In the wake of renewed criticism of the A’s plans to construct their new ballpark on the Vegas strip, Rob Manfred restated his hope the team will stay on schedule. The franchise has indicated they expect to begin construction on the park next year and will have the field ready for the start of the 2028 season.
“I would be disappointed if we didn’t open that stadium, Opening Day, 2028,” the commissioner told reporters from this week’s owners’ meetings in Orlando (relayed by Jesse Rogers of ESPN). “In terms of an interim home, I’m comfortable with where they are in the process.”
The A’s lease at the Oakland Coliseum expires at the end of this year. They’ve recently been exploring possibilities for the 2025-27 seasons, something Manfred said needs to be finalized in the relatively near future. “We need to, in the next few months, know,” the commissioner said of the team’s plans for the intervening three years (via Evan Drellich of the Athletic). “It’s hard, even scheduling — although it’s clearly going to be someplace in the West — you know, there’s a difference between some places in the West and other places in the West.”
Among the interim hosting options: Sacramento, Salt Lake City, Reno, sharing San Francisco’s Oracle Park with the Giants, and playing at the organization’s Triple-A field in Las Vegas. A’s officials have publicly floated the possibility of a short-term lease extension at the Coliseum, but that has never seemed likely given the acrimony between the franchise and Oakland.
Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t seem there’s any momentum behind the scenes for the A’s to stay in Oakland through 2027. Henry Gardner, executive director of the agency in charge of the Coliseum, tells John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle he hasn’t heard from team personnel about the possibility of a three-year lease extension. “We are proceeding like they’re gone at the end of the year,” Gardner tells Shea.
Complicating the search is the A’s local broadcasting contract with NBC Sports California. That deal lapses once the A’s leave the Bay Area, putting one of the franchise’s major revenue streams in jeopardy. ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported last month that the A’s will receive around $70MM under the terms of that deal in 2024.
Sacramento does not fall within the contracted limits of the Bay Area. Departing Oakland or San Francisco could scuttle the deal entirely. At the very least, it’d likely force the A’s back to the negotiating table to accept a lower rights fee if they want to keep their in-market broadcasting on NBC Sports. The organization is comfortable abandoning that contract entirely in 2028, but they’d preserve that revenue in the shorter term if they reached an agreement to stay in the Bay Area until the Vegas stadium is ready.
The stadium plan has come under fire in recent days. On Monday, a political action committee filed a suit against Nevada and its governor to try to overturn the law that approved $380MM in public funding for construction. (The plaintiffs claim the voting process didn’t meet the procedural requirements of the state’s constitution.)
Las Vegas mayor Carolyn Goodman made more headlines on Tuesday when she cast doubt on the stadium arrangement in a conversation with Front Office Sports. Goodman subsequently walked those comments back somewhat (on X), although she reiterated in her clarifying statement that “it is (her) belief that in their perfect world the ownership of the A’s would like to have a new ballpark on the water in Oakland and that the ownership and government there should listen to their great fans and try to make that dream come true.”
Neither of those developments are necessarily anything more than public relations quibbles for team officials. The lawsuit’s chances of succeeding are uncertain at most. Goodman’s office, meanwhile, doesn’t have jurisdiction over the proposed construction site on the Vegas strip. That falls under the purview of Clark County, which has been generally supportive of the stadium plan.
Oakland mayor Sheng Thao nevertheless reiterated that the A’s longtime home city is willing to reopen discussions in a chat with Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic this evening. There’s little chance of that happening. Thao indicated she hasn’t spoken with owner John Fisher since the team announced it was turning its attention to Las Vegas last April. Thao nevertheless took the opportunity to throw a swipe at team leadership, particularly Fisher.
“There was a thought that this plan he had in the beginning was viable,” Thao told Rosenthal. “And now we’re seeing that actually, maybe the plan isn’t viable. The question becomes, are the plans not viable or is it that the ownership’s not viable?” Fisher has made clear he has no designs on selling the franchise, so the mayor’s comments are likely to amount to little more than rhetoric.
DarkSide830
Another saga that just needs to be over one way or another.
unpaidobserver
This is only like the beginning of the second act of the second movie.
User 4095290658
In a trilogy.
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Sacramento
A’s
Generate
Attendance
case
I lived in Sacramento for a while and it’s a great sports town. They kept the Kings afloat despite decades of poor performance and the weather is usually pretty nice. The night life for a young rich athlete leaves a little to be desired but as Chris Weber said, it’s just a quick drive into the Bay area.
its_happening
There are better cities than Sacramento that deserve an MLB team.
Sacramento wasn’t top 25 in attendance in 2023.
Blue Baron
@its_happening: Which is irrelevant in this situation.
its_happening
Not when you read Manny’s comment. You probably didn’t.
Blue Baron
Of course I did. Your comment is still irrelevant.
I.M. Insane
Please. Not Portland. Unless you mean Maine. And not Memphis or Nashville.
Stlhomers
I would love a team In Nashville, and San Antonio
its_happening
Elaborate on your point.
Bucsfan4ever
Oh Nashville is almost 100% certain to get an expansion team
inkstainedscribe
Neither MLB nor Fisher will relocate east of Utah for several seasons unless there’s a temporary realignment (IOW, it ain’t happening). Additional travel costs for the A’s — which are already losing $$$$ — and their division opponents would be astronomical. MLB might as well take over the franchise if that were on the table, but Fisher won’t sell.
Persi W
If MLB could force out Frank McCourt then they can force Fisher out too. He is a detriment to the whole league and a liability to all the other owners. Same was done to Donald Sterling with the Clippers. There are plenty of precedents of leagues forcing owners out.
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It’s happening
And did you read Dark Side’s original post where he said it was a “SAGA” – hence
S acramento
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e.g., SAGA.
its_happening
Well done. Next time do it with more accuracy and you’ll get a thumbs up from me.
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Its happening
First, you missed the acrostic. Google acrostic if you don’t understand. Second, I was accurate. I said “generates attendance”, I did not say current attendance leader or anything to that effect.” And you don;t need to do a thumb’s up unless you are hitch-hiking. 🙂
SportsFan0000
Add Rangers and Astros last sales
profhambone2
Do NOT expect the A’s to work in Las Vegas. The Raiders are not popular and their owner is a farce. He is treated as such. The schools got 38% of the graduaing class proficient in anything! They are short monies for the teacher’s raises. They are successfully blaming it on the A’s. More than one poll indicates about 65-70% of those asked had no interest in baseball in Las Vegas.. And even though this town may have been built on losers, they do not like nor support teams that are. LVGK and Aces, yes. Raiders and A’s, no……
case
It’s kind of fun watching them flail though. Fisher is a failed businessman that fell back on spending daddy’s money and Manfred was the owner’s pet lawyer they voted into the position. Now let’s watch them crush it!
JoeBrady
Why? The pitch clock? The labor peace for the past 30 years? The record-high revenue and salaries?
bravesiowafan
Labor peace? Where were you during the lock out?
JoeBrady
Where were you during the lock out?
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1-Have we lost a single game since 1994?
2-Are we the only sport that hasn’t lost a single game since 1994?
Seriously, if the only complaint is that the union and management fought over how to divvy up the pie, without a strike, I cannot think of anything less consequential.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Ruck Mob Fanfred.
case
He’s very “comfortable with where they are in the process”, and the A’s are “going to be someplace in the West”. Also, the “dog ate his homework.”
unpaidobserver
They should try occasionally sending his suit out without him in it and seeing what happens.
case
They bought chat GPT and put a screen through the neck hole, now it’s in talks to be the next VP of Warner Bros. Discovery.
unpaidobserver
“My Next Chapter”
Jason G
Underrated comment!
truthlemonade
Would it not benefit the community of Oakland and the greater East Bay to remain in Oakland for any additional years beyond 2024? Are there reasons for Oakland to deny the A’s to play there in 2025-2027 besides spite?
I can see that Oakland is in a perhaps unprecedented position of entertaining the idea of hosting a team which is hellbent on skipping town.
Bart Harley Jarvis
MLB has nearly unlimited resources. Let them come up with a plan.
daddyshark423
They don’t make any money from the A’s, at least in their current state.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Like I said, MLB most definitely has the resources.
Bra Joni
It’s kind of like if your girlfriend dumps you, then asks if she can still live in your house while they finish building the new one for her and her new dude. No thanks.
Bart Harley Jarvis
And you have to hear them going at it in the basement.:)
case
and the lube is funded by the taxpayers.
Benjamin101677
Do you know how bad Oakland is crime rise? In and out burger a popular hamburger franchise and Denny’s have just moved their stores out of Oakland. So not likely to get many more fans.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Sounds unpleasant, but correlation does not imply causation.
O'sSayCanYouSee
@ Bart — oh come on…
Ice Cream sales increase in the Summer.
Baseball is played in the Summer.
Homicides increase in the Summer.
Baseball causes Homicideal Ice Cream eating. It’s just logic.~
(The dripping sarcasm provided by 2 cups of coffee, and a beautiful Friday)
daddyshark423
Thanks Benjamin bunchanumbers. Does it strike you as odd that the closure of some restaurants has become national news? Almost like it’s part of an agenda of some kind. It’s a nice soundbyte, but it’s pretty irrelevant to this topic.
case
Strikingly similar to Russian FSA strategies. Use traditional and social media narratives to degrade societies with much higher degrees of freedom, economic output, and happy citizens in an attempt to distract from corrupt, inept local governance. Whataboutism at its finest.
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Benjamin
Twelve MLB cities have higher murder and non-negligent manslaughter rates than Oakland, in order starting with the worst:
St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Kansas City, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington, D.C. and Atlanta.
Source: Wikipedia
None of those teams have as bad a MLB owner as Oakland. That’s the story here, not that MANY big cities have high crime rates.
pirateking24
Remember in school when you had to write a paper and the teacher said that Wikipedia wasn’t an accurate source?
JoeBrady
None of those teams have as bad a MLB owner as Oakland.
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I’d bet real money that Fisher has a better record and more playoff appearances than BA, Det, KC, Cincy, the WS, and PT.
So maybe it depends on how you define bad ownership.
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PirateKing24
I graduated from Stanford more than 15 years before Wikipedia was founded.
Young one, search Wikipedia for CliffNotes.
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For the last five seasons, cumulatively, the A’s are near the bottom in runs, hits, homers, RBIs, avg., on-base%, slugging, OPS. They lost 112 games in 2023. They have the lowest attendance with many affluent neighborhoods nearby.
The largest free-agent contract handed out under Fisher in the past eight years remains Joakim Soria’s two-year, $15 million pact inked in 2019. Under Fisher, they traded away Matt Olson, Matt Chapman, Sean Murphy, Chris Bassitt, Frankie Montas, and Sean Manaea, and still have one of the weakest farm systems, they did not even tender a QO to Marcus Semien.
Baltimore, they have brought in quality talent evaluators. I have never said that Tampa had a bad owner, Baltimore is learning to be good and cheap. KC won a world series in 2015. Cincy has acquired some good young talent.
So the owners of the White Sox, Tigers and Pirates. Well the White Sox and Tigers have tried to win for their fans but their have made moves that seemed not very smart to me. I think Fisher has alienated the team’s fanbase more. And Nutting, until the past year, I used to lump him in with Fisher, his FO seems to be amaking a few token moves to try to give fans hope for at least the opening month.
OaklandKAM
The city loses money on the current lease. They have bent over backwards for the A’s over the years.
dano62
But the question is are they willing to bend themselves into a pretzel like other cities have? I respect their decision to say enough…
martras
Oh, really? Maybe that’s because the fans don’t show up?
OaklandKAM
No it’s based on the services and upkeep the city provides relative to what the A’s pay for the lease. I take it you don’t have much knowledge on the situation. Also, why would fans support a known garbage owner after almost 20 years of undercutting his own operation? A’s fans got sick of Fisher doing everything poorly and constantly forcing Beane and Co to churn out all the top talent. That cheapskate low budget cry poormouth shtick wears thin.
daddyshark423
You mean fans aren’t showing up when they’re boycotting the team? It’s almost like you don’t know what that word means.
DanUgglasRing
Fans show up when teams are good. Ask any A’s fan who’s Jersey they could buy over the last five years with confidence that player would be on the next seasons opening day roster. Don’t blame fans for the actions of badly run franchises. If I love a restaurant then they change ownership and the food sucks I’m probably going to stop showing up after a while.
JoeBrady
OaklandKAM
why would fans support a known garbage owner after almost 20 years of undercutting his own operation?
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Nonsense. Until everything fell apart, the A’s were one of the most successful teams in baseball.
They’ve made the playoffs 11 times in the past 24 years and were over .500 in 14 of the 24 years, and over 90 wins in ten of those years.
JoeBrady
DanUgglasRing
Fans show up when teams are good.
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Therein lies the problem.
1-The average teams play .500, so it stands to reason that teams with below-average attendance will be below .500.
2-If you only show up on the 45% chance that the As (or any small-market team) has a good team, how do you expect them to survive.
3-Y’all don’t come remotely close to showing up. Just for fun.
2012 94 wins 27th in attendance
2013 96 wins 23rd in attendance
2014 88 wins 24th in attendance
2018 97 wins 26th in attendance
2019 97 wins 23rd in attendance
That’s 94.2 wins per year and 24.6th in attendance. IMO, you don’t deserve a team.
JoeBrady
IMO, you don’t deserve a team.
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But that’s not the important part.
The important part is that if Oakland is a great market, and the city is a great partner, you’ll have a new team in there tomorrow.
Right? Isn’t that the promise of capitalism? All part of the Golden Rule of Supply & Demand? If someone with money can make money in Oakland, it is guaranteed that someone will come to Oakland to make that money.
Now, do any Oakland fans seriously think that someone is going to invest in a baseball team in Oakland?
JoeBrady
OaklandKAM
The city loses money on the current lease.
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Then why is there even an issue? The city should want them to leave if they are losing money.
sheerterror
They should do some updates on their AAA stadium this year with the plans for playing there next year. Why wait to build up a Las Vagas fan base!
Rsox
I wonder though, even though there is bad blood between the A’s and the Raiders over the “Al Davis Memorial Dump” (thank you Peter Gammons) are the A’s and/or MLB waiting for Allegiant Stadium to be offered as a temporary solution by either Davis or the city itself?
makaio6
You’re assuming Allegiant can be configured for baseball which it doesn’t appear it can.
JoeBrady
September games for the Raiders might be an issue.
OaklandKAM
Residents of Vegas are very lukewarm on the Fisher A’s and rightfully so. He is a pathetic cheapskate owner.
makaio6
Your name states an obvious bias so you lack in credibility to back up your statement.
OaklandKAM
Go look up the video of Fisher’s presentation in Vegas from a couple weeks ago. The emcee was trying to hype up the crowd and it was absolute crickets. Show me any evidence you have that Vegas is fired up for the A’s.
JoeBrady
OaklandKAM
Residents of Vegas are very lukewarm on the Fisher A’s
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Of those surveyed, 66% said they support the stadium plan for the A’s to move to Las Vegas, according to the research firm The Mellman Group, which ran the survey on behalf of the team. Another 18% said they were opposed, while 16% said they were undecided. After hearing the specifics of the plan, about 74% of people said they support it.
news3lv.com/news/local/survey-finds-most-las-vegas…
martras
The Coliseum is worse than most A+ stadiums.
daddyshark423
That doesn’t solve the money issue. Not to mention the fact that they’re about to embark on a historically bad run on the field.
martras
They’ll be competitive in their first year in Vegas… you know, when fans actually purchase season tickets and show up to games.
daddyshark423
Gotta draw a picture of the stadium first! How are fans buying season tickets (no evidence that will happen, but whatever) going to make them better in the field exactly? It’s just going to be magic?
OaklandKAM
Martras are you in middle school?
gbs42
sheerterror,
Fisher would forfeit $70M per season in TV revenue. What are the odds he finds a deal that good in Vegas?
HalosHeavenJJ
I think the obvious best path is to stay in Oakland until the move.
Makes too much sense for both sides.
Bra Joni
Nah, Oakland doesn’t gain anything from that. Kiss em goodbye.
HalosHeavenJJ
They get some rent money. Otherwise it sits empty.
letsgooakland123
They have to wait another 3 years to redevelop.
HalosHeavenJJ
This City will spend decades arguing over what to do with that land.
Nothing is getting built there in 3 years.
letsgooakland123
Actually I’d be pretty happy if they extended the deal – charge the A’s something really high, since otherwise they’d have to play in minor league parks. Then maybe, just maybe if this deal falls through the obvious solution is to stay which they should’ve done in the first place.
HalosHeavenJJ
Perfect idea.
OaklandKAM
Fisher actually owns 50% of the Coliseum land (bought from Alameda County with a promise to stay in Oakland, Fisher has no ethics or integrity). He has been dragging his feet on any efforts to develop the property.
dano62
Of course the rental should be commensurate with the benefits ie satisfying their broadcast agreement… why shouldn’t taxpayers finally get something from giving the keys to a MLB team? Most municipal governments prostrate themselves twice over to attract then satisfy baseball’s greedy owners…
martras
For sure. Let Oakland focus on their badass ultimate frisbee team!
case
Notsomuch for the side that had their sports team intentionally wrecked so the ownership could sell it for parts and move to another city.
HalosHeavenJJ
The side that will miss out on 3 years rent while the stadium sits empty.
Benjamin101677
They would be stupid to stay in Oakland with the crime rate. They are going draw the same amount in sacramento or someone wise.
Dangerous city
HalosHeavenJJ
Sacramento is a cool option. I lived there when that ballpark opened.
Good sports town that wants to see itself as a premier big city.
BlueSkies_LA
If they parked themselves temporarily in Sacramento, what would the team be called, the Oakland A’s of Sacramento?
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Blue Skies
Temporary Name::
“A’s Solved”
Sacramento-Oakland-Las-Vegas-EDition
OaklandKAM
There are many major league cities with similar crime rates as Oakland.
daddyshark423
Agreed. Oakland has obvious problems, but the lying by people with opposing politics doesn’t help and really alienates reasonable people.
DanUgglasRing
Oakland is not more dangerous than most MLB cities. Stop retreading the same tired BS arguments. Chicago St. Louis Baltimore and many more are far more dangerous but they’re much better run organizations with superior ownership. This is the stupidest laziest argument on MLBTR and I see it constantly from you network news munching imbeciles.
enricopallazzo
I can almost guarantee you’ve never been to Oakland Benjaminlotsanumbers
CleaverGreene
They should travel the country like a barnstorming team. No home field.
daddyshark423
It only makes sense to Oakland if they get something out of it though. This team is going to be unwatchable.
HalosHeavenJJ
Rent money on an otherwise empty stadium is the only benefit.
And that City can use all the revenue it can get.
daddyshark423
If they can cut a good deal where they pull in a lot of rent, sure. Otherwise they can start focusing on alternatives. Every city needs all the money they can get. Oakland honestly has a lot of very wealthy residents, so I wouldn’t necessarily put them at the top of that list.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
“That deal lapses once the A’s leave the Bay Area, putting one of the franchise’s major revenue streams in jeopardy.”
The A’s have revenue?
Rsox
That should actually read “putting the franchise’s only major revenue stream in jeopardy”
OaklandKAM
Not much because John Fisher has systematically destroyed the fan base.
martras
A fan base that never attended games.
xtraflamy
look at attendance under previous owner who actually invested in the team and the on field product.
martras
Sure. Fisher closed the deal in 2005. Here are the MLB attendance ranks for Oakland and the payroll ranks.
Attendance vs. Payroll vs. Games Won
2005 – 19th vs. 21st. vs. 88 wins
Fisher & Wolff era until 2016 when Fisher took over
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2004 – 19th vs. 16th vs. 91 wins
2003 – 16th vs. 23rd vs. 96 wins (Playoffs)
2002 – 18th vs. 27th vs. 103 wins (Playoffs)
2001 – 19th vs. 29th vs. 102 wins (Playoffs)
2000 – 24th vs. 25th vs. 91 wins (Playoffs)
1999 – 26th vs. 25th vs. 87 wins
1998 – 27th vs. 25th vs. 74 wins
1997 – 30th vs. 26th vs. 65 wins
1996 – 30th vs.27th vs. 78 wins
1995 – 26th vs. 7th vs. 67 wins
Schott & Hofmann era
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1994 – 25th vs. 13th vs. 51 wins
1993 – 23rd vs. 12th vs. 68 wins
1992 – 5th vs. 5th vs. 96 wins (Playoffs)
1991 – 4th vs. 1st vs. 84 wins
1990 – 3rd vs. 10th vs. 103 wins (World Series)
1989 – 5th vs. 12th vs. 99 wins (World Series Champions)
Haas, Jr. era
I’ve done this type of exercise for delusional A’s fans multiple times.
Fans have never supported the A’s in recent history. The last time the A’s were average or above in attendance was 1992 when the team was owned by Walter Haas and the A’s had been to the World Series 2x and the playoffs 3 of the past 4 years.
Schott & Hofmann started the stadium quest 7 years before Fisher & Wolff agreed to buy the team because the Coliseum was not viable as a competitive baseball stadium, even back in the late 90s.
Also, back in the 90s, the payroll gap between the highest and lowest spenders was 3x. If the lowest payroll was $10MM, the highest was $30MM. Today, the discrepancy is 2-3x higher than that. Teams need competitive facilities.
No city or metro area in the country has treated sports teams as poorly or offered as little support as Oakland.
daddyshark423
Oh those poor sports teams. I’m honestly not sure what motivates people to try to take this position. Like you just hate Oakland and the people there that much that you have to pretend like it’s this simplistic of an argument? All you’ve done here is show that the team is supported when there is an effort to win (from the owner) and the stadium is at least mildly viable. Even in the early 2000s, those attendance numbers are fine. Nobody is moving the team with the 18th-19th best attendance. Why aren’t you asking the question of how John Fisher bought a team with those attendance levels and drove them down? All the fans who were going to the games moved away? They were raptured?
Also, if the A’s go to LV and play in a 30k seat dome, 18th or 19th in attendance would be the absolute ceiling. So are you going to post these numbers when the LV A’s are bottom third in attendance every year for 30 years? How is that solving this supposed problem?
And none of this explains why the Warrior’s owner, who was highly successful in Oakland and left on good terms, has publicly stated that he would buy the team and get a stadium deal done in Oakland. He knows the potential that is there and he knows how John Fisher has so badly managed the organization because he knows what it’s like to run a good organization.
JoeBrady
Even in the early 2000s, those attendance numbers are fine. Nobody is moving the team with the 18th-19th best attendance.
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It doesn’t work like that.
You are basically saying that, if the As can win 100 games a year, then they will still be below average in attendance, but can survive.
But they cannot win 100 every year. And when they don’t, they will drop to 26-27th. So you will average being 22-23rd in attendance.
And it is actually worse. Since 2010, and excluding the past two seasons, the As have averaged 84 wins, and were ranked 27th in attendance.
You guys DO NOT GO to games. Just accept it.
unpaidobserver
Actually what you showed was that despite attendance remaining strong during the early 2000’s payroll slackened for no particular reason and that attendance cratered after payroll slackened, which is also consistent with Bay Area fans perception of the A’s and why many switched their allegiance to the Giants.
daddyshark423
It’s not about winning 100 games or anything like that. It’s about signaling to fans that you actually care about the team and want to win. It’s about having and keeping name players, and giving fans a good experience at the stadium. It’s about drawing in new fans through marketing, etc. Since John Fisher bought the team, the A’s have done a terrible job of all those things. What drives attendance is Oakland is the same as almost every other place, and its why the attendance has been similar to places like Miami, Tampa, KC, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cincinnati, etc. It’s just a consistent lack of any effort to win from ownership.
Go back to those mid 2000s days. The A’s were coming off a good run, but almost immediately shipped off the last of their good players when Fisher bought in, including the Big 3 pitching staff. Every time an organization does something like that, they’re incurring a big debt to the fanbase, which doesn’t just consist of hardcore fans. And it takes time to win them back. Sporadically winning helps, but it takes time to get people to come back consistently. A lot of those seasons you are seeing, the overall attendance is low because at the beginning of the season there was no excitement. By the end they were filling the stands.
Even if you want to take this incredibly narrow view where you blame the fans and not the owner, how is moving to a tiny city with a tiny stadium where they have no fans going to fix anything? Even if they sold out every game, their attendance is still going to suck, so what problem is being solved here?
martras
Certainly no revenue from bay area fans attending games.
OaklandKAM
Back when Haas owned the team they were consistently top 5 in fans. After he passed, Schott/Hoffman started the cheapskate approach and Fisher took it to a new level over 2 decades. The Bay Area has never taken kindly to absolute cheapskate ownership. This market wants ownership who wants to win and invests in talent. Fisher never cared and absolutely NEVER invested in talent. Blaming fans is DUMB
HalosHeavenJJ
Fisher destroying the franchise coinciding with the Warriors rise to greatness was a death knell.
The fans had a well run organization to get behind.
martras
BS. Look at the real numbers. Go to back to back World Series’ and your fan base will increase, but Oakland fans ditched out fast. Prior to the World Series runs, Oakland fans weren’t exactly top of the charts, either. Not to mention you’re talking about a TOTALLY different era of baseball and back when the Coliseum was literally 1/2 it’s current age, dude.
1988 – 10th
1987 – 24th
1986 – 25th
1985 – 24th
JoeBrady
Back when Haas owned the team they were consistently top 5 in fans.
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Haas sold in 1995.
In 1994, they were 24th in attendance.
In 1993, they were 21st in attendance.
JPR
You can keep saying that as ling as you like but it will still be stupid. Fisher gutting the team and plummeting attendance are tightly linked.
JoeBrady
And you can keep saying that, but is anyone going to invest in Oakland? All the Oakland fans keep saying that the fans are great and the city is great, and the government is bending over backwards to help build a stadium.
But do you think a prospective owner is coming into Oakland any time soon?
unpaidobserver
Larry Ellison former Chairman and CEO of Oracle has been angling for many years to own the Oakland A’s.
CCCTL
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daddyshark423
@joebrady Derp
daddyshark423
You’re asking a question that you should know the answer to if you’re going to comment this much on it. If I knew as little as you clearly do, I’d be in listening mode right now. Stupid people don’t need to be smart, but they at least to know that they’re stupid and listen to smart people.
just_thinkin
Did you guys know some places in the West are different than other places in the West?
unpaidobserver
I just figured it was a series of mesas chocked full of coyotes waiting to catch roadrunners myself.
osfandan
Also a revelation for some folks: the crime rate in a city doesn’t dictate how safe or dangerous it is to play baseball there. Cities are large, and often have good areas and bad areas.
daddyshark423
Also and In-N-Out closing 2000 miles away is apparently a big deal to people in Oklahoma and Arkansas.
MadBum14
Las Vegas A’s…sounds like the deal is sealed!
letsgooakland123
So the thing that seals the deal for you is a lawsuit against the project, the Las Vegas mayor saying she’d rather see them in Oakland, and Manfred addressing the lack of clarity and information around this “plan”?
Huh?
MadBum14
It’s genuinely sad to me seeing what few A’s fans exist cope like this… Their fate was sealed last April when the A’s announced their plans. Fisher and Kaval are probably laughing at all these last ditch efforts. On to better pastures for the Athletics in Sin City!
letsgooakland123
People who are laughing at these efforts wouldn’t offer 50% tickets on OPENING DAY. Why are they doing that? After the enormously reverse boycott, fans are planning a regular boycott that game.
People who are laughing at these efforts wouldn’t be tromping around Vegas looking for investors. They were supposed to release renderings in December but couldn’t because NOBODY WOULD PAY FOR THEIR BALLPARK.
People who are laughing at these efforts wouldn’t be laughing that they somehow managed to have the mayor of both the city they’re leaving and the one they’re moving to.
So pardon me if I choose to hold out hope for my team. I know it’s a long shot that we keep the team, but I can be proud of every A’s fan, myself included, who won’t give up in this fight.
case
The franchise is currently the worst team in the league, they sold off one of the best minor league teams/locations in the league, they made a mess of trading off all of their best players, and they’re moving to a city that didn’t embrace their new team in a much more popular sport and sits in one of the smallest TV markets in professional sports.
I know the farmer told you it was a better pasture but that slaughterhouse smell is a bit worrisome..
MadBum14
The Raiders? The team that doubled its franchise value since moving to Vegas? You can’t possibly say this move won’t make the A’s a significantly more valuable franchise with a straight face. From a business perspective this is by far their best option.
OaklandKAM
Fisher has announced stadium sites before:
Oakland 1
Fremont
San Jose
Laney College
Howard Terminal
Now Vegas
And Fisher already is showing he is a putz in Vegas.
Why is the 6th try the one that will surely work?
MadBum14
@OaklandKAM Do you really need to ask that? Relocation unanimously approved, public funding approved, Tropicana Hotel being torn down… Oh and Manfred’s name is attached to it… Do you think these people are idiots?
martras
Because it’s not the government shithole that the bay area is?
daddyshark423
Wow, $700m in taxpayer money raised the Raiders valuation? It’s a miracle!!! How are they in the field? Worse than ever but their fans aren’t in the stands? Perfect.
MadBum14
@daddyshark423 Their value raised from 3.1 BB to 6.2 BB in 4 years… last I checked 700 MM isn’t 3.1 BB. Also, virtually every team uses public funding to build stadiums so get over it.
case
I’m sure the fans are very excited that their perennially bad and sparsely attended franchise will make an investment group richer. Sometimes the Black Hole is up all night worrying that Elon Musk’s Tesla compensation package might not go through.
daddyshark423
Las Vegas is a massive shithole! Wait do people not know that, lol? It’s a joke place. Come on it’s fun for a weekend but let’s get real.
daddyshark423
Oh my god yes. They are massive idiots.
daddyshark423
Any team that builds a new stadium is going to increase in value wherever they are. Vegas didn’t invent this concept. I mean if it was such a great deal, wouldn’t Mark Davis have wanted to pay for the stadium himself? FYI, both stadiums in SF we’re privately financed, so not everybody has to pay for friends like Vegas.
MadBum14
@daddyshark423 Right because “idiots” end up being billionaires and commissioners… What does that make you?
OaklandKAM
The public funding is a fraction of the cost required. What funding plan does Fisher have for the over a billion he needs to get it done? Also why have they not even released renderings yet after saying they were going to months ago? Fisher has failed time and again with big ballpark announcements. Look at his track record.
MadBum14
Why would Mark Davis pay 700 million he didn’t have to? Are you that dense?
OaklandKAM
Martras where do you live?
MadBum14
Because a LV cop died so they had to postpone the announcement… Don’t be insensitive
OaklandKAM
Fisher was born into his wealth. Does that take a high amount of business talent to pull off?
daddyshark423
John Fisher became a billionaire by being born. Have you followed this situation at all?
daddyshark423
Because it’s a smart investment right? Why wouldn’t he want to pay for that? You act like no stadium has ever been financed privately or that Las Vegas was legally obligated to give him $700m.
OaklandKAM
Because a cop died they had to postpone the rendering reveal for months? Sounds like they used a cop dying as an excuse for not having their stuff together, which is just sad.
case
It’s actually a bit sad that Manfred’s dad was the division head of a multinational corporation and his son is a mascot for ownership, dancing his way through their scraps.
MadBum14
They announced the renderings like 2 days before the cops were killed… If they weren’t ready, why would they do that? Unless you think they’re purposely doing bad PR? The hoops you A’s fans jump through is fascinating from the outside looking in.
letsgooakland123
Following along here… a cop did die. Maybe they postponed it initially because of that. However, postponing now for nearly 3 months doesn’t happen just because a cop died.
Fisher is on record in a LV Review Journal article saying that his side is waiting on renderings from the casino company. Bally’s, that company, is on record saying they’re waiting for the A’s renderings.
Whoever you believe, the renderings clearly aren’t done. I think it’s actually pretty insensitive to say you’re postponing because of a dead cop (RIP, seriously) when really it’s because you don’t have your act together.
martras
I’ve lived in several metros in recent years, including in the bay area.
makaio6
The stadium wouldn’t actually be IN Las Vegas nor does the mayor have any jurisdiction over the area. Her opinion is irrelevant and possibly biased BECAUSE it wouldn’t be in her city.
daddyshark423
Yeah the mayor saying the team should go back to Oakland is perfectly normal and a really healthy sign. Keep telling yourself that.
Frank_TananaDaquri
What a disaster. The fans deserve better. The historic Athletics franchise deserves better. Sell the team to Reggie Jackson and his group of investors.
MadBum14
The fans that have been bottom 5 in attendance in 15 of the last 18 years despite having the 8th best winning percentage since 2000? Do they really deserve better?
OaklandKAM
If you keep ZERO of your marketable players and constantly provide a crap customer service and down talk your own stadium, why would fans show up? The last long term deal they signed was Eric Chavez back in the early 2000s. Fisher is a joke and no one wants to support his nonsense even if Beane found a way to win regular season games with hay and baling wire.
MadBum14
That’s fine if you don’t want to support your winning baseball club… Just know that there are other markets that will. Fisher and Manfred recognized this and no one can blame them for it.
OaklandKAM
It’s a mark of a failure of ownership. There is no good business that goes into a ditch and says “it’s all our customers’ fault”. It’s very easy to point out how ownership has failed. As failures often do (especially spoiled ones who “made” their money by being born) its never their responsibility but rather everyone and everything else. Blaming the fans is the absolute mark of failure.
JoeBrady
OaklandKAM
There is no good business that goes into a ditch and says “it’s all our customers’ fault”.
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Just to quote madbum:
“The fans that have been bottom 5 in attendance in 15 of the last 18 years despite having the 8th best winning percentage since 2000? ”
You can talk around it all you want, but As fans are too cheap to go to the games. I have a lot more sympathy for Reds fans, or PT, etc. Y’all have some type of privilege issue where you think teams should operate at your convenience.
If TB or Miami wanted to relocate to Charlotte or Nashville, I wouldn’t blame them either.
daddyshark423
Right because people in Charlotte and Nashville and Las Vegas are good decent honest folk and the people in Oakland and Miami and Tampa are ungrateful heathens. SMH, do you hear yourself? How did you get to the point where you look at the world this way?
OaklandKAM
Also, in what business is it viable to blame your customers for garbage business performance? The ownership and top management is always the party responsible for success. Fisher has never run a successful business so he of course blames everyone and everything else. All of his “success” is due to being born to very wealthy parents.
daddyshark423
You know that by moving to a 30k seat dome in Las Vegas, they’re effectively locking up bottom third attendance for 30 years? Problem solved! Attendance was fine when Fisher bought the team.
disadvantage
@madbum
Attendance numbers are more a reflection of the market size than the allegiance of the fans. Otherwise, the Rays would be outdrawing the Red Sox given their recent run of success and Boston’s cost cutting and middling results.
And A’s fans go hard. But what do they get? A decrepit stadium that looks like a glorified college baseball field with no modern concessions, no signature foods, dugout stores that aren’t inviting, and no nightlife near the stadium for fans to hang out at after the game. Not that a new stadium would catapult them to the top 5, but the Colosseum is certainly doing them no favors. Especially when the same Bart train most fans took to get there could take them across the Bay to Oracle.
MadBum14
@disadvantage If attendance numbers are a reflection of market size, how can you blame Fisher for wanting to move? The A’s are in the Giants shadow and the Bay Area is clearly not a two team market. They already moved twice before…
disadvantage
@madbum
That wasn’t your argument, though. You blamed the fans for not showing up, not Fisher for wanting to move to a bigger market.
MadBum14
It was YOUR argument and I dismantled it easily because it makes no sense. You admitted that market size is correlated with attendance which everyone would agree with. Thus, how can you blame Fisher for wanting out of a poor market with a fickle fanbase?
daddyshark423
It’s almost three times the size of LV. Plus there’s an adjacent market that’s about twice the size that used to draw a ton of A’s fans before Fisher. If he can’t make that situation work, how’s he going to make it work in the 40th biggest market? You know this is really just about staying in revenue sharing, right? He basically brags about that.
daddyshark423
A poor market? lol, it’s one of the wealthiest in the whole country.
MadBum14
A market which the Giants dominate. Compared to the 3 other two team markets, the bay area is by far the smallest. The A’s “actual market” is tiny, as evidenced by their putrid attendance totals and miserable fanbase.
disadvantage
@madbum
No, you “dismantled” a strawman. I never said anything about Fisher wanting to move. If your original argument was “Attendance is low even when they put a winner on the field, can you blame Fisher for wanting to move?”, we would be having a much different conversation. I was answering your question “Do (the fans) really deserve better?”
The only reason I brought up that market size correlates to attendance in the first place was in relation to your argument that winning correlates to attendance in a meaningful way (it may represent a few hundred thousand fans at most, but has little bearing on them being in the “bottom 5” of attendance).
MadBum14
So lets get this straight… If the A’s have these amazing loyal fans and play in a huge market… How on earth is their attendance so low? You can’t have it both ways. Either they have weak fans or the bay area isn’t a two team market. (both are likely true)… Fisher owns the team and shouldn’t be blamed for making the right business decision. He gave you a winning team and you spit in his face.
daddyshark423
Every place is basically the same. No place has “weak” fans. How would that even make sense? People in San Francisco are strong fans, but the people who live 10 miles to the East are weak? Attendance is whatever the owner wants it to be. Not sure what you’re not understanding about that. In the early 90s, A’s attendance was great, and the Giants sucked. Right now, the A’s attendance sucks and the Giants is good. In the early 2000s, Giants were great and the A’s were good. There were reasons behind each of these situations that anybody who follows them understands. I guess you have to have to label things to make things simple for yourself.
Frankly it’s kind of weird that there are still people who think low attendance means bad fans. Name almost any team and you can go back and find periods of time when attendance was low. It’s usually due to the stadium, lack of star power, lack of fan experience, or some combination thereof. Even a place like St. Louis, considered a great baseball city, was drawing small crowds at the end of last year. Go back and watch a game and see how many people were in the stands.
disadvantage
@madbum
“How on earth is their attendance so low?” I’ll give you a few reasons:
1. Fisher
2. The Coliseum is a bottom-3 stadium. It doesn’t have any unique construction, no scenic views (although it did before Mount Davis), no character, no signature foods, no fun stores, nothing fun to do other than watch the game for non-baseball fans, and it’s falling apart.
3. It’s ~30 minutes from a top-3 stadium in Oracle. Why ride BART to the Coliseum when that same train can also take you to Oracle?
4. There is nothing to do near the Coliseum. It is landlocked within a parking lot and is bordered by a freeway. Meanwhile, Oracle has bars, stores, and restaurants right outside, including some built into the stadium itself. Oracle is also right on the water and close to downtown, so it’s pleasant to walk to and from.
5. The team trades away players as soon as they cost money. So you’ll keep getting diehard fans to show up – these are the fans I keep defending. Buy why would new fans show up for a winning team and get attached to winning players when they will be in a new uniform in the next few years?
“Fisher owns the team and shouldn’t be blamed for making the right business decision”
Moving a business to a new city to take advantage of new opportunities is only effective when the business is well-run. As others have pointed out, Vegas will also have its own set of challenges, so if he has no strategy to navigate those, we’ll be having this conversation again once the luster of a new stadium dies down.
“He gave you a winning team and you spit in his face.”
Okay, at this point, you’ve got to be trolling. Right? He did not “give” anybody a winning team. He owns a team, and every once in a while, his brass constructs a winning team on the breadcrumbs he feeds them. He’s not Seidler trying to pull all the stops to make his team a winner.
Even you’ve got to see this is not me being disingenuous or making up excuses to take shots at Fisher. If he made an effort to make the team a winner, then I’ll give credit where it is due. But you’ll need to make a pretty compelling argument that Fisher is working in the team’s best interest before you can suggest fans are “spitting in his face.”
Speaking of spitting in someone’s face, have you seen the product he’s putting on the field?
enricopallazzo
You don’t think the A’s with a new stadium and competent owner would compete with the Giants in popularity? Are you like 12 and don’t remember when the A’s were more popular and the Giants struggled with similar circumstances? The market can and has supported both franchises.
JoeBrady
daddyshark423
It’s almost three times the size of LV. Plus there’s an adjacent market that’s about twice the size
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Disadvantage was making the point that the attendance issue was a function of market size.
Past that, the market size doesn’t matter if no one shows up. There is nothing more to it than that.
daddyshark423
Well the fact that they can’t draw in a big market, adjacent to another big market (that they used to draw from) seems like kind of a problem, no? Not sure how moving to a smaller market where people have less money is going to fix that issue.
JoeBrady
enricopallazzo
You don’t think the A’s with a new stadium and competent owner would compete with the Giants in popularity?
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If that’s the case, you should be happy. A new owner will arrive in no time at all. This is what Corporate America does.
astros_fan_84
The owner abused his fans. I’m surprised they stuck around so long.
JoeBrady
They didn’t. The fans stopped coming about 30 years ago. Since 1992, the top Oakland attendance was 2.2M. And most years, it was probably 1.5-1.6M.
daddyshark423
Well that’s not true, but even if it was, what happened 30 years ago? All the baseball fans moved away? Doesn’t this seem like an odd argument when there is a team that plays 10 miles away that draws well? Like how does it work that the Giants can draw crowds, but the A’s can’t? It’s almost like there must be circumstances that drive that disparity. But of course it will all be fixed by moving to a different market. People in some cities enjoy spending their money to watch a team try to lose.
martras
What fans? If the “fans” actually attended games, this wouldn’t be happening.
OaklandKAM
Why would any fans support an ownership that has systematically shipped off every talented player for nearly 2 decades, failed at multiple stadium sites in multiple locations, sabotaged their own stadium experience and generally just been a silent absentee ownership? The ownership and top management have run off fans in droves.
disadvantage
@martras
Have you been to the Coliseum? There are hardcore fans. They wave flags, play drums, and go hard. The problem is, they are rewarded with an uncomfortable, poorly maintained stadium with an owner unwilling to spend. So do you really blame them for not showing up in waves?
VegasSDfan
The A’s have no idea what they are doing. They already lost the 50 fans they had in Vegas.
letsgooakland123
I assume by your username you live in Vegas? From 1-10, rate how excited people are there. Just curious – try to leave out bias whether you’re for/against relocation.
I can say as a Bay Area resident the desire for them to stay here is probably at about a 9-9.5.
Benjamin101677
Letsgooakland123;
The athletics can’t stay in Oakland; you seen that in and out burger and dennys have closed due to crime. They have to put a task force of chp into that area of Oakland because of the crime. That city is not safe. The giants blocked the athletics from going to San Jose; Fremont feel apart. So where would they go?
Any player of the athletics are going save huge money in Nevada compared to California with the tax rates
letsgooakland123
For the reasons you listed, I could tolerate a Vegas move provided they had a coherent, well thought-out plan that could benefit people there. It just sucks that they’re basically robbing money from Nevada without providing really any benefit to the citizens.
I notice a lot of the pro-Vegas argument is really an anti-Oakland argument.
I agree that Oakland has a lot of problems. Maybe it’s just not viable long term. But please, please move the team in a way that is good for the area they’re going to – whether it’s Salt Lake, Sacramento, the current Coliseum site or even Vegas.
Thank you though for providing a real argument that isn’t an attempt to troll A’s fans. I do understand where you’re coming from.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Again, with the In-N-Out Burger and Denny’s. Give it a rest already.
OaklandKAM
There are a dozen MLB franchises in cities dealing with similar crime numbers.
disadvantage
@benjamin
I keep seeing that In N Out and Denny’s as evidence Oakland is unsustainable. But Denny’s close all the time (didn’t one close on 1st St in San Jose a few years ago?) and that In N Out was in one of the worst parts of Oakland. And purely anecdotal, but I visit my fiancee in Oakland almost every weekend and didn’t even know that In N Out existed (unlike most of their flashy, freeway-side locations).
Not that an argument can’t be made that Oakland can’t sustain a ballpark. But those examples feel like saying the Dodgers should move because a lot of crime happens on Skid Row.
daddyshark423
It’s a stupid argument made by simpletons. It’s weird and creepy that people thousands of miles away even know about a restaurant closing.
OaklandKAM
That is very weird and speaks to an agenda more than anything else.
JoeBrady
Maybe it’s just not viable long term. But please, please move the team in a way that is good for the area they’re going to – whether it’s Salt Lake,
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Finally some common sense.
Fisher might be an idiot, but the Oakland fans are delusional if they think that this is all on Fisher. The stadium sucks, and the fans haven’t shown up in 30 years.
Like you said, Oakland might not be viable. I just wish the fans would acknowledge that.
daddyshark423
I didn’t realize the fans were responsible for the stadium and not the owner who owns half of it. Good to know. If Fisher runs the A’s like he has the last 20 years, it will be the same wherever he goes. There are no magic markets. You get what you pay for. It’s clear to anybody who follows this situation that there is a viable fanbase. You don’t get 54k people to a playoff game unless there are people who love the team. The goal is to get them to come out more, and somehow Fisher has screwed that up like basically every other business he’s ever owned (except for when he leased property to his parents’ company). In case you haven’t been following, there’s been a lot more public sentiment on keeping the A’s in Oakland than the other way around. You’re part of a very small number of trolls who hasn’t really followed the situation closely.
Also there are ownership groups in Oakland who would keep the team there, so there must be some pretty smart people who see the potential. Why wouldn’t you just be in favor of that instead of crapping on other fans?
Braves Butt-Head
If the desire is there then why didn’t you Bay area fans go to the games when they were competitive just 2 years ago or any time over the last 20 years when they had some good teams?
OaklandKAM
John Fisher has been a known cheapskate who keeps none of the top players for nearly two decades. Why do you think fans would bend over backwards to support such a joke of an ownership?
daddyshark423
Attendance is complicated. Winning is just one factor and it’s really a fairly minor one. Walk into an average MLB stadium and it’s probably 75% casuals who don’t really care about winning. To get those fans you need fan experience, stadium, star players, marketing, etc., basically none of which the A’s have done well. There’s an obvious fanbase there: the reverse boycott (totally fan organized) and 54k fans at a playoff game. It’s easy to blame customers, but it’s the business owner’s job to get them there. When Fisher bought the team, attendance was fine. 15 years before that it was top 5 in MLB. They need an owner who can bring that back.
Rounders
Living in Vegas, I’m hoping Oakland moving here will allow me to watch Giants, DBacks, Dodgers, Padres, Angels on MLB TV.
Old York
Move them back to Philadelphia where they belong. Should never have left.
Rounders
Connie Mack is turning in his grave!
Bart Harley Jarvis
inquirer.com/phillies/connie-mack-grave-philadelph…
Old York
@Rounders
Cornelius McGillicuddy
enricopallazzo
And move the Braves back to Milwaukee!
daddyshark423
They came from Boston.
enricopallazzo
Fair enough, then bring the Baltimore Orioles back to Milwaukee
Braves Butt-Head
I don’t blame the A’s for leaving Oakland. And I hear people on the message boards say that the “fans” have been screwed by the A’s. But here’s the thing, THE FANS DID NOT SHOW UP TO THE GAMES!!! Even with the A’s had playoff teams they would be near last in attendance. And they play in the worst stadium in sports it’s a dump and they won’t get funding for a new one. And then you have the rampant crime going on there. Business people and families don’t want to worry if they are gonna get mugged or shot or stabbed while trying to get to a ball game. The A’s aren’t the only business leaving Oakland CVS, Target, Starbucks, Black Bear Diner, and In-N-Out Burger are all leaving the city of Oakland along with many local small businesses because of the crime. So with no fans, no money and rampant crime with a dump of a stadium why the Hell should they stay anyways?
Bart Harley Jarvis
“I hear…” is your argument, but you speak with such authority. You might want to fine tune that approach.
Braves Butt-Head
Ok prove me wrong.
You A’s fans start going to the games I mean the Tigers and Pirates have been bad teams for a long time and they get 20,000 fans to each game the Royals still can do 15,000 a game.
Do 15,000 fans a game and prove me wrong
Bart Harley Jarvis
@BB-H,
Be honest. Have you ever been in California? Have you ever been west of the Mississippi? Have you ever been outside the state of Georgia?
Braves Butt-Head
Be honest have you ever been to an Oakland A’s game?……that’s the problem you fans don’t show up to the games and that’s why they going to leave.
Bart Harley Jarvis
I go to three or four A’s games a year, and I go to about as many Giants games per season. I’m a Phillies fan living in the Bay Area.
There isn’t nicer weather on the planet for day baseball than Northern California. Check it out before you pass judgment.
OaklandKAM
A’s outdrew the Pirates in 2018 and 2019 despite the Pirates having arguably the nicest ballpark and the A’s playing in an old dual use park. 2020 no one had fans due to COVID and since then, Fisher nuked the team of any talent and once again is trying to move. Why would anyone expect fans to show up in droves? Do people think customers are really supposed to pay high prices to support a garbage ownership?
Braves Butt-Head
I never said anything about the weather or scenery there’s a lot of beautiful places in the Bay area and a culture and history but it’s the crime that’s forcing businesses to leave Oakland and when businesses start to leave more and more continue to follow and that drives away the middle class from your city aka the life blood of any sports teams revenue. It’s a complex issue I get it but the A’s cannot stay in Oakland if they are going to get 5000 people a game in a stadium that should have been torn down 25 years ago. There’s no budget in Oakland to build a new stadium you can blame the politicians I suppose but what is going on is not working and at the end of the day if the fans came to Oakland to watch the A’s then the A’s would not be moving.
OaklandKAM
I have been to hundreds of A’s games. I know literally hundreds of people locally who would go to games all the time but don’t because John Fisher killed any fun, experience or good feelings about supporting the team.
daddyshark423
Oh wow. I actually responded to your comment above like you were serious, but you didn’t even bother to look this stuff up. In 2019 the A’s had higher attendance than both of those teams. They were both below 20k FWIW. You might want to stay off these boards and go watch some more My Pillow Guy videos.
MadBum14
Flexing a year when the A’s finished 24th in attendance tells you all you need to know about the delusion of A’s fans.
pd14athletics
Oh, perfect comparisons. Detroit and Pittsburgh with stadiums built in 2000 and 2001. Seems like they are there for the long haul? Royals, now that stadium is old, but 15 years ago they did a quarter billion in renovations. The A’s many decades ago had a nice stadium but Mount Davis killed that along with age and neglect and the Raiders aren’t even there anymore. Meanwhile the Royals are pushing for a new stadium and locking up Bobby Witt Jr for a few hundred million on top of other moves trying to compete. Will they? Probably not, but I admire that they are actually trying and who knows, that division isn’t strong right now.
Your comparison is apples to donkeys. Oakland had great attendance when Haas family owned them and the team was trying to win. The team has had a decline in attendance with Fisher as owner, and calling out A’s fans for not supporting that guy is like me punching someone in the face and being confused why their reaction isn’t to offer to make me a breakfast burrito with a smile.
daddyshark423
You can’t possibly be this dumb and not have fallen down an elevator shaft by now. Just put Oakland aside. There are beautiful middle class and wealthy communities all over the east bay. There’s also a massive market in Sacramento and the Central Valley immediately adjacent. All these people can come to games and used to before John Fisher. At least let him make all these dumb arguments about crime and attendance. Not sure why you feel the need to do it for him other than just wanting to own the libs. He’ll never do that of course because he knows those are incredibly flimsy and he’d get destroyed. He literally wants people to not show up!
daddyshark423
Who was flexing? Again, how is moving to a 30k seat stadium in Vegas going to fix attendance issues? That essentially guarantees bottom tier attendance forever.
OaklandKAM
Any fans who go to A’s games over the past decade go totally in spite of ownership and are mostly total die hards. Fisher has created a revolving door of any marketable talent and the ballpark tickets prices haven’t even been cheap. They haven’t marketed, it has been obvious a long time the focus is on revenue sharing and bleeding out nominal cash while not investing in any players. Aside from maybe 1-2 years when Chris Giles was there, the ballpark experience has never been a focus of ownership. It’s really been a case study in how to get fans to NOT show up. Blaming fans in this equation is honestly incredibly silly.
MadBum14
Is that why they have the 6th most playoff appearances since 2000? Oh the poor A’s fans… what ever will they do! You want to know a real die hard fanbase? The Rockies. They never win anything and trade away/don’t resign their stars as well and guess what… they’re consistently in the top half of attendance.
daddyshark423
At the last A’s playoff game, they had 54k people in attendance. Rockies play in a nice stadium and have actually signed free agents. What next?
daddyshark423
On the bright side, I don’t think anybody has to worry about the A’s making the playoffs for at least the next decade, unless they’re sold to a real owner.
JoeBrady
OaklandKAM
A’s outdrew the Pirates in 2018 and 2019 despite the Pirates having arguably the nicest ballpark and the A’s playing in an old dual use park.
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Please allow me to borrow your philosophy.
Despite the As winning 97 games in 2018 and 2019, and the Pirates winning 43 less games over the two years, the As still only manged to outdraw PT by 143k fans each year.
Is this your argument? That one of the best teams in BB averaged 20k over two years of winning 97 games?
JoeBrady
Is that why they have the 6th most playoff appearances since 2000?
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My guess is that, if they were 1st in playoff appearances, they would still have weak attendance.
FWIW, they aren’t alone. Cleveland had a great run, and they averaged 1.8M and that’s being generous. TB is in the midst of a great run and they draw and 1.4M is a good year for them.
If they wanted to move to cities that would support them, I wouldn’t object. Some cities support their teams and some don’t.
JoeBrady
Rockies play in a nice stadium and have actually signed free agents. What next?
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They sign FAs because they draw 1M more fans per season than the As. And they outdraw them despite having a much worse record over the past 20 years.
daddyshark423
I see, so John Fisher really really wants to sign FAs, but the poor guy just can’t because he can’t get the attendance. And obviously he’s worked so hard to raise that attendance. He’s tried selling off players, he stopped upkeep on the stadium, he even raised season ticket prices and nothing seems to work. Obviously he’s the victim here and he’s simply out of ideas.
Thinking that some markets are different than others is just peak stupid. There are the Dodgers, Cubs and Red Sox…most of the other markets are close to the same. If John Fisher took over any one of them and ran them the way he does the A’s, within 5 years they’d be just like the A’s. If the Rockies are as bad as everybody says they’re going to be, you’ll see plenty of empty seats in the stands this year.
martras
The Rockies drew 2.6MM fans, ranking #13 in MLB last year.
Here are their recent years records.
2023 = 59-103
2022 = 68-94
2021 = 74-87
2020 = 26-34
2019 = 71-91
The A’s haven’t drawn that many fans since 1991, and it took 2 back to back World Series appearances and the highest payroll in baseball to get there…
daddyshark423
Cool, good for them. They play in a nice stadium and they’ve shown a willingness to sign FAs. They weren’t always expected to be this bad, but they just don’t run the team that well. With the season last year and the expectations this year, I promise you you’ll see a lot of empty seats, especially when they’re not playing the Dodgers and Giants, etc. Now whether they continue to report higher attendance is a different story–you see that sometimes where a team will announce a big attendance and half the stadium is empty, so take those stats with a grain of salt.
Nobody is arguing the A’s are going to lead the league in attendance. We know for a fact they will never do that in Vegas or any other place they go. But their attendance numbers have been perfectly viable (with obvious top-5 upside) when the team is run in a good faith manor, and when the stadium is viable. That’s all it is. That’s why there are ownership groups in the Bay Area willing to buy the team and keep them there.
martras
EXACTLY THIS. A’s fans didn’t show up and the bay area government is the most self-important arrogant group of people on planet Earth. There’s a reason Oakland has lost 3 of the major 4 sports in the recent years.
OaklandKAM
I have been to literally 500 games at the Oakland Alameda County site between the A’s, Raiders and Warriors and never once had to worry about mugging or anything like that. People with an agenda paint this doom loop picture. Every big city in America has crime. John Fisher alienated all fans over nearly 20 decades of mismanagement. He blames everyone and everything else for HIS failures. Why should fans bend over backwards to support his nonsense?
martras
OHHHHHHHH!!! You’re the one!
Braves Butt-Head
I will admit John Fisher is an idiot who once when he was with the Giants tried to move them to Tampa in the 90s. But fans have to overcome a bad owner sometimes like how fortunately the Orioles fans have done with the Angelos family.
daddyshark423
The orioles had terrible attendance just last year when they made the playoffs. It was terrible for years before that. Now that they have a new owner and a good team that will be good for years (and a nice stadium), attendance will go up. It’s not really that complicated.
OaklandKAM
Saying “fans have to overcome a bad owner” is just a really weird take. In what business is that a thing that anyone ever thinks is a reasonable thing to say?
disadvantage
@Braves
You: “THE FANS DID NOT SHOW UP TO THE GAMES!!!”
You, literally two sentences later: “And they play in the worst stadium in sports it’s a dump and they won’t get funding for a new one.”
And then you proceed to blame A’s fans for not showing up. Do you not recognize the contradiction there?
martras
A’s fans have sucked for attendance for 30 straight years. Before the Coliseum was a dump.
daddyshark423
Well it’s pretty much been a dump for 30 years, especially since they put up Mt. Davis, so….
OaklandKAM
.martras you are a weird person blaming fans for a bad owner being a bad owner. Really weird persona you have here.
Rsox
The A’s need every dollar they can get and leaving the bay area kills their tv money and any temporary home is not going to pay big money for the rights to broadcast their games for 3 years. So either find a home within the bay or just go play in blistering heat in AAA stadium in their new home and hope for a big local tv deal in Nevada.
profhambone2
No big TV deal here. Las Vegas might be about 2.4 million but 1/3 of the workforce is not available to be disappointed by Tank-Ball. 3 big 8 hour shifts here during convention season which is about 48 weeks per year (Christmas to New Years Eve is the big fall off here, bargain time). 84% of Nevada is owned and controlled by the BLM. Total population is around 3.5 million, armed to the teeth….. Long drive from Reno to Las Vegas…..Dispensaries everywhere…..Better things to do than pay over-priced tickets to watch a team tanking it for the “owner” while drinking over priced beer and itching to go back the the Strip Club…..
vikingbluejay67
If Manfred really cared he’d try to force a sale. Ownership is the root cause of the whole situation.
BlueSkies_LA
Sure he could use his famous mind control powers over the owners.
acoss13
Manfred would absolutely never do such a thing. It would setup a bad precedent for other owners. No doubt there’s owners that would prefer not to have John Fisher around, but they’re not going to pull such a move. That’s a nonstarter.
BlueSkies_LA
I promise to never attempt irony again.
Braves Butt-Head
The A’s owner John Fisher is worth 2.6 Billion dollars he is trying to create long term value for the franchise to eventually sell. If he takes a the As on the road to a minor league park in Vegas or to another town until the Vegas stadium is ready he will make more money from that than the local TV deal will give him definitely more than the attendance in Oakland will give him.
unpaidobserver
Won’t somebody think of the billionaires?
OaklandKAM
Fisher has never been good at any business. His one “success” in life was being born to very wealthy parents.
daddyshark423
lol he’ll make $70m with the worst team in baseball in a minor league stadium? Sure whatever.
websoulsurfer
He is worth $2.2 billion and only $400 million of that is NOT the A’s and the Earthquakes.
That is why he cannot get financing to build anywhere. He is not liquid enough without placing half the equity in the team on the line and no lender is going to do that.
luca brasi
I don’t think fishers Gap stock is worth $400 million anymore. He has taken a rather big hit in the stock market in recent years. That’s why he has been taking all the revenue from the A’s to prop up his crumbling empire.
Bigtimeyankeefan
It’s a tired act already
dave frost nhlpa
All this over tv revenue? You mean to tell me that Vegas doesn’t have a cable provider? Perfect match would be A’s and Golden Knights forging a tv network.
Play in the triple A park in Vegas and groom your new fan base
OaklandKAM
Vegas is a tiny TV market. There is very little TV money there. Fisher is most happy to make sure he gets a revenue sharing check.
daddyshark423
Vegas has like a third of the population. Even less if you expand the A’s territory out through NorCal. They’ll never get anything close to what they get in the Bay.
profhambone2
All you say is true about us here in Las Vegas. Over 70% of the people who live here say they will not attend games if the A’s come here. The teacher’s union is suing the County about putting money into another stadium for another loser from Oakland and if it goes to a jury here, bet on the rejection of any stadium deal. May be good for what the convention authorities claim but the people who live here know better.. We still remember the NBA All-Star fiasco and that is one reason we have a women’s team and not a man’s team. And they are the champs, not chumps.
The stadium is to be at the corner of Las Vegas Blvd. and Tropicana which is in the Strip itself. Park at the casinos and you will bleed money. It will fail here. We are a gambling town with entertainment. It is always #1 in this city. Everything else is an attraction to get you to gamble. Even the marijuana dispensaries.
Basball’s record with gambling is……
I am a Chicago White Sox fan since 1959.
websoulsurfer
The MLBPA has shot that down. The A’s cannot play in the AAA ballpark in the Las Vegas area.
dasit
in the movie does jim carrey play fisher and jeff daniels play manfred or the other way around?
Super2
Fisher is too weak and proud to stay in Oakland. He’s to cheap and pathetic to move to Vegas. So instead MLB with have 29 major clubs and one 4A traveling clown show for the damned. Really a great move for the owners and Manfred to keep supporting Fisher.
JoeBrady
Really a great move for the owners and Manfred to keep supporting Fisher.
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They are supporting Las Vegas, not Fisher.
OaklandKAM
That’s a bad move. They should tell Fisher to cash in his chips and sell to Lacob and then get an expansion franchise in Vegas. This would be better for everyone, including Fisher if he can ever be honest with himself.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Those A’s city connect jerseys will be fire yo
unpaidobserver
If you mean on fire then yes.
Miles-
This feels simple. A’s fans are getting angry now that it might be real that they leave but they never showed up to the stadium in the first place. Even when they were good, they were bottom 10 in attendance. Even a terrible owner, which the A’s absolutely have, would want to move with that attendance record.
You can ask any owner, what’s the point of putting a good team on the field if you can make more money with a terrible one? And if by putting the terrible team on the field, you have a chance to leave the city that won’t help build you a stadium to one that will not only pay for it, but triple the value of your franchise. Let’s think on this….
A good team, more money towards the players, still the same attendance. A terrible team, less money towards the players, and oh wait, still the same attendance. Plus, leaving city to a new one, don’t have to pay the bill for the stadium, and my franchise value triples. That math, especially to a billionaire, seems to lean one direction. I don’t get how people aren’t understanding this.
daddyshark423
Except he bought the team 20 years ago when attendance was fine. It wasn’t long before that they were top 5 in MLB. He never did anything to try to improve the attendance and now is purposely trying to drive people away. He’s spent years trying to get a stadium in multiple cities in the Bay (not Oakland) and couldn’t get it done anywhere. He finally comes back to Oakland where they raise $500m in grant money to help him build his ridiculous dream stadium and he pulls out at the last minute. If it was simple he could have moved far away years ago.
I don’t how people think this still has something to do with attendance. HE DOESN’T GIVE A F#%K! In fact he wants people to not show up so he can stay in revenue sharing. What do you think he’s expecting big crowds in his little dome in Vegas? I mean the guy’s an idiot but he’s not that stupid. As far as the valuation, it’ll go up wherever he gets a new stadium. Waterfront property in the Bay would boost the value by a ton, which is why that was his first choice.
The point is that anybody who actually likes baseball and cares at all about the integrity of the game should be outraged by this. There are 29 teams and another team being purposely run into the ground. Why should that be allowed when there are obvious alternatives? I guess it’s more important to some people to be a-holes than to actually care about baseball and other fans.
its_happening
You’re right, he has nothing to do with attendance.
That’s on Oakland. They don’t care, the city does not care, and Fisher is (rightly) looking elsewhere. As you said, he does not have anything to do with attendance. Oakland just happened to prove him right. Good logic.
daddyshark423
Who are you even responding to? He has everything to do with attendance. All you have to do is look at what attendance was when he bought the team and track it from there. He’s the common thread that entire time. You think when he sold off every name for pennies on the dollar, stopped upkeep of the stadium and raised season ticket prices, he was expecting a big influx of crowds, LOL? HE DOESN’T WANT PEOPLE TO COME. Not sure how many times that can be said.
OaklandKAM
The low attendance is BECAUSE OF FISHER
its_happening
The first line in your second paragraph.
Unless the owner puts up a blockade, the people don’t want to show up. Put the responsibility where it should be and stop with the BS excuses.
its_happening
The low attendance is because of the fans.
daddyshark423
Right, because that’s how business works. The owner makes the product as miserable as possible and it’s up to the customers to adapt. You obviously when to Wharton or some place like that.
LOL, the hoops you guys are willing to jump through to defend this guy (or crap on A’s fans, whatever your motivation is), never ceases to amaze.
its_happening
So fans had no choice but to NOT go to games?
Wake up an enter the real world.
Minnesota Twins fans saved their franchise from being extracted. Maybe you A’s fans should learn how to support a baseball team rather than whine about an owner. Take some accountability. This is on the A’s fans and lack thereof.
daddyshark423
Ugh, haha. This is some pretty dense stuff here. You somehow got it exactly wrong. Fans have choices. Most people (not you apparently) believe the onus to attract fans/customers is on the owner and management of the team/business. I guess in your world its the fans job to prop up the team in the face of terrible ownership. Well I have a little secret for you: that doesn’t happen in any walk of life. It doesn’t happen in Oakland, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, KC, wherever. Most people who go to games aren’t hardcore fans. They’re not going to sit through three hours of misery to watch a bunch of players they don’t know lose by 7 runs. At this point people don’t want to go because they don’t want to put money in Fisher’s pockets. That’s what a boycott is–it’s a word that originated in Ireland, look it up.
daddyshark423
I just like the idea that John Fisher is sitting there reading his attendance reports wringing his hands with a small tear rolling down his eye. “If only people had come to games, I’d be able to keep the A’s in Oakland [sobs uncontrollably]!” So silly.
its_happening
Fans chose not to go or support the team. Bye bye Oakland.
Simple. Figure it out.
daddyshark423
In your mind it is. The rest of us live in reality.
OaklandKAM
There is no business on earth where the failures of ownership are the “fault” of customers. Anyone saying it is fans fault is a moron.
OaklandKAM
The last long term contract signed by ownership was Eric Chavez almost 20 years go. You blaming fans is comedy.
websoulsurfer
The more this plays out, the more I think the other owners are giving Fisher the rope to hang himself with.
Fisher has been unable to secure financing to build in Las Vegas, he has no state or county money coming, and the site is too small to build a retractable roof ballpark.
The A’s will have no place to play in 2025 as the Coliseum authority has said that the A’s have not contacted them and unless they increased the lease 400% it is not financially feasible to continue to allow the A’s to play there. While the A’s own 50% of the land the Coliseum sits on, they do not own the Coliseum itself. AASEG, a local group, owns the other 50%.
The Giants have said that the A’s cannot play in Oracle Park and its doubtful they would want them interfering with the schedule and progression of their AAA team by playing in Sacramento.
It’s likely that the division rival Angels would have a problem with them doing the same in the ballpark that will house the Angels AAA team.
If Fisher is able to convince the Angels to allow him to play in Salt Lake, or they move to some other AAA ballpark, the A’s lose $70 million or 1/3 of all their revenue for 2025 to 2027.
If Fisher is unable to secure financing for a new ballpark and has no place to play from 2025 on, he may be forced to file bankruptcy or sell.
JoeBrady
More common sense. My guess is that Manfred and the owners like having a team in LV, but not necessarily like Fisher owning the team. IMHO, if Fisher can move to LV without a hitch, all is well. And if Fisher struggles with money, then Manfred forces a partner on him, or encourages him to sell.
websoulsurfer
Why would the other owners like having a team in the 40th largest market and the A’s playing in the smallest park in the game? That makes no sense at all since it will take money out of every other owner’s pockets.
Redstitch108* 2
San Jose is the permanent answer. Giants be damned.
daddyshark423
Probably correct. Honestly a better and more respected owner probably could have gotten that done 15 years ago. He can’t navigate local politics and he can’t navigate MLB politics.
LordTeaboBaggins
I suppose going to Montreal and being the Montreal Eh’s is out of the question?
Willzsco
Not an A’s fan. But, I think what ownership has done to the Oakland fan base is really messed up.
Wolf Hoffmann
The people of Oakland want communism. Which means businesses relying on capitalism will leave. Enjoy your sit-ins, rampant crime and pronouns Oakland. While Las Vegas enjoys professional sporting events .
disadvantage
Wut.
daddyshark423
Obviously the government handing out over a $1b to sports teams is just pure unadulterated capitalism.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Pump the hate brakes, Comrade Wolf! California, and the Bay Area specifically, are the heart of American capitalism.
Careful, or you might be accused of kooky talk.
OaklandKAM
This is a very weird and silly take when these pro sports owners are the ones seeking hundreds of millions in PUBLIC MONEY
Stevieoriole
Maybe I’m ignorant on this, but didn’t Vegas just tell them to stay in Oakland ?
acoss13
The Las Vegas mayor suggested they stay in Oakland, but I believe it’s up to Clark County and they’re not opposed to having the team relocate.
EM41
Maybe the comments of both mayors are rhetoric, but none of the comments of Fisher’s mouthpiece, Dave Kaval have any value either. I expect this circus to continue for months, years because of Fisher’s greed and intransigence.
This one belongs to the Reds
Under the current system, even if they move, except for a spike of curiosity attendance at first, the A’s will end up in the same straits a small market team always is. This will do nothing to solve the underlying problem two thirds of MLB teams face.
daddyshark423
Very true. One of my messages to the people who have “I hate Oakland” blinders on. People are dug in on their views of Oakland (even though they clearly know very little about the Bay Area and the surrounding areas), but at the very least they should understand that there truly are no “magic” markets out there, at least for baseball. Teams will generally do as the owner runs the team. If the team is run well, signs/drafts/keeps some fun players, makes the fan experience fun, people will generally come. Otherwise it’s going to be the same wherever they go.
Mikenmn
I’m not feeling a lot of sympathy for Manfred and Fisher, despite their obvious agony of not yet knowing how much money will be thrown their way, What we are seeing here is the seediness of it all–we like baseball, they view it as a cash cow. I get it that the A’s probably need to move, regardless of how one views Fisher, That being said, maybe they could show a little more class in doing it.
daddyshark423
I think all Oakland (or just Bay Area) fans would like the opportunity to see if a different owner can get it done in the Bay. MLB and Fisher have done a “good” job of muddying the waters on this situation to outside fans: “Oh sure Fisher sucks, but also the city..so it’s kind of a 50/50 thing” And I get why that appeals to people who don’t really want to put a lot of time into this situation. But I think what we’re seeing now is the national audience waking up to the fact that this was probably mostly Fisher and his inability to make deals happen this whole time. There are umpteen billionaires in the Bay Area, most notably Joe Lacob, who could probably grab this situation by the horns and get it done in a matter of years. It just makes too much sense unfortunately, so of course MLB is going in another direction.
waldfee
“Las Vegas mayor Carolyn Goodman made more headlines on Tuesday when she cast doubt on the stadium arrangement in a conversation with Front Office Sports. Goodman subsequently walked those comments back somewhat (on X)…”
After she got reminded that her handlers would demand their bribes back and that the new chalet in Vail didn’t appear out of thin air. Besides, her family could have an accident.
profhambone2
Her husband was the former mayor and the Mob’s lawyer during the great age of Las Vegas before the corporations F-ed up everything…..
JoeBrady
Las Vegas answers to no one.
DanUgglasRing
Fisher is a competent owner Manfred is a competent commissioner and MLB is a very competent organization. Anyway, here’s “wonderwall”….
acoss13
The gaslighting is strong from Manfred’s comments…
profhambone2
There was a poll taken in Las Vegas of people on the street and they were asked if they wanted a baseball team in Las Vegas and if they got the A’s would they attend a game. Over 70% answered no to both questions. The mayor knows this and answered in the way she did. Do I believe it would work as proposed. I have been in Las Vegas for 30 years and I hear no outcry for a MLB team. She knows about the problems Fischer has with MLB and his tanking year after year. She knows Las Vegas is no place for losers and that describes the A’s public image here. No one I have talked to at Jakes thinks it will work and unlike the football team we have (and the dandy who owns it) it has 81 games to show something excellent rather than the other teams or face loads of empty seats as few want to pay for the casino parking lots ($20 plus depending in whose parking lot you use) and overpriced tickets for AAA baseball. We have their AAA team now (and its…..ya know)……
But the A’s are lucky as this is her last term as mayor. Maybe the Dandy football owner will run……
JoeBrady
Of those surveyed, 66% said they support the stadium plan for the A’s to move to Las Vegas, according to the research firm The Mellman Group, which ran the survey on behalf of the team. Another 18% said they were opposed, while 16% said they were undecided. After hearing the specifics of the plan, about 74% of people said they support it.
news3lv.com/news/local/survey-finds-most-las-vegas…
daddyshark423
“Ran the survey on behalf of the team” is doing a lot of lifting in that sentence. Was Jeremy Aguero in charge of that poll?
This article is from May 2023. Methinks the situation has evolved since that time, no?
OaklandKAM
You are citing a poll commissioned by the team where all people have to do is say yes to a question. That’s pretty meaningless.
OriolesOrange
I feel like all these issues should have been resolved prior to the approval of the A’s relocating.
bravesfan
I knew the A’s were a train wreck and poorly managed organization, but after reading this I didn’t realize just how bad it was. How do they not already have most of their future ready to go. How do you put yourself in such a position to loose any leverage in tv contracts. If you have a home and have a strong team in the right market, you can pull strings. But they don’t have either and it’s concerning. My hope is they move to Vegas and embrace the big spending nature and truly gamble on their future. Go get players, lock up your good prospects, bring in personalities that fit Vegas, high energy, high fun. Even ur bench pieces… go grab Trevor Bauer, Puig, heck pull N. Morgan out of retirement. Give that franchise a little spunk. And rebrand. Change your uni’s to black and blue, go from the A’s to the Ace’s. Idc just sell the franchise to people that care, tear it to the ground and restart
CCCTL
The Las Vegas Aces already exist (WNBA).
daddyshark423
MLB’s goal through this whole situation has clearly been apathy. They don’t want real reporting or attention on this, and as a result there are a lot of fans like yourself who have some vague idea of what’s going on with the A’s but no real details. Most people think this is already a done deal, and I bet a lot of them will be surprised come April that the A’s aren’t already playing in LV. There are 29 teams in MLB and then there are the A’s. It’s really kind of amazing. None of the things you’ve suggested will happen as long as John Fisher is around. The only way this turns out well is if he sells the team to somebody like Lacob who will get the Oakland stadium done and a new team expands into Vegas.
User 4204968895
Triple-A field in Las Vegas is the answer until their new place is built.. If they’re moving to Vegas, they should move to Vegas.
Manfred really isn’t a good commissioner. I still can’t believe they pulled MLB Network off YouTubeTV.
daddyshark423
That doesn’t even seem to be an option, and I guess I can kinda see why. It doesn’t seem like the MLBPA wants that–it’s too hot and it’s open air. They have to be able to play some day games in the summer months because of travel schedules, and nobody wants to be out in that heat. Also, they’re about to embark on perhaps four of the worst years of baseball in MLB history. If they present that to the city of Las Vegas for three years before moving into this dinky little dome they’re planning, people will be over it more than they already appear to be.
websoulsurfer
The MLBPA already nixed the AAA park.
Google/YouTube pulled MLB Network, not MLB.
Revenue increased. Team values increased. Even attendance increased. The owners just extended Manfred’s contract. They apparently think he is a good commissioner and since they write his checks, that is what matters.
CarolinaCubsandKush
It would be fitting for the A’s to play in a AAA ballpark. On a serious note, this is embarrassing for the league.
acoss13
No stadium set in stone in Las Vegas, the lease at the Coliseum expires this year and the new stadium has to be ready by 2028 opening day, but Manfred has no issues with how Fisher is handling his team? Good lord the freaking gaslighting is out and about at it’s finest…
BlueSkies_LA
If Manfred has no public issues with how the A’s are handing this relocation (and it seems from his comments that he actually does), then it’s because the other 29 owners don’t have a problem with it. I mean, speaking of gaslighting.
GSWfanklay
They should move to Quebec
SportsFan0000
I agree with Las Vegas Mayor Goodman who said the A’s belong in Oakland and SF Bay Area and that is would be better to work out a deal there. (She backtracked when pressured by her donors).
In a rare moment of candor for an elected official, Mayor Goodman stated that the A’s Las Vegas proposal was “light”, poorly planned and presented, and that A’s Owner John Fischer has already missed many important deadlines.
She stated that the Las Vegas strip site is already overly impacted by traffic jams and that a new stadium on the Las Vegas strip could make problems much worse(assuming that proposed stadium will even draw anywhere close to the fans predicted)
A’s Owner John Fischer still have not presented a viable financing plan to cover his share of a new Stadium in Las Vegas according to Goodman.
Fishcer, apparently, still does not have the cash and credit to make a New Stadium deal viable in Las Vegas, assuming that even the taxpayer financed component goes through and is not torpedoed by lawsuits and .or a ballot initiative blocking the funding.
PROSPOSED SOLUTION: Require John Fishcher to sell the A’s to one of the many billionaires who have indicated interest in buying the A’s and building a new stadium in the SF Bay Area with private funds.
Warriors owner Joe Lacob has a standing offer, for years, to buy the A’s and to build a new privately funded baseball stadium in the SF Bay Area.
Go for it Commissioner Manfred!
It saves you the continuing headaches with John Fischer and the relocation fees and more.
SportsFan0000
si.com/mlb/2022/07/10/joe-lacob-standing-offer-pur…
SportsFan0000
Joe Lacob privately financed the New Golden State Warriors Arena in SF forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/01/17/golden…
SportsFan0000
Las Vegas Mayor says A’s should stay in Oakland theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/06/super-bowl-openi…. and it would solve the problems of the A’s being homeless for 3 years.
SportsFan0000
MLB should consider awarding an MLB Expansion Franchise to Las Vegas.
That would give Las Vegas and Nevada officials ample time to ramp up a viable MLB stadium deal for Las Vegas.
SportsFan0000
And, it would stop the A’s from being a homeless team for 3 years.
Plus, The A’s will get an increased rate of 70M per year for Regional MLB A’s TV Broadcasts in the SF Bay Area each year,.(210M that the A’s are not leaving on the table and forfeiting.
daddyshark423
Definitely. Lost in all this is that the mayor’s comments about the proposed stadium are absolutely correct. From what little we know about it, it’s going to be terrible. Take a look at an overhead shot of the current Tropicana spot, and then look at how big the 9 acre square where a stadium would be is.. It’s like 1/4 or 1/5 of the size. This is not the way to go into a splashy market like Vegas. They want to capture whatever the Raiders have (although nothing has really changed with that franchise on the field) and compete with NBA and NHL? They need an organized plan, including a fresh team with a real owner.
BlueSkies_LA
Be sure the architects can solve the site design issues, but nobody can do much about the traffic on the Strip.
daddyshark423
I mean I’m sure they can make it look kinda cool with angles and colors and things like that, but nothing will change the fact that it’s going to be tiny, especially compared to the resort casino they’re apparently (?) trying to build there too. It’s also a permanent dome, which I think most people assumed we were done with in 2024. That’s certainly not what was sold to the NV legislature and the people of NV when this was all being proposed. Football can’t really fail wherever they go. Baseball can pretty easily fail, and I just don’t see how this ends up going well.
Tacoboutahit
Serious question: How do the A’s have a TV deal worth $70m?!?!
Bold prediction: Three years from now when the A’s and Fisher have been gone from Oakland (and may or may not be playing in Vegas), Oakland will build their new stadium and get an expansion team named the “Oakland OG’s”. You heard it hear first on MLB Trade Rumors.
daddyshark423
It’s just such a huge market advantage. And the team is broadcast all over NorCal, Northern Nevada and Southern Oregon. John Fisher has run the team like it’s poverty and that’s become a self-fulfilling prophecy, but it’s really not a poverty area.
websoulsurfer
Media market size.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
“Meanwhile” needs to be at the start of the sentence, NOT the middle.
disadvantage
Respectfully… shut up. This article did what it set out to do: keep fans informed on a current event in baseball, and sparked some excellent conversations.
If the improper usage of a conjunctive verb bothers you, then feel free to leave.
CptJack
Who made you the boss of this comment section? Stop telling other people what they can or cannot say. Also: he is correct.
disadvantage
@cpt
Nobody. Stop telling me what I can or cannot say.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
You’re not very smart, are you? The name is fitting for how you handle yourself.
disadvantage
I handle myself disadvantage? I mean, you’re probably right, it’s just that whatever insult you were trying hurl at me doesn’t make much sense.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Ok.
disadvantage
Glad we’re in agreement
CptJack
Makes perfect sense to me, disadvantage.
disadvantage
Cool, but I didn’t ask you, though. I asked MNTHE.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
I’m glad we’re in agreement that you’re not very smart.
disadvantage
That would’ve been a flawless comeback if it didn’t take you 8 days to come up with it. A for effort, though!
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Unlike you, some of us aren’t constantly online frequenting comment sections.
disadvantage
I enjoy reading about baseball ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I usually do it while I’m running scripts at work, so it’s the perfect way to fill the time. I also don’t take my misery out on other people by creating a persona around rudely criticizing the people who work their hardest to bring quality news and entertainment over a f*ing hanging conjunctive verb, and I believe I am happier as a result, so maybe you should try that.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
A happy person inserts themselves into comment threads online telling people to shut up and policing what people should say/do in a comment section, and says they should leave? Ok sure, keep believing that.
disadvantage
If the person I am telling to shut up and policing is a net negative to the comment section, then yes, my happiness increases when that person leaves.
CptJack
This pot is still here calling a kettle black?
disadvantage
Gesturing at perceived hypocrisy is amongst the weakest form of argument, but here’s your golden star for effort.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Not as weak as you telling me to just leave because you didn’t like my point.
Again, who made you the boss of the comment section? “Net negative” is laughable. As if you’re keeping stats. If you think comments are where to go to find constructive discussion on the internet, I’ve got news for you.
You could just mute me, but you’re just here continuing to make yourself look bad for… reasons? Your own vanity?
disadvantage
Nah, I’ve just found this kind of entertaining. But you’re right, I am starting to get bored of you.
Here’s the thing: I really like MLBTR. I think the guys are honest and hard-working. I also don’t know their financials. Heck, maybe they are loaded! But I get the sense they don’t have all sorts of funds lying around to throw at an editor. And given that they are human, I feel like they do an excellent job providing timely and well-written content that sparks interesting conversations.
So I don’t know what inspired you to create an account just to put down the writers over an incredibly pedantic typographical error—maybe you were having a really bad day?—but you came across as a bully, not somebody willing to have a constructive conversation. So was my response to tell you to shut up and leave “weak”? I still stand by it, but sure, I’ll own that it was “weak.” I’d also like you to step into my shoes and determine if you would have come up with a “stronger” point in that scenario when the person didn’t come across as a beacon of having a good-faith conversation. Given your pushback was going after my username—a weird strategy since my username is already mildly self-deprecating—I’m guessing not.
Anyway, that’s it for me. Feel free to respond; you can have the last word. You can even call me an idiot if you’d like! But if you want to have another conversation, you can find me in the comment section, and I’d love to talk baseball.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
You know what I would have done instead of trying to make a stronger point? I’d just not have engaged and tried to white-knight for writers on a website I read.
Schmippso
The A’s could get a cheap waterfront stadium along the shores of the Salton Sea in Bombay Beach, California. Rename the team the Inland Empire A’s.