that

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  5. Mr. E Team

    3 years ago

    He fits in with SF if he is willing to take a 1 year deal. Angels defense cost him about run a game. Giants should be an improvement over that.

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    • seamaholic 2

      3 years ago

      No defense is that bad

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      • Mr. E Team

        3 years ago

        That is what Fielding independent pitching measures.
        Cobb 2021 ERA 3.76
        FIP 2.92

        Different is 0.84. That is what the Angel’s defense cost Cobb.

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        • smuzqwpdmx

          3 years ago

          That is not what Fielding Independent Pitching measures, not at all. What it measures is how a pitcher does when the ball isn’t put into play. In other words, it measures how good he is at getting strikeouts compared to walks or home runs.

          Since the game is still played with fielders, it’s not a very important number. A sinkerballer who specializes in double plays, for example, will have a terrible FIP. Anybody who induces weak contact instead of wasting pitches on strikeouts is penalized in their FIP.

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      • HalosHeavenJJ

        3 years ago

        The Angels defense the first two months was horrible. Worst I’ve seen…and I’m a lifelong Angels fan.

        Iglesias couldn’t catch to save his life, Pujols was at first, Walsh was playing out of position in right…just a cluster.

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  6. slogar1

    3 years ago

    geg42 good observation. And won’t require a loss of a draft pick.

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  7. Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker

    3 years ago

    I’m extremely curious to see what he gets paid this off-season. I wouldn’t offer him more than $5 million. Definitely a nice talent but he just does not give you the innings you need for a full-time starter.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      My prediction is one year at 8.5 million.

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      • JackStrawb

        3 years ago

        2/17m.

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    • Kapler's Coconut Oil

      3 years ago

      Just with the pitching market the way it is, I feel almost everyone is going to get over 5 million AAV

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      • stymeedone

        3 years ago

        Every agent will be comparing their talent to Heaney! $8MM is the minimum now.

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    • orange2001

      3 years ago

      I think he’s got a case for a 2-year deal between $15-16M.

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      • Pete'sView

        3 years ago

        Orange 2001 – That would be a massive overpay. $5-6M on a one year at best (I hope).

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        • smuzqwpdmx

          3 years ago

          1 WAR is worth about $7M. Cobb has averaged 1 WAR per year since he signed the Orioles contract, and last year was 1.7. If it weren’t for age and health he’d get a lot more than 2/16, but given those factors I think it’d be a reasonable contract.

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        • stymeedone

          3 years ago

          The goal is to acquire that WAR below value. You don’t want to pay full price for your scrubs.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          Cobb’s not a scrub.

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        • Pete'sView

          3 years ago

          JackStrawb – I dunno. Cobb’s stats scream . And especially troubling is that he hasn’t thrown a hundred innings since 2018. Maybe as depth?

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  8. scottn59c

    3 years ago

    Cobb was one of the guys I actually hoped the Giants would look at. Hopefully he’s a guy who can stay healthy and thrive at Oracle. Shouldn’t be too expensive, either, and would help to start fleshing out a rotation that right now solely consists of Logan Webb.

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    • seamaholic 2

      3 years ago

      He’s coming from an equally pitcher friendly stadium.

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      • CubsWin108

        3 years ago

        yea he had to work with the Angels defense which was one of the worst in the league last year.

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        • greatgame 2

          3 years ago

          Nobody had to endure as bad a total team defense for a career as Chris Volstad. Marlins 2009-2011, Cubs 2012, White Sox 2018. Cost him at least a run on his career ERA.

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      • Jean Matrac

        3 years ago

        seamaholic 2:

        Uh, no. Why would you write something like that, since you obviously didn’t check to see if that was true?

        According to Baseball Savant, in 2021 Angels Stadium was the 9th best hitters park. Oracle ranked 20th. They typically use a 3 year rolling average, but I looked at only 2021 because of the hitter friendly changes made to Oracle after the 2019 season. But, in the 3-year rolling average, Angels Stadium was 8th, while Oracle was 28th.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          @tad2b13 “Why would you write something like that, since you obviously didn’t check to see if that was true?”

          —New to the internet?

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  9. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    3 years ago

    More corn on the cob than Ty Cobb.

    Dodgers paid 8.5 million for Heaney, Cobb is probably looking for at least a similar payday.

    Andrew might have better stuff but Alex was the better pitcher in 2021.

    What is this run with former Angels pitchers anyway?

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  10. davidk1979

    3 years ago

    Zaidy gets the most out of guys like this.

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    • Bart Harley Jarvis

      3 years ago

      Aaron Sanchez says wassup.

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      • Jean Matrac

        3 years ago

        He said “most” guys, not every guy.

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        • Chief Two Hands

          3 years ago

          That’s not what he said. Reading comprehension isn’t for everyone.

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          3 years ago

          tads,
          No, he didn’t say most guys. Please reread, process, and then vehemently apologize.

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        • Jean Matrac

          3 years ago

          Okay, I’ll admit to misstating the precise meaning. Still, what he said was most guys like this, not every guy like this.

          While I apologize for gumming up the response, vehemence is not necessary, since the original response, referring to Aaron Sanchez, lacked understanding of the intent of the post, which I was defending, and still do..

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          3 years ago

          We’re good.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          So you’re completely oblivious to implication in language?

          –I’m going to the store.
          You: –No you’re not. You’re just standing there.

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  11. Toms Changeup

    3 years ago

    Zaidi seems pretty good at picking these reclamation projects and getting his money’s worth! So until I see different I won’t scrutinize this much if it happens.

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  12. Datashark

    3 years ago

    a Sanford and Son purchase

    His LAA was a last burst he is 34…maybe they get 1 year out of him or he does well enough to bring back prospects on a trade

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    • rpoabr

      3 years ago

      Thumbs up just for the Sanford and Sons

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  13. seamaholic 2

    3 years ago

    Giants doubling down on the smartest-guys-in-the-room strategy, bringing in risky players on short term deals and hoping they all come up sevens. Gotta give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, but the sports world is littered with execs who thought they had everything figured out and had a magic touch, only to discover they just got extremely lucky that one year (in a 30 team league, someone is bound to every few years).

    Come to think of it, that applies to more than sports execs. People have a hard time accepting and accounting for luck, both good and bad.

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    • jondowdforever

      3 years ago

      I think you’re overestimating the role Cobb would have. It’s not like they’re going to build the rotation around him.

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    • Samuel

      3 years ago

      @ seamaholic 2;

      Well, the Astros got lucky with Verlander and Morton 4 years ago, then got lucky with Cole 3 years ago. This year they got lucky with 3 young pitchers.

      Luck of the Irish.

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    • foppert

      3 years ago

      Or there coaches improve pitchers.

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  14. empirejim

    3 years ago

    Z adding another “serviceable” starter. Not a front line arm for sure, but Z seems to get more than expected from his rag-tag group of hurlers. Wont surprise me if he pitches great, or epically tanks.

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  15. Cohn Joppolella

    3 years ago

    There’s a reason everyone called him “Cy Cobb” last season.

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  16. Angels & NL West

    3 years ago

    I was hoping the Angels would sign Cobb as a depth piece for one year at $8 million.

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    • rpoabr

      3 years ago

      Agree! 2/15 would be even better.

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  17. Yep it is

    3 years ago

    When it gets to the playoffs you need some horses that can run the race. This guy isn’t one of them. Don’t expect the same results 2 years in a row. There has to be some balance. The Dodgers have it but come playoff time they like to let every player pick a position. That also doesn’t work. 33 years and counting

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    • Kapler's Coconut Oil

      3 years ago

      They have FOUR open rotation spots, I think they should be allowed to at least sign one pitcher that’s not a “horse that can run the race.”

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        I agree. They need two more pitchers that would be able to start in the post-season and two guys who can eat some innings with a sub 4.25 era. Cobb is not a sure thing to be healthy or to have a sub 4.25 era, but the latter is a possibility and if he is getting a one year deal for 9 million or less I won’t second guess it as he slots as a 4 or 5 starter.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          By ST, the Giants will have 7 guys who can start with ERAs under 4.25.

          They don’t think like fans do.

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  18. acmeants

    3 years ago

    At this point all the GMs are bottom feeding. No surprise since they don’t know when the new agreement will be reached.

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  19. rememberthecoop

    3 years ago

    Wait – you’re saying that he performed best in his walk year?? Stunning development!

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  20. Central Valley

    3 years ago

    I’d pay money as a fan, to be able to listen in on Farhan Zaidi’s conversations and strategy sessions with his staff. I would find them absolutely fascinating.

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    • jondowdforever

      3 years ago

      I figure I might understand about a fifth of what they were saying, but it would be interesting.

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      • Central Valley

        3 years ago

        Same here

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    • foppert

      3 years ago

      Not quite the same, but the recent 60min “chalk talk” chat between Fleming, Kapler and Zaidi is a great watch. YouTube.

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      • JackStrawb

        3 years ago

        The most interesting thing Zaidi has said this year:

        “I won’t comment on anyone specifically, but I will say — we’ve talked about this a lot over the last few years — we’re not shopping for a five-man rotation. We’re shopping for 162 games started. That can take on different forms. But I imagine that even after this (DeSclafani) signing, we’ll continue to be active in that space.”

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  21. greatgame 2

    3 years ago

    Bad signing

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  22. Ann Porkins

    3 years ago

    I’m of two minds regarding Cobb and the cost of pitching so far this offseason.

    In a market where Heaney gets $8.5M, I can imagine Cobb getting a decent multi-year deal. That’s a steep price for someone who seemed washed up and didn’t provide much value for most of a four-year contract.

    On the other hand, if Cobb has figured something out, a multi-year deal might work out. If he signs a one-year deal and puts up another 2021 performance, he could really cash in next year. A multi-year deal could be a bargain (with plenty of risk, of course).

    Ultimately, I trust this front office to evaluate talent and allocate resources prudently. Just hope this wouldn’t be the “big splash” acquisition for the rotation

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  23. chace alexander

    3 years ago

    For everyone saying hard pass, you were saying the same damn thing about Gausman 2 years ago and Wood+Tony Disco a year ago. Let San Fran see what he can do.

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  24. HalosHeavenJJ

    3 years ago

    Cobb’s splitter is solid. It will get plenty of ground balls. Early in the year the Angels just couldn’t convert them to outs.

    Getting him out of the AL East cut his HR/9 more than half. If that is sustainable, he’s a nice back end piece.

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      So your saying he’s a better pitcher if not in a hitters park. Who isnt? Maybe he should have thrown more ground balls like he did this past year. Doesn’t matter the size of the park, that ground ball isn’t going out.

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  25. lumber and lighting

    3 years ago

    I thought Cobb did a better job then I thought he would.He can deal,no doubt about.But how many starts are you going to get out of him.I enjoyed watching him pitch & we didn’t have a lot to get excited about on the bump last yr.

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