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Texas Notes: deGrom, Scherzer, Tucker, Verlander

By Nick Deeds | October 17, 2023 at 9:14pm CDT

While the Rangers have gone 7-0 so far through the postseason, ace right-hander Jacob deGrom has been forced to watch his club’s success from home after undergoing Tommy John surgery back in June. The long time Mets righty sat down with Joel Sherman of the New York Post recently to discuss his recovery process four months removed from the surgery.

Fortunately, it appears that deGrom’s rehab process is going rather well. A typical timeline for a pitcher in deGrom’s situation would be somewhere between 14 and 18 months before returning to a big league mound but deGrom expressed optimism that he could return to the Rangers at the earlier end of that window, with August 2024 as a stated goal. Of course, there’s a long road ahead to reach that point, though Sherman notes that deGrom has regained full range of motion at this point and will be able to return to throwing shortly after the new year, with a mound in sight come Spring Training.

If deGrom is indeed healthy and effective come the stretch run in 2024, he’d surely provide a massive boost to a Rangers club that dominated for much of the 2023 regular season and has seemingly found a second wind during the postseason in spite of a difficult stretch run that saw the club slow to a 38-33 record in the second half this season. Ignoring any possible offseason additions, deGrom would return to a 2024 rotation group that projects to feature former Mets co-ace Max Scherzer, veterans Nathan Eovaldi and Jon Gray, southpaw Andrew Heaney, and right-hander Dane Dunning. When on the mound for the Rangers this year, deGrom was nothing short of excellent with a 2.67 ERA and 1.54 FIP across six starts. His current contract runs through the end of the 2027 season, with a 2028 club option that triggered as a result of him undergoing Tommy John surgery earlier this year.

More from around the state of Texas…

  • Sticking with the Rangers, manager Bruce Bochy spoke to reporters this afternoon regarding tomorrow’s Game 3 of the ALCS, where Scherzer is expected to take the mound in a competitive setting for the first time in over a month due to a teres major strain. While Bochy didn’t specify whether or not Scherzer would have any sort of limitations on him headed into tomorrow’s game, Cody Stavenhagen of The Athletic relayed that Bochy referred to 70 pitches as a “baseline” for Scherzer. That’s in line with his previously reported 68-pitch simulated game prior to the ALCS. If Scherzer is indeed limited in some capacity during tomorrow’s game, the Rangers have plenty of long relief options available to them, including Cody Bradford and Martin Perez.
  • Meanwhile, Astros manager Dusty Baker spoke to reporters (including The Athletic’s Chandler Rome) this afternoon regarding the club’s plans for the remainder of the ALCS, in which they trail their division rival 0-2. Baker noted that he’s spoken to outfielder Kyle Tucker about a potential move down the batting order, though he emphasized that such a move would be temporary. It’s been a rough postseason for Tucker, as the 26-year-old has gone hitless in the ALCS so far after slashing just .143/.294/.214 in 17 trips to the plate against the Twins during the ALDS. Baker did not, however, indicate whether or not the club is considering turning to veteran ace and future Hall of Famer Justin Verlander on short rest for Game 4, saying that the club hasn’t discussed the possibility yet. Verlander would be on three days of rest for Game 4, a situation in which the Astros have used him in the playoffs before. As Rome notes, Verlander struggled against the Rays in Game 4 of the ALDS back in 2019 on three days of rest, allowing four runs in 3 2/3 innings of work.
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  1. mlb fan

    2 years ago

    Kyle Tucker is a better corner OF and all around player than the much more hyped Juan Soto; that being said, this postseason is the worst I’ve seen him look in a long time.

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    • websoulsurfer

      2 years ago

      5.6 bWAR, 158 OPS+, 5.5 fWAR, 155 wRC+
      5.4 bWAR, 142 OPS+, 4.9 fWAR, 140 wRC+

      That is just this season. If you take the last 3 it’s even more lopsided.

      The answer is no, Tucker is not a better all-around player.

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      • Hemlock

        2 years ago

        Soto is almost 2 years younger
        Soto leads in OPS+ 158 to 142
        Soto leads in bWAR 5.6 to 5.4 (barely)
        Soto leads in boWAR 6.1 to 5.3 (offense)
        Tucker leads in bdWAR -0.4 to -1.1 (defense)
        Tucker leads in RBI 112 to 109
        Tucker leads in SB 30/5 to 12/5 (SB/CS)
        Soto leads in HR 35 to 29
        =============================

        I struggled to find anything that Tucker is better at, statistically, than Soto. Aside from speed and “defense”, that is.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          Speed and defense are half the game, unless you only do fantasy league. Any GM that would take Soto over Tucker is an imbecile. Soto is the better hitter by a small margin, but he really should be a DH now. Just wait til he ages. I see Adam Dunn comparisons.

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        • websoulsurfer

          2 years ago

          Speed and defense go first as players age. The only things Tucker does better than Soto are the very things that regress fastest, and Tucker is 2 years older.

          Soto is a better contributor on offense, to runs being scored, by a large margin. By OPS+ and wRC+ he was 15-16% better last season. 21-22% over the last 3 seasons.

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  2. Old York

    2 years ago

    Jacob deGrom’s goal of returning to the Rangers’ rotation by August 2024 might be a bit optimistic given the complexities of Tommy John surgery recovery. It’s crucial to prioritize his long-term health and not rush the process, as setbacks could occur, impacting both his contract and the team’s prospects for the 2024 season.

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  3. SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs

    2 years ago

    I expect Scherzer to pace around like a maniac as always then proceed to give up 6 runs in 2.2 innings

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    • Old York

      2 years ago

      @RayKingsThickThighs

      He’s toast. Should have retired before this season started.

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      • justinkm19

        2 years ago

        Toast? He’s pitched really well this year.

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        • Old York

          2 years ago

          @justinkm19

          Okay, I guess with the Mets he was toast. Seems with the Rangers he knows how to pitch.

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        • User 1104686089

          2 years ago

          I don’t know, I didn’t watch him much with the Mets. Max has been pretty good for the Rangers overall, curious to see how the long rest effects him. He is a competitor for sure

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          It wasn’t rest. It was recovery. They are not the same thing. Kinda like saying a heart attack allows a person to rest.

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      • justinkm19

        2 years ago

        He’s not at home. He’s been in the dugout.

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  4. sfes

    2 years ago

    Yikes, August 2024? A real shame that baseball fans don’t get to see him work his magic. Damn man i spent thousands going to see him dominate in person. I hope he gets well soon so Rangers fans can get to see something special.

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    • vtadave

      2 years ago

      Thousands?

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      • sfes

        2 years ago

        Yeah you know, dollars?

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        • sfes

          2 years ago

          I know it’s hard to believe that people actually go to games instead of being fair weather fans on trade rumors websites. Season plans for families purchased by actual fans cost actual money. Something I’m sure you don’t have yet since you’re probably not even a legal adult yet.

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        • Phanatic77

          2 years ago

          @WiffleBall I’m no Mets fan but you sound like a real winner mocking baseball fans for spending money on their team on a baseball site. Did someone hurt your little feelings this morning?

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        • websoulsurfer

          2 years ago

          It costs money to see major league baseball, unlike wiffleball. Doesn’t matter what team. It will cost you thousands to actually attend games.

          If you aren’t a fan of the game, go back to your wiffleball game in the backyard.

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  5. User 2079935927

    2 years ago

    Carnac “The Magnificent ”

    Ed McMahon hands Carnac a envelope
    Carnac-Holds the envelope to his head and say’s the following “Lit up like a joint in a Cheech and Chong Movie.

    Carnac Opens the envelope and pulls out a card that reads the following Question “How will Scherzer fair in tomorrow’s ALCS game?

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  6. In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

    2 years ago

    In spring training, you usually add 15 pitches per start. That woul put him at 83. Why is 70 the baseline here? Would it be different if Texas weren’t up 2-0?

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    • JimP 2

      2 years ago

      Because this will be his first start.

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    • Hemlock

      2 years ago

      > In spring training, you usually add

      Spring Training ramp up may not be equal to “teres major strain” recovery ramp up.

      70 is his limit right now before he feels pain or discomfort.

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    • Chris from NJ

      2 years ago

      Hate to say I told you so with Max. Like I’ve been saying it’s that slider. Not enough fastball to live and die with the slider. He looked really bad.

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  7. Jmel

    2 years ago

    So the rangers are a few wins away from going to the world series and Degrom is home , shouldn’t he be with his team?

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    • JimP 2

      2 years ago

      I’ve seen him in the dugout with the team.

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    • Go Go Power Rangers

      2 years ago

      He’s been with the rangers all postseason and I’ve seen him with them during the regular season as well.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        He’s the best compensated spectator in the sport. I can’t believe they couldn’t find a more affordable (or better looking) cheerleader.

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