The Padres have expressed some interest in free agent righty Michael Lorenzen as they look to fill out their rotation, reports Jon Morosi of MLB Network. The 32-year-old Lorenzen is among the more notable free agent starting pitchers yet to sign this offseason.
Lorenzen is a free agent for the third consecutive offseason. The longtime Reds setup man hit the market two winters ago in search of an opportunity to move back to a rotation — the role in which he broke into the majors as a rookie. That led to a one-year, $6.75MM deal with the Angels that produced solid results but was cut short at 97 2/3 innings due to a shoulder strain. Lorenzen took another one-year deal last offseason, this time landing a $8.5MM guarantee from the Tigers. The end-of-season results look solid — 4.18 ERA, 17.8% strikeout rate, 7.5% walk rate — but also don’t necessarily tell the whole story of his season.
A strong first half (and a generally underwhelming Tigers roster) helped to both propel Lorenzen to his first All-Star Game and position him as a trade candidate who was in relatively strong demand. Lorenzen turned in a 3.80 ERA as a Tiger, soaking up 105 2/3 innings in 18 starts (5 2/3 frames per outing) while fanning 20% of opponents against a 6.5% walk rate. The Phillies eventually acquired him to help stabilize the rotation down the stretch, and in the early stages of his Philadelphia tenure the trade looked like a masterstroke.
Lorenzen’s Phillies debut was sensational. He tossed eight innings of two-run ball against a contending Marlins club, limiting the Fish to a pair of runs on six hits and a walk. One-upping that type of debut is no small feat, but he did so in spades, tossing a no-hitter against the Nationals in his second start. Lorenzen looked like an instant Phillies success, but things went downhill quickly thereafter.
Whether due to a career-high workload, some type of minor injury or a simple run of poor performance, Lorenzen wilted in such substantial fashion that the Phils eventually dropped him to the bullpen. In the five starts immediately following that 124-pitch no-hitter, Lorenzen allowed 26 runs (23 earned) on 37 hits and 11 walks with just 14 strikeouts in 26 innings. His first outing as a reliever for the Phils saw him serve up another four runs in just one-third of an inning. He recovered with four shutout innings over his final three relief appearances, but what looked like a breakout season in mid-August ended with a whimper.
Even with that wobbly finish, Lorenzen is a sensible target for a Padres team in need of solid innings and rotation depth. The right-hander built up to 153 innings in 2023, and while he may have faded down the stretch, that workload might also make him less likely to deal with any late-season fatigue in 2024. San Diego’s current rotation includes Joe Musgrove, Yu Darvish and Michael King, with a host of unknowns vying for the final two spots. Randy Vasquez, Jhony Brito, Pedro Avila, Matt Waldron, Glenn Otto and Jay Groome are among the options for the final two spots.
It’s a deep collection of arms, all of whom other than Groome have at least some MLB experience, but no one from that bunch has proven much as a starter. Even King, whom the Padres acquired from the Yankees in the Juan Soto blockbuster (alongside Vasquez and Brito) has never pitched a full big league season as a starter. An injury to Musgrove and/or Darvish — both of whom have spent time on the IL in recent seasons — would render the Padres heavily reliant on a cast of general question marks. Lorenzen has some questions himself, but he’s also pitched 250 2/3 innings of 4.20 ERA ball over the past two seasons. There’s little doubt he’d be a steadying presence.
The question for the Padres is one of payroll. San Diego was reportedly aiming to scale back payroll by as much as $50MM this offseason, which was the driving factor behind the Soto trade in the first place. They also swapped out an experienced but relatively expensive reliever (Scott Barlow) for a less-proven and lower-cost bullpen arm (Enyel De Los Santos) and have allowed Josh Hader, Seth Lugo, Michael Wacha and Nick Martinez to depart via free agency (with Blake Snell likely to follow). The Friars have spent some money, bringing in NPB reliever Yuki Matsui and KBO reliever Woo Suk Go on low-AAV multi-year deals, but the offseason has been more focused on subtracting big salaries than bolstering a win-now roster.
As things stand, the Padres’ payroll sits at a projected $156MM, with $212MM of luxury tax obligations, per Roster Resource. That’s a massive $100MM shy of their end-of-season 2023 payroll level, which ought to leave the Padres with some money to make modest additions between now and Opening Day. Lorenzen, who’s also drawn interest from the Orioles, makes as much sense as any fit on the market, but the Padres presumably have limited resources with which to work and holes in the outfield, on the bench and at designated hitter.
Motor City Beach Bum
If he pitches like he did in Detroit that would be a smart move.
JSC Cubbs
With any other manager than Melvin that win an extra 7 games last year just from winning half of those extra innings losses. Machado and Co. Tried to work past his decision making.
Yeah, they had bad luck too, but getting Melvin to leave was a huge win for the potential of this club.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I heard reports that Melvin delegated in-game decisions to his assistant manager/bench coach (esp during last two months). And pretty much checked himself out … it my have been fake news that I heard though.
foppert2
I would have thought an extra innings RISP hit or two would have won the extremely well paid Machado and Co. superstar lineup and extra game or 7.
Pete'sView
But that’s not how Lorenzen usually pitches. He’s awful and I hope the Padres sign him.
Motor City Beach Bum
Ummh no.
mlb fan
It wouldn’t surprise me if this new, cheaper version of the Padres outperforms the older, more expensive version of last year’s Padres. Of course that’s a fairly low bar.
truthlemonade
The Padres were incredibly unlucky last year. Maybe they can get kind of lucky this year.
Eatdust666
Yes they were, their run differential indicated that they should have had a record of 92-70, but they went 82-80, as they went 2-12 in extra innings and 9-23 in one run games, it also doesn’t help that they had 36 blown leads, their largest one being 5 runs, neither does the fact they had just 2 walk-off wins and 12 walk-off losses.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Sounds like they need a BP more.than anything else.
Mo Vaughns Jockstrap
Those stats don’t read as unlucky. They read as bad performance when it mattered most.
oldguyG
The starters not named Darvish or Musgrove got hammered the third time through the lineup along with bullpen in innings 5-8.
Zombie Bukowski
Now having a manager that is pulling in the same direction as the rest of the organization cannot be understated.
Simm
Baseball definitely have a level of luck to it. The fact that you can get a broken bat single that may be the difference in winning and losing is a great example.
Padres were likely unlucky and not clutch. These type of results are highly unlikely to be the same next year.
stymeedone
A player being “not clutch” is usually a career affliction.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
You make your own luck. Never use bad luck as an excuse.
That being said, I definitely think Padres will have a better record in 2024 than 2023. Wake up call will be received. This is a solid team in terms of hitting and fielding. I think Robert Suarez is up for the task of closing. If Darvish and Mushgrove are healthy, this team has a great chance for a wild card slot.
towinagain
Cheaper is all that matters to fans.
The Padres may win ‘The Cheaper’ Championship.
To heck with finishing with 72 wins as long as the Padres save money.
Who cares if that money is re-invested in player personell this year or next.
The bottom line determines success.
According to most fans on here, they’d be happy if the Padres spent among the bottom teams in MLB.
Savings, though doesn’t equate to spending in the future.
Often times calling for a lower payroll means cheering on profits for team ownership.
If you want to cheer on ownership, go right on ahead. I’d rather have championships.
Gwynning
tow- again, it’s all about reseting the CBT penalties. They have to stay under $237m to do this, which means there is limited funds left. They have $25m to spend FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR in order to accomplish the reset. Teams do this all the time (yes, even the Dodgers…) so at this point I really don’t understand why you whine about the Pads “going cheap” when there is a solid, logistical reason why.
die defunctorum
Agree. This is what makes me think it’s unlikely to happen based on current salaries for starting pitchers. I could see him wanting at least $10M. Then again since most of the even “adequate” free agent outfielders have already signed, maybe they would ummm… splurge… for Lorenzen. Perhaps they hold on to Kim until trade deadline, sign Lorenzen and Profar and give some of the prospects a chance to see what they can do. Is Profar still available?
Gwynning
Yes and yes.
Longtimecoming
Gwynning – it’s not sinking in. I tried again earlier in the chat post and yesterday and the day before ….
Gwynning
Well, we tried…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
towinagain
Comes down to a trust issue.
Having seen this team conduct numerous fire sales, can’t say that I necessarily adhere to the afformentioned payroll limit.
The Padrss haven’t demonstrated for an instance that they will even spend the ’25 million’.
This teams outlook:
Lineup-
Kim ss
Cronenworth 1b
Tatis rf
Machado 3b
Bogarts ss
Campusano c
Marsee lf
Azocar cf
Pauley dh
Rotation:
Darvish
Musgrove
King
Avilla
Waldron
Too many question marks. Avilla and Waldon, Darvish and Musgrove health,Campusano,Marsee,Azocar and Pauley, the pen all that
Longtimecoming
Die – Profar, Votto and Cooper are all very likely and available late adds.
Probably 10 mil gets all 3 of them and fills 1b, LF, DH and bench bat.
Simm
They are going add players. May not be the players you want but they will add. The most likely scenario is via trade.
You have got to be the most negative padres fan on here.
Longtimecoming
Tow, trading Soto – the other guys were FA and had control of their futures – is far from the fire sales which I believe the first one was in the 89-90 range which decimated the team.
1 trade of a player that wasn’t extending that brought back a lot of pitching prospects for 2024 isn’t end of the world.
We may even be happy for that trade of King is a real 3 and if either of the other guys make it to a solid 3 for next year.
towinagain
Not for a minute do I believe they will add 1 major league free agent.
What I do believe is that AJ will be forced to trade for serviceable players.
This will lead to overpaying for average major league players to fill out a roster.
Think Kluber for Ludwick type moves.
We will watch the next Kluber and Fried end up as stars somewhere else.
Longtimecoming
Tow – so you are against trading prospects for talent AND you are against not signing FA while developing prospects to play for cheap.
Wow – make sense out of that for us?
towinagain
No, no my friend.
I want them to sign FA as placeholders while the talent develops.
I want them to sign a starter, preferably 2.
I want them to sign Soler, Duval and JD Marinez.
What I think they will do is…
Not sign any free agents
Overpay in trades for average players to be placeholders.
The players traded will excel elsewhere.
Gwynning
C’mon tow, the glass is half full bruv. Top 5 payroll (sooo… they’re spending like you want), the line-up YOU posted looks GREAT (even factoring the 3 rookies, when realistically there might be 1… maybe) and I still see a Wild Card team. Let AJ navigate the reset and rounding-out of the roster… the fire sales of yesteryear are moot points; they weren’t even during AJ’s tenure… or this ownership’s for that matter. They will sign a Profar and/or Cooper, somebody will be cut by somebody else and claimed, a minor trade for an upstart CFer… just chill and let it work out. This squad is far from finalized, and the bullpen is solid af. Final chance to take my hand before you slip off the cliff…
towinagain
Ah my friend, too late for that. I appreciate your optimism but everyday another move is made there are less moves the Padres have at their disposal.
Gwynning
Believe me, I want JD Martinez at DH for 162+ as well, but I also understand the budget exists for a substantial reason. Keep in mind the team will want a buffer zone to be able to add mid-season and at the TDL. In other words, yes there is $25m to spend but don’t expect to see it all used before Opening Day. Well, fortunately the cliff you’re falling off is 20 feet straight into the ocean…
=)
Longtimecoming
You know it took Max about 5 years before he was at the level that justified your regret, right?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Gwynning talking people off the ledge …good man.
Simm
Not sure it worked…pretty sure TOW has permanent damage
stymeedone
Why do you keep wishing for Profar? Were you disappointed at Christmas a lot as a child?
Longtimecoming
Big difference between wishing for Profar and believing that he is just the guy that is in line for LF.
Right now, there are only 2 OFers on the 40 – 1 of those is Azocar.
Of all the available FA options, the need to fill some SP for most of that cash available, Profar is just a very reasonable option for AJ to be considering is all.
OldSaltUSN
I dunno, guys, mabe @towinagin is a “bot”. Seems like he posts the same kind of stuff each and every time he’s on the forum.
I acknowledge his concerns. I disagree with his assessment of the Padres club. The 2024 season will be pretty tough, unless some of the bet’s that AJP is making, pay off, like Wacha and Lugo did.
Something was wrong with last year’s team. I won’t crap all over Melvin, but he WAS the manager. I won’t put it all on Soto, or Machado, or any other single person. Teams win together, and they lose together, and last year’s team, just didn’t have it. I hope Schildt and the new staff can pull these guys together. However, if they don’t find about 3 servicable starters, the new bullpen guys don’t perform, and they can’t find two servicable outfielders (CF would be a plus), they probably won’t be competitive.
Just like 2/3’s of the rest of the MLB.
With a little more luck, the 2024 Pads should be able to make it to the playoffs (due mostly to the enlarged playoff format).
So, yeah, everything that TIA is saying, has some merit. However, telling us all of that, EVERY time he posts, and pronoucing his judgment that the Padres organization is fatally flawed (I guess due to AJP, I dunno ..) is over the top.
ckc12537
The Astros really need to sign another SP. There are too many question marks in the rotation. Will you get good Javier or 2023 Javier? Will Verlander stay healthy? Can Valdez overcome his triggers? Can Garcia/LMJ return, and if they do, will they stay healthy? Can Hunter Brown improve from a lackluster 2023 season?
stymeedone
You could question every major league pitcher. And it seems you are.
ckc12537
Well because the Astros 2024 are looking like the 2023 postseason Dodgers.
James Midway
I would like this. Loren zen would be a good 4-5 guy. Unless Groome did something wild in the off-season, I don’t think he is a viable option. I like Avila, I would be interested to see what he can do with some more big league starts.
Gwynning
Let’s hope to not use Groome and wild in the same sentence ever again! Groome would be an excellent option for the 5 spot if he can limit his walks in ST. Just a hunch…
Longtimecoming
So funny with Groome – I watched him in ST and he was really effective and battled to the end for 5 spot / long man. Then the season started.
I like the idea of a Junis/Lorenzen/Cueto (any 2) for the 4/5 spots. SD has a LOT of options to fight for the 6th spot so surely 1 will hit.
Brew’88
haha Groome does wild thing
Longtimecoming
He has a very very very hot wife! Didn’t mind sitting next to her on the bleachers during a start at Peoria at all!!! Just looking thanks (my wife was with me too)!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
LOL !! Why do baseball players tend to have the most attractive wives??? One of life’s mysteries I guess.
Brew88
U misspelled pretend
Gwynning
Let’s go Lorenzen! Would love to have him in SD. Maybe Yu can even teach him a new grip/pitch!
oldgfan
Ya maybe the football slider. Blah blah center grip. Blah blah stiff wrist, etc.
Brew’88
need LHP SP though
Gwynning
Brew- Groome might be more than bridesmaid…?
Brew’88
Unless he does something unwild in off-season he’s Snell without an out pitch
Gwynning
9.2 K/9 is fine, it’s the 7.5 BB/9 that can’t ever happen again!
>.<
Lets Go DBacks
And if not, dude was a decent hitter as well when we still had the pitcher hitting in the NL.
Gwynning
Lo can rake, for shizzle
Americanentropy
Can’t believe there is not a better internal option.
Longtimecoming
For 25 there are a lot of better options. Not really for 24. Similar to 23 where it was Wacha / Martinez / Lugo – all question marks for starting spots. They all just happened to hit it for a really awesome back of rotation mix.
HEHEHATE
Could have kept Martinez instead. Just Saying.
Wire to wire 2024
No take backs
Longtimecoming
He was a FA – not ours to “keep”. Players have choices too.
Americanentropy
Lorenzen is a back of the rotation guy who will command a lot of cash. Not sure his presence when you consider his contract is a positive difference maker.
Heels On The Field
If you’re not sure that your team’s success is all about your owner then study San Diego. The Padres share uniform colors with the Pirates and for most of their history payrolls as well. The death of their first owner who wanted the Padres to win destroyed them.
User 4095290658
Black versus brown/blue. Are you color blind?
Heels On The Field
Black and gold. Historic colors for both the Padres and Pirates.
User 4095290658
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Longtimecoming
I’ve been a Steelers fan since early 70’s when I was a kid and a Padres fan since 1988 when I moved to SD with USN.
So, I consider myself rather expertish here –
padres don’t have Black.
FanDan
Probably a Preller special coming. 10 years, $250 million. I would give this guy a minor league contract with an invite to camp. Not worth your time.
Motor City Beach Bum
I’d suggest uou look at his stats before the trade last year. He was pitching like a #3 or solid 4 starter. Problem was he’d never really pitched that much in his career prior to that. I think the workload took its toll later in the year.
Gwynning
I’d pin it down even further Bum and say he was spent after the 120-something pitches in his no-no… yeah, no-hitter in the Bigs last year and “not worth (our) time. Sure Dan.
I.M. Insane
.290 with 4 homers in 31 at bats in 2018. Combination 5th starter, middle-inning reliever and pinch hitter. You get three players for the price of one.
LambchoP
Twins could use him.
OldSaltUSN
I think Ruben Niebla will be Schildt’s secret weapon, for 2024. Niebla has the track record, which is why AJP (that nut! right?) brought him in. He was effective in creating perhaps the #2 staff in the majors, last year, and AJP is giving him a bunch of raw material, to do it again.
The Pads may not have the #1 or #2 pitching staff next year, but they shouldn’t need it, either. A “good” staff, and some outfield help, added to their current core, should be enough to get them to the playoffs.
Lorenzen will be a different pitcher, a BETTER pitcher, working for Niebla. For the 2024 Padres season, in Ruben Niebla, I trust.
CrikesAlready
Does he play shortstop?