Mark can you explain to me what Atkins and Shapiro doing to this Toronto organization , not making any changes in this off season , and I believe these guys have totally destroying this organization from top to bottom . ( Major league level all the way through minor leagues.
They knew they had moved to make this off season and as of today they have only signed players thest would not make major leagues, not signed Vlad or Bo and will lose them at end of season with their non moves.
Theo – I think the Jays biggest mistake was not pushing for extensions to Vlad & Bo right after the season. They can’t set a free agent budget until they know what their future commitments to Vlad & Bo will be, if any. And certainly they should have known waiting for Soto and others to sign would only inflate Vlad & Bo’s market price.
So yeah, Atkins and Shapiro really blew it with their offseason approach.
Tow – I’d say all of that except Alonso is pretty good odds. I think Arreaz if not traded is 1b though. Tirso is an outside chance if he hits in ST and Profar is signed for LF.
I had hoped for about 2 years of a Goldie 2025 but not to be.
If signing Cease to an extension is the issue, what about trading him for Mitch Keller?
Keller comes with a 5 year extension in place at a good age. Proven pitcher with more potential yet to be squeazed out of him by the Pirates dollar store staff. (Pads did pretty good getting Musgrave from them)
Cease and Skenes would corner the mustache market, and give the Pirates a (once in a lifetime?) pretty intruiging rotation for the season.
Glad would be too costly in a trade. I have to believe that with Preller not getting either of the 2 recent SP that he had been so strongly linked to in past, that he has DeVries and Salas as “untouchables” or he would have gotten 1 of those guys.
Unless some team offers crazy money, JP will surely return.
Yeah, Bog and Cro up the middle and Campy gets a shot at 100 games. Not horrible not elite but maybe DeVries and Salas in 2026. Have to live with a little stop gap for a position or 2 of you aren’t LAD or a NY team.
Someone in the chat sincerely asked “what would it take for Toronto to re-sign Vlad, Jr? 8 years/$225M?” And I just have to wonder:
1) where did they come up with that specific amount, because it’s such an odd AAV of like $28.125M per season and
2) was this person projecting an amount of money they’d personally consider too large to turn down or do they consider it an economical figure to keep the Blue Jays’ options open for financing the rest of their roster?
Because 8 years/$225M is insultingly low for Vlad, Jr. in years and dollars.
I’m not a fan of his and I don’t necessarily want my team signing him, but he just turned down $340M and I think he’s not gonna sign for less than 10 years/$400M and might get indent to like 14 years/$590M or so.
How did this person come up with 8 years/$225M in *any* context!?
Oh yeah, absolutely. His dad was in relatively good shape- relatively slim, lean, muscular athletic build and his power/athleticism basically disappeared overnight by the time he was 34, even though he did have one last bounce back season with decent overall numbers at 35 years old.
Vlad, Jr. is a lot less athletically built than his dad was and so it is reasonable to assume his ability to stay healthy and produce could falter at a younger age, so I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume he’s not worth any kind of major investment past about 32 years old…. which would be about a 6 year free agency commitment.
Tack on 2-3 years for that competitive tax of trying to land him against similar offers from the competition and I wouldn’t sign him to more than 8 years/$340M, which, I believe, is exactly what Toronto actually offered him recently and he turned them down.
Basically Toronto was realistic and generous and put forth a genuinely competitive offer for Vlad, Jr. and I think Vlad, Jr. was reasonable in expecting the market to eclipse that offer in years and dollars.
Someone desperate to land him will offer like 10 years/$430M or 14 years/$600M or something crazy, unfortunately.
Trill – This is why I didn’t even read the chat transcript. Mark is a very good writer, but his chat question selections leave much to be desired. IMO questions such as that one shouldn’t be selected, but are because they are easy to answer.
He rejected $340M but he is gonna accept $225M? Talk about a nonsensical question.
“Like, if Soto helps the Mets win one World Series during his tenure, that alone will be worth it in the eyes of many long-suffering Mets fans.”
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Mets fans are already assuming four or five championships over the next 15 years.
Mark can you explain to me what Atkins and Shapiro doing to this Toronto organization , not making any changes in this off season , and I believe these guys have totally destroying this organization from top to bottom . ( Major league level all the way through minor leagues.
They knew they had moved to make this off season and as of today they have only signed players thest would not make major leagues, not signed Vlad or Bo and will lose them at end of season with their non moves.
Theo – I think the Jays biggest mistake was not pushing for extensions to Vlad & Bo right after the season. They can’t set a free agent budget until they know what their future commitments to Vlad & Bo will be, if any. And certainly they should have known waiting for Soto and others to sign would only inflate Vlad & Bo’s market price.
So yeah, Atkins and Shapiro really blew it with their offseason approach.
Looking like an awful off season for the Padres.
Moves I’d love to see but will be blocked by the “financial constraints” narrative.
Sign Alonso for 1st
Re-sign Profar
Keep Arraez at DH
Sigh McCann as a back up
Keep Cease
Sasaki(luck of the draw) and Vazquez to round out the rotation.
Of course this isn’t “realistic” when you have a group not committed to spending and more bent on trading assets.
On the flipsde, the Padres developed Merrill.
Hoping the Padres find a hidden gem,starting pitching wise(Peavy was a 13th rounder, I believe) in their system.
Still, kudos to Preller working with what he’s got. He always surprises.
Tow – I’d say all of that except Alonso is pretty good odds. I think Arreaz if not traded is 1b though. Tirso is an outside chance if he hits in ST and Profar is signed for LF.
I had hoped for about 2 years of a Goldie 2025 but not to be.
So Cronenworth to 2b and Bogaerts to shortstop? Ok.
Who is McCann? James McCann for backup catcher? Also ok. But there are questions about Luis Campusano as a full time catcher.
If signing Cease to an extension is the issue, what about trading him for Mitch Keller?
Keller comes with a 5 year extension in place at a good age. Proven pitcher with more potential yet to be squeazed out of him by the Pirates dollar store staff. (Pads did pretty good getting Musgrave from them)
Cease and Skenes would corner the mustache market, and give the Pirates a (once in a lifetime?) pretty intruiging rotation for the season.
Don’t want to sign Alonso, then trade for Vlad Guerrero Jr. and sign Profar.
Lineup:
Arraez(DH)
Profar(LF)
Tatis(RF)
Machado(3B)
Guerrero(1B)
Cronenworth(2B)
Bogaerts(SS)
Merrill(CF)
Campusano(C)
Glad would be too costly in a trade. I have to believe that with Preller not getting either of the 2 recent SP that he had been so strongly linked to in past, that he has DeVries and Salas as “untouchables” or he would have gotten 1 of those guys.
Unless some team offers crazy money, JP will surely return.
Yeah, Bog and Cro up the middle and Campy gets a shot at 100 games. Not horrible not elite but maybe DeVries and Salas in 2026. Have to live with a little stop gap for a position or 2 of you aren’t LAD or a NY team.
Vlad is going to Boston.
It’s already been decided
“Please come to Boston for the Springtime. I’m staying here with friends and they’ve got lots of room.”
Good song, might not be where Vlad ends up though.
@Tow. What do you have against Merrill!!!??? Batting him 8th. Good chance he hits 3rd or 5th this year.
Someone in the chat sincerely asked “what would it take for Toronto to re-sign Vlad, Jr? 8 years/$225M?” And I just have to wonder:
1) where did they come up with that specific amount, because it’s such an odd AAV of like $28.125M per season and
2) was this person projecting an amount of money they’d personally consider too large to turn down or do they consider it an economical figure to keep the Blue Jays’ options open for financing the rest of their roster?
Because 8 years/$225M is insultingly low for Vlad, Jr. in years and dollars.
I’m not a fan of his and I don’t necessarily want my team signing him, but he just turned down $340M and I think he’s not gonna sign for less than 10 years/$400M and might get indent to like 14 years/$590M or so.
How did this person come up with 8 years/$225M in *any* context!?
He’s a fat first baseman. Players with his body type don’t age well.
Oh yeah, absolutely. His dad was in relatively good shape- relatively slim, lean, muscular athletic build and his power/athleticism basically disappeared overnight by the time he was 34, even though he did have one last bounce back season with decent overall numbers at 35 years old.
Vlad, Jr. is a lot less athletically built than his dad was and so it is reasonable to assume his ability to stay healthy and produce could falter at a younger age, so I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume he’s not worth any kind of major investment past about 32 years old…. which would be about a 6 year free agency commitment.
Tack on 2-3 years for that competitive tax of trying to land him against similar offers from the competition and I wouldn’t sign him to more than 8 years/$340M, which, I believe, is exactly what Toronto actually offered him recently and he turned them down.
Basically Toronto was realistic and generous and put forth a genuinely competitive offer for Vlad, Jr. and I think Vlad, Jr. was reasonable in expecting the market to eclipse that offer in years and dollars.
Someone desperate to land him will offer like 10 years/$430M or 14 years/$600M or something crazy, unfortunately.
It very much depends on his 2025 season. Two 6-win seasons but one of them was back in 2021.
If he repeats 2023 in 2025, is he going to eclipse 300m? Even 200m?
I can think of a lot of fat first basemen who had long careers.
Prince Fielder, Adam Dunn, Matt Stairs. Josh Naylor looks like he will stick around. David Ortiz was more of a DH, but also a 1b.
He isn’t even that fat, and there is evidence that being fat can be good for a hitter.
Trill – This is why I didn’t even read the chat transcript. Mark is a very good writer, but his chat question selections leave much to be desired. IMO questions such as that one shouldn’t be selected, but are because they are easy to answer.
He rejected $340M but he is gonna accept $225M? Talk about a nonsensical question.
What’s w all the Phillies questions bruh
Please fix the Guardians team page!!
Alonso to the Mets seems now a matter of when, not if, after the past few days.
“Like, if Soto helps the Mets win one World Series during his tenure, that alone will be worth it in the eyes of many long-suffering Mets fans.”
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Mets fans are already assuming four or five championships over the next 15 years.
Any chance the Brewers run out Sal Frelick at 3B??