Giants left-hander Blake Snell might be available before the trade deadline, with the Yankees, Padres and Cubs having already been connected to him in rumors. The Orioles can be added to that pile, as Jon Heyman of The New York Post reports on X that the O’s are “aiming high” at the deadline thanks to their new owner and strong farm system.
The Orioles have generally acted very conservatively in recent years, hardly spending any money at all. MLBTR’s Contract Tracker shows that, since April 2018, the O’s haven’t given out a larger contract than the $13MM deal for Craig Kimbrel. The only multi-year deals they have given out have been two-year extensions for John Means and Félix Bautista, players that were already controllable but facing recoveries from Tommy John surgeries.
The lack of spending was somewhat justifiable while the club was in the depths of a rebuild, but it has carried over into the new competitive window that they are currently in. It has been speculated that things might open up once the planned sale of the club went through and there are some signs that is now happening.
David Rubenstein’s purchase of the club didn’t become official until the end of March, the cusp of Opening Day, so the O’s still had a fairly modest offseason. But here in the lead-up to the deadline, they have shown a willingness to absorb some money, both for this year and into the future. They acquired Zach Eflin from the Rays, with that pitcher still owed roughly $3.8MM of his $11MM salary and a big spike to $18MM next year. They also acquired Seranthony Dominguez from the Phillies, who is making $4.25MM this year and has an $8MM club option for next year.
Acquiring Snell would be a risky proposition on account of his opt-out but the O’s are perhaps the club best suited to take such a risk. As recently laid out by MLBTR’s Anthony Franco in a piece for Front Office subscribers, teams are usually hesitant to trade for players with player options or the ability to opt out. There’s no real difference between the terms “player option” or “opt-out”, as either one gives the player the control over what transpires.
Trading for such a player at the deadline comes with more downside than upside for the acquiring club. If the player performs well, they will trigger the opt-out and leave, making them a rental. If they perform poorly or get hurt, the club is stuck with them at a price that’s unpalatable, as the player wouldn’t have accepted it otherwise.
Due to their lack of spending in recent years, the O’s came into this year with almost nothing on the books for 2025 and beyond. The $1MM owed to Bautista was the only guarantee, though they have since added Eflin’s $18MM, as mentioned. They have a few club options and some arbitration-eligible players, but they have hardly anything committed for next year.
Snell signed a two-year, $62MM deal with the Giants coming into 2024. That comes in the form of a $15MM salary and $17MM signing bonus, the latter of which is reportedly not transferable to a trade partner. He then has a $30MM player option for next year.
The results have been inconsistent so far, as they have been throughout much of Snell’s career. He has two Cy Young awards, in 2018 and 2023, but struggled in between. Though he was in Cy Young form just last year, his 2024 got off to a rough start.
Since he didn’t sign until the second half of March, he had a hasty ramp-up and then struggled in his first three starts. He landed on the injured list with an adductor strain, came back for three more bad outings, then returned to the IL with a groin strain.
He was sitting on a 9.51 ERA after those six starts but has since returned and been dominant. He’s made four starts since coming off his second IL stint and only allowed two earned runs in 24 innings. He has struck out 35.7% of batters faced in those four outings, highlighted by punching out 15 Rockies in six shutout innings on Saturday.
The Giants are below .500 at 53-55. That only puts them 3.5 games back of a playoff spot in a relatively weak National League Wild Card race, but they may consider doing some selling. The Playoff Odds at FanGraphs still give them a 21.2% chance of sneaking into the postseason though the PECOTA Standings at Baseball Prospectus have them down at 9.8%, which could lead to them prioritizing the future.
Making Snell available could allow them to recoup some prospect talent while also clearing $30MM off next year’s payroll that they could reinvest in the team. That might happen anyway if Snell opts out but isn’t a guarantee. Such a move would hurt them in 2024 but wouldn’t necessarily punt their season, as they could still go into the stretch run with a rotation core of Logan Webb, Kyle Harrison and Robbie Ray. There’s also Alex Cobb, who was supposed to be reinstated from the IL over the weekend but was delayed by a blister. The club also has young starters like Mason Black and Hayden Birdsong that they could work into the mix.
Snell’s talents will undoubtedly lead to many exploratory calls, but the offers might be tempered by the player option situation. That’s especially true of club’s with competitive balance tax concerns, which applies to the three other clubs connected to Snell. The Yankees are slated to be a third-time payor and above the fourth tax tier, meaning they are facing a 110% tax on any new spending they take on. Next year’s payroll is more open but they will want to have some powder dry for making a run at Juan Soto and other free agents. The Padres and Cubs are both right up against the base CBT threshold this year and seem loath to cross it.
The O’s are nowhere near any tax concerns and have loads of payroll flexibility, making them an interesting fit on Snell. The front of their rotation now consists of Corbin Burnes, Grayson Rodriguez and Eflin, with Dean Kremer and Albert Suárez in the back end. Kremer’s career 4.32 ERA makes him fine for eating regular season innings but the O’s would ideally like to push him out of consideration for playoff starts. Suarez has a solid 3.62 ERA this year but is a 34-year-old journeyman who didn’t pitch in the majors from 2018 to 2023, meaning Baltimore probably doesn’t want to be relying on him either.
Whether it’s Snell or someone else, it seems possible they make some kind of bold strike in the days to come. In addition to the payroll flexibility, their farm system is regarded as one of the best in the league, giving them plenty of prospect capital to work with. The trade deadline is Tuesday at 5pm Central.
kodion
Go get him, O’s!!! This is a Win Now play if there ever was one!
Fever Pitch Guy
kodion – Agreed!
I still laugh at the folks who were trashing Snell earlier in the season. Everyone but them realized the absence of ST would set him back to start the season.
sanfranb27
Plus, historically, Snell is a second half demon
The Crow's Nest
It’s a shame that he’d gotten his pitch count up past 100 by the sixth inning. Otherwise he had a decent chance to break the 20K record! But it was ridiculous while it lasted. The Rockie batters had zero idea what was coming until the ball crossed the plate.
LosPobres1904
Plus he pitches well in the post-season.
Pete'sView
This is the perfect fit for both teams, and how rare is that? With Snell the Orioles are WS favorites. With a couple of Oriole prospects (birds won’t part with Jackson Holliday) like Coby Mayo and Connor Norby. Or in Norby’s place, Ryan Mountcastle or Heston Kjerstad, the Giants are loading up on offense for next year. This is just too good to miss..
Maybe the Giants toss in Camilo Doval to sweeten the deal and get more back from the birds.
frugalfarhan
I am all in on a trade around Mayo and Kjerstad for Snell and Camilo. I don’t even think it would weaken the Giants chances of making a run at the playoffs which are zero right now
b00giem@n
Please just take Montas from us..
-Reds
This one belongs to the Reds
Boogie, they talk like Mondas, a failed starter turned reliever, and those relievers that keep blowing leads are going to get them something. Personally I think it is addition by subtraction, though at least Martinez has pitched well out of the bullpen, even though that is not worth the contract he was given.
I Believe We Can Win
I’d do it. Buy low on snell who is bound to have a resurgent season next year. Dude usually has bad year good year bad year good year.
Poolhalljunkies
Buy low? Did you see his last few starts?
Fred Lingenfelser
Last few starts simply made him trade-able. The $30M for next year would make it tough to get too many top prospects for him, especially because of the luxury tax implications most of the Orioles’ competitors would face. He’s not opting out. His track record is too unstable for a team to give him a long-term deal.
Poolhalljunkies
But..when has that stopped any Boras client from testing the market again ?,logically if he can keep this up again. That would be 2 seasons in a row and thus improve hus track record. That said if nothing else its a fair gamble for someone in his shoes..id bet the opt out is only there in case of injury as far as he is concerned
I Believe We Can Win
Buy low? Did you see the opponents his last 4 starts? TOR, MIN, LAD, COL. Minny had just lost Correa. Hardly murderers row. So yes buy low.
sportznut1000
If it is “buy low” then i doubt the giants trade snell. Similar to them not moving Rodon a couple years ago. The Giants are fielding offers, but they (ownership) would much rather try and make a low percentage playoff run with snell.
Poolhalljunkies
Thats fair..then you wont get him ..plus are you really going to judge by schedule when the Os just dropped 2 of 3 to the marlins just dont think the giants need to sell low..mightbas well keep him
Fever Pitch Guy
Believe – And having ST next year will also be a huge benefit.
mikenedy
The Giants are going to want a good prospect back. If you low ball then we just will keep him for our WC run 3.5 back with one of the top rotations in the NL.. He would be the best pitcher in the Yankees rotation and #2 behind Burnes in the O;s rotation. A true difference maker.
edges64
Seems unlikely that Snell would opt out even if he pitches well down the stretch
Poolhalljunkies
What makes you think that? Hes a Boras client and now that hes on track after missing spring training looks like the same guy that won the nl cy young last year
User 401527550
Same guy who couldn’t get signed until after the season started.
Pls Stop
Yeah just ignore the context around why that happened
User 401527550
Because nobody will give him a long term contract.
edges64
That guy who won the NL cy young got 2/62 at peak value
YaGottaBelieveAgain
He would if he thinks he can get a 5-7 year contract from some team next year – say at AAV of 27M with maybe a signing bonus.
It could be front or back loaded with or without deferred money
Jean Matrac
I disagree. I think it’s almost guaranteed, if he pitches well from until the end of the season/postseason, that he will opt out. If he doesn’t opt out he’ll be on a 1-year/$30M deal. If he opts in and gets injured, he’s screwed himself.
And why would he opt in only to have to re-enter free-agency again in 2026 when he’s a year older? A strong finish in 2024, gives him the chance at more security with a multi-year deal. Players tend to bet on themselves, and that’s what opting out would be.
CardsFan57
I see the Orioles going for a Jon Gray or another less risky option. Snell carries more risk than the Orioles are normally comfortable with. They certainly have the position talent to get a good starter.
Rocker49
Well considering Jon Gray just hurt his groin yesterday I highly doubt that one.
King Floch
New billionaire owner is a local Baltimore boy and lifelong Orioles fan in his 70s.
I don’t think he wants to slowroll/half-arse it.
Os1995
New ownership. No idea what the risk tolerance for the franchise is currently.
Jean Matrac
Snell’s ceiling is a lot higher than Gray’s. Their floor isn’t much different. If they’re going to go for a title, they go for Snell.
Pete'sView
Snell risky? Not now he isn’t and that’s all The Birds need to get them to The Series—and win it. What a rotation that would be: Burnes, Snell, Rodriguez!
King Floch
Snell to the O’s for Jud Fabian and Juan Nunez, with the Giants paying Snell’s remaining 2024 salary. LFG.
sanfranb27
Absolutely not. Who are those players? You aren’t getting Snell for anything less than Holliday or Basallo or Mayo and 2-3 more top 25 prospects if you want the Giants to pay out the rest of his 2024 salary. If Baltimore takes on his salary, that drops the prospect return to the Beavers/Povich/Stowers range.
King Floch
“You aren’t getting Snell for anything less than Holliday or Basallo or Mayo”
‘Kay, bye 🙂
cooperhill
LMFAO!
Pete'sView
Holliday is going nowhere, but I think you should say your goodbyes to Coby.
gorav114
That’s crazy talk
Blackpink in the area
San Fran you don’t know what you are talking about. No clue.
Fred Lingenfelser
@sanfranb27 The 2025 salary is the bigger issue. Thats $30M and he’s almost certainly not opting out of that. Giants paid him a lot of his 2024 salary already as a signing bonus, so the 2024 salary isn’t really that much. Yankees and several other teams won’t want to add $30M to their payroll, because of how much in luxury tax they’re paying on top of that. So I can’t see many teams matching whatever the Orioles are willing to give, and that won’t even be so overwhelming.
King Floch
I think he will opt out if he pitches at least okay and doesn’t get injured.
The “if” is the problem though and it could be a really big problem “if” something goes wrong after the trade.
jbigz12
I think Rubinstein is ok though. The Carlyle Group actually prints money unlike anything else the Angelos family had going on right now. He has capacity and appears to have a lot of desire.
holecamels35
Snell is not being traded for much, you’re insane. Even if Giants pay this year’s salary, which they shouldn’t because Orioles have a lot of money, Snell can stay for 30m next year. Now is that 30m for an elite pitcher or for a question mark? Either way, that cost doesn’t have a lot of value.
Pls Stop
Snell isn’t nearly as valuable as you think; certainly not enough to get consensus top 20-30 prospects. If he pitches well he’s a rental; if he sucks, you owe him 30 million next year. That makes his trade value tank and to think you’re getting multiple top prospects ON TOP of one of Holliday/Basallo/Mayo is absurd
Pete'sView
It’s Mayo that will be dealt or the Orioles can finish out of the money this year.
The Crow's Nest
Clearly you haven’t seen his last four starts. ERA: .75
rayw
You’re high, dude. Not for a rental. None of those 3 will be part of the deal. And both of those prospects listed are good prospects. Giants need to get something moving forward – this is obviously not their year and Snell will be gone.
letitbelowenstein
Snell for Holliday? So there’s perhaps a Mickey Holliday or a Timmy Holliday in the O’s system?
The Crow's Nest
Holliday, schmolliday. What has he done to impress us all?
If Blake Snell hasn’t had enough of Boras for at least a few years, I’d be surprised. It’s not like Boras is real popular with his clients after this past Winter.
Fred Lingenfelser
I feel like Stowers also is included, or at least in some deal before the deadline.
King Floch
Yeah, he’d absolutely be fair game. He’s a Cali boy too, so he’d probably get comfy quickly.
JoeBrady
Fabian might be gone with 103 Ks in 306 ABs in AA at age 23. Nunez is a 23 year old RP in A+. I don’t see much value there.
Jean Matrac
While the Giants aren’t getting Holiday, Basallo, or Mayo, the O’s aren’t getting Snell for 45 and 40+ guys with the Giants paying Snell’s salary. None of us have any idea how much the Giants like Fabian and Nunez. On the chance that they do, that might be enough. But no salary is being paid by SF. If that’s the O’s demand then the Giants can probably get a better deal elsewhere.
Pete'sView
King Floch — Ha, ha.
Old York
Funny, he essentially has the same FIP as last year, when he won the Cy. Guy’s cooked. Probably wouldn’t improve the O’s chances.
CurtBlefary
Except that in four starts since returning from the IL he has allowed 2 runs in 24 innings!!! Eight hits and 30 K’s!
Old York
@CurtBlefary
I guess if you cherry pick data, sure…
Blackpink in the area
Snell got off to a bad start because he signed late. He’s also a notoriously slow starter. This is a time where cherry picking is reasonable.
CurtBlefary
Cherry picked. He missed spring training and then got hurt! You believe a guy who won the CY Young last year is cooked! Interesting take???
Old York
@CurtBlefary
I sure do. Best take, today.
zlee
Most brain dead take of the day.
Old York
@zlee
A dead brain wouldn’t think so that doesn’t make sense. Try again…
The Crow's Nest
Cherry pick?? C’mon. Watch something other than what happens in Baltimore.
Old York
@The Crow’s Nest
How can I not? They’re the best thing since sliced bread.
Pete'sView
Old York — You haven’t been paying attention.
Old York
@Pete’sView
Given most users on here, I try not to…
Fred Lingenfelser
I see Snell taking the player option for next year. I can’t see him opting out. He’s not getting a better deal this offseason than he did last offseason. I believe GMs will make this calculation as well, and so I really see the Orioles making this trade.
Jean Matrac
I almost guaranteed that he opts out. He doesn’t want to risk having to go back into free-agency in 2026 when he’s a year older, with the risk of him getting injured in 2025. He’ll get a multi=year deal. in 2025 He’ll gladly take a lower AAV for the security of more years. The only way he opts in is he gets injured or the wheels fall off this season.
VTGiant
Giants are 3.5 games out of Wild Card, with Farhan’s ass probably on the line, why would he deal a guy that just struck out 15 batters?
Unless he can get AT LEAST 2 or 3 top 10 prospects?
This is a guy that could win 3 or 4 post season games for ya.
Simm
Maybe because they have like a 17% chance in making the playoffs. Plus they still have enough pitching to be competitive without snell. Getting some prospects back is smart business when the playoffs odds are long.
Fred Lingenfelser
Because you want to trade guys who look good now. Thats where you maximize your return. Giants are 3.5 back but still under 500. If the goal isn’t to win the WS, it’s best to sell, to bolster the chances for the following years with a deeper roster. Just as Snell could win 3 or 4 playoff games, he could also get injured again next week. The return won’t be great for Snell because of the salary, but do the Giants want to spend $30M on him next year, or on someone else while picking up some prospect capital?
Fred Lingenfelser
It would essentially be the same calculation the Orioles made the other year when they traded their all star closer Jorge Lopez….although minus the payroll part of the equation.
sanfranb27
The goal should always be to get to the postseason (unless you are the Dodgers, Astros, Yankees etc) – after that, you hope you get hit at the right time and make a run like Arizona last year. I do think they have enough rotation to get there without Snell, and the return on him could be significant (either Holliday/Basallo or Mayo) if you don’t mind paying down a portion of his contract. Baltimore could take on his entire remaining salary and lower the prospect return, but they should still be good enough pieces (Povich/Beavers/Norby/Stowers) to lead the team in the future.
Samuel
“…either Holliday/Basallo or Mayo”
LOL
In your dreams.
zlee
You ain’t gettin Snell then. A two time Cy Young winner who’s coming off a 15 k performance and the Orioles are competing with five or six other teams for his services. It’s a seller’s market and whoever gets him, is going to (over)pay. Otherwise, the Giants hold on to him.
Pete'sView
Gotta be Mayo to start the conversation.
JoeBrady
Giants are 3.5 back but still under 500.
=========================
It requires a bit of an act of faith with Birdsong & Ray, but the Giants might have the best rotation in the NL right now.
They should be trading for some hitting.
Pete'sView
This 100%!
gorav114
2 or 3 top ten is possible but they’ll be 5-10 guys. Orioles 5-10 guys are top 5 in most other organizations. Not getting Holliday, Bassallo, or Mayo
jbigz12
Yeah. No QO for Snell to recoup a pick when he walks either for SF. I’m thinking Norby is the ceiling w/ significant money eaten.
Pete'sView
Not happening that way.
The Crow's Nest
Once again, Holliday is unproven, as is anyone who hasn’t produced in the big show for more than 15 to 20 games.
TellItGoodbye
I agree. The Giants staff is looking close to the best in MLB. Why dismantle it when you’re only 3.5 games out. Webb needs to figure out what his issues are. He’s been mostly dreadful over the last 7 appearances. Snell, Birdsong, Harrison, and Ray are killin’ it!
Longtimecoming
Ironically, I picked O’s in the free agent contest! Can I get 1/2 credit if they trade for him?
Old York
@Longtimecoming
It’s a FA contest not a trade deadline contest.
Speaking of that, maybe MLBTR should have had a Trade Deadline contest as well. See who’s the smartest armchair GM.
Blackouts are racist
How does guessing where Player A will go make you an armchair GM? What skills does that require?
Old York
@Blackouts are racist
The armchair part. It’s like the Monday Morning QB.
AceKing
Deduction, reasoning, MLB salary knowledge…
Longtimecoming
Blackout – about the same skill as the FA contest for which York was comparing. Pay attention.
Or do you somehow think the FA contest does require skill?
letitbelowenstein
No, but you may man the crystal ball at our state fair in October.
Non Roster Invitee
Who would the Giants receive?
sanfranb27
Depends on how much 2024 salary Baltimore (or any other team) is willing to take on. If the receiving team takes more salary, the prospect return goes down. The more salary the Giants eat, the higher the prospect return. That will be the difference between a Holliday/Basallo/Mayo headlined package and a Povich/Beavers/Norby/Stowers headlined package. IMO
Blackpink in the area
Holliday Basallo and Mayo are going NOWHERE in a deal for Snell.
Snell signed as a free agent and hasn’t performed until the last few starts. If he has any positive trade value at all it’s not much.
AceKing
Gunnar, Adley, and Corbin Burnes, obviously.
Goose
Since he can opt out of his contract he probably won’t cost them a top 5 prospect. I can see something like Kjerstad and a secondary prospect or a guy like Mullins going to the Padres. It would solve some of their needs.
The question is will the Orioles move Holliday if they get a really good starter with time left like Burnes.
CurtBlefary
Snell pitches for the Giants!
Gmen777
Orioles make most sense. I don’t think the Giants are gonna look for salary relief but a really high prospect. The O’s can give a organizational top 10 prospect or two and not decimate their system.
kwolf68
YES, Snell value would be down because of optout so he won’t command what he otherwise would.
However, to suggest he’s not going to command a legit return is silly. Why?
1-There are multiple teams competing for him (so says the article). Demand and Supply, low supply high demand raises price
2-Snell is elite and while he is up and down, when he’s on he’s arguably the best lefty SP in the sport. Orioles, Yankees, and whoever would be getting Snell to try to win a Title. Flags fly forever and prospects mostly bust.
Orioles won’t get Snell with Fabian as a headliner and Yankees won’t get him with Pierrea as the headliner. Both NYY and Baltimore can get it done while retaining a nice prospect base, but dream on if you think you won’t need to part with a top 5 guy in your system.
Blackpink in the area
He’s getting paid a ton that’s why he isnt worth anything. Giants fans are delusional.
zlee
The Giants will eat salary for better prospects. It’s the only way they’d be willing to move Snell..
cwsOverhaul
If Elias was okay with dealing from their very top prospects be it Holliday or Mayo, it would likely only be for Skubal.
This may be his best of both worlds avoidance if owner says take on all Snell $ risk in order to limit prospect return at Norby + couple lower.
gorav114
Much better move then giving up a haul for Skubal. Alex Cobb’s blisters have blisters
Samuel
As an O’s fan (among other teams) I hope this is more of Heyman’s typical clickbait BS.
This is Max Scherzer to the Dodgers revisited.
TellItGoodbye
“…and Hayden Birdsong that they could work into the mix”
Work into the mix?? He’s been a monster and is currently their 2nd best pitcher to Snell as Webb flails away.
Humm bumms
Go big or go home. Holliday for Snell
King Floch
Haha, NO.
C Yards Jeff
I can think of 8+ million reasons why the Orioles FO will not move Holliday.
TellItGoodbye
Giants should sweeten the deal with Doval to get even better prospects. He’s on the brink of losing his closer status.
bag o ballz
I am in favor of doval moving considering walker could be bumped up and crawford is in the wings – there are a lot of back end bullpen arms and doval is probably in prime territory to be traded
tigerdoc616
Snell will be cheaper than Skubal or Crochet in terms of prospects. O’s should be able to pry him loose from the Giants and still hold on to their top prospects.
bag o ballz
can you imagine how he would look in orange and black…. oh wait.
sfjackcoke
This makes perfect sense, I called out BAL as the best fit landing spot last Friday for all the reasons stated in the article. New ownership, deep farm, bonus points for not being in CBT (yes you NYY, LAD) and that if BAL org learned anything last season is that’s top of the rotation arms and power bullpens win in October. BAL has Burnes albeit for 1yr, to pair him with Snell makes perfect sense.
Conventional wisdom says the “opt out” makes this sort of deal difficult for teams taking on the injury risk. That the risk would lower the prospect return to SFG who’d just as soon keep him if that’s all they are going to get, as the article points out with a win streak of their own have their own playoff hopes..
With NYY/SD in the bidding + a return satisfying SF ownership who historically are very reluctant to sell, I expect the return to acquire Snell would be steeper than expected. One could argue SD/NYY need him more than BAL does, however neither has the deep farm. BAL does.
I do not think it will be Snell alone. I think it will be Snell + a bench player, bullpen, etc Some times it’s just about the match and by all accounts of the BAL system, they likely provide the easiest match..
thickiedon
If the deal goes bad, it goes REAL bad: out over $40MM, prospects, and no World Series. Better alternatives, O’s.
Melchez17
If Snell stays healthy, I think he walks. $30 mil for 1 year or $20 mil a year for multiple years and many incentives.
Rickover50
Is this a bluff to Detroit? Are we going to see Baltimore and every available pitcher ? And good luck if he sucks next year after taking the 30 mil
cwsOverhaul
That would be an amateurish bluff in that DET is perfectly happy to keep Skubal. They won’t take less than Holliday or Mayo as the headliner of a big ask.
DanUgglasRing
Farhan can’t even sign guys to tradable contracts it’s incredible. Hopefully they get something useful and send the O’s off to win a ring with Snell.
claude raymond
Will you ever post something intelligent DUR? 5 mill is left on the contract for this season. Signing Snell to this contract was specifically done so it was tradeable. A new team could care less if Snell has an opt out. They’d want him for THIS YEARs pennant run. What’s incredible is your ignorance. “oh, you mean we can have Snell for 2 months and only cost $5 mill!?” That’s what prospective trade partners are seeing. Who knows what Uggla is seeing?
DanUgglasRing
And what would they possibly get in return that would be worth trading Snell now that they’re barely sniffing .500? Because unless they throw in Black Roupp or Birdsong they aren’t getting anything worth a trade. May as well keep him at this point then miss the playoffs and he opts out ala Rodon DUUURRRRR YOU FREAKIN BOZO
claude raymond
His contract makes him VERY attractive dumas. You’re original post stated the contract was “incredibly” untradeable. 2 months of Snell at how he’s currently performing will garner a ton of attention. It’s only 5 million. If you can’t see this, BOZO, get new clown glasses.
DanUgglasRing
Wow you’re right! He was so easily tradable that they went and got their guy! Other teams clamored to pay the remainder of his contract! The giants are flush with prospects! Oh wait a second. EXACTLY what I said was going to happen, happened. Enjoy the red nose, loser.
DUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Nevrfolow
FZ has a history of standing pat so he’s really got to have these other GM’s convince him by offering up a little extra.
williem
As a Giants fan, O’s can have Taylor Roger’s, Tyler Roger’s, any Roger’s. Just get them out of SF.
claude raymond
Mr McDonald, you wrote that they could work Black or Birdsong into the mix. Birdsong? Pay attention sir. He’s been in the mix for a month and arguably 2nd best only to Snell. Your lack of knowledge on a story about one team kinda devalued the validity of the article.
Carcass Melancholy
I understand if you are a SF fan you want to believe you are getting a great return but dont see it as one that will please most SF fans. I dont see a fraction of a % chance Holliday Mayo Basallo or Kjerstad would be included. For a lot of reasons I think it will be one that makes SF fans go, that’s it?!?!? whichever team gets him.
Part of that feeling is teams seem able to get guys on the cheap most of the time in recent years. I think Jazz Chisholm is a great add for the Yankees who outside of two guys had dreadful hitting. Controlled for maybe 2 1/2 years on a 20 HR 30 SB pace, can play multiple important positions, has an ideal personality for NY, cost them next to nothing. I am an Os fan and so happy we added Eflin who can be a consistent high innings guy in the 3.90 to 4.20 ERA space, not a rental so we have him for next year. Was even happier to see we traded something like our 12th and 18th best prospects. I feel its surprising how often the price to acquire seems very low. Hate it when my team is a seller because the return feels low right then.
If Snell had been pitching as he had in his last 4-5 starts all year and was guaranteed for next year, could see a Mayo Basallo return. But that isn’t the situation. He has a 5.10 ERA and selective viewing can hurt later on. He has been hurt. You cant be assured he will stay healthy or something will be reaggravated. The contract is far from ideal because if he is great you may lose him. If he is terrible or hurt for part or all of next year you 100% keep him. SF has a lot of risk in him reinjuring himself or the hot streak ending and him saying yes thank you on 30M.
I think one of Norby Stowers Povich Seth Johnson makes sense and possibly two. Personally I probably would offer two with the fear that a team that does not mind financial risk or paying heavy taxes would swoop in and outbid. But wont be surprised if its even lower than that. It just seems to be the way and also think SF is motivated to move with that risk of him accepting the 30M and potentially not being on top of his game or healthy. A month ago a trade would seem close to impossible. So they may want to take advantage of the streak and lose the risk.
Pete'sView
SF is not at all concerned about next year’s contract, whether or not Snell would opt out. The Orioles are so close to “the promised land” that they’d be nuts NOT to trade for Snell.
None of the prospects you mention would entice the Giants sufficiently as the headliner. I think it has to be Mayo or the Giants close the door.
Carcass Melancholy
There is no chance on Earth its Mayo. The only potentially tradeable SP who could be swapped for Mayo is Skubal, a guy who could win the Cy with 2 1/2 years of control, and that is probably why the Os are talking to SF because they love the idea of the price being so much less and being able to keep him and other similar prospects. Name a time in the last 8 years when a guy with a guaranteed 2 months left with a 5 ERA and an injury was swapped for a top 20 prospect.
dubtastic
Mountcastle/Prospect for Snell/Flores
ACC
OF COURSE, Snell will opt out next year if not injured. If he doesn’t opt out, it will be one year left for $30 mill. Even if he doesn’t get the type of long term deal he wants in free agency, he will easily get an equal 1 yr/30 mill deal, so there is no down side to opting out. The only way he doesn’t opt out is an injury, which will be an expensive mistake for anyone trading for him. This risk is why he won’t be traded for top prospects. Plus, many of Orioles competition all has luxury tax concerns and Orioles won’t bid against themselves.
It does make sense as Giants can save money, and get out from injury risk/option, while Orioles are well positioned to take that risk because of low payroll and not wanting to part with top prospects. However, Orioles likely give a decent prospect from second tier, but it is laughable to think they give a top prospect like Holiday or Mayo for a rental (at best) or possibly eat $30 mill next season. I’m thinking someone in the Stowers, Beavers, or Fabian mold. Possibly Mountcastle or Mullins if Giants have interest in veterans.
dubtastic
Would Norby be in the same tier prospect as Holiday or Mayo? Norby would be the “prospect” traded w/Mouncastle for Snell/Flores/Mid-Draft pick..O’s have a ton of infielders in the mlb or are prospects..
Nap Lajoie
Not only is it going to cost Holliday, but you’re going to have to eat the entire money owed to Snell!
The Dodgers are offering a deal at least as good as that!
Carcass Melancholy
I imagine that is just trolling. But seriously? A deal as good as that. Are you aware that Holliday is the #1 prospect in baseball? Do the Dodgers have the -1 best prospect in baseball? That does not even make any sense. As good as? The best Dodgers prospect is 46. If they offered their top 10 its not as good as Holliday.
I like Snell. Dont get me wrong. He has 2 Cy Youngs. But, and its an enormous but, he has 3 years with a 4 ERA and under 130 IP. He has the worst imaginable type of contract for a team accepting him in a trade. He has had 5 nice starts but had a 9 ERA prior to those nice starts.
If you are a big SF fan and expect a haul feel free to keep dreaming but you will be disappointed.
TellItGoodbye
At the end of the day, why would the Giants trade Snell? They stand 3.5 games out of the playoffs. Their schedule is way easier for a while than it’s been. If they make it to post season they have a solid 1-2-3 punch. They may have the best starting staff in MLB at the moment. If the only reason to make a trade is to bolster the team with prospects for a future run at the World Series…they have their arms right now, why wait? Why trade? Just dump Conforto and Flores and I’ll be happy.
Not a clever name
The Giants are the A’s with less HR and more base runners. Time to sell
Not a clever name
I was thinking the Giants should go for it, but I looked at the team stats for the upcoming series against Oakland and about the only real difference between the Giants and the A’s in terms of team stats is runs and batting avg. in favor of the Giants and HR largely in favor of the A’s. So really the only thing the Giants have done better than the A’s is get a few extra Runners on base this year. This team is abysmal and should sell everything not locked in for next year by tomorrow after noon.