The Mets want to add multiple starting pitchers this winter, president of baseball operations David Stearns tells Tim Healey of Newsday. However, that may not involve pursuing the top guys available. “You always love to bring in top-flight talent and top-flight pitching,” Stearns said. “Do I think we need one? No. You can compile pitching staffs in a variety of different ways. Certainly any time you have horses at the front of the rotation, it makes everything else a little bit easier. But it’s not impossible to do it without that.”
The fact that the club is looking to make a number of additions is fairly sensible. Last year, they traded away their co-aces Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander at the deadline. At the end of the season, Carlos Carrasco became a free agent and David Peterson underwent hip surgery that will keep him out of action until the middle of next year.
That leaves the rotation with Kodai Senga and José Quintana in two spots, with Tylor Megill, Joey Lucchesi and José Butto options for the back end. Megill had a 4.70 earned run average in 2023 but with subpar strikeout and walk rates of 18.5% and 10.2%, respectively. Lucchesi had a strong 2.89 ERA in his nine starts but with just a 16.4% strikeout rate, likely helped by a strand rate of 80.1%. Butto has just 46 innings of major league work and he just posted a 5.93 ERA at Triple-A in 2023.
Given the state of things, it’s understandable that the club will be looking to bring in multiple arms in order to improve the rotation for 2024. Exactly how aggressive they will be is an open question. The club had the highest payroll in baseball history in 2023 but that didn’t work out and it seems 2024 might be something of a transitional year. It’s tough to know exactly what it looks like for owner Steve Cohen to take a step back from record-setting spending, as that could still lead to the club forking out plenty of money. Agent Scott Boras was asked about this and phrased it thusly: “When you have the bigger jet, and you say you’re going slower, you’re still going faster,” Boras said, per Will Sammon of The Athletic.
That perhaps suggests the club is still indicating a certain level of aggression in its conversations with player agents, but the comments from Stearns also imply they might be happy to spread money around to various mid-level guys as opposed to targeting aces. At the top of the free agent market, pitchers like Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Blake Snell, Aaron Nola and Jordan Montgomery are likely to land nine-figure deals. There should also be sizeable eight-figure deals available to pitchers like Sonny Gray, Eduardo Rodriguez and Shota Imanaga. Then there will be guys like Luis Severino, Frankie Montas and Hyun Jin Ryu that should be attainable on low-cost bounceback deals. Time will tell how the Mets plan to assess these options but making a long-term investment would make sense even if they are pumping the brakes a bit. Quintana has just one year left on his deal and most of the club’s top prospects are position players, meaning there’s even more rotation uncertainty in the long term.
Stearns was also asked about first baseman Pete Alonso, per Sammon, and reiterated his previous position that he doesn’t expect a preseason trade. “I think I do not anticipate him getting traded,” Stearns said. “I don’t draw lines in the sand. And I’m never gonna say never. But I absolutely think it’s fair that I don’t anticipate him being traded.” Alonso is going into his final arbitration season before reaching free agency, so the club will have to pick a lane at some point. But with a good deal of uncertainty about the 2024 club, it seems they are leaning towards holding. If the club has another poor season in 2024, they could always pivot to a deadline deal.
Another option would be to pursue an extension. It doesn’t sound like anything is imminent there but it also doesn’t seem like the lines of communication are dead. “When it comes to the Polar Bear, we’re not in contract hibernation,” Boras said. He added that he follows the instructions given to him by his clients and Alonso has told him to listen to whatever the Mets have to say.
Sammon also rounds up a few other bits of Mets’ news from a busy week in the baseball world, including the fact that pitching coach Jeremy Hefner is going to stay on as pitching coach. With the club adding a new manager in Carlos Mendoza, it wasn’t known if he would then bring in someone from the outside for that job but Hefner will apparently stick around. Meanwhile, the club won’t hire a general manager this winter. Billy Eppler was going to be in that role before stepping aside amid an investigation into the club’s misuse of the injured list. Front offices are generally composed of dozens of decision makers, from assistant GMs to vice-presidents and so on, meaning the lack of someone with that specific GM title won’t mean much with Stearns the primary decision maker.
Turning back to the roster, neither outfielder Starling Marte nor infielder/outfielder Jeff McNeil are expected to require offseason surgery. Marte had groin surgery last offseason and never seemed to be fully healthy in 2023, finishing the year on the injured list due to ongoing issues with his groin. McNeil, meanwhile, was diagnosed with a partially torn UCL in his left elbow. He throws with his right arm anyway but it appears both he and Marte are making good progress and can perhaps return without going under the knife this winter. As for designated hitter Daniel Vogelbach, the club is still undecided on whether or not they will tender him a contract for 2024. The non-tender deadline is November 17, giving them just over a week to pick a path with him. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projected Vogelbach for a salary of $2.6MM.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
6 man rotation: Senga, Yamamoto (25 to 30 mil), Bauer (10 mil), Giolito (15 mil), Quintana, David Peterson
(Per year)
Easily makes them a contender and only a 55 mil increase in payroll, would still be around 60 mil less than what their starting payroll was last year
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yamamoto will get ten years 250 million.
Bauer is not going to a blue state. No way. He admitted getting his jollies punching women, even unconscious women. He was nasty to young ladies on twitter. None of his teammates came to his defense. Only the misogynists want Bauer back in baseball, a family game. He certainly deserved to have the most recent charges dropped, but he has an extensive track record of being a team distraction and bad for business.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
@MannyBeingMVP 25 mil per year is possible at 10 years 250 mil, which is what I said. Steve Cohen wanted Bauer 3 years ago, I dont see why he wouldn’t try to go after him again even with the negotiations falling lazt minute. Plenty of Yankees like Chapman, German, or even Familia and Jose Reyes (Mets) have been forgiven by the fanbase. As long as you perform no one cares
Roll
Cohen is against anything DV and if i remember said that almost off the rip. The 3 years ago was before all the courts and allegations. He already fired his gm of what 2 months being the GM for pictures .. fired Callaway for aggressively pursuing women … so hiring Bauer is probably a hard no for him.
robert-5
Yamamoto is about to be an extremely wealthy young man…
Cg141
I mean what Bauer is accused of is slightly different. If true he is a serial rapist and abuser. But the most well known accusation is questionable so who knows.
Blue Baron
@Roll: Anything DV? What’s that in English?
Roll
@BlueBaron
here is all the definitions and groupings of DV mlb cba from prior year .. enjoy the read
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Blue Baron
I just wanted to know what the abbreviation means. Got it, thanks.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Baron
I read it as against anything domestic violence
Reyordonézfanclub
@manny….”Only the misogynists want Bauer back in baseball, a family game”
Curious as to how many misogynists have you spoken to about this???
“a family game”….just how naive are you??? It’s a multi billion $$$ business that is paid for unwittingly by “families”
Cg141
It isn’t worth the press headache for the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, Padres, Red Sox, cubs, even the Astros. He would need tovgo to a real small market.
robw5555
As if he wont get national press going to a small market. What is a real small market. Why do they want his troubles for some one yr deal? Why?
J0hnnyRing04013
I guess you showed him.
JoeBrady
He admitted getting his jollies punching women
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Her idea. He was an idiot for going along, but still her idea.
TheMan 3
So you’re saying that Bauer lacks self control, because if a woman wants smacked, he could have refused
Tigers3232
@The Man, he was in no way excusing Bauer. He simply stated it was her idea which it was. The original comment was posted as though it was some fetish of Bauer’s. It was her idea and him as a man should have known better. As a pro athlete, he was an absolute fool.
Cg141
He has two other accusations on top of the one that got him suspended. If he comes back it’ll probably have to be a small market to go less noticed.
robw5555
People have to be insane to believ anything he says. He has multiple claims.
JoeBrady
He could’ve said no.
She could’ve said no.
But I guess the real question is, if both of them wanted to say yes, do they need your approval?
JoeBrady
People have to be insane to believ anything he says.
===============
Not for nothing, but he absolutely destroyed her case. He released tapes where she basically admits that this entire thing was a setup.
If you still believe her, nothing personal, but you’re completely whacked out.
Mrivers
IS an absolute fool unless he’s changed.
Just some wacky, unprofessional stuff from him over the years.
For 2 elite seasons way back, too risky.
philliesfan215
Where is your proof Mookie Betts is a misogynistic dude? He wants Bauer back.
HalosHeavenJJ
And that’s just what we know about. Teams do private investigations into these guys and know a ton more.
For example we only knew about one incident with Roberto Osuna but nobody would touch him after Houston did. We all know other teams looked into him, probably our favorite.
pirateking24
Didn’t Mookie Betts have positive view of Bauer?
robw5555
He said he was good in the clubhouse. He didnt claim anything about off field antics. Needless to say Mookie will be getting a few less CHristmas cards and dinner party invites now.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
All the stuff you mention happens in New York. Way to bring politics into it, especially things that are solely opinionated and not made to be true.
You make it sound like all that happens in red states (but not blue). That’s faulty logic.
robw5555
Blue state? LOL. Most teams dont want him or the baggage he brings. Not only that but he is not going to take small money either. Mookie Betts said a week ago he liked Bauer and knew nothing of off field issues. He has multiple claims against him, not one.
sergefunction
Wins > Sins
The Saber-toothed Superfife
He won’t.
OroscosMissingGlove
Come on man. Bauer. Do you know what kind of shitstorm that would bring here? There are other options.
pirateking24
He would be perfect for the Pirates. Low cost high upside.
robw5555
He wants to be the guy in charge. The man demands attention.
Huck 3
@LFGMets – Can’t see Bauer in NY, or any large market either. He needs to go small and stay low for at least a year if he wants to go higher profile some other time. Some larger market team might step up and surprise me (and many of us), but I doubt that.
But definitely yes on Yamamoto, and alright on Giolito for a #4, #5 SP. But still need someone else, plus a bunch of decent RP’s.
drasco036
Buying a rotation did so well for them last season
Reyordonézfanclub
@drasco
What is your solution? Just keep throwing ineffective minor Leaguers out there?????
getrealgone2
As a Braves fan I say yes.
Citizen1
Throw stroman in too
Huck 3
Right … just like relying on RP’s with options worked so well, and relying on AAA/AAAA SP’s did also. And between Quintana, Scherzer, and Verlander, they lost over a full season of starts.
But now there’s a new boss in town, and we’ll have to wait and see if the results are any better. But no matter what, doing nothing will fail.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
@drascoo36 the reason it didn’t work out for them last year is because they brought on the wrong guys. They picked up Senga, Verlander, Quintana, and opted into Carrasco’s option. I personally didn’t want Verlander, Quintana, or Carrasco (especially Carrasco). I was right about Senga, Verlander was good but I said he was not worth the money because he was 40 and was an injury risk so I was right about him, Carrasco I knew would be bad so I was right about him, Quintana I thought was going to be bad to mediocre (4.50 era and up) to which I was wrong about that but he still missed half the season so ill say half right on that. As for the guys I actually wanted, Eovaldi (right), trade for Shane Bieber (knew it wasn’t going to happen), and resign Chris Bassit (right) who I knew was going to be extremely reliable like he usually is. Was also open to them resigning Taijuan Walker who did decent this year but I thought he got overpaid when he signed. If the Mets signed/traded for who I wanted, we would have secured a playoff spot no problem
drasco036
It didn’t work for the Mets because they were arrogant and lazy.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Quintana was outstanding
Mrivers
Paying a lot for old pitchers is Eppler-stupid.
Yamamoto is 25.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Why is Bauer even relevant? Why are so many people obsessed with Bauer? He literally had one good season and it was the shortest one ever.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
@Cora the Explora Bauer is a Cy Young calibur pitcher that could be had at a bargain (10 mil) compared to what guys like Degrom and Scherzer are getting (40 mil). Thats why teams and people like me are interested in him. Hes had 2 really good cy young seasons and 3 ok seasons. He also pitched well in his couple starts with the Dodgers (Pre-sticky stuff ban). I’d take a chance on him because I think hes a cost effective move that brings this team to the next level
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Look again. One good season. The year he won Cy Young he pitched 70 innings. The asterisk year. I wouldn’t call that Cy Young under real terms. Maybe at 10 million its okay but I wouldn’t get your expectations up and there’s so much non-baseball drama and baggage he brings to your team. Don’t think you want that risk.
rct
@Cora: I’m no fan of Bauer, but you’re selling his on-the-field accomplishments a bit short. He was an average pitcher from 2014-17 and again in 2019. However in 2018 (175 innings of 196 ERA+, league-leading 2.44 FIP), 2020 (shortened like you mention, but his results were off the charts), and 2021 (17 starts, 107 innings of 163 ERA+ prior to the suspension), he was Cy-worthy.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
His FIP was over 4.00 every year you mention bes 2018 and the shortened 2020 season. That’s slightly above average, not anywhere near Cy Young caliber. The only year he had a decent FIP was in 2020, which was a small sample size. I’m not selling him short at all, FIP is a far better indicator and his is at least 3.87 and over 4.00 the last few years he pitched.
After what happened the past two years, you think the Mets need another headcase?
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
He had a good FIP in 2018 too but that’s two seasons and overall his FIP is 3.87 with the last two being 4.00 or over
I don’t call that Cy Young.
JackStrawb
In fact, at his peak, Bauer was as good as peak deGrom.
Study the numbers, people. The numbers.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Terrible comparison. Bauer had maybe two good seasons, DeGrom had several. Try again.
robw5555
If you think Bauer would take 10mm for NY nope. Wrong guy.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
@robw5555 10 million is better than nothing. He didnt even get offered a minor league deal last year
Keithyim
Wonder why he didn’t get offered a minor league deal last year (in the middle of a sexual assault investigation).
User 2079935927
Dream on buddy.
LordD99
Everybody is looking for pitching.
n2thecards
I know, right?!
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
5 of them?
6 would just be silly…
Four4fore
2.0?
mlbnyyfan
Why add pitching now if Mets are more concerned with 2026 not 2024
Sunday Lasagna
You seriously believe the song and dance bs they fed Scherzer to get him to accept the trade?
There is no crying in baseball, but there is definitely lying. They told Scherzer what they had to.
Scherzer knows it too. He went public with those conversations to get them on record.
Then, what a coincidence that right after Stearns was hired and the rhetoric started to change an anonymous tipster told MLB that the Mets were not properly using the injured list.
Someday we will find out Max was the tipster. Maybe since he got a ring in Texas he will get over being took.
Hurricane Sandy
Oh, poor Scherzer… had to pick up his $43 million option to facilitate a trade to a contender who wound up winning the World series. Cry me a river for that poor man.
User 3044878754
Shane Bieber and Alberto Rivas rumored to the Mets Pete Alonso
86mets
Takeaway as a Mets fan: bargain basement shopping for pitching. A lot of Mets fans are going to get a shock when they don’t pursue Yamamoto, Snell, Nola, or Gray. Expect bounce back deals for guys like Giolito, Lynn, Severino and others. I still think Stearns is going to shed more payroll and don’t buy his statements about Alonso. I think he’s as good as gone. It’s looking more and more like Scherzer was right in what he said after his trade. Stearns is coming in to rebuild, not go big or go home as some delusional fans are hoping.
KennyF’nPowers
Mets fan too. You still think the Wilpons own us. Cohen is worth $20 B and has proven he’s going to spend. Also our top SP prospects (Tidwell, Scott, Vasil, Stuart, etc) project no better than a #3 SP. 25 year old Ace SP with no QO attached like Yama rarely coming along. Mets will outbid everyone for him. They will also get a second tier SP like an E Rod. We have some good about ready hitting prospects (Jett, Acuna, Gilbert, etc.) so I could see us laying off hitters this year and maybe next year. Need to sign two SP’s in a loaded SP class.
yanks1990
I like how you guys are always like “Mets will outbid everyone for him”.. Yet the Mets have lost out on several players to other teams in free agency.
Ma4170
Tidwell has higher upside than a 3, but agree, none of their other sp prospects project highly at all. Maybe serviceable back end guys.
I definitely think theyll be all in on yanamoto too
JackStrawb
@86mets It would be odd for the Mets to go to the bargain bin for pitching when they’re just going to have to do it all over again in 2025, 2026, 2027….
They’re stuck, in short, given that serious starting pitching is absent from their farm system—and what they do have including their most recent draft class looks a lot like other teams whose pitching was five years away..
The best they can hope to do is make well-judged, expensive deals for actually good starting pitching, but I’d agree they may not. Cohen is erratic and may well have instructed Stearns to keep it cheap in 2024 after he burned himself in 2023 playing GM with a stump like Eppler to guide him.
Tigers3232
How did he burn himself? The deals last yr will be nearly all done after next season and he retained farm system. They signed higher AAV older arms to short term deals that aligned with Cahna, Escobar, and Marte deals expiring.
They took a shot at contending immediately without trading any pieces of their future. Ultimately they added pieces for the future and just had to eat some $ in the short term. That $ relative to Cohen’s net worth is nothing though.
Rational_Mets_Fan
Could not agree more. Forget his Net Worth, he brings in $1B-2B a year in earnings! They basically bought prospects they could not get in a single draft with all the pool limitations. The farm was barren after the prior GM sold the farm for the Wilpon’s last attempt at relevance. Would’ve been entirely different had Diaz been closing games with Robertson and Ottavino pitching the 7th & 8th giving Buck the ability to mix and match in the 6th because the old arms couldn’t make it that long. So they pivoted. I do understand why players don’t want to come to NY aside from media, pressure & Big City some guys don’t like. Between the city and state tax you could get the same after tax salary earning almost 10-15% less a year. I doubt they’ll go crazy but would expect one big name and a lot of depth like they’ve been doing the past couple years allowing the farm to continue to deepen. Last point, DeGrom was never viewed as anything more than a #3 starter so take those prospect rankings with a grain of salt.
Rational_Mets_Fan
I’ll add, I get why the pitching underperformed but the offensive production was lacking outside of Nimmo, Alonso and Lindor (who got hot after their season was over). I anticipate a return to mean with McNeil and Marte who were both amazing in 2022, add Alvarez and at least one or two of Vientos, Mauricio or Baty being league average and they should produce runs. Defense is questionable among two of them.
Susannah
Maybe, the Mets can trade for Verlander and Scherzer. 🙂
Seriously, everyone wants “controllable” pitchers. Like usual, average pitchers will get overpaid.
robw5555
Scherzer is a World Series champ. He thanks Cohen for the ring.
acoss13
You can say what you want about Scott Boras, but the man sure knows how to use colorful language when he’s asked about any topic. The dude is definitely a salesman.
As for the Mets on pitching, having Senga already on their roster might give them a slight edge to sign Yamamoto, and he’s 25 so he’s going to be productive for a long time.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Sounds like exactly what the Mets did last offseason. I wonder what aging starting pitchers they overpay this time?
drasco036
I’ve seen rumors they are going to offer Clemens and Ryan 50 million each to come out of retirement for a season.
Hurricane Sandy
Ryan going out with his original team! What a concept! Make it happen Steve! Couldn’t be any worse than bad Max!
Hemlock
Dallas Keuchel
Jaime Moyer
Bartolo Colon
Rich Hill
getrealgone2
The Old Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
Pads Fans
Are there any 38-40 year old starters on the market?
A_Cespedes_For_The_Rest_Of_Us
To be fair, the Mets signed JV senga and Quintana… Senga was amazing … JV really wasn’t the problem, and Quintana was largely fine once he came back from the rib fracture which was a bit of a freak thing… 2 of those 3 are the only 2 sp on their team right now
The problems w the Mets were far larger than the sp they brought in… And like, if you don’t have major league ready sp prospects and 2 starters then yes… You are going to HAVE to sign multiple starters lol
Baseball dude
Mariners have some starters and could use Alonzo !!
Hemlock
Kirby & Gilbert for Alonzo
Should get it done. No problem there.
Win/Win
EnglishM
Two top of the rotation starters with years of control for a rental? Even a straight swap for Miller or Woo (just one) would be an overpay.
A_Cespedes_For_The_Rest_Of_Us
Idk why people still think the Mets are trading Alonso…Stearns is super cagey and the clearest thing he’s said since being signed was “we expect Pete to be the 1st baseman” … On 2 separate occasions
If they are going to trade him it would likely be at the deadline after they are out of it, unless someone calls w a stupid deal
bobbers_mcgee
Ooh. Mets just signed Edgardo Alfonzo
n2thecards
At this point, we should just have a list of teams not looking to improve their rotation. If I just count the articles here, I believe there are no less than 10 teams.
James Midway
Truth
Simm
That’s why there are so many free agent pitchers. Teams have locked up hitter long term. Outside of maybe the jays and so far the O’s. The better position players have signed long term deals.
Pitching is so risky they usually get 5 years as a long term deal. Will be interesting if there is a run on pitching that increase the years someone is willing to give on them.
David In MKE
What would you give up for Corbin Burnes if you knew he would sign an extension?
HalosHeavenJJ
This is actually a fascinating idea. The Brewers would save his 2024 salary and maybe pick up a warm body.
Would Burnes forgo free agency? How much would you want to pay to extend a guy coming off a major shoulder injury?
Cheeseman Forever
Woodruff had the injury, not Burnes.
James Midway
Sherzer and Verlander available?
Cincyfan85
30 teams looking to add at least 2 starting pitchers… lol this isn’t adding up.
KennyF’nPowers
Yeah the Mets don’t have the money to outbid the 29 other teams for top starters. LMFAO! Cohen is worth $20 billion and has proven he’s going to spend. There aren’t as many good FA SP’s next year so why wait a year. We will sign Yama and a second tier guy like E Rod. We have no top line SP prospects. Blade Tidwell is 2 years away and projects as a #3 SP.
kodiak920
Stevie Cohen’s beautiful money.
angt222
I’d sure hope so!
God's Other Son
I want to see them make 2 big splashes this offseason, tho I’m not holding my breath.
Sign Ohtani.. and sign Yamamoto.
Grab 2 or 3 more mid rotation type pitchers.. and trade at least one of the young guys for someone more established.. Third base is a huge hole unless Baty proves the scouts right.. Another outfielder sould be nice.. but the biggest hole is the hardest one to fill.. they need a bullpen. Relief pitchers can be unpredictable from year to year.. one great year, then they fall on their face.. Then maybe bounce back// you never know with 90% of relievers
JackStrawb
3B doesn’t have to be a hole at all, given Mauricio has the athleticism and arm to thrive there. McNeil needs to be at 2B, where his bat even at its worst, plays. Using a competent, somewhat above average defensive 2Bman at the one position in the diamond is the easiest to fill and the easiest to defend (ie LF), would be a very Mets thing to do, but they shouldn’t do it.
They have their 3Bman of the future in RM, but of course they haven’t actually seriously tried him there yet. So typical.
God's Other Son
Mauricio hasn’t proven he can stick in the bigs yet.
Just like Baty and Vientos. Far as I’m concerned the 3 of them are trade bait
rct
I think they will aggressively pursue Yamamoto, but I highly doubt they sign Ohtani.
God's Other Son
Like I said I’m not holding my breath for anything.
It’s baseball… literally ANYTHING can happen!
User 2079935927
You know Ohtani’s not pitching until 25,right?
God's Other Son
Do I care?
Even if he never pitches again I want his bat in the lineup at DH
Pads Fans
It MAY not involve pursuing the top FA available. But it might.
It might also include TRADING for some top pitchers.
The Mets payroll was $307 million in 2023. They could spend another $50 million this offseason and not get back there.
In nurse follars
Zach plesac will probably get five years and 100 million in this market.
JackStrawb
That Hefner’s sticking around for 2024 is hardly good news. He was unable to teach a single one of the Mets in-season acquisitions nor any of their offseason bullpen pickups other than the three most expensive acquisitions to reach targets as modest as league average outings of 15-20 pitches, 3x a week. That’s a horrific failure.
As for Stearns, he’s failing basic public relations. There are sports executives who tell fans as much as they can without giving anything away, and sports executives who do the opposite. Stearns is in the latter camp, treating the job as if he’s discussing nuclear secrets. It’s a great way to needlessly aggravate and irritate a fan base who’d like to have even just a few basic ideas of whether the Mets are planning to punt 2024, or seriously contend.
And, yes, you can do that without driving up the prices you eventually pay.
As for the ‘news’ that the Mets are planning to add multiple starting pitchers, who didn’t believe that was sure to be the case? Did anyone really think they were going into 2024 with a rotation after Senga and Quintana of something like Severino, Megill, and Lucchesi? The current team projects by any standard, to win around 68-70 games. They won 75 in 2023 and for the 2024 season won’t have the partial contributions of Verlander, Scherzer, Robertson, Ottavino, Pham, and Canha. 68-70 wins is consistent with losing those wins, and with any projection system that’s shown itself to be accurate.
Are the Mets really going to saddle themselves with a bunch of cheap, one-year deals on pitching? If so, why? They have no pitching in the farm that’s other than at best back of the rotation fodder. They’re going to need pitching they can only get through free agency, and since the nucleus of a respectable contender is already present, why not add the 18 wins they’ll need through free agency, with three starters good enough, with Senga, to carry the load for the next 3-5 years? Every halfway serious fan knows Yamamoto at age 25 in 2024 is by far the best Mets pickup for the rotation for both 2024 and way beyond, so the real question is, after him, who? Montgomery’s a solid addition for the #3 slot, and they shouldn’t skimp on a #5 starter given that in the #6 hole and after there’s very little there. Perhaps 20 starts with an average ERA+ of 90. 95 if they’re lucky from Megill et al; and the bullpen is going to be thin at best short of throwing $35m in AAV at two top setup men plus four halfway decent relievers. .
Short of Cohen approving a payroll over $380 million for 2024, this team isn’t likely to go anywhere. Thing is, he may as well get started now. If he doesn’t the Mets are going to continue to have problems with a dearth of starting pitching coming up through the farm for at least 5 years, and with good starting pitching and a healthy Diaz even an 85 win Mets team sneaking in through the back door that’s the last wildcard slot, has a shot at the Series.
raisinsss
I have them in on Montgomery and Imanaga, with some budget ST invites.
Though as Boras alluded to, being “less competitive” in free agency compared to 2023 doesn’t really mean anything. Yamamoto wouldn’t surprise me. Cohen and his billions are really not bound by regular baseball norms and expectations.
In fact, Ohtani is the only pick up that would.
And yeah. I think it’s fairly common knowledge that the Mets current 2.5 starters are not sufficient to be competitive.
JackStrawb
@rainsss Given how well Senga performed in his first season and how well Quintana came back Montgomery and Imanago may well be just what they need, short of Yamamoto and the likes of Snell. Where I differ is in thinking that, if they’re going to go that route, they should definitely do more for the last spot in the rotation than settle for the budget ST invitees you mention—if they do that they’re likely to give roughly 1/3 of their starts to whomever of that group survives, Megill, Lucchesi, and Butto. Why not aim for solidity throughout the five-man rotation rather than trust to luck?
Given the softness of their depth, staying away from it as much as possible is a great way to pick up wins compared to the alternative.
Anthony maresca
People are putting Yamamoto on a pedestal as if he guaranteed to be successful in the ML!! Not so fast as these Japanese pitchers pitch once a week on 6 full days rest plus use a smaller baseball to get ultimate grip. I would never give an unknown pitcher 9 yrs let alone $30 million per and lets not forget due to larger ball and shorter recovery period between starts this has Ohtani -2 TJS written all over it and potentially 2 1/2 lost seasons. Hard pass!
This one belongs to the Reds
Yes, Yamamoto may be 25 but unproven in MLB. It takes a different skill set to succeed in Japan as here, plus the oitchers are pitched harder there.
Anyone giving a pitcher 9 years or more than 3 even at those kind of prices and that lack of major league experience is asking for trouble.
10centBeerNight
There will be lots of competition for the difference making arms. Money does talk tho. Something NYM have in their favor. Some of the FAs might not be sold on their contender status with 2 consistent winners above them in same division
JackStrawb
@10centBeerNight Agreed. The Mets are back to Square One (at best) in persuading good free agents that they’re no long the perennial eff ups they were through nearly all of this century including 2021 and 2023, or that they’re serious about aiming for the 5th or 6th wildcard in 2024..
foppert1
I’m sure I heard Cohen state in his mid season presser that they were losing significant amounts of money and that expecting him to maintain that situation is unrealistic. Words to that effect anyway. Like most of them, I’m not sure his personal fortune is all that relevant to what they do. It’s treated as a stand alone entity.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Cohen is still vying for a NYC casino. What better way to earn political brownie points from decision-makers than to bring the Mets to relevancy again. Losing some money now with Mets is part of his lobbying campaign imo.
VonPurpleHayes
This sounds gross, but the Mets should sign Hoskins as their DH option. Hoskins and Alonso would mash. Hoskins also walks a ton. He’s not a great 1B, but he can hold his own if you ever want to rest other guys in the DH spot.
YankeesBleacherCreature
They’ll finally get their own version of Pat Burrell.
Seaver rules
The Mets will resign Alonso. He wants to be a Met. I see them signing Yamamoto and trading for Cease (for Mauricio, Jeremiah Jackson, Dominic Hamel). Rotation of Yamamoto, Senga, Cease, Quintana and Lucchesi looks good to me with McGill, Butto and Peterson (back in June) as depth.
Seaver rules
If Soto does become a FA after this season, the Mets will be aggressive. I don’t se Ohtani coming to NY unless it’s for the history/allure of the Yankees and that’s doubtful.
longines64
Think anyone who pays 9 figures out for Nola is going to be chagrined.
Wheeler Dealer
Please bring Marcus Stroman back says every 69 Cub fan ️
Attystephenadams
Yamamoto
Senga
Montgomery
Quintana
Giolito
Maeda
They’re going to need a 6 man rotation with the Japanese pitchers.
VonPurpleHayes
I thought they needed one last year with 2 old men and Senga.
THEY LIVE!!!
Bartolo Colon to the Mutz
frankt
Mets need to find a way to sign for Yamamoto and trade for either Burnes or Peralta. From reports the Brewers are open for business. Burnes or Peralta would be quality pick ups. Either pitcher is going to cost enough but good starting pitching is what wins.
Farian
“Meanwhile” has to start a sentence— it can’t come in the middle. How do you mess this up after getting it right earlier in the article?