Yankees ace and reigning American League Cy Young winner Gerrit Cole is headed for an MRI on his right elbow, manager Aaron Boone told reporters Monday morning (X link via Newsday’s David Lennon). Cole hasn’t been recovering as well between throwing sessions and will get his elbow checked out to determine if there’s an injury at play. The imaging will take place today.
Cole will receive multiple opinions on the status of his elbow, and the Yankees don’t expect to announce a prognosis today or even tomorrow, tweets Bryan Hoch of MLB.com.
Boone didn’t provide additional details. The organization’s level of concern regarding a potential serious injury isn’t clear, though imaging performed on any pitcher’s elbow is an ominous sign. That’s particularly true in a Yankees rotation that can ill afford to lose its ace. Granted, no team is built to withstand the loss of a reigning Cy Young winner, but the rotation behind Cole is filled with a series of question marks.
The first season of Carlos Rodon’s six-year, $162MM contract with the Yankees played out in disastrous fashion. After a dominant two-year run between the White Sox and Giants from 2021-22, Rodon was limited by injuries in 2023, logging just 14 starts (64 1/3 innings) and yielding a grisly 6.85 ERA with strikeout and walk rates that both trended heavily in the wrong direction (22.4% and 9.8%, respectively — down from 33.9% and 7.1% in the two seasons prior).
A strained left rotator cuff limited southpaw Nestor Cortes Jr. to a near-identical slate of 63 1/3 frames in 2023. He’s broken out with a pair of sub-3.00 ERA campaigns over the two preceding seasons. While Cortes maintained strong strikeout and walk rates, he became even more fly-ball heavy, inducing grounders at a minuscule 26% clip. He saw his HR/9 mark spike from 0.91 the year prior to 1.56 in 2023. Cortes didn’t see a disproportionate number of his fly-balls leave the yard (just 11%), but the sheer volume of balls in the air worked against him both at home (1.45 HR/9) and on the road (1.73 HR/9).
The Yankees picked up Marcus Stroman on a two-year, $37MM contract this offseason to help solidify the rotation, but he’s coming off an injury-marred season of his own. Stroman was in the NL Cy Young conversation with a strong first few months of the ’23 season before being rocked in July and placed on the injured list due to a hip injury. While rehabbing, he was diagnosed with fractures in his rib cartilage that further slowed his return to the mound. He made it back for four appearances late in the season but didn’t pitch particularly well. After carrying a 2.88 ERA through his first 20 starts, Stroman pitched just 18 more innings on the season and was lit up for 26 runs (22 earned) in that time.
Right-hander Clarke Schmidt finished second on the team with 32 starts and 159 innings pitched, though he turned in back-of-the-rotation results due in large part to his own susceptibility to home runs. Schmidt looks like he can at least be an innings eater this season, but he’s yet to have the same type of MLB success that any of his rotationmates has enjoyed in the past. There’s surely hope within the organization that the former top prospect can take a step forward, but his ability to do so (or lack thereof) will be even more pivotal if it’s determined that Cole has any type of notable injury.
The depth options behind that top quintet are shakier still. Veteran Luke Weaver inked a one-year, $2MM deal late in the offseason and seems ticketed for a swingman role, but he could start games if Cole requires any kind of absence. Weaver pitched well in three starts for the Yanks late last season but had a collective 6.40 ERA between Cincinnati, Seattle and New York — his third time in the past four seasons recording an ERA north of 6.00.
Down on the farm, the Yankees have righties Luis Gil, Clayton Beeter and Yoendrys Gomez on the 40-man roster. Gil has the most big league experience, and impressive as he was through six starts in 2021, he’s pitched just 29 2/3 total innings over the past two years owing to Tommy John surgery. Gomez pitched two MLB innings last year. Beeter has not reached the majors. Prospect Will Warren had a nice year between Double-A and Triple-A in 2023 but isn’t yet on the 40-man roster. He’s in camp as a non-roster invitee, however. Fellow prospect Chase Hampton and southpaw Tanner Tully were also NRIs this spring, but both have already been reassigned to minor league camp.
The mere possibility of an injury to Cole will rekindle speculation regarding free agents Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery, both of whom have been tied to the Yankees at various points in the offseason. The Yankees reportedly made a five-year offer to Snell before pivoting to sign Stroman. The two sides have remained in touch with Snell, in particular, but a match has looked like a long shot given the massive tax implications that come with signing either lefty. The Yankees are a third-time luxury offender and are already in the highest tier of luxury-tax penalization. That means in addition to any actual salary for the upcoming season, they’ll pay a 110% tax on any additional contract’s average annual value. A $25MM AAV would come with a $27.5MM tax hit. A $30MM would carry a $33MM hit — and so on.
Previously, with a fully healthy rotation, such a lavish expenditure seemed unlikely. If the Yankees are facing a prolonged absence for Cole, however, that type of massive financial commitment could become far more plausible. Snell has reportedly been amenable to short-term, opt-out laden contracts with high annual salaries, while it seems Montgomery has been more focused on a longer-term contract. At this point of spring, however, it’s also worth wondering just how ready either free agent would be for Opening Day. A return to the trade market shouldn’t be discounted as a possibility, though the asking price on arms like Dylan Cease, Jesus Luzardo and others has been staggeringly high throughout the offseason (hance the lack of trade for either hurler).
Yankee Clipper
NOOOOOOOO!
YankeesBleacherCreature
My exact reaction, Clip. NOOOOOOO!!!
Fever Pitch Guy
YBC – Not good for the game, hope he is okay.
paosfan
Good for the al east…
Blue Baron
@Fever Pitch Guy: No worse than any other guy getting hurt.
And “not good for the game” is more of a tired cliché than a meaningful statement.
LonnieB
Good for MLB opposing teams
Sweeper
@Blue Baron: This comment is confusing to me. The sport is at its best when the most elite players in the world are on field and are healthy. If you think potentially losing the reigning CY is “no worse than any other guy getting hurt” then please rethink how you view the league.
I hope that this makes FPG’s statement a little more meaningful to you.
Card AG
I don’t think the game has a single bit of it hurt if Cole is hurt. Sucks for Yankees fans but not a single fan will stop watching because of it
Card AG
I agree with that guy. There’s zero backlash when it comes to fans watching and whatnot if Cole is injured.
stymeedone
Will probably just require a minor amputation, or two advil. Just waiting on the MRI.
Fever Pitch Guy
Blue – I know you like to be contradictory, but I won’t even address your first sentence because Sweeper already did so magnificently.
As for your second sentence, I personally haven’t seen that sentiment expressed often enough to view it as a “tired cliche” and I can say with certainty I haven’t written it on this site more than one other time, if at all.
It’s not very often that one of the game’s very best players sustains a major injury in the middle of his prime that will likely cost him at least one and a half seasons.
Just curious, if Ohtani were to get injured today and miss the entire season would you still deny it’s not good for the game?
Fever Pitch Guy
Sweeper – Thank you, very well said.
Even though I am a fan of a rival team, first and foremost I am a baseball fan. Beating the best when they are healthy is much sweeter and rewarding than winning only because of an injury.
Fever Pitch Guy
Card – When you say not a single fan, do you mean Yankee fan or baseball fan?
No true baseball fan would stop watching just because one player gets injured. But still, it’s not good for the game because it lessens the competition, it makes the Yankees less competitive which means less enjoyable to watch them while rooting for or against them.
Not sure how you can’t understand that.
Blue Baron
It doesn’t lessen the competition if it leads to a young player getting the opportunity to step up and he performs well.
Blue Baron
@FPG: Zack Wheeler missed two full seasons in 2015 and 2016 because of TJS.
Jacob deGrom missed an entire calendar year with the Mets and will miss at least that again with the Rangers because of his elbow.
Justin Verlander missed an entire season with TJS.
Stephen Strasburg, Matt Harvey, and others had their careers ended by arm injuries.
I could go on and on, but I made my point that it’s not as rare as you think, and the game has gone on and been fine every time.
And that’s why “not good for the game” is more of a trite, throwaway line – a cliché – than anything else.
My opinion, of course.
Blue Baron
@Sweeper: Try to be less judgmental about how someone who might disagree with you “views the league.”
The_M4N
Another awesome post by @Blue Baron.
The_M4N
@Blue Baron, suppositions and condionals. If this and that…
The_M4N
Pot meet kettle.
Hey @Blue Baron, do you want to talk baseball? Or, you just bust everyone’s balls for your enjoyment?
Blue Baron
You’re not part of my family, and you have no right to use my photo.
Blue Baron
@The_M4N: When I disagree with someone, I express my opinion.
If you have a problem with that, go pound sand.
User 3921286289
Again, my apologies. Stuart has no concept of how to treat others with kindness, respect, or dignity.
Fever Pitch Guy
Blue – If another player in the organization was just as good as Cole, at the very least he’d already be in the rotation.
I don’t understand why you are trying to devalue Cole. Is there some kind of rivalry between the Dodgers and Yanks that is tainting your judgement? Or is it just because he’s not a Dodger?
Sweeper
@Blue Baron: As you mentioned, the only positive that can come from losing a player of this caliber is someone stepping up and performing due to this injury. However, currently that player looks to be Luke Weaver and… I don’t really need to expand on why Gerrit Cole is preferred here. Not to mention a player would have to step up and perform on Cole’s level to even it out, per se.
Also, regarding being less judgmental; I think I speak for most of the respectful, non-contradictory, insightful MLBTR community when I say you should heed your own advice 🙂
Have a nice day, BB!
Blue Baron
“Respectful, non-contradictory, insightful”
There you go being judgmental again.
Guess it’s OK when you do it, huh?
Blue Baron
@FPG: Not trying to devalue Cole or anyone else. He’s a great player.
I just think you overstated the case with your “not good for the game” bromide.
The_M4N
@Blue Baron: I mean, if you are this way in real life… sand is the only thing you’re pounding.
SODOMOJO
Hang in there boys, it’s Hampton and Warren time
Mrivers
Yeah. OK.
Anthony maresca
You mean Warren and Beeter time. Hampton 2 yrs away at a minimum
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Hey Cash, Scott Boras is on Line # 1.
Armaments216
So my client tells me he’s getting an MRI…
Unclemike1526
Well that’s not good. What’s Snell’s phone number again?
NoSaint
@Unclemike1526
6yrs, 28M AAV (according to Heyman)
mlb fan
“What’s Snell’s phone number again”…Why would anyone want Snell’s number now if they didn’t want it before. Snell can’t do what Gerrit Cole does and you’ll need Snell AND Monty to suitably replace Gerrit Cole. You had better keep your fingers crossed if you are a Yankee fan.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Umm, Cash, Chris Getz on Line # 2.
Unclemike1526
Cole is probably the best starting P in baseball right now. No one guy is going to replace that. Snell -QO pick- Monty- No pick, Make a choice. They’re lucky they’re both still available right now.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Gets is saying something about Robert Urich, Avery Brooks, Ron McLarty and Barbara Stock.
And then something about Harrison Ford and Sean Connery.
Could that be … Spencer …. Jones ….?
dm867
So you’re saying you’d rather have Cole than Snell and Montgomery? I’d rather have two quality arms than one. Two days of quality starts vs one?
I.M. Insane
You can reach Snell at 1-800-OVERPAY
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I.M.
His new number is 1-800-Cy-Young
Shawn W.
Cole is extension #1.
(won the Cy Young as well)
PoisonedPens
LOL. Not going to happen, Indiana!
Card AG
They did want it though. Many do, including the Yankees who tried to get him.
That’s a dumb comment. He just won the cy young. To pretend teams don’t want him is ridiculous
stymeedone
1-800-TOO-MUCH
pogo
Gotta stay more positive….. send good vibes out there. It’s not good news but not likely season ending right?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Who knows? But it’s safe to say he’ll get shut down and potentially miss OD bc they have so much riding on him.
Albert Belle's corked bat
“Will receive multiple opinions”…. Sounds like TJ surgery
lamars
shhhh!!
SonnySteele
They can get multiple opinions right here.
avenger65
pogo: I’m not a fan of the Yankees, but this is definitely bad news. Actually, with all the pitchers that have already gone down with arm injuries, I’m afraid I’m not too surprised. Maybe all pitchers should have tjs as soon as they’re drafted just to get it over with.
Fever Pitch Guy
Avenger – The number of pitchers who need two TJS is rapidly increasing. Eovaldi has had two. Ohtani has had two. Giolito likely needs a second.
MLB has to put a stop to how pitchers are being used these days, it’s clearly putting pitchers at higher risk.
Teach them how to PITCH rather than THROW as hard as they can.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@FPG There’s no easy solution to this. Ban hard sliders and place a cap on spin rate?
Dogbone
Or teams need to start considering 6 man rotations. Starters pitch once a week – as they do in the minors.
JoeBrady
That’s not something teachable. With millions on the table, pitchers will throw whatever they think will get a batter out.
And that’s not including the will to win. Guys throw their bodies around trying to win weekend softball games.
Fever Pitch Guy
YBC – No, I am never for creating rules when it can be easily handled voluntarily and individually.
I would shorten bullpen use, place expectations on starting pitchers to go at least 6 innings, and teach them to throw upper velo fastballs ONLY at opportune times … not all the time. The great pitchers of the past would always save some gas for their last inning or two, which was usually the 7th-8th. We need to get back to that, mix in more offspeed stuff. Not everyone needs to be a Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, guys like Maddux and Moyer were effective with far less velo.
MacGromit
Maybe Jennie Finch could do some clinics in fast pitch underhand.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Place expectations on SP’s to go into the 7th each game, that will get them to learn how to conserve energy and not overthrow.
Albert Belle's corked bat
No more shifts, pitch clock, juiced ball, no stickey stuff……What works for a pitcher anymore?. MLB has stacked the deck against them.
frankpr21
Stop messing with the clock. Pitchers are not robots they are human beings. Putting pressure to throw pitches every 18 seconds change the mechanics. This a very stupid idea. Instead of shorting seconds they should add seconds, 20 to 25. They have added a lot of pressure on pitchers to deliver. All that is messing with their mechanics. We will see more and more pitchers getting hurt.
frankpr21
Stop messing with the clock. Pitchers are not robots they are human beings. Putting pressure to throw pitches every 18 seconds change the mechanics. This a very stupid idea. Instead of shorting seconds they should add seconds, 20 to 25. They have added a lot of pressure on pitchers to deliver. All that is messing with their mechanics. We will see more and more pitchers getting hurt.
TheMan 3
In my youth, pitchers like Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Bob Gibson, Juan Marichal, Ferguson Jenkins and Nolan Ryan as examples, all had explosive careers and not one ever required Tommy John surgery
I completely agree with what @ Fever Pitch Guy said. The pitchers of my youth knew how to pitch
CleaverGreene
Koufax had a bad elbow until he just could not lift his arm above his shoulder and retired at the top of his game.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dog – Six man rotations mean one less reliever in the bullpen. Managers like Cora would have a meltdown if they have only 7 relievers in their pen.
Fever Pitch Guy
frank – The TJS epidemic was going on long before the pitch clock.
FACT: On ESPN’s Baseball Tonight show (August 24, 2010) analyst Curt Schilling predicted rookie pitcher Stephen Strasburg would need TJS surgery BEFORE he showed any symptoms of injury. He said Strasburg’s mechanics placed enough added strain to cause the injury.
If Schilling can see it on a TV monitor, why can’t the pitcher’s team see it?
JoeBrady
In my youth, pitchers like
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You are engaging in selection bias. You are using pitchers that you know lasted a long time, to prove that ALL pitchers can last a long time.
In the early ’80s, the WS had an entire rotation that left the game early. Same with the NYMs at some point.
JoeBrady
Are there any teams that regularly us 6-man rotations?
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Angels did when Ohtani was in the rotation.
TheMan 3
Koufax had arthritis which I too have and I’m not a major league pitcher
TheMan 3
apparently you suffer from reading comprehension skills, I used pitchers as examples who had tremendous careers and didn’t need TJ surgery
I could also include Tom Seaver to that list
LonnieB
A lot do have it in high school, college or their first years in the minors. As far as Braves go Strider and Fried both had TJ before reaching MLB. That’s just one rotation.
Chris Sabo's Glasses
Tommy John did!
LonnieB
MLB doesn’t need to do anything. These guys are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money. They get hurt and have the best doctors in the world repair them and then they are back at it.
Real world people= work hard, get hurt, deal with workers comp and an endless circle of B$, settle for half, sign up for disability.
Fever Pitch Guy
TheMan – Roger Clemens never needed TJS either,
dasit
the chances of that was like one in a million. it’s almost as big of a coincidence as lou gehrig getting lou gehrig’s disease
metsgolf
Ron Darling has been screaming that for along time. They are more concerned with mph than knowing how to pitch.
SteveC
@TheMan 3: Of your list, only Nolan Ryan, Fergie Jenkins and Bob Gibson were active MLB pitchers when the first UCL reconstruction was performed on Tommy John in 1974. Gibson pitched only 1 more season. Koufax immediately comes to mind as someone whose career is extended if such a procedure were available at the time.
avenger65
Fever: Throwing 98, 99, 100 mph is one problem. But I also think pitchers should be taught to use their legs to generate power, not strictly their arm. Tom Seaver is a great example of that and he pitched long enough to win 300 games. How many of today’s pitchers are going to come close to that number?
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
I agree Fever. Greg Maddux is a prime example. Probably never see another starting pitcher like him again.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Curt Schilling has a very high baseball iq. He also got robbed from the HOF.
ws_champs
Remember that great pitch clock idea to speed up the game and give pitchers less rest in between throws?
JackStrawb
@Fever Pitch Guy pointing to all-time greats as exemplars for the average MLB pitcher simply won’t work.
Maddux for example had pinpoint control and a big strike zone to work in. Asking guys to emulate him is like pointing to Usain Bolt and advising your runners to “run like him. That’s all you have to do.”
Better rethink that advice, my friend.
JackStrawb
At the least I’d give a pitcher ONE longer time control during his time on the mound. The uncertainty makes for a real chess game.
JackStrawb
@TheMan3 Here we go again. Pointing to guys with almost unique arm strength and longevity to serve as the example for everyone else is just… well… it’s silly.
You want young guys to pitch like Ryan? Perhaps 0.1% would survive.
Also, you know that Koufax’s arm was ruined, right?
As for everyone else, the minors under the Gibson / Jenkins regime were littered with wrecked arms, wrists, shoulders. think Jim Bouton, who was far more the norm than the guys you point to.
America needs a mandatory course in Statistics 101, and How They Work, What they Mean.
LonnieB
If they knew HOW to pitch and keep the game exciting without injuries they would….no one wants Cole hurt but no one wants to see him throw 87 and get hit for 6 bombs a game either. This outlook would say how to we take hitters with analytics back to 1986.
Lefties
This is MLB’s fault? A hitter’s perception of a fastball (high school throughout MLB) has changed dramatically in the last 10-15 years. It would be difficult to tell these upcoming pitchers to tone it down in terms of velocity when the precedent has already been set. Have we reached entropy yet? Who knows. I do know that someone can turn on a 103 MPH fastball if it’s not located right; but I also know that 103 MPH fastball will get you some money too. It’s not MLB’s fault, it’s the money that drives the game…just like any other sport. Jonathon Ross ran the fastest time ever at the NFL combine and caught like 20 career passes. Chicks used to dig the long balls and now they love them some stinky cheese.
Lefties
This can’t work. Because behind the guy that is maxing out his fastball on pre-arb years is another guy trying to take his spot maxing out his fastball. There will never be another Greg Maddux, Mussina, yada yada yada. Hitters’ eyes are too keen now. Just tell your son to be a pitcher and throw as hard as he can. Hopefully he’s a lefty.
Lefties
Will only change when GMs, owners realize they’re not making good on their investments. All comes down to the almighty dollar. Talkin like 6-10 years.
GhostOfKevinElster
Stop talking about the past. Nobody wants to watch 82 mph fastballs and lollipop curves. These guys are miles above where they were even 20 years ago and making that much more too. Keep that foot in the past and you Will stay pi@sing on the present. Embrace it
vinc3nt3
Thats why he was The Professor.
Joe says...
It’s not what you want.
Very Barry
Welp ……. Looks like Marcus Stroman is gonna be the ace. I love me some Carlos Rodon, but his season will be over due to injury before the month of June.
lamars
Yep and I hate the Yankees with a passion. But I would hate for them to lose Cole to major injury. Might be forced to drop the best pitcher in the league from my keep league.
I.M. Insane
Ruh-roh!
rottenboyfriend
This is why U can’t go more than 4 years on free agent pitching contracts! Cole is now out for the next 2 seasons and there is still 200M owed on his contract! How many of these long term pitching contracts ever work out for the team? Rodon’s contract blew up on year one! U can go longer term on position players but it’s too risky with pitchers!
Jack5102
Oh no…
King Floch
I’m an O’s fan but you still really hate to see it. Hopefully it isn’t what everyone thinks it is, baseball is better when its biggest stars are healthy and on the field.
Citizen1
A few pickup basketball games and good as new!
billdoran
That sucks Clip, he’s one of the great ones to watch pitch. Many miles away hoping for the best.
swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123
no.. PLEASE NOOOO!!!
davidk1979
Blake Snell waits by the phone
Guard the Vogt
Damn you. Beat me to it.
Fever Pitch Guy
Guard – I know the Yanks have been linked to Snell, but why would they prefer him over Monty? Especially with their tax situation, seems like the less expensive of the two would make more sense for them. Plus the familiarity Monty has with the Yanks and vice versa.
Poolhalljunkies
Fpg. Because snell is on record as being willing to take a shorter term deal vs monty wanting 7 years
YankeesBleacherCreature
@FPG They’ve got too much invested this season after acquiring Soto. Snell has the higher upside and I believe whatever savings on Monty will be marginal for them at this point if either were to sign. I’m also not quite sure Monty wants to be back after they dropped him from their previous postseason roster. Perhaps money will talk.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pool – Understood, but I would think for the Yanks’ tax position they’d rather have lower & longer than shorter & bigger.
Damn the way I worded that doesn’t sound good!
Fever Pitch Guy
YBC – Thanks, valid point about the past but I thought the Yanks did say they had some interest in Monty earlier in the offseason?
I do realize with the Yanks’ strong bullpen they can accommodate a short inning pitcher like Snell better than most teams.
PuttPutt⁰³
LOL
One of the teams that BUY whoever they want because they can. MLB salary situation is broken and the Yankees are one of the teams that TRY to exploit that. I say try because look at the under performing by this team the last 20 years.
In that time, this team should have multiple championships,
EMBARRASSMENT.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If Cole injury is serious – and I am not saying that it is – would the Yankees consider folding and trading Soto for prospects?
Imagine Soto replacing Jason Heyward or Jerrad Kelenic.
But at least you have Stroman as your Ace.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I don’t think the Yankees have been linked to Monty at all thus far. But then again Cashman/Boras has atypically limited the noise this offseason.
FatChance65
Fever—Size matters. lol
beezie vibes
Dumbest comment thus far
StusFirstDollar
Snell going to take 6 years at least now
StusFirstDollar
You sure? Lots of Yankee fans in here
LonnieB
Braves don’t have the prospect capital to replace kelenic with Soto. 1 year rental for prospects isn’t ATL type of trade anyways unless he was willing to sign a team friendly extension immediately and we all know Soto is about to get ultra paid.
Anthony maresca
My thoughts exactly. They will roll with what they have but if say by June they are horrible and so far out of the race I have no doubt they do major house cleaning. They will deal Soto and Torres at a minimum to contenders for an absolute haul. Holmes could be dealt too as they essentially replenish the farm. Perfect time to see what Beeter, Gil and Warren can do to evaluate needs for 2025. They can still make a run at Soto end of year but it’s doubtful he returns to Yankees after getting dealt regardless of the money
stymeedone
If the less expensive is needed, try Clevenger or Lorenzen.
kingbum
Fever- They prefer Snell because Snell is willing to do a short-term deal. No one wants to give Monty a 7 year deal. I’d say until philosophies change doing any long-term deal for any pitcher is risky business.
beyou02215
I don’t think the Yankees can sign Snell. To much money in luxury tax obligations
avenger65
beyou: Yes, but if the Yankees want to be the Yankees, they might have to go over the luxury tax.
beyou02215
True. But $50 M (plus?) a year for Snell is exorbitant. We’ll just have to see how it shakes out.
MacGromit
@beyou
Wonder what a $50MM commitment and lux tax would do on the Soto negotiations as well. There’s a downstream domino effect of this imagining concern on Cole’s arm.
Plugnplay
More like 70m+, a short term 3 year deal for Snell, u better believe it will be a higher avv.
Very Barry
If Cole is out …. The Yankees season is OVER before it even started.
nukeg
Signing a terrible contract to cure terrible news is usually a pathway to success.
filihok
nukeg
“Signing a terrible contract to cure terrible news is usually a pathway to success.”
Signing a good player to your team usually is
Bright Side
Either that, or say goodbye to Spencer Jones.
nailz#4life
or Jasson
damancash
Jones to Miami for Jesus
mlb fan
“Miami for Jesus”…Jesus has all the answers of time, space and the universe, but even Jesus cannot overcome all the bad deals, lack of foresight and reactionary signings of the Cashman era.
dasit
plus boras has advised jesus to hold out for multiple opt-outs
DBH1969
Let’s be honest… Snell to Yanks, Monty to Sox?
Neither makes the playoffs. So why spend the cheddar?
Lost year for both teams… again
Very Barry
Facts
James Midway
Boras saw this news and did the Carlton dance around his office.
Bright Side
Cole is also a Client,
James Midway
Bright this is true but Cole and Boras get paid if he is on the mound or not. He already squeezed that orange for all the juice he will. Now he can benefit from Cole’s issue and get paid even more.
Jason Hanselman
If Blake Snell had any interest in playing in that city he would have already signed.
mlb fan
“Blake Snell waits”…Well he can keep on waiting, because he cannot replicate what Gerrit Cole Brings, which is a true #1. Snell is somewhere between a #2 and a number 3, depending on the year and day of the week. The only one that believes Snell can carry Cole’s jockstrap is Scott Boras.
Sideline Redwine
lol bitter much?
Snell: two Cy Youngs
Cole: one Cy Young
Not saying Snell is better, simply saying your personal bias reflects a bit of irrationality.
Very Barry
Ya’ll keep thinking the White Sox ain’t gonna get what they want for Dylan Cease???? Cole goes down, and a whole lot of teams suddenly will see Dylan Cease as their pass to the Promised Land, as the Yankees won’t be that team.
FYI …. Orioles …. The price went up for you guys. Wasted too much of our time earlier. You can keep Holiday ….. It’s gonna take pretty much everything else.
JoeBrady
Cease won’t be getting the return you are hoping for. His career 3.83 ERA is nice, but not great. 5.43 IPs/GS?
MacGromit
@Barry
White Sox can keep Cease. Orioles will do what they can with what they have. Or if the ownership gets approved before Monty is off the market, maybe him if he’s willing to take a little short term contract.
runningwithnailclippers
This sort of situation is probably what Boras was hoping for all along. A late spring training issue to a star pitcher on a big money team to go down.
deeds
There goes my fantasy season.
hiflew
I’m sure Gerrit Cole will be sending you his condolences on your loss any time now.
baseballpun
HE DAMN WELL BETTER
DanUgglasRing
Send him your elbow then and when you win 150$ for finishing third you can venmo over 40$ for some dominoes.
Yanks4life22
Don’t throw in the towel yet. I’m steering towards staying away from pitchers as keepers anyway being it’s a land mine style strategy in drafting healthy/productive SP’s. Keep your next best position player and you might be better off.
Hammerin' Hank
Yeah, losing one pitcher, even a great one, shouldn’t doom one’s season in fantasy.
lamars
Red Sox fan here, why wouldn’t I want the best pitcher in the league on my keeper team? A healthy Cole is better than any position player as they are a dime a dozen.
stymeedone
Because you can’t count on pitchers being healthy, duh!
Salzilla
So many leagues drafted this weekend including mine. I didn’t grab Cole in any, but yeah I get it. Second round pick overall, that’s a tough one to lose. Still, the season hasn’t started and you don’t win on one pitcher, chin up.
Yanks4life22
Dam that sucks….we don’t draft until the 26th for this reason….keepers aren’t due until the 19th. The games in Japan aren’t going to to count towards any play. It was a contested decision but looking like a wise one with some players already going down. I already lost Bradish as a last round keeper.
Salzilla
You gotta have your drafts before opening day to count every game otherwise you leave too much to speculative what ifs. Yahoo also counts the Korea series so that’s why folks are drafting earlier this year.
Injuries are part of it, it is what it is. I had Ohtani everywhere last year and came in second twice. Obviously the chances of me winning those leagues would have dramatically increased, but who knows.
Fwiw I would have rejected that deal too. Hard to trade for Acuna, even injured, but I got him last year with Alonso and Elly in a regular redraft so you never know!
runningwithnailclippers
Grabs the worlds smallest violin for you. I am sorry for your loss.
GhostofRandySavage
Yikes. Not good for the yankees. Welcome to New york Blake snell.
ws_champs
An injury here would derail the whole season for the Yankees. More reason to have depth standing by.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Can Juan Soto pitch?
Nervehammer
It’s funny because it’s true.
avenger65
Realistically, a P gets about 30-33 starts a season. If Cole won, say, all 33 of his starts, they would still have to get 60 or so wins from somewhere. Forget Snell. Get Denny McLain on the line!
Hammerin' Hank
Or Dizzy Dean!
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Better than he can play left field.
gcg27
Yup. .. Orioles are loaded. Luv me some Orioles. We gonna be juggernaut this year.
C Yards Jeff
Hope you are right gcg27, hope you’re right.
That said, I thought the key to Os SP success last season was health. Outside of Wells with an arm fatigue non injury issue being sent down in July, rest of staff that broke from ST made it through the year. Heck, Bradish and Means are already sidelined. Gulp.
StusFirstDollar
Orioles 77 win season incoming
YankeesBleacherCreature
I’ll take the over on that all day even prior to this Cole news.
MacGromit
I’ll take the over on that 77. I don’t see 101 again due to the kids having standard Big League growing pains in learning to adjust once the book is out on their weaknesses at the plate but they’ll right the ship like both Adley and Gunnar did.
tigers182
RIP
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well, he is not dead yet!
avenger65
Lefty: Just his arm is.
Nosferatu Zodd
It’s just a flesh wound.
Guard the Vogt
And that kids, is how Blake Snell became a Yankee.
LambchoP
Wonder if he goes on the IL if Monty or Snell finally sign?
Tacoshells
Ruh roh
Tacoshells
Here comes the Snell!!!
User 401527550
Why would the Yankees spend an extra 70 mil on a lost season?
Plugnplay
Yup, and it will be 70m+.
slowcurve
Modern pitchers are made of literal glass.
'Tang It
Because they all throw 1000mph
Old York
@slowcurve
Mainly due to such a focus on throwing as hard as you can, all the time, instead of being strategic about it and using it when they need it. Just look at Kyle Hendricks. He has never had the velocity but understands how to pitch and has put together a very respectable career of 9.081 service time.
CleaverGreene
Hendricks had had shoulder and elbow problems.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Slower pitchers still put a great effort to throw those velocities. The difference is the mechanics aren’t tuned efficiently as those throwing absolute gas. Each has their own issues that lead to injury because of the stress and effort they’ve added. Grinding with poor mechanics leads to wear. Fine tuned mechanics struggle if some tiny issue stresses out their elbow UCL.
The main thing is that guys pushing it like Fast & Furious think they’ll be Vin Desiel but end up like Paul Walker.
Os1995
Yeah I have heard people use the terms high effort vs low effort throwing to better describe things because a low velocity pitch can be high effort if that is near the top of what that pitcher can throw. Pitchers would have fewer injuries by throwing lower effort pitches but the challenge is remaining competitive while doing so. There will always be pitchers willing to burn out there arms to get that big league paycheck.
Tom the ray fan
It’s an unnatural human motion, obviously guys are going to hurt. Throw on top of that each time is at full force and modern pitching injuries is what we get.
MacGromit
maybe we should just put the ball on something like a little stand, I’d call it a “tee”.
frankpr21
No,I believe this is the problem.
Stop messing with the clock. Pitchers are not robots they are human beings. Putting pressure to throw pitches every 18 seconds change the mechanics. This a very stupid idea. Instead of shorting seconds they should add seconds, 20 to 25. They have added a lot of pressure on pitchers to deliver. All that is messing with their mechanics. We will see more and more pitchers getting hurt.
DanUgglasRing
The clock argument is so weak. This has been happening for several years already.
Mustard Tiger
@frankpr21 Watch a game from the 1970’s or 1980’s. You can find them on YouTube. Pitchers didn’t need a pitch clock then because they got on the mound worked quickly–and those pitchers were not going down like flies.
StusFirstDollar
Modern pitchers can’t take steroids.(they do but ya know)
Buzzz Killington
Every Yankees fan knew this would likely happen at some point.
ohyeadam
A pitcher who doesn’t miss a season or two over that long is a rare thing for sure
LordD99
Mr. Steinbrenner, there’s a Scott Boras on line one. Scott Boras, line one.
Os1995
This is exactly the type of thing Boras was hoping to get bailed out by.
User 401527550
This isn’t going to bail him out. Yankees aren’t spending 70-80 million to fix this problem.
Buzzz Killington
Yeah the Yankees are more likely now to go out and sign Michael Lorenzen. Snell is way to costly already without mentioning the tax.
Rexhudler86
@buzzz would say bauer, but the media would rip him apart.
Buzzz Killington
Yeah Bauer is definitely a no go. Definitely teams that wouldn’t mind some of the baggage necessarily, it’s teams fearing pissing off the commissioner.
Rexhudler86
@buzzz yeah he’s blackballed, that’s why he has been apologizing to manfred. The only chance is a small market team without the media circus.
mlb fan
“He’s blackballed”…When people conclude you’re more trouble than you’re worth, that isn’t really being “blackballed”, my friend.
StusFirstDollar
Sounds like exactly what the Yankees will do
Rexhudler86
@mlb fan he was talking about the astros cheating with trash cans, using resin rings for spin rates, and spider tact until he did it because nothing was done and a got a cy young and called it a Mickey Mouse trophy. He put heat on manfred so definitely got blackballed, but everything he said was true and was addressed later than the allegations, he did recommend them putting something on baseballs so it’s uniform which they implemented in double a, also was saying the umps won’t know what to look for which happened, and had some players pulling there pants down. It was a mess but he kind of started it using his platform on YouTube. He definitely did it, and he has to deal with it. But as a pitcher he should be signed. so yes I stand behind my comments
Armaments216
Hi Gerrit. It’s Scott, your agent. So, listen, I hear you’ve been needing a little extra recovery time after you throw. Now, I’m not saying there’s any reason for concern. But I was thinking maybe, you know, just as a precaution, this might be a good time to go get that elbow checked out.
quimmy
Shame
dano62
Sorry Boras but I’d call Clevinger or Lorenzen first
RyanD44
Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery’s ask just went way up. Boras wins.
gcg27
Their ask won’t go up but someone might decide to meet their demands but I doubt it.. Snell was offered 160 mill by Yankees. He said no and they signed Strohman.. only so many teams can afford currently to pay ace like money.. it’s lie musical chairs.. snooze you lose
User 401527550
No it didn’t. Yankees chances of winning dropped dramatically. It would be eating money at this point.
lamars
He wins? Wins what? Do you really think the Yankees will go all in at either asking price?
RyanD44
Yes, because otherwise they just traded a lot for one year of Juan Soto, and there’s no guarantee he’ll be back next year. They could have used Snell before the Cole injury, now they will definitely need him.
Not to mention, Cortes, Rodon and Stroman don’t have the best injury history either.
lamars
Exactly my point. The “could” have used him with a healthy Cole. Now there is no reason to break the bank for Snell without Cole and have Snell and 4 other starters with injury histories. That rotation without Cole isn’t winning anything.
stymeedone
Even without Cole, Soto should still sell tickets. You probably thought winning games was the goal. For NYY fans, this may be your only chance to see him play regularly. No guarantee Cash man pays the big money.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Great Googly Moogly!!!
User 3014224641
“Trevor is waiting.”
YankeesBleacherCreature
It’s the new “Wow”.
Gmen777
If Cole’s hurt Yankees might have to sign one of Snell or Monty just to stay afloat (but neither of them are Gerrit Cole regardless).
Old York
Thoughts and prayers to Yankee fans.
dasit
are they pitchers?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Uh oh spaghetti
Informed Sportsball Discussion
-o’s
Anthony maresca
If Cole has any serious injury or misses time watch how fast Soto, Torres, Holmes and all of their pending free agents being dealt for the best pkg possible and Yankees tank the season. They simply will not meet Snell’s demands and Cole’s option comes into play that he just may not be opting out since Yankees wont hesitate to let him walk to get out of paying an aging starter with an elbow injury into his age 38 season. This has disaster looming!
mlbnyyfan
Yankees needed to trade Torres for a Pitcher. Now they can’t with Pereza injured
beyou02215
Torres only has 1 year.
Scott Kliesen
Tank the season?
Yankees didn’t trade the farm to get Soto on the last year of his contract to TANK THE F***ing SEASON! No matter who gets hurt.
lamars
TANK THE F***ing SEASON? No! But if Cole is lost so is the Yankees season. Expect the Yankees to be competitive until the 2nd half and then the fire sale will begin.
MacGromit
@Anthony
Yanks trading all FA (including Soto) and tanking the season… never gonna happen w the Yanks.
And significant injury for Cole would certainly take a hit to their preseason chances/prediction of the AL East but a team with the resources of the Yanks is not going to crawl into a hole and go full tear down.
Salzilla
What kind of crazy defeatist attitude is this? We’ve never tanked a season before it got started in the modern era. Yanks have cash to heal all wounds even if they have to pay extra. This team don’t give up before it starts, get out of here with that.
Drew Brees
Blake Snell, you are a New York Yankee
bloomquist4hof
It sure seems that just increased on likihood.
gcg27
Just make it even easier for Orioles to win thr division this year.. Go Orioles!!!!
just_thinkin
O’s fan here. Can we please not talk smack until we know if Kyle Bradish is getting Tommy John surgery? Jesus…
Scott Kliesen
Bad karma, dude.
baseballnerd20
Can you Snellll what the Yanks are cookin’?
C Yards Jeff
Ooh ooh that Snell
Can’t you Snell that Snell
Ooh ooh that Snell
That Snell of death that surrounds you.
Don’t do it Cashman. Heck you can get both Clevinger and Lorzeren for dirt cheap and, of course, on much shorter term(s).
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Meanwhile, Scott Boras is sitting next to a fireplace in an expensive chair rubbing his hands together and laughing menacingly.
Salzilla
I got nothing here, but let’s wait and see what’s up for sure.
pinstripeblue
Can someone say Trevor Bauer?
oldgfan
No. Blake Snell just bought a razor though.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
All that money tied up for Cole was not a good thing. Wish him the best
Mets Fan 62
I am a Mets fan but Cole is a seriously great pitcher and this would not be good for baseball, in general. Hope he is ok.
User 401527550
The odds of signing snell or Montgomery actually go down because of this. Why throw money on a season that you aren’t going to win? Cole is a huge loss if that’s what it turns out to be.
RickEO
Rutro
Greensoxbaseball
Oh my god, we need to sign Snell or Monty or this season is a waste
edit:: prolly both like……can’t win games with no pitching oh my
cwsOverhaul
NYY can trade for Cease if they don’t want to pay massive luxury tax penalties and the verdict is bleak.
MacGromit
I think that the White Sox would want all of the Upper East side for Cease. Doubt Getz is going to discount the ask out of concern for Cole or Steinbenner.
Bob Sacamano 310
Yankees supposedly had a ton of scouts at Cease’s last start
acoss13
Did they now? If I’m the White Sox, I definitely want Jasson Dominguez to be part of the trade package from the Yankees. That would be my starting point if I were Getz.
MikeBSoxFan
Spencer Jones also looks like a keeper, I’d take him and another of their top 5-6 prospects, like Hampton or Arias.
swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123
I’m pretty sure that Hampton is a top 100 prospect. Yankees wouldn’t want to do it
DBH1969
Well, when Gio w3nt down last week, I saw some Yankee fans showing real class in the Red Sox topic. So I shall reciprocate….
This is a really tough blow to our arch enemies especially with the tax penalty if you all try to replace him.
Guess we will be fighting it out for the draft pick again.
GOD I MISS THE TORRE/FRANCONA YEARS!!!!
King123
That’s a bummer. Cole could be the last to ever get 200 wins.
10centBeerNight
Hope player is ok. This would capsize NYY for 2024
The McNasty1
He’s toast
Knucksie
This is one reason why the knuckleball needs to make a comeback. Arms are terrible, or rather, tearable. The wear and tear from max effort is apparent. Hope this doesn’t show any damage for Cole. The Yankees-Red Sox rivalry is always best when both teams are good and healthy.
stymeedone
So…never?
Old York
Any chance he can switch to being a LHP? Less mileage on it.
Yankeesforever
That’s why I laughed when baseball fans post that Boras overplayed his hand. The man didn’t get to where he is by panicking and doubting his method.
Dont even wait, sign Snell.
Old York
@Yankeesforever
For a guy who pitches 5 innings max per outing and had an FRA of almost 4.00 last year? Maybe if he’s their #5 starter.
Yankeesforever
Yankees dont have that luxury if they want to salvage the season.
Unless we want to wager this season on Rodon, Stroman and Nestor carrying us.
Old York
@Yankeesforever
Just seems like a bad long-term signing. Unless Snell is willing to sign for 1-year, which I doubt to be the case.
Scream_name
Hahahaha. An era of 4.00? Yeah you don’t want a 2 time CY winner on your team. He’s a number #5 at best and he had a era north of 5 last year.
stymeedone
Remove the 2 good seasons and see what you’re likely to get. Then tell me what you will pay for that.
Scream_name
@old york
Thanks buddy for reminding me why I usually don’t read the comment section here.
mlb fan
“That’s why I laughed when…Boras overplayed”… When I stopped laughing I couldn’t believe you just suggested that Snell is any kind of replacement for a true #1 in Gerrit Cole. The only thing Snell is #1 in is walks, being erratic and the number of pitchers it takes him to get thru 5 innings.
DanUgglasRing
He certainly isn’t and when you check that almost 60MM$ price tag after taxes it’s a non starter.
Os1995
I mean he was #1 in ERA last year too. Snell is about as good a replacement as you could reasonably expect. Especially at this point in the off season.
DanUgglasRing
I do like Snell but I think the big difference between he and Cole is consistency. If you lose Cole you’re losing a ton of reliably consistent results.
mlb fan
“As good a replacement as you”…That’s a bit like “replacing” Giselle Bundchen with Roseanne Barr or Doris Burke.
Os1995
You could do a lot worse than the guy with best ERA in baseball. Getting the CY winner from the NL to replace the AL CY winner is about as good a replacement as it gets.
Sure you can complain about innings and walks but you ignored that Snell was #1 ERA and #2 to Cole in WAR. Cole is more consistent but Snell definitely has the ceiling to be a Cole replacement.
stymeedone
Last year he was. He just doesn’t repeat that performance.
Yankeesforever
you have you to replace Cole if he is gone.
Please enlighten us on the smoke and mirrors routine you want the Yankees to use to accomplish that.
Anthony maresca
Beeter and Gill and go with 6 man rotation moving forward
Scott Kliesen
So that’s why there were so many parishioners wearing Yankee caps at St. Patrick’s Cathedral this morning.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Lol
Rexhudler86
Boras was messing around with his voodoo dolls.
Mynameisnoname
Guys, he’s probably just trying to get his appts in before his deductible resets for the year.
fred-3
This is why you never pay a pitcher big money
Yanks4life22
This is why I wanted no part of the contract that inevitably came with Cole. It’s why I want no part of any of those mega-contracts unless it’s a homegrown talent with work ethic and intangibles beyond on field production that have been displayed to the organization for a decade plus.
fred-3
Well, big contracts to star position players work out sometimes. It almost never does with pitchers, however. Unless I’m forgetting someone, Scherzer Nationals deal is only on that’s worked out among free agent pitchers in the last 20 years. Look at the Cy Young winners post steroid era – most are homegrown or pitchers that were traded for.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Yanks4 Mussina? Pettite? CC? Tanaka? Those were all mega-contracts at the time of their signings.
Fever Pitch Guy
YBC – Lester certainly worked out for the first 5 years of his 7-year deal.
YankeesBleacherCreature
To go back further, Clemens and Pedro as well.
MacGromit
@Yanks4life
I’m so glad you opted out of signing your part of the contract. Whew did you save yourself some money!
I get your point but you make it sound like you were in the room putting in your 2 cents but the Yankee front office simply refused to listen to your advice. Their loss I guess. Get’em next time, Tiger.
whyhayzee
Boone didn’t provide additional details.
whyhayzee
The organization’s level of concern regarding a potential serious injury isn’t clear.
mlb fan
“Boone didn’t provide additional”…Dr. A.Boone hasn’t yet finished his examination. He’ll have more to say when he gets in there and scopes out Coles arm & elbow. After Dr. Boone rubs some dirt on it, Cole’s expected to be fine.
whyhayzee
The Yankees don’t expect to announce a prognosis today or even tomorrow.
prov356
Welp, that’s a record number of elbow injuries for spring training…and they shortened the pitch clock…hmmm. Don’t worry, there’s no correlation.
Old York
@prov356
Chuckers will always get hurt. Pitchers, on the other hand, will have a fairly long and healthy career. Look at greats like Glavine & Maddux.
prov356
I agree. But we can’t ignore the increased number of elbow injuries since the pitch clock was instituted. No matter how much some people like it, there is a correlation.
Old York
@prov356
I’m not a fan of the pitch clock but if requiring pitchers to pitch quickly is an issue causing injury, we would have seen arm issues from Mark Buehrle early on in his career.
mlb fan
“Record number of elbow injuries”…Don’t we pretty much hear that every year?
prov356
fan – Check the numbers. I’m not the only one saying it.
mlb fan
“Check the numbers”…What numbers?..You didn’t provide any and you’re the one saying “more”. I don’t doubt that you’re not the “only one” and others are saying it too, but I do hear the same refrain practically every year.
JoeBrady
The NYY cannot lose enough games for me to ever get tired of it, but this is bad news. Bad for the game and bad for the rivalry.
nailz#4life
it would be a slap in the face to Snell’s confidence that the “perfect storm” that Boras expected to happen (injuries during Spring Training) will still not get him signed. Especially since Snell has been tied to much to the NYY.
gorav114
Looks like Bauer has the Yankees by the throat now
Astros Hot Takes
epic lol
HEHEHATE
Scott Boras is already making phone calls on the hour.
billysbballz
Trevor Bauer!!!!
User 4204968895
Interesting. Never seen his name brought up in comments before.
dasit
feel sick to my stomach
we could be kissing 2024 goodbye
TellItGoodbye
Why would any team sign a free agent starting pitcher ever again? They’re all apparently heading to an inevitable TJ. Just develop your young pitchers and use them til they break down.
fljay73
Uh Oh. The big Injury bug has found it’s starting point this year 😮
brucenewton
Yankees don’t draft and develop their own starting pitching though. Must sign free agents.
VonPurpleHayes
There’s a lot of hype for the Yankees this year, but if they lose Cole for significant time, I don’t see them competing for the division. (Still a WC team for sure). I hope this is all just precaution.
josiahdd
Trevor Bauer at league minimum with incentives. If Cole is fine, it’s still a plus.
User 2161944466
Cole and Bauer will never be on the same team again.
VonPurpleHayes
I think money changes everything. But to your point, the Yankees aren’t touching Bauer this year. Maybe next year.
User 4204968895
They’ll just pay Snell or Montgomery, neither of whom will assault any women.
Yankees will pay whatever they need to be competitive.
Viveleempireevil
and somewhere right now, Scott Boras is rubbing his hands together..
DanUgglasRing
Nobody is going to pay Snell 58MM$ after taxes. Hopefully Cole is ok but if this is truly bad news I think they’d be far better off signing Lorenzen to eat innings and trading for a starter ASAP. Cease could be had for a trade package that would be less impactful than handing that kind of cash to one player. Not to mention there will be more pitching available next offseason and the money would be much better spent there.
DanUgglasRing
Also, F.
fljay73
2 Cy young awards says otherwise…….
DanUgglasRing
Him not being paid about 60MM already says otherwise actually.
fljay73
Bauer won’t sign for the minimum. He has money in the bank & will need more incentive to have to shave everyday (I know I would).
Mustard Tiger
Bauer literally posted on Twitter he would play for the minimum. No team wants him.
julyn82001
There goes all those investing millions…
CravenMoorehead
To quote former Yankees manager Joe Girardi, “It’s not what you want.”
5TUNT1N
Lame!
swinging wood
“Multiple opinions” sounds like TJS is on the table.
Wagner>Cobb
Ruh-roh.
Billg7987
I don’t like the Yankees, but this is rough for the game. Cole is special, I like it when my team beats him because I know they are beating the best. Neither Snell nor Montgomery would replace him. This would be a devastating blow.
Old York
Does this mean he probably won’t opt-out of the contract?
Anthony maresca
Guaranteed he wont be opting out cause Yankees will let him walk to become a FA and onstead turn to Corbin Burnes in off season
Monkey’s Uncle
Is Cole going to yell at Daniel Vogelbach because of this, too?
Viveleempireevil
if that big tub of guts showed me up by styling on a spring training home run, I might have told him off too. He’s a 300 lb. (sic) clown.
Wagner>Cobb
People want hitters to bat flip all day long and get mad when pitchers feel any kind of emotion approaching anger. He’s super competitive, it’s not a big deal.
MileHigh Baseball Fan
Hypothetically speaking…..If he needs TJS what are peoples thoughts on the opt out? It’s not a no brainer to sign a 34 year old coming off TJS to a 5 year 180m contract. I’m guessing Cole would forgo his opt out.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The opt-out is moot if it gets to that point. It won’t be the end of world. Cole can certainly learn and adjust afterwards to pitching to diminished velocity successfully.
getrealgone2
Tommy Milone has another shot.
He’s like Iron Bar from Mad Max 3,.
dasit
solid reference
acoss13
Cashman should really kick the tires on Clevinger or Lorenzen as many have stated. Even a trade package for Cease would be a better option than overpaying for Snell or getting Monty for the 7 years he seems to be after. Neither of those guys is anywhere near Gerrit Cole’s league. I’m not a Yankees fan but nothing but good vibes and hopefully it’s at most a month-long IL stint where he just needs to rest.
DanUgglasRing
I’m 100% with you on all of the above
HiredGun23
Dang it. Loving seeing GC pitch. Hope this turns out to be nothing more than a missed start or two…
smd
Welp, our season is off to a typical start. Look forward to another fourth place finish.
Aoe3
As a Bluejays fan feel very bad for NY fans! Don’t want to see this at all.
warnbeeb
Cashman needs to call Scott Harris in Detroit. They can have Joey Wentz but have to take Javy Baez too. Just a mid level prospect will do it. No money back from Tigers.
Dubbs
Must have torn something b*tching about Vogelbach’s home run trot
Monkey’s Uncle
Actually the vibrations in the ground caused by Vogelbach running by, plus the increased tension as Cole clenched his fists in fury, combined to do the trick.
swanhenge
Happiest guys here are Lorenzen and Clevenger.
Everyone slides up a notch (Stro or Rodon on opening day?) and Lorz/Clev takes over #3 spot. 4-5 spots as they were.
Bummer for Yank fans for sure.
Goose
To the Yankees fans giving us Red Sox fans a good ribbing. I quote Bruce Willis from Die Hard: “Welcome to the party pal.” We are finishing last but it will be nice to look up and see you guys in 4th.
You KNOW Boras just called Cash and said, OH!!! What a tragedy. By the way, it was 7 years and $35 per right?
Mustard Tiger
And Cashman will tell Boras to get bent. Not even the Yankees are paying $70+ million for Snell or Monty.
rodcarew
Bad for Cole. Gold for Yankee haters.
Datashark
Blake Snell interest has gone up, once Cole gets the TJ determination, its on…to get at least 2 more pitchers.
BaseballClassic1985
Aaaaaaaand the season’s over!
Datashark
Trevor Bauer…..is his opportunity coming?
Viveleempireevil
it is. He’s guest starring in the sequel to Eyes Wide Shut.
Mustard Tiger
Yes. His opportunity is pitching for the Asian Breeze.
tbcoolguy
Tampa Bay lost 3 starters last season and still won 99 games. Let’s see how New York fares. Good luck.
olmtiant
As much as I despise the Yanks… Not Good… who is Devers gonna take deep …. Hopefully just a strain….
Mikenmn
The Soto trade comes back to bite–and maybe Boras is high fiving everyone in his office–but I wouldn’t do anything extraordinary here. Maybe an arm, but not a high end one. Yankees have to get off the seesaw. $55-$75M is crazy
YankeesBleacherCreature
Cole is one of Boras’ clients so why would that be ever worth celebrating?
yankeemanuno23
Sign Snell and fast, even with a 1yr crazy $ /Yr.
If not, Soto will not stay next year either. Yanks need to win AL. PERIOD. Cashman is at fault here, roster for starting pitching patchwork isn’t good.
Mikenmn
Soto isn’t going to stay, regardless, unless Yankees outbid everyone. Even the Yankees don’t have infinitely deep pockets.
MikeBSoxFan
Exactly and I doubt highly he is a Yankee in 2025, my guess is either the Giants, Mets, Cubs or possibly even going back to the Nats.
Os1995
I’m sure the dodgers wouldn’t mind an extra outfielder.
MikeBSoxFan
If he’s hurt and out for any significant time when the season starts, it might trigger the Yankees to sign either Montgomery or Snell. I am guessing they could have either on a shorter term 2-3 year deal, with a higher AAV ($35-$40 per) with opt outs after each year. Either that, or they are going to have to trade either Dominquez or Jones, for a Bieber or Cease. I think Spencer Jones and maybe Arias (SS) or Chase Hampton (RHP) would get it done.for Cease or Bieber.
Anthony maresca
Omg please stop the nonsense! They got Beeter, Gill and Warren who will get a fair shot and see how things shake out before panicking.
PizzaForBreakfast
Any excuse for Vogelbach’s homer LOL
JoeBrady
If one wants to go full-Machiavelli, Boras calls up one of his clients and asks him to rubbing his elbow, so that one of his remaining clients can get a good contract.
foppert2
Ha ha. I admit it, I was right there as a first impression. Then I gave it some thought and went “Yeah. Nah.” Cole wouldn’t agree to that.
JohnGorton77
Big albatross pitcher contracts are beyond risky. Double the level of Sale.
foppert2
Brutal. Why would you want to own a baseball team.
Big Hurt
I’m going to state the obvious, but Snell is not Cole. There’s not a lot of evidence that he would come into NY and be great, like Cole has been. In other words, this is a massive blow and there’s not an easy solution. Maybe Snell, maybe Cease, maybe Luzardo, maybe Cole ends up fine. But yeah, sucks as a baseball fan.
SupremeZeus
The never-ending pursuit of high velocity and higher spin rate has predictable consequences. More ligament failures, more often and at an earlier age. The data backs this up.
64' Yanks
Oh no there goes Yankee ticket sales! Don’t worry Trashman has a few trash cans to look over. The Yankees will not sign Snell or Montgomery!
mrmackey
Best case it’s a Tanaka-like situation. Worst case they’ll have to pay Snell or basically toss 2024 in the trash bin.
PiratePartyTime412
That’s what you get for shavin your face ☠️
User 2079935927
Geeee all Spring it was don’t pay Snell what he’s asking for. Or sign Bauer But as soon a
Yankee pitcher goes down. The Yankee fans are good with it LMFAO
Augusto Barojas
As E.T. would say, “ouch!”
desertbull
Well, to be fair, if they give Snell $30M AAV they actually have to pay $60 million PER YEAR because of the luxury tax. $60 million per year for Snell?
YankeesBleacherCreature
More, it’s 110%.
Viveleempireevil
And they lose two draft picks. And they lose international pool money. And they should still do it.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The painful truth.
Jim M
Concerned about luxury tax hit? Trevor Bauer!!!
slider32
Yanks should rotate should rotate Beeter and Warren, you can’t pay 110% tax for a pitcher
YankeesBleacherCreature
Says who?
Rsox
Blake Snell signing in 3…2…1..
dasit
snell likes team spirit
bruinlife33
Let it rip armchair GMs
Nosferatu Zodd
Where is the meme of the baby going yes at?
Mrski
Trevor Bauer better than both snell and Montgomery
Os1995
A guy who has never won a real CY vs a 2 time CY winner?
Hotdog 2
You sound ignorant
Mustard Tiger
@Mrski Perhaps. But unlike Snell and Montgomery, Bauer won’t be pitching in the Major leagues this year (or any other year).
Silas
Here we go again, geesh
Edp007
Bauer would be a perfect fit for the Cranks imo
runningwithnailclippers
Jesus man, the fans there would eat him alive.
But he may like that sort of thing.
Mrski
Blake snell doesn’t want to pitch in New York. Montgomery isn’t going to come back. That leaves Trevor Bauer. The writing is on the wall.
runningwithnailclippers
Has he said to the media that he didn’t want to pitch in New York or any other big city? Just curious.
dissentriot
hell, with Cole the Yankees will have difficulty hanging with Baltimore. a life long Yankees fan, the last ten years have been hard to swallow. poor drafts and worse player development creates a lousy team to watch. high strikeouts batting, no speed, mediocre defense all attempted to be patched over with strategic free agency. where would this team be without Cole the last number of years?!? the Orioles have followed the Astros glide path and will be fun to watch. build from within, draft well and develop– that’s the way great teams are built. the Yankees did it under Stick and Buck when George was banned from interfering. unfortunately, the Yankees are destined this century to what the Red Sox were last.
zeuz1
Make a trade with the Padres for Michael King!
King Floch
Damn, dudes are dropping like flies this spring.
Fingers crossed that it isn’t you-know-what, even if that would benefit my Orioles significantly. Stars sitting at home injured is lame and bad for baseball.
YankeesBleacherCreature
What does Elias want for Burnes?
King Floch
I have this sneaking suspicion that he isn’t available right now lol.
Jack5102
Realy.. did one this morning.. the 1st pick was Cole…
Hotdog 2
Good. Embarrassing that a team has basically a whole rotation of free agents. No such thing as karma, But it is karma
runningwithnailclippers
I never hope ill will towards someone, especially when it pertains to their career/seasons. Cole is a bulldog and even though he plays on a team I don’t support, I hope he bounces back quickly. Most of the Yanks fans are cool.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
The Tigers should be on the phone. Anymjackass.c9uld.tell.you that.
The Yanks are backs against the wall. Choice of prospects…..for a package.
Or….The Office of the Laison to the owner, could trade.Harris for.Cashman and some.prospects.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Liaison
alwaysgo4two
Well, that’s interesting. Just yesterday I read a post from a Yankees fan here doing a “ha,ha,ha” about the Rays Johnny DeLucas hand fracture. I replied something like not cool. The Yankees could be next. Oops.
ArianaGrandSlam
You guys have forgotten someone who fits perfectly during Cole’s absence (hope not!). Cashman should give Trevor Bauer a phone call and he’ll pick up at the first ring.
Salzilla
Wow.
LonnieB
Sticky stuff and steroids need to be aloud in professional sports that require the body to perform outside normal body performances aka the things we watch.
Extraordinary pay requires extraordinary training.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
allowed
As in wowed
Not woo’d
Not boo’d
Not food for thought.
And I disagree. That’s not right.
Misty Moobs
Raffy is his daddy!!!!!
Nosferatu Zodd
Can we say Orioles have this wrapped up by Labor day?
pingston
Can we hope they don’t get injuries like this?
JackStrawb
It would be interesting to see the Yankees offer Montgomery something like 1/40m. No player options. Just a one year deal.
pingston
Before the luxury tax penalties there would be no surplus FAs as there are now but if there were they’d be snapped up as rotations blew up. So the Yankees, who sent pitchers Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Jhony Brito, and Randy Vásquez to the Padres in the Juan Soto trade may now wish they had one or two of them in the wings. The Blue Jays may wish they’d traded Alek Manoah and let some other team take the risk he’ll return to form (or may be glad they didn’t given the challenge of finding great arms and keeping them healthy).
My father pitched the opening game of the local County season at age 49 and my mother said he’d soak his arm in brine for hours at a time to keep it tough in the years before that — he was a farm boy who got all the exercise needed from throwing around big bags of grain and plowing with teams of horses, etc. Never lifted weights, didn’t get why others did. So are the injuries coming because of new demands for ‘snap’ and movement? Is it velo alone that’s doing this because by my recollection starting pitchers in the 50s, 60s and 70s pitched more innings, and relief pitchers were not used as much. Has Cole been over-used, have others, has there been a trade-off by each pitcher to ‘stay in the show’ by putting his tool at risk?
Nosferatu Zodd
Nolan Ryan,Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, etc. The strikeout has so radically changed the game. The need for higher and higher velocity. Take a look at the 75 big red machine. They won 108 games. No one hit 30+ home runs. Only one starter had more than 100 strikeouts. Pitchers pitched to contact. Few threw 90 mph.
DarrenDreifortsContract
The call has already been made to Roger Clemens to save the season.
Not the real Sports Pope
Brutal news, but hopefully not ominous. I don’t see the Yankees pivoting to Snell. I also don’t like the fact spring training has barely 2 weeks left and Snell or Montgomery still haven’t participated in spring training. Players (pitchers in particular) are creatures of habit and will have to knock the rust off and it wouldn’t be surprising to see either one struggle in April or May IF they even get signed by then
AndyMcFail
This is what Boras has been looking for!
28rings
Good news for Austin Wells… doesn’t have to worry about losing AB to Cole’s “personal catcher”
Chicks dig bunting
Well at his age TJ probably was going to happen sooner or later I guess later
The_M4N
This is a “sticky” situation.
Cman-infinity
Bye bye
OZ13
Options that could happen:
“He’s just sore. He’s not a young kid anymore so recovery will be slower as he ages”- occasional IL stints for soreness duering the season. No need to sign someone
Short term IL stint at beginning of season including a PRP injection and rest. Yanks wont sing a high dollar guy to make up for a few starts as it’s an oppotunity to let a young buck make some waves/add some trade value to his name.
TJ- Yanks sell off or make a move. When was the last time the YANKEES sold off? If they did- someone mentioned this earlier- imagine what they get for Soto, Gleybar, Holmes in seperate deals. No one could afford a bulk deal. If they sell off Gleybar and Holmes they open up $20 mil. They could then take a run at a long term deal with Soto. Why not them? I can see the appeal of hitting there as a lefty and sharing a lineup with Judge. The Yanks could quickly rebuild/resign around those two. I think they sign Snell for a 1-2 yr deal with AAV being around $30-35 mil. They can take a tax hit for 1-2 yrs in order to make a run. If he pitches well but the Yanks suck, they just trade him too.