9:04am: MLB.com’s Mark Bowman reports that while an MRI did not raise concern about Tommy John surgery for Fried, the Braves still don’t expect this to be a short-term absence. Fried will be shut down from throwing while his forearm heals, and while there’s no concrete timeline, it’ll likely be long enough that he’ll need to build back up from scratch.
8:31am: The Braves announced Tuesday that they’ve placed left-hander Max Fried on the 15-day injured list due to a strained left forearm. His placement on the IL is retroactive to May 6. Fellow left-hander Danny Young has been recalled from Triple-A Gwinnett in his place.
It’s the second IL trip of the young season for Fried, who exited his Opening Day start due to a hamstring strain that required an absence of a couple weeks. The Braves hadn’t given a concrete indication that Fried was dealing with an injury prior to this morning’s announcement, though manager Brian Snitker somewhat cryptically said over the weekend that the team was “going through some things” when determining the timing of Fried’s next start.
Fried, 29, entered his most recent start having yielded just one run through his first 20 innings of the 2023 season before being trounced by the Orioles for seven runs (five earned) in six innings. After averaging 94.8 mph on his fastball through the season’s first three starts, that velocity dipped to an average of 93.5 mph over his two most recent turns.
The Braves haven’t provided a timetable for Fried’s return or given any indication as to the severity of the strain at this time. Even if it’s only a minimal absence for Fried, it’s still a blow to an Atlanta club that was already operating with only four healthy starters. Right-hander Kyle Wright is out indefinitely due to a shoulder strain, and the Braves lost righty Ian Anderson to Tommy John surgery earlier in the 2023 season.
That slate of injuries had already left the Braves with Fried, Spencer Strider, Charlie Morton and Bryce Elder as their rotation options. Fried going down will likely require the team to call up two of Dylan Dodd, Jared Shuster and Michael Soroka from Gwinnett to step onto the starting staff.
Both Dodd and Shuster have been hit hard in limited MLB action this season, however, and both have displayed uncharacteristically shaky command in their handful of Triple-A starts as well. Soroka, meanwhile, pitched just 13 2/3 innings from 2020-22 (big leagues and minors combined) due to a series of injuries — namely a pair of Achilles tears. He’s gone more than four innings in just one of his five starts with Gwinnett and has been hit hard in each of his past two appearances, yielding a combined ten earned runs in seven innings of work.
There are other options to consider, though they’d require an additional 40-man roster move. Twenty-seven-year-old righty Allan Winans, for instance, has pitched to a solid 2.90 ERA in six appearances (four starts) with impressive strikeout and walk rates. He tossed six quality innings on May 3 and, speculatively speaking, could be an option in the next couple weeks if the Braves want to make space for him on the 40-man roster. Lefty Domingo Robles and righty Tanner Gordon were both recently bumped up to Triple-A after strong starts to the season in Double-A, but both have been hit hard in their first appearances with Gwinnett and neither is on the 40-man.
Certainly, in the event of a prolonged absence for Fried, it’s easier to envision the Braves going outside the organization to address the sudden vacancies in the rotation. That’s a scenario most Braves fans would prefer not to think about. The team figures to have more updates on Fried’s status in the near future.
In the meantime, Young’s recall from Gwinnett will give Atlanta an extra arm in the bullpen. He’s appeared in four games for the big league club already this season, holding opponents to a run on three hits and no walks with six punchouts in 3 2/3 frames. Things have been a bit rockier in Gwinnett, where he’s surrendered four runs on nine hits (two homers) and two walks with six punchouts in 4 2/3 innings. Young, 28, is a pure reliever whose lone professional start was with the Blue Jays’ Low-A affiliate back in 2015, so he won’t be a rotation option while Fried is on the mend.
Significant blow to that rotation. We all know what this is a pre cursor to. Hopefully its not, but here we are.
Had Tommy John surgery years ago. Only reason they were able to get him for a year of Justin Upton (in one of the most pointless trades in modern history for a Pads club that clearly wasn’t even gonna compete). Not necessarily always a sign of the elbow going out though, but it’s never a good sign
Boycott the pitch clock
Boycott it three times… you’re out.
Boycott it four times… take your base.
Wow they are dropping like flies this season. Still they are overcoming quite well so far but if they ever get full strength again watch out
This Braves rotation is always injured and they still consistently own that division. It’s unreal.
Depth. Some GMs work on building depth in the minors, some dont.
Incoming Anthoplous extension offer.
RunDmc….that was literally my first thought lol sheesh
If he needs a second TJS, how can you quantify any sort of value? Pitchers who have had 2(or more) were never half of themselves or had a brief run of success before falling off a cliff.. Regardless Fried’s stock just plummeted, IMO.
They have Colin McHugh, why not stretch him out and plug him in like they did Strider, last season. McHugh has been a SP before, too..?
Re: Collin McHugh, I was thinking the same thing. Him and/or Chavez.
Jameson Taillon, Nathan Eovaldi, Daniel Hudson all had TJ surgeries, I believe. While Fried’s stock would take a hit, I believe he should still be the first one of them to secure a $100M deal following the surgery – though I hope it’s not necessary.
McHugh has started before. Let’s see what they do!!
Thye are on the hook to Fried next year for 20–no matter what. So if they offered 8 for 140—its really 7 for 120. Please do this! I am a believer in Max and he will pitch till he is older than Morton at a high level..
That’s a bold offer. A lot could change on the value of this offer over the next couple of months. Already though, ATL FO would have to soften to their stance on going past age-36 seasons, as Fried would be 37 on an 8-year deal.
Yeah… that’s all that matters… stock?
All organizations work on building depth. What’s impressive about the Braves is they rarely miss.
Yankees have not been working on depth. They’ve been trading it away.
Oh, the Braves miss quite a bit of the time, but they generally move them off quickly in trades once they realize they have hit a plateau, though sometimes it’s well after the value has dropped. (Waters, Pache, Muller, Wilson, Bryce Ball, etc.).
I am a Braves fan and I think the front office is doing well, especially after having to overcome the International signing fiasco. That being said, I equate this to the Seahawks a decade or so ago. Everyone goes on and on about how great the drafts were and how much talent they brought it .. but in my mind the reality was the Seahawks were so bad at every position that they HAD to start alot of those draft picks .. and that playing time allowed those guys to get better, grow together with chemistry, and avoid the ‘bombed out due to lack of playing time’ that hit’s so many players.
For the Braves, there were many years under Cox and Gonzalez that we just kept running out average or worse vets and not letting the kids come up. Under Snitker and the current front office, the Braves have not been afraid to play the prospects. I think them rolling the dice more makes it seem like they have hit on more prospects.
To be far, this year everyone else is rolling over for them.
To be equally fair, they’re better than ‘everyone else’.
If the Braves win, they’re rolling over for them. I bet if the Mets win it was just a well earned win, right? I mean can’t you at least TRY to hide your bias?
Mets can’t even beat the jobber teams. They’re a joke.
And choke in the playoffs!
Braves and rays and Astros have depth with lots of prospects in minors unlike red sox who don’t have crap for pitching depth
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Waiting for the new rule allowing pitchers to throw from wheelchairs…
Waiting for Coach-Pitch.
Remember the “cripple pitch”.
I feel like it’s become fashionable for players this year to rock mustaches. I personally think it makes em look like 80s porn stars. But that’s just me.
I thought the very same thing the first time I saw Dylan Cease last year. If he was shooting for the Freddie Mercury look, he nailed it deluxe.
The phonetics will have to match the spelling of Mr. Fried now.
Terrible. Just hope it doesn’t require TJS.
Is Fried fried?
Not sure he was exactly “trounced” in that start against the Orioles, but ok. Yes, Fried was charged with 5er, but Joe Jimenez gave up a grand slam to Santander. Before that Fried had given up 3er, but typical Fried fashion they were soft hit balls in the infield along with 2 of his own throwing errors.
That he only was 1 mph off while pitching thru a strain, is quite surprising.
I know the Braves had some depth in the upper minors, but one has to think that AA is already mulling outside options. Wonder how much longer before the Sox start shopping Giolito.
Atlanta’s not trading the prospects it would take for a rental like Giolito. It would have to be someone more controllable or else they’d shoot for a lower end player with a smaller price tag.
Atlanta is in buy mode. They flipped that switch last year.
I know their history would suggest otherwise, but they have been shipping out prospects regaulrly the last couple of years for guys like Rodriguez, Jimenez, Iglesias, Olson, and Murphy, Adrianza, Bracho, Odorizzi, and even Chavez at one point.
The Braves system ranking is very low overall, and they have a significant part of their core locked up. They really have no reason to not to try to take advantage of this window and they have absolutely shown they are ready to do so.
This is nonsense fans tells themselves to hype themselves up.. The Braves have won 5 straight division titles on top of multiple trips to the NLCS and a World Series… They’ve been in buy mode and they’ve been in this situation at one position or another nearly every year. 100% chance AA’s playing the long game like he always does and not trading big pieces for a rental. There’s no rental that replaces Fried or Wright anyway. Giolito is not as good and costs you notable prospects Atlanta doesn’t have many of left.
If it is it’ll be his 2nd. Not good.
Good thing for the Braves is that they are the only team that decided to compete this year from the division.
Heh heh heh heh…
HEH HEH HEHEHE HEH!
Don’t laugh the Mets just signed Gary sanchez
Yes, that’s a good thing.
Well, they’re far, far better.
So that’s a factor.
It’s May. Things will change, but the Braves lead is impressive and the schedule means less in-division games, so catching up seems unlikely.
I liked the old schedule, just for that reason.
Same. If they’re keeping this “balanced” schedule they should just do away with divisions completely. Take the top teams in each league and seed them accordingly. Don’t get me wrong, I prefer traditional division play, but it makes no sense with the tweaked schedule. Division races may be over in July.
Well, seems to me that if you have divisions, most if the schedule should be divisional play. Otherwise, it’s just made for TV BS.
Wait a minute. It IS made for TV BS.
You’re correct. They should just seed the teams league-wide. And give the top seed(s) some sort of reward, like extra home games or something.
If I had my druthers, I’d expand to 32 teams, do away with inter-league play, and re-emphasize intra-division play. This would reward division winners and re-introduce the excitement of two teams in the WS who hadn’t played each other and had no common opponents.
@VonPurpleHayes You still play the teams in your own division the most often. It’s just not as unbalanced as it was, and now you get to play every team at least once.
Sounds good. I might also re-align the divisions so that geographic rivals are in the same divisions. Yankees/Mets, Wash/Balt, Dodgers/Angels, etc.
Nashville (when it gets a team)
Charlotte (When/if it gets a team)
Putting teams in same league in same city could affect the revenues. Like so many years it was fine to be an athletics and giants fan but if they were in the same league and division it would be different. As maybe not New York teams but sure like dodger fans if their team were not still alive in post season would go watch the angels if they were. Now if both been in the same division and league would make that kinda hard.
All about revenue as a failing team like the athletics have the Braves this year so I brought other wise probably won’t go to their stadium
The schedule also means more games against the bad teams outside the division like practically the entire NL Central..
That’s some sad cope you have going on there.
Is the pitching clock having a negative impact on the pitchers’ health?
I think there’s enough evidence to make a hypothesis. Difficult to say with certainty, but it certainly seems like it’s having an impact. The idea that faster games is an improvement is debatable.
I have to disagree.
Pitchers are getting the surgery in HS and college. The surgery is becoming more prevalent, and has been for years.
I don’t mean TJ. Max Fried had TJ already. I just think in general, a lot of pitcher’s are getting hurt early.
Pitch clock, the WBC? What else will people blame injuries on besides the way players’ build and maintain their bodies nowadays? Baseball movement is unnatural movement to a human body. Injuries are bound to happen.
According to BIS there have been a record number of pitcher IL visits so far this season. 12% more than last season through the 1st 32 games. To say its because of pitch clock is questionable since there was not a similar increase in IL visits in the minors when they instituted it there.
I’m just a baseball observer after being an amateur player eons ago. But it seems like so many of the fast working pitchers I used to watch had long, fruitful careers with far greater workloads than pitchers now face.
@quonset When you have a season where significantly more injuries happen earlier, you have to look at what makes that particular season stand out. You can’t blame every injury on the pitch clock, but we’ve seen a big increase in injuries to pitchers in 2023. Injuries were bound to happen in 2022 too, and we saw them, but not this much this early.
When these surgeries have become common at almost every level there seems to me to be one common thread, everyone is throwing the ball harder. Remember the movie,”The Rookie”? when he asked, do you know how many people can throw a ball 97 mph? He said, very few. Now college weekend starters are all 95 and higher. The Glavines and Madduxes are a thing of the past. Throwing harder puts more strain on your shoulder and elbow. Isn’t it pretty simple?
It is pretty simple, Aaronfan.
I don’t have a ready-made answer. I do believe overthrowing is probably the root cause.
Again, they used to preach ‘pitching’ vice ‘throwing’. Whitey Ford used to say ‘I can tug on the front foot of any hitter in the league.’ Spahn would say, “Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing.” These gentlemen knew what they were talking about.
I will throw one out .. the ‘balanced schedule’. It has resulted in more double-headers and sitting through rain delays and such due to the fact their are fewer opportunities to ‘make up games’ during a later series. I think that puts more burden on the pitching than it does the hitting.
That being said ,I personally think this all goes back to trying to max effort most pitches, especially now that spin rate has become so popular. Pitchers used to pitch, instead of max velo/spin everything. They could go longer in games and they HAD to protect their arms as their was no reliable way to come back from a blown up arm. After TJ surgery was proven to be successful for a decade or so and steroids blew up HR numbers, pitchers started going for broke. Why not, I mean it made DeGrom a vast fortune, and he is just one example.
Of course, Steve, it’s money driven.
That’s why the movie was called Moneyball.
From a purely baseball standpoint, I watched Mel Stottlemyre and Fritz Peterson pitch CG wins in a doubleheader in 1968. No one even warmed up. Neither game was over 2-1/2 hours. 25-man roster. No pitch clock.
Someone else in this thread mentioned Glavine & Maddox. Neither lit up the radar gun, and I suspect neither guy gave a hoot about it.
That was also in a time where the strike zone was a foot wider
in the Minors the players are ‘generally’ younger and the clock might not have the same effect.
For what? Donating a ligament to Fried?
Ew. I’d rather have Fried throw right handed.
I’d rather have Vida Blue in his current state.
Too soon disrespectful
I think that would be disrespectful no matter how long it wasm
I’ll run all my comments by you guys first from now on.
If I were one of Blue’s kinfolk, you wouldn’t be running at all.
It’s worth a shot. He might very well be more effective at sea level. Now if the name Dallas Keuchel is even whispered in the FO, that individual should be permanently institutionalized.
Keuchel, Cole Hamels, Madbum, Arrieta.. these situations are what those old guys hang around for.
That reminds me, haven’t heard any Hamels updates from El Paso. I wonder how that’s going.
I don’t think he has pitched anywhere this season yet.
What is going on with the training staff? 3 Too Flight Arms all go down? We talking bad offseason programs? Poor scale up in Spring Training? Fool me 3 times and it can’t be a coincidence.
If TJ is coming, it’s in Fried’s best interest to get it now so he’ll have time to come back prior to being a FA. He doesn’t want to still be healing when he declares.
Hypothetically if he gets TJS right now, he’d probably be out until the 2025 season anyways. 12-18 month recovery time. At that point, you’d have to think that AA would probably try to sign him to a 2-3 year contract(buying out his last year of arb and a season or two of “prove it years”. If he declines, Braves probably non tender him next season.
That 2025 season gives him a year to prove himself and get a good contract. Waiting until next year would put him in a bind contract wise. The Braves won’t non-tender Fried. He’s too valuable to be non-tendered.
Hes a free agent after the 2024 season….inwhich he’d be recovering from TJS. There is a chance he has pitched his last pitch in Atlanta. Why would ATL keep him on the payroll if he’s going to spend the entire season on the IL and then walk in free agency?
His timing is incredibly bad. I thought he was under team control until after the 2025 season.
Maxi Pad cant catch a break!! LFG SOROKA!!!!
Maybe we could get Mason Miller from the A’s for Vaughn Grissom and a bucket of balls.
I think AA is banned from making anymore trades with the As.
Oops. I left out Rooker.
They could have BP games But start them off with Dodd, Shuster and Soroka. To get them a little more MLB ready. And plug in Chavez and McHugh for long relief?
Possible, but I think you really only want one start a week like that or you burn up your bullpen, especially when Strider and Elder can’t seem to go past six innings on their starts.
I just think they will roll with Shuster and Dodd so they don’t eat up any more 40-man slots and be ready to be a semi-bullpen game as you suggested, but hope they can get 5 out of them at the least.
It’s over for the Braves. They’ve got no pitching
Elder-Dodd-Soroka/Shuster is going to get lit up
It’ll put big strain on the bullpen. And what if age finally catches up to Morton?
It’s the end of the empire
Yes. Clearly over for the Braves as they keep stretching out an already large division lead. When the clinch the playoffs early they should throw in the towel.
That cammie is a funny guy, eh?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yup. Lit up like Rid Skilton
Lmao that’s comical. Elder for one has been a studd, two not enough from Dodd or schuster to say such. Soroka is a complete wildcard sure. They will be fine AA is king, he will trade for someone great and extend them for 10 years 250k.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Elder is old
What is wrong with pitchers and training staffs these days? I would gladly give up a few strikeouts and even 0.5 – 1.0 mph on a few fastballs and sliders each game to have a pitcher start 25-30 games a year, Year AfterYear,without all these TJ surgeries. Something f’ing wrong with analytics if they can’t identify and quantify what it takes to last a season, season after season, without spending MILLIONS around MLB to pay for pitchers on the IL having these surgeries and out for 18 months rehabbing.
Let’s go,numbers crunchers, and tell us what it takes to have a pitcher stay healthy enough to pitch for six-eight years and be successful and avoid injury. It certainly isn’t the 100 pitch pitch count. It certainly isn’t a five man rotation instead of four man rotation.
They know what causes the injuries. They view the injuries as the cost for pitchers performing at peak level on each pitch. It’s their money, their arms, and their choice.
Mediocre pitchers don’t make nearly as much as often injured filthy pitchers.
That’s the ‘cost’ of guys in suits, who’ve never played above tee-ball, ‘analyzing’ actual players as if they’re part of a video game.
Even the Cardinals have now adopted the max velocity and spin rate pitching model. That’s a lot of the chaos surrounding the staff this year. I also think it’s why Maddox resigned.
I would tend to agree with Maddux.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Stick a form in em. Fried looks baked
Stick many forms, Theo?
What do you do roll ’em up and insert?
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Dumpster Divin Theo
Forms- SFW autocorrect
They aren’t really in a position to make a move to bring in anyone significant via trade. The prospects are mostly their pitching depth and they need every position player on the roster (except Ozuna probably). Unless they are willing to trade Dodd and Shuster for a pitcher and maybe shewmake if he has much value at all
I obviously forgot they could trade Grissom.
Not that the Braves would do it. But Bauer pitched well, and you could assume he has an opt out clause to come back to the MLB.
I gonna say something crazy…and I don’t know that I shouldn’t roast myself for saying it…Bumgarner. If you can get him at league minimum. He’s from Braves country, so maybe playing near home helps him find some form again?
like sign Madbum to a minors deal–see if he does okay and bring him up after 4/5 okay/fine starts….what would be the risk? If Madbum wouldn’t pitch in minors then thats cool.
I say sell stratospherically high right now when he comes off of IR…I don’t like this trend nor where it usually ends up. He has two years of control. That should get you a top 15 prospect plus a 2nd or 3rd string pitcher…Remember Ozuna for Alcantara? Yea, something like that.
Bring Soroka in and pitch him as much as you can until his innings limit is reached, by then maybe one of the injured will be back or we can rob Oakland again and get a pitcher.
No.. START the sentence with meanwhile, don’t throw it in the middle. Bad writer. Bad. No treat for you.
Either three dots… or one, professor.