Marlins president of baseball operations Peter Bendix spoke to reporters, including Jordan McPherson of the Miami Herald, earlier today to discuss last night’s blockbuster trade of infielder Luis Arraez to the Padres and the Marlins’ outlook moving forward after the deal.
In his comments, Bendix indicated that he and the rest of the organization is “very disappointed” about the team’s brutal 9-25 start to the 2024 season and acknowledged that the team is “unlikely” to make the playoffs this year after doing so for the first time in a full season since 2003 last year.
“We’re very disappointed,” Bendix said, per McPherson. “I know the players are very disappointed. Everybody here is very disappointed about that. But it is also something that we can’t change right now.”
In light of the club’s challenging path to the postseason, Bendix said that he felt the deal offer by the Padres was “too good to walk past,” with Craig Mish of the Miami Herald adding that Bendix noted he was concerned that the deal may not have still been on the table had the Marlins waited until later in the calendar to make the move. Bendix’s willingness to strike early on the trade market extends back to 2021 during his time as GM of the Rays, when the club traded shortstop Willy Adames to the Brewers as part of the other May blockbuster in recent memory.
Bendix went on to praise the return the club received for Arraez services, which consists of 2023 first-rounder Dillon Head, Double-A outfielder Jakob Marsee, Double-A first baseman Nathan Martorella, and reliever Woo-Suk Go. Both Head and Marsee rank in the top 10 on lists of top Padres prospects from both Baseball America and MLB.com, though Go is an established professional on a two-year, $4.5MM deal with seven KBO seasons under his belt despite not yet having made his big league debut.
Given the fact that none of the players joining the Marlins in return for Arraez have played above the Double-A level in stateside ball, it’s fair to wonder what sort of timeline for competitiveness Miami brass envisions for the club. Bendix avoided specifics during his conversation with reporters, however. While he made clear throughout his comments that the club’s long-term goal is to win “90-plus games year-in and year-out”, he refused to label the club’s current trajectory a “rebuild” while simultaneously noting that there isn’t a “definitive timeline” for a return to competitiveness.
That foggy outlook appears to extend to the club’s plans going forward. While Bendix made clear that the Arraez move was the first in a “series of difficult decisions” the club would be making in service of a longer-term outlook, he didn’t get into specifics about what other players the club could look to shop from the big league roster. For his part, Bendix seems to have no desire to commit to retaining any of the big league club’s current players. The club’s top baseball ops official indicated to Andy Slater of Fox Sports 640 that he “doesn’t know what to expect” when asked whether or not 2022 All Star Jazz Chisholm Jr. who is just 26 years old and is under team control through the end of the 2026 season, would remain in the organization through the end of the season.
Pending free agents such as first baseman Josh Bell, shortstop Tim Anderson, and left-hander Tanner Scott all seem like good bets to move at some point this season given Bendix’s acknowledged plan to prioritize future value over the current season, but Arraez’s departure and Bendix’s unwillingness to commit to Chisholm both indicate that the club is not averse to dealing more controllable players as well. Looking beyond Chisholm, the Marlins frequently flirted with dealing from their starting rotation over the winter and it’s easy to imagine any of Jesus Luzardo, Edward Cabrera, and Braxton Garrett being made available this summer should they be healthy and effective enough to command a significant return. MLBTR’s Anthony Franco explored the club’s trade candidates in detail earlier this week, prior to the Arraez deal.
The Curse of Kim Ng.
Yep, trust me. All Marlins fans curse when the bullpen Kim Ng built is handed a lead that they ultimately blow.
Kim Ng got you morons the first legit playoff appearance you had in two decades and you all trash her because she’s a woman. She’s not even there anymore and your idiotic front office made almost no moves this offseason and those they made were terrible. But yeah blame her. Idiots.
The expanded postseason got them a playoff appearance. If it was a male GM you wouldn’t be saying anything. Just stop. Criticism comes with the job. She isn’t getting a free pass because of her gender.
A woman?
WiffleBall your brother should never be your lover. Maybe your who needs to reevaluate the life choices…
Hey, Fathers just gave Head to Fish
Lots of people besides just Ng got the Marlins where they are now.
What if jeter was still here I wonder what he would do
He’d be busy playing The Show
Lots of people besides just Ng got the Marlins where they are now.
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Alleluia!
The problem with America is that people are increasingly binary-oriented in their thinking.
1-Was Ng the sole source of the Marlins? Not imo..
2-Did Ng help? Not imo,
Bendix is tanking this team to make Tampa Bay look good convince me otherwise
He’s not being honest to the fans, Dillon Head is the only hope that this trade works out well for Marlins, and that’s a low probability.
Why would anyone be a fan of this train wreck of a franchise?
As in the old Chinese curse “May you live in interesting times”?
I applaud him for not waiting, but I don’t know about “too good to pass up”.
The Marlins basically made that an offer the Pads couldn’t refuse by offering to eat all of the salary.
I hope Bendix knows what he’s doing. I think it would be great for baseball to have a thriving franchise/fan base in South Florida.
What I think happened was this. We know the padres talked to them about trading for luzardo and arraez. They didn’t come to terms because the marlins weren’t ready to give up on the season yet. Preller then turned and traded for Cease and moved on from Luzardo. Now Luzardo is hurt. Will see where he is at come the deadline. So you have the padres still interested in Arraez. He can take this deal or risk preller finding a different guy to trade for. Plus he would be risking Arraez having a down year or getting hurt. So he played it safe and took the padres deal.
That’s the outside looking in but based on previous rumors and his comments I feel like this is at least sort of likely.
I’m guessing AJP is also still very interested in Luzardo
AJ Preller is ‘interested’ in everybody.
Even if he was granted a special 76-man roster he would still have eyes on every player and amateur everywhere. It’s his wiring.
ha! true
According to Preller and Shildt, the Padres went into the offseason looking for 2 things, a starting pitcher and a left-handed bat. They felt the starting pitcher was the bigger need, hence Cease. But when the Marlins approached the Padres with their latest offer on Arraez and it included eating his salary, they jumped on having him for 130 games.
This is the opposite of getting rid of Stanton. Build a team around him, don’t trade him for unknown/unproven prospects. Bring up your own prospects. Bummer.
Bummer pitches for Atlanta now.
Man he probably got bullied in high school every day just for that last name
This Franchise should relocate to Nashvill as The marlins just dont draw well NASHVILLE CRYING for an MLB franchise might be the solution Also letting Kim Ng walk was a huge mistake for THE MARLINS>
Doubtful at best this happens but good luck. Would rather see a team in Charlotte first too
Losing 12-0 (so far) to A’s in OAK seems befitting of the present state of the Fish. Please God, don’t let them get the ping-pong ball #1 pick and waste Charlie Condon.
I get the humor about the #1 pick, but the draw already happened and Cleveland got the top pick.
Doubt Nashville is on the top of the list for relocation or expansion the Braves fan base is so vast and with truist being only a couple hours away to a team that’s always in contention it might be hard to garner fans who are already die hard Braves fans
Nashville IS on the top of the list because they have the most organized group pushing for a team.
Also, looking at the list of cities that are generally considered for expansion, Nashville is actually one of the farthest cities from an established team:
Salt Lake City: 520 miles from Denver
Nashville: 248 miles from Atlanta
Charlotte: 226 miles from Atlanta
San Antonio: 197 miles from Houston
Portland: 174 miles from Seattle
Sacramento: 88 miles from San Francisco
Orlando is not on list here.
As a person who enjoys living in Orlando, it’s so hard to realistically see it as a good location for expansion. At least compared to the others.
I’d do anything for even a minor league team here in the city proper these days!
Distance is only one factor. Have to consider the market size as well.
Orlando market belongs to Tampa Bay Rays.
Um, how was losing Kim Ng a mistake? You must not be familiar with her work.
FYI – let’s start with that she was the GM since the 2020-21 offseason and her first task was fixing the Marlins bullpen. Then look at the many many many other comedy of errors in her time here…when she wasn’t too busy to do her job because of all her self-promo garbage.
Kim Ng has always been overrated, I mean people treat her like a saint (we all know why)
I think she did some good things but also did a lot of bad (see: avisal Garcia, losing Pablo Lopez)
Her first task was not fixing the bullpen. The Marlins were still in a rebuild (one that last forever perhaps). They made the playoffs in a 60 game (?) season. They were still rebuilding. The priority was developing and acquiring prospects. Whether she did that well or not is another question. You seem to have such animosity towards the GM. They had a good bullpen last season and if they would spend some money they wouldn’t be where they are. And one reason they don’t spend (besides the obvious one) is that they have a small fan base that doesn’t come to the games (again somewhat because they never win or spend any money). The GM making little bullpen moves is hardly gonna fix this team.
This is why the marlins should move, people in Florida care more about their basketball and football
They have a fairly new stadium with a long commitment. The marlins are stuck there because they didn’t pay for the stadium. They dun stuck!
16/30 teams made the playoffs that year with Houston almost running the table with a losing record. Terrible point
If you are referring to my post I am agreeing with you. I am bringing up things from previous conversations with this person (think it was this lad/lassie). I am literally saying exactly what you are to show that just because they made the playoffs in 2020 doesn’t mean they were anywhere near a competitive window. Saying the bullpen was her main job indicates they weren’t in rebuild mode which was false.
Also Hockey and Soccer.
@Rishi
FYI: mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/marlins-trade-rumors-bu…
Know the FACTS before you yap about a team you don’t follow.
@Rishi
Let me also add. Since 2020, they were no longer in the early part of their rebuild mode. From that year forward, they have consistently been in games in which the bullpen was handed leads. Yes, every single year from 2020 on. From that year on, the bullpen has decided whether the Marlins were a winning team or not. They held leads in 2020 and 2023, and the Marlins made the Playoffs. They blew every lead in sight in 2021, 2022, and this year, and each season has been the same disaster of the bullpen being handed leads and having extremely high numbers of games blown in each season that has literally made the difference between being a .500 team versus being a 90+ loss team. The bullpen alone has done this. They have already blown 8 games this season. Do the math from that actual 10-26 record to giving them the 8 wins the bullpen gave away. This was the same in 2021 and 2022. Every Marlins fan knew that. That’s why we all said after 2021 and 2022 that if the Marlins bullpen could hold leads, they could compete. 2023 showed it when this bullpen had what was clearly a fluke season, but proved the point where the Marlins problem has been for Kim Ng’s entire duration – the thing she said on Day 1 she would fix; the thing that didn’t have issues the season before she arrived, even with the lack of a legit Closer in 2020.
When Kim Ng arrived, the Marlins were past the early rebuild stage and were in position to be around .500. That has not shown itself because of the one area she had to work on because she inherited the young pitchers and she inherited the young position players. She failed to fix the one thing that would’ve moved the Marlins to the next step, but it has become the Achilles Heel, and a bad one at that.
And you want to claim she was trying to continue a rebuild? Where are those draft picks under her watch? Garbage. How about a classic rebuild move like, when she had to make a decision about DFAing an OF when she arrived for roster space, instead of releasing Lewis Brinson, Magueris Sierra, or Monte Harrison, she felt those pieces were too valuable, so she let go of Harold Ramirez. Yeah, that was genius wasn’t it? She let Harold Ramirez go in her rebuild in order to keep the irreplacable Lewis Brinson, Magneuris Sierra and Monte Harrison. Certainly she couldn’t break up that juggernaut future OF in favor of keeping a scrub like Harold Ramirez who has abolsutely no value. Oh yeah, and after moves like that, and lack of good draft picks, we go back with her refusing to give any young arms a shot to fix her garbage bullpen. Yeah, great rebuilding plan!
And what did you say about spending? Hmmm…let me see.
I remember a situation where she had an offseason she was given money to spend, and the team needed ONLY ONE CORNER OF, BUT SHE WENT AND SIGNED TWO OF THEM with the budget! She signed both Avi Garcia and Jorge Soler. And to accomodate the move, she did one of her great rebuilding moves and decided that average fielding young corner OF Jesus Sanchez could move to CF and that young passable at the time for CF Bryan De La Cruz, despite performing, wasn’t good enough to make the Opening Day roster, only bringing De La Cruz back due to an injury. This great rebuilding move set both young players back in their development. And of course, with signing both Garcia and Soler, there was no money left for a Closer. And the rest is history.
Um, again, know the facts before yapping about a team you don’t know about. And clearly don’t follow.
@sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Do you even live in South Florida? Because people in the 305 love baseball, and the Fish are not going anywhere. Get used to it. The Marlins have had four of the worst owners in sports history – all of them cheap mercenary trash con men. And you wonder why our fans don’t come out to the park? You can’t be serious.
Well said.
People forget, while we are thankful that Wayne Huizenga brought in the Marlins and Panthers, and also took ownership of the Dolphins and the stadium, he was all about turning all of those entities into his cash cow. The most laughable thing that pointed to this was after the 1997 championship, despite Huizenga owning Pro Player (or whatever it was called from week to week), he claimed that the Marlins had a bad agreement with the venue they played in. Yep, the Huizenga-owned Marlins had a bad deal with the venue they played in, that was also owned by Huizenga. Go figure that one out.
And with John Henry’s short stint. Oh was that classic! Let me see. First, MLB should’ve gotten an idea what was coming considering that he was rejected for sports ownership by the NHL when he wanted to own the Tampa Bay Lightning. They rejected him because he couldn’t give them a straight answer about his funding, etc. Then when he gets ownership of the Marlins, he wants a stadium in downtown Miami or Bayside, but wants it nearly or completely 100% funded by the city of Miami…and anytime he was asked for putting in some money, he cries ‘pauper’, so he can’t afford to put in some fair contribution considering what he was asking for. Then, while he is holding the team and city hostage, we starts his underhanded deal with Bud Selig and Jeffrey Loria, but he can’t tell anyone, but advises (warns) Dave Dombrowski that he’s better off taking an opportunity somewhere else…which leads Dombrowski (our best GM ever by far) to taking the opportunity to rebuild the Tigers. But then after is when the rumors of the Marlins considering a sale comes out…as well as potential deals with Boston and Montreal (where Loria destroyed baseball). So, Venezuelan TV mogul, Gustavo Cisneros, makes it clear that he wants to buy the Marlins, and will buy his own stadium in the downtown or Bayside area, and has every intent to make the Marlins his feature sports team on his Latin America TV empire as “The Team of the Americas”. Marlins fans remember that? And also, Mark Cuban makes it clear that he still wanted a shot at buying an MLB team, and was eyeing any of the three franchises in Miami, Boston or Montreal. However, remember that aforementioned underhanded deal with Henry, Selig and Loria? Well, all of the sudden, there is news of something occuring that will move Henry to Boston, Loria to Miami, and place Montreal in a ‘lame duck’ situation as they prepare for a potential move to Washington DC. And interestingly enough, Cuban seems to be being blocked from a fair trade bid for one of the MLB franchises…oh yeah, and the strategy that blocked him also blocked Cisneros from making a bid on the Marlins. In the end, Henry, the ‘pauper’, amazingly finds enough money to buy the Red Sox for an amount that was more than it would cost to own the Marlins and build his own park. Loria borrows money to come to Miami. And the franchise in Montreal is booted to DC in its ‘lame duck’ status.
Then there is Loria. All seemed well at the beginning, but that was clearly luck. The Marlins win their second championship in the early years of Loria’s ownership. However, that was because the previous GM, Dave Dombrowski, built a powerful foundation of players from the fire sale, drafting, and international signings. Loria’s group basically came in, and made a few tweaks while using the same scouting and player development people that Dombrowski assembled. However, the success was short-lived. After the Marlins failed to make it back to the postseason for the next two seasons, they had another fire sale in the 2005-06 offseason (not the 2003-04 offseason like dimwits and ESPN state). And the rest is history. They had some years when they modestly contended, but they weren’t really able to build a consistent team throughout Loria’s time due to bargain hunting that usually failed with them overpaying for scrubs…even though one of the situations ended due to tragedy. No matter what the thoughts are about the many things that went wrong under Loria’s poor ownership, he did at least swindle the city of Miami into giving him a stadium. However, he never spent the money he promised he would once he got it, because every big deal he signed, he made sure that the bulk of the money was deferred to the year that conveniently was the year after he officially sold the team. But if this last bit wasn’t enough to explain how much of a con-man Loria (and his lucky sperm whatever, Dave Samson) was, the best example comes from a donation he made while he was pennypinching the Marlins and collecting revenue-sharing checks. During this time, Loria donated about $25 million to his Alma Mater to make sure that the deprived kids of Yale Univerity had an upgraded study hall so, and I’m paraphrasing Loria’s statement, the kids of Yale can “have a safe place to study”. Apparently the mean streets of Yale University are pretty tough and dangerous…and the study hall has always been deprived of resources.
And now we have Bruce Sherman. Despite the first few years, the jury is still out. I like some of the moves, but don’t like some of the others. One thing to take note of for whatever it’s worth, the Marlins under Sherman have not had a good front office, inheriting Mike “Yes Man” Hill (by choice when he sucked), they’ve had Jeter (although I liked his Dimelo Miami campaign), Gary Denbo (but I found Aaron Judge), and Kim Ng (please ignore everything I did before I traded for Luis Arraez). We’ll see what Bendix’s body of work looks like after this poor start on his part.
People can bash the Marlins fan base and team, but the facts are they have truly had some bad owners. And while that’s bad enough, it absolutely stings that we’ve had chances to get better ones with Gustavo Cisneros and Jorge Mas. I think the problem is that they aren’t part of the ‘Boys Club’.
I’m not bashing Marlins fans. I think you cannot see that although they have had teams that are capable of competing for a playoff spot (if only the bullpen could hold leads you say) they haven’t produced the everyday players to keep them there. So you could supplement some guys from free agency or trade from the pitching but the team hasn’t left a rebuild mode entirely because it wasn’t really successful as far as I can tell. Pitchers are great to have but you can’t build a franchise off of them in today’s game. Look at ATL- Riley, Acuna, Albies, Harris, and trading prospects for core everyday players like Olson. The pitching is important but it’s the players that play everyday that are the backbone. You can have great coaches and scouts who can help pitchers (teams have even thrown together amazing bullpens from other teams leftovers),but it’s much rarer to find everyday talent that way (you can’t rely on this method with position players but you may get an Arcia, for instance, every now and then). No doubt the pitching is important but they’ve had the prospects and they should make the call of who they believe in most and trade the others for young positions player talent. As they should’ve done in the past but they waited. They had a piece in Alcantara that could’ve gotten them a few huge hitting prospects and honestly if they could hit they wouldn’t have even needed him to be successful with all those other pitchers. Just my outside opinion. Instead of waiting to see who will pan out and waiting to get more value from the starters as well once they graduate prospect status, just trade them while they are a rookie or in AAA for some hitter you like of a similar experience level. Idk. It just seems obvious to me that if they did this they would have young positions players by now. Buts it’s all about scouting really.
Trade Jazz to the mariners please
Jazz would not help, he would suddenly slump and hit .150 in the Pacific Northwest
Why haven’t the mariners fired their hitting coach yet??? Every time we get a new 2B or DH they suddenly get exponentially worse
Woo-Suk Go. Are we still talking baseball lol.
It’s the story of the ’86 Mets’ team flights.
It’s the perfect name for a reliever coming to the Marlins because once he sees how the rest of his new teammates in the bullpen perform, in every game, he himself will be saying “WHOAH! You SUCK! Please GO!” And the rest of the team and the entire fan base will agree.
You really typed that out, looked at it, and said to yourself “Yes. This is worth sharing.” That’s crazy.
I don’t have a right to bash my team when they get things horribly wrong? I think as a fan, I have the right to bash my team.
I don’t know how this guy got this job, but it’s not because he’s good with people. Listening to him talk to the media is like nails on a chalkboard and how he randomly smiles during comments that don’t make sense.. he must be the kid of someone important.
Ryan, after you mentioned it, I went and watched a couple of interviews on YT including the bit on Arraez,; you’re right!. The guy looks like a grad student and has a high pitched whiny voice that I don’t think I could ever get over-he needs to smoke a bit to add some gravelly voice gravitas. He might be a good GM but he definitely doesn’t come across like one in those interviews.
@RyanD44 and yeasties
You’re both right about his speaking. But I can tell you, we’ve had worse in Miami when we had Dave Sampson as Loria’s personal nepotistic contribution to employing members of the Lucky Sperm Club.
It seems like that is an issue with a lot of these Rays executives that go on to be GMs elsewhere
He had an internship with the Rays when he was in university and ‘worked his way’ up. On the Rays though that always means something different. He’s probably good at reading a computer but that’s about it. I’m happy he’s no longer on the Rays but I feel so bad for the Marlins. How they thought it was ok to fire Kim Ng and replace her with this guy.
Agreed. Ng wasn’t perfect, but she made great strides with that team. I think things kinda fell apart when Jeter departed. Schumaker clearly wants out by making sure the Marlins can’t pick up his option for next year.
Um, Kim Ng was not a good GM and the “strides” were the horrible bullpen she put together for 3 years happen to have a fluke 2023 to hold leads that were handed to them after they blew every lead in sight in 2021 and 2022, which they have returned to form this year.
Bendix has put himself in a position to be criticized, but please don’t sound foolish by praising Kim Ng. She challenged Mike Hill for the Marlins title of ineptitude. The only thing that kept her fropm topping him is that Hill has the Miggy Cabrera and Christian Yelich trade returns that put him over the top in every GM incompetence competition. Kim had a good 2023 Trade Deadline after it was a foregone conclusion she would be fired after poor performances the previous seasons by her bad decisions.
And the great strides were?
Hey @JoeBrady
You know logic is very faulty when both you and I and really me and any Mets fan agree.
I’m curious about those great strides myself. Was it signing Avi Garcia? Was it building this bullpen? Was it letting Harold Ramirez go in order to keep Lewis Brinson, Magneuris Sierra, and Monte Harrison on the roster? Was it bringing in Anthony Bass to be a Closer? Was it putting Dylan Floro as the Closer? Was it putting Tanner Scott as the Closer? Was it putting Anthony Bender as the Closer? Was it signing Jean Segura to be the 3B? Was it the Joey Wendle trade? Was it the Jacob Stallings trade? Was it passing on trade offers for Jesus Aguilar up to the trade deadline, then having to release him weeks later after she came to the conclusion that she needed to see what another younger 1B could do and having 3 1Bs on a MLB roster does not work? Hmmm…shall I list more of the possible “strides”?
Yep, when you and I agree, you know the person that made the comment needs to check the logic behind the statement.
It’s a problem with America in general. People just say things, but they don’t back it up. I think that’s because they are afraid of what they will find.
This goes for almost anything, but if someone finds only one attribute to back up their opinion, and they know you have a lot more evidence, they tend to unfortunately shy away from any deep analysis.
But I’m an agnostic on NG. If anyone wants to list all her good moves, I’ll gladly weigh those against the bad ones.
@JoeBrady
You are right in that it has become a problem in general. It seems that people just say stuff based on assumptions or repeating what they heard someone else said (often from assumptions without research), but then just leave the statement out there without having anything to say or owning the statement when called out on it. For me, I personally like someone to backup their statements or point of view. Even if I don’t agree, I can at least respect that a person reveals their support so I understand where their statement rooted from – even if it’s from misinformation. This Kim Ng defense/praise thing is ridiculous, and a serious example of the type of “logic” that has become a sad and embarrssing norm in our country.
And I’ll add this bit to it. For those that think that praising/defending Kim Ng’s work as a GM is the way to improve women’s treatment in the game, it’s not. She deserves praise for everything else she has done, and becoming a pioneer for women in the game, but not for her GM work. It sends a poor message when you defend or praise a poor performance because it kind of says that you think that this is the best a female GM can do. It’s insulting to the many women out there who can actually do a quality job as a GM. Kim Ng got us to where women can be hired as GM. Let’s save the praise for the female GM that comes along and actually does a great job with a team. I look forward to praising that female GM. Kim Ng does not deserve that praise or defense for her work with the Marlins. She didn’t cut it as a GM. I personally think she’s better in the League office as an ambassador to the game for women and minorities and the global game. And I thank her for opening the door for women because I look forward to the women in my family to have the opportunities opened due to women like Kim Ng. And selfishly, I do hope that the Marlins do hire a female GM that brings us another championship. But Kim Ng, only deserves praise for what she actually did well, not what she failed at. Let’s not insult other women by praising or defending someone for a poor performance just because she happens to be female. There will be female GMs who will be great at the role. Let’s save the praise and defenses for them when they get the opportunitiy.
If acquiring a total dice roll 19 year old, and some garden variety hitters any other team could offer, along with paying the player to be somewhere else, is too good to pass up, I’m getting on the phone with him immediately and taking all the talent from that team.
Glad the sale started early. Hope it continues all the way up to the deadline.
@holecamels
Isn’t referring to a first round pick as a “total dice roll” a bit ludicrous? I understand every prospect is a gamble, but how would you describe a 2nd or 3rd round pick, then?
This gave me Deja vu
Dillon Head is the only player worth talking about. The other 3 are filler. As of right now, Bendix got took…
This is the key. Return was not that much and reason is what miami gave up wasn’t leaps and bounds: average defensive, low power middle IF with 2y left of control not the kind of guy a team is going to give up any top prospect up in any deal, much more bulk wild card types, which is what miami got back.
Saw above they need to move more and I agree, but to get really good prospects they need to move their starting pitching and they ain’t gonna do that. Chisholm isn’t bringing back half what they got for arraez and his attitude knocks it down further.
Pitching moved or count down the losses and mark time. bad choices either way for fish fans.
Johnsilver that’s not fair. Arraez isn’t an “average defense” MI. That would imply he is at worst an average 2B, that can play some short.
In reality he is unplayable at short, and at best below average at 2B. He was -10 oaa at 2B last year.
I do not get what Preller sees
He sees a DH
Uh, if you watched yesterday’s padres game…you would know exactly what he sees
He can hit, not for much power, big deal. With even above average defense at 2B or 3B that would be valuable. As a 1B/DH, he’s not nearly as valuable as alot of fans seem to think.
He has put up 3+ WAR once, you can get a 2 WAR 115-120 wrc+ 1B/DH for a hell of alot cheaper than what SD gave up.
@Simm. Check out Arraez’ two outs yesterday. He was very nearly 6 for 6
The Padres could use another power bat as all they really have now is Tatis and Machado (and about 3 guys capable of 15-20 HRs). But they also were stuck with utility infielders as at DH, and a lineup of hitters who are subpar bat-control guys. So Arraez fills the DH/bat control role very well. I still hope they go shopping for a power bat and with lefty Arraez they can now expand search to one who hits from right side. But I doubt that move happens anytime soon, maybe not this in-season.
Arraez has averaged 4.2 WAR over the past 3 seasons with the lowest being 3.4 WAR and the highest 4.9 WAR last season.
baseball-reference.com/players/a/arraelu01.shtml#2…
There are 19 other players besides Arraez that have put up 12+ WAR over the past 3 seasons, 12 that are LHB, and none of the others were available in trade.
Unless it’s at the deadline, the Padres are done adding for now and even then, its likely pitching. They don’t need any other hitters. They need the guys they have to play up to their career averages.
They do need another power hitter, absolutely. But like I’ve been saying over and over, at this point it won’t happen this year. With Arraez and Solano, the batting roster is pretty much now set in stone for months ahead. Pitching changes will have to happen, that’s a given.
I gagged a bit when I saw TA mentioned as someone likely to be moved. The only way he changes teams is a DFA, and release.
Return was not that much and reason is what miami gave up wasn’t leaps and bounds:
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I thought the same thing. IMHO, Arraez is good but not great. And he is not having a good season.
Chisholm would bring back at least as good a return as Arraez, probably better.
Chisholm has been an exactly MLB average or 2.0 WAR player the last 3 seasons. So far this season he is in negative WAR territory. Even with an extra year before he hits FA, I highly doubt he gets as high of a return as a guy that averaged 4.2 WAR the last 3 seasons.
Getting beat 12-0 after three tonight in Oakland….
Mr. Benetiz we thank you for the opportunity to do business with you and and wish you all the best in your future endeavors
I miss the early years of the Marlins where they’d buy up players and win championships and then sell them off. Their uniforms were great too. Those were the good ol’days…
Those Florida marlins unis looked nice, I wish every franchise could go in their throwbacks ever so often
Bring back the baby blue Phillies
Best throwback unis in baseball are the Phillies and Braves 1970’s ones.
Nike gave the Marlins uniforms to the Phillies.
Why did the Phillies and their fans want Marlins uniforms?
Sorry Marlins fans. As a Rays fan, Peter Bendix was an awful choice. We are still recovering from his choices (one of which was sticking with Brujan wayyyy too long).
And then he brought him over himself.
Marlins owner: Hey! I like being cheap and I want to win 100 games like the cross town rays! Let’s hire this rays dude and see if I can cheat the game of baseball!
I do not think he was/is very good GM and have little confidence in him. He is a product of cheap organization which has had success recently and he ‘sold’ his ability to be cheap to Marlins owner. Marlins should move, better yet, be sold and then relocated. The return from SD was weak.
Some scouts have decidedly different forecasts of prospects abilities. Somebody is gonna be wrong. Players discipline/work habits can improve, they can work with better coaches in a different organization – Get stronger, mature mentally. After all humans never make mistakes. Scouting reports never change.
Montreal is waiting for a franchise…
Where are you Victor Victor Victor Mesa ???
Which one? Older or younger brother?
DaNg, it’s like they seemed to be makiNg progress, but something in the front office changed dramatically to end that. Maybe they should hire someone to oversee this president of baseball’s decisions. Wait, only do that if a woman is having some success.
This is her roster
@MetaX
Remember, people have to get selective amnesia in order to praise Kim Ng. All of her bad moves never happened. And she supposedly wasn’t the one that built this lousy bullpen that can’t hold a lead.
Have you never watched bullpens? Fickle is the word
Being bad 3 out of 4 years does not mean fickle. It means that your bullpen sucks. And it says a lot when everyone on the planet knows you need a Closer, but you as a GM insist on putting guys like Anthony Bass, Yimi Garcia, Anthony Bender, Tanner Scott, etc. in the role while refusing to give any of their surplus of young arms the shot and going to waste a budget on two corner OFs instead of the one you need, when the money from one of those signings should’ve gone to a one of the available Closers.
Do you still want to try to throw a post out there to try to defend Ng when you consider all that I’ve stated? Or are you just here to troll?
What in the name of Avi Garcia, Anthony Bass, Andrew Nardi, Tanner Scott, Dylan Floro, Harold Ramirez, Jean Segura, Johnny Cueto, etc. moves are you talking about in trying to praise Kim Ng and make this a gender thing?
That lineup is hot garbage and there isn’t much in the minors to upgrade it…
Need someone like Luzardo to bring back a lineup centerpiece. But there certainly isn’t anything there right now. Brujan is interesting. And Mesa Jr.
Look at the Marlins first round pick for the last ten years. If you use 8 or 9 out of every ten 1st round picks on pitchers you will never have a good lineup.
Nashville is 250 miles from Atlanta. 300 miles from St Louis. I think 290 miles to Cincinnati. While I do agree they probably have more Brave fans they have some of all of these. I live near Nashville. They need and will support their own team. Great sports city!
Only if that team has a great owner.
200 IQ GM’ing would be signing Bauer now
How do you not have a job and all 30 GMs disagree then?
Nope.
Any GM that would do that would be more in line with having an IQ that has two less 0s than you mention.
So what are you saying about @thelegendaryharambe who seems to his biggest fan boy on this site?
2 IQ move to sign a fairly recent Cy Young winner for the league minimum?
Loser
You only remember the good things that NG did, too, I suppose. Still, its hard to see the glass half full with Bauer, so Kudos on your optimism. Just don’t drink from that glass.
That requires an owner who does not care what anyone thinks about him.
And doesn’t mind protests or falling ticket sales.
who needs tickets when you’re happy with crickets?
Some baseball team owner should go full Al Davis and hire the bad boys that no one else will touch.
Tampa was always that team. Played actual rapists.
It’s just MLB keeping Wander Franco out of their lineup.
Dillon Head and Jazz Chisholm/Josh Bell will as a mean trio take the Marlins to the 2028 National League Championship Series?
Will Josh Bell even be playing then?
Nope
You bet he will, BannedMarlinsFanBase…
I will repeat what I said yesterday. This trade is ridiculous. Period.
Oh yeah, and this season is every bit as much of Kim Ng’s fault because this is her cruddy bullpen.
I’m still waiting for Kim Ng to have done what we heard here: mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/marlins-trade-rumors-bu…
Have you ever watched a bullpen?
@kylegocougs
Can you please clarify?
Are you referring to the part of the team that has to hold games when handed a lead?
or
Do you mean when a pitcher gets his work in?
One is called “the bullpen” and the other is called “a bullpen”. I know both very well and watched both. Have you?
@BMFB
You always repeat what you said yesterday.
Why don;t you give it a rest until you have something new to say?
@UKPhil
Then why don’t all of the delusional Kim Ng BS artist give it a rest until they have something new…which has been nothing except throwing her name out there, but not giving one single bit of information that supports that she was a good GM except for her team made the playoffs in 2023 which is only one of her three years…and none of them knowing why that team made the playoffs in 2023, while not knowing why it didn’t in 2021 or 2022 as they won’t in 2024.
Say something to them since you’re saying to me…otherwise you give it a rest until they say something new or you say something to them like you have to me. Call them out for their BS that never is followed up with support why they have their Kim Ng misinformation that ignores her ineptitude as a GM.
I appreciate McPherson for asking Bendix some hard questions. Bendix, however, sounded pretty unsure about whether Sherman would ever spend more on payroll or how they plan on building a consistent 90+ win team besides crossing his fingers.
Sherman is the problem. The Marlins only problem is their owner Sherman. Until that problem is solved nothing else can be.
This move with Arraez clearly shows that now.
Man, many of us thought that people whining about Jorge Mas should have been the owner was just emotional loyalty to a very popular local success story, but this is showing that Mas really should be the owner of the team
This Arraez move clearly shows tone deafness.
Well at least Bendix is used to dealing with a cheap owner from his years in Tampa.
The Rays are among the highest spending teams on scouting, technology, bio-mechanics, and data analytics. The Marlins among the lowest.
@web
That is what Bendix spent the winter doing. Hiring people who would bring in and use the technology.
He was so busy with that he had no time to work on this year’s Major League team
He hired a few people, and they still have one of the smallest player development staffs in baseball. Not THE smallest, but close.
I must be a slow learner you know that the Marlins went to the playoffs last year?
Tigers should have traded torkelson
A team whose biggest need is a power hitter should have traded their only 30 HR hitter? I seem to have missed this amazing offer that would have been required. Torkelson always starts slow, but yes, its worrisome.
Congrats Marlins, you are the new worst franchise in baseball! Paid down all of Arraez’s contract (albiet for a good return, but still shouldn’t have had to pay it all down), and he has as many hits as you have runs today. And you lose by 16 to OAKLAND. LMAO.
Why did the Phillies accept Marlins uniforms from Nike?
@DarkSide830
You left out the part where we won the following day, 12 – 3. But that’s all right. Talk all the trash you want. Because once we’re back in contention, guys like you are nowhere to be found.
Listen, I’m a seasoned mlb the show GM. Let me have the job and I’ll get that team in the playoffs next year bro.
There’s a new kinda tank in LoanDepot Park!
I liked several of Ng’s moves at the time. Signing Skip Schumacher. Trading Eder for Burger. Extending Sandy Alcantara. Trading Bleday for Puk. Alcantara looks bad now due to injury, but it was a reasonable risk when signed. I thought Puk would be a solid setup man and that Bleday had no future. Obviously the A’s better evaluated Bleday than me. I thought not trading Eury was key, but he joined Sandy on the shelf. Garrett has also been injured. I was lukewarm about trading Pablo because Arraez belongs at 1B or DH. I disliked the Bell signing and wanted to retain Soler. Avisail was a horrible signing. If Sandy, Eury, Jesus, Garrett were all healthy I saw Puk and Trevor as set up men. I saw Tanner when he was awful and his success after that was surprising to me. I did not like the Segura signing although he was even worse than I projected at the plate. The bullpen was not as critical as getting some offense, but on the Marlins’ cheap owners’ budget, there is no margin for error. I think Ng was in the top 67% among GMs, but the starting pitching injuries to Sandy, Eury and Garrett have derailed the team. I like the acquisition of Dillon Head, but I know little about the other two prospects. Skeptical about the relief pitcher acquired. I felt the overall haul even for Arraez as a DH or 1B was light.
Oh, my fifth starting pitcher would be Max Meyer. I would have him in the majors even if he needs a pitch count limit of 80-85.
“Pending free agents such as first baseman Josh Bell, shortstop Tim Anderson, and left-hander Tanner Scott all seem like good bets to move at some point this season given Bendix’s acknowledged plan to prioritize future value over the current season.”
Yes, teams will be lining up to acquire Mr. 47 OPS+ Tim Anderson. This was scratch ticket they purchased that will not be paying off.
Tanner Scott, a lefty closer with decent K rate but a terrible walk rate might net them something. I would hate to see them deal from the young starting pitchers. That would really make the rebuild take some time. Cabrera, Rogers, Luzardo, Meyer and Weathers are young and decent starters. If they could find some bullpen arms and then get lucky with about 4 guys in the lineup… they could be decent. Chisholm needs to take the next step and become a fraction of his hype. de La Cruz continue to be a little better than average. Brujan take over 2B. Jesus Sanchez continue pounding the ball (93 mph Exit Velo). They need a catcher, 1B, and SS.
Josh Bell, shortstop Tim Anderson, and left-hander Tanner Scott all seem like good bets to move
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Sure, if you pick up 100% of their salaries, the Marlins “might” get a lottery ticket.
I doubt there’s any demand for Jazz Chisholm, Tanner Scott, Josh Bell and especially Tim Anderson as trade targets. The Marlins are absolutely in the tear down phase of their rebuild.
Jazz and Scott would definitely be in demand.
I kind of like this deal. Arraez is a great hitter. He gets on base… but other than that, not much. No speed, no power no defense. They get in return, three lefty hitters… 2 CF types and a 1B who have great walk rates and K rates. They play solid defense. The 2 outfielders have great speed. The 1B has some power, but more like a Mattingly type 1B. and a relief pitcher who has a huge K rate.
It’s not a terrible deal. I think the Padres win this deal only because they get the best years of Arraez and he should fit right in with San Diego right now. Marlins will get something out of this down the line.
Head will likely be the fastest human in MLB, assuming he gets to the show. Marsee isn’t lightning, but an excellent baserunner and can steal at high rate. The big question with both will be if their bats can handle ML pitching. Marsee is far more seasoned both defensively and offensively, and close to 4th OF level right now. He had a chance to start in CF for Pads OD but was outcompeted by Merrill (and a bulked up Azocar), but that’s not a big slight on Marsee.
Baseball needs to do something about teams that lose more than a certain number of games, maybe it’s 100. When you lose more than 100 games (if that’s the number), you get a penalty in what round you get to draft. So, yes a 99 loss team could get to draft ahead of a 100 loss team. There has some sort of penalty for an abhorrent record. Just a thought on a Sunday morning. Consider it Stinko Duh Mayo.
I thought the number 1 pick should go to the team with the best record that misses the playoffs. There would be no incentive for losing. Worst record in baseball and you get the 20th pick. Or, thereabouts depending on how many teams get in the playoffs. Seems to change every year.
Terrible teams have been a constant thoroughout baseball history. It’s nothing new. Look up the Washington Senators and St. Louis Browns.
The GM is just following orders from ownership.
It’s says in it 2003 not 2023..
trade Puk and Luzardo to the Yankees
for a few of the Yankees’ A-Ball pitching prospects that will be ready by 2026
Fire!! Put out the fire!! Relax it’s will be fine, it’s just a fire sale.
On the one hand I get the Marlins need a talent infusion in the worst way, but paying down Arraez’s contract and taking on salary (albeit minimal for Go) is ludicrous to me. Martorella and Marsee seem like moderate floor guys who could help fairly soon, and while Go is in the same boat, he’s only controlled for 2-3 years with a clock that’s already ticking. Head I’m not personally high on, but he’s far away and a first-round talent so I can understand the value (somewhat).
The trade feels bizarre.. either the industry (including Marlins) are completely down on a comtact-oriented DH type who averaged a .360 wOBA from 2022-2023 or Bendix sees something he really likes in the return that I’m missing.
is “never” a timeline?
Bendix? Gimme a brake.
Twins need a fifth starter. Let’s get a trade done for Luzardo or Cabrera. We’ve got AA and AAA talent to put together a decent package for one of them…
“Trade Tim Anderson…” to whom, for what?
Instead of moving one player here and another player here, etc, MOVE THE ENTIRE CRAPPY FRANCHISE OUT OF FLORIDA!
@ALou
Been a Fish fan since the beginning (1993). I still am, and will always be one. Guys like you make me laugh. The Marlins have a beautiful, state-of-the-art ballpark and a very long-term (and ironclad) commitment to remain in South Florida. You want them to relocate? Don’t hold your breath. People might start calling you Mr. Blue. Instead, you should make an effort to attract an expansion team to your city.
Letting Josh Bell and Tim Anderson walk (or flipping them) won’t be a difficult decision.
I like the return the Marlins got for Arraez, but boy, the Padres’ lineup looks really good with him in it. I think it’s a good trade for both sides.
Fold move by the Fish.