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AL Notes: Gausman, Forst, Athletics, Olson, Refsnyder

By Mark Polishuk | July 9, 2022 at 10:22pm CDT

Kevin Gausman won’t start tomorrow’s game against the Mariners, as the Blue Jays righty is still recovering from a bone bruise on his right ankle.  Gausman hasn’t pitched since suffering the injury on July 2, but Jays manager Charlie Montoyo told Sportsnet’s Shi Davidi and other reporters that the team is hoping Gausman can return to the mound on Tuesday when the Blue Jays host the Phillies.

Toronto’s struggling rotation hasn’t been helped by Gausman’s absence, as the Jays’ lack of depth was already being stretched by a recent doubleheader against the Rays, and Ross Stripling’s move to the rotation to replace the injured Hyun Jin Ryu.  Since June 14, the Blue Jays have a 9-16 record, and their pitchers have a cumulative 5.49 ERA — the second-highest total of any team in baseball in that stretch.  Rotation help certainly seems like the Jays’ top priority heading into the trade deadline, but in the short term, the club is just trying to hang onto its status as a wild card team.

More from around the American League…

  • In a wide-ranging interview with The Athletic’s Melissa Lockard, A’s general manager David Forst discussed his team’s struggles, the young talent on the roster and in the farm system, the pitching development team, and many other topics.  Forst also noted how the continued uncertainty over the Athletics’ future in Oakland impacts long-term planning, saying “this is sort of almost cliché at this point, but it’s hard, without a ballpark direction and timeline, to really make a plan on what the next few years look like.  Even internally, it’s hard to know what the team will look like the next couple of years.”
  • Forst also talked some trade possibilities both in the future and in the past, noting that of all the Athletics’ moves during the winter, the deal that sent Matt Olson to the Braves “was the one that we had most discussed prior to the lockout.”  Most of the other notable deals were largely negotiated post-lockout, however, leaving the A’s with little time to both remake their roster and bring in new talent.  “That’s why I sort of say there weren’t enough days to make those deals — which again, we knew we were gonna have to do — and also find ways…to get the current team to the level that we’ve sort of become accustomed to,” Forst said.  No such time crunch exists with the upcoming trade deadline, and to that end, Forst (unsurprisingly) said “there’s no panic” about moving Frankie Montas prior to August 2.  “We didn’t trade him in Spring Training because there wasn’t a trade that made sense for us.  That will continue to be the case.  Whether it’s at the deadline or next offseason or whatever, there’s not a feeling at all that in the next 30 days we have to trade Frankie Montas.”
  • Rob Refsnyder has been an unexpected hero for the Red Sox, posting a .931 OPS over 69 plate appearances since Boston selected his contract on June 10.  Refsnyder inked a minor league deal with the Sox just prior to the lockout, and he also drew interest from the Yankees during the offseason, according to Fox Sports’ Ken Rosenthal (hat tip to MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch).  It would’ve been something of a reunion for Refsnyder in the Bronx, as he was a fifth-round draft pick for the Yankees back in 2012, and he was a well-regarded prospect during his time in New York’s farm system.  However, Refsnyder didn’t hit much in limited playing time in 2015-17, and a trade to the Blue Jays in 2017 kicked off a journeyman stretch for the utilityman — the Red Sox are the ninth different organization of Refsnyder’s career.
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  1. julyn82001

    3 years ago

    A’s Billy Beane and his 2nd in command David Forst there is only so much they can do without resources. If a new stadium in Oakland will generate sufficient resources that remains to be seen as some folks can’t afford to spend 200+ bucks every night. This is not New York, LA or Boston, long considered well bigger plazas for business, players and funds, all together…

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    • case

      3 years ago

      Management is pretty grim right now, lost access to revenue sharing funds cause they were pocketing it and they were condemned by pretty much the entire league for their treatment of minor league employees during the pandemic. I don’t think they’re interested in baseball so much as a prime real estate deal with taxpayers fronting the money for infrastructure.

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      • RyanD44

        3 years ago

        Move them to Vegas. So much more opportunity there and they’d be competitive as hell.

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        • case

          3 years ago

          Vegas seems like the best place to sell all those big luxury box packages, Casinos would snap them up. Kind of a crappy place to play baseball though, middle of the desert.

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      • zacharydmanprin

        3 years ago

        The A’s are scheduled to begin receiving revenue sharing again.

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        • Poster formerly known as . . .

          3 years ago

          John Fisher, heir to the GAP fortune, is the cheapest billionaire owner in baseball.

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      • Samuel

        3 years ago

        “If a new stadium in Oakland will generate sufficient resources that remains to be seen as some folks can’t afford to spend 200+ bucks every night.”

        julyn82001;

        You hit it on the head!

        This nonsense about a new park curing a teams attendance woes is just that. Look at Miami. Pittsburgh has one of the nicest parks in MLB…and on and on…..

        Sure, it’s partially about winning. But it’s also the exorbitant cost to take what used to be a family of 4 to enjoy a game, park, get something to eat, and maybe take some souvenirs home. Additionally, many of the expensive tickets to MLB – as with other sporting events – are being bought by businesses and written off as entertainment expenses. There’s a nice pool to draw from in the larger markets, but most mid and small market teams don’t have many large businesses / corporations / government agencies they can sell to.

        One other thing – this nonsense about expansion….

        Once the newness of having an MLB team wears off and the reality that the team is in what is essentially a small market will create yet another Oakland, Miami, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Cincinnati, etc. situation. The exception is Las Vegas, and that’s partially because the area has grown so, but mostly because it’s an entertainment Mecca where people come to spend money. Out-of-towners will make up a nice portion of those attending games.

        And we aren’t even talking about the watered down play on the field…..

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    • xtraflamy

      3 years ago

      If they are pocketing all the money now (and before this whole stadium mess), then what makes you think they will spend with a new stadium and not just pocket all that new money? The owner is not interested in baseball or winning, just a profitable investment.

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      • case

        3 years ago

        Well, after you get preferential treatment on a real estate deal and the Oakland taxpayers front 800+ million for new infrastructure around the park you sell the new team (and their increased revenue projections) at a huge profit. The front office tries to time the new park with farm system development and some high priced free agent acquisitions to increase the buzz around the new team and increase initial attendance numbers.

        I suppose if you have a Giants type situation you can keep the team and bank on big attendance numbers from fans willing to spend a lot of money, but it could always be a Marlins situation where people just aren’t interested.

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    • Mi Casas es tu Casas

      3 years ago

      Stop making excuses for Beanes 3 decades of failure. Plenty of other teams with lower payroll have had more success.

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      • gbs42

        3 years ago

        Remove, please name these “plenty of other teams.”

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          gbs – I’m not the one who made the comment so I won’t list all the teams, but off the top of my head the 2020 Rays had a lower payroll than Oakland..

          And the 2008 Rays had a lower payroll than Oakland.

          And the 2007 Rockies had a lower payroll than Oakland.

          And the 2003 Marlins had a lower payroll than Oakland.

          And the 2007 Indians had a lower payroll than Oakland

          Those are all teams that did something Beane hasn’t been able to do in 30 years, win a freakin’ LCS game. I’m sure there are plenty more teams that reached the postseason with a payroll lower than Oakland’s. No offense but you kinda made yourself look like an ass by not knowing and immediately implying Remove was wrong. If you had spent a couple minutes on Baseball Reference you’d have known they are right.

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        • gbs42

          3 years ago

          Fever, because the reference was to the last three decades, my question was how many other teams with a low payroll have had the overall success Oakland has had in the last 30 years, not teams having successful individual seasons.

          I am well aware of those individual seasons. I really don’t understand the need to call me an ass when you’re the one who misunderstood my point.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          gbs – I didn’t call you one, I’d never do that. I said you kinda made yourself look like one, big difference.

          I apologize for getting somewhat triggered there, it’s just that the “no resources” excuse gets used way too often. If you want to turn it around and compare cumulative success over several years, that would be nearly impossible to quantify because there are so many variables. Team payroll rankings fluctuate from year to year, and regular season success is difficult to calculate with the unbalanced schedules.

          Certainly though, the Rays would qualify as having more cumulative success with a lower payroll. Could also make a case for Cleveland.

          Regardless, a whole lotta teams have had more success with lower payrolls on a year-by-year basis than Oakland. The fact that only Oakland and Pittsburgh (I think no other teams) hasn’t won an LCS game since 1992 is proof enough.

          BTW – You never made a point, all you did was challenge someone that you thought was wrong. Julyn is the one who made the (erroneous) point that Oakland can’t win without resources.

          Anyway, peace out.

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        • case

          3 years ago

          The larger question is why he would think that reaching the LCS and winning at least one game is great success, while reaching the LCS but getting swept is abject failure.

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        • iverbure

          3 years ago

          The larger question is actually why they didn’t know the playoffs is a complete crapshoot in baseball. A series of 50/50 coin flips very easy to lose 10 in a row.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          case – The ALDS didn’t even exist until 1995.

          Winning a weak division title or a WC is not indicative of a good team. Any team can get lucky and win a best-of-5 first round series.

          The LCS is a best of 7, if you can’t win even one game then yeah your season was not successful.

          The even larger question, where did I write getting swept is an abject failure? It’s being used as a measure of success, nothing more.

          For a team to go 30 years without winning an LCS game … wow, that’s sad.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          bure – The even larger question, why do you not know the reasons behind all the failures of Beane’s teams?

          What you call a crapshoot, everyone else calls poorly constructed Moneyball teams that didn’t value defense or baserunning or overall fundamentals. I can provide some really good articles if you’re interested in learning.

          It’s very easy to fail to win a LCS game in 11 (not 10) consecutive postseason appearances? Really?

          Can you provide examples of other teams failing like that for 11 consecutive postseason appearances?

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        • DogDays2

          3 years ago

          So I guess the players, and not Beane get credit when they make the playoffs. But Beane is blamed, and not the players when they don’t win in the postseason. Interesting.

          I do think some of his methods are overhyped but to say he hasn’t been successful despite his lack of resources/ payroll, stadium, fan support, market is simply clueless.

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        • MLB-1971

          3 years ago

          Gbs42 – what you do not understand is that Fever is also an ass. He is not capable of being anything other than an ass.

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        • jmi1950

          3 years ago

          Everyone needs to ignore Fever he is a troll. What he wants is to derail any reasonable discussion and dominant the site.

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        • Mi Casas es tu Casas

          3 years ago

          You sound like a burned Yankee fan. Get over it.

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        • Mi Casas es tu Casas

          3 years ago

          Who named you leader of MLBTR jackass.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          Drag – Players should always get credit for success.

          Beane not being able to put together a team capable of winning even one ALCS game is on him, obviously. If he had made it to a World Series at least a couple times, sure he should share the credit.

          Just curious, which years do you believe he had success?

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        • gbs42

          3 years ago

          Fever,

          You’re the one who brought the word “ass” into the conversation in reference to me. You call your usage a big difference, I call it splitting hairs.

          What years did Beane have success? In 2000, ’01, ’02, ’03, ’04, ’06, ’12, ’13, ’14, ’18, ’19, and 20 they won 90 games and/or made the playoffs. While they only won one postseason series in that time, those seem like pretty successful seasons to me. YMMV.

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      • ARC 2

        3 years ago

        Frost needs to stop making excuses about poor players on the team when he brings up these AAAA players with no future. Right now the A’s have Skye Bolt who is terrible on the field and hitting. They have Machin who can’t hit too. 2 old vets that has 0 future but keep the bench warm. A closer with a ERA of over 6. most of the rest are platoon hitters.
        Frost put together the worse A’s lineup ever. So instead of excuses he failed poorly on selecting players. I rather see young prospects up getting a taste of MLB instead of a bunch of cast offs.

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    • jekporkins

      3 years ago

      The A’s are clearly pushing to get out of Oakland. They trade their best players, then raise prices nearly DOUBLE for 2022 – not just tickets but parking and concessions.

      To see this comment… “this is sort of almost cliché at this point, but it’s hard, without a ballpark direction and timeline, to really make a plan on what the next few years look like. Even internally, it’s hard to know what the team will look like the next couple of years.””… just shows they are trying to push/force MLB to let them relocate.

      I live in the Bay and I’m exhausted by it. Get out and good riddance. Worst ownership in baseball.

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  2. Lyman Bostock

    3 years ago

    Matt Olson already has 33 doubles!!?? Wow.

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    • case

      3 years ago

      Olson was definitely our best player, a consistent hitter with stellar defense that makes the entire infield better.

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      • olereb

        3 years ago

        I’m a Braves fan and I like Freddy Freeman, but I like Matt Olsen also, in the long run the trade for Matt will be much better for us than keeping Freddy. Someone was right, he does have a long beautiful swing and when he barrels it, you see it go

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  3. Manfred’s playing with the balls

    3 years ago

    Red Sox fans always made fun yankee fans for overhyping Refsynder. Now he’s playing at an all star level in Boston. That’s kind of funny.

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    • whyhayzee

      3 years ago

      Brock Holt was actually an All Star. Blake Swihart? Not so much. Fans are funny.

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      • miltpappas

        3 years ago

        Too bad Swihart doesn’t receive royalties for having his name mentioned in MLB Trade Rumors. The guy would be a multi-millionaire.

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        • Reggie Smith

          3 years ago

          Swihart never got higher than #3 on Red Sox prospect list. And, he only got that high, the year after Bogaerts, Betts and Bradley graduated, when the Red Sox had a bit of a void in top end talent.

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    • Horace Fury

      3 years ago

      I do indeed remember those days when the alpha and omega of the Yankees prospects was Refsnyder, all by his lonesome. Apparently he was always a bad fit for 2B, by his own admission. I hope the Sox regard him as a keeper, because he looks like a cost-effective, genuine 4th outfielder who can also start for long stretches as needed. It isn’t easy to find good players who will accept and do well in a part-time role.

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    • DionJameskilledmyparakeet

      3 years ago

      It’s good to see Refsnyder playing even better than his all star level play from 2015. When you combine his 47 plate appearances from 2015 with the 74 from 2022, it’s pretty plain to see Ref is back on his Hall of Fame trajectory.

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    • Bright Side

      3 years ago

      Test him for roids.

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  4. Dumpster Divin Theo

    3 years ago

    As GM David Forst. Wasn’t he in consultations with Otis Nixon at one point, Those Forst-Nixon deliberations were the stuff of legend.

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    • hiflew

      3 years ago

      Whomp whomp

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  5. rocky7

    3 years ago

    Yes, for all those MLB TradeRumors “experts” and ready to work wannabe GM’s who wouldn’t have traded a bucket of balls for Refsnyder and had months of fun degrading his abilities and making all those “genius” comments……….who’s laughing now experts? What, no comments from the experts?
    He may never be Ted Williams, but he certainly is currently helping the Sox stay in contention with some ridiculously good play both in the field and certainly at the plate….whether he can keep this up will remain to be seen, but everyone should remember every dog can find a warm piece of the sidewalk once in awhile.

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    • jmi1950

      3 years ago

      My dog always finds the one sun spot in my yard, and cows lay down before it starts raining so they have a dry spot.

      Only trolls like Fever don’t know the difference between rain and sun.

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  6. BobGibsonFan

    3 years ago

    “kicked off a journeyman stretch for the utilityman ”
    Journeyman – a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding:
    “a solid journeyman professional”
    Utilityman – A player who can play in several different positions.
    Is Refsnyder either of these? He’s starting and doing pretty well and he plays outfield..

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    • Samuel

      3 years ago

      A nice man born in Korea and adopted by a couple in California when he was 5 months old.

      The man long ago came further and accomplished more then all the cheap shot artists on here that made – and continue to make – fun of him.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      3 years ago

      Bob – Yes I’ve been saying for a while now, when Hernandez returns they better keep Duran/Ref. The team doesn’t have enough offense to continue giving OF starts to JBJ or Arroyo.

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      • Rsox

        3 years ago

        That actually does create an interesting scenario. However i do not see JBJ getting released but i suppose they can stash Arroyo on the IL for a while since he’s usually injured anyway

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  7. User 355748524

    3 years ago

    Refsnyder currently has a inflated BABIP (.373) and line drive rate (35.2 percentage). I reckon he will most certainly come down to Earth, but at the very least his good defense is likely to stick.

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    • kingbum

      3 years ago

      If I’m the Sox I’m looking to trade Refsnyder he won’t ever have more value than he has right now. He’s not going to continue at a .931 OPS and maybe someone over pays for that production. He’s been great but he was a career journeyman, how long before Cinderella’s glass slipper falls off and he becomes a pumpkin?

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      • KyleT

        3 years ago

        Why would they trade Ref? He’s playing good. Crowd favorite. Red Sox are in the hunt. The bag of baseballs you’d get back isn’t worth it.

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        • kingbum

          3 years ago

          I think the return would be more than a bag of balls, I think you can get the vending machines stocked for a couple years as well. Players are like stocks, you sell high and buy low. Refsnyder has been playing way above his track record, he’s bringing it but do you really think it will continue? I don’t and that’s why you trade him and see what you can get. Find the bigger upside

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        • KyleT

          3 years ago

          “like stock” — Yes and no, stock have no other purpose but to make you money. So youre comparison at selling high makes sense. But since you put players on the field, and thats their primary purpose, while stocks are non-fungible and do nothing else, they are very different.

          Also, since Ref would only bring a fringe minor leaguer, do the Red Sox really need more of that? Bloom is master at those types of player (for good or bad). They have an abundance of them. Thats how we got Ref. Keep him, use him, and move on at end of season, or maybe sign again.

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  8. charlesk

    3 years ago

    The Blue Jays are not currently in a playoff spot. The Mariners hold the last wild card tiebreaker after taking the season series against the Jays 4-2; so the Jays would be out of the playoffs if the season ended today. This is regression to an 84-win pace, not next level… and don’t look now, but Baltimore is only two games back of us for 4th place in the AL East… #NotNextLevel

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  9. mafiabass

    3 years ago

    Is it still too early to put Refsnyder in the HoF?

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