The Angels have lost Shohei Ohtani to the Dodgers and never appeared to be a finalist for NPB star Yoshinobu Yamamoto, but they’re pursuing the biggest fish remaining on the free agent market, per Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle, who reports that the Halos have made reigning NL Cy Young winner Blake Snell “their priority” now that Ohtani has officially departed. The Giants, too, are interested in Snell, per Slusser.
Signing Snell would be a departure from the norm for either club. The Angels’ three-year commitment to Tyler Anderson last offseason was the organization’s first multi-year deal for a free agent starting pitcher since signing Joe Blanton to a two-year contract a decade prior. Owner Arte Moreno has been comfortable with long-term deals for position players — oftentimes mega-deals that haven’t worked out favorably (Albert Pujols, Anthony Rendon, Josh Hamilton) — but has generally been wary of similar commitments to pitchers. The Angels did pursue Gerrit Cole when he was a free agent, but they of course lost out to the Yankees’ then-record bid of $324MM. (Yamamoto topped that mark by $1MM when he agreed to terms with the Dodgers.)
Similarly, the Giants have eschewed long-term deals for starting pitchers in five years under president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi. San Francisco hasn’t gone beyond three years on any starting pitcher under the current regime — arguably a shrewd philosophy but also the reason that Kevin Gausman is starring for the Blue Jays on what now looks to be a wildly affordable five-year, $110MM contract. Zaidi’s club has gone to three years to sign Anthony DeSclafani and issued two-year deals for veterans Alex Wood, Alex Cobb, Sean Manaea and Ross Stripling, but longer-term pacts haven’t been in this front office group’s playbook.
Then again, the Giants also haven’t been consistently successful under this front office regime. Their 107-win season in 2021 stands as a clear highlight, but the Giants have fallen well shy of the lofty expectations set by that outlier season. Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic suggested earlier this week in his latest Giants mailbag that ownership could be providing “a little more direction from above” than in prior offseasons — particularly when it comes to this sort of long-term pursuit (one that, as Baggarly rightly notes, is largely possible by virtue of the front office’s prior aversion to taking on this sort of long-term risk). To be clear, Baggarly wasn’t addressing Snell in particular but rather the general philosophical shift associated with pursuing larger-scale additions from the free-agent market.
From a payroll vantage point, both the Halos and Giants can handle a weighty commitment to Snell, who’s reportedly been seeking a commitment of $200MM or more. San Francisco currently projects for a $158MM payroll, per Roster Resource, to say nothing of the fact that the Giants are about $45MM shy of the $237MM luxury-tax threshold. (Luxury tax is calculated by the sum of the average annual value on the payroll and can thus differ from the bottom-line dollars paid out in a given year; contracts are often backloaded or frontloaded for varying purposes.) The only two players signed beyond the 2025 season are ace Logan Webb (five years, $90MM from 2024-28) and newly signed center fielder Jung Hoo Lee, who inked a six-year, $113MM pact.
As for the Angels, they’re stuck paying the aforementioned Rendon $38MM for each of the next three seasons on his backloaded deal. There’s little no hope of trading that cumbersome contract away, so the team can only hope for a return to his Nationals form — unlikely as it may be as he enters his age-34 season. Anderson is signed through 2025 at $13MM per season, and the Angels still owe former MVP Mike Trout $34.45MM annually through the 2030 season.
Even with the huge commitments to Trout and Rendon, the Angels project for a $152MM payroll in 2024 and sit at just $167MM in terms of luxury-tax obligations. That leaves ample room to sign Snell, even if doing so would require shattering the franchise-record for a starting pitcher contract (Jered Weaver’s five-year, $85MM deal).
It stands to reason that with both Ohtani and Yamamoto now off the board, the market for Snell will continue to crystalize in the coming weeks. Several runners-up for Yamamoto, in particular, could pivot to consider Snell — although various reports out of New York have indicated that the Mets aren’t expected to be among them. Will Sammon of The Athletic wrote last weekend that the Mets weren’t planning to pursue other top-tier free agents if they fell short in their bid for Yamamoto, whom they considered to be uniquely aligned with their long-term plan given his youth. MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo echoed that sentiment today, reporting that the Mets shouldn’t be expected to pursue Snell or fellow free agent Jordan Montgomery.
DroppedThirdStrike
Two very unexciting clubs. These are dark days for their fans
iml12
Blake Snell would be a great fit for either one of those teams.
Americanentropy
Depends how much he values $$ vs. winning.
Balk
So where should he sign? From what we’ve been seeing, all it takes is to get into the playoffs. Braves and Dodgers got smoked last year. So why not money and winning?
Johnny Bravo
Who is our daddy?
“D’ oh! The Dodgers
Who is our stepdaddy?
“D’ oh! Arte Moreno
Cucaracha tamales for sale
Johnny Bravo
Please support Arte Moreno’s cause dozen tamales $16.99
Let’s see who else we can get at the 99 Cents store
Murphy NFLD
Yea my thoughts exactly. Id imagine the Giants offer him more money anyway, but he would be smart to look in to teams like the dodgers and philly and see if they would pay 100 over 3 amd then go for a longet term deal after
Murphy NFLD
Looking at his age maybe a 1 or 2 year deal at 35 or 40, or even a 1 year deal with the dodgers or the phillys at 20 or 22 to try to win a championship
Datashark
i highly doubt Dodgers will get anymore large deals this offseason
TrumboRedux
I wouldn’t highly doubt the Dodgers at anything at this juncture.
TrumboRedux
$16.99 for a good dozen Tamales isn’t bad. I’ll take 12.
Pete'sView
Right. Let them buy up MLB in general. They’re all but there already.
soulcrusher
First round exit, Dave Roberts with a crying Jordan face inbound
TrumboRedux
Highly doubtful…
Player to be named in the future 2
You mean LeBron face
TrumboRedux
Which LeBron? Lakers or USC??
TrumboRedux
What will it be to wash down the Khlav Kalash? Mountain Dew, or Crab Juice?
Yankee Clipper
Balk: I don’t recall if you’ve said, but which of the remaining FA pitchers would you prefer for the Giants? I know they probably need two from the other Giants folks that I’ve read on the forums.
Balk
Yankee Clipper…I think they have to keep trying at the top end with Snell and Mont, maybe look to trade. We do have some young arms coming up that look pretty promising, so I would hate to see the Giants get locked in on a bad contract that Snell is going to demand. I could be wrong though
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, Balk, I think that’s the general consensus with Snell. Could be excellent for the rotation, but could be a terrible contract too.
I see Monty and Montas as really nice complementary fits for the Giants with the way they pitch.
For all the (understandable) Yoshi hubbub this year, I think it’s almost better our teams didn’t land him. Next offseason could be really, really good for SPs: Buehler, Roki Sasaki, and Max Fried, among others…..
Merry Christmas, man!
Balk
Montas actually would be a nice fit. I definitely agree with the Yoshi signing, and definitely hope for the Giants sake he’s a bust lol…we have to see him more than you guys! I’m trying to think of a solution for SS for the Giants also. They need some pop in that lineup and wonder who they can pry away to get it.
Yankee Clipper
Balk, SS will not be easy, obviously; but if it’s pop you’re looking for, what about someone like Willy Adames? Granted, he’s more of a TTO guy and isn’t likely to be a leadoff hitter, but he’s certainly got some pop and plays a good SS. It also seems you guys have plenty of trade capital to match up with the Brew Crew.
Balk
Yankee…I’ve heard some discussions about Adames, actually wouldn’t mind it. We do have Lee now as a lead off guy, but I’ve also heard some small discussions about trying to pry Lindor away. Not sure how possible that would be, but I know Luciano maybe not the long term solution for SS with his size and all. That’s if he puts the hitting together.
antibelt
Giants would need to land Snell, Montgomery, and Chapman just to try and keep up. It would also mean Luciano would have to pan out, amd a couple of others developing too.
Pete'sView
Yes, I agree.
Pete'sView
Clipper & Balk — If I can interject. I believe the Brewers are going to make one last run, so they won’t be trading Adames or Burnes (unfortunately). And while Willy has pop his BA is low and so his OBP.
I think Haniger will rebound, maybe Conforto and if the Giants sign Hoskins they’ll have plenty of pop. My solution is to hook up with the Cardinals, snag Tommy Edman (ss) for young arms(not Harrison)—maybe Whisenhut and Winn.
A lineup with Jung Hoo Lee and Edman in the 1-2 spots would be great set up for the bangers and would also tighten the defense. (I know folks will say Luciano at SS, but I don’t think he’s ready. And I think he’ll end up in the OF.)
Yankee Clipper
I’m a huge Edmond fan, so if you could get him away from the Cards that would be a great move, imo.
Pete'sView
antibelt — Snell and Montgomery might be a bit too expensive and with the Young Giant arms, I’m not sure they need both. But Chapman is a definite NO. Big swing and miss, and his offense is not better than JD Davis’ and his glove isn’t worth the expense b/c Davis is fine defensively.
Balk
Pete, damn if we could pry Edman away I’m all for it. I’ve been a big supporter of Hoskins also. We can only hope for a solid season with Conforto and Mitch.
Pete'sView
Balk — Maybe it’s dreaming, but I think if Haniger is healthy he is going to add some real pop to this lineup. Hoskins too. I guess I’m a little unexcited by Conforto. I hope he’ll surprise us.
Ma4170
I think when conforto is healthy he can hit but he never seems fully healthy anymore
Plus that stadium isnt a great fit for him
Halo11Fan
Two years was an unexciting time for the Rangers.
They brought in Simien and Seager and didn’t win 70 games, but it set the tone.
Comment like yours is an example of a complete lack of baseball knowledge. That’s the way baseball works.
DroppedThirdStrike
You guys are right there with the Rangers, no doubt, just a piece or two away. Keep waiting on Rendon…
Americanentropy
No. Halos are a poorly run franchise. It’s history. You brought up the Rangers, I did not. Snell only needs to look at Halos history of wins/loses over say the past 20 years. You may want to invest in some critical thinking skills.
1984wasntamanual
The rangers got a ton of contribution from Non-FA players…I don’t see where that’s going to come from for the Angles.
DroppedThirdStrike
Exactly. Rangers were in a cycle. Angels are in a groove!
J.H.
Right around 20 years ago the Angels won a World Series and started a run of winning 5 division titles in 6 years, so you may want to shorten up that timeline to about 10 years.
Halo11Fan
The point is not all free agents are for a one year run. If you know baseball, you know this.
Halo11Fan
Over the last 20 years?
Six division titles and one year they had the best record in baseball.
Do you follow this game?
Halo11Fan
The Angels lost 7 pretty good starting pitchers in about 18 months.
They haven’t recovered.
Yankee Clipper
Lost a good, young catcher too. I really like that kid – he’s from NY
bkbk
You dummy the angels were the second winningest team last decade. It was post Hamilton that tho by a got sticky.
RyÅnWKrol
You may want to get your information correct if you’re going to talk smack. Over the past 20 years, the Angels have 6 division titles, 5 MVPs, a Cy Young, a Hall of Fame inductee, 2 Rookies of the Year, 17 straight seasons of at least 3 millions fans, and more. Add one more year and you get a Wild Card and a Championship. The playoff appearances are just crammed into a 12 year period instead of being spread out. And even before 2002, they were up and down and went 16 years without a playoff spot. Dodgers had only 4 playoff appearances in 24 years between 1988 and 2012. Just shows how quickly things can change back and forth in baseball. Rangers snagged their guys off the market to lock them up for when they were ready to make a run. Their timeline accelerated. There’s a reason teams add players.
Hexbreaker
Can we stop calling the Angels and Padres the Halos and Friars?
Lame.
Halo11Fan
Halos is a nickname. Revered by many. Often used by Dick Enberg, so no. So no.
socalbball
Hudler’s Son: If he looks at the Angels record over the past 20 years as you suggest he’ll see six playoff teams, including two trips to the AL Championship series.
nukeg
Hudlers Son 20-year reference may be the worst take I’ve ever seen on this site. And that’s saying a lot.
And HS, that’s why Halo fans are so jaded is because the organization WAS so well run before Arte and his band of marketing misfits came in and drove it into the ground.
Eatdust666
Also Jon Gray
Candy Maldonado
The Angels dominated the AL West starting about 20 years ago, and won the most division titles over that next decade in the division. Their putrid run of failure started after that run.
TrumboRedux
I remember the year they had the best record that everyone was peeved at Scioscia getting Manager Of The Year haha. Those were the days..
halored101
1638/1500 through 2004, so better than .500. Not earth shattering but also not terrible. Perhaps instead of hurling unfounded insults you use them critical thinking skills and research.
labial
Back then they were the California Angels, too. This isn’t Angels in the outfield.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@nuke – can’t disagree with that…
With Arte you get three very shiny baubles (Trout, Albert, Ohtani, Rendon) on a moribund dying Christmas tree…
(Hope y’all appreciate the time of year reference, the fact that I mention four baubles, and thus can’t count, and ignored how incredibly loyal the Halo’s fan base is, still 3m or so through the turnstiles after eight or nine pretty poor seasons…)
Halo11Fan
If you have a pen, you can be a great manager, if you don’t, you can’t.
M.C.Homer
Scioscia was the 1st wheel to fall off.
He was the stabilizer
haighwiser
I agree, I think if the Angels could add 3 or 4 really good players they will be able to form a really good club next year. They need to go out and do it though and so far this offseason has been bad losing out on Shoehi and being pretty much stagnant.
Halo11Fan
Who are Adel, Moniak, O’Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel and Ward. Which starters can make the next jump? They have all had good seasons, how many can push forward? How many will continue to drop?
Can Rendon and Trout get back close to what they were?
Many of those question will be answered in the affirmative and negative.
Add Snell. Add Hader. Then the Angels need to figure out those above questions and then they might have a pretty good team in 2025.
Hexbreaker
Yeah, a nickname for a nickname. Dumb.
Steinbrenner2728
“Nickname for a nickname” exists for most sports teams, Hexbreaker. Maybe using a username like “Hexbreaker” is dumber too.
Pete'sView
iml12 — Not sure about that. Snell is great when he’s healthy, but his record of being on the IL can’t be discounted.
Longtimecoming
Uh Pete – your comment in light of what the dodgers just gave Glasnow and his track record just made me laugh.
Take a quick peek at how many mor starts / year or innings Snell has to his credit over Glasnow –
Not to mention 2 CY’s.
Based on Glasnow’s contract for innings pitched / year and also say, Yam’s contract for never pitching 1 inning at mlb level, Snell probably wants 10/350 right about now!
Pete'sView
Longtimecoming — I think that’s high and too long given his injury history and his history of only going 5 or 6 innings. And I’m not saying he isn’t a good pitcher, I just worry about his injury history. That has to be a concern for any team that signs him.
Longtimecoming
Pete
Glasnow 214 ip in last 3 seasons
Snell 436 ip in last 3 seasons
And Snell is the one that your worried about being injury prone?
Pete'sView
Longtimecoming — I never mentioned Glasnow. It must have been someone else’s post that referred to him. I know Glasnow is more fragile.
Longtimecoming
Pete – I used Glasnow to make the point that your point was flawed.
Glasnow IS full of injury history and is getting 25/30/30/30 and another possible 30.
And he doesn’t even have a CY.
A few days ago it was reported Dodgers were considering 250 mil for Yam – and gave him 325.
Using Glasnow and Yam as a guide there is no way Snell doesn’t get maybe a 7/210 deal.
Also factor in some desperation from the teams that missed out on the others.
And really, Snell doesn’t have such an injury history as you think. Look at his page on baseball reference and compare to Glasnow (as I said in first post – in light of what Glasnow just got paid).
Injury concern as a thing is always there on a long term pitcher contract – nothing Snell deserves as special concern for him personally though.
Pete'sView
Longtimecoming — Well, we both know MLB salaries are out of control, so you may be right. I’d rather see a 5-year at something a bit less but Snell is clearly the best pitcher still out there although I’m also a fan of Montgomery (maybe Imanga).
Everything I hear about Snell is that he’s a very intelligent guy, works in the community and is a good clubhouse presence. He’d fit nicely next to Webb and Harrison.
Randy Red Sox
and the Red Sox too but they can’t afford him
bag o ballz
I don’t know about 200mm though, snell is what 34? A 200mm contract sounds like a 10 year contract through his age 44 season and I don’t see that working out in the long run. A 5 year 100mm commitment sounds way more in line with what I would expect for someone like snell
Pete'sView
bag o ballz — Snell is 31.
Ma4170
I dont see snell getting more than 6 years and end up around 170-180M… if he gets 7/200 that team is desperate.
carllafong
He’ s a great fit for anyone, but Jordan Montgomery will be cheaper and he’s also a #1.. Angels need to sign two pitchers. Snell would replace Ohtani, but they need more or they’re right back wherre they were last season.
Big whiffa
Yikes ! You just compared the angels to the giants ?!? That might actually be true now with giants signing that dude to a 130 mil then running out of money on yams. Whatever they offered – he shoulda got that full 130 too. Giants signed the wrong guy
DroppedThirdStrike
Angels way worse off, but both teams are in the same boat. They’ve got no really good trade options to try and get high end prospects and are forced to look at building a team through free agency, which is nearly always a bad idea. They need cheap, controllable talent.
RyÅnWKrol
They have cheap, controllable talent. Lots of it. They called up a lot of promising youth in 2023 and most of them produced right out of the gate. It’s more than the Angels have had in about 15 years. If you’re going to comment about a team’s needs, you might want to pay attention to what that team actually has.
Pete'sView
Giants signed EXACTLY who they should have signed. Now they need to stabilize the rotation with a top arm.
oldgfan
Webb
Snell
Cobb
Harrison
Winn / Beck
Not a bad looking rotation.
Stripling & Desclafani as depth.
Yankee Clipper
Pete: in reference to this continuing conversation regarding SF, I suggested Monty as a possible solution. But, I also forgot about Frankie Montas(?). He seems like he would be a good fit (although another RHP) due to his pitching style – another heavy sinker baller. Plus, he performed admirably in OAK, where he had the bigger field.
Thoughts on Montas to shore up that rotation?
A'sfaninLondonUK
@Yankee Clipper
Was chatting on a different thread about Montas with another NYY fan, who was questioning the Yankees extending him 2/24 or so.
I’d agree with that – if he’s healthy, because he had a nightmare in Gotham. A’s fans saw him as a genuine #2 starter, and I agree – again – if healthy…
However, to be re-united with Bob Melvin in SF makes a whole lot of sense on some kind of pillow contract, especially in (what is still) a pitchers ballpark…
Pete'sView
Clipper — I like Montgomery but I think the Giants need someone more than Montas. Injury issues aside, Montas is not the pitcher Mongomery or Snell is.
I’ve heard the Yankees want Montgomery back but I was under the impression that Montgomery was not happy with he way the Yanks treated him. True?
Snell is probably my first choice for SF, with Montgomery or Imanga second.
Yankee Clipper
Pete, I think that’s accurate. Essentially, when Cashman traded him for Bader, Cashman opined that Monty wasn’t essential to the Yankees in the postseason – that obviously wasn’t true. I also don’t find it coincidental that, like other pitchers (say, Sonny Gray), he was more successful pitching his own way upon leaving the Yankees.
Pete'sView
Clipper — Thanks.
case
They both have weak front offices that are obsessed with signing mediocre, aging pitchers but the Giants still have the rest of the organization that developed tons of talent and won all those WS. Angels are definitely worse off.
bag o ballz
There have been a couple of misses like desclafani who is good but injured and Stripling last year but I wouldn’t call gausman, rodon, or Cobb mediocre aging pitchers and those are the rotation signings that the Giants front office has made that hot the rotation. All of them were cy young candidates along with Webb who is an internal guy.
Candy Maldonado
If the Angels, as they have indicated, are not going for a full tear down, Snell is a very good fit for them. The youth movement, to the degree they have one, is mostly on the position player side with Neto, Schanuel, Moniak, and O’Hoppe. Their rotation has a couple decent arms in Detmers, Sandoval, Canning, and such, but sorely lacks a #1 or 2 guy if they want to compete. Snell is that.
I think they shouldn’t be trying to win right now anymore, but if they don’t see that, this *is* the right move.
i like al conin
Good point. They can try to get close to Ohtani’s loss with Snell and a good DH. Although an upgrade over Moniak also would help.
Candy Maldonado
A guy like Bellinger would fit that idea, giving them both an upgrade over Moniak, and a chance to turn the DH spot into a place for Trout and Rendon to take it easy a couple times a week.
AL B DAMNED
TAKE IT EASY A COUPLE TIMES A WEEK?
HAVEN’T THEY BEEN TAKING IT EASY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS..OR MORE!
Slow day at work
@Candy Maldonado Don’t forget Silseth! He looks like a TOR starter in the making
Zerbs63
Dodgers just signed him
VegasSDfan
Dodgers should offer 5/250. It’s just money, go for it. Lol
unpaidobserver
As bad as the Giants offseason has gone theres still fifty feet of…stuff…until you hit the level of the Angels.
Col_chestbridge
It would be very funny if the Dodgers also signed Snell
Pete'sView
“Funny? Ya mean ha,ha funny like a clown.” — Joe Pesci (Goodfellas)
Brian frigging Downing
Perry ain’t swimming in Snell waters. He’s a dumpster diver. Congrats to the Giants on Snell!!!
Johnny Bravo
Correction
Arte Moreno ain’t swimming in Snell waters. He’s a dumpster diver. Congrats to the Giants on Snell!!
Shadow_Banned
What’s that Snell?
Yankee Clipper
“Ooohhh that Snell…Can’t you Snell that Snell….the Snell that’s around youuuuuu”
Cap & Crunch
RIP Bob Burns, true legend
Mustard Tiger
The Giants will once again be able to tell their fans, “We tried”–after they fail to sign another high profile FA.
cwsOverhaul
Another good pitchers park with SF-stars may be aligned with them having money burning a hole in their pocket. Boras will oblige unless the Yanks or RSox muddy things.
sf fan
First you have to have a competitive team, then free agent pitchers will be interested in signing not only with SF, but with any team. No farm system, no good trades for position players, you’re dead. It will take time.
TheGr8One
Flaherty just got 14 million from the Tigers thereby completely shooting holes in your “competitive team” theory.
People forget athletes are real people and some of them don’t even like their job they are just really good at it. Competitive team means nothing to someone who’s just there to earn. I played HS football with a guy who went on to be a 2nd round pick of the Jets and he hated football he was just good at it. Do you think he cared if he was on a “competitive team”. Not one bit he just wanted to get paid.
good vibes only
Neither your ‘athletes are people that might hate their job’ story nor the ‘competitive team’ theory are mutually exclusive. However it’s an actual fact that top free agents very rarely sign with bad teams. Kris Bryant is really the only obvious one that comes to mind in recent years. I wouldn’t include bottom market guys like Flaherty in that theory but the upper crust of free agents have much larger markets for their services, so why wouldn’t they choose a better team, or a city they prefer, or both, if the money is the same?
Miles-
1 year deals don’t really count with this way of thinking. You’re taking the 1 year deal with the knowledge that you might not be competitive but are almost guaranteed the ball every 5th day. If the team does great, awesome, but you’re more likely trying to maximize another turn through FA market the next year. And what’s more, if the team isn’t good, you’re likely on the move to a team going to the playoffs. Flaherty is going to Detroit for this exact reason.
It’s the long term deals through free agency that are framed more around the competitiveness of the team. Which, as you can see, no FA this year is signing a long term deal to be in Detroit.
And obviously, being drafted somewhere doesn’t count either. You have to prove yourself in the league before you can care where you are or how competitive the team is.
case
In one interview Pujols said he picked LA because (in the rich parts) it’s a nice place to live and had a high end private school system for his kids. Denver is a cool city in a beautiful state and probably had some influence over Bryant’s decision.
Brian frigging Downing
Lol Puljols “picked L.A.” (Orange County) because Arturo Moreno is the only idiot in MLB that would offer him that ludicrous 10 year contract when he had clearly peeked and was showing performance decline and age related injuries. Had nothing to do with the city or state.
case
Not everyone chooses money over family, but yea, some obviously do.
bag o ballz
This is why haniger got signed and jd Davis was targeted in trade as well as others by the Giants for their geographical background. Farhan has mentioned on the sly for a few years now that he knows that many players have a negative impression of the Bay area so he targets players from the area that know better.
SuperSloth
How competitive were the Tigers when they signed Baez?
TheGr8One
How did Haniger work out? We got his best years in SEA
Franklin Nitty
Lol these guys can live anywhere they want in the entire world. They can have 2 houses in any city in America. Money is what determines where they sign, if they tell you anything else they are lying to your naive heart.
Franklin Nitty
Yea and he never took steroids either lol he went to the Angels because they gave him the dumbest contract. Using hindsight we now see thats how the Angels operate, dumb.
Franklin Nitty
They can take their family with them my friend. Its about generational wealth and setting their families up forever. Its a business, and why are you in business? To make the most money you can.
haighwiser
The only case that would hold true is if you had the same offer from two different teams. If you have a losing team offering you $5 million dollars a year more are you really “losing” by taking more money?
agnes gooch
Really original content there Chumpy :/
nando390
Giants need to meet free agents outside of San Francisco. That city is a mess.
Big whiffa
Like in Oakland ?
CarlEverettsPetDinosaur
maybe Richmond? Berkeley? Vallejo?
mlb fan
Not Vallejo my friend. The streets in Vallejo are full of 1 foot wide, 9 inch deep potholes that will damage your car. Vallejo & Richmond are in major need of road repair and I was there just a few weeks ago.
Non Roster Invitee
East Palo Alto?
just_thinkin
It’s really not, you’re just gullible is all
slider32
You might say the Dodgers have killed the other west teams chances at this point. I can’t see anyone beating them.
drdback
But will still choke in the postseason.
DarkSide830
How many years have we heard that one? They still have only half a lineup and probably need another SP.
Oldhalo
They can still lose…. They still have Roberts.
haighwiser
lol, I wouldn’t be so confident. Baseball isn’t that simple and it’s a long season, are their chances better absolutely. Are they now locked in for a ring, not a chance.
agnes gooch
so sick of this stupid narrative nando, it’s just regurgitated nonsense from social media. Do you live here? I bet not. So pipe down or visit and see for yourself before repeating falsehoods. I do live here. It’s gorgeous. Yes there are some homeless but not anymore than any major city. End of story.
sirchaseph
Lmfao…bro…comeon. It’s a hellscape. The entire country knows it. You’re not hiding it anymore. Maybe the 20th media report about having to get an employee to unlock shampoo in a pharmacy did yall in
sacball
You mean 20th Fox News report…
Brian frigging Downing
They cleaned it up when their overlords from China came to visit. It was simi decent for a week, now you can’t walk through tenderloin or Chinatown without stepping over homeless people shooting up, and stepping right into their poo. It’s a glorious place. The shinning pearl of the golden state.
JackStrawb
“Overlords from China.”
—-Glad to see everyone’s falling in line and hating all the proper countries again.
It was getting so confusing that week people were thinking for themselves.
case
The 20th Russian troll farm youtube report…
Bart Harley Jarvis
@sircha,
I’ll bet your shampoo, toothpaste, and deodorant are under lock and key at your local Piggly Wiggly. Fess up, you know it’s true.
Brian frigging Downing
Lack of massive amounts of drug inhalation from the rampant open air drug dens allowed free thought for one week. Who’d a thunk it…
Brian frigging Downing
Piggy Wiggly? Is this snowflake making the assumption that this fine lad is from the south, and if so, what’s wrong with that?
Non Roster Invitee
Wrong
Pete'sView
nando390 — Every major city has the same problems. You are just pushing the old narrative.
acoss13
If I drive to the bad neighborhoods in Chicago, they’ll look like garbage, with homeless people, and dilapidated buildings, just like every city does. Same goes with the narrative that Chicago has so much crime.
These narratives are propaganda from the extreme far right, the authoritarian ideology embedded on them has many people eating up this way of thinking.
Joel P
I live in Denver. People say the same thing. Yes there is a homeless problem here. Why? Because it’s a great city that has laws in place that are beneficial to foreigners. Just like Chicago.
These people that say this stuff live in small towns in red states where diversity is nowhere to be found.
User 2079935927
You’re never been to Orange County. It’s clean, clean oh so very clean. eg. The City of Irvine. No billboards,No liquor stores, no laundry mats, no head shops. =low low crime rate. No 99 cent only stores, no thrift stores. No lie.
Bart Harley Jarvis
@JoelP,
And these small town, simple folk are thinking life is grand as they chow down most evenings at their local Olive Garden, Applebees, and Cheesecake Factory. It’s not their fault, they’ll just never know any better.
Joel P
The kind of small towns I am thinking of would kill to have an Applebee’s.
Brian frigging Downing
Laws that are beneficial to illegal aliens, not foreigners. With that comes crime, homelessness, drugs and social decay as we see in all these sanctuary cities that you love.
Joel P
And you have been muted. Peace.
dumper
No surprise here, brian made an educated statement, so joel gave up.
Brian frigging Downing
Flowflakes melt easy… Truth is always hard to hear for the “woke”
Joel P
You want to talk politics? On a baseball forum???
I don’t.
You are mad about something I said earlier and now you are trolling my comments here.
You know what that means? It means I no longer read your comments. Muted. Peace.
haighwiser
It’s a great city with laws in place?? What are you talking about?. I don’t think there is a clean and safe big city in this country. If I can’t safely take any random exit off of the highway then your city is not good. If I am driving down a nice area of the city and it just all of a sudden looks like a fing war zone in Somalia, you don’t live in a nice city. If the guy at the Hotel tells me to stay out of a certain area because it’s not safe and points out half of the City, then you don’t live in a nice City. There is not one big City in our Country where this doesn’t happen and I have been to many. San Francisco, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Denver, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Chicago, Baltimore, Miami, New Orleans, Minneapolis, New York…
JeromeWilliamsPuka
Oh yeah. Santa Ana is the epitome of “clean.” I’m sure you walk those streets everyday.
User 112202899
Every major democrat city you mean.
You sound vaccinated, Pete
scottn59c
@Agnes and Pete: You guys are right, but it may not matter. What really matters is how the players see the city of SF. Posey, himself, acknowledged that some players and their wives wives have grown wary of living in SF. I know it feels like a lot of people here are trolling (and some are), but SF has an image problem. And beyond that, the team has a reputation problem, as a platoon-heavy, analytics-driven club that’s wallowing in a perpetual “retooling”.
Joel P
Posey was wary of covid and retired. Hey if I was super rich I probably wouldn’t want to be around poor people either but it doesn’t make it right.
scottn59c
Posey came back after Covid and had a rather resurgent season. He retired on top, and his moved his family out of Georgia and into SF, where he is a hero and now a major ambassador for baseball. His statements about SF are coming from a place of honesty, and there’s no reason to smear him or his character for that.
Joel P
If Posey really cares then he should take his money and start making a difference.
The gap between the rich and the poor in big cities is getting out of hand. I live in Denver it’s the same problems here. And he’s the freaking rich it’s not his place to talk it really isnt.
scottn59c
Posey has spent millions giving back to his community through his nonprofit:
abc7news.com/buster-posey-retirement-bp28-foundati…
Joel P
That’s not what the article says. Says he raised money not spent money.
What about poor people? Do they not need help too?
Like I said the gap between the rich and poor is the problem. And he’s the rich.
Yankee Clipper
Whether SF has a larger problem than other cities is not the issue at-hand, imho. Although the specific city and it’s culture, population, schools, crime, housing, etc will naturally come into consideration with anyone taking a job there, I believe it has far more to do with {most} players’ desire to win while making the most money possible.
I think players view the team’s roster construction, the timeline in which they’re perceived to be truly competitive, and ownership’s commitment to win in the same way many of us do and that impacts their decisions greatly. Everybody wants to be a winner.
Joel P
The Giants have a great history and have won 3 championships in the last 20 years. How could anyone look at the Giants and not see them as a good place to win?
People just making stuff up.
Yankee Clipper
Joel: I assume that was in response to my post (but I’m not sure). If it was, my comment was speaking to their future, not their past. It’s no different for the Yankees, albeit they have a much more recent competitive run. Realistically, if you’re saying you see the Giants as a winning club right now, I don’t think that’s being objective.
That doesn’t mean they aren’t capable; it means they’re not among those teams that are most likely.
Joel P
How do the Yankees have a more promising future than the Giants? The Yankees have bloated contract after bloated contract. The Yankees were a 500 team last year. Half the team is in their 30s.
I remember when the Marlins and Giants had a deal worked out for Stanton. But Stanton didn’t want to play for the Giants. So now he’s a Yankee. How has that worked out?
Judge was on the IL last year in the first year of that enormous contract.
Rodon, former Giant, was signed to a monster contract by the Yankees and that first year couldn’t have gone worse.
Seems like the Giants have dodged a lot of bullets at the Yankees expense lately.
good vibes only
As much fun as it is to root against the Yankees, and as flawed as both teams are, the Yankees roster and farm are both stronger presently IMO and it’s not close. The bloated contracts dont matter for either team because they are both top market teams with owners willing to spend like that. That said the Yankees have a pretty bad manager.
bag o ballz
It is all propaganda, the fox news and nypost driven narrative is that SF is some miserable hellscape and they prove it with video and photos of the worst part of the tenderloin, which is like a 5×10 block area of the city max. It is not what SF or the larger bay area is like at all. I also love how when places like Missouri and Ohio talk about drugs it is, why aren’t Democrats doing anything about the poor white fentanyl addicts suffering, but when it comes to SF the narrative is that they’re are evil drug addicts crowding the street causing crime because they are Democrats- it is all propaganda because the right and their BS narratives are tailored to push their political beliefs on the ignorant masses of their viewers and yes it screws baseball there.
haighwiser
I think what you mean is there is a 5 x 10 area that is decent to live in, SF and Oakland are dumps and they have been dumps for the last 30 years, it’s not anything new. Los Angeles is no different, you have pockets of nice areas surrounded by street gangs, homelessness. If you think SF as a whole is a nice place to live you have been there too long and need to leave.
good vibes only
Not a Giants fan, but just stop with this nonsense. Virtually every major american city has the same big problems. Those problems make no difference to millionaires. LA, SF, Chicago, NYC are all amazing cities to live if you’re wealthy enough to do so and are world class cultural cities with a lot of problems. If I were Shohei/Yamamoto/etc I wouldn’t sign with SF either if the money was the same, but it wouldn’t have anything to do with the city. They need to get their development pipeline right, they seem kinda lost as an organization.
Joel P
I was with you until the end part. They don’t seem to have any developmental issues. Logan Webb is a stud and hes homegrown. They have lots of talented young players.
good vibes only
I’m not saying they don’t have some home grown talent, Webb and Doval are certainly home grown and I think Luciano will probably be okay too, but their farm used to be a major strength and it’s just not anymore. They have a bottom tier farm with not much coming. Their position player lineup is completely unacceptable even with Lee. The only real way out of this for them is to spend their way out and unfortunately the top free agents just don’t seem to be into it. I was rooting for them to get Shohei of the obvious big money candidates.
Joel P
What top free agents said no to the Giants?
Judge was a Yankee he wanted to remain a Yankee.
Every team wanted Yamamto and Ohtani only the Dodgers ended up with them.
You are just making stuff up man. Why? I don’t know. I guess one guy said it and you wanted to be part of the club so you are saying it too.
Yankee Clipper
You’re obviously trying to argue. It’s blatantly obvious why this discussion is occurring as it relates specifically to SF, which is what the entire discussion is about.
-They have no notable FA signings. Who did they miss? Uh, Ohtani, Yamamoto, Judge, Harper, Trea Turner, Semien, Seager, etc.
But I’m not arguing they are any different than many other clubs; In fact, I put the Yankees in that category as well. I simply said it’s more likely FAs are choosing teams with whom they believe they have a better chance to win. You went full panic-button offended for whatever reason.
I’m actually contradicting the existing narrative, but you’re obviously being too close-minded to see it. You are so eager to argue that you make comments in the face of basic facts, like Buster Posey, who is part owner, stating that there is a FA problem.
Joel P
If you think I only want to argue then why on earth do you keep replying?????
That’s all I got pal. Take it easy.
Yankee Clipper
Okay, I’ll bite one last time: I’ve responded to your questions and assertions with facts that you coincidentally ignore and then you change topics.
You don’t acknowledge any facts, you simply change your argument to keep a back and forth going. It’s annoying. You’re claiming you don’t want to argue, but you agree to nothing even when proven wrong; that’s not a discussion.
Do you find it odd that multiple people are saying they are trying to discuss something with you yet you appear to be arguing for argument’s sake? Think about that for a minute……
dumper
I agree, even if the city was hell itself, that would not be the reason players don’t choose to play there. Giants fans are trying find any reason why nobody wants to play there other than that the team just isn’t good
Joel P
A couple players chose not to play for the Giants and fans are writing the narrative with nonsense.
I am a Cardinals fan. A few years ago when Heyward chose to sign with Chicago and the team signed bums Fowler, Leake and Cecil people thought that nobody wanted to play in St Louis. But that wasn’t actually true it was simply a couple guys who didn’t want to play in St Louis.
Just because a player chooses to play somewhere else doesn’t mean they don’t want to play in San Francisco it just means they wanted to play somewhere else more.
I don’t know why people hate on the Giants. Probably because they are so good is my guess.
dumper
I’m not hating on the giants. But they were 79-83 last year, which I would not classify as “good”. In addition to this, they have a below average farm system.
They won the world series nine years ago. Good for them and good for the fans. But that was nine years ago. The team doesn’t seem to be headed in the positive direction as of right now, which of course could change, but for now, it would be hard to get a player who wants to win to go there.
Joel P
Players don’t have to always sign with last year’s best teams. Good gosh man stop being such a front running fan.
dumper
Yeah but none of them want to. Not to say it never happens (kris bryant) but if i were a free agent, the direction of the team would be one if the main things i’m focused on. I wasn’t trying to argue with you again, dude. you don’t need to engage with every single person who replies to your comment.
Joel P
A couple players chose to play somewhere else and not in San Francisco and because of that you are making weird assumptions and writing the narrative how you see fit.
Why? I sure don’t know. I guess you cheer for a rival team?
If you don’t want to talk then don’t. Nobody made you reply.
dumper
I would like to be able to comment and share my opinions on this platform, and if you disagree with something i say, by all means, go ahead and share your opinion. What i do not like is you accusing me of being a “front running fan”, accusing me of making “weird assumptions”, and “writing the narrative how i see fit”.
Rather than having a debate with me, you just insult me, and you do that to everybody else too.
You are here just to get angry and to make other people angry. Doesn’t matter the issue, you will pick a side and will never concede anything. You’re a cardinals fan, right? Why are you all of a sudden this staunch defender of the giants?
Joel P
⁹If you dont want to talk then don’t reply. It’s ridiculous to keep replying and tell me I shouldn’t reply to your comments.
I don’t pick sides because I cheer for one particular team I try to see things with an open mind and I like baseball so I like to discuss all teams not just my own.
You assume players should only sign with a team who was good last year. That’s not how things work. The Rangers sucked when they signed Seager and Semien. Now they are the Champs. You can’t just jump on the bandwagon all the time. Good lord if you are that good of a player you can be tue difference the team needs between winning and losing.
The comments about the Giants are weird. What team are you a fan of???? I don’t understand why you care so much.
dumper
It sounds to me like you don’t just keep an open mind for baseball, you are actively looking for an argument.
I am not asking you to stop replying to my comments, i am asking you to stop being rude. You just did it again by calling my comments about the giants weird. Just because they are different opinions than your own does not make them weird.
I am a mariners fan. And I really don’t care that much, you’re right. So in the holiday spirit, i am going to let this go. Merry Christmas.
Joel P
Your comments are weird just like many other comments here are. People keep putting down the city as if its not one of the biggest and best cities to live in the country. People keep putting the team down as if they don’t have a great history and tradition of success. And that’s rude fella. So maybe you shouldn’t be rude and then crying victim when someone says something you don’t like.
If you are a Mariners fan not caring that much is probably the best attitude to have. Because their ownership certainly doesn’t. Not all teams are pinching pennies this offseason.
Joel P
And i didn’t call your comments specifically about the Giants weird I said all comments about the Giants here have been weird. It’s a bunch of weird haters piling on because a couple players chose to play somewhere else and not San Francisco. And I don’t get it.
Yankee Clipper
Okay, a lot to unpack there.
A) It wasn’t one player. It has been multiple top FAs.
B) I was responding to the comment that it was the City of SF that was the problem and said it was more likely to be their perception of the organization’s direction
C) If you don’t see that NYY have a better chance at winning with the team they have, which includes arguably the #1 player in the AL and the reigning Cy Young winner, I wholeheartedly disagree. Yankees have consistently finished above 90 wins (except last season) and just markedly improved the offense for this season.
the_mariners_stink
Joel, why do you care so much about the feelings of a billion dollar organization? Also, it is completely delusional to say san francisco is one of the best cities to live in.
Joel P
No it wasn’t just one player. It was multiple players. Which is 2 or more. Kind of vague. How about you name them. Weird how you didn’t do that.
You completely ignored the Stanton situation. That trade was done Stanton would be a Giant today if he didn’t use his NTC. It was a done deal.
The Yankees have old players with giant contracts. I think they are better in 2024 as it stands today. But the Giants have more money to spend. And they don’t have any contract that will weigh them down in the future like the Yankees do.
Joel P
San Francisco has some of the highest property values of anywhere in the entire country. Now if it was that bad why doesn’t everyone move somewhere else?
dumper
First of all, I was not rude to the giants organization. I just said they were at a point with no real direction, but that could change.
Secondly, even if I had been rude, it’s weird that you are personally offended for a team you aren’t even a fan of. If I was rude to you, that’s a different story. But I wasn’t.
Third, i am not playing a victim here. I am just asking you to stop insulting me. And you are right, I don’t like that.
You just come back with these little snarky remarks to everyone, never adding anything if value to the argument.
I don’t know who you are, what you do, or why you have so much free time to get into so many arguments. Just be chill like almost everyone else on this site.
Joel P
Who said I was personally offended? You said that not me. You interpreted that for reasons I don’t understand and now you are arguing against it.
If you don’t want to discuss the subject anymore then don’t. That’s your choice. I won’t sit here and talk to myself I can promise you that.
I do have more free time than most people. And I happen to be sick so kinda stuck only doing a few things these last few days. I don’t consider this an argument again you are interpreting things in a weird way.
If you don’t want to talk then stop replying. Nobody is making you reply.
dumper
I’m sorry you’re sick.
But I really am getting tired of you calling me “weird” instead of actually responding to what i say. Like i said, i am happy to have a conversation with you. If this isn’t an argument, then I don’t know what is. I am not interpreting this in a weird way. If this is something you want to do to pass the time, head on over to twitter.
Joel P
I didn’t say you are weird I said you are interpreting things in a weird way. And you just did it again.
Again if you don’t want to talk stop telling me to stop and look in the mirror. You aren’t a victim.
Yankee Clipper
Dumper: Joel is arguing just to argue. It is apparent he isn’t capable of discussing this without resorting to name-calling and then claiming he’s not offended.
He also has a terrible habit of taking statements out of context to further his argument, and claim a self-righteous response. You’re simply baiting him by trying to have a honest discussion.
He also cannot contextualize information. He doesn’t seem to have basic discernment regarding points of discussion.
dumper
Bro, i haven’t said ONCE i dont want to talk. I have, however, asked you to stop insulting me, which I believe is reasonable. But, maybe the only way you know how to talk is in insults, in which case, yes, i am telling you i don’t want to talk. But you and i both agree that it would be weird for me to keep talking to you if I didn’t believe you had the capacity for normal conversation.
I am aware I am not a victim. No need to tell me that.
What am I interpreting in a weird way? The fact that we are currently in an argument? Ask anyone else to read over this and they will tell you this is an argument.
dumper
You’re right YC. I’m wasting my time with this guy. Have a merry christmas.
Joel P
If you think I am insulting you then why do you keep replying?
You said nothing about the Giants in your last reply. That’s the subject not me and you.
I think it’s weird how people are jumping all over the Giants and making assumptions about them. I don’t understand the motivation for it.
norcalblue
Wow! Please let it go Joel. Dumper has been incredibly gracious with you and you continue to double down with insults. The latest being an attack on Mariners ownership. He disagrees with you and you disagree with him. Just let it go and demonstrate some civility.
Joel P
I let him go alright I just muted him. I never insulted anyone the dude kept getting weirdly personal about things that aren’t personal at all. Attack Mariners ownership? Lol sure. I said the truth the team is cheap and not trying to win.
People are jumping on the bandwagon to insult the Giants. I don’t care for it. Why you are here I don’t have a clue.
dumper
norcalblue, trust me on this one, don’t engage with this guy. It will just lead to more frustration. He will never look at any perspective outside of his own and calls you weird if you think differently.
Joel P
Oh I get it. You are a Dodgers fan so it’s ok to talk trash about the Giants in your mind.
That’s lame.
case
How do the flyover states deal with it? Chicago and St. Louis are the only ones that consistently land big free agents and contract extensions.
Joel P
Flyover states? I don’t know what kind of silly comment that is. Who says that?
Chicago is a huge city with a lot of things going for it
St Louis is a big city with a better baseball history than anyone except the Yankees.
Baseball is bigger than the East and West Coast.
Brian frigging Downing
“Chicago is a huge city with a lot of things going for it” – thats true if you consider the highest murder rate in the county something that’s going for it.
Joel P
Where do you live Downing?
Brian frigging Downing
Orange County.
Brian frigging Downing
And if you’re swinging by grab a 12er
Joel P
Not everyone can afford to live in Orange County. If they could it would have more crime…….
Brian frigging Downing
Guess that’s the point of working hard and earning a good living so that you can live somewhere decent and not have to worry about being shot in the face 24/7, right? Basic social studies stuff here.
dumper
And if it had more crime then it would suck to live there…
Joel P
You ever been to Chicago? Most of the crime happens in the very very poor areas of the city. So most people who live in Chicago do not have to worry about getting shot in the face 24 7.
The guy who runs this site is from Chicago. You want to hear him chime on on the subject? I imagine you don’t….
Brian frigging Downing
@BHJ GFY
Bart Harley Jarvis
@BfD,
And a Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! Go hug your kids, if you’re lucky enough to have some.
Brian frigging Downing
@BHJ what part of GFY didn’t you understand sweetheart?
Bart Harley Jarvis
You really need a comma between ‘understand’ and ‘sweetheart’ to properly get your point across. Not withstanding, the G and the F.
dumper
Get rid of the space between “not” and “withstanding” to properly get your point across. It’s one word.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Noted, thank you!
Bart Harley Jarvis
@dump,
Apologies if you’re a fan of @BfD. I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings.
dumper
Not a fan, just calling out hypocrisy when i see it. Next time you try to passive-aggressively correct the grammatical skills of someone in an MLB Trade Rumors comment section rather than having a normal conversation, look at your own.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah, that space between the ‘t’ and the ‘w’ was a back breaker. I am humbled. Job well done!
dumper
It’s ridiculous for me to call you out for something so minor, right?
Now, I want you to carefully look at my correction of your grammar, then look at your correction of his grammar, and get back to me and tell me why I was being sarcastic.
Bart Harley Jarvis
I’m hoping we can be best friends. I think you’re special.
dumper
Me too, Bart. Merry Christmas.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Hug your kids, dumps. It beats the hell out of shitposting.
dumper
Wow, you don’t know when to quit. Flagged and blocked. Never talk to me again.
padam
Joel – everyone who travels says it.
Jack Dawkins
I was telling a friend before Ohtani signed with the Dodgers that the Giants should offer free rent in a nice house in Tiburon. He would also need a chauffeured speedboat that he can dock in McCovey Cove. It would avoid all the unpleasantness in the streets of San Francisco. I believe Klay Thompson of the Warriors does something like this.
M.C.Homer
I’ve seen more homeless in the supposedly “paradise” of Hawaii than anywhere in CA.
Vegas, Phoenix, Portland no different than S.F. either.
Talking strictly baseball, the Padres, White Sox, Mets, Rockies are no better managed either
Jack Dawkins
Homer, a large chunk of the homeless in Hawaii were sent there with a one way ticket by mainland governments. It is a quick and dirty solution to their own problem.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Small town U.S.A. has been taking care of its homeless situation for years with one-way bus tickets to big cities. Out of sight, out of mind…
M.C.Homer
Not From S.F.
Native Californian though.
Lived in Venice in 60s, Long Beach in 70s, O.C. ever since the 80s.
PKVA
Losing out on Yamamoto Ohtani twice Judge Harper, I don’t want the Giants to get to drawn into a bidding war for Snell. A trade for Burnes maybe the better deal financially. Bellinger market does not seem that it will turn into a bidding war so Giants should prioritize that free agent above all else. But if I’m the Angels I would also be so everything to sign Belinger to get at least a little anti-Dodger motivation.
scottn59c
Don’t need Bellinger after getting Lee. Bellinger is a $200m bust waiting to happen.
Pete'sView
PKVA —Burnes is a one-year rental and has stated that he will NOT sign an extension. He wants to hit free agency in the 2024 off season.
corrosive23
Dodgers 10 years 275 Mil. calling it now, or I’m wrong, but that seems to be the trend,
Wolf Hoffmann
Dodgers have no interest in Snell.
stymeedone
Limiting the deals to short term lengths is why Gausman is on Toronto, but its also the reason Rodon is on the Yankees’ injured list and not SFs. Its worked out much more often than not.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Might as well have Snell go to the Giants. Pour on the suck this offseason for SD.
Blue Baron
But the Giants could sign Snell and still suck.
Halo11Fan
I don’t follow the Giants, I follow the Angels.
There is talent on the Angels, but a ton of question marks. The Angels have a great chance of getting a lot of positive answers next year, and a great chance to get a lot of negative answers as well.
If they get enough positive answers, and add a true top of the rotation starter, they’ll be opportunities to win sooner than later.
I don’t follow the Giants enough to know how Snell fits, and you don’t follow the Angels enough to know how Snell fits.
Blue Baron
Not a great look for them to have traded Coleman Crow for Eduardo Escobar and the Mets turn him into Adrian Houser plus.
Halo11Fan
I think Minasian is a moron. He seldom makes good moves.
Halo11Fan
I’m not really sure the Angels need to do more. They have added four minor league bullpen arms and a minor league firstbaseman.
They are set.
prov356
Seriously?
Halo11Fan
Sarcasm
prov356
Man. Don’t scare me like that.
acoss13
Angels need to bring in washed up players like Walsh back in order for their offseason to be completely taken care of.
In all seriousness, Snell would help a ton. Not sure if you’d want or need Bellinger.
Halo11Fan
Not calling you a troll.
What the Angels need to do is add foundational pieces this year. Figure out who can play in 2024, and then make smart moves next off-season.
The trolls that come on threads that have no knowledge of where teams stand seldom have takes worth reading,
Hman
Come on, who doesn’t like to walk through feces and open air drug markets to get an $8 cup of coffee?
Jack Dawkins
Don’t forget the used needles getting stuck in the soles of your shoes.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
An $8 small cup of coffee.
Suitcase Simpson
only 2 million tourists a year because it’s a world class city
Brian frigging Downing
3rd world class.
THEY LIVE!!!
That’s a $19 cup of coffee in SF.
Joel P
Where do you live?
THEY LIVE!!!
You have to give the aggressive panhandlers $10 to get close enough to the drive thru and you have to tip the cashier or they spit in your $8 cup of coffee.
Joel P
Where do you live?
THEY LIVE!!!
Why do you want to know?
Joel P
Why don’t you want to share?
Bart Harley Jarvis
@THEY,
Get some help, seriously.
Brian frigging Downing
Somewhere nicer than you.
Joel P
So the team you root for signs the 2 biggest free agents out there and trades for Glasnow and your here trolling the city of San Francisco.
Really cool fella.
THEY LIVE!!!
I read a previous post of yours crowing about living in Denver Colorado. That’s fine but then you had to mock people living in RED States & made the ignorant comment that there’s no “diversity” in rural America. Problem with people like you is that you’re always looking to create division & see racism everywhere. You’re part of the problem as I see it.
Joel P
I grew up in middle America in a red state. I saw this stuff firsthand. My family still lives there. Growing up I had a friend who was from Mexico and he was picked on for no reason except he looked different. When I went to my friends houses out in the country their parents and grandparents would criticize my Japanese car. This stuff is real.
Again you should be happy your team just signed the 2 biggest free agents available and instead you are here trolling Giants fans. That’s not cool dude. Not at all. Take a look in the mirror.
THEY LIVE!!!
Are you serious? Put aside your lame SJW cause & just enjoy the message board. I only mock people who think they are the standard by which to live by.
That’s you Joel. Whether I’m cool or not is none of your business either.
Joel P
Again your team just signed the top 2 free agents in MLB and you showed up to this post to troll San Frnacisco and their fans. You did that.
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Please mute yourself. Smoke a bowl. Eat a bowl of Cocoa Puffs & try again tomorrow. How about those Rockies❓
Pete'sView
He doesn’t want to share for the obvious reason, he doesn’t live or know anything about San Francisco. He’s just a keyboard warrior, easy to repeat dung.
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@Pete’sView from the hole in the wall of the roadside Men’s room stall.
I have been to SF one two many times, where the locals are leftist snobs and horrible drivers. While downtown LA is lousy I always look forward to my trips to Dodger Stadium.
Brian frigging Downing
Joel is the problem. Typical wanna be woke white kid pandering to the leftist ideas because he’s been a failure at life. He is the worst part of this country. In the 1980s he’d be ran out of here quick but like him these children these days are uneducated and brain washed
Brian frigging Downing
He wouldn’t want to live in that s-hole. Keyboard warrior huh? Pot meet kettle tough guy
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Central California. Dodger fan.
Cap & Crunch
How goods the coffee?
Starbucks is 6$ now and tastes like toilet water, id take the primo for 8 any day of the week !
mab51357
I know. Philadelphia is bad
Pete'sView
Hman — Are you talking about LA or Chicago? Maybe Philly or Denver or?
Jack Dawkins
Guys, can’t we all just get along? My semi-trolling comment about used needles is actually based in reality. I live across the Golden Gate bridge in the next county called Marin. I changed my Username from Marin Dodger because some genuine troll made a comment about not being able to ascertain my gender, as if that is really important. The fact of the matter is that there are many people who live in the Greater San Francisco Bay area that are truly disgusted by the situation in the city and county of San Francisco which are one and the same. If you Google SF’s square mileage, you will find that it is only 46 square miles. There was a recent government survey that revealed over 1/3 of the city suffers from foul things on the street. I don’t know about Chicago, Philly or Denver but I do know about LA where I lived for over 6 decades before moving to the Bay Area 10 years ago. The city of LA is 500 square miles and it probably has about 20 square miles comparable to SF’s troubled areas. Granted that most of LA’s homeless center around the downtown area where Dodger Stadium is located but the freeway system whizzes you right past it all. You will never see it on the way to the Stadium because the homeless encampments are located in the industrial area well south of the ballpark and not visible from the freeway. SF on the other hand has about 20 square miles of problem areas in just 46 total. This is where the common narrative comes from. Buster’s comment about a “perception problem” is just him trying to be polite about the depth of the city’s woes. It really is pretty bad there. I hope things get better there but, in the meantime, I and my friends up here avoid SF as much as possible. The last time I went there to deal with the IRS, I had to park on the street. Standard procedure doing that means to not leave anything valuable in the car. It is also advisable to leave your glove box and console open for inspection. And, of course, take your keys and lock the doors. Sure there are parts of town in LA where you should do these things too but not for literally 1/3 of the town like SF. It is not trolling to say all this. It is unfortunately factual. Blaming whoever for this state of affairs is non productive. That energy is better spent thinking up solutions. Go Dodgers and play ball!
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Well thought out reply Jack Dawkins. I sincerely hope I never have to revisit San Francisco the rest of my days. One thing I’ll miss though is Ghiradelli’s Hot Fudge Sundae.
Yoki
You just described two different neighborhoods in SF.
Big whiffa
The two names u drop when u want the team u want to go to to pony up just a little more !
kasey
Halos make it happen !
Simm
Congrats on the signing Angels fans.
Unless the giants over pay he won’t be going there.
CarlEverettsPetDinosaur
heard he has a good relationship with Bob Melvin. that could play a part.
Simm
More the padres pitching coach than anything. Bob was a pretty hands off manager. Dollars and where he wants to live will matter not bob.
Yanks2
Tim needs to do something about these trolls with really obnoxious and stupid usernames. Should implement a grace period with an account before being able to join or add comments. Way too many trolls to the point where it’s obnoxious and they’re making these usernames just to get attention and it’s pathetic ly immature and dumb
User 2079935927
That NEVER plays a part. Wow Melvin gets along with Melvin. Yeah he’ll sign with them. NOT
User 2079935927
meant Melvin gets along with Snell.
Yoki
Jung-Hoo Lee considered, and then chose to sign with the Giants because he was told by his good friend Ha-Seong Kim that he’s going to “play for a good manager”.
Maybe it wasn’t the ultimate deciding factor, but it plays it’s part, and should not be ignored.
Joel P
Wow rival fan talking trash about the Giants. How original.
Where are the Padres at?
Simm
Ahead of the giants. 100% that snell for the same money would be a padre before a giant.
Sorry I touched your feelers.
It’s going to be okay. As soon as the streets get all the crap removed from them. I’m sure guys will want to sign there again.
Joel P
The Giants have 3 championships in the last 20 years. They have a rich history with some of the all time greats representing their franchise.
The Padres have Tony Gwynn. No titles. San Diego is a nice city my uncle lives there. But it has no history of doing anything in baseball.
Simm
Cool, all that and they still can’t get a star to take their money.
Joel P
The Padres couldn’t get anyone to take their money last year until Bogaerts finally said yes to their ridiculous offer. Last team on the planet who needed a shortstop. Smart…..
Simm
Xander is halfway to the hall of fame so I guess we shall take that.
I’m am sorry I hit a soft spot. I’m sure the giants will eventually breakthrough and get a star.
Joel P
If the Padres didn’t sign Bogaerts they could play Cronenworth at 2b where he belongs and would have had money to keep Soto.
Simm
Right because those two are going to make almost the same. You should be a gm.
Eatdust666
And they almost had Willie Mays and Hank Aaron in the same outfield, but they didn’t because of 50 dollars. Seriously, that’s what Hank Aaron’s reason for why he never played in the same outfield as Willie Mays other than the All Star Game.
Jean Matrac
“100% that snell for the same money would be a padre before a giant.”
That’s pure conjecture, so it lacks value of any kind. Maybe try actual facts like this: Judge rejecting SD’s largest offer to make his final decision to be between NY and SF? How does that fit with your delusions when despite the most money offered the Padres finish 3rd behind the Giants and Yanks?
Simm
It’s okay, giants will get a star. Obviously not this year but there are a couple available next year. I believe they will get it done.
Joel P
Padres had numerous stars last year. What did that get them?
TrumboRedux
Halo’s need at least 5 more starters, 5 more relievers, and 12 more hitters.
User 2079935927
And you need a better take.
TrumboRedux
You’re right..I re-thought the whole thing. Now I am convinced they need 6 more starters, only 4 relievers, and only 8 more hitters. Better?
User 2079935927
Keep trying. You’ll get it.
TrumboRedux
I appreciate you believing in me Winslow! Happy Festivus!
Brian frigging Downing
I concur.
PabloSanchez
I am also interested in signing Blake snell
bestone
Word on the street is that Snell is on a plane headed to Los Angeles…..Dodgers?
User 2079935927
Word is ____________________ fill in the blank is headed to _______________ is old as of 2 weeks ago,
Mustard Tiger
Lighten up, Francis.
FanOfTheUmpires
ANAHEIM’S got this in the bag. Belli too.
johndietz
Arte….. DON’T DO IT!!!!
Ma4170
Snell is a great fit in SF… mainly because that’s where I picked him to go in the FA contest
HalosHeavenJJ
Snell
Detmers
Sandoval
Canning
Anderson
Not the 90s Braves but not hard to see that being a decent rotation if it happened. I’d prefer Montgomery to Snell because he’d save the bullpen but that’s fine.
The Angels problem is a lack of organizational depth to handle the inevitable injuries of a 162 game season. I kind of trust Silseth to replace a guy for a couple of weeks and maybe Davis Daniel can tightrope through a few starts, but it is a steep cliff.
Halo11Fan
People are trolls. They don’t know the first thing about the Angels.
Mustard Tiger
Correct. Most people only know the teams that make the playoffs.
taco guy
Four lefties isn’t ideal especially when Canning has been brittle. The lack of length of those 5 starters will deplete the BP by June.
HalosHeavenJJ
Basically my 2 reasons for preferring Montgomery.
He’ll likely pitch 30-40 innings more than Snell, saving the bullpen. And I’d rather add a righty to an already lefty dominant group.
Brian frigging Downing
That rotation and a buck fifty gets you 80 wins, tops.
RyÅnWKrol
That rotation is perfectly capable of being solid. They already showed it in 2022. It’s just a matter of how far along each one is in their maturity. 2023 had a lot of growing pains. Lackey had a good rookie year but struggled in ‘03 and ‘04 before becoming the pitcher we remember him as. Washburn was called up in 1998 and wasn’t good until 2001. Ortiz called up 1999 and wasn’t good until 2001. Santana was back and forth from year to year. Hell even Randy Johnson and Pedro took a number of years to become dominant aces. The Verlanders of the world are few and far between. Don’t forget Sam Bachman. If the Angels don’t have any organizational depth to counter injuries it’s because they called everybody up, and so now is the time to get a Blake Snell and maybe one more. But we should still be seeing the returns from that all pitching draft soon. Silseth’s call up was way early.
HalosHeavenJJ
I had high hopes for Sandoval heading into the year. He regressed. But he still had a 109 ERA+. Not bad for a down year and really good for the third guy in your rotation.
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How about them Dodgers??
whosehighpitch
The Giants are so desperate for anyone to play there. They should make a monster offer for Rhys Hoskins
mlb fan
“Anyone to play there”..It’s funny, when the Giants had good players and a good core, they didn’t have problems attracting players. But with their overall lack of talent, no top free agent wants to go to S.F and be the “savior” with little help or complementary talent.
martras
The Giants have a good core of position players, but they have a couple holes they need to fill. Their rotation needs a couple arms as well. All that said, they’ve been a pretty rough team now for a while.
Yoki
Same offer they gave to Mitch Haniger. 3 yrs with a player option in the third year, at around $20 million AAV. Good prove it deal that has upside for both parties.
I love how Wilmer Flores essentially became the Giants’ lone star last year, but it’s time to cash in on that value. Cheap contract coming off a terrific season. Flip him for prospects.
Have Rhys Hoskins and LaMonte Wade, Jr. platooning 1B. Use the prospects you get for a Flores trade to replenish, or add to your farm, and go hard for Willie Adames and Corbin Burnes.
bjhaas1977
The Mets should sign Shotta and wait until next year to bring back Wheeler.
kremer
RE: Angels pitching. Worth noting that the same off-season they signed Hamilton they also grabbed CJ Wilson.
User 2079935927
@Kremer WRONG. They signed Pujols the same off season they signed Wilson.
kremer
Yup you’re right but damn….”WRONG”. I was incorrect about the off-season but the point is still valid. Why be a dick?
But my point still stands. How do you mention the pujols contract among the hitters they have signed without mentioning the Wilson deal? Feels disingenuous, no?
Sabean Wannabe
I like when they list the teams interested in the players. I’m always excited to know who the Giants will lose out to.
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Neither the Angels or Giants are relevant.
Joel P
World Series Rangers vs Diamondbacks.
How relevant were those teams a couple years ago?
Eatdust666
Two of the worst teams in baseball
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I’d be shocked if Moreno signs another big name FA. Moreno probably sells the team for real this time,
HalosHeavenJJ
Don’t get my hopes up.
Although the silence from him is odd. He didn’t even try to match Ohtani, hasn’t had an underling issue a statement. No big signings. Absolute crickets on the stadium deal.
I’m hoping he’s at home finally realizing he’s beat and working out a deal to sell the team.
But I’m an Angel fan so I’m sure I’ll be disappointed.
aragon
Minasian falls for walk year heroics. He must be really stupid. But then, I don’t think he will be able to sign him.
Enrico Pallazzo
Gonna laugh so hard if he picks Angels over giants
Joel P
I love the Bay
We love it!
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Pelican Bay??
BloodySox
Cmon dodgers don’t be cheap
agnes gooch
Snell walks too many, not a Zaidi type of guy
aragon
Giants seem to make pitchers better and sell.
Zombie Bukowski
The guy just won the cy young. What are they gonna do with him to make him better?
Yoki
Keep the good stuff that won him the Cy Young and develop a plan to coach him to walk batters less.
vivalosdoyers
Zaidi needs to take anything he can get.
oldgfan
Do think we need another lefty so Snell or Montgomery could be next targets.
Poolhalljunkies
I hope the giants get snell
scottn59c
At 5/25, sure. But Snell is a Boras client, and Boras knows he can get $200m out of some sucker GM.
Yoki
And the Giants should. If there’s a team that can afford to overpay for immediate impact, it’s SF.
Outside of pre-arb and arb guys and the options, the only players under contract in SF past 2025 are Jung-Hoo Lee and Logan Webb. $250 million might be a crazy overpay for Blake Snell, but if he’s good for 2-3 years of that deal, it’s worth swallowing the final seasons of that contract. Having the top two Cy Young guys in your rotation helps you win, and could help you bring fans back to the stadium.
Worth the investment.
titanic struggle
I’d love to see the Reds come out of nowhere and land Snell. They have the money, and a very talented, exciting team. Throw 5/35 at him and make it happen Krall..
kingsfan1968
Angels and Arte getting desperate for relevance since the Dodgers got the top 2 free agents!
User 2079935927
Those 2 contracts won’t end well.
Mustard Tiger
So what? If that’s the case the Dodgers will scratch a check, give them a bus ticket out of town, and sign another big-time free agent.
DarrenDreifortsContract
The Angels need about 5 Blake Snell’s lol.
Frank_TananaDaquri
Giants and Angels? What did Snell ever do to deserve that?
User 2976510776
San Francisco hasn’t gone beyond three years on any starting pitcher under the current regime?.
Except Logan Webb signed a 5 yr 90 mil contract last year And at least they’ve made serious offers to Ohtani or Judge. Don’t compare the Giants to Angels. They at least have a plan with an experienced GM.
User 2079935927
Never heard about any offer the Giants made Ohtani.
williemaysfield
It was reported the Giants accepted the same Ohtani contract proposal as the Dodgers. He just chose LA.
Yoki
They may have to change that at least with Blake Snell.
I know you don’t make decisions based on fan’s approval, but there’s a growing sense of frustration in the fanbase. Farhan can solve that, and the issue of getting better by setting aside their philosophy and giving the money to Snell..
Fans will be satisfied, the product on the field will be better. Two birds, one stone for ignoring the system for just one time..
SFBay314
Even we can’t mess this up. Have heard Seattle is in play because he is from there, who knows.
All I know is he will be back to mediocre after he gets his 5 years
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Snell wants to pitch for Seattle, but all reports are they aren’t in on him. This offseason, the Padres are Penny Pinchers South and the Mariners are Penny Pinchers North.
websoulsurfer
Its amazing how things change. now the Padres are being called penny pinchers for only spending up to the CBT threshold, but not blowing past it.
Mustard Tiger
$200 million, the Padres salary goal for 2024, is well below the CBT threshold. That said, I’m not one to call the Padres penny pinchers. For multiple seasons now they’ve spent beyond their means and are now reducing salary to a reasonable amount given their revenues. Even with the loss of Snell and Soto they will still have a good team that has a very realistic chance at making a wildcard entry into the playoffs.
just_thinkin
Snell’s probably like, you gotta be kidding me.
erickohli
Snell can throw 5 innings a start. Not worth it.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
In 2023, out of 32 starts, Snell made it through 6 innings or more in 20 of them. He threw 180 innings total.
fangraphs.com/players/blake-snell/13543/game-log?p…
Even after getting his payday, he’ll surely be motivated that workload, and the successful results, was not a one-off.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
…motivated *to prove* that workload, that should read.
J.H.
If the Angels continue to thread this needle between a budget and competitiveness it will only end in continued failure. They are in a spot where the only path forward is to completely tear it down or spend a lot of money, which still doesn’t guarantee you anything but at least gives you a chance.
Of course, you’d have to believe Arte actually prioritizes winning and not maximizing his profits.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I hope the Red Sox choose Montgomery over 5 inning Snell, if they’re even after pitching anymore.
desertdawg
If the Angels sign Snell, and with Rendon stuck with that 3 yr. 38mil around Moreno’s neck I see them trying to find takers for Drury to eat up some of Snell’s contract since they have no takers for Rendon, I would say Drury is next up for Moreno to take some of the sting to the wallet to acquiring Snell as a FA.
desertdawg
Question for the day??
If you could only afford to sign one FA and your choices were either Snell or Bellinger who would you sign. Oh Yeah they would both be asking for the same contract years and amount.
Just wondering!! I ask 6 friends and family and they evenly picked 3 and 3 .
aragon
Neither unless they take huge discounts which is highly unlikely. The Angels need not to spend money on players but on scouting, development and physical training.
DroppedThirdStrike
That’s like asking which prison shower I’d prefer to drop the soap in. For the money they’re gonna get, the team that signs them needs to be close, 86+ wins
Informed Sportsball Discussion
If they’d both take three year deals with incentives, I’d sign them both.
If it’s a guaranteed six years and $200 million or bust, I’d give the edge to Snell. When Bellinger was off, his WAR over three years was 1.4, -1.0, and 1.8.
Snell, at worst, still is lights out the second half of every season.
Miles-
If it’s the same years and amount, and I had to take one of them, I’d take Bellinger. My reasoning is that Bellinger might actually be back with his bat, which is great but even better is that he will always provide great D since he can shift to 1b towards the end of his career at a gold glove level.
But Snell, I think he got extremely lucky this year, and the stats back that up, with 99 walks and only going 5 innings. It also kills the bullpen. Something the padres had a real problem with. Didn’t they only win 1 game in extras last season. Part of that is not having a starter go past the 5th. Throughout his career, he’s been extremely inconsistent. I don’t think even next year looks good. Just my opinion.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Miles
In 2023, in 20 out of 32 starts, Snell went 6 innings or more. Threw 180 innings total.
You could argue he’s due for regression, but the recent data says Snell is good for more than 5 innings more often than not.
1984wasntamanual
Your point about his innings this year is correct, he averaged 5.625 in/start, but that actually worries me more. As good as his stats were this year, he was still inefficent. He was 29th in innings pitched, but 16th in pitches thrown. That’s up quite a bit from the previous years (more GS too). It would definitely concern me that perhaps he was over used and could see some fatigue the start of next season.
His pitches thrown the last 3 seasons
2023 – 3168 (16)
2022 – 2616 (53)
2021 – 2347 (69)
Yoki
If I’m the Angels, I’ll do Cody Bellinger. Have to replace the bat left by Shohei Ohtani.
If I’m the Giants, it’s Blake Snell. Can’t outhit the Dodgers and the D-Backs, so load up on pitching and defense and don’t let them score runs.
CCooper8920
Hopefully he signs with the Dodgers
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Angels should package Rendon with Jo Adell to any team willing to take on Rendon’s contract even if it’s for barely nothing in return, like Joey Bart.
desertdawg
You might have to have Moreno to throw in some big dollars for the next 3 yrs for any GM to consider taking broken down Rendon’s contract. Rendon’s contract is one of the worse in all of baseball.
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Rendon’s contract IS the worst contract in baseball,
DroppedThirdStrike
And pay 60% of it down
Chemo850
Rendon has no intention of ever playing again. Guy is a fraud and clearly doesn’t care much for the sport. Any team taking that guy on would be to just release him so it would require significantly more than just Jo
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If I were Moreno I would DFA Rendon and refuse to pay the rest of the contract because as you say Rendon is a fraud.
Chemo850
He should. Ellsbury did something similar with the Yankees and he got away with it because he had a fragile medical history up to that point. But this guy? Clearly not hurt and just collecting a check. If you can grab a male fan three feet above you by the neck and try to fight him then you ain’t injured.
benhen77
In fairness, Rendon was on the active roster. At the time of the incident.
Chemo850
Active in spirit mainly. Because he certainly still wasn’t playing lmfao
1984wasntamanual
You are dramatically overrating Adell’s value or under rating how much the Rendon contract is under water.
I know it’s not perfect, but Baseballtradevalues has Rendon at -84.7, which seems reasonable. Adell is at +1.2 for reference.
Salzilla
Please, have at it.
acoss13
I think I have Snell going to the Giants, can’t remember now…
But he’s a guy, he’d be playing in a pitcher-friendly park, and Giants have the money to pay him. He’d be a great help to both teams.
DroppedThirdStrike
Front load it, no opt outs, then trade him in three years if they aren’t close or someone wants to get stupid about an overpay.
Yoki
I would disagree on the opt-out. Give him an incentive to pitch well half way thru his deal.
7 years / $250 million. Front loaded. Opt-out by year four. If he’s still a top guy, he can get more money. And Giants can get away with it because they have a good farm system of pitchers who will be ready by the time Snell chooses to opt-out.
giantsguy41
Let me be the first to congratulate the Angels on acquiring Blake Snell. No question the Giants will blow this one too.
phenomenalajs
I could see him going to the Giants. Since his hometown Mariners aren’t likely to commit that level of salary to him, the Giants are the closest team to his home that could.
phenomenalajs
With a 2-hour flight, that is. I don’t think there’s any MLB team closer than 800 miles from Seattle.
Central Valley
Trevor Bauer, 3 year contract Giants.
No on Snell for the $ he’s going to want.
oldgfan
Hasn’t pitched in the league since 2021.
Why would anyone think he is still the guy he was?
Pete'sView
Of all the teams you could pick for signing Trevor Bauer, the Giants are the least likeliest. Although, my guess is nobody wants him on their team.
Wren
Snell would be great for the Angels but suddenly you have to promote him as the face instead of Shohei? grim task.
oldgfan
Not enough chin for that …
the old ranger
Why would any free agent want to sign with the Angels? Snell is obvious because his only solid years are in contract years. His overall book isn’t that good.
If I were Perry Minasian I would bail before this ruins his career. There is no team here. It’s a collection of mediocre position fillers led by an overweight veteran who can no longer last a full year, a third baseman who lives under a rock & excuses plus a starting staff of nonproducers.. This team should be torn down and rebuilt but as long as Moreno is the owner that would not produce different results.
I once thought that Marge Schott who owned the Reds was the worst owner in baseball history but Moreno is now exceeding her incompetence.
TrumboRedux
Trout isn’t overweight he is just huge.
Brian frigging Downing
Like Ron Jeremy huge?
TrumboRedux
That’s the bailiff from “Night Court” right?
Brian frigging Downing
No, he’s the hedgehog from all the best 90’s “adult films”
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Frank McCourt was the worst team owner in MLB not Marge Schott.
This one belongs to the Reds
For all her faults, at least Marge paid her players. The team was always in the top 5-10 payroll range. None of the owners since have really done that.
Of course, it was a different game then too.
Redwolves3
Loss of death saying Giants interested in Snell. Definitely means Zaidi will be used & Snell will sign with another team. And more Zaidi excuses.
Rsox
Will Arte break his mold and sign a Pitcher to an albatross contract instead of an over the hill bat?
Tune in tomorrow, same Bat time, same Bat channel…
Old York
Absolute embraasment for MLB that they gave Snell the Cy Young award.
The guy’s Forecasted Run Average (FRA) was 3.82 and kwERA was 3.22. In comparison, the guy who should have won it, Spencer Stryder, had a FRA of 3.15 and a kwERA of 1.89.
I hope the Giants & Angels don’t overpay for this guy as he has a career
FRA of 3.87 and kwERA of 3.15.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Among stats that actually count, Snell had 234 Ks, a 2.25 ERA, and a .181 BAA. 32 games started, 180 innings.
Also this:
twitter.com/OptaSTATS/status/1702180317572874241
“Last 20 starts for the
@Padres
‘ Blake Snell:
1.31 ERA
12.54 K/9
He’s the first pitcher in MLB history to have a sub-1.50 ERA with 12.50+ K/9 over a 20-start span in a single season.”
The dude’s Cy Young was legit.
Old York
Way to cherry pick data. Wow!
Informed Sportsball Discussion
You’re throwing out forecasted ERAs, but I’m cherry picking data?
Goodbye now.
Old York
Yes, because it’s more encompassing of what a pitcher controls. ERA doesn’t tell you anything about the pitcher.
outinleftfield
A pitcher’s job is to prevent runs. No one was better at that than Snell in 2023.
Expected ERA is nonsense. If you want to use only what is in a pitchers direct control, use FIP. Even that has to be tempered by how incredible some pitchers are with men on base.
Snell for example gave up just a .470 OPS with RISP. He didn’t give up many hits with a .152 BA, just 1 HR in 175 PA, and he cut his walk rate by 30%..
Old York
@outinleftfield
Expected ERA is much better as seeing how effective the pitcher is at controlling what they can control. FRA is stickier than SIERA, xFIP, FIP, xERA, or DRA, thus you can rely upon it much more.
Now, as for your example of 0.470 OPS with RISP, that’s a great example of cherry picking data. First, you’re picking a very specific situation and suggesting he’s so great at that situation, but what you’re ignoring is the fact that his defense played a part in saving runs for him. He had an RA9Def of 0.27, which converts to savings 6 earned runs, while Strider and the Braved defense saved only 2. So, Snell benefited greatly from a better defensive team than Strider did. And that’s not just data, San Diego was one of the top defensive teams in 2023 while the Braves were not close.
His HR% has been pretty consistent at about 2% for his career an this year as well so it doesn’t matter if you cherry picked a period of time where he only gave up 1 HR in a certain amount of PA.
BB% was actually higher this year (13%) than his career (10%), resulting in a 26% increase in BB%.
On Strider’s side, he had a BB% of 7% this year compared to this career of 8% while his HR% remained the same as Snell at 2%.
Anyway, if the Giants and Angels are going after Snell, just don’t overpay for the guy as he’s not the Cy Young guy that you think he is. Given that the Angels defense in 2023 had a negative RA9Def (-0.09) and Giants defense has a negative RA9Def (-0.08), I can see some regression coming for Snell, given how good San Diego’s defense was for him.
Anyway, let’s see how it plays out and whether I’m wrong or right at the end of 2024.
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Spencer Strider ate a spider….
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I’d certainly prefer Strider on my fantasy baseball team to Blake Snell.
RyÅnWKrol
What?
Eatdust666
L
Old York
@Eatdust666
I see someone doesn’t understand facts.
prov356
My prediction is Moreno won’t give Snell the years he wants so we will miss again.
iBleeedBlue
Dodgers’ll sign him for the 5 spot or LR.
kershawsgrandma22
I hope he signs with the Giants! I’d love to see him stuck living in SF long term
Pete'sView
No one is “stuck” living in San Francisco. It’s a beautiful city, one you’ve obviously never visited.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
Somewhere right now, David Stearns is sitting on his couch while eating potato chips, thinking about which guy who had a 6 ERA last year he is going to claim next for the rotation. We don’t need Cy Young award winners, we need guys like Andre Scrubb and Adrian Houser. Sitback, relax, and collect, the David Stearns way. Cohen should be in jail for insider trading and the way hes run the Mess. What does Stearns know about baseball? He probably watched a couple games as a kid on TV. If that makes you an expert than anyone can be an expert. Sleepy Stearns will strike hot again
JackStrawb
@IBleeedBlue That’s pretty funny.
Snell’s a terrible fit on an Angels team that’s one more bad contract from baseball purgatory.
They should wait for the Rendon Catastrophe to expire before they take on their next brutal overpay. Have they figured out yet that Trout’s their DH, or are we going to keep doing the over / under at April.30th for his first time on the DL?
As for the freaking Mets, “the Mets weren’t planning to pursue other top-tier free agents if they fell short in their bid for Yamamoto,”
Enjoy your ‘competitive’ team and your deceitful front office. Cohen and Stearns. Fred and Jeff. Never change, Mets. Never change.
towinagain
Of course absolutely no way for the Padres to be in on Snell.
Who the heck are the Padres going to sign?!
‘The farm is years away from being ready’
‘Free agents are too expensive’
‘Can’t sign anyone to long term deals’
Please do not deplee the farm to trade for back end starters, average players, bench depth on one year deals.
How to ruin a franchise 101.
outinleftfield
I may be wrong, but weren’t the Padres in the same exact situation after 2020? All the sportswriters said there was no way they could maintain the payroll and would have to cut it back to $100 million.
Then they traded for Darvish, Musgrove, and Snell and gave up more than half of their top 10 prospects. Guys like Patino and Mejia that we heard about today.
What is stopping them from doing the same now?
As far as I can tell, and again you are the Padres fan so tell me if I am wrong, but 14 of their top 20 prospects have the words AA, AAA or MLB next to their names as to where they will play in 2024. That seems like a huge percentage that are close to MLB ready. Certainly much better than the Angels farm system.
Or were you being sarcastic?
CardsFan57
Montgomery is the best option left on the market imo. Very steady and consistent. I’m sure the Yankees are thinking of bringing him back.
KHE
S T O P, playing on Peoples emotions. We all Know this is a charade and they have Zero chance of bringing in anyone else, period. Zaidi is a complete and utter Joke as a GM. All he does is Lowball everyone and they know it. Then he will turn around and try to tell us, he tried. No he didn’t try to do anything. So now he’ll go get some injured players or someone elses has beens and tell us here’s your team, now give us your money !! He needs to go, like yesterday !! Giants fire him before it’s too late.
dano62
If I’m Arte I’d focus on Imanaga and Montas…
jumps
The Dodgers have a chance to do something really funny here…….
Rightout
I hear the Dodgers want Snell 6 years 130 million…plus they will defer it all til 2050
JerseyShoreScore
Teams can’t choose to defer.
Snell would need to request deferments.
websoulsurfer
6/330? Sell is already expected to top $200 million easily.
register14
what about cj wilson? angels signed him to big free agent contract
Jean Matrac
I love this logic.
Teams interested in Ohtani: Dodgers, Giants, Cubs, Rangers, Angels, Mariners, Yankees, Padres, Mets, Jays.
Teams interested in Yamamoto: Dodgers, Giants, Jays, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox.
Results: Dodgers sign Both.
Conclusion: No FA wants to sign with San Francisco.
Pete'sView
Jean Matrac — That is as illogical a conclusion as any I’ve seen. Or are you being sarcastic?
GSWfanklay
Or maybe the two megastars from Japan wanted to be together and Ohtani wanted to stay in LA but switch to the better team.
GSWfanklay
That being said it stings as. Giants fan. I am sure next offseason they will posture up for Soto / Burnes/ ect… and probably lose out as well
GSWfanklay
The contract and the ghost of Redon plus Trout to SF for Lucrano Matos Whisenhunt Mckler
norcalblue
If Giants really believe “A Star” is the key to turning the corner, your proposal GSWfan contains the ingredients for a deal. Any team willing to take back a toxic asset like Rendon and offer authentic young talent for Trout should be taken seriously by Angels. I don’t really know if this mix of talent is enough; but good job thinking creatively!
Cap & Crunch
Both these teams should be at an advantage moving forward as far as the purses go. Lotta the top teams done spending for awhile and a couple more seem to be on pause
Gotta trust your internal staffers here, if you get the green light be aggressive,, a yellow light should breed extreme caution tho, both orgs can play a ton of hands the next 20 months and come out on top in a somewhat collapsed market
Brian frigging Downing
Awe, Joel p the woke snowflake melted and muted me. Hahahaha another win for the good guys.
Mustard Tiger
He probably retreated to his safe space.
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Joel has serious SJW issues & fancies himself as a smart commentator on everything. I suggested that he mute himself after he engaged me in a dozen posts.
This one belongs to the Reds
I noticed a certain team that should be pursuing him, or anyone solid and experienced for that matter, was missing again. Guess 88 million is the max payroll this year.
Of course, the Bally’s situation has more than half of baseball teams on the sidelines as the large markets clean up.
#NoBallsManfred
Yoki
Giants should put a 7 year / $250 million “take it or leave it” offer.
Overpay? Yes.
Can they afford it? Yes
Should they do it? Without a doubt. He may decline by year three, but having Snell and Logan Webb as their 1-2 would give the Giants a good chance to get to a Wild Card berth.
oldgfan
I wouldn’t go past 5/175.
If that don’t work go to trade market.
websoulsurfer
Who do the Giants have to trade that would not make the major league team weaker?
oldgfan
Bart, Beck, Wade, Ramos, Matos, Davis, more in the minors too.
websoulsurfer
Bart has no value. Any of the rest would impact the MLB team negatively.
Harrison and Luciano will be in the majors in 2024 so trading them makes the major league team weaker as well.
The rest of the farm system is weak other than Whisenhunt.
oldgfan
Your opinion.
I have one as well. Bart can be a decent backup. Not much offense but pretty good defensively. Change of scenery might do him good.
Just hoping they can match up with a team with need for outfield or pitching where SFG has a little depth.
Would try on Montgomery too but can’t get hopes up on that as Free Agency has not been successful so far.
websoulsurfer
If it was just opinion you would bring something to back up what you are trying to argue.
Bart is done. Negative WAR. 47 OPS+. Bad defense. Pitchers. Even his minor league numbers, .248 BA and .750 OPS in 60 games in Sacramento, were far below the PCL averages of .272 BA and .822 OPS. All that equals no value in trade unless it’s for someone else that has no trade value. A minor league reliever maybe. He might be a backup somewhere after he is DFA’d.
Trading any of the others off a major league squad that has no depth would hurt the major league team.
foppert2
They have 3 promising pitching prospects in Harrison, Whisenhunt and Black that are close to mlb ready. Could easily do away with one. They also have Beck and Winn who were better than serviceable in their first crack at it last year. In terms of position players, their two best ones are probably Arias and Eldridge. Early days for both, but both are reasonably highly rated.
They could also afford to trade a mlb outfielder. Payrolls considered, that could be Slater. If I’m not mistaken, one of of the best performing pinch hitters in the game and solid defender.
They have options that won’t weaken the mlb team.
oldgfan
Wasn’t trying to argue.
Believe in what you want. I’m pretty sure guys know better than both of us can put together a trade that helps
oldgfan
Thanks Fopp.
You showed the details I did not. Not saying Bart is s as centerpiece in any trade, but can be a toss in. I just hope we don’t chase after Imanaga. Looks to be a waste of time. He will probably go to big blue too. Really think we need another lefty though.
Pete'sView
And Black and McCray and Eldridge and Martin and Arias and Arteaga and Brown and . . .
Yoki
The farm is rich with pitching talent outside of Kyle Harrison.
Carson Wisenhunt like you mentioned. There’s also Mason Black, Keaton Winn, and Hayden Birdsong. Kai-Wei Teng showed good stuff closing the minors season as well.
HBRC1987
But the Giants can’t land free agents remember? Rodon, Gausman, DeSclafani, Wood, Cobb, Manaea, Stripling didn’t actually play there. It was all a hoax.
outinleftfield
Snell is not being signed by Arte Moreno. The last pitchers that he allowed the GM to sign to a contract longer than 3 years was CJ Wilson and Jered Weaver and the last season either of them were in an Angels uniform was 2015.
Zippy the Pinhead
If you’ve read every comment before this one, you have a serious problem with reality. Put the phone down and go outside.
oldgfan
It’s dark and there’s bears out there.
Captainmike1
So who do you get ?
The pitcher with an ERA around 2 or the pitcher with an ERA over 4 ?
Check his history, not consistently great except in his own mind.
Rishi
I could definitely see Angels doing it because it would be dumb. Giants would be odd. They are picky about who they sign and he is gonna probably be a regretful contract. They wait all this time to make a big splash for a streaky pitcher? Sounds desperate. I mean I wouldn’t sign this guy at the money he is gonna get if I were at gunpoint.
User 4223176798
The keyword here is pursuing.. I’m pursuing Julia Roberts. Wow. Use the phrase, Giants are actively negotiating with Snell and it’s a whole different ballgame. But I guess the Farhan kool-aid drinkers will use this fodder to put him on a pedestal.
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I’m pursuing Amy Acker in my dreams.
TrumboRedux
You piqued my interest so I had to google her…Yoowwwzeerrrss!!! 11/10
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You must see her in the series Person of Interest. I loved her character as Miss Groves aka Root.
TrumboRedux
You don’t gotta tell me twice! Done and done!
steelerbravenation
Only worse lol aid drinkers in sports than Farhan look aid drinkers are Mike Tomlin lol aid drinkers but both take a backseat to Trump look aid drinkers
oldgfan
Sounds like someone is a morning drinker of something?
steelerbravenation
Giants almost gotta come away with Snell & trade for Burnes & Adames. That would allow them to move Luciano to 3B. And next offseason pursue the Korean kid in San Diego to come play SS when Adames walks. His relationship with Lee is well documented.
SFG.1
They can’t lose Snell to the Angels. I can deal with then losing a player to the Dodgers, but the Angels hell no!
SFG.1
If Zaidi can’t sign Snell and lose him to the Angels, he has to be fired the next day! At that point, nothing is going to change unless someone else is sitting across the table negotiating these deals.
TrumboRedux
Halo’s will probably get Snell. They will finally break their 11 year trend of not signing any serious FA pitchers. 90% sure he is going to Anaheim.
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I really wanted the Angels to re-sign Ohtani but now that chapter is closed Arte needs to either sell the team or make better decisions moving forward. Cutting Rendon and letting Drury play 3B would be my first move. Sign Justin Turner & JD Martinez and trade for Corbin Burnes & Willy Adames. Zack Neto, Renigfo & Schanuel might get it done.
TrumboRedux
Can’t disagree with all that..
gbs42
Signing two DHs and trading for two players who will be free agents after next season would be “better decisions?” Those would be horrible decisions.
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Dirty Harry was the best thing San Francisco ever had & he was a fictional character. That said the Giants ought to have an official Dirty Harry Day at the ballpark.
AdamM
Hey if you don’t live in the Bay Area, you really shouldn’t be commenting.
Yes, there are issues with every city. San Francisco is one of the most beautiful areas of the country. It is so horrible, Buster Posey decided to move his family back to the area. Steph Curry lives in the area. I doubt any of the players live in the City. Beautiful ball park, Dodgers haven’t won anything legit (World Series) since 1988. Division Titles, mean nothing.
That;’s why the Yankees can boast, 27 world titles, Cardinals 11, Red Sox 9, A’s 9, Giants 8.. Top 5.
When Dodgers win 5 straight, then we can put them in top 5 and category with Yankees.
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Do you feel lucky???
WELL??
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Do you live in SF?
Who are you then to tell me I shouldn’t be commenting?
steelerbravenation
Giants screwed up last 2 years no hitter wants to go to that ballpark & lose. They needed to sign local boys Simein & Judge & their presence would attract more FA hitters. But Farhan wanted to low ball like the Giants are a in demand organization to go to.
I just don’t understand his logic he runs the team like a small market team but yet they charge some of the highest prices.
If I was a Giant fan I would be furious he is in charge of the organization & I would be furious that the owners are pinching Pennie’s but funneling money to the real estate project across the street.
It’s a shame it really is those fans deserve better.
urnuts
If you sign this guy you better add an additional quality Bullpen piece as he only pitches 4 or 5 innings most starts.
He will get more but I would only go 5 years $130 million. And this is over paying
carlos15
Snell’s been in the big leagues 8 seasons, his 2 Cy Young seasons he made 30+ starts and threw 180 innings. No other season saw him throw even 130 innings. He’s a great player but a big time gamble.
Bob Sacamano 310
Snell and Bellinger are going to be bad contracts fast
Teamspirit
Arte Moreno should sell the Angels. No one is going to take them serious anymore. Why would anyone want to play there? The organization is so inept, they couldn’t figure out how to win with Trout and Ohtani.
martras
I find it hard to believe Snell is going to get more than a couple tire kicks if his camp tries to stay on the $150MM+ position. I don’t believe there is a single GM who believes Snell is worth more than $125MM.
LIPSCARF
Won 2 cy youngs, was hands down the best pitcher in baseball last season and still has a good chunk of his prime left. The FA market is insane, he will get bare minimum $200MM.
SupremeBacon
It’s beautiful, being a Giants fan, and having more faith that a team like the Angels can pull off signing a big FA over us. Yeah, Lee was a good pick, but other than that, nada. Pathetic org.
LIPSCARF
Blake probably gets something like 8-9 years $250-275MM. Good for him! Hope he ends up with LA so he can pitch in Seattle more often. Great kid, any team will be lucky to have him.
619MetroFriars
Without Ohtani. Brandon Drury is now Angels team captain. The Halos are Brandon Drury’s team now.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Steve Adams: you stink at writing. “Too” should NEVER have a comma before it. I’m begging MLBTR to can this guy. So many more deserving writers out there.
websoulsurfer
PAY for the site, volunteer to do it, or STFU about it.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
You don’t pay for the site, so who are you to say that? Editing is also not something someone should be expected to do for free. It’s a job.
TribeFan88
I like the idea of the Angels signing Snell, but I’m still concerned about their bullpen and the lack of production they’ve received from Anthony Rendon.
teddyj
Giant’s 107 win season was a complete aberration. I still can’t believe that ragtag roster won that many games , they returned to form the next year
Basebombs
Snell makes zero sense for the Angels. They need an organizational rebuild and won’t be relevant until he’s 35.
jhomeslice
I don’t understand why the teams that were heavily interested in Yamamoto and missed out on him aren’t in on Snell. They were obviously interested in starting pitching, and while Yamamoto may have the better profile, he isn’t necessarily going to be THAT much better than Snell the next couple years at least. Snell did win the Cy this year. He hasn’t been a picture of health and consistency, and I can understand not wanting to overpay, but Snell is pretty good. Why wouldn’t the Yankees, Mets, and Phillies be very interested in Snell, for probably not much more than 1/2 the price tag of Yama? There isn’t much available as far as starting pitching with more upside than he has. And he will cost way, way less than Yamamoto.
Jean Matrac
Snell and Yamamoto are very different. YY is only 25, Snell is 31. YY could have 8-10 productive years while the expectation for Snell is half that. Also, YY was extensively scouted by a lot of teams. Scouts and teams don’t always agree on players, but there seems to be a consensus that YY is an exceptional talent. Not that Snell is subpar, but YY can be truly special.
The Mets are one of those team interested in YY, but apparently not Snell. The reason being they are not looking at 2024 to go all in. And they, like a lot of teams, can’t count on things not going south in 2025 either. But a team that had YY could reasonably count on years beyond the next couple.
Snell will be expensive, as was YY, but YY offers a better long term gamble for the money. I can see why some teams would be willing to spend big for YY, but be reluctant to do so for Snell.
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If he price is right and the length of contract is 3 years then the Angels should get Snell. They need him and a DH just for starters.
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Is Snell’s agent Boras? If it is Boras then a hard pass. ALL teams should just boycott Boras and his players. Then the players would find agents that have their interests not the agent’s best interest.