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Orioles Backed Out Of Agreement With Jeff Hoffman After Flagged Physical

By Anthony Franco | January 10, 2025 at 8:23pm CDT

Jeff Hoffman signed a three-year, $33MM contract with the Blue Jays this evening. The righty nearly landed with a division rival. Robert Murray of FanSided reports that Hoffman and the Orioles had agreed to terms on a three-year, $40MM contract earlier this week. According to Murray, Baltimore pulled out of the deal after the physical revealed something related to his throwing shoulder that concerned the organization. Shi Davidi and Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet write that Baltimore continued to pursue Hoffman and made him a revised offer after backing out of the initial terms, but the All-Star reliever turned his attention elsewhere.

Teams have different standards for the injury risk that they’re willing to tolerate on prospective signings or trade acquisitions. The Orioles have a reputation for being particularly attentive to the physical. The O’s backed out of agreements with Grant Balfour and Tyler Colvin, respectively, in 2013 and ’14. They restructured their agreement with Yovani Gallardo during the 2015-16 offseason because of concerns about his shoulder. Those situations all predated the hiring of general manager Mike Elias and the franchise’s sale to owner David Rubenstein. This could certainly be coincidental.

Hoffman has not spent any time on the injured list over the last two years. He missed a good portion of the second half of 2022 because of a forearm issue. Hoffman did miss around two months in 2021 due to a shoulder impingement. He was sidelined between May 27 and July 21 that season. The injury did not require surgery.

Other teams have failed free agent physicals, of course. The most famous instance was when the Giants and Mets each pulled out of agreements with Carlos Correa because of concerns about his ankle during the 2021-22 offseason. The Yankees reportedly pulled out of a deadline trade to acquire Jack Flaherty from the Tigers last summer because of concerns about his back. That’s not a direct parallel, as the Yanks had issues with Flaherty’s medical records rather than conducting their own physical.

The Flaherty situation illustrates that different clubs’ medical departments could have diverging opinions on a player’s health. The Dodgers traded for the righty within hours of the Yankees deal falling through. (Flaherty stayed healthy for the stretch run with Los Angeles.) Hoffman’s physical wound up costing him $7MM in guaranteed money, though he can earn up to $6MM back via innings-based incentives. It’s not clear whether his agreement with Baltimore would have included any performance bonuses.

Baltimore quickly pivoted to their next bullpen target. The O’s agreed to a one-year, $10MM deal with righty Andrew Kittredge last night. He’ll join Yennier Cano, Seranthony Domínguez and Keegan Akin in front of closer Félix Bautista, who is returning from 2023 Tommy John surgery.

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  1. LordD99

    5 months ago

    Kill joys.

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    • letsgooakland123

      5 months ago

      Honestly I’d rather get Kittredge for 1/10 then Hoffman 3/40 if you’re a team with payroll constraints like Baltimore

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      • Ronk325

        5 months ago

        The Orioles owner bought a copy of the Magna Carta for fun. Why would they have payroll constraints?

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        • Jbigz12

          5 months ago

          Rubinstein bought the Magna Carta so it wouldn’t leave the U.S and has it loaned out to the National Archives in DC.

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        • hiflew

          5 months ago

          Because an owner’s personal wealth doesn’t really have anything to do with the payroll of a team. Billionaires do not become billionaires by recklessly giving away their money to their employees.. Teams spend REVENUE on their payroll. Owners can live with not making a huge profit off MLB teams, but they are not about to lose any personal money on them. That is not what successful businessmen do.

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        • letsgooakland123

          5 months ago

          Clearly they do still, I’m a long suffering A’s fan so I’m probably as upset as you about it. But everyone knows they neeed an ace and there were plenty available and they didn’t get one

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        • foppert3

          5 months ago

          There appears to be an exception, but yes, I think that’s how they roll. It would be how I would roll. My daughters would most certainly be making sure their inheritance wasn’t being adversely affected.

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        • Ronk325

          5 months ago

          The man is a 75 year old billionaire and lifelong Orioles fan. I can’t imagine he bought the team to just be another source of income. The Orioles need to start supplementing their roster while they still have their homegrown stars on affordable deals

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        • LordD99

          5 months ago

          Steve Cohen doesn’t agree.

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        • hiflew

          5 months ago

          Cohen is the exception, not the rule. And he is also new to the game. A few years down the road of losing money will make him change his tune. Either that or he will go broke. When you are talking about the kind of money associated with an MLB payroll, even $3 billion won’t last all that long.

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        • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

          5 months ago

          Having $3 billion means you can lose $100 million per year for 30 years before you’re broke…

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        • Bryc3 Harp3r

          5 months ago

          @hiflew what about $22 billion?

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        • JackStrawb

          5 months ago

          Nonsense, of course. Cohen is worth $20 billion—the richest owner, by far, in MLB.

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        • ROCKY07

          5 months ago

          He also is most probably banking on using the Mets and Citi Field as his home basis as an entertainment expansion into a Casino..hotels…and whatever he can convince the city to allow on Citi Field property…..he make $$$$millions off of that also….

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        • hiflew

          5 months ago

          I was using an example, I don’t need to know someone else’s net worth. The point was that even huge numbers can go away if you are subtracting from it.

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        • hiflew

          5 months ago

          And how much of that $22 billion is LIQUID? Having money on paper is not really having money. You only have that if someone is willing to pay you that price for what you have. Stock prices go up and down. Commodities go up and down. Trillions are gained and lost on a daily basis on Wall Street and elsewhere.

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        • hiflew

          5 months ago

          And are you just going to sit there for 30 years watching that $100 million go away each year? If so, I am going to give you a spoiler for your life…you will never be wealthy.

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        • 920falcon

          5 months ago

          Totally agree. The exception, sometimes, is when an owner is late in life and wants to see a championship before they pass.

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        • jopeness

          5 months ago

          @letsgo,
          atleast the MLBPA grievance sparked something, albeit that avenue ‘should’ve’ never needed to be used. Although not an ace, Sevie should bring some life and clubhouse positivity over there.

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        • jopeness

          5 months ago

          @fopp, remember to share that with them at the toy or clothing store next time, haha

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        • hiflew

          5 months ago

          @g20falcon. I would agree with that caveat. I think the Tigers previous owner did that before he passed . Didn’t work and set the franchise back years. Of course the bad luck with their #1 picks, and foolish spending on Javy Baez had a lot to do with it also.

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        • Lonniemac

          5 months ago

          Don’t be naive. The Orioles could run a much higher payroll than they currently are.

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        • JoeBrady

          5 months ago

          Having $3 billion means you can lose $100 million per year for 30 years before you’re broke…
          ============================
          I need to tell my wife that. I am going to keep spending our life savings to buy BB cards. I’m sure she’ll understand.

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        • Lonniemac

          5 months ago

          It amazes me how so many fans make excuses for their owners not spending more on payroll. These teams are raking in the money.

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        • JoeBrady

          5 months ago

          Both sides take in $5-6 billion every year. I don’t take sides in how they divvy up my money.

          But to expect someone to spend more than are taking in, is pure entitlement. No other business owner does that.

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        • foppert3

          5 months ago

          Ha ha. They are a bit old for the toy store and Dad doesn’t want anything to do with clothes stores. But it’s a valid come back when the inevitable cash flow issues arise ! Thanks. In their defence, tough times for financial independence rookies.

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        • foppert3

          5 months ago

          Ha ha. Gold.

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      • BadMojo

        5 months ago

        Honestly, you should never expect a World Series Championship for Baltimore, if you think they have payroll constraints. Time to be a Yankee fan.

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        • dm867

          5 months ago

          Never! I enjoy watching the Yankees lose almost as much as I enjoy watching the Os win.

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        • Jbigz12

          5 months ago

          To answer your question Cohen has billions of dollars in assets that are liquid. Being that his core his business is in the equity markets.

          Be different if he was a big RE guy. He can lose money on the Mets forever if he wants to.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      5 months ago

      Bird bath battle

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        5 months ago

        ROFL!!! Bird bath battle!

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    • letitbelowenstein

      5 months ago

      He got Balfoured.

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      • 920falcon

        5 months ago

        I thought the Angelos family sold the Orioles.

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  2. BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

    5 months ago

    Of course….f’n jays

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    • YourDreamGM

      5 months ago

      I thought it was interesting they got him for a reasonable price.

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      • KnicksFanCavsFan

        5 months ago

        maybe because he’s got health issues?

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      • MacGromit

        5 months ago

        Baltimore helping Rogers Communications save a few bucks. Peace offering to the Canadians before the tariffs tank their GDP. Orioles medical staff going to win the Roberto Clemente award next year for services to our northern neighbors.

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        • Blue Baron

          5 months ago

          What an amazingly dumb comment.

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        • Ashleyr

          5 months ago

          Just an FYI, but tariffs aren’t paid by the country exporting the goods. they are passed onto US citizens in higher prices. Economics 101, but it is remarkable how many suffer ignorance when it comes to tariffs. It is the US GNP that suffers, NOT Canada’s. Were YOU not watching 2017 – 2020 when the US economy crashed and six companies LEFT the nation for Europe, Mexico, and Canada. Probably not if you watched right-wing media. lol I’m sure you heard of Harley Davidson, Hallmark, Ford, Chrysler, Carrier, and Facelle. Del Monte closed their canneries due to aluminum tariffs imposed by Trump. oops. lol

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        • Blue Baron

          5 months ago

          It’s also remarkable how Trump has managed to win two presidential elections thanks to the support of low-information voters like MacGromit, who swallow every piece of BS they’re fed by Fox News, Newsmax, One America News et al and don’t concern themselves with facts.

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        • Seahawks19081

          5 months ago

          How did MLB discussion turn into politics? Can we please keep politics out of baseball, it’s one of the few joys I have in life.

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        • AssumesFactNotInEvidence

          5 months ago

          Pompous arrogant blowhard

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        • AssumesFactNotInEvidence

          5 months ago

          Arrogant pompous blowhard

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        • AssumesFactNotInEvidence

          5 months ago

          And a liar as well…

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        • AssumesFactNotInEvidence

          5 months ago

          Satire lost on the TDS addled

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        • bullred

          5 months ago

          Seahawks19081 – There are always a couple of douchebag comments on every Blue Jays article on MLBTR by some sleazebag idiot. Canadians don’t back down from any challenge.

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        • CGG12

          5 months ago

          It was actually 3, Baron.

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        • 920falcon

          5 months ago

          Amen, brother.

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        • 920falcon

          5 months ago

          Blue Jays fans are loyal fans.

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        • dm867

          5 months ago

          I just mute them if they have nothing to add baseball wise.

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        • JoeBrady

          5 months ago

          Blue Baron
          It’s also remarkable how Trump has managed to win two presidential elections thanks to the support of low-information voters
          ==========================
          LOL! Y’all lost because you ran the village idiot. We haven’t had a good president since Clinton, but the past four years we had someone with declining mental faculties, and you followed that up by selecting
          someone that was actually less-qualified than Trump? For all Trump’s mental issues, he occasionally stumbles across a good idea. Harris has problems talking in complete sentences.

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        • Jaysfansince92

          5 months ago

          It’s pretty obvious at this point who has TDS and it’s not the people against Trump. It’s the people who support him. They’ll believe anything he says, no matter how ridiculous.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      5 months ago

      Lol at MacGrommit thinking tariffs are going to tank Canada’s GDP. Any idiot who thinks American consumers aren’t going to foot the bill for all those tariffs deserves to be penniless.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        5 months ago

        I heard Greenland offered to build a stadium for the Rays

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      • Sid Bream Speed Demon

        5 months ago

        I mean, yes but when Americans buy an American equivalent instead the tariff has served its purpose.

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        • MuleorAstroMule

          5 months ago

          Industry doesn’t spring up overnight and American unemployment is already very low. Not to mention many of the products Trump plans to tariff, like steel and lumber, are needed to construct the infrastructure necessary to start new industries.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          5 months ago

          Lol Sid thinks ppl will just “buy American” – stupid. American costs substantially more, and does not exist in a vacuum – imports from our neighbors are needed for many products, and not everything has an American-made equivalent anyways. Oh and the cost to move manufacturing is high, so starting up American-made equivalents means high prices. Oh and unemployment is already very low.

          Some people will bend over backwards to show their stupidity in service to the Cheeto Fuhrer.

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      • JoeBrady

        5 months ago

        It’s not that linear.

        1-Manufacturers will absorb some of the tariffs just to keep their products on the shelf.

        2-Consumers will buy substitute products. If your eggs are $1, and ours are $1.10, they will buy our eggs if we 20% to the cost of your eggs.

        3-Assuming that the US consumer spends the same amount as last year, jobs will move to the US.

        4-Overseas manufacturers will be encouraged to relocate some manufacturing to the US. Honda has built 30M cars in the US in the past 40 years.

        I’d make the US/Canada a tariff and passport-free zone, but the downside of the tariffs isn’t what you think it is.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          5 months ago

          Yes, it is. There is a tolerance companies will bear, but the burden always eventually goes to the consumer. Learn history, Joe. Or just look at late 2019 when industries were at their breaking point on THAT round of stupid tariffs and only managed to not pass on massive price increases because covid tanked everything.

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  3. Elon’sDOGEbag

    5 months ago

    Ah, THAT’S how Toronto was able to finally sign someone! I thought there might be something..

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    • Stan "The Boy" Taylor

      5 months ago

      He had to flee the country.

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    • Best Screenname Ever

      5 months ago

      Toronto’s hit on a new market inefficiency. Guys who won’t be able to play.

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  4. Druuu

    5 months ago

    Would you rather have Correa or Adames with their current contracts?

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      5 months ago

      Correa has a higher-ceiling and the Twins have their first team option to show him the door before he turns 34. If he vests, he’s earned it.

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      • ReyDay

        5 months ago

        His option can vest with an LCS – MVP award. So theoretically he could be injured the whole regular season and still bank that money for the following year.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          5 months ago

          And it would be worth it for the Twins if Correa is a perennial catalyst for the Twins to reach the World Series. The World Series revenue would help more than pay his next year’s salary.

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        • ReyDay

          5 months ago

          That’s really not the point Yankees made the WS and are expected to have a lower payroll this year. Just cause you make the $ doesn’t mean teams spend it. Especially a smaller/mid market like Minnesota. Also means the Twins were good enough without him too. But again just theoretically speaking.

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      5 months ago

      Lindor!

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  5. C-Daddy

    5 months ago

    As a Jays fan this revelation is uh, not good.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      5 months ago

      They’ll probably stretch him out to start now.

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      • Joe Carters walkoff

        5 months ago

        It’s already been stated they want him to close

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        • horaceallen

          5 months ago

          You missed the sarcasm.

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    • Best Screenname Ever

      5 months ago

      Even I feel sorry for them.

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      • bestone

        5 months ago

        Yeah…but he gets free healthcare….

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        • Cat Mando

          5 months ago

          Not really.

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    • sorengo99

      5 months ago

      It’s actually no good, eh

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    • all in the suit that you wear

      5 months ago

      It’s not good, but a 3 year deal is not going to cripple them.

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      • Best Screenname Ever

        5 months ago

        When you finish last you’re looking for more in the offseason than ‘not going to cripple them’.

        Besides, are we even allowed to say ‘cripple them’ anymore? Don’t we have to say something like ‘differentially able them’? ‘A 3 year deal is not going to differentially able them’.

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    • explodet

      5 months ago

      or surprising…

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  6. orangeandblack

    5 months ago

    The dreaded Orioles physical strikes again

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  7. bluejays92

    5 months ago

    Oh now things make more sense.

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  8. Joey Ridenour

    5 months ago

    I’ll take that bet

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  9. User 3240017344

    5 months ago

    My man got Correa’d

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  10. Cat Mando

    5 months ago

    Makes me wonder if that is the reason the Phillies let him walk.

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  11. cooperhill

    5 months ago

    Good. His career ERA sucks.

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    • drprofsps

      5 months ago

      5 years in Colorado will do that to you.

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    • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

      5 months ago

      lol……as a starter sure…..in the last 2 years he just happens to be an elite reliever…..can’t wait for the orioles to get passed by the jays this year. …. Love that Baltimore is moving the fences back in to appease babies like Henderson, while hosting one of the worst pitching staffs in the league….its gonna be good

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      • O’sfan222

        5 months ago

        Glad we’re moving in left field for a left handed hitter like Gunnar lol you know nothing

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        • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

          5 months ago

          Anyone named Gunner……leaves me questioning their make up…..but you do you…..let’s have some fun this year as the O’s and Rays content for the biggest disappointment.

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        • OhthePossibilities

          5 months ago

          Well, his name is Gunnar, not Gunner. And that’s his given name, so regarding his make up, it should tell you that… you think too much about people using their given names.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          5 months ago

          BetterMoron

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        • lfcredsox

          5 months ago

          that sounds like a problem with you not them, anyone judging someone based solely on their name is an idiot

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        • danumd87 2

          5 months ago

          The Os look like they’re going to win 95 games with ease but ok

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      • drtymike0509

        5 months ago

        Mountcastle should benefit the most

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  12. Shamus99

    5 months ago

    Ah this old excuse again.

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    • C Yards Jeff

      5 months ago

      Not an old excuse.

      This intense passing the physical requirement, as the article references, was under the old Peter Angelos regime. His son takes over. In comes Elias. He gambles on bringing in injured players and gets burned one too many times. Not surprised here. Also, related to thus I believe is letting go their trainer this off season. Yes?!

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  13. Buckner

    5 months ago

    Don’t the Orioles have a (past) track record of doing this with free agents?

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    • DolphLundgren

      5 months ago

      Yes, and they were right. Passed on Grant Balfour back in ‘13 and he was released by Tampa two years later after getting dunked on.

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      • jdgoat

        5 months ago

        I think it’s worth pointing out that Balfour had no issues with the knee and wrist which is why they backed out of that offer. It could have impacted his performance, but the fact that he pitched poorly in Tampa doesn’t mean they were “right” in their diagnosis.

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    • Smith 3

      5 months ago

      Yes and they’ve been right too.

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    • yeasties

      5 months ago

      I think the organization still has PTSD from the Glenn Davis trade

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      • Ezpkns34

        5 months ago

        Big Baby?

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    • Gunnar? I Adley Know Her

      5 months ago

      Balfour…cut by the Rays after posting an ERA over 6.

      Tyler Colvin…never saw the majors again; played Indy ball.

      Angel Pagan…never played in the majors again.

      They haven’t been wrong. For Hoffman’s sake, I hope he proves the O’s wrong, especially with all of the hype he had when drafted.

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      • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

        5 months ago

        Gausman….?

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        • OhthePossibilities

          5 months ago

          Gausman was traded to ATL. He wasn’t a FA and it had nothing to do with medicals. You may want to consult a medical professional regarding the thickness of your skull.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          5 months ago

          Gausman wasn’t a physical issue, BetterMoron

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          5 months ago

          Can’t we all just get along?

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    • RedFraggle

      5 months ago

      Different ownership/front office

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      • MacGromit

        5 months ago

        @RedFraggle
        Don’t confuse them with facts. Facts don’t matter to the unreasonable.

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    • bullred

      5 months ago

      I think the fact that Baltimore still wanted to sign Hoffman shows that the injury is not as bad as people are making it out to be.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        5 months ago

        What part of “backed out” flew over your head?

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      • JoeBrady

        5 months ago

        Without knowing what BA subsequently offered, it is impossible to know how interested they were. Perhaps they offered Hoffman a on-year deal, and Hoffman already knew he had TO on the hook for $33M.

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  14. Lalo says show me

    5 months ago

    Always find it interesting we don’t really hear about a player until he signs, then we immediately get other news.
    How does the baltimore news come out so soon after the Toronto signing

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    • Jbigz12

      5 months ago

      Likely held due to respect for the player’s free agent process.

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      • Jizzrael

        5 months ago

        There would a union grievance if a team released that before the player signed. And that team would look like garbage to free agents. Just like how a player doesn’t talk about a teams disrespectful offer until months or years after they sign.

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        • outinleftfield

          5 months ago

          There wasn’t when 2 teams revealed they had passed on Correa for medical reasons.

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      • danumd87 2

        5 months ago

        Not just respect, it’s the CBA

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  15. tom brunanskys black sock

    5 months ago

    They’re not carnival personnel!

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  16. TheToasters

    5 months ago

    Every house gets inspected before it’s sold. Buyer beware.

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    • GB85

      5 months ago

      Not in the current real-estate market!

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  17. Smith 3

    5 months ago

    If the Orioles were willing to spend on him, and I’m glad they were, they need to keep going after a high leverage reliever. They can’t just not spend that money now(they can, but it would majorly suck), and their bullpen needs it.

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    • sonorawind

      5 months ago

      The Orioles need HITTING! The Orioles faded last year because they stopped HITTING! Victims of several freshman-sophomore-junior jinxes in the second half. Adley, Holliday, Westburg, Cowser had multiple months hitting .235 or FAR below. O’Neil will not replace Santander’s offense. Orioles need offense, ATP. Bautista, Kittredge, Seranthony, Cano, Soto and the occasional 6th starter out of the ‘pen, will have to do.

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      • sorengo99

        5 months ago

        You know they’re allowed to improve both, right?

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        • sonorawind

          5 months ago

          As it stands now, they’ve subtracted on offense from last year.. I don’t hold out much hope at getting much from Sanchez and Oneil doesnt replace Santander. Yankees pitching is better, Red Sox pitching is better, Tampa Bays pitching will be better..

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        • Jbigz12

          5 months ago

          Bullpen and offense will be the key. Bullpen could be the best in the division.

          O’Neill rakes against lefties. The hope is that Kjerstad will replace Santander against righties. TOR starter would round the team out but there’s a lot of time before July.

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      • King Floch

        5 months ago

        I would be pretty shocked if any further position players are added (some might even be subtracted, i.e. Mountcastle or Urias), which is fine because we have a pretty elite offense with even more upside yet to be tapped.

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        • sonorawind

          5 months ago

          That upside became downside for many of the Oriole hitters in the second half of the season. BTW, Oneil hit under ,200 for the last two months of the season, EVEN PLAYING IN FENWAY, the second easiest park to hit in, behind Coors Field.

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        • JoeBrady

          5 months ago

          That’s the effect of a very low BABIP. He had 9 HRs in 115 ABs with a 15/15 K/W. Those are good numbers.

          Reply
  18. NoSaint

    5 months ago

    So, it’ll be a 2 year 33M deal. Nope, not desperation, more like flailing.

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    • KingKen

      5 months ago

      Not necessarily. Shoulder issues aren’t as easily fixed as elbow issues. There’s no comparable surgery fix for shoulder injuries like TJ surgery for elbows.

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    • bullred

      5 months ago

      I think the fact that Baltimore still wanted to sign Hoffman shows that the injury is not as bad as people are making it out to be.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        5 months ago

        But they didn’t want to. They backed out. Duh.

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  19. Pads Fans

    5 months ago

    Orioles medical staff has been on the money with these concerns in the past.

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    • Pappagoose

      5 months ago

      Hoffman won’t make it 2 games into spring training

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      • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

        5 months ago

        Are you willing to take a wager on that?

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          5 months ago

          BetterMoron is a troll

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  20. rayw

    5 months ago

    Now take that 3/40 and lure Tanner Scott back into the fold.

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    • CGG12

      5 months ago

      Probably have to double both the years and the money for Scott. Not sure Baltimore will pay 6/80 for Scott. They seem to be keeping everything short term so they can keep the books free to extend their young core.

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    • Anthony maresca

      5 months ago

      More like 5/75 as a start point or as high as 5/90-100. Keep dreaming dude

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      • CGG12

        5 months ago

        You’re right. That’s actually way more realistic. But my 2nd point still stands

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      • Jbigz12

        5 months ago

        That’s insane money for Tanner Scott. O’s don’t need another lefty and Elias already dealt the guy away once.

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  21. just_thinkin

    5 months ago

    Loljays

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  22. Never Remember

    5 months ago

    I see the new owner is as much of an ahole as the last one.

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      5 months ago

      I’m not following. Illuminate us all.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      5 months ago

      What a stupid comment

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    • sorengo99

      5 months ago

      Found Jeff Hoffman’s burner

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  23. BaseballGuy1

    5 months ago

    Orioles deem him not worth the risk. Always criticize the organization that declined finalizing the deal based upon what the medical results are. Given the huge dollars any and all teams are paying MLB talent, it is a fundamentally sound business decision. MLB contracts are guaranteed and any team is on the hook with they sign a contract. Orioles will never forget the Nolan Reimold disaster.

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    • Thornton Mellon

      5 months ago

      Rearrange the letters in REIMOLD and it was I MORE DL

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    • bullred

      5 months ago

      Baltimore still wanted to sign him just at a reduced rate. Hoffman just told them to flock off.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        5 months ago

        Lol says Sportsnet. Is Ohtani on the plane?

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  24. CardsFan57

    5 months ago

    Ooff!

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  25. Salzilla

    5 months ago

    Fear not, Jays fans. The O’s do this to actually not spend as much, but say, “hey we were trying, but medicals!”

    Hoffman will be fine.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      5 months ago

      Stupid comment.

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      • Salzilla

        5 months ago

        All ya got, huh, pal?

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    • OhthePossibilities

      5 months ago

      Congrats on not realizing the Orioles are under new ownership and are operating with a different front office than ones who previously nixed deals due to physicals. That was in the article BTW, so congrats on being able to write without being able to read.

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      • Salzilla

        5 months ago

        Congratulations on assuming I didn’t read the article. Which I did, and of course I know full well about the O’s ownership, but who’s to say the philosophy didn’t carry through? What have the O’s done to change to perception? Congratulations on your gullibility I guess?

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          5 months ago

          O’s generally haven’t been wrong about medicals. But keep acting like a condescending pompous d0uch3.

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        • This one belongs to the Reds

          5 months ago

          Ownership change don’t change the front office philosophy or the medical procedures in that short order. Those are things developed over years.

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        • Salzilla

          5 months ago

          I was just having fun, you guys are ones attacking lol.

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        • Jbigz12

          5 months ago

          OP just trolled you guys. But to answer the question—O’s docs doing the medical reviews have not changed under Rubinstein. They’re medstar docs.

          Doctors have differing opinions at times obviously. Yankees nixed Flaherty at the deadline but the Dodgers thought he was Ok. We’ll see who was correct in time. Wouldn’t bet against our medical team though.

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    • outinleftfield

      5 months ago

      I can only remember 4 other times they did this, but each time the Orioles medical staff was right about the injury.

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    • JoeBrady

      5 months ago

      Hoffman will be fine.
      ======================
      Do you have any evidence to support that statement, or is it just ‘feelings’?

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  26. This one belongs to the Reds

    5 months ago

    Blue Jays ain’t afraid of no physicals!

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  27. Mlbfan78

    5 months ago

    The Orioles doctors are the most strict docs in MLB when it comes to physicals, however they usually are correct.
    All the players they flagged eventually went down to injury. I would be surprised if Hoffman lasts the 3 years without breaking down at one point.

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    • Samuel

      5 months ago

      Mlbfan78;

      How about MLBTR do some real investigations and show us how many bullpen pitchers signed multi-year contracts and pitched well most of the time.

      Injuries are normal with pitchers today, and bullpenners are the worst because they don’t have enough pitches to pitch multiple innings, so they depend on one or two pitches using speed and spin. That puts pressure on so many parts of the arm, shoulder, etc.

      The best bullpens today are those of small market teams the use youngsters with years of control, that are inexpensive so if they go down they’re replaced with other youngsters from the farm system.

      Large and many mid-market teams are the ones that take on salaries of relievers having a good year and playing out their option as the trade deadline is coming up, to replace their injured bullpenners. Note how many of those teams then let the guy go after the season. Heck, think the Padres had any intension of signing Tanner Scott after 2024 to a multi-year contract? If they’re in contention in 2025 they can always trade a few so-so prospects and take on a salary for a few months……and those bullpenners having good years often follow them with a few years of eh. Bullpenners have been the most volatile segment of a ML team for decades.

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    • jdgoat

      5 months ago

      Samuel;

      By my count there has been 17 top 50 free agent relievers that have signed multi year deals since 2020. Of those 17, 6 missed significant time with injuries (Hendriks, May, Treinen, Graveman, Melancon, Stephenson)

      7 others made it through their contracts without any major injuries, or will in 2025 with a healthy season, while guys like Tepera or Montero have been waived before the contract was complete without getting injured.

      It would be pretty surprising if players who signed long deals last year like Hader or Matsui don’t eventually miss time due to the length of their contracts.

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  28. scruffmcgruff

    5 months ago

    Honestly I just hope Hoffman goes out there and proves my O’s wrong. As noted in the article we’ve had our share of backing out of contracts based on physicals, justified in hindsight or not. But after the injuries we’ve had in the last year or two you really can’t blame them for being extra cautious.

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      5 months ago

      The kind of money teams have to throw around these days, I don’t blame anyone going over physicals with a fine tooth comb…or stethoscope. In fact, I would expect it.

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  29. jnorthey

    5 months ago

    I’m assuming the Jays did a physical as well, but didn’t see as big a problem as the O’s did. Guess we’ll see. As an older Jays fan I remember the nightmare David Wells for Mike SIrotka deal back in the 2000/2001 offseason. A 20 game winner for a guy who looked damn good at the time, but he never threw even a spring training pitch for the Jays. I figure he was the last straw for Gord Ash’s career as a GM. Guessing Ash was counting on the league overturning the trade if the guy was hurt, but they didn’t.

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    • bullred

      5 months ago

      As the article says, Baltimore still wanted to sign Hoffman.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        5 months ago

        Says Sportsnet. Real credible lol

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  30. outinleftfield

    5 months ago

    It seems like each of the 5 or 6 times that the Orioles have done this over the years, the player flopped when he signed elsewhere.

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  31. gorav114

    5 months ago

    The Os docs are never wrong

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  32. Ignorant Son-of-a-b

    5 months ago

    I don’t understand how the cap works in the NFL. So if Geno Smith has a 2025 salary of 25 mill why is the “cap hit” something like 43 million?? So confusing

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    • CGG12

      5 months ago

      Salary: The actual money a player earns in a given year.

      Cap Hit: The average annual value of a player’s contract that counts against the team’s salary cap, including prorated signing bonuses.

      Example:
      A player might have a $10 million annual salary, but if they have a large signing bonus spread out over 5 years, their “cap hit” each year might only be $8 million.

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      • outinleftfield

        5 months ago

        There is no salary cap in MLB. There is a competitive balance tax threshold above which teams pay a tax on payroll higher than that. Teams can spend as much as they would like to spend.

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        • CGG12

          5 months ago

          The guy I was responding to was asking about the NFL. I’m fully aware of all that

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  33. bravesfan

    5 months ago

    Originally when I saw the deal he signed, I was mad the Braves didn’t get it. But now knowing the Orioles backed out cause of some physical concerns, I’m cool with this. And I really wanted him to give starting a try again with the Braves and fall back into the bullpen if that didn’t work

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  34. ctbronx7

    5 months ago

    Does anyone find it fishy that Hoffman’s 2024 club, Philadelphia, didn’t make much of an effort to retain him?

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    • Best Screenname Ever

      5 months ago

      Telling rather than fishy.

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    • User 4014041831

      5 months ago

      I wonder if part of the decision not to bring back the player is injury concerns but also possibly regrets over a poor postseason results where maybe they think the player has trouble with the extra pressure

      I thought NYM kind of punished Chris Bassitt when his results were underwhelming in the playoffs and he eventually signed with TOR. They didn’t want to bring him back at any price. Shades of a George Steinbrenner type decision

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    • JoeBrady

      5 months ago

      If it was just Philly, I’d assume it was because they don’t want to break the $300M barrier. Now that it is a second team, then I’d be more suspicious.

      Reply
  35. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    5 months ago

    I completely read part of the article wrong. I read it as the O’s backed from the Hoffman deal with Grant Balfour and Tyler Colvin. Thinking those two were part of the O’s front office.

    I remember very vividly Tyler Colvin getting stabbed by a broken batoff while he was running from 3rd to home. It punctured his lung. It was off the bat of Wellington Castillo. Who ironically played for the O’s during his career.

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  36. Mlbfan78

    5 months ago

    I remember back when Xavier Hernandez signed with the Orioles and the doctors flagged him and they passed on signing him.
    He signed a deal with Houston instead and never made it out of spring training and that was it for him.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      5 months ago

      Since failed physicals are rare, it’ll be interesting to see that list of players by team and how their careers went.

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  37. Bluejaysjunkie

    5 months ago

    Kirby Yates 2.0

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  38. Rsox

    5 months ago

    Interestingly the two deals they backed out of yielded decidedly different results; in 2013 Balfour had an All Star season with Oakland, however, in 2014 Colvin would play his last 57 largely unproductive MLB games with Giants (though not due to injuries). Time will tell if the Orioles made the right choice or not on Hoffman

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    • seriouslysteve

      5 months ago

      That’s not even true, the O’s backed out of the deal in December of 2013. We tried to sign him after he had that amazing 2013 season. It seems like when we are worried about medicals, we are right. He was horrible after we backed out of that contract

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      • Rsox

        5 months ago

        My mistake as the wording of the article made me think it was prior to the 2013 season, not after

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  39. pogo

    5 months ago

    This feels like a HIPAA violation

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    • Rsox

      5 months ago

      Not technically, as long as they don’t necessarily reveal what they think is the problem is. Sometimes it becomes public like with the Giants and Mets both backing out of deals with Carlos Correa over concerns about his ankle, and sometimes it’s left vague like the Yankees pulling out of a trade for Flaherty after concerns over his pre-trade physical

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  40. pjmcnu

    5 months ago

    The O’s used to do this a lot, but with an important difference. They’d agree to a market contract, but then flunk the player on the physical. Next, they’d tell anyone who’d listen about how badly the player failed their physical. Finally, after the player’s market was completely destroyed, they’d come back & try to sign the guy for pennies on the dollar. Worked a few times over a couple of years, but then players/agents caught on & the O’s stopped getting FA’s with any other option. Seem to be handling it a little better this time.

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