The Padres have cast a wide net searching for upgrades this offseason, coming up empty on a number of free agents and eyeing several who remain on the market. In his latest column, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic adds Yankees first baseman Luke Voit to the list of targets San Diego is considering. The Yankees are speaking with a number of clubs about Voit, though the identities of other teams and the odds of a deal coming together remain unknown.
Voit represents a unique trade chip for the Yankees, as he has batted a strong .271/.363/.520 (132 OPS+) since joining the club in 2018. Even last year Voit was able to produce at a .239/.328/.437 (109 OPS+) clip despite battling with knee problems and uneven playing time. A run of solid offensive production and three years of team control remaining (via arbitration) doesn’t change the impression that Voit appears to be a man without a home on a loaded Yankees roster, however.
Following their re-signing of first baseman Anthony Rizzo, the Yankees have an abundance of infielders, all of whom can lay claim to being more defensively valuable than Voit and his career -22 Outs Above Average mark. The 31-year old Voit also saw his strikeout rate spike to an untenable 30.7% mark last season that’s more than double apparent-replacement Rizzo’s 15.1% mark.
For New York, they may not have a specific aversion to Voit so much as they are looking to put more balls in play and back up their pitchers with more reliability. This is a team after all that had the sixth worst strikeout percentage, eighth worst batting average, and eighth worst team defense (per FanGraphs) in all of baseball last season. As a team with World Series aspirations it’s a defensible move to relocate a player that was a drain on all three team categories last season.
Enter the Padres. San Diego no doubt has the same World Series aspirations the Yankees do, but they also have a clearer path to playing time for an under-utilized Bronx bomber. Whereas New York has Giancarlo Stanton and a number of other slugging veterans filling their DH spot, the Padres are largely unequipped to fill theirs. Despite outscoring the Yankees last season, the Friars are in an optimal position to borrow some offense from the Yankees, with the added bonus of keeping their team defense intact.
A hypothetical Voit acquisition would strengthen a lineup that is thin on middle-of-the-order firepower after Fernando Tatis Jr.’s most recent injury. Projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $5.4MM in arbitration, Voit would also prove eminently affordable for a Padres club that’s about $10MM of payroll shy of incurring luxury tax-related penalties. That projected arbitration figure likely appeals to a handful of clubs, but for a San Diego team saddled with pricy contracts and limited free agent options, a displaced Voit may prove to be their best bet at improving team offense without emptying the farm or wallets.
for who ?
myers + a dodger dog
Does the dog go directly to Cashman or Steinbrenner? Or do they split it down the middle? That could be the deal breaker.
The son is the opposite of the dad so he probably lets cashman take it. Everyone wins
But first he’ll scrap the mustard off and put it back in his bottle.
@superbulldog345- not happening. Maybe for Luis Campusano and a pitcher? The Yankees want no part of Hosmer or Myers.
Couple baseball cards, sack of marbles….. cough” Petey.
“Harry, I took care of it!”
We’ll be happy to relieve you of the Tatis contract burden!
I don’t know for who but we haven’t done anything to our pitching and we just put a starter on the 60 days dl it sounds TJ to me so we need pitching apparently am one of the few yankees fan that notices this most people are mad we didn’t overpay for one of the SSs
If your wanting mlb pitching players. Perhaps Lamet but they make about the same amount this year. Unless it becomes a larger deal involving someone like myers. I would think it would be mostly prospects in the 10-20 range.
No way the Padres give up Lamet for Voit. A healthy Lamet is a borderline #1 starter.
Actually Lamet and Voit match up pretty well. Both had an excellent 2020, are struggling with injuries and make about the same. Nola could also be a possibility.
First of all if the Yankees are looking for a starter Lamet is not what they would want. He’s a reliever now he hasn’t been a reliable starter in two years. I would think the Yankees would be looking to add a lower level prospect or two for Voit. I do believe New York will be making a deal for one of Oakland’s starters or one that no one has even brought up yet.
@Mystery, I’d be surprised if the Yanks took lower level prospects, they generally don’t dump players like that. They are looking for pitching depth and Lamet carries a similar injury risk and productive upside that Voit does. I don’t know what Lamets status is right now but if he is healthy enough he could start. SD just doesn’t need him to start with the depth they have currently.
Perhaps the Yankees take prospects that would interest Oakland in a trade for Montas, Murphy, etc
@yankees2016rebuild: I assume you’re talking about German – his issue is shoulder, not elbow (which is TJ), had some inflammation late last season and reaggravated it working out on his own in January. He’s started a throwing program but will take a while to ramp up, so they put him on the 60-day to clear 40-man space for Rizzo.
Myers and Campusano. Pieces are there for a workable deal
The Yankees are not going to take on Myers’ contract but I get your wishful thinking.
They would take on his deal for campusano.
If I’m the padres I wouldn’t do myers and campusano for voit. The padres pretty need myers atm. Plus voit doesn’t have a ton a value. His offense was about the same as hosmers last year.
Lol
Padres would trade Myers for a Luke Voit bobble head. Getting rid of him is the return.
Of course this is wrong and I was thinking about hosmer lol. Carry on
Voit doesn’t have a lot of value. In fact, auto correct calls him vomit.
Voit has more value than you think. He’s got power and will be fairly cheap for the next few years and with the DH being universal someone in the NL would gladly give up something for him. Obviously not a top prospect but maybe a mid to lower level guy.
Quit trying to dump Myers salary on us! This trade has to be for pitching, and the Yankees will probably trim payroll when they trade Voit, not take it on. If Myers is in the deal, he will be packaged with a pitcher(s) that you did not want to trade.
Booom! Should take a *bad* contract & Campusano. That’s what I suggested they do from early on because they desperately need a catcher, both now & in the future. Campusano is that guy. Won’t kill your on defense but better on offense.
But who knows, this could be for one of the pitchers. That would be much more streamlined. Maybe Paddack?
Voit + Rortvedt + King for Myers + Campusano
What? You’re Joking of Course…I Hope
Byron, if that’s to me & referring to Paddack – no, I think Cashman would consider that. If I recall correctly, Cashman has eyed Paddack for a while and he tends to hang on to those man-crushes.
Paddack struggled a lot, but the Voit return for a SP may be about the best deal Yankees could ask for, even at a 5.11/1.42…. Unless you’re saying SD would ask for more than just Voit, which I agree with. He’s a SP & I am referring to Voit as the Main MLB piece ++, but no Volpe, Dominguez, Peraza-level prospects. I could also see Danielson Lamet as well, & he wouldn’t command the return of Paddack.
Of course, I’d be much happier with a catcher… What are your thoughts on this?
Yanks should keep King with German being out for possibly the year. He’s not great but he could eat some innings either starting or relieving. Pads shouldn’t trade Myers. Despite being overpaid he’ll still put up around a 110-115 ops+ and they don’t have a viable replacement for him currently.
Yankee Clip I was referring to DBF’s Post.
German is NOT out for the year. They haven’t even speculated that.
Ducky: According to Jack Curry via Sports Illustrated, the Yankees plan is to platoon Rortvedt & Higgy. They are relying on the evaluation of Rortvedt’s offense that he will develop into a 20+ HR guy.
Outside of that: I read IKF is a lifelong Yankees fan and known by the moniker, “The Hawaiian Hustle” so….. yeah, I definitely dig that, man. A guy who loves NYY & is assigned a nickname by his teammates because he hustles so much he’s a standout?! Extend him early as a UTL guy for when Volpe/Peraza come up, and you’ve got a dude the fanbase will love!
The IF GGBG, man!
Fun fact. IFK used to be a bleacher creature as a kid and has pictures to prove it too lol. I love it !
Clipper I agree and read the same thing. I don’t know why people keep harping on the catcher position the Yankees are happy with the two they have. Catchers don’t have to tear it up at the plate just play good defense and call a good game if needed. It’s not like Campusano is a proven guy they can slot in at starter and call it a day and Contreras isn’t that great of a bat either so why give up prospects for either. Also the whole Myers thing is a no go for NY. He’s not exactly the type of player they want to go near the tax line for.
Ok.
So just so I am clear on all this…
We finished a putrid 19th in runs scored in ’21.
Our response to that is to:
Swap Phat Sancho for a 35 year old Josh Donaldson as our Big Bat addition.
Re-sign Rizzo (who was here last year)
Run a SS out there with an OPS < .70P
Run two catchers out there who put up a *combined* OPS of a little over 1.1000
Rely on Hicks as the starting CF – again
Jeeez. Tough to look at that as "fixing" the offense for me. I thought we were a "win now" club? We made one supposed upgrade to the offense (Donaldson.) Yet, we are punting on at least 2 lineup spots (SS & C) & probably a 3rd (CF).
My only mantra every off-season is that as long as Cash brings back a better club I'm good with it. Still time left, but if this is it…well, then I am not good with it. We are not better without further additions. We may not even be *as* good.
My Lord. We sound like Twins fans, "if this player's bat develops, if these two guys can take the next step, if that guy can stay healthy…". Gross. We're the Damn Yanks ffs.
That is a fact many ignore. We were 6th in homers but much lower in runs scored. Without getting into the argument of ‘small ball’ being needed the guys we picked up and others they are counting on for injury-free production are not going to move us up significantly in either category and could result in even worse rankings.
The idea that this team as-is has juggernaut capability is nonsense.
I know its March & hope springs eternal.
This is the time of year that fans of crappy teams allow themselves to be deluded. I guess I am not altogether used to having to do that.
Our 1-6 spots in the lineup should be pretty good. Not as good as the Jay’s or sox, but productive “enough”. After that – however – we are running out three #9 hitters, man. If this is really it, we are flat out giving away a dozen outs/game – defensive contributions be damned.
It’s weird, because I am typically a little ray of Yankee sunshine. But when I look at this team in it’s entirety I struggle to see a 90+ win team.
Maybe Voit can bring us something useful.
Maybe we add a 4th outfielder > Tim Locastro.
Maybe I am completely wrong & this really is a juggernaut or whatever.
I think we will be easier to watch. I don’t think we will actually win any more games. Not without some more help.
I agree with you. That’s why I default to: we need Olson/Freeman, Story, & a catcher at least, or this offseason was a bust. It’s about money for Hal, again.
But, I thought we could salvage the offseason even with Rizzo if we still got a decent catcher and a true SS – nope. Okay, at least a true starting catcher (as I said, I hate platoons, & especially at *The * leadership position) – so far…… nope.
We’re running the same team by a different name out there. Cashman did address weaknesses effectively. But, in the process, created opposing weaknesses – simply traded one for another….
We are the Oakland Yankees, man. Meanwhile, LAD is getting Freeman, Turner,& anyone else that could help them win a title. Mets too.
We are straightening the paintings in the parlor while the kitchen is on fire, Clip.
There were ways to improve us that didn’t call for a huge addition, imo. That isn’t what has (thus far!) transpired, however.
My position has been the same all winter: add bats! I am fine with the pitching. Running the staff back is entirely defensible to me. I gave up on Co-Aces years & years ago. So: it is what it is. & what is is pretty damn good.
But I am not sure how anyone can look at this lineup/bench & not see an overwhelming need for a couple more legitimate offensive threats. I’ll take just one even! There are certainly players available yet via free agency or trade that would beef up our attack. All is far from lost.
Guess we are down to hoping Voit yields something useful. Or maybe scooping a “deal” out of the free agent Island of Misfit Toys that now remains.
Need bats. Some how, some way. We need to find at least 50 more runs laying around somewhere, man.
Well, in the words of HalCash, we are a “World Series caliber team” and we have been since 2017. Ironically, we’ve been getting worse every year which makes me question the evaluator’s metrics…. Anyway, Boone gave the quote that said it all, “we can win with this club right now.” That’s before the trades and is frighteningly shortsighted since they’ve lost the WC with that club several seasons in a row.
All the talk of the CBT and nothing. All the talk of SS and IKF. All the talk of Voit & last years deadline acquisition returns (I do like Rizzo, but he’s not Freeman/Olson). All the talk of Sanchez’ ineptitude for years and we take a AAAA catcher. It’s…. a joke, man. Even get Contreras & let Rortvedt develop for a year to see if his 1 HR turns into 10 in the minors, man. “Developing offense” at the major league level is dangerously ignorant, especially in NY.
But I do really like this IKF kid for a UTL guy. Love a hustler who loves being a Yankee.
Ya know, I actually like what Cash has done.
What I am kicking back on, is the volume. To this point it is just not enough. Not if the goal was to get better. We swapped out an aesthetically unappealing team for an aesthetically appealing one. &…that’s it. I see no impact on the win total.
Obviously, we still have the incoming Voit trade. Perhaps that will spark a little series of additions. Or bring back some help at the plate. Or both.
Gotta stay patient & hope this is all a version of, “Bubba Crosby is our centerfielder.” Because if this is it, I am painfully underwhelmed.
Pass!! Trade for Josh Bell, Austin Meadows, and Lourdes Gurriel jr. Sign Hand and Conforto in free agency. Holes on roster filled!
Hand signed with my Phils!
This needs to be a larger deal to include Myers and Stanton.
It’s no secret that Cashman loves Paddock.
Trade Torres and Voit to San Diego for Myers, 1 of their catchers, and 2 pitchers.
Padres could use Torres at 2b since Tatis is out 3 months with somebody moving to SS there. We get a very respectable spare outfielder which we need plus of course a catcher and pitching.
What’s with the Myers Love. Haven’t Ibeen reading about our Bad Contracts and how we’re over the LT already so now everyone wants to make sure we won’t have any flexibility at the Dead Line…Really.?
Campusano hasn’t proven anything yet so why would we take on Salary to get him. We need Pitching
I said one of the catchers. They have 4. Not necessarily Compusano. And SD would definitely have to cover some of the contract.
@BLIN – The Yankees are already well over the CBT for this season, so the only decision they’ll have at the deadline is if they want to cross over into the second or third tier of penalties.
While Myer’s contract was a huge overpay he is in the last year of the contract now. His option will be bought out after the end of the year and it’s over. At this point the Padres might as well just bite the bullet and let him play out the year. Not give up prospects to get a slightly better hitter but vastly worse defensive player and lose prospects to save a measly $15 mill.
Well, that PLUS, Myers isn’t exactly a zero WAR ballplayer. He’s streaky.
Myers IS NOT Hosmer, in either contract term or production. The Padres need OF, they aren’t looking to shed any. At this point, the only way that they include a top 1-4 prospect in a deal, is if the trading team takes Hosmer and maybe half of his salary. 2022 is the last “expensive” ($21M) year for Hosmer. After that, he just might be worth something close to his $13M salary in 2024-2026.
As for Paddack, why would the Padres try to off-load starting pitching for a “Hosmer” clone? I honestly don’t see where Voit would fit into the Padres roster, unless Hosmer is already gone, or going back in the trade.
They won’t let it go BLIN. It reminds me of all the Yankee fans trying to push Frazier and Andujar on everyone a couple of years ago. Padre’s fans need to realize they’re stuck with Myers and Hosmer unless they eat the entire contracts of both and package them with a decent prospect.
BLIN7Y7 hours ago
Campusano hasn’t proven anything yet so
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In that case, trade Volpe & Peraza for Lamet, since neither of those two have proven anything yet.
As Yankee fans, I know we are all used to saying, “we need pitching.” We usually do!
But we were 6th in MLB in ERA in ’21.
As Yankee fans, I know we are all used to having powerhouse offenses. We usually do!
But we were 19th in runs last year. There were NL clubs that outscored us, man.
The script has been inverted. For a Real Change, our pitching is in a good place. We can easily survive our #5 starter missing a month or so. I am not sure we can survive having a lineup that has 3 enormous holes: C, CF, & SS, & no firepower on the bench.
Have you looked at the other lineup in the AL East, man?
They could do better by talking to my A’s for Chad Pinder . I want Justin Lange RHP
Murphy would be there target with the A’s.
Murphy would cost a lot at minimum Dominguez plus but Volpe plus wouldn’t be out of the question.
Way to much
If you actually believe Sean Murphy is worth Dominguez and Volpe you’re smoking some premier ganga my friend. The A’s couldn’t get one of those prospects for Olson so what makes you think the Yankees would part with both for a catcher whose bat disappeared last season? They’d be lucky to get Voit and a mid level prospect for Murphy. I’ll say it again catchers are not at that kind of premium that’s BS.
Catcher is the most important position on an MLB team in MLB (although not in rotisserie league). Quality ones are next to impossible to find – harder than CF’s. As Dayton Moore noted a year or so ago – there are less quality C’s in MLB than quality QB’s in the NFL.
If the A’s couldn’t get one of those prospects for Olsen, what makes you think it would be in their interest to trade Murphy for less?
My guess is that unless the A’s are overwhelmed with an offer for Murphy they’ll hold onto him to work with the young pitchers they’re accumulating in these trades. Working with pitchers and calling games are the most important thing that not only a Catcher does, but the most important thing any position player does on a MLB team. Even the Yankees finally figured that out based on their recent addition by subtraction.
Anyone know how many of his HR to right would be routine outs in SD and the larger parks of the NL West vs those in the AL East?
If a guy’s only value is power, I’d want to know of that power will travel.
Not as many as you think. They moved in the fences in LF. RF is where the Flyball goes to die in that park. All Stars were having trouble during batting practice.
Voit can hit it out of any park. While YS isn’t as big as Oakland, YS doesn’t tend to give up cheap homers to righties. Rightfield is where the fence is close.
As I posted elsewhere HaloHeavens, his 11 HRs last year would’ve been 12 HRs had he played in Petco Park so I’d say it translates really, really well. Of course, he would hit a few, like anyone, to right, that wouldn’t leave Petco, but that’s literally anyone that hits a fly ball to the short porch in RF. When Luke hits them they’re usually gone. In fact, 64% of his off-the-bat HRs last year were “no doubters.” His average HR was 398ft in ‘21, 397 in ‘20, 410 in ‘19. His max HR was 470ft.
Also, he hit only 3 HR to opposite field in ‘21, so ~25%. Long story short, his power travels anywhere, except maybe the old Polo Grounds.
Great. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
I’m pretty sure SD would look into this themselves. I’m just always curious. There’s a big difference between parks on the east and west coasts.
unless he can handle center field where would myers play?
I am clairvoyant. Two hours ago in the article on Braves, Padres and Solar I wrote that I felt the Padres were more motivated to get Voit. That was fast. Nostramcgeemus here, ask me anything.
Does “square dancing” have a double meaning?
Are beards a crucial part of religious icons?
Except for the lady ones.
Why do we drive on streets called parkways but park in drive ways?
Just take some prospects that you can hopefully flip later with Torres for a pitcher.
Voit is a worse hitter and worse defense !B. LOL
Shouldn’t the Tigers be interested in Voit?
No. The Tigers will play DH/1B Miguel Cabrera for $32M/year. Otherwise, maybe.
If Cabrera is the primary DH, you really don’t want Voit. Voit should be the DH and just play first to give the starting first baseman a rest.
Actually not a bad move by them. He’ll never produce at his Yanks level but he can be a solid bat as long as he can keep off the injured list.
Yankees-Pirates spring training game, 1:05 Friday on MLB.TV. Will Luke be there?
Hope so. I’d like to get a chance to see him in pinstripes at least one more time.
It’s free too! On tv, I mean.
Nola for Voit, with Padres turning catching duties over to Campusano/Alfaro/Caratini, and Yanks get a catcher who can at least hit over the Mendoza line, something they lack.
Voit is to a degree a mirage, created by the short porch in Yankee Stadium, and NY fans are fooling themselves if they really think Voit could net them Campusano.. In my opinion, Nola is an overpay, but I can see it happening. Alfaro would be a better choice.
By choice, I mean from SD’s point of view. Both Voit and Alfaro are flawed players but fill the other’s need.
Alfaro is not very good snd doesn’t improve the Yanks catching situation. He’s not an upgrade to Higgy so that makes zero sense for the Yanks.
Devish, and you’re fooling yourself if you think right handed Voit is a product of a short right field fence. Don’t watch many Yankees games, do you?
A RH mainly pull hitter is a mirage in NYS?
Mmmkay.
This would be a salary dump for the Yankees. The Padres would give up some fringe A ball prospect only. For the Yankees to get any real prospects back they would have to take either Hosmer or Myer’s contract back. If I was the Padres I’d rather keep Myers than have Voit.
Voit doesn’t make enough for this to be a real salary dump
No to Alfaro. Nola is not a big upgrade to Higgy. Voit looks locked in so far in ST like he was before getting injured last season. If the Yanks must deal him it should be for a pitcher who also has injury concerns like a Lamet. If the Padres throw in Nola than Yanks add Higgy and a prospect like Devei Garcia who is not in top 10 but was once a top 3 prospect and looks likely to be more of a bullpen arm like Lamet. If Campusano is in this deal and not Nola than the Yanks would probably have to add another prospect with Garcia like a Breux who is a big hitting catcher with defensive issues. I just don’t think Campusano is ready so they would have to keep Higgy than. But Campusano comes with some baggage and defensive flaws plus Padre pitchers did not like pitching to him which seems very similar to Gary Sanchez on the Yanks. If it’s Nola who is not much of an upgrade over Higgy than a Nola plus Lamet trade for Voit, Higgy, and maybe a fringe prospect could also work? I think these two teams can make something work that’s beneficial to both but Myers is definitely not coming due to salary and the Yanks having too many RH outfielders as is and the Yanks are not taking Hosmer which is an outrageous suggestion by some padre fans on here!
The only way Myers is coming is if Stanton and his salary (which is never happening because of a no trade) is going back to Padres and a Darvish or Snell is coming with Myers. Not happening….
I think both sides are looking for functional depth. Lamet, Nola and Voit make sense as the principals. Yanks also have a lot of RP depth (Ridings,Abreu,etc.) That can make a deal like this simple.
Myers and/or Hosmer make no sense for the Yanks and I do not see SD shipping off more prospects just to dump them.
Higashioka is a career .183 hitter with a 65 OPS+. Nola is a career .271 hitter with a 114 OPS+. Giant upgrade offensively. And Nola has defensive versatility.
Nola has been worth 0.023 WAR per game to Higgy’s 0.009. So Nola has been worth roughly 2.5 times more WAR per game.
Higgy has struck out 28.4% of the time to Nola’s 18%.
Nola is who I would be shooting for.
@Gwynning (my Padres guy) suggested a Voit for Nola swap (as a framework/starting point). One-for-one won’t work.
So we either have to throw in a legitimate prospect or two, or attach Myers contract to the deal. Either would work. But going from Higashioka to Nola would make our lineup loads better all of the sudden. & Myers would – at the very least – give us a viable bench weapon, which we don’t currently have. So I favor the latter.
Ain’t my money though, which seems to consistently derail my off-season plan. So.
I doubt they’d take Myers back. But so long as it’s not a top tier guy, I think they could work something out with a prospect heading to SD.
Nola would be a pretty nice get and really help lengthen the Yankee lineup.
As do I.
What I would do & what Cash/Hal would do are oftentimes different. & – to be fair – they are right quite frequently. So there’s that.
According to BBTV, there is a gap of around $15MM between Luke & Nola. So: far from insurmountable. But it’ll take some real prospect capital. We won’t get him for Voit & some junk.
“…help lengthen the Yankee lineup.” Yes. We are an Aaron Hicks injury away (pretty good chance of that, uh?) from a lineup that “boasts” three #9 sticks. That strikes me as a problem.
The only thing that makes me a bit hesitant with Austin Nola is that Nola had a 151OPS+ in ‘19, but since was below or at average. Last year he was at 101 OPS+. Was that because of the ball or was it coincidental that it dropped after ‘19? Who knows….
I would take a 101 OPS+ at catcher & merrily walk away with a song in my heart & a bounce in my step, serious.
Nola was hurt last year, couple of different “freak” accidents. Solid player… but he’s worth more than Voit. Be interesting to see how the scales tip if this transpires today! We really don’t want to ship Myers, either.
Voit and Torres for Myers, Campusano, and Paddack. I’d think both sides would be good with that.
No there s bad trade for Yanks
Not including Torres and not adding Myers contract
You would have to give up allot more in prospects to make that deal work for Yanks
Myers creates a logjam and his salary puts the Yanks in 2nd tax threshold. Never happening
Upgrade????
In Petco this guy will stink.
Passss
He can hit it out of any park
This ends the fake argument about his home runs. He hit 11 on the season. Had he played at Petco he would’ve hit 12. His power travels.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/luke-voit-572…
But, but short porch!!!
Just like everyone else, Joe, he’s garbage, useless, & can’t hit out of a little league field. But if they acquire him, suddenly it’s about projected power, and extrapolated HR data for playing 140 games, & ‘20 HR King…
Sounds about right Clipper.
The hilarious thing is when opponents use the short porch against our team they cheer like the porch suddenly doesn’t exist.
LHP Ethan Elliolt, RHR Adrian Martinez, SS Eguy Rosario or CF Jose Azocar
We were both barking up the right tree… nice, sensible post Garry!
I loved voits power and his energy but swapping him for Rizzo at first base makes the Yankees much better defensively and the lineup’s K rate goes down at the same time. Damn good hitter too. Voit is too unreliable health wise
I think the Padres have been linked to just about everyone this off-season.
“Was able to produce” at a .239 ave but “was a drain on all three team categories” ….. MLBTR writers can make any player look good!
Just driving around in Luke Voits car..
Voit was injured much of last year. That’s the key part, last year. Where were the complaints in 2020? He’s one of the few cheap contracts on the NYY. Rizzo is older, more expensive, and has less power. The Yanks are now trying to dump Voit, and every team knows it. Great job of killing any value he had.
Yeah, Stymee, this is a good point, and one that confounds a lot of people. He fell out of favor rather publicly and was clearly a trade candidate from last year through the offseason; it was a matter of time. Did that truly kill his value? We will see, but I’m sure it doesn’t help the negotiation any, for sure.
Yankees will ask for Gore, Tatis, Machado, and Snell and will get upset when the padres say no because they think all their players are babe ruth
Padres will ask for Judge, Cole, Volpe, and Dominguez and will get upset when the Yankees say no because they think all their players are Tony Gwynn
Any mlb front office turns down that deal from the padres prospective, Joe Says. Stop sniffing Judge’s jockstrap
Yeah it’s usually the other way around. Mostly teams upcharging the Yankees, ie, Oakland & the Olson trade. There’s a reason the “Yankees tax” terminology became such common phraseology.
I was sorry to see Rizzo resigning with the Bronx Boogers, he’s better than than.
Such it is with the English language & your sentences…
That was a sentence?
You should ask for your money back. Those ESL classes just didn’t help you at all.
Voit for Tatis.
The yankees are washed up. Stanton, Rizzo, Donaldson. Someone tell Hal it isn’t 2016.
That said, padres will do Voit, Judge, Gallo, Chad Green and Gleyber Torres for Hosmer.
Rumors are Hal loves Hosmer’s beard and his team first attitude.
Nobody on here thinks you’re funny or clever
I know it’s tough being a yankee fan, wondering which one of your players will hit the retirement home next. Truly sorry bud!
@Old York- obviously the Friars would have to give up more.
I heard Hal wishes he was Steve Cohen. Can any Yankee fans confirm if true?
Actually this isn’t true. He really wishes he was Stu Sternberg…. And does everything he can to be like him, but fails, miserably. He has a weird daddy-complex thing around Cohen though, so there’s that.
At this point, Voit is too young for the Yankees.
The Retirees, wait shoot I mean the ***Yankees
Voit can hit, and while he’s empirically reasonably priced at $5.4, he costs more for the Yankees to retain because they will incur CBT penalties, so a pure salary dump (or a near-salary dump for a lottery ticket prospect) has some economic value to Hal. The problem for the Yankees is health–half the team is likely to spend significant time on the DL, and Voit could fill a void.
There’s nothing wrong in trading him, but giving him away or trading him for an underwater contract seems shortsighted. FWIW, I’m not expecting him to get a huge return.
@ mike156;
One of the few well thought out comments on here.
Those old Yankee players are always getting injured, and when older players get injured it takes longer for them to recover and rehab. Been going on with them for years now. Additionally, the older guys run out of gas easier and have to be rested periodically.
Quality depth is important on all MLB teams. The Yankees have had little for years now. Basically they depend on picking up old, often overpaid, discarded veterans off the waiver wire during the season when the injuries hit – something they have to do because their payroll is so top heavy.
I don’t like the idea of the Yankees dealing with Preller. There is no telling what he might give up.
A loaded roster? That’s rather far-fetched. And to act like Rizzo is an upgrade anywhere besides at defense is laughable. Having a LH batter just for the sake of having a LH batter is useless.
We could use Catching depth.
Yanks need to clear up space on their roster. I’d expect them to shop Voit to the teams that missed out on Voit.
I don’t think it would be a good trade with San Diego as the Yankees need a CF & Pitching and unless somehow a Blake Snell or Clevenger packaged with the Yankees giving up more than just Luke it won’t happen. They can’t continue to count on Hicks in CF &a lord and behold I hope they don’t sign Gardner again and moving Gallo to CF although he can be serviceable makes no sense at all either they are better off trying to move Gallo or Hicks eating most of his contract. The problem with the Yankees is the usual Cashman will not admit to his mistakes extension for Hicks, resigning Gardner and then playing him everyday when the Yankees had some life finally with Florial & Allen playing more consistently Yankees were more athletic. Then he trades for Josh & resigns Rizzo which pushes them over the 2nd penalty and now has Luke dangling when most teams now know that he will have to trade him because there is no spot on the roster and they are over the penalty and needs to shed salary he should have traded Luke before the lockout and before signing Rizzo so once again Cashman has overplayed his hand thinking he is smarter than all Gm’s out there.
He would be a good fit for the Cubs. Alas, they think they uncovered a diamond in the rough with Frank the Tank. Unfortunately, their dependence on guys Luke him, Wisdom & Ortega will be part of their downfall IMO. Cubs need to improve their lineup.
Rather have him than Rizzo, if he didn’t have such a stone glove. Higher ceiling but lower floor. He looks good in camp and Rizzo still looks fat.
How about Voit for Darvish?
Don’t see that happening at all as Darvish is owed I believe $37 million and Yankees are trying to shed some salary which again is Cashman’s fault where some Yankee fans are stating Hal is cheap he isnt cheap is that Cashman does not know how to allocate the funds and his insistence on getting high priced older players is his downfall you have to balance the Roster with some young guys and some veterans to balance out the salary.
I feel the Yankees are a fit with the Cubs say Luke & possibly Gil for Contreras as no way in hell the Yankees go with Higgy as the starter.
@Dime
only 5 Yanks are on the 2023 books set to earn over $10 mil so I think he’s done a good job of mixing expensive vets with younger and cheaper players.
I don’t know who might come from SD in a trade, but this makes sense for Luke, who would have to be happy at having a regular role as a DH. He did his best to improve as a defensive first baseman, but you can’t make a wide receiver out of a DT. If not with the Padres, then somewhere else, he should catch a gig as a DH.
For Lammet, Myers, Hosmer and Gore. Yanks need to throw in a young prospect.
Reading some ridiculous overpays in here. Probable one-for-ones for Voit are Reiss Knerr P, Eguy Rosario 2B/SS or Caratini C. Myers, Campusano, Lamet, Gore, Snell, Yu, etc. are not involved without this becoming a larger to-and-fro.
Then put me down for “a larger to & fro.”
Because you are correct. BBTV lists Voit as having $3.1MM value. So – though I am a Big Fan of his – he won’t bring much back on his own. Yet he is certainly not without value.
Tough for two win now clubs to make a mutually win now trade. In the end, we may not line up.
If can, can. If can’t, can’t. (Perhaps my favorite Hawaiian adage.) Be good, buddy! Hearing of your bird hunts makes me jealous, stay safe amigo.
Reiss Knerr is more MLB ready… but Lange has the higher ceiling. Good snag even if he’s years away. I really thought y’all were gunna take Reiss. Cheers Duckers!