The Cardinals are set to turn shortstop over to rookie Masyn Winn. The 21-year-old debuted late last season and is still set for the starting job despite hitting .172/.230/.238 in his first 37 big league games. That’ll push last year’s Opening Day shortstop Tommy Edman to center field on most days.
Edman is delayed in camp after undergoing an arthroscopic procedure on his right wrist. While he is confident he’ll be ready by Opening Day, manager Oli Marmol acknowledged yesterday that the Cards are considering various options to back Winn up (link via Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch).
That includes evaluating options outside the organization. Goold writes that St. Louis has considered adding a depth shortstop. It’s not clear precisely which players they might target, although each of Nick Ahmed, Elvis Andrus and Brandon Crawford remain available via free agency.
All three would be limited to either minor league or low-base MLB offers. Ahmed, 34 next month, was released by the Diamondbacks last September after a 10-year run in Arizona. The two-time Gold Glove winner has continued to post good, albeit no longer elite, defensive grades as he has gotten into his mid-30s. His already subpar offensive numbers dropped off last season, as he hit .212/.257/.303 through 210 plate appearances.
Andrus, 35, appeared in 112 games for the White Sox a year ago. That included 43 starts and 404 innings at shortstop. He hit .251/.304/.358 over 406 plate appearances. Andrus has typically posted solid defensive marks throughout his career. His numbers have predictably tailed off as he’s gotten into his 30s, but both Defensive Runs Saved and Statcast’s Outs Above Average pegged him as an average defender in nearly 500 second base innings last season. Statcast rated him slightly above average at shortstop, while DRS had him a bit below par there.
There was an even sharper divide in the defensive metrics on Crawford’s work last year. Statcast rated him as four runs better than average over 725 2/3 innings. DRS, on the other hand, tagged him with a grisly -14 runs that’d make him one of the sport’s worst defensive shortstops. Crawford’s bat has fallen off since his 2021 resurgence. He hit .194/.273/.314 over 320 plate appearances last year. Jon Heyman of the New York Post wrote last night that the career-long Giant has received some interest but could consider retirement if he doesn’t find the right fit.
Beyond that trio, the Cards could look to utility possibilities. Enrique Hernández is miscast as a regular option at shortstop but can play there in a pinch in addition to work at second base and any outfield spot. He is reportedly nearing a decision on his next destination. Harold Castro is a multi-positional infielder with some shortstop experience who remains unsigned. Players like Kevin Newman (Diamondbacks) and José Iglesias (Mets) are on minor league deals with other teams and could come available later in the spring if they don’t make the roster with their current club.
If the Cards do make an acquisition, it isn’t likely to be anyone who’d seriously cut into Winn’s playing time. Goold writes that St. Louis didn’t show any interest in Tim Anderson before his $5MM agreement with the Marlins because they’re not looking for an everyday player. Should the Cards stick with their in-house group, Edman would remain the backup at shortstop, with Dylan Carlson stepping into center field between Lars Nootbaar and Jordan Walker on days when Winn needs a break. Brendan Donovan is a bat-first player who is better suited at second base, as is depth infielder José Fermín.
Just sign Montgomery you cowards
The fact that the Cards are looking so closely at Thompson and Liberatore negates that thought, however sound it is.
sean-11; maybe not so much cowards as
Tight A%*€*?
Courage doesn’t allow teams to spend money they don’t have.
They have money
I totally agree get her done uncle mo
I totally agree too. If they sign Monty, they go from a much improved team to a real contender.
“Much improved” by adding over-the-hill starters and turning SS over to a weak-stick prospect? Ha.
Maybe not “much improved” but definitely improved over last year’s trainwreck. Guaranteed.
I’ll take that bet. This team is trending in the wrong direction.
At the very least, the team shouldn’t be trending in the wrong direction, as they should at least be better that last year’s trainwreck.
Sure, but with what money?
I don’t disagree at all with the need for a TOR SP, but was Monty and Flaherty the ones who privately called out Willson and were the reason we needed to reset the clubhouse? I wonder in Monty was a bad clubhouse fit and they have moved on.
I’ve read that O’Neill and Flaherty were the mainstays of the young group of players that questioned the veterans (Goldie and Arenado) that allegedly fractured the clubhouse last year. First I’ve heard of Montgomery being a part of that gang. Interesting…
I have no Idea why this team thinks Edman is a better Center fielder than Carlson. He is more valuable at shortstop and Winn is better to trade now before he gets exposed
I mean, he IS a better center fielder than Carlson though.
Tommy is better than Carlson in just about every way possible (imo). Carlson is just another filler. Tommy is my modern version of Mr. Baseball. I do think Carlson stands a fair chance of rebounding better than he’s shown here with a different organization, though. He looks to me like just another California kid who realized playing in Missouri for StL is not all it’s cracked up to be. I do wonder about Winn, whether or not his bat will ever catch up with his defense.. 2024 is a very important season for him.
Flaherty and Carlson would’ve made a nice package to ship somewhere else.
I see Winn as an early Ozzie Smith. His defense at shortstop is more important than his bat, especially with our ground ball-inducing starting pitching,
Can he hit a consistent .250 like Ozzie did? That remains to be seen. If Winn can, then whatever he contributes offensively is gravy.
@ meangrean… I’m not knocking Winn at all, I’m very happy to have him, for now. He plays a position where defense is supposed to be the primary focus. Everything about my feelings from this point forward is dependent on how much he helps the team, and we already know his D plays at the Big league level, so… let’s just see what we get after 2-3 seasons of growth/development. I try to give everybody a fair chance, they fought and climbed to get there.
Understood completely. I HOPE the Cardinal braintrust knows what they are doing. Sometimes I question that. 😉
Why do you think Masyn Winn is a bad choice for SS? I like his defense at 2B but he was fast tracked so it’s hard to tell by just numbers.
Garry, I think the concern is his bat, but I believe Masyn will adjust as he gets comfortable defensively at the MLB level. He’s young and has shown hitting ability in the minors.
I don’t know why anyone thinks Carlson should even be our 4th OF this season. Dude has just gotten worse each year.
Amen, kremer!! Carlson is cancerous. Another California pouter.
Hence why he’s a back-up and not a starter.
Because Carlson is still a very good defender and can at least hit lefties. At worst, he’s still a good short-side platoon player.
We’ll just have to see if his offensive production, or lack of, nullifies his slightly plus (imo) defensive skills. I can’t speak for anyone else, but our club needs runs from someone (Goldschmidt and Arenado are older and somewhat regressing), so I expect substantial contributions from the OF, particularly RF and LF. I don’t think people said Dylan is a bad player, but other guys deserve a shot, too, if Carlson cannot provide the kind of offensive production the team needs to compete consistently. If Dylan proves his doubters wrong, it’s a win-win for him and our club, so I really doubt there’s anyone who cares about the team wanting him to perform poorly.
Are we going to act like body language doesn’t mean anything in the dugout and clubhouse? That’s why I said I THINK he is cancerous – to the cohesion of the team. I see a dude doubting himself more and more each season. I’m just guessing here, but it seems to me he got caught up in his own hype years ago, especially after a solid rookie season showing. He’s a good guy to have around as the 4th OF, but only when he is comfortable with his role and general clubhouse chemistry. Heck, this is just my opinion. As long as he is here, I wish him the best, I just don’t have much hope in the guy.
He gained some weight/muscle to actually hit the ball like a man who is a professional, but it didn’t help at all.. when is enough enough, when his cheaper years are over?
Edman is a Gold Glove 2nd baseman.
Plays an above average SS and CF.
However—- If Victor Scott is what they say he is on defense—- look at all the runs saved he brings to centerfield. Winn is quick as a cat at short. He just needs to back off his bullet arm for accuracy.
Look at the top class Gold Glove Defense the Cards will have available with this Gold Glove infield line up;
Duncan. DH & Utility man in OF & IF
Nootbar. LF
Goldschmidt 1B
Arenado. 3B
Contreras. C
Walker. RF
Edman. 2B
Winn. SS
Scott. CF
(Gorman. DH & 2B &3B
Dizzy, here’s my lineup/defensive alignment:
Noot – LF
Donovan – 2B
Goldie – 1B
Arenado – 3B
Contreras – C
Gorman – DH
Walker – RF
Edman – CF
Winn – SS
Here’s an alternate lineup when Contreras is DH:
Noot – LF
Edman – SS
Goldie – 1B
Arenado – 3B
Gorman – 2B
Contreras – DH
Donovan – RF
Herrera – C
Carlson – CF
It is really nice to have options and positional depth.
I don’t understand why so many fans seem to be against shifting Tommy to CF as long as he is comfortable with the transition. He is an excellent athlete who deserves the chance to showcase his versatility more than he already has, which just adds more money in his bank account eventually. Some players had to shift around to make room for others, it is what it is. I’ll take Tommy is CF over Carlson any day of the week, as long as he is healthy.
It’s amusing sometimes to see certain Cardinals fans act like Edman is this great baseball player that must be kept at all costs. SMH
Fans of every team does the same with certain players.
He is a great baseball player for sure. Absolutely worth keeping, not at ALL costs, but unless blown away by an offer.
Shake your jealous head all you’d like.
Because Edman can actually righties decently (unlike Carlson), and Winn is still a top prospect despite doing nothing with the bat in what was just his first taste of the Majors.
Any of the 3 names(Ahmed,Crawford,Andrus) could play a solid defensive shortstop. I agree there is a need to pick someone up but this player isn’t going to play much at all. If everyone was healthy this would be a AAA guy but everyone is rarely healthy and Winn has to figure out how to hit. If Winns OPS is under 600 in June he might be back in AAA.
Gee, if ever there was an argument for someone to sign with your favorite team, its the thought of being able to be stashed at AAA, just in case. Wouldn’t surprise me to see a lack of interest from your 3 targets, Andrus, Ahmed, and Crawford.
The lack of interest is from other teams that’s why those 3 are currently unemployed. If they would rather retire so be it but if they want a shot this might he the best they will get. Perhaps you didn’t read the article but Edman is banged up he says he will be ready for opening day but he may not. And Winn hasn’t proven he can hot big league pitching.
So then they just move Edman to SS and play Carlson full-time in CF until Winn is ready.
Yeah they could do that but then we would need a backup shortstop so it makes sense to pick one of these guys up assuming they still want to play ball.
Derrick Goold is a hype man at best. They should be looking for CF depth. Tommy is plenty capable of handling SS. Mo is a moron. I just can’t say it enough. Mo is a moron. He’s ruining a young, talented, everyday lineup. Moron.
I think it doesn’t matter who the Cards put on the field. They have no chance of a winning season as long as Oliver Marmol is in the dugout. He’s the worst manager after Allan Trammel.
Maybe the Red Birds and the Red Sox should trade Managers?
The Cards would be better off.
Garry, no sir! You may NOT just steal Aaron Boone’s Worst Manager Award and gift it to Marmol (although, I think he may actually be worse than Boone, honestly).
Boone’s been saddled with a lot of injury. I think the Yankees will surprise this year.
I hope so, man. The injury bug did ravage the Yanks roster, but Boone has made some terrible decisions. He and Marmol remind me a lot of each other.
The pitching reminds me of the 05 ChiSox. Not flashy but complimentary to each other. Again, if healthy. Rizzo, Stanton and LeMahieu are aging but the rest of the position players are young. I’d like to see a top-of-the-order type spark vs the station-to-station type of the past few years.
What a ridiculous comment!
First off, Derrick Goold will be inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame one day. He’s very good at his job. Every baseball fan would be lucky to have a guy like Derrick covering their team.
Secondly, they have a former starter (Carlson) as the current backup. They also have THREE starting centerfielders in Memphis (Siani, Antico, Scott) who could all step in and play above average defense right away. Victor Scott profiles as the future starter and he only needs another half-year of seasoning. FOUR GUYS! This is the exact opposite of needing centerfield depth!
I have been reading about Cardinals baseball for a long time and DG says a lot, but nothing of substance. His question and answer sessions aren’t even worth reading. I won’t say he is over rated but he just doesn’t hit me with anything I couldn’t put together on my own.
I think Don was saying they need MLB-ready CF depth, not organizational depth in the minors. I could be wrong but that’s just how I read it.
I also agree with Don that SS is (arguably) a more valuable position for Edman. I think defensive CFers are more obtainable than a good SS like Edman. His versatility is incredibly valuable, but that doesn’t negate the fact that a team should place its best SS at SS.
Just out of curiosity, if Goold is correct in Edman playing CF, why not grab someone like Nick Ahmed who would be reasonably priced and has excellent defense at SS?
OTOH, if they keep Edman at SS, what about grabbing someone like Michael Taylor for CF? They shouldn’t be too pricey for the Cards I wouldn’t think (even considering the Bally’s stuff going on).
Nonetheless, I hope to see the Cards rebound this season despite Marmol’s management.
YC
“the fact that a team should place its best SS at SS.”
That’s not a fact
Say you have a player who is a 5 WAR SS
They are also a 3 WAR CF
Your other CF option is replacement level and your other SS is 3 WAR
Why should your best SS option play SS and not CF?
That’s a lot of statistical gymnastics to get to the point of saying he can earn more WAR at CF; but that isn’t typically how it works. There are exceptions of course, but I don’t think this is one of them.
So, all things being equal, he should play SS. But using your example, what if the replacement CF is a 4 WAR guy, so together they would make 7 WAR. But, the replacement SS is only a 1 WAR guy, so together they would make 6. He should still play at SS.
Masyn Winn is going to start at shortstop. They’re not looking for a starter. They *might* be looking for a backup, so Edman can focus on centerfield.
That being said, Edman is not going to start in center long. Victor Scott will be in center next year and Edman will be traded or become the RH-hitting utility guy.
Hell, I wouldn’t even say Edman is a lock in center right now. He’s recovering from arm surgery and Carlson could always bounce back and take the job from him.
All this backup shortstop talk is nonsense. Edman can go back and forth.
YC
The point is, that the thing you started as s universal truth, is not a universal truth
There best SS does not always need to play SS
Uh, it IS a “universal truth.” Perhaps you mean to say I implied it was a universal absolute? If so, no I did not.
YC
It’s not a universal truth – because it’s false
There are circumstances where playing your best SS at another position makes sense
@eatoncuto Technically, Edman is a switch-hitter, but otherwise I agree with everything you typed.
The terms “should,” in conjunction with the sentence fragment containing “arguably the best position for Edman,” demonstrates that I left room for the potential exceptions.
It doesn’t not change the general rule (or truth) that a team’s best SS should play there.
CF depth?
They have Carlson as the fourth outfielder and back-up CF and the team’s CF future in Victor Scott II in Memphis.
The team has plenty of CF depth.
Do you even watch this team?
Any of those 3 shortstops (Ahmed, Crawford or Andrus) make a whole lot more sense than Matt Carpenter does. Nice job, Mo.
Carpenter is going to compete with Burleson and Baker for wha should he 2 roles out of those 2 guys. This shortstop would be for Memphis except if Edman is hurt which he might be and if Winn doesn’t start to hit.
This is will impact Luken Baker and Luken Baker’s plate appearances. And we can’t have that.
Which still means that none of them make sense. SS will be another hole this year.
Carpenter was brought in on request of Goldschmidt, who apparently didn’t have the balls to stand up to O’Neill and his “posse” last year that allegedly fractured the clubhouse. I guess Carpenter will be the “bad cop” to keep the young turks at bay.
Like it or not, Carpenter is on the team’s 26-man roster.
There’s more issues then in that clubhouse if they have to waste a spot on the 26-man for a bully
Completely agreed.
Carp should grow out his mustache carry around a badge and be the accountability police in the clubhouse… lol
I hated the signing of Carpenter. Now he’s here and fills the team quota of over the hill infielders. Saggese and Donovan are fine at 3 and 4 on the shortstop depth chart.
The only way signing another aging vet makes sense is if some of the middle infielders are on the trade block.
Of all the currently available options I’d have to go with Castro. Crawford, Andrus, and Ahmed are all gassed.
I would choose Castro as well.
How about signing Tommy Pham for added OF depth leaving Edman available to play SS?
Agree keeping Edman at short. The division is weak. Up for grabs. I think the brass sees this year as an opportunity to give younger guys like Edman plenty of playing time to develop and, in FO’s mind, signed just enough pitching off season to win the division.
This makes too much sense. Shame on you.
Cheese, Winn deserves a decent chance before you write him off. If Winn does struggle again, Edman will still be available to move back to SS at that point.
Meanwhile, someone like Pham is unneeded as long as they have Carlson as well as good OF depth in AAA.
When we see the marked difference in defensive evaluation for Crawford with those two stats we see the truth that many don’t acknowledge: the evaluation of defense is highly questionable (at least with many stats). Teams don’t buy the value WAR assigns to defensive specialists. Time and time again we see them not get starting roles or sign for little money. Now obviously Simmons or Andruw Jones is different because even if the valuation is off the value is still high. But most really good fielders without a bat tool are not highly valued even if war assigns them 2-4 wins. Unless you are IKF and the blue jays (but even in that case if a win we’re supposedly worth at least 5 mil he should get 10-15 mil/year or so as a full time 3b.
WAR assumes that players are valued solely by how it improves the team on the field. Teams are businesses. The goal is to sell. A solid defensive player does not put butts in the seats or sell jerseys. If the player can hit, he will sell tickets. Now, A winning team can also sell tickets, but not every team can be a top contender for the grand prize. More accurate value would come from a Sales Above Replacement (SAR) which would factor in not only the effect of a player on team performance, but also the effect at team box office. Defense only players, like DeJong, will help the CWS win more games than TA did last year, but just try selling his jersey. Soto, who puts up great fantasy league stats, but is lacking defensively, will sell ticket, jerseys and anything they can put his name on for NYY. It doesn’t matter if he helps them win the top prize. Customers have the perception that is needed about the player, and that makes him more valuable than he otherwise would be.
Elvis is the most unsexy shortstop on the planet but if you really need one he is usually able to hold down the fort. The other two are higher risk, tho one could dream on Crawford (if he’s even your first go to backup plan tho that’s probably not good).
Cards could trade for Espinal of the Blue Jays to back up everyone in the infield. Jays have Clement to backup at short, and many players who can play around the infield.
The Cardinals already have Donovan for that role, plus he can also play corner outfield.
“Cards looking for SS depth”
Me: trade for Espinal
Lanidrac: hey Donovan can fill the role of not playing shortstop since he doesn’t and really can’t, but I am going to comment anyway.
Translation: Donovan is not the backup SS, otherwise this article wouldn’t be necessary, much like your comment.
I would look for the best defensive SS who would sign for a minor league deal.
There have been talks of a Shane Bieber and either Gabe Arias or Bryan Rocchio , both SS, to solve the situation. The Guardians want an everyday RH OF.
Watch for Lars Nootbaar
The Cardinals are not trading Lars Lootbar.
Maybe the Cards could interest Cleveland in Carlson and Graceffo for Bieber and a SS.
Sign Kee-Kay. Then Alex Cora jumps ship to join the Cardinals, the Red Sox get a real manager at (probably) less money and everyone’s happy.
Have you seen Gibson and Lynn pitch the last two years? Geez! Lynn’s knees are shot and Gibson is a high 4.00 ERA. Total waste of money.
Two years ago, Lynn was pretty good, and no one has said his knees are shot.
Gibson generally posts ERAs in the low 4’s, not the high 4’s.
the cards are a clown show
Cards can have Trevor Story – only $95 million left on his contract! Signing a Coors field hitter is always a great idea.
They did alright with Holliday and Arenado.
And Larry Walker
Out of that lot they all sound tempting in a back up veteran leadership role. I’d go with Crawford with his playoff experience and knowing the division well. How time flies that were talking about Crawford as a veteran presence off the bench.
Anthony Franco, A bit confused why you wrote this article about filling a backup hole at Shortstop after the Cardinals signed former Cardinal Matt Carpenter to fill this very role.
haha, that’s right!!
MLBTR
“The Cardinals are set to turn shortstop over to rookie Masyn Winn. The 21-year-old debuted late last season and is still set for the starting job despite hitting .172/.230/.238 in his first 37 big league games.”
OOF
No wonder your readership is so misinformed at times
Fangraphs has Winn projected for an 87 wRC+ and 2.0 WAR in 2024
I don’t see the need to bring in anyone. Edman can fill in at SS and Carlson at CF. Edman and Donovan’s multiple positional play really allows the Cardinals to keep things internal.
They are clearly worried about Tommy’s wrist. We are one bad break away from only having Jose Fermin playing SS.
The Cardinals have now revealed that Donovan hasn’t been cleared to play shortstop after his shoulder surgery last August. Between that and Edman’s wrist not healing as quickly as expected, the Crawford signing now makes sense.
You could argue that using Crawford instead of Fermin for two or three games over the first couple weeks of the season isn’t worth Crawford’s salary plus the roster crunch, but here we are.
Cards not lookin very hard. A Rosario & T Anderson just got signed. Cheap!
Anderson isn’t signing as a backup SS & the Cardinals aren’t looking to pay $5M for a backup SS. Rosario is garbage defensively.
If Fermin has options and you have someone you aren’t afraid to DFA Ahmed does make some sence.
It may not be they aren’t looking hard more than it is the guys need to want to join. They are being asked to come to a place that has their future starter in place. A backup behind him in edman and a welcome spot as our AAA ss.
So you want these veterans who have accumulated decent salary over the years to play near the league minimum and bud around as minor leaguer just in case Tommy edman isn’t ready in time. So if he is signing on as the back ups back up and because we have a wasted spot for leadership on the mlb roster in matt carpenter will need to be relegated to aaa
So he comes here in hopes that edman isn’t ready but still is down in the minors while Winn plays everyday and Donovan handles the rare off day or emergency duty. And edman is back healthy a couple weeks into the season anyway.
No veteran is signing up for a 2 week emergency aaa back up spot.
I think mondesi is the best option. He has a higher ceiling to be more then just a fill in. He actually could use the time in aaa as an opportunity to show where he is at with his game and health.
The true leadership of Matt carpenter is costing a Brandon Crawford or Elvis andrus from coming here.
So they only need depth in Spring Training while Edman recovers, right? They have that with Donovan and Fermin. It’s not like the SS actually needs a good glove during Spring Training.
As for the regular season, Edman will be the backup (with Carlson as his backup in CF), while Donovan is perfectly capable of playing the position on a limited basis, as well. I don’t see the issue unless a new major injury occurs to either Winn or Edman.
They need depth if Edman isn’t ready on opening day and/or Winn is injured/can’t hit. Donovan & Fermin could play there for A DAY, not two weeks to start the season.
They already have that depth. As I said, the one out of Edman and Winn who is available starts at SS most of the time (with Carlson starting in CF if Edman is moved to SS), and Donovan fills in as needed. If there’s an injury that requires an IL stint, the same substitutions apply, while someone like Fermin can be called up as bench depth.
Also, Donovan is perfectly capable of handling SS for a couple weeks if necessary.
Even with his shoulder at full strength (it isn’t), Donovan is not a shortstop and should not be playing there for two weeks. You’re overrating his defensive ability.
And no, they do not have that depth or they wouldn’t be looking to add to it.
Edman’s shoulder is expected be at full strength by Opening Day when they would actually need that depth. Even if it isn’t, then Carlson gets another chance in CF, Donovan backs up Winn at SS, and either Fermin or Saggae makes the team as extra depth until Edman is ready.
No, you’re underrating Donovan’s defensive ability. While his Gold Glove was only due to a quirk in the voting rules, he still provides only a little below average defense at every position his plays, including shortstop. Combined with his above average offense, he makes for a perfectly acceptable third string backup.
Except maybe at catcher, just because someone can’t play average defense at a position doesn’t necessarily mean he’s unplayable there on a semi-regular or even regular basis.
Sorry bud, there’s a reason why he’s never played more than a handful of games there at any professional level. A ‘slightly’ below average 2B translates to a WELL below average SS. Like many other Cardinals fans, you have scrappy white guy syndrome – he can’t do everything.
Often, yes (or at least significantly below average), but Donovan is an exception. He hasn’t played that many games at SS simply because he does play 6 different positions (+ DH), and because the Cardinals have had better defensive shortstops who have played there most of the time between DeJong, Edman, and Winn. Even if his defense at SS was well below average, he’s still playable enough there that his offense makes up for it. He’s a backup, certainly, but still a very effective one.
HOWEVER, the Cardinals’ website has now revealed the real reason Donovan isn’t being used as the backup SS. He has yet to be cleared to play SS after his shoulder surgery last August. Now it all makes sense!
Oh wow, that’s an amazing revelation three days after I wrote “Even with his shoulder at full strength (it isn’t), Donovan is not a shortstop…”
Donovan hasn’t been playing shortstop because he’s not a shortstop. He would have been their best offensive option there for the last two years, so if he could hold his own at the position, that is where he would have played.
This has been fun, but basically everything you say is wrong.
They love to sign old guys who used to play for the Cardinals, Pete Kozma better check his voicemail.
Donovan is “an at bat first player?” So much for the Gold Glove
That Gold Glove was only due to a quirk in the voting rules and was robbed from either Edman himself or Varsho. In reality, Donovan’s fielding is a little below average. However, being able to do that at 6 different positions without being a bad fielder at any of them is also pretty valuable
So at what point does Yadi become manager? I say before AS break