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Details On Max Fried Bidding

By Darragh McDonald | December 11, 2024 at 1:30pm CDT

1:30pm: A’s general manager David Forst denies that the club made a push for Fried, per Martín Gallegos of MLB.com (X link)

11:55am: One of the top free agents came off the board this week when the Yankees and Max Fried agreed to a stunning eight-year, $218MM deal. Clubs like the Blue Jays and Red Sox were also known to be in the involved but Bob Nightengale of USA Today (X link) reports that the Athletics were “one of the most aggressive teams” in the bidding.

Many fans might roll their eyes at the idea of the A’s getting anywhere near a free agent of this caliber, which would be an understandable position to take. As of a couple of weeks ago, they had never given a free agent more than the $36MM they gave to Yoenis Céspedes back in 2012. They recently broke that record by giving Luis Severino $67MM, a huge jump for them but still relatively modest by league-wide standards and well below the deal that Fried got.

But the A’s have to spend some money somewhere. It was reported this week that the club may need to get its competitive balance tax number up to the $105MM range in order to avoid a grievance from the MLBPA.

That perhaps explains all the recent smoke about an upcoming payroll bump. MLBTR took a detailed look at the A’s last month, in a reporting that references reporting going back to January which hinted at a potential for greater spending. Since then, the A’s have ramped things up with the aforementioned Severino signing. They also reportedly made a strong offer to Sean Manaea, who remains unsigned.

It’s not surprising that they couldn’t get something done with Fried, as the pitching market has been hot. Fried and several other pitchers have exceeded the expectations from the start of the offseason. MLBTR predicted him for six years and $156MM but he blew past that, with guys like Severino, Frankie Montas, Matthew Boyd and other hurlers also outpacing their projections.

It’s generally expected that the A’s will have to overpay to reel in any free agent. Given that the club has been rebuilding for many years and is going to be playing the next three years in a Triple-A park in West Sacramento, no free agents will have them as a first choice. Some guys will simply go where the money is best but some may need a premium before considering the unique circumstances of joining the A’s. That may have been the case with Severino, who was predicted to earn $51MM but got far more than that.

Even if the A’s were theoretically willing to marginally top the Yankees’ offer, Fried may not have taken their money. Still, it suggests that they are still a club to watch in the remainder of the offseason. RosterResource their CBT number is currently at $78MM, so they are still well south of their reported $105MM target. That means they could factor into remaining free agents such as Manaea, Jeff Hoffman, Nick Pivetta or others. Even after adding Severino, the rotation stands out as the best way to upgrade the team while also getting their spending up, with their interest in Fried and Manaea reflecting that.

What also may be notable is that the club doesn’t seem to worried about players who rejected qualifying offers. The A’s already forfeited their third-highest pick in the upcoming draft by signing Severino since he rejected a QO from the Mets. Fried and Manaea also rejected QOs, so the interest from the A’s there suggests they may be willing to forfeit another pick.

Another route could be to acquire a player making a notable salary in trade. For instance, the Yankees now have a surplus in their rotation after signing Fried and might look to move the remainder of Marcus Stroman’s contract. He will make $18MM in 2025 and there’s an $18MM player option for 2026 if he throws 140 innings next year. Stroman arguably doesn’t have a great path to a rotation job in the Bronx but could serve as a solid veteran for the A’s.

Elsewhere in the Fried bidding, Rob Bradford of WEEI reports that the Red Sox’ offer was “significantly” lower than the Yankees. Joel Sherman of The New York Post reports that the Sox were at $190MM over seven years and may have been able to go higher, though with deferrals. Sherman adds that the Rangers were also at $190MM over seven years, though the lack of a state tax in Texas actually made that fairly comparable to the eight years and $210MM the Yankees were offering, forcing them to go higher and symbolically top the $217MM that David Price got from the Red Sox back in 2015.

It’s perhaps not surprising that the Sox fell short given how high the number ended up going, but it does highlight the fact that they haven’t been able to achieve their main offseason goal of upgrading the rotation. They also had interest in pitchers like Blake Snell and Nathan Eovaldi, who have gone elsewhere. Trade talks with the White Sox about Garrett Crochet have apparently stalled. Righty Corbin Burnes is still out there but it’s been reported that they are less likely to win that bidding than the Blue Jays or Giants.

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  1. Clofreesz

    6 months ago

    Why didn’t you do this before in Oakland?

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    • J. Carrillo

      6 months ago

      Because they are now basically the “ Las Vegas “ A’s. Busier city more attraction more revenue

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      • bkbk

        6 months ago

        Naw, he starved out the league in order to get to vegas. Now there is no strategic reasoning to tank.

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        • TrillionaireTeamOperator

          6 months ago

          Likely this- Fisher wanted out of Oakland. He tanked on purpose to move the team.

          See: the plot of the first Major League film.

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        • Canuck2

          6 months ago

          Yep. Lol. Loved that movie

          Reply
    • swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123

      6 months ago

      because grievance from the mlbpa

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      • Baseballisthebest

        6 months ago

        They have to spend 150% of the estimated $105 million in revenue sharing they will recieve on MLB payroll according to CBA. Either that or face a grievance filed by the union that would mean end of revenue sharing for them.

        3
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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          Baseball – The question is, why wasn’t there a grievance in prior years?

          This year they had just a $48M payroll
          Last year it was $43M.
          The year before it was $33M.

          Something doesn’t add up here.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          6 months ago

          Fpg, there was. That is why this was added to the current CBA. It is also why the A’s had their revenue sharing taken away and then slowly increased over the past 4 years. 2025 will be the first year they get 100% of the revenue sharing.

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        • cwsOverhaul

          6 months ago

          Rather than pay premium for FA, maybe try to trade for Luis Robert? That’s 15mil (and 20/20 club options) + potential for high value flip in future that’s equal or more than his value now.

          3
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        • forsterftog

          6 months ago

          As a fellow WS fan I appreciate your effort.

          Reply
        • fjmendez

          6 months ago

          They need a 3B, who is available by trade?

          Reply
        • judgementday99

          6 months ago

          if they are just trying to run up their tab to not get penalized, go after veterans with bad contracts…. DJL on the Yankees comes to mind.

          Reply
        • fjmendez

          6 months ago

          They could do that, but also extend Rooker and Butler. Sounds like they also want to improve the team, so taking on bad contracts do not necessarily make sense for them. They can increase payroll through extension, free agency, and trades. Severino’s contract is proof that some players are willing to play for the A’s, but at a very high cost.

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        • Canuck2

          6 months ago

          They can have Springer.

          Reply
        • Pete'sView

          6 months ago

          See the articles about how the A’s could lose revenue sharing if they don’t spend this season.

          1
          Reply
        • Lemonade24

          6 months ago

          Maybe the A’s can sign local players to a major league contract.

          1
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        • Hammerin' Hank

          6 months ago

          Nobody in their right mind wants DJ LeMahieu. He’s done.

          Reply
    • KnicksFanCavsFan

      6 months ago

      New location. Avoid the grievance. They would likely trade him after a year.

      Reply
    • 28rings

      6 months ago

      they were trying to drive attendance down so they could get out of their lease and move the team to Miami… oops, that was the plot to the movie ‘Major League’

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  2. User 3716094111

    6 months ago

    I give the A’s a great deal of at the very least *trying* to compete by going after legitimate ball players

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    • User 3240017344

      6 months ago

      It’s dope man I love efforts

      Reply
    • NYCityRiddler

      6 months ago

      But in the end, Theeeeeeeeee Yankees Win! Ahahahaha!

      Reply
    • Hammerin' Hank

      6 months ago

      They’d have been better off breaking the bank for Fried than giving that deal to Severino.

      Reply
  3. Marqueef Grissom

    6 months ago

    who dis a’s????

    Reply
  4. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    6 months ago

    I think the A’s ownership has gotten away with being insanely cheap for decades and with the new Vegas stadium in the near future and the fact that their ownership group isn’t exactly broke and they basically use the league subsidies to fill out their major league roster payroll, they were read the riot act and threatened with whatever the MLB can threaten an actual franchise with as punishment- and they’re finally trying to operate like a normal team with a healthy budget because they don’t actually want to be punished or forced to sell just because they’re being shamelessly cheap.

    I could see the A’s suddenly becoming a $130M to $150M a year budgeted ball club who field competitive offers to plenty of top tier free agents- granted, against their will, but ultimately doing whatever it takes to not be foreclosed on by the MLB.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      6 months ago

      The CBA spells out what they have to spend to continue to get revenue sharing. 150% of the amount recieved spent on MLB payroll.

      The past few years the A’s have recieved from 25% to 75% of the total revenue sharing because of their lack of spending. They had actually been dropped from revenue sharing but Fisher cried that he had no new stadium. This season that revenue sharing amount is estimated to be $105 million and they get 100% for the first time during this CBA.

      Their CBT payroll has to be in the $150 million range or the union is going to come after them and Fisher will lose that revenue sharing.

      I predict the A’s will take on as many upside down contracts in trades as they can because there are not that many players like Severino that will sign on to play on that team in that park.

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      • Fernando P

        6 months ago

        @Baseballisthebeat – Yankees will send two time MLB batting champ DJ LeMahieu. That’s 15M right there. LOL

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        • TrillionaireTeamOperator

          6 months ago

          Oof- as painful as its been to watch DJLM be forced to continue to play when he should clearly retire, I don’t wish banishment to the Quadruple A’s upon him.

          1
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        • Baseballisthebest

          6 months ago

          Since they don’t have a city, I’m going to go make jerseys in green and gold that have Quadruple as the city name. Where do I send your commission checks?

          Reply
    • Fever Pitch Guy

      6 months ago

      Trill – Good post, makes sense.

      And yeah, every time there’s a brand new stadium there’s a corresponding spike in attendance for at least a few years.

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  5. tikiagedola

    6 months ago

    I bet 100,000 on A’s finishing ahead of the stros this year in the division at good odds. BOOK IT

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    • Marqueef Grissom

      6 months ago

      they have a really good team when everyone is hitting. rooker and butler really became stars this year

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      • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

        6 months ago

        @tikiagedola,hold on there eager beaver! The As will be better next year but I wouldn’t bet your theoretical life savings quite yet.

        @Marqueef Grissom

        A+ screen name lol

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  6. rocky7

    6 months ago

    With the lineup they have Fried would have to be an idiot to sign with them regardless of what they offered…..

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    • Marqueef Grissom

      6 months ago

      3 guys with 25-40 hr potential…so dumb…

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    • tikiagedola

      6 months ago

      Why? Do you think players should care about winning more over money,location and other factors? lol

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    • NashvilleJeff

      6 months ago

      @rocky7: Fried was the Braves Player Union Rep. He made several comments over the last couple of years referencing the responsibility of players to raise the bar on salary. Find it hard to believe that he would have turned down more money from any team to play for a lesser salary. Not in keeping w/his very pro Union stance to do so.

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    • julyn82001

      6 months ago

      Wrong. Very Talented team. The sky is the limit with the A’s young core of players. One or two more good SP and that should be very competitive team to watch.

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      • Hammerin' Hank

        6 months ago

        Yeah exactly. Their lineup isn’t the problem. It’s their pitching that’s terrible.

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    • Not a clever name

      6 months ago

      You should Look at the A’s lineup again. I’m a Giants fan not an A’s fan but I made a good bit of money off the A’s in 2012 and a few other years when they had similar lineups. They are lacking pitching this year but if they can get the rotation figured out there will be quite a bit of cash to be made on them over this season.

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  7. Baseballisthebest

    6 months ago

    “We tried to spend money. We really did. Please don’t take revenue sharing away. I will starve” – John Fisher probably.

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  8. MatthewStairs

    6 months ago

    Found this on Twitter

    “A’s current 2025 payroll: $78.4m

    Max Fried AAV: $27.25m

    Combined: $105.65m

    Amount required to spend by the MLBPA to avoid a grievance: $105m”

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    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      6 months ago

      I think they got the message and they’re not going to be petty and go just up to that $105M line. They’re gonna blow past it- by their standards, that is- and try to get the MLBPA off their back completely.

      Could be a new era for the Athletics.

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      • MatthewStairs

        6 months ago

        I will always take the under on John Fisher spending more money.

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        • TrillionaireTeamOperator

          6 months ago

          I normally would, too, but this isn’t just like, social pressure. There’d be actual consequences and he probably still wants to own the team or not be legally financially shamed out of the business of baseball.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      6 months ago

      The amount to avoid losing revenue sharing is 150% of the revenue sharing received. This season that is estimated at $105 million.

      The Twitter post was on the right track, just 50% low.

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      • MatthewStairs

        6 months ago

        Its 150% of their revenue sharing number which is $70m so $105m total for payroll to avoid the grievance.

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        • Pads Fans

          6 months ago

          Matt, was just going to say that and saw your post.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          6 months ago

          Stairs, you are right. I misread it. Thanks for setting me straight.

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  9. Wagner>Cobb

    6 months ago

    The best way to raise payroll is to massively overpay like they did for Severino (I still like the deal) or trade for some contracts that teams are looking to dump. I don’t know if the following players have NTC’s and haven’t thought about whether they are an ideal fit with the current roster, but here’s a rough list of guys:
    – Montgomery
    – Stroman
    – Maeda
    – Benintendi
    – Story
    – Baez
    – Bryant

    They could also work extensions for Rooker, Miller, Langeliers, Bleday, Butler, and/or Jacob Wilson.

    They’re probably not going to be super competitive for premium FA’s until they are in Vegas.

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  10. Old York

    6 months ago

    That’s too bad. A’s staff would have looked nice going into the season.

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    • fjmendez

      6 months ago

      They still have time to go for a big free agent pitcher. There is still a possibility they can get manaea, but would need to overpay him obviously. I like the possibility of signing Lance Lynn for a 1 year deal. He was pretty solid last season.

      Reply
  11. SecondDoug

    6 months ago

    I don’t want to hear another word about how small-market teams can’t keep up. They pocket their profits and choose to field non-competitive teams.

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      6 months ago

      And then when one of them gets a rich owner who wants to spend like San Diego did a few years ago, they’re no longer “small market.” Small market is largely a choice made by ownership.

      Reply
  12. mad1

    6 months ago

    Fake news

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  13. Butter Biscuits

    6 months ago

    Lol yeah right

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    • fjmendez

      6 months ago

      It’s true, I started the group chat between Fried and the A’s front office.

      Reply
  14. BlueSkies_LA

    6 months ago

    Again this “overpay” business. By this definition every signing is an “overpay” because in every case one team was willing to pay more for the player than any other. Also by definition nobody really knows what a player is “worth” until someone signs him. That’s when the market has spoken. Before then, nobody can do better than guess.

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  15. aLifetimeOfDefeats

    6 months ago

    Not gonna lie, it would be pretty hilarious/infuriating if the A’s assembled an Avengers rotation of free agent pitching and won that trash division in a AAA park in Sacramento.

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    • bcjd

      6 months ago

      Love it. It would be a good story.

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  16. Blah blah blah

    6 months ago

    They’ve gone over $36MM before. Eric Chavez was signed for $66MM

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    • walls17

      6 months ago

      Probably meant free agent deals.

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  17. YankeesBleacherCreature

    6 months ago

    Henry and Co. needs to step it up when they’re getting outbid by the Rangers and possibly A’s for free agents.

    Reply
  18. wjf010

    6 months ago

    Tried…as in made a competitive offer, or tried…as in “was in the same room with his agent” at the winter meetings.

    Reply
  19. LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpert

    6 months ago

    I made an “effort” to get a date with Margot Robbie as much as the A’s made an “effort” to sign Max Fried

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  20. dasit

    6 months ago

    here for the inevitable “i made an effort to date rihanna” posts

    Reply
    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      6 months ago

      Nothing wrong with shooting your shot!

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  21. BranchLilDicky

    6 months ago

    You mean Fried didnt want the A’s 2 million they “offered” lol???

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  22. kellin

    6 months ago

    Bob Nightengale reports…

    A’s GM denies..

    which do you believe?

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    • Pads Fans

      6 months ago

      Forst. None of the rumors coming from Nightengale ever turn out to be true.

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      • kellin

        6 months ago

        That’s basically what I was implying.

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  23. Pads Fans

    6 months ago

    Less than 2 hours later the GM says, “Nah. Y’all were lying”. Another Nightengale BS rumor bites the dust.

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  24. YanksPhan42

    6 months ago

    If Montas can get a 2 year 34 million deal with a 4.84 ERA……Stroman’s deal at basically 2 years 36 million with a 4.34 is very tradable,

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    • Lalo says show me

      6 months ago

      Just because the Mets were stupid enough to give montas that deal doesn’t mean anyone else likes it. Nobody really wants Stroman and his constant complaining.

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      • YanksPhan42

        6 months ago

        You’ll be proven wrong there in the next few months.

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  25. sadosfan

    6 months ago

    Watch Yankees get fried Boston got crochet them blue jays will get burns and Os will get nothing.

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    • gorav114

      6 months ago

      It seems the AL East is making moves. Os did sign O’Neil and Sanchez but they really need another top end starter

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    • Baseballisthebest

      6 months ago

      O’s get Cease and Hoeing for Rogers, Bradish who just had Tommy John, Mayo, McDermott, and Hunt who was originally drafted by the Padres.

      Was going to say Nunez who is the #8 prospect in Orioles farm instead of McDermott but I guess the Padres already got him in Rule 5 draft.

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  26. Jackalopal

    6 months ago

    The energy of an mlb game in Sacramento is gonna be insane with that low capacity. I’d wanna play there for the vibes tbh.

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  27. Informed Sportsball Discussion

    6 months ago

    Entire article: This is the thing.

    Update: Nah, bro.

    Not picking on you folks, it’s just funny.

    Reply
    • kellin

      6 months ago

      Rumors site. Sometimes stuff happens, sometimes it doesn’t.. whats funny is that, as usual, Bob’s a fake news rumor mill.

      This is the same as the news about the Angels working on trading an outfielder, but then “nope, not really” (we all expect Ward to be traded at some point)

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  28. Baseballisthebest

    6 months ago

    As long as they repeat any rumors from Nightengale they are going to continue to have embarrassing moments when the FO of the team in question says that never happened.

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      6 months ago

      Yes, what the world needs now is more angry drivel.

      Reply
  29. gomer33

    6 months ago

    Stroman unlocked the option this year by topping 140 innings making him a bit harder to trade. According to Basball Reference anyway.

    Reply
  30. Rsox

    6 months ago

    Did anyone actually believe the A’s made a push for a player that will be making half of their payroll next season?

    Reply
  31. Niekro floater

    6 months ago

    Marlins bid 2 bits … so close.

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